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Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to TSR-era D&D, derived systems, and compatible content.

Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons as played in the game's first decade - less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.

If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about. We'll be happy to help you get started on this playstyle.

>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:

>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:

>Being called a FOE (False OSR Enthusiast)?
Report, hide, and ignore. Don't give those people (You)s - but likewise be mindful of whether you deserve it or not.

>Previous Thread

>Thread Question
What's your favourite dungeon trap?

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Want to contribute to the thread but don't know where to start? Roll 1d8 (dice+1d8 in the "options" field) on the table below!
Our OC gets archived at osrgcontent.blogspot.com
Tag your post with [OC] to help archive anon find it, please.

>1. Make a spell
>2. Make a monster
>3. Make a dungeon setpiece
>4. Make a wilderness setpiece
>5. Make a magic item
>6. Make a race or class
>7. Make a 4-10 room dungeon
>8. Roll 2d8 and combine.

>> No.77959969

If you're reading this thread to find out what system is a good starting point for OSR play, the 1981 D&D Basic Set (along with the Expert set, often referred to together as B/X) is considered the gold standard by most of this thread. Read the original rulebooks to learn how to play, and you may find them to be good for playing with as well. If you find the original rulebooks unsatisfactory, or if you need physical copies, consider one of the following reworkings of the books (known as retroclones):
Old School Essentials
>most accurate to the original books
>great format
>relatively expensive
Basic Fantasy RPG
>mild adjustments to rules
>decent formatting
Both these options also have System Reference Documents (SRDs) available online, for quickly finding rules without having to scan through the PDF/book.

Also, please let me know if I can improve this pasta in any way.

>> No.77960018

what book gives me babbys first text crawl? google was kind of unhelpful with what tables to get. I got a positive table, a negative table (I don't know if this is traditional but its what one of the blogs google gave me reccomended) and I got weather genned for the next month. Anything I'm missing?

>> No.77960025


Reposting this thing since I spent much time on it and didn't see the thread was kill

We probably should have a whole pastebin in the OP for that about OSE, BFRPG, LL, OSRIC and other nu-OSR stuff

>> No.77960067

I'd agree that it could possibly go into more detail, and I could try and write up a pastebin if people want, but keeping it simple seems good for newbies looking for a way in.

>> No.77960226

>keeping it simple
It also minimizes arguments.

>> No.77960444

Text crawl? I'm not familiar with the term. What do you mean?

>> No.77960460
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I wish I loved anything or anyone as much as Mr. Wrlch loves Mystara

>> No.77960485

sorry hexcrawl, my dumb brain substituted a similiar sounding word for hex

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>not owning physical copies of BX.
Why even live?

>> No.77960530

Ah, well there's obviously X1: The Isle of Dread
I'd recommend heading over to the sharethread and grabbing yourself a copy of Judges' Guild's Wilderlands of High Fantasy, lots of great tables for rolling features in there.

I've HEARD good things about Hot Springs Island but haven't played it myself unfortunately.

>> No.77960533

I know people can print their own, but I really hope it eventually becomes a POD option like the AD&D books have.

>> No.77960547
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I own this but literally haven't taken the books out of the shrinkwrap nor have ever played them

>> No.77960568

Skerples, Dan D, Cavegirl,
Lungfungus, Gus L,
Prince of Nothing, noisms, The Alexandrian.
Anne Hunter, Konsumterra,
Patrick Stuart, Joe Manola,
Luka Rejec, Bryce Lynch, the guy from leveldrain.

Tenkar, Buzzclaw, Antlerr,
Chris McDowall, Venger,
Dyson Logos, Mansefag
Blog of Holding grab bag.
Augustine, Grognardia,
Maps made by Victoria,
Pundit, Webb, Daniel Sell,
Zak, Milton, Koebel
Scrap Princess, Arnold K
What else do I to say?

We didn't start the fire...

>> No.77960570

That's a collector's piece so it makes sense to do that, you can just buy OD&D reprints.
However, if they do another box like that for the 50th anniversary I am buying the fuck out of it.

