/vr/ - Retro Games

Same as Mario 64: 3d sucks for certain types of games, including platforming.

>WAA MARIO 64 WAS GREAT
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>SMB
10/10
>SMB2
6/10
>SML
6/10
>SMB3
11/10
>SMW
10/10
>SML2
7/10
>SM64
1/10
>SMS
1/10

3 and World then

It is absolute trash and anyone who thinks it's good has nostalgia goggles from playing that shit as a kid when you actually had patience for its trash.
BUTBUTBUTSPEEDRUNNERS! When you dedicate all your free time to learning every single quirk and nuance of something, you can be "good" at it too, no matter how bad it is. I was good at fucking ET on the VCS when I was a kid and I have no goddamn illusions about that game being anything but trash.

Trash.

>>9268626
>ignore the fact that most games for the n64 are actually objectively bad and the only reason they were popular were paid off reviewers and a huge viral marketing push
The N64 was a massive failure that came very late to that generation's party with terrible games but Nintendo knew how to lie and hype that shit up so bad that gullible pseudo-gamers who bought into the style over substance hype of the mid-90s that basically ruined games from then on ate that shit up.
Behold an actual N64 review that Nintendo didn't pay for.

>>9206956

Plays like shit too, but nugamer kids won't admit that because they were brainwashed to fuck by Nintendo.

>jumping flash, a game with ok gameplay
>vs. mario 64, a game with complete shit gameplay
Fuck both of them, honestly. Platformers shouldn't be in 3d.

>>9077679
Not him but I was fucking 25 when I played Mario 64 for the first time. I thought Nintendo had fucked up, bad, and it was over for the N64 and Nintendo in general.
Imagine my surprise when I found out that the mid-90s was the beginning of overhyping and shilling style over substance shit games and paying reviewers to give trash games a good score. Most reviewers, anyway.

Idiots who loved style over substance shit that Sony and Nintendo pushed onto the industry in the mid-90s is the ONE AND ONLY FUCKING ACTUAL ANSWER.
Everything else is a revisionist fucking lie. I was there. I watched gaming collapse in the mid-90s as people started to fucking flock to garbage like Mario 64 and MGS and is why gaming is complete trash now.
Sega could have saved the industry but you had to have your fucking shit games.

>64
>masterpiece
Every time someone says SM64 is good I want to fucking punch a goddamn baby in the face.

>>8772530
People who believe that Nintendo didn't fucking go full style over substance trash with their crappy "we promise we'll eventually release our rushed console with no actual specs except we promise it'll be so much better than everything else which is actually a lie" console with a laughably bad controller and mostly 3d shit games with bad controls and gameplay are mentally ill.
Further proof that /vr/ should be 8/16bit games only and that N64 and forward should join the style over substance pool of shit that is /v/.

>>8692227
>Super Mario 64 is great.
Nintendo LITERALLY paid off most reviewers to hype it because they were already way behind their competitors in the next-gen console race and didn't even care enough to move to CD-based games, and let's not even mention the god-awful controller. The N64 was a laughable clusterfuck that should have miserably failed but Nintendo saved it by lies, misinformation, and bullshit.
PS1 wasn't much better (same style over substance bullshit) and Sega botched their fucking Saturn launch badly. It was the beginning of the end for gaming.

>best 3D game before Mario 64
Mario 64 isn't good

They knew it was shit because SM64 was shit.
Only after fucking nugamers forced them into 3d Sonic shit with Adventure did Sega give that trash a genuine try.

I want to know why ANY FUCKING SANE PERSON thought Mario 64 was anything but complete goddamn shit.

God: SMB3
Awesome: SMW, SMB1
Good: Yoshis Island, SMB2USA
Decent: SML, SML2
Meh: Everything not mentioned here
Shit: all 3d Mario games

You know what's funny? Being banned for a fucking retro board for thinking games should be, you know, retro. Banned because some asshat thought I was fucking trolling when I said a fucking videogame should be an actual videogame and not some style over substance pile of fucking garbage that cares more about some goddamn gimmick or fucking story or stupid graphics than ACTUAL FUCKING GAMEPLAY AND CONTROLS. Thinking I'm trolling when I say that gaming went to shit in the mid-90s because Nintendo and Sega WANTED it to go to shit. I was there. I watched it fucking happen. They were fucking ass-mad over Sega actually concentrating on good games and wanted to attract non-gamers to play pretty games. Story-based games. Gimmick games. Absolute fucking trash. They built entire consoles around the idea. Led gaming into a dark time that we have yet to emerge from. And eventually they drew Sega into it as well but they couldn't save themselves.
If you don't know anything about games -- if you weren't there from the beginning -- stop pretending you know or care. Stop thinking someone who is passionate about ACTUAL retro games is "trolling" /vr/, a board started on an actual good premise of removing the shit era of gaming but quickly devolved into Playstation and N64 trash and now we've added early 2000s absolute garbage to the mix.
Go play old games. Only. Games from the 80s, mostly, some early 90s stuff. Don't bother playing modern stuff. Even play stuff from back then that was shit, like E. T., and precursors of modern storytrash with no gameplay, like laserdisk story quicktime stuff that was glitzy and attracted people at first but we quickly got bored of. Know how EVERYONE in the early 90s absolutely trashed style-over-substance CD-based games and warned of a future exactly like the one we got.
This is your problem. This isn't trolling. This is a message from someone who wants to save gaming.
Please.

And the game is still garbage. You won't improve Mario 64 until you mod it to be like they originally wanted the game to be (2d gameplay with 3d environments). Yes, that was the original intent, don't believe Nintendo's revisionist history where it was always going to be 3d. That's bullshit.

And the gameplay is still fucking trash. Until we get the ORIGINAL fucking concept of Mario 64 where you had 3d backgrounds/environments but 2d gameplay (and don't let fucking stupidass revisionist gaming history tell you that it wasn't), Mario 64 is going to suck no matter how many updates you get.

>>7397668
>objectively better movement
How many times do I fucking have to post this before Dumbers understand that SM64 is utter, complete fucking trash and we can move on from the delusion that any games past the mid-90s or so are anything but complete garbage?

Oof, he has a point.

In terms of good games, Quake 1.
In terms of fucking ruining gaming with style-over-substance trash, Mario 64.