/vr/ - Retro Games

Terranigma shits on all of those

>>10060413
Is really comparable to games trying to emulate LttP? And what about Soul Blazer, how does it compare to Terraengima? I've read it's nice because enemies stay dead so you can always progress a bit when you boot it up

>>10060409
Is Landstalker good enough to be on this list? And how is Equinox (pictured)? Equinox and Landstalker seem like interesting predecessors at least.

Landstalker was pretty popular with Sega fags back then.

Also, Light Crusader kinda sorta.

>>10060436
>>10060438

I always hear people bring up Landstalker a lot, but I never hear anyone ever talk about the sequel, Time Stalkers. Was the sequel just not good or played too differently or something? The only reason I even found out Landstalker existed was due to randomly grabbing what Dreamcast games I could off of usenet and FTPs without even knowing what a lot of them was and running into Time Stalkers that way, then finding out it's supposed to be a sequel.

>>10060462
I had time stalkers as a kid but never beat it, my recollection isn't great but I believe it reset your level for every dungeon and had a really cool debt system.

>>10060438
light crusader does seem like it belongs here too. I like that pic lol.
>>10060462
I remember seeing Tim Stalkers while looking up JRPGs on dreamcast but it gets a lot of hate. Although there are some who defend it saying "most criticsm comes from a place of not understanding the reasoning and meaning of the mechanics". It does some weird stuff, thanks for reminding me.

There are several pretty damn obscure games in this genre. Some definitely aren't great. Linkle Liver Story comes to mind. (Wrinkle River story?)

>>10060462
theres another sequel called lady stalker, its a japan only snes import

Anyone played Crusader of Centy? It kinda looks like a fun action game in zelda style. I always felt like zelda was lacking in items and mechanics and Centy seems to address that. Is it maybe the full RPG experience Zelda game I've always wanted? It has a ton of pets for one.

>>10060609
>I always felt like zelda was lacking in items and mechanics and Centy seems to address that
It doesn't. You have a fairly useless sword slash, a sword throw, and a jump. Most animal friends provide slight modifiers like increase charge/slash speed, or some kinda elemental effect that's used to kill certain enemies a little faster. Cheetah is good though as he increases your move speed, and the steerable thrown sword is good, but severely under utilized. It's still an excellent game but after playing it a few times, I don't really compare it to Zelda. It does its own thing.

>>10060413
Nah. Beyond Oasis has better combat, and lets you make the most of your mechanics throughout the entire adventure, Terranigma is very quick to lock away your spells in boss battles.

>>10060409
They're called hydlikes btw. Zelda took all lf it's ideas from hydlide, dragon slayer. Madoola, druaga and ishtar :)

>>10060675
It seems like of those that have played all three Quintet Games - Soul Blazer often comes out on top with Illusion of Gaia sometimes being favorite because of the story more than anything. It's rare to see someone who has played all three say Terranigma is the best.

I'm trying to decide between Soul Blazer and Beyond Oasis right now. I just want something fun I can boot up and beat up a few bad guys sometimes in. Beyond Oasis looks really cool.

>>10060669
>>10060684
thanks for the info anons.

>>10060689
I do want to say that Centy is VERY much worth a playthrough. There's some good setpieces and throwing your sword around is always really satisfying.

>>10060685
If you haven't played Beyond Oasis yet, I recommend it. You have a lot of combat options and you can completely beat the shit out of everything, it's very satisfying. There's also a hidden optional combat gauntlet where you're constantly diving down deeper and deeper and fighting through waves of dudes. It's a great test of endurance and the prize is well worth it.

>>10060684
But why hydlikes if dragon slayer and druaga came out before it?

>>10060685
>Soul Blazer often comes out on top with Illusion of Gaia sometimes being favorite because of the story more than anything. It's rare to see someone who has played all three say Terranigma is the best.
This seems accurate. Though I'd have a much higher opinion of Terranigma if it weren't for /that/ boss.

>>10060675
W take.
Beyond Oasis is just more fun.

i hear good things about crystalis but i have not tried it

Dark Savior, though calling it a Zelda-like is too reductive

>>10060409
Twisted Tales of Spike McFang and Gunman's Proof are pretty solid, and have a cartoonish aesthetic like LttP. They also mix it up by having a projectile as your main weapon.