>> No.77960631

Long ago, before the rpg site became an irredeemable shithole a fellow poster just up and sent me a copy of each.

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The box alone is a source of joy for me. I have a massive box fetish though, bummed I missed out on the 2e green reprints but accidentally ended up with all the 1e reprints since apparently no one else cared at my LGS over a year where I'd impulse buy em

>> No.77960646

That's extremely cool, god bless.

>> No.77960657

I was floored.

>> No.77960666
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What dictates sites like Drivethru only having seemingly random splats and modules available for softcover prints? I mean I can just print them normally and put them in plastic sleeves but still

>> No.77960680

thanks, that sounds like exactly what I was looking for

>> No.77960697

i thought we were talking about posters

I ran HSI: the isle and the hex crawl are good, the dungeons are a mess. Also there's too much important stuff just left out and up for the dm to fill while stuff that no one cares about is autistically detailed

>> No.77960701

I assume it's equal parts interest, layout working well for POD and just random chance.

>> No.77961188

They've said it's one part being able to find a copy in good enough to shape to use that they can cut apart for the scan requirements and one part thinking the cost of the whole effort for that particular product is going to be worth it.

>> No.77961249

I wonder if you could use neural networks to clean up low-quality scans of RPG books to modern printing standards. Probably not something any company's going to be trying but it's worth looking into maybe.

>> No.77961257

>Also there's too much important stuff just left out and up for the dm to fill while stuff that no one cares about is autistically detailed
New to OSR?

>> No.77961318 [DELETED] 

Reposting my pixel art of my party in my current campaign I am a player in. It's a copper standard game with even slower healing than normal so most of my characters don't even start out with armor and deathspiral into death but it's still quite fun.

>> No.77961328

There is the attached to refer to if you like--pp 3 and 4.

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Re-posting my pixel art of my party in my current campaign I am a player in. It's a copper standard game with even slower healing than normal so most of my characters don't even start out with armor and deathspiral into death but it's still quite fun.

>> No.77961388

This is a ridiculous amount of effort for an eceleb shitpost.

>> No.77961401
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Pastafag pls, the MokouCHAD isn't the same guy as the d*scord-using touhoufag that is lord yakumo

t. MokouCHAD

Buy a printer

>> No.77961530

I'm always confused when I see this, are the new deaths at the bottom or the top? Also, what kind of things have you been doing lately in the game?

>> No.77961876

New deaths are in the upper left, and push the others to the right and then down onto lower rows. They are in reverse chronological order in that regard. Lately we have been exploring some sewers, trying to avoid combat, dealing with sewer people and oozes. Living in the city we are in is expensive though and we might leave for another dungeon soon.

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No pic related?

>> No.77962541

I have my OG Moldvay Basic book because my friend gave it to me back when we were in middle school. I was getting into 3.5 at the time and really gassing it up, and I guess she found the red book in her attic one day and brought it over and was like "look this is D&D too isn't that cool" and I read through it and thought it sucked. She got kind of angry after that (for obvious reasons—I was being a shit about it) but she left the book at my house and I hung on to it ever since.
Fast forward like a decade and now the book is one of my most treasured possessions. I haven't been in contact with my old friend for a while now, but I really ought to reach out...

>> No.77962639

/OSRG/ blogger tier list:
S: St. Aug, GFC, Alchemist Nocturne, Smokey the Owlbear, leveldrain, OSRG archive guy, Psionic Blast from the Past, Traipse, Metal Earth, Foreign Planets, Sidonia Knights guy
A: Skerples

That's right everyone: you're all kings

>> No.77962740

Except for Skerps, who is a queen, and therefore gets 0.82 of every point the others get.

>> No.77963109


>> No.77963121

That's very kind of you anon.

>> No.77963182

thanks king

>> No.77963206

>Resigns self to being assistant marquis of the underkitchens third class

>> No.77963508

ecelbs deserve the bullet regardless of how celeb and cool they are

>> No.77963790

Anon, I’m fart in the wind.

