/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5515751

>>5276905
>Everything Matsuno touched was god tier and leagues above everything else Square created.
By being all largely unfinished messes with half baked mechanics?

Maybe when Quest was still a thing you could argue that he made good games, though you have to try really, really hard to ignore how every single one of them were horribly fucking broken on a mechanical level (more than your average FF, which is an accomplishment in its own right) and full of pointless mechanics that literally do not matter even if you try really hard to make them matter, but at the very least he released complete games because the Quest people had actual self respect and drive to make good games.
What the fuck did he do when Quest was absorbed by Square?
FFT is a retread of LUCT, but a third of it, with less mechanical variety and somehow MORE problems.
VS is a half baked Brandish expy where literally nothing works as its supposed to work, there's literal leftover mechanics they forgot to take out which aren't mentioned anywhere and it's again, one third of what it's supposed to be, with a lot of hastily repurposed content and major plot points and characters that go absolutely nowhere.
FFXII ain't retro, but it's the same thing as VS, except that this time Matsuno has a breakdown and fucking leaves in the middle of development, so the execs desperately scramble to find somebody to save the sinking ship, and they pick Akitoshi Kawazu of all fucking people to pick for a FF.

>>5011605
>You quit one of the most amazing games ever created and the last good game square soft ever made
>Literally none of the mechanics work as intended
>Game is one third of what it's supposed to be thanks to Sakaguchi's usual "management" at Square
>So blatantly unfinished there's leftover mechanics like monster partners that have zero actual utility and aren't even mentioned in the manual or guides.
Vagrant Story is the same as FFXV, an amazing tech demo for an engine and a testament to Square's graphic designers but a complete mess of a game.
It's amazing how reviewers gave it so many high scores at the time and praised the nonexistent depth of the gameplay, it does have Matsuno's greatest villain and some of the best JRPG music by Sakimoto but that's about it, the game's one big huge mess.

>>4305559
>Break Arts are pretty amazingly great
Depends, the vast majority of them offer you no real advantage over chaining or better, countering, on a fresh file, unless you mean those really strong BA like Swallow Slash, but those are far few and between in the whole set.
The only use for BA is for time attacks, most of which are already easy and can still be mostly solved by a good chainer abusing Raging Ache, and the very few enemies that have high chain resistances like Nightstalker.

Seems to me you guys haven't really gone deep in the rabbit hole, because VS' entire nuanced gameplay is completely invalidated by a handful of oversights.
Namely:
>Raging Ache
We all know this.
You can unlock this right after the minotaur by using the dummy in the save room, and since it does fixed damage based on the difference between max HP and current HP value it's alread a notch above anything else but other arts that ignore defense values like Phantom Pain, both of which also completely invalidate the PP concept, let alone needing any sort of buffs and debuffs, making most spells even more pointless
>Absorb/Reflect counters
These are all basic counters which again, ignore defense values and do percentage based damage, meaning they are amazing ESPECIALLY in a fresh file since enemies hit less and less the more NG+ loops you go through.
What most people don't know is that Absorb types negate KOs altogether because the HP restore calculation happens as a part of the total damage calculation, meaning that if you have 150 HP and the enemy does 200 damage the game will detract a 30% from that 200 and add it to the base 0 HP value you have from the first calculation, meaning that you will NEVER, ever die from damage in the game as long as you counter with an absorb.
Nothing in the game can kill you other than a harpy casting Banish(Magic Ward fixes this) or passive poison damage, not even falling into pits kills you because you will be locked at a minimum 1 HP threshold.

>>3779441
>Ashley went from badass to buttboy.
>Not proudly showing your unblemished, firm buttcheeks to hellspawns and abominations while you make short work of them

That's quite literally being a badass

>>3700424
>what am I in for
Matsuno's greatest work.
Also heretics, butts, raging ache and reinforcements.

>>3650314
I play both on a CRT. And the majority of N64 looks like ass and runs like ass. Most games have framerates in the 20s and even later releases don't look as good as, say, Vagrant Story.

>>3469943
>Needing to change weapons
>When simply gemming something to maximize Physical beats the shit out of anything
>When you have Chains
>When you have Counters
>When you have Warlock spells
>When you have Shaman elemental buffs
>When you can simply regem it properly if you're too dense to use any of the above.
>He didn't clear the game using only a base ungemmed Fandango
>He isn't a Holy Traveller/Proud Warrior/Pride Fighter

Some games should have a big NOT FOR PLEBS sticker on their cover to prevent this kind of retards to even get near them, let alone talk about them.

>>2884092
It's one of my favorite genres, so no.

>>2689216
>Vagrant Story is a shitty game with shitty art, a shitty story, and a shitty battle system.
>Literally one of the best games ever made under any aspect and a miracle of software engineering
>shitty
>Vanguard Bandits
>better
>A game that looked like shit even when it came out
>With the most generic and boring characters ever

The stench of heresy is so strong it's giving me a headache.

>>2384721
>>2384732
>Dissing one of the literal GOAT

now im playing vagrant story on epsxe, looks cool, however some movements seem a little retarded

>>2205563
Vagrant Story

>>2197776
I don't mean to rain on your parade but
>>Tactics Ogre, Ivalice in FFT and Lea Monde in Vagrant Story are all deeply connected
>Vagrant Story
Matsuno officially denied any connection between FFT and VS,
>Tactics Ogre
Fanwank
>>Items in Vagrant Story refer to FFT characters, including "Durai", Agrias, Delita, Orlandu and the Lucavi
Again, they're only cameos
>>The Dark Gods in Vagrant Story <==> Lucavi in FFT.
Which Dark Gods are you talking about? Because there are no Gods except the Dark in VS and Daeva=/=Gods
>The Crimson Blades in Vagrant Story are the swords of the church that use dark magic like the church of glabados used the stones
Just like The Dark Knights are the swords of Lodis' Church, Matsuno recycles a lot.
>>Balmafula's class data (by looking at it through hacks/debugging/whatever) shows she is a "Witch of the Coven" that uses "the Dark"
Fanwank
>Spells in Tactics Ogre and Vagrant Story not only share names (Spirit Surge, Vulcan Lance, etc), they also work the exact same way; you use a 'spell' (Grimoire) once and then your character automatically learns it forever.
Except it wasn't like this in the original SNES game
>>TO has an item called the ensanguined rood which is a reference to the blood-sin rood in VS. It turns the dead into a divine knight
Except there was't such an item in the original SNES game
>>Break arts in TO are named after VS finishers (or the other way around)
Again, there wasn't anything like that in the original SNES game, you could only learn Finishing Strikes if you met King Roderick in certain floors of the Hell Gate/PoTD.
>>Note how similar the gauntlet/arm/elbow pad things that monks in FFT wear are to what Callo and Ashley wear in vagrant story wear
Complete fanwank with zero logic behind it, I could say that Vampire Hunter D is connected to FF because D is dressed like a Red Mage but it's still bullshit.
>Cont.

>>2165968
Guildenstern was right and did little wrong, Ashley was right, Sidney was right too, Rosenkrantz is a faget, blame old man Bardorba and the nobles/church as every Matsuno game ever.

If you want you can try to patch together the pieces of Kildean Lore in VS with the other Ivalice titles.

I've tried several times over the years but I can just never get into this. It's definitely one of the prettiest PS1 games I've played and the story seems interesting but the gameplay just never clicked for me