/vr/ - Retro Games

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>>10073005
What in the world is this monstrosity

>>10073006
This one just makes me sad. The tiny sticks on the re-design are fucked.

>>10072990
Want to play a game made specifically for this controller.

Made for Monster hunter in the mid 00s

https://prod.danawa.com/info/?pcode=695602&keyword=G-box+Smart+Dual+Controller&cate=11238050#bookmark_product_information

>>10073128
It had triple shoulders and lots of extra buttons..

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>>10073082
It might not be that bad, I'd at least give it a go. I saw some people testing it. They said it wasn't bad.

>>10073143
This version was a chonky boi.

>>10073158
Arguably one of the early versions would've leant itself well as a bigger screen holster.

>this thread

>>10073186
Lol

dreamcast astropad

prototypes

>>10073225

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>>10073234

Microsoft Sidewinder Dual Strike

retro advertisement for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShp4F4cUDE

>>10073273
Siblings?

orbs

>>10073391

>>10073392

>>10073393

The dual shock was a downgrade.

>>10073086
It looks like it's made with Mechwarrior 2/3 in mind.

>>10073393
Was this controller designed for women? Loos like one of those microphone vibrators

>>10073452
I think it's mainly for vessels which use a celestial sphere to navigate. Like space ships, submarines, airplanes, See the axis here >>10073392 and how they correlate to this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Azimuth-Altitude_schematic.svg

>>10073475
Submarines use the F310

>>10073225
>If only

This should be the standard layout, that's what we all wanted back in the mid 90's when fighting games were at it's hype.
Four buttons, four triggers and handles is the gayest layout ever.

>>10073385
yeah, i believe it is. microsoft had a line of boomerang 'sidewinder' controllers, perfect for chucking at your annoying siblings.

i never knew it but those controllers apparently could use motion sensing/tilting like wii controllers. surprisingly advanced for the time.

>>10073225
This is perfection, maybe just needs handles.

>>10073393
IS NAHT A TUMMAH

>>10074095
They loved the melted dpad gimmick, even the original XBOX controller had it.

>>10074095
Fuck I owned one of those and used for like 10 years and I didn't know they had motion sensors.

>>10074107
I never really liked it and was glad they later invented this thing, but unfortunately never used it again.
(For the sake of the board rules: I use it to play old games as a PC gamepad in emulators, no relation to its original console)

>>10072987

Smol

>>10072987
I only want a x360 with 6 face buttons but why something good will happen in this gay existence

>>10074747
>everyone online hails this as the ultimate third party N64 controller and the only one with a perfect analog stick
>it's just the same cheap off-the-shelf analog stick every other controller uses
>they didn't even bother to take away the button, just didn't wire it up, so unlike even the cheapest shittiest N64 controllers the stick clicks
It's a decent controller but far from my personal favourite. There really is nothing special about it.

>>10072990
>d-pad is still nintendo cross cancer with no diagonals
so close...

>>10073128
pretty sure the ideal monster hunter controller would have a stick on the shoulder

site is sovl too
http://www.vsavoldi.com/fpweb/portfolio/toc.html
http://www.vsavoldi.com/fpweb/info/gamers.htm

>>10073128
my ideal monhun controller?

>>10074832
Interdasting, I guess then the clones of the Hori aren't that much better. I've always been curious about those cheap clones of the official N64 controller but without the logo branding.

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>>10073385
How good are these for FPS'? People always say m+kb is the only way to play. Most controllers are admittedly a bit shit for FPS but what about these?

>>10073514
>Help me Niggerman, I'm imploding!

>>10072987
Larger D-pad and Larger Thumbstick, with a swaped D-pad variant. Both with an extra face button brining to total up to 5 and 2 Z shoulder buttons.

>>10073475
I wonder if despite the button input limitations of xinput, some of the extra axis inputs can be repurposed for extra buttons.

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>>10073135
I count 31 button inputs. Pretty useful and still room for buttons on the back.

>>10075171
wtf

>>10073234
>The Sony Nipurrh innovation for h-games

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>>10075354
Someone gave me one of these and half the buttons weren't working. Used it on PC anyway. It was like a mexico kidnapping victim where you only had just enough organs left to live

My brother found this controller for really cheap somewhere (pic not mine). It seems like they went and put every single input that windows could support back then. I don't have an old PC to see if it works though.

>>10074848
>Plug in your joystick for lethal two-fisted control!

>>10075398
It even has analog triggers and back paddles.

>>10075284

>>10074848
3D seems similar to this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fOMxhuwzG0

>>10074848
>site hasn't been updated since '04.

I wonder who gets the email?