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>> No.77963873

dont worry about me, its not personal, i just like hating ecelebs, like everyone. its just one more thing to jerk off too.

>> No.77964058

Haven't run it, but it was pretty good on a read through:
>Evils of Ilmire, fantasy swamp, cults and such, dark
>What Ho Frog Demons, eastern euro, very fantastical to the absurd
>Dolmenwood, mythical forest, lots of interesting material, druids and goat people

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I’m sorry, anon, I’ve never had any drama. I feel like I’ve let you down.
Pic unrelated

>> No.77964721

I've got a Moldvay B but no X, whether Cook or Mentzer. I'd like a Cook but I'm not going to go out of my way for it. They are rare to encounter in the wild.

>> No.77965012

Posted this in the discord a bit ago, but I've changed some stuff.

This is a little setting/DM book I made for my friends for them to reference during the campaign we are about to start. I'd appreciate any feedback or suggestions.

>> No.77965043

what discord is this? How faggy is it?

>> No.77965318

you are literally breaking my heart, you have let me down.

but I will carry on.

>> No.77965418

seems pretty comfy.

anyone use https://donjon.bin.sh/adnd/dungeon/index.cgi
for quick dirty maps? seems like a good tool.

on another not. I posted this on solo, but it seems aicable here to, if you are doing a dungeon crawl You often go through a lot of corridors, so i think having a minor encounters table for corridors is a good idea. so ething that is usualmy pretty sparse, but keeps players on their toes and gives them a sense of being lived in passages:
in hall ways rolling a d12 with 2in12 being traps 1in12 being monsters 1in12 special 2in12 descriptive and 6in12 nothing.

>> No.77965514

I used to use donjon all the time but currently I just use a pirated copy of dungeon delver and make custom maps. Donjon would probably be useful in a pinch but it'd still take me like 15 minutes to put it together and I feel that would just kill the momentum of a session so I try to have all my dungeons put together before the session.

>> No.77965702

>this list
>constantly updated with new deaths
>all characters are white and male, almost all are human
Ah, so this is the face of TRVE OSR. I am feeling the ZOZ energy.

This is a shitpost, don't take it too serious.

>> No.77965750

NTA butIm the guy who fills his world with 20 different types of animal people
I blame dwarf fortress

>> No.77965964

>Why even live?
Because you can get as many POD copies of the Rules Cyclopedia as you want!

>> No.77966020

You know what they say, Moldvay rules, Mentzer drools.

>> No.77966034 [DELETED] 

The twelve 2hufags of /tg/
An incomplete list

>1 ???
>2 endafag
Makes a shit ton of rp accounts as earth seraph edna from the tales series
Is known to be obsessed with 4e and makes a shit ton of homebrew for the game
Frequently reported calling for player applications then ghosting games or throwing a hissy fit when they can’t powergame broken raw disallowed characters
As much as they try to spread disinformation which has been working mind you. To the contrary of that they would want you to believe they are actually very skilled with the English text format and can output large readable and well formatted blocks of text. For this reason they could be speculated to be European esl such as German
Widely infamous across many /tg/ adjacent places
Was last seen trying to attention whore v tubers
>3 mokuCHAD
Well Known for posting moku reaction images at humorously appropriate moments or to elicit a response by precisely and skilfully attempting to taunt an anon when flaming gets heated in various general’s especially /osrg/
Speculated to be multiple anons that share a similar sense of humour and culture
Also see moku posting on the wider internet
>4 greg
An elderly purist troll that was infamous on /osrg/ would attempt to sink threads with no surviving discussion if they veered even slightly off course even ad&d or 1:1 clones were not allowed
Claimed to have been playing the oldest version of d&d since whenever the fuck but at some point in time was replaced and impersonated by c[REDACTED]’s ftm trans identitarian alter ego
Certain features and attitudes of Greg have become staples of /osrg/ culture
Seriously? I can’t find any connection between this entry and touhou. Why is he even on the list
>5 kitsunefag
>Continued in part two