>>10060696
Ok It's definitely on the list, I do like how Centy is shorter in length. That gauntlet in beyond oasis sounds awesome too.

>>10060740
I just installed a double XP patch for spike mcfang, it seems weirdly comparable to Crusader of Centy. Super cute looking game.

Beyond Oasis has better combat and the way magic works is nifty but I find Terranigma more fun overall even if Terranigma magic is total butt.

>>10060706
Why are storebrand shitty "chocolate" sandwich cookies called Oreo rip-offs if. Hydrox was a shitty "chocolate" sandwich cookie before Oreo was?

>>10060850
Marketing, now be above that.

>>10060730
This game is definitely one of the more interesting examples of the adventure rpg

>>10060730
that looks really annoying to control

>ctrl + f
>alundra
>0/0
Fuck all of you zoomer faggots.

A Challenger Approaches

>>10060896

Whoops, meant this one. Apologies

>>10060850
Are there any other examples of a seemingly knockoff brand being the original?
>inb4 Alone in the Dark and Resident Evil

>>10060462
Time Stalkers is not a sequel. It just uses the name as bait, and it has Nigel as a cameo. Time Stalkers is really a pokemon/rogue lite, with procedural dungeons. It was made by Climax though (it was called Climax Landers in some areas)

The real sequel to Landstalker is Alundra 2. Similar games include Alundra and Dark Savior, but Alundra is too focused on story and has a different perspective and Dark Savior is Saturn Jank. Alundra 2 has some characters that are very similar to those in Landstalker.

>>10060609
Crusader of Centy (aka Soleil where I grew up) is a good game. Fun boss fights, some good mechanics for its time and attaching pets to weapons can do some cool stuff.

>>10060602
Light Crusader is average. Jank controls make the game difficult. Landstalker is better.

>>10060409
Beyond Oasis (and the Saturn Sequel) are good ARPG's

>>10060904
This is the real Zelda 1 killer. Nintendies can't admit if. If you replaced the sprites with Zelda 1 sprites, they'd be drooling over it.

>>10060850
Hydlide, Hydrox, are we seeing a pattern?

>>10060927
>This is the real Zelda 1 killer. Nintendies can't admit if. If you replaced the sprites with Zelda 1 sprites, they'd be drooling over it.
It still pales in comparison to Zelda 1 for the sole fact there's only ONE (1) active item button. Meaning you need to use the menu pretty frequently to swap out between the sword, axe, and other tools. Give me two slots and I'd call it a proper contender.
Neutopia I would consider a contender, in fact I would say it stands comfortably right next to Zelda 1 in terms of quality. 2 kinda sucks though.

>>10060912
I totally forgot about the Alundra series. Thanks for letting me know you think 2 is even better. It doesn't look as good desu with the 3d models instead of pixel

>>10060912
>>10060957
After looking at Alundra 2 it seems dramatically worse than the first game.

>>10060875
It is, some of the platforming is hell but that doesn't erase it's merits

>>10060740
Thank you for mentioning gunman's proof, I've never seen this title in my life but it looks cool. Zelda with a cowboy and guns? Sign me up

For me it's James Bond 007 on the Game Boy

>>10060906
Several. My favourite is a case of both genericised trademark and "a seemingly knockoff brand being the original," Stereobelt. Even the name sounds low-grade. You might know similar products as "Walkman," but Stereobelt beat Walkman to the market by over two years, coming out in 1977.

>>10060413
I feel like Terranigma has better gameplay overall, but the pacing and atmosphere of Gaia/Time is absolutely unique even through modern games. The feel of a globetrotting adventure in a world that's clearly Earth with something wrong with it is really interesting. It's hard to put into words, but it legitimately feels like it has scale and like you're traveling places. In most games, you'll walk on the world map and show up in a town basically identical to the last. Gaia's locations all feel like they have different cultures and a larger scope. Between getting lost at sea for weeks, losing friends in a shipwreck, and traveling on the only airplane in existence, it feels like an adventure. Meanwhile, Terranigma tries the same thing with the whole "birth of the world" thing but completely lacks a sense of time, so you never feel like you're moving around IN the world, just that you're drifting around as things happen outside your view.