>>10072993
This is certainly interesting. Where can I buy it? I really just want a modern controller with 6 face buttons and four triggers.

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>>10072987
Just got this thing for pc emulation and lazy couch surfing. Finnin to find out if its good or not.

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>>10075702
It's alright. Best thing you can say about it is that it does everything in one. The touchpad is bad at tap clicking so use the mouse buttons. One thing I don't like is that the RK707 doesn't have a storage compartment for the USB dongle like their mini keyboards. So I ended up taping a USB cap on top of the controller

>>10075651
The iBUFFALO USB Game Pad BSGP1601BK is tough to find but I heard it used to be cheap at $18. Now
https://product.rakuten.co.jp/product/-/987b37b78bf6ef808be3932e0587d5a3/

https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B09NMYHSXT?tag=emulogamz-22&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US&currency=GBP

https://www.askul.co.jp/p/X240920/

https://product.rakuten.co.jp/product/-/987b37b78bf6ef808be3932e0587d5a3/

>>10072990
Holy shid, I found it.

https://product.rakuten.co.jp/product/-/067043341ec2c99cccc80f39a1b8b3b7/?rtg=1904f4f9f46d1b87cc272f4fd12e538c&l2-id=pdt_recommend_othuser

>>10072990
This made by Elecom too was less to get.
https://www.elecom.co.jp.e.gj.hp.transer.com/products/JC-MHF01BK.html

>>10075919
What’re you gonna do with all those buttons, anon?

>>10072990
Looks like a controller made by AI based on a description from a clueless grandparent.

>>10073143
Really sucks they're using overstock of shitty Switch analog sticks.

>>10075969
I got this one. Its pretty comfy, feels solid.

>>10075981
Dunno, might just bask in their power.

Or map them to macros..

Can't forget the Negcon as well for being one of the best controllers nobody used.

Plastic crap goes in >>>/toy/

>>10074762
This. This is what i want.

>>10075287
>5-pointed satan star

>>10073143
This actually looks not so bad. If you made the controller a bit bigger and added larger sticks, it might feel like a six button dualshock with a superior d-pad

>>10073000
Looks like an RC plane controller or something

>Time for a few rounds of Smash
>Here's your controller bro

>>10075428
holy kek drawfag BTFO

>>10076263
Pretty accurate. I wonder if they saw it and changed their graphic to look less like it or only had a text description to go off of.

>>10076734
I still stand by that design as good for having the most inputs on a peripheral- While retaining ergonomic and index-able sets of controls.
It could still be the future as far as I'm concerned.
Perhaps it could likely be improved. I feel though, I tried to make sure that mainstream most used controls were minimally obstructed.

>>10072987
There's this PS2 game called Rez which included a controller called the Trance Vibrator. There was a famous article about it https://www.gamegirladvance.com/2002/10/sex-in-games-rezvibrator.html and a funny commercial for it https://youtu.be/n5qscOsp7Ko

>>10078614
>Winner..

>>10074095
>throw controller at brother
>it comes back and smacks you in the face

>>10075262
idk for sure, the sidewinder dual strike must be pretty bad ass according to that video.

i really want to try one now, may end up getting one just for shits and giggles. i'm sure there's a reason it didn't catch on though.

i watched a few review vids of it and some people seemed pleasantly surprised with it.

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>>10072990
Sir, this is a controller thread, not a keyboard thread.

>>10080291
kek'd

>>10076707
>what are pentacles

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>>10075284
Pic for reference..

>>10080345
It does seem a little track ball like in movement.

>>10076707
'Z' is the last letter, the end.
An earlier version had omega as the Z position. It's also why it was themed in other alternative controller sets with six buttons in black. The yellow upside-down star just fit artistically. Plus, Six66 face buttons is an inescapable theme. ;)

>>10075287
>Cross, Square, Circle, Triangle, Love, Satan...

uh, well. Those two last ones are said to do the most harm to a man..

Am I the only person who really really likes the 'cuda?

>>10082939
I used to know a guy who loved that controller and used it to finish many very long JRPGs and JTRPGS. He was 6'2" and had big hands, claimed it was the most comfortable for him.

>>10073519
Six buttons is inferior for fighting games unless you also have the two shoulder buttons to work with. You need to be able to press multiple buttons in sequence with multiple fingers.

>>10072993
finally something to let me play oot and mm on a computer

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>>10083467
Looks kind of familiar..

>>10083586
i made this :)
There was a blue/black one too.

>>10083594
If only it were real. The blue+ black, were they worse looking that the white?

>>10074747
I have 4 of the Hori Mini Pads. They came in a lot of 28 assorted 3rd Party N64 controllers I bought on eBay for $130. The Hori Mini Pads are pretty nice.