>> No.77966058

The twelve 2hufags of /tg/
An incomplete list

>1 ???
>2 endafag
Makes a shit ton of rp accounts as earth seraph edna from the tales series
Is known to be obsessed with 4e and makes a shit ton of homebrew for the game
Frequently reported calling for player applications then ghosting games or throwing a hissy fit when they can’t powergame broken raw disallowed characters
As much as they try to spread disinformation which has been working mind you. To the contrary of that they would want you to believe they are actually very skilled with the English text format and can output large readable and well formatted blocks of text. For this reason they could be speculated to be European esl such as German
Widely infamous across many /tg/ adjacent places
Was last seen trying to attention whore v tubers
>3 mokuCHAD
Well Known for posting moku reaction images at humorously appropriate moments or to elicit a response by precisely and skilfully attempting to taunt an anon when flaming gets heated in various general’s especially /osrg/
Speculated to be multiple anons that share a similar sense of humour and culture
Also see moku posting on the wider internet
>4 greg
An elderly purist troll that was infamous on /osrg/ would attempt to sink threads with no surviving discussion if they veered even slightly off course even ad&d or 1:1 clones were not allowed
Claimed to have been playing the oldest version of d&d since whenever the fuck but at some point in time was replaced and impersonated by c[REDACTED]’s ftm trans identitarian alter ego
Certain features and attitudes of Greg have become staples of /osrg/ culture
Seriously? I can’t find any connection between this entry and touhou. Why is he even on the list
>5 kitsunefag
>continued in part two

>> No.77966137

Lol wtf is this. it’s great post moar

>> No.77966424

I like the typeface, just not for its legibility. Maybe consider something easier for referencing? As in, sans serif, wide kerning, bolded titles.
Art is good, setting is good, page layout is good.
What is the typeface for the body text, BTW?

>> No.77966441

Good material and it's well organized. i could see the players referencing it while planning a trip. i had a tough time with the font but printed out i imagine it's easier to read.

>> No.77966505

makes sense.

>> No.77966693


>> No.77966904
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I've been busy lately with other projects (building a system to track planetary movement in my 3.x game, painting, and writing a kung fu rpg) so I haven't had any time to make maps.
I want to make some tomorrow. What do people want to see?

>> No.77967355


Greg was literally just a persona cavegirl made up so she could have a strawman to dunk on.

She does this a lot. One time someone posted something retarded like "im sorry i was mean to you, you earned my respect cavegirl"? That was her ip address.

t. Former janny

While we're at it, most anti skerples posting that was generic incoherent rage was just Skerples. He also loved to post questions amd then answer them with links to his blog - he's a fag

>> No.77967386


>former janny

what happened

>> No.77967401


one of the admins told me to stop deleting pro- lbgt posts even when they didnt break the rules and literally nothing else and I called them a thick-lipped nigger in response

>> No.77967425
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How's your uncle doing at Nintendo?

>> No.77967961


>responds to criticism of himself within 5 minutes

Do you have google alerts or something

>> No.77968079

Nah I just took all of Skerps filenames.

>> No.77968211

>that font
yeah nah

>> No.77968250

echoing what others have said, the font is neat looking but terrible to actually read

>> No.77968291

Zooanthropes rule!

>> No.77968301

I remember watching Ghost Stories on SpikeTV when I was wayyyyyyy too young for it. I think it came on after MXC, or maybe I'm just conflating the two because they were both comedic english dubs of japanese shows.