>>10060971
I played Alundra 2 first way back in the day, and thought it was not a bad game. I remember it being pirate themed. But when I finally played Alundra 1, there was absolutely no comparison. The atmosphere, gorgeous 2D graphics, and overall dark vibe of Alundra 1 absolutely blows 2 out of the water.

>>10060971
Alundra 2 is a worse game than Alundra, but it's a better Landstalker sequel than the others, which is what I was saying. Ladystalker is trash, and Timestalkers isn't even remotely in the same genre.

>>10060904
Very good game. Especially if you're a Golden Axe cuz it plays the sick-as-hell Golden Axe theme whenever you meet Ax Battler or the other two. That shit brought me back.

>>10060927
See, I always preferred Light Crusader to Landstalker by a wide margin, even if they're on the same engine. Very different vibe, but Light Crusader was basically Diablo in terms of story before Diablo was a thing. Knight arrives at a small town on vacation, learns that the people are disappearing, finds a gigantic ancient dungeon under the town, and slowly goes deeper and deeper while learning more about what's going on and interacting with the townsfolk. Back in the day it had enough mystery for me to keep wondering what was happening down there. Definitely a very western RPG / D&D type story.

>>10061103
Meant to say
>Especially if you're a Golden Axe fan

>>10061104
Gotta appreciate Light Crusader for the balls to have physics puzzles on a 2D isometric game too

>>10061062
Kiddicraft. They were Lego before Lego. A fucking decade before Lego. Lego used to make shitty wooden toys. Remember duckrolling? Yeah, Lego made those wooden ducks on wheels.
But now, anytime you see any brick toy, you think of them as Lego or Lego knockoffs even though Lego is itself the knockoff.

>>10061107
Especially when the physics don't work that well. I distinctly remember being able to push blocks in ways that would be impossible in reality. I also have the heavily compressed "ANSWER THE RIDDLE" sound clip baked into my brain.

As someone who likes old Zelda and fighting games, these topdown remakes of the older Ys games seem like they were made for me. Namely Oath in Felghana, the remake of Ys III. It's more compartmentalized than Zelda or Metroid in the adventure aspect, but it still has the explore, get thing, go back to use thing you got to go somewhere you couldn't before, element. But it's more of a zone-by-zone format, with some things you can do in previous zones with items you find later. Enemy aggro is something to be reckoned with for a change, and you want to find the right approach and attack for the given enemy, as well as the right range to bait from. Some bosses even having patterns you can manipulate (and will have to at higher difficulties) based on your proximity to them.

Final Fantasy Adventure's also really good and wears its Zelda influence on its sleeve more than the other Mana games, including its own remake

>>10060409
Soul Blazer.

>>10060941
More like Hydildo

>>10060409
>>10060413
*solos the entire thread*

>>10061308
this one does look interesting. Definitely not best in the thread but very interesting..

>>10061663
>>10061308
Isn't this a sequel to the absolutely bizarre and unplayable Drakkhen?

>>10061834
I just watched a SNES Drunk video which said it was made by the same people I believe, maybe a sequel too. It's completely different then that shit game though.

>>10061834
I wouldn't call Drakkhen unplayable. But it's definitely bizarre

>>10061905
If I remember correctly, all battles were completely AI controlled, death was permanent, and if you encountered a certain enemy (the giant dog head that spawns when you bump into a tombstome), you are 100% guaranteed to die. I liked the vibe but there was just no game to play under it all.

I did like how everybody exploded when they died though.

>>10060436

Equinox is enjoyable to look at and listen to but it's not as good to actually play as Solstice (NES) is. Adding combat to this type of game was a mistake.

>>10060729

Crystalis is great and I love it. It's not perfect but it's great. You should probably try it.

>>10060706
Because those are linear and stage based.

Probably the OP pic. I never liked how these games didn't have very good combat.