But I also got 2 Hori Commanders (pic related) in the lot and they're really nice too. The stick is identical to the 1st party controllers.

>>10074832
>it's just the same cheap off-the-shelf analog stick every other controller uses
>they didn't even bother to take away the button, just didn't wire it up, so unlike even the cheapest shittiest N64 controllers the stick clicks
>It's a decent controller but far from my personal favourite. There really is nothing special about it.
Are you confused? The HORI Pad Mini is not the same controller that you're thinking of. You bought a knock-off if the stick clicks.

>>10073217
Friend had one of these, used to call it "the chode"

>>10083586
Why is it so impossible to find a controller like this? Just a standard Xbox controller with 6 face buttons instead of 4 without removing any other buttons. If it's because Xinput is getting in the way then just clone LB and RB for your additional two face buttons, no retro system ever had 6 face buttons AND four shoulder buttons anyway. Every one I have found with six face buttons tends to either remove other buttons, not have analog triggers, or even remove analog sticks.

>>10075354
Having the L2/R2 below the normal position made for a very comfy grip (if you had baby hands for this particular controller).

>>10083609
How would this even work?

In order to have that flip-up top there would be almost no depth to the buttons or d-pad, so they would feel horrible to use. Where does the wire connecting them even go? The only place I can see that would work out on something like that is from the back connector, which would also be flimsy as that's the only thing keeping the now wobbly piece of plastic that is all of the controller buttons in place.

The keyboard would also be a trainwreck to use. The left-side of it being carved into a curve like that to make room for what I assume is a mouse-like touchpad would make typing on it annoying, but nowhere near as annoying as how much the analog sticks would get in the way of your thumbs for nearly any place you want to put them on the keyboard.

Not to mention why would you need a keyboard built into the controller that badly? And with this design, you can't easily swap back to the standard controller if something suddenly happens in the game and you need to control your character again.

And to top it all off, every one of these issues was already solved over 15 years ago when they made an accessory that is a tiny keyboard that slots onto the BOTTOM of the controller instead of the middle/top, and I am not even sure if that's the first example of such a thing or if it even happened years earlier.

>>10085018
Yeah, fuck Bill Gates. Microcock's monopoly is aids to our innovative peripheral design.

>>10086112
Yeah, whoever made this (I assume years ago) must have been fairly autistic, and eager for Daddy Sony to see their "masterpiece".
I posted it because it was funny. But also because it reminded me of idealistic youngster me trying to "change the world". One drawing at a time, thinking. "One good design is all it would take to make my mark!" How naïve I was. Sometimes I miss optimist me, but he doesn't pay the bills.

>>10083628
A shame that the drawing looks like it has more soul than the end product. It goes from, sleek, steel- space ship into a compromised weaker look.

Probably the best PC gamepad i've used in the 2000s. The shape is bulky yet comfortable, it's pretty sturdy, and unlike most third party controllers i used at that point, the sticks weren't so sensitive you might as well be an 8-way arcade joystick

>>10075262
Keep in mind that if you get a Microsoft Sidewinder controller, some special features such as the analog/digital switch on the Sidewinder Gamepad Pro will not work on modern windows, since these were tied to the drivers.

Probably the best poorfag PC gamepad i've used in the 2000's.

>>10075262
Keep in mind that if you get a Microsoft Sidewinder controller, some special features such as the macro button or the digital/analog switch on the Sidewinder Gamepad Pro won't work on modern windows due to these features being tied to the drivers.

>>10086406
Yeah I had two of those. Many memories of ZSNES and Gens played through those.
Why'd you delete your review though?

>>10086420
a typo
But yeah, as i mentioned, they're sturdy and it felt really nice how the sticks were so precise when most other PC gamepads i used before had sticks so sensitive you might as well be playing with an 8-way arcade joystick

>>10083609
>were they worse looking that the white
Less iconic, but I prefered it.

>>10086539
Nice.

>>10073514
Need the stick extensions.
I'm not sure why, but they are obviously very important.

>>10074095
fun fact, these still work even today on modern pc's with win11, even the motion controls, although its acts as direct input controller, and the motion part is just "analog stick" mapped to the motion sensor, it kinda works but its just gimmick and without the sidewinder win95 software and drivers you'll lose a lot of functionality, same thing with this one >>10073273 but you really need the sidewinder stuff to make it usable.