>> No.77968311

I can't help myself
>puts stoatmen into the hexcrawl that already has 13 other beastment

>> No.77968336

I refused to call my bat-men "bat men" so I called them "chiropteranthrocenes" and annoyed my players LMAO

>> No.77968437

The twelve 2hufags of /tg/
An incomplete list
>part 2/2 over hill and under hill

>5 kitsunefag
A collection of anons that plagued /pgg/ in its heyday and had the common traits of a obsession with a few of the following; kitsune, traps, tuplas, lewdness, erp, magical realm game and character ideas, touhou, and generally vaguely sexual weebshit trash. Edna was probably among their ranks but quite a few more existed within the board
Most of them I knew have morphed into FAT DOG WIFE posters
>7 ???
>8 ???
>9 yakumofag
Showed up on /osrg/ during the hectic times of 2020
Took advantage of the rampant trolls in the general and the infamy of the various 2hufags such as moku edna kitsune and the various weebs on /osrg/ and /tg/
Showed up with a fresh account to the bad osr discord probably to grab attention. Only a few posts were made there and he since vanished
Favourite tactics involved fucking with op’s to generate infamy, extreme friendliness and his main tactic of antagonising the callout trolls causing them to engage in their unique shitposting ability of accusing everyone else to be trolls
admitted to giving up trolling around the time when things started to clam down but can still be seen around these parts
Generally for some reason sticks to a principle of unconditional friendliness and is willing to engage with most anons on open terms
>10 ???
>11 ???
>12 ???
>this article is a skub you can help by expanding it

>> No.77968464

Nobody says that.

>> No.77968614

i thought i was 2hu.
why am i not on this list?

>> No.77968674

stealing the name for my adventure

>> No.77968703

>people can print their own
has anybody used lulu for this? how's the quality?

>> No.77968811

>the guy from leveldrain.
Vinter btw , not trying to e-celeb but I think it's better than "that guy"

>> No.77969407
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are kenkus OSR?

>> No.77969447

That's interesting - how does the river under the mountains flow? High plateau down through craggy ravines? Waterfall into a subterranean cistern, flowing as an aquifer to an artesian font on the other side?

>> No.77969968

pretty much any race can be if presented right, besides Kenku have been around since AD&D 1e so I'd say definitely

>> No.77970391

Aw, your paladin kicked it. That's too bad. I had high hopes for him.

>> No.77970447

What's everyone's opinion of various OSR Discords? I am having a hard time getting into Autarch's as all their links are dead, and I know the usual suspects really don't like them so I imagine it's comfy.

I find Discords good places to organize online play but alot of people say the big obvious ones for OSR content are insufferable.

>> No.77970535

there's the osrg one, it's pretty comfy


>> No.77970764

Has there been a written defense of THACO anywhere or do people just use it for tradition's sake?
Anyone know if there is a significant mathematical difference between it and typical conversions to Ascending AC?

>> No.77970828

tradition's sake. if gygax didn't start THAC0 and AC no one would feel the need to invent it. There's no difference between converting to AAC

>> No.77971063


99% of OSR stuff is written for DAC
1% is written for AAC
So if your game is running AAC you just added an obstacle, no matter how slight, in the name of modernity

>> No.77971070

Of Thac0, not that I've heard. Of DAC, yes. Basically, if you have plate+shield it's first-class armor. If you just have plate, it's second-class. Plus, it keeps the numbers bounded, because people have more of an aversion to going below 0 than they do above 20. Not that that ever stopped TSR D&D...

Mathematically, they're equivalent. They're one of the small handfuls of mechanical changes that are acceptably compatible in /osrg/.

Personally, I use a different system.

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>> No.77971456

I was really proud of the pun though, I had to do it. The Menzter hate here is pretty intense here sometimes, probably unnecessarily, but B/X is genuinely probably a better intro for a lot of people.

>> No.77971474

>Personally, I use a different system.
You running target 20 or something else?

>> No.77971861
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Anybody know of a B/X compatible sci-fi monster list? I'm using the H+H one but more ideas are good.

Worst case scenario, I just paint an ogre silver and glue a blaster pistol to it, boom, battle droid.

>> No.77971970

I'm bouncing between having it just flow through a valley or a subterranean river that hooks up to a Dwarven trade network

>> No.77971988

Come up with your own weird monster and copy a monster stat block+a save vs "whatev" special attack or something to zhuzh it up.

>> No.77972110

DAC is a hassle for the players and is therefore a more frequent as hassle than for DM's who can convert in their head. I don't want my players consulting tables.