>>10061113
I googled it and what the fuck, why does nobody ever talk about this? Why is this allowed

>>10060409

>>10060729
It's good but it's common points with Zelda stop at "top down action adventure game"

>>10060409
>Illusion of Gaia
shit game
kusoge

>>10060875
>ark Savior, though calling it a Zelda-like is too reductive
It is kinda crappy (just like tank controls in other games)
But you get used to it quickly enough and have fun with it.

>>10060409
Beyond Oasis is great, so is the Saturn successor
>>10060436
Garbage
>>10060438
Brilliant game
>>10060462
Garbage
>>10060602
Weeb shit?
>>10060605
Garbage
>>10060609
It's fun
>>10060685
Great game
>>10060730
It was good fun (but landstaker is better)
>>10060896
Garbage
>>10060904
Better than Zelda 1
>>10061002
Fun but short, def worth a play
>>10061308
Never played it but looks like shit
>>10062726
Weeb shit
>>10062729
It's meh at best

>>10062152
Nah death isn't permanent, every zone has a shrine you can visit to revive any fallen party memebers, and you can escape the jackal head by running, which you trigger by mashing L and R repeatedly.

>>10060409
I've decided to play Beyond Oasis followed by Crusader of Centy and finally Soul Blazer. There are many great games here.

>>10062749
my man

>>10061871
It's not made by the same people, and it is in fact one of the very best japanese ARPGs for the SNES.

>>10060409
Illusion of Gaia and Soleil (pal version of Centy that has a far better translation) are great.

Beyond Oasis isn't worth playing.
>>10060413
Quintets weakest ARPG. B-team made it after their founder stopped directing.
It has really weak combat/gameplay/music/art direction. And in terms of writing, they just re-used all the same concepts and themes that they already did in Actraiser, Blazer and Gaia.
>>10060436
Landstalker is decent.. Much much better than Beyond Oasis.
Equinox is a cunt of a game but i still managed to finish it with a guide back in the day. The platforming and hidden shit later on is maddening.

>>10062726
Good game if you're playing the jap version. American version isn't worth it.

>>10060409
AGAIN
THERE IS NO ZELDA-LIKE OR ZELDA CLONE.
AGAIN
ZELDA DIRECTLY COPIED HYDLIDE AND THEN DRAGON SLAYER
NINTENDO DOES NOT INNOVATE
HUDSON DID AND WAS

>>10060438
Climax made some good ass shit back then my nigga

>>10064282
>capslock and catgirl loli
boy I'm sold

>>10060602
Time Stalkers is good if you want to do a more pen and paper RPG experience. It's really good if you want to learn the system.

Linky River Story is actually pretty poor, but not as bad as Shining Wisdom. Jesus Christ Camelot is full of morons.

>>10061308
>He's right behind me, isn't he?

You could try Marvelous: Another Treasure Island

>>10064320
The english localization did the game dirty.

>>10060609
I remember it being pretty easy and short so it's worth trying

>>10062749
>mass-replying faggot
kys

>>10060957
>Thanks for letting me know you think 2 is even better.
NTA, but hell no. I beat both and A1 is vastly superior.

>>10064282
Rare case, but the tranime poster is correct here

>>10060685
Soul Blazer's gameplay sucks pretty extremely badly

>>10060409

I heard that Golden Axe on SMS is pretty good.

>>10062726
Nice otaku games

>>10064293
Shining Wisdom might be one of the worst games on the Saturn, and the worst thing Camelot ever did.

>>10060609
>I always felt like zelda was lacking in items and mechanics and Centy seems to address that
What Zeldas have you played?

>>10060413
Fpbp

I like Speris Legacy and Brave Prove.

>>10062749
>worthless one word replies
need some attention, hon?

>>10060413
This

>>10060954
C.O. P. E.
GaxW is a total rip off, but done properly. Better even. Ignore the button fag, you use the menu infrequently in each game due to superior design e.g the axe acts as a weapon and candle

>>10068603
Someone needs a spanking for their terrible posting habits.

>>10068609
Sort of thing I expect a closet Zelda fanboy to say. But perhaps you have a point

>>10062749
You have no friends and your parents are disappointed in you.

>>10064282
Didn't ask.

>>10061308
Fucking based.