Also the freestyle has worst d-pad ever, even worse than x360, internally you have to press both contact points to move up/down/left/right, just pressing one moves diagonally, and because the d-pad is rotated 45degrees(so its "X" and not "+" if that makes any sense), and how its over designed, you'll just end up with a lot of accidental inputs and trying to run straight in tomb raider for example is nearly impossible so it makes precision platforming impossible, I cant even go through the training course in TR2 because how shitty it is.

>>10087084
Only the USB versions, I have the old gameport version and I can't even get it to work on WinXP on an old computer.

>>10074095
I love the original sidewinder (pictured right). It was super comfy. and the D-pad was 16-way if the games supported it. I still use it for 2D games. Better than the Saturn controller IMHO. I also had the Sidewinder mouse and keyboard, and force feedback pro joystick, and the racing wheel. This was all quality stuff, but these days people only talk about the goofy ones.

Thrustmaster Mini-T Turbo

Had ps2 and usb connection. extra powerful rumble. just worked on ps1, ps2, pc, and even ps3. in addition to turbo, it could remap any buttons or analog axes. This was handy for certain games, like for getting normal dual analog control in agent under fire. even the d-pad was ok. I loved this pad but I don't know why they made it a fucking MINI and not normal sized. It's not very comfortable for me as an adult.

>>10087896
(at least some of) the microsofts controllers with gameports are not standard gameport controllers(as they came out around the time before USB become common), and thus requires the sidewinder drivers+software to function, the gameport to usb adapter that came with some of the ms's controllers is just weird passthrough adapter that only works with ms's controllers and if you plug them into modern computers the windows recognizes them as usb direct input controller, at least with the freestyle one.

>>10087931
>16 way dpad
What games, pray tell, supported it? Could MAME use it?

>>10089269
probably could. it's just a directinput controller. you can see the inputs in joy.cpl. i don't know of any comprehensive list of games.

>>10074762
It really pisses me off that after all the years of delays we're getting a tinystick Saturn controller instead of your pic which is what people were really waiting for. People will say it's "not that bad" or "not as bad as it looks" but we shouldn't have to settle for that.

>>10072987
Instead of a traditional dpad, the Gravis Eliminator actually has an analog stick. it feels very floaty and I have not played a game where it feels really good.

>>10089614
The Gravis Gamepad Pro is garbage.

>>10087084
I actually found a forum post from someone saying they modified the dual strike software so that it works on modern PC's interestingly: https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=91087

guy says it works well with some of his games like 'Sublevel Zero Redux' and 'Duke Nukem 3D'.

I don't know anything about the site though, so I haven't checked out the file or anything to see if it's safe/legit.

>>10089614
>>10089617
Maybe they should've done the opposite and made a dpad that can replicate analogue movement.
I can think of a few ways that could be done.

>>10089664
https://youtu.be/Go3a9fF5-z4
touch based dpad sounds horrific..

>>10073396
I owned something like this. Was almost impossible to play CS or Quake 3 on.

Not going to try and act like this is a great controller but i've had it since the late 90s but I got got a lot of hours on it and it just feels right in my hand. Wish it had a better D pad though

A great future that was not meant to be.
Thanks Microsoft.

>>10090618
that wingman middle row 2nd from the left was solid.

also that dual stick saturn controller looks so good, i wonder if those sticks feel too low though.

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>>10083581
these are just plain fugly

>>10073225
this one looks ok buttons aren't poorly placed.

>>10090618
N64 6x button layout is perfection, you get the action and cancel buttons plus the diamond layout.

>>10073143
>Switch sticks
God, I am so fucking tired of seeing this shit on everything.

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>>10084078
I have the chink controller from your picture.
Its actually better than the hori mini, the analog stick is more precise and barely has any deadzone.
Its not perfect, but better than the shit hori mini.
Fucking hilarious.

>>10075171
Classic. Based Gunstation poster.

>>10075228
isn't this thing poisonous due to being filled with mercury or something?

>>10092969
The switches it uses to detect motion sensing are mercury switches, yes. While not automatically toxic, if they break or leak they can be.

>>10089664
There's been a few attempts at an analog dpad, none of them good.
Microsoft made the Sidewinder Game Pad Pro. Sony included an analog dpad on DualShock 2 and 3.

>>10084078
You're wrong, motherfucker!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=warX5r-51J0

>>10092969
Yes. and that's why it's BASED

>>10073000
>Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

>>10075428
LOL

>>10075171
I don't mean to pry, but you don't by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand?

>>10092969
Only if you break it open and stick Le Stick in any of you orifices.

>>10075228
>reddit's favorite sex toy.jpg

>>10094657
ROITE IN THE MUCUS MEMBRANES.