>> No.77972286

The DM should be conducting all "attack" rolls behind the screen. If they are aware of the player's class, AC, and level they should easily be able to check a chart or even have the value memorized or noted. Not only does this solve the issue of DAC behind cumbersome for players, but it would also allow for the DM to easily convert to THAC0 or other systems that use the same math. It will also greatly speed up combat which your players will love.

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Why hasn't anyone tried to make another boxed game like B/X for sale in regular game stores. The one thing that puts of a lot of people from RPGs are the big rulebooks because a lot of people assume that you need to read all those pages in order to be able to play. When these games get packaged as board games with everything you need to play it tends to be pretty appealing to a wider audience and I think it's something that modern companies haven't tapped into enough. Those beginner boxes aren't as appealing as complete boxed systems because they usually only lasts you a couple of levels and then require you to buy the rules tome.

>> No.77972400

The Goodman Games version of The Random Esoteric Creature Generator as a base, pick and choose or roll at your discretion, if you want to make it intelligent pick gear appropriate to your setting. You will end up with a good variety of weird shit.

>> No.77972437

Boxes are more expensive than books, that's why TSR dumped them. You do see them about, SJG did both DFRPG and TFT Legacy Edition as box sets, and IIRC there's a box set of all the basic OSE booklets.

>> No.77972439

Who the fuck uses tables, just do roll + AC of the monster and see if it's equal or higher than your THAC0 lmao

>> No.77972447

>The DM should be conducting all "attack" rolls behind the screen
This is ify imo. Roll in the open. If you have players who count and track dice rolls good for them. You probably don't though.
They shouldn't have to refer to a chart. The player rolls attack, reads number aloud, DM tells them if its a hit or not. This allows for the savy to figure out what ACs of opponents are over time.

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Ed a cute

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>working on hexcrawl on a notepad
>draw hexes myself
>add hills, forest
>get triggered that hills area is too defined by little strings of hexes because its too small
>get annoyed that regions of land type are too small
>add rivers in semi logical locations
>realize that most towns will be along this river
>make river hexes farmland hexes
>add town
>realize each 6 mile hex should be a barony and thus have a town
>end up placing a ton of baronies along the river
>no room to write names
>towns in adjacent hexes trigger my autism
>clumps of hexes with dots in the center looks extremely unaesthetic
>can't go any smaller than 6 mile hexes because my area is small enough as it is drawing on a notepad
>decide to make a subhex for one barony
>almost finish drawing a full subhex map of a large hex with six 1 mile hexes inside
>make line slightly too long and fuck up the entire thing
Doesn't help that I have to draw in pen because I'm not allowed to have pencils at work but holy fuck is this frustrating. Every time I look at anons hex maps they look better than mine..I love splitting the world into discrete chunks I can continually expand and even randomly generate, it makes me think of minecraft terrain except a complete world. Problem is I can't even seem to make a small kingdom without abandoning it due to perfectionism as I try to make a perfect generic setting that also is interesting. I have a few good ideas but I keep wanting to "save them" for something else.

>> No.77972493

>Anyone know if there is a significant mathematical difference between it and typical conversions to Ascending AC?
LotFP makes all armor 1 point more protective and in Labyrinth Lord, leather armor provides only 1 point of protection rather than two, and I'm sure there are plenty of other individual changes in other games as well, but none of these are as a result of the conversion process as DAC converts cleanly to AAC. Subtract DAC from a number (usually 19 to 21) to get AAC, and subtract THAC0 from the exact same number to get your attack bonus, and that's all there is to it.

As far as to why you'd want to use THAC0... habit, tradition and ease of compatibility.

>> No.77972507

If boxes are more expensive how come the 5e box sets are cheaper than the core books? And the Fantasy Trip box is more of a deluxe set, I'm talking more like B/X with short and simple rules that are easy for people of all ages to quickly pick up and play.

