/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8452712
I can think of many rifles which are more accurate than many subguns, but I can also think of many subguns which are more accurate than some rifles.

Older subguns from the earlier Cold War and World War eras, were designed to fire from an open bolt, meaning when ready to fire, the bolt is locked back, pulling the trigger lets it go to pick up a round from the magazine, loading it into the chamber, and firing it, all in one fast motion. Really old subguns were done this way because you could straight up get away with the bolt being a solid weight with a fixed firing pin and this would still work (though most would also feature an extractor for added reliability and ease of solving certain malfunctions). Being simplistic like this made guns like these really remarkably inexpensive to make, particularly for the WW2 period.
The noticeable delay before firing, and the weight shifting forward in your hands before the gun actually fires, does end up making it harder to shoot these kinds of guns for fine precision, but not impossible, it can be trained for, and even then it'll still do decent at the ranges that matter the most.

The MP5 fires from a closed bolt, like basically every assault rifle, or for that matter semi-automatic pistol, meaning everything's already ready when you pull the trigger, the hammer just has to strike the firing-pin and this happens in the blink of an eye. This makes the MP5 a lot easier to shoot with fine precision than many older subguns, though this doesn't make the biggest difference in recoil. The Uzi for instance fires from open bolt, fixed firing-pin and all, but being so very well balanced, the gun doesn't shift as much as most of its kin when firing, and it's not actually that different in precision or recoil to the MP5.

However, these aren't qualities reflected much in videogames, and least of all in unrealistic games such as Half-Life.

>>4891475
The Sterling (and also the Sten, which it's vaguely based on), operates on a principle called open-bolt, which means that when the gun is ready fire, the bolt is locked back and the ejection port is open, and as soon as the bolt closes, it will immediately fire whatever cartridge is in the chamber.

Old subguns like the Sten, Sterling, Greasegun, Uzi and MP40, all work in this basic principle, and it's really fascinating just how mechanically simple these guns are; not counting the magazine, the only moving part in the gun when cycling is the bolt itself, which is essentially just a solid weight, since there's no kind of gas piston, or delaying or locking mechanism. This also made these guns quite cheap.

When you pull the bolt all the way back, the sear catch grabs it and holds it in place, compressing the recoil spring, then when you pull the trigger, the sear releases the bolt, and the recoil spring shoves the bolt forward with haste, where it picks a cartridge from a magazine, puts it in the chamber, and the inertia of the bolt's movement goes through the fixed firing pin and fires the cartridge immediately as it's in the chamber.

Then, the propellant gasses of the fired cartridge pushes back against the bolt, and it goes flying back, to either be caught by the sear, or if you're still holding the trigger, bounce on the recoil spring and continue the firing cycle, loading the next cartridge and immediately firing it, and so on.

>>2252827
I should point out that revolvers do have chambers, in the cylinder, it's literally a revolving cylinder with chambers for cartridges, lining up for the hammer and barrel.

There are some guns that you can't have a +1 round with, as in, you can't keep a round in the chamber.

Old fashioned submachineguns typically fired from an open-bolt, as in, the bolt is typically one solid piece, the firing-pin being milled into the bolt-face, when ready, the bolt is held to the rear, and under spring pressure from the main-spring, when you pull the trigger, it drops the sear down, and the mainspring throws the bolt forward, the bolt picks up a round from the magazine, and then immediately chambers it and fires it, the bolt then recoils from the forces, the empty casing is either extracted by the extractor on the bolt (if it has one), or it's just blown out of the chamber by the pressure and force of shot and then bounces out of the ejection port, the bolt continues forward to rear, either to be caught by the sear if you have let go of the trigger, or then be thrown forward again by the mainspring, to shoot again.

Old subguns like that aren't used as much anymore (though they're not gone), that said, modern light machineguns and general purpose machineguns are very commonly firing from an open bolt, as it generally runs much cooler than a conventional closed bolt design, a round can't be kept in the chamber, so even if the barrel is blazing hot, a round won't cook off by heat. LMG's are typically a bit more advanced that subguns though, as they usually operate by some sort of gas or delayed recoil system, as well, they can actually have mechanical firing-pins and extractors + ejectors, rather than relying on the cartridge being pushed out by gas pressure (that works for pistol cartridges, but not as much with rifles). Also, belt feeding is way more complex than magazine feeding.

*adjusts glasses like a nerd*

>>1419330
If you're gonna make an MP-40, I'll ask you to please depict it as an actual open-bolt weapon.

This .gif is of a Sten, but they have the same behavior (and same magazines).

>>1294613
The gun was already ready to fire, when the bolt is guided into that notch there, it's held in place, and isn't going to move by itself.

Pulling the trigger lets the bolt go, and it gets thrown forward by the spring-pressure, it picks up a round from the magazine, chambers it, and immediately firing it, at which point it will recoil, and if the trigger is held down, the bolt will ride forward again.

It's called "open-bolt", was usually how submachineguns were done back in those days.

>>1268032
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