/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5984204
I have a different problem with the rock/paper/scissor system of Toukon Retsuden. Since it doesn't use grapples, all the moves have to fit inside the categories of either strike/kick, submission and power move, that's why when standing up facing front you can only do two moves of each category. i.e. a power move with either the circle button or direction + circle (multiple directions like later in smackdown weren't used back then), which isn't very much. And because of that Toukon Retsuden heavily relies on groggy states, wich I absolutely hate. Yeah, most wrestling games have said groggy states, but usually only one state. But to get a decent movelist per wrestler Toukon Retsuden used two groggy states - (normal), dazed and dizzy and additionally certain moves and move combos which can only be executed when the crowd cheers your wrestler (the equivalent to a finisher or finishing sequence). But this means you can't execute all the moves anytime and you have to beat your opponent into the various groggy states to execute certain moves, wich is rather cumbersome. Additionally this partially looks very silly seeing the wrestlers swinging back and forth when stunned for a while transitioning through the groggy states.

One such state is enough and even this looks ridiculous most of the time (All Star Pro Wrestling from Squaresoft did this better, but this isn't considered retro yet), but it's a necessity in most games.
Another example is the PS1 game AJPW Women: Legend of Queens (Zen Nihon Joshi Pro Wrestling: Joou Densetsu: Yume no Taikousen). This game has outstanding animations for a PS1 game, but just like Toukon Retsuden it also relies on said groggy states (but not as severe as Toukon Retsuden since it uses all directions on the pad), which always looks rather off-putting to me.

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