>> No.77972535

>I got 99 problems but autismal inability to make compromises between DM verisimilitude and gameplay for a hex crawl no one is going to play ain't one
Dude, just print out some hex paper. There are various formats. I'm fairly sure there's one that has
>large scale hex outline with smaller scale interior hexes
that you can link up as need be.
No pencils because of the graphite dust?

>> No.77973010

Do a point crawl. Have two maps, one with common knowledge stuff like cities towns and rivers and another with points of interest.
I never use hexes. It’s not mandatory.

>> No.77973025

>I don't want my players consulting tables.
It’s on the character sheet bro

>> No.77973033

Thoughts on Delving Deeper, White Box:Fantastic Medieval Adventure Game, Iron Falcon and OD&D?
Which one do you prefer the most? (Regardless of accuracy) and why?

>> No.77973039

All combat rolls should be in the open.

>> No.77973064

OSE is a boxed game BX.

>> No.77973067

What are these all? Like sixth generation clones and the products of CRT-V and inbreeding?

>> No.77973070

Oh and Sword & Wizardry, but I feel like WB:FMAG outclasses it.

>> No.77973088

They're all OD&D Retroclones, with the exception of OD&D

>> No.77973092

I’ve only read OD&D, the books are small and simple enough that I’ve never felt the need for anything else. If you already understand how to play TSR D&D, then you don’t need anything else

>> No.77973136

How many D&D’s do you own, anon? I just have the one (BX). I can’t see buying it over and over. Do you own the Labyrinth Lord Pumpkin Spice edition?

>> No.77973152

I have every edition of TSR D&D, including box sets and some POD, and a bunch of modules and supplements

>> No.77973208
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Reminds me of this post from another anon. I wonder if you have actually run TSR D&D how much of that is filling the gaps of OD&D with AD&D.

I'm specifically asking for preferences between these, as they all have different interpretations and differences coming from the original rules. I really don't care for accuracy because I would just get OD&D instead. I own B/X and WB:FMAG, but have PDFs of 1e, 2e, OD&D and a lot of retroclones. I use B/X along with OSE in PDF for clarity but I didn't buy it :^).

>> No.77973246

>how much of that is filling the gaps of OD&D with AD&D.
A lot
OD&D is more of a toolkit than a game. That’s what makes it so welcoming to homebrewing and hacking

>> No.77973284

>Reminds me of this post from another anon
Anon who wrote that here, that is basically the easiest way to play OD&D effectively. I've found it immensely satisfying to try and collect as much info about the game's prehistory and style of play in order to not have to backport rules and ideas from later versions, but it is undeniably the easiest way to go about it.

>> No.77973460

If you were to keep the six ability scores the same but had to change some or all of the names, what would you change? Personally I like "Deftness" instead of Dexterity.

>> No.77973541

To answer myself here with some clarifications:
Delving Deeper is based on the LBB (But includes the Thief class), is very complete and contains some interesting interpretation of the rules.
WB:FMAG is also based only on the LBB (Also including the Thief as an optional class), but much more streamlined. It's an updated version of S&W:White Box.
Iron Falcon is LBB+Greyhawk supplement, but seems rather incomplete, missing a few core ruels.
S&W has a bunch of editions, ranging from the previously mentioned LBB only White Box, a regular "Core" version including content from Greyhawk and a Complete version including content from all seven OD&D books. It is more streamlined than accurate.

>> No.77973802

Im the alchemist nocturne guy. Thank you king hahaha it shocked me to see my blog being named without me shilling it.

>> No.77973915

Also Brain

>> No.77973942

>Hey guys welcome to _______, a channel where I focus on OSR games
>So yeah I got into Dungeons and Dragons about 5 years ago
Every time

>> No.77973966

>You can't learn enough about a topic in five years to be able to make content about it.
Fuck off, boomer retard.

>> No.77973981

At least they developed taste quickly.

>> No.77974107

It is pretty weird: you can earn a phd in that time. Kind of chuckling thinking about all those people with degrees pretending to know anything about their field.