Not sure it holds up to the very best ones, but Magic Knight Rayearth on the Saturn is worth mentioning

>>10060409
Beyond Oasis. I never understood why no-one created games based on this kind of game mechanic logic and graphic. Yes, I know that RPG exists, but not similar to the one presented by Beyond Oasis. It was really fun, both the Genesis and Saturn version.

>>10068603
>>10069748
Mod's IRC smut is leaking...

>>10071880
Yeah Beyond Oasis is more like a mix between a Golden Axe type brawler and an Action RPG, it's such an awesome combination.

>>10064282
>AGAIN
THERE IS NO ZELDA-LIKE OR ZELDA CLONE.
AGAIN
ZELDA DIRECTLY COPIED HYDLIDE AND THEN DRAGON SLAYER
NINTENDO DOES NOT INNOVATE
HUDSON DID AND WAS

I do not like Zelda so don't take this as fanboyism, but you are wrong. Hydlide is an rpg which is action based, you gain levels by killing enemies. Zelda has heart containers available but you don't get XP from enemies which changes the genre fundamentally. So Secret of Mana for example is an action RPG, Beyond Oasis is a Zelda clone (action-adventure)

>>10072276
Actually Beyond Oasis DOES have an invisible XP system where as you kill enemies, you'll earn enough and then the next guy you kill will drop a heart container.

>>10072276
Fuck off and calm down, here, have an Oreo, the original chocolate sandwich cookie.

>>10060730
This game is nothing like Zelda.
>>10060875
The controls are pretty bad yes. It's especially AIDS that you can't turn once you've started moving. It's too bad because the game has a lot of interesting, unique things going for it.

>>10064282
>NINTENDO DOES NOT INNOVATE
Sure they do. Zelda 1 is actually fun to play unlike Hydlide and Dragon Slayer which play like clunky dog ass.

>>10072608
Zelda-like is a shorthand for Action Adventure RPG and yes Dark Savior is a (particularly unique) Action Adventure RPG.

>no turn based random encounter bullshit
check
>real time combat
check
>no great focus on numbers and level progression
check
>emphasis on lock and key/push the block environmental puzzles
check

>>10067534

That format of reply would be fine if this crappy website would just highlight the part of the many-part reply that's relevant to the post you're coming from, when you're trying to read it as a reply to that post. Maybe there's an addon or something that does that though, I dunno.

>>10070530
It is one of my favorite games of all time. Funny writing and great atmosphere with this one.

>>10071886
Wut? You reading too far into it anon?

>>10072784
Cosigned.

My disc had Umi on it, what about you?

>>10072761
Like highlight and hit reply to greentext seleced text?

>>10073227
Apologies highlight and click on the post number. You're welcome!

>>10072725
That's really stretching it. The battles are real-time, but take place on a separate screen that resembles fighting games rather than happening in the overworld, where you get a tally of points after every fight which you can level up with. They really don't resemble the top-down fights in the overworlds of other "Zelda-likes" at all. Secret of Mana is more Zelda-like than Dark Savior.

>>10060413
Terranigma isn't as good as people seem to think it is.

>>10073231

It sounds like you're talking about a way to quote when creating a post, whereas I was talking about a nice way to READ that annoying person's link-filled post. If you start with the annoying person's post, you can easily see what's going on, but if you read more chronologically and start with one of the posts the annoying person replied to, then as far as I know you can't easily see from there what little tiny part of the long post is actually relevant to the one you started with. I always end up scanning the links visually and looking for a matching post number, which is crappy.

>>10062749
die in a fire

>>10073440
Ah I C sorry. I don't find it THAT bad to backtrack using the links provided, but it isn't great. That said, if you choose not to trouble yourself to read said posters you will miss nothing worthwhile anyway

>>10060409
Check this hidden gem out. It isn't as bad as the 5.5/10 IMDB rating, is it? God bothering aside, What do the cultured anons here that actually played it think?

>>10073224
I have the Hikaru disc. Now all we need is a Fuubro to make an appearance...

>>10060413
terranigma balls

>>10064282
>THERE IS NO ZELDA-LIKE OR ZELDA CLONE

neutopia. it's a ripoff in all aspects