>>10092932

>>10094269
I was thinking locking hidden analogue with full dpad board on top. Or maybe concentric dpad buttons in three circles, maybe some kind of normal dpad on top with a curved underside for physical pressure difference. Or failing that, a measure of distance/ speed of direction input from the centre.

If there was a great, usable dpad stick can you imagine replacement? Would this change things significantly? And what bonus controls would you like to see in it's (dpad or sticks) place?

>>10095040

https://www.hackster.io/news/alpakka-is-an-open-source-gamepad-based-on-the-raspberry-pi-pico-05380c38181d

https://youtu.be/yYwrVL2b9eM

https://youtu.be/kerK52IRGjs
https://youtu.be/4sJAD3TuJzk
https://youtu.be/J68mJ6E-lTE

>>10074926
The psp was hella comfy for 2D fighters. I'll die on this hill

>>10095048
>9 minute video
>doesn't demo the thing
No wonder, I can practically hear the picture.

>>10073245
Here's an alleged mockup of the Gamecube controller circa 1999/early-2000. it's an abomination

>>10072987
Anyone own this controller? Is it any good?

>>10073234
Oh I haven't seen that one, kinda sick actually. Wonder what that weird stick would feel like.

>>10073514
I need to rant about the Logitech F310 and F710. They are so fucking close to being good controllers. WONDERFUL D-Pad with a fatal flaw, fantastic face buttons, best Start+Select buttons, mostly nice grip. But the flaws...

D-Pad can be pressed all the way in because it has no pivot. It doesn't affect since I'm always pressing the edges of the D-Pad, but for most people this kills the controller, which is understandable. :(

The fucking triggers ruin everything. Stiff springy pieces of shit that make holding the controller comfortably impossible due to their upwards slope. Needs to be reverted back to flat buttons like the old Logi controllers before them, which were nice to hold.

The shoulder bumpers are sub-par. They feel fragile and they ARE fragile. You need to press harder than the actual click to actuate them, and if you drop the controller they're goners.

The analog sticks are way too stiff, desperately need less tension. Also, F310s/F710s manufactured before a certain year (2012?) have no analog deadzone, but later-manufactured ones have a GIANT built-in deadzone that can't be removed and I fucking hate it.

Okay I'm done spergposting.

>>10095037
>send money to Israel

>193 replies
>No mention of Steel Battalion
anons, I expected better.
>>10081109
My beloved.

>>10096321
obligatory

>>10096070
Very cool. This paints a finer picture of the evolution from prototype to final.
I'm really curious how that right stick would feel to use in that position. Never really seen something like that.

>>10096321

Anyone tried one of these?

https://www.hackster.io/news/teensy-adapter-lets-you-use-your-steel-battalion-controller-on-a-pc-e09b97b55400

>>10096520
I haven't, but I have had the thought quite a few times. I'd like to show up to CEO or EVO with one and just shitpost in bracket.

>>10078556
What do you mean by "local priest"?

>>10072990
Shocked nobody's mentioned how one of humanity's first attempts to design a universal controller was just a vibrator bop it

>>10073217
i got this exact one sitting on my counter, soul.

>>10098241
Hell yeah! It's a really comfy controller to use, snagged mine off Mercari for pretty cheap. Mine's solid red though, wish I had that see through blue.

>>10095048
that seems super uncomfortable

imagine the gunk that will build up on the texture of the print

>>10099757
I think the video suggested that the buttons/ inputs and the textures would be fully customisable. Far more interesting designs could be made using the techniques they suggest.

>>10096364
>A WEAPON TO SURPASS THE METAL GEAR
>>10095071
The concept is good but seems unwieldy. It surely can be shrunk down?

>>10101118
Nta, it's only a prototype tho, at the end he says he's not an engineer and he's looking for people to help him continue working on it

>>10074832
Retard

prphv

This was my favorite Playstation controller. I used this unless I needed analog control. Simply a better version of the originals, especially the d-pad. There was also another version that had the same d-pad, but shaped like the sony controller. Later there was a version with analog but I couldn't get one. ASCII also made several other interesting controllers of decent build quality like a one-hander, a 6-button fight pad, beatmania, and arcade sticks. Also some very strange ones like the resident evil pad and the gamecube keyboard controller.

>>10101110
I suppose you could use a resin printer to make a better smooth shell for it

>>10074747
Honestly makes me want to cut my fucking tits off just slice them off

>>10094662

>>10102882
I understand turbo, but what games make use of the auto function?

>>10104371
Turbo could be rhythmic pulses or when pressed. Full auto could be on constantly. Like turbo sometimes on the pause button being used for slow. It varies for different controllers obviously.

I wish they'd make a new version of this.
It was almost perfect

>>10101493
see >>10094319