>> No.77974166

No pencils because it can be erased to falsify records. I've considered just bringing one of those brand of mechanical pencils that look just pens of the same name, could probably get away with it, but idk if the ban was real or just on using them on work stuff. I should print out hex paper but I never feel any inspiration anymore or even in the mood to work on it. I feel like I need a few months of unemployment to get my creative mojo back. I could easily afford it but then I'd have to start fresh somewhere else. Hmmm.

Frankly I miss the part time office job I had. I couldn't go on chans but I could go on dndtools and pf wiki back when I was running pf and make NPCs while pretending to do work. Need to find something comfy like that again.

i was gonna do a point crawl but the freedom of choosing frlm seversl dungeons to explore is part of why i like a west marches campaign style. but the ides of several megadungeons being eithin a half days walk beocmes strains credulity and its not really west marches if you keep travelling back and forth.

>> No.77974223

I've switched Wisdom to Willpower in my shitbrew.

>> No.77974271
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Is D&D 3.0 (NOT 3.5) old enough to call OSR? It's pretty much just AD&D remade into the d20 system. It also pays respects to old school flavor much more than newer editions.

>> No.77974276

Metamorphosis Alpha?

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>> No.77974301

OSR isn't about how old something is, it is not like 'retro' where eventually more things become 'retro'.
>It also pays respects to old school flavor much more than newer editions.
How so?

>> No.77974313

>he fell for the troll instantly

>> No.77974319

If it lacks the dungeon crawl procedures, it's not OSR. D&D3 has some neat ideas but it is not suitable for the oldschool style of play, regardless of what flavor it may have.

>> No.77974324

I don't think it does, but I have mad nostalgia for vanilla 3rd ed as it was where I started at.

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Sorry, I don't immediately start seething at curious yet wrong questions. But you are right, let's go back to the thread topic of which e-celeb we hate the most.

>> No.77974478

>which e-celeb we hate the most.

>> No.77974481

Oh, I put points all over the map, anon. That’s why the players get a map with some stuff on it. It’s a start. It’s also useful to have mystery paths, like an underground canal or somwhere so you can get the players good and fucking lost. My guys loved that.

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>> No.77974543
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Now now, it was only a joke. We should be discussing which old-school module we (Each anon individually) hate the most.
I'll get the obvious one out of the way and say N2 The Forest Oracle.

>> No.77974577

OSR doesn't mean anything a particular person happens to feel is old: it's about capturing a specific playstyle that was only supported in editions prior to third.

>> No.77974584

>which e-celeb we hate the most.
Zak for me. He may not be the biggest faggot of the faggot bunch, but being a degenerate porn actor is more despicable to me than whatever petty annoying shit other e-celebs have done.

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>> No.77974613

And even then only partially, the general OSR playstyle was fleeting from the moment D&D was released.

>> No.77974639

>there are "people" unironically replying to 77974271

>> No.77974665

Tharizdune because it's just a giant cave. The later levels of ToEE because they're kinda boring

>> No.77974692

Even better, there’s this moron >>77974434 DEFENDING his decision to fall for the bait

>> No.77974719

There are currently two d&d starter box sets available with everything you need to play included, anon

>> No.77974731

I don't play old school modules, I only like art house stuff like DCO

>> No.77974756
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>Yelling at a cloud is better thread contribution than answering a possibly malicious question related to the topic at hand.
Have a table to roll on.

>> No.77974762

Does anyone know if there's an OSR Element / Mastadon for those among us who don't want to use Discord because we're not furry trannies?

>> No.77974769

Let me give you some cream to assuage that butthurt

>> No.77974786
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You could mention your least favorite of those, then.

>> No.77974791

I don't think so, I'd like to see one though.

>> No.77974835
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Ok rate my wip map

>> No.77974856

How'd you manage to get such a blue tint on that picture? That wasn't intentional, was it?

>> No.77974866
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so you were acting retarded, got called out, and decided to double-down?

>> No.77974886

jokes on you I don't actually play

a hex map is as good as the stuff that's in the hexes anon!

