/vr/ - Retro Games

First console that was around was an Atari 2600 and an NES, first console that was actually mine was a Genesis gen 2.
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>>754154
I don't count endings. And really, there's a lot they did not explore in the incredibly wide range of possibilities in the realm of time travel.
Seeing 1999 I can understand in a certain light, but I think that in this scenario it would make more sense to have had the party go through some small areas before getting to Lavos and fighting him there. To see the impending destruction, and to get hints of civilization at the time before facing Lavos.

But that's a minor thing, really.

>>752971
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>>752910
>>752931
>>752951
Also, this all being said, I like the game. I personally think it has its own un-explainable charm to it, and well deserves to be in any list for most notable RPG's, but that doesn't change it from being barely above average. To put a number to it: 6/10

>>752931
Those are the key components to the game. Gameplay, story, characters. These are the top 3 in most games, but most notably in RPG's. Sure the music is awesome, sure it has a nice aesthetic, but these are far seconds to the major three, and having explored the three what are we left with? Standard gameplay, standard characters, and an original but mediocre story.

To compare to other games, FF does much better on the type of gameplay. Outside of running into things on the map, it simply has more things to do, more depth, and is more fleshed out, whereas CT, the actual components to the gameplay are pretty standard and pretty light in content. To compare to other types of gameplay and this is getting into opinion I think that non-turnbased is better, in the case of SoM, SD3, etc.
The characters are dead average with other RPG's. One problem is that many other RPG's of the time have the same cutouts, the same tropes, and the same general type of characters. But since CT follows suit, that makes it just like them; AKA average.
The story is hard to compare without sounding like pure opinion. But from a huge time travel fan, my honest and well-educated opinion is that it's original for a game, but not well-done.

I feel like I'm going in circles, so I'll stop here. Hopefully, this rant makes sense to people, and they don't just start screaming "OPINIONS OPINIONS"

>>752910
The story, while original for a JRPG, was far from original in a storytelling sense, and honestly failed to live up to its full potential. With any time traveling anything, there should be major concequences for fucking around in time. CT has very little of this outside of killing the final boss and saving the world. A world which we hardly see so we feel very little impact for saving.
In good storytelling, the narration should connect us to people and places. Make us care for them.

We don't even get to see the era we save. Sure, we see the aftermath, but that's a moot point because it doesn't happen after you kill Lavos. We don't actually experience the "modern" world, which is what Lavos destroys. This is a huge potential chunk of storytelling and gameplay that's completely left out.

Plus, again, there was a lot of things missing to make it a good time traveling story. There was no messing up the timelines, there was very little impact in later periods from what you did. This MAY be able to be attributed to lack of space for the game on the cartridge, but I highly doubt it.

Continued-

>>749958
>>749980
>>751786
To try and clarify; my stance comes from comparing it to other RPG's at the time. SoM, SD3, SoE, all the FF's, BoF, DQ, SO, PHS, Actraiser, and even some early PS1 titles like ATL.

There's really nothing to compare CT favorably to when it comes to comparing individual parts to each of these games. Compared to FF5, SO, and ATL, the characters in CT are not as fleshed out and not as interesting.
You have the mute protag, you have the noble lady character, you have the inventor and something that may as well be her invention, you have the solemn mage dude, you have the stoic knight, and you have the amazoness technically cavewoman, but the characterization is the same. These are all very well-established and common characters, especially in RPG's. There's no breaking ground here.

On the gameplay: All it is is the common JRPG turnbased system, but with the people moving around a bit. Sure, you have the ATB active battle system but that's nothing new. Games did it before CT, and games have done it after. It's better than the standard, sure, but again it's nothing special. Outside of combat, you have a world map, and you have areas, and you have dungeons. Standard RPG fare.

Now, the story, which I shall continue in a second post because it has gone over the character limit.

>>749765
You're like trying to talk with a goldfish. Have fun with your holy grail and "oh my god my opinions are the only ones that matter" mentality.
No one else is gonna be involved.

>>749757
Wait, you're expecting people to play anything other than the more popular things? They wouldn't be able to fit in that way!

>>749756
Fact can be contrary to opinion.
Seriously, how dense are you?

>>749740
No, it was simply contrary to your own opinion.

>>749721
>baseless speculation
Either give up trying to defend the chastity if your cherished gem or learn something or two.
I never called any of it bad, and yet you're recoiling like I'm bashing it as a terrible game, which to re-iterate, I am not.

It's simply not the holy fucking grail of RPG's like you people want to make it out to be.

>>749703
As I said, opinions aside. Purely comparing it to other things.

Comparing CT to other RPG's, the gameplay is average.
Comparing CT to other RPG's, the characters are average.
Comparing CT to other RPG's, the story is more interesting, but compared to other mediums, it's not that interesting.
Comparing CT as a whole to other RPG's, it's a bit above the curve, and at that point it comes down to opinion, as it would boil down to personal taste.

It's an alright game, I liked it, and I believe it's a solid entry in a retro line-up.

>>749685
There's no such thing as a poor opinion, that's part of the problem.
Sitting outside of opinions, CT is an "ok" game. Its gameplay wasn't anything interesting or original, its story was a bit above the curve as far as video games go, sure, but outside of games, it's pretty basic. The characters fit general archtypes, the flow of things is predictable.

Overall, it's slightly above average, and is objectively worse or, in the very least, not that much better than many other RPG's.

>>749679
More like people can't into differentiate between personal opinion and anything else.

>this entire thread and every one like it

Virtual-On is masterrace.
Most other mech games are slow and meandering. Virtual-On is awesome and fast paced, like a good mech game should be.

>>749526
Is that why every other MGS game has over-the-top absolutely everything?
And let's not forget to mention that new Raiden game on PS3, which is basically an over-the-top simulator. It may not have been Kojima himself, but it's very clearly in his style.

>>749507
It has the scenes as Kojima wanted them to be, but couldn't do in the originial version.
If you don't believe me; think about the rest of the games and Kojima himself. It's the optimal version of the game.

>>749504
Because most fanbases are "ok" at best.
But really, CT is one of the worst. Have you checked that wiki they have recently?

>>749510
>I can't believe they made me lose to Fagdingo

>>749467
This.

Ignore any PC version and emulate the Gamecube one. Imo it's far superior anyways.

Chrono Trigger is a good game, but it's not the masterpiece many people hail it as.
It also has one of the most pig disgusting fanbases ever.

>>748073
I don't think it's a direct sequel, more of a spiritual sequel.

>>747940
>that entire scene after Mareg dies
;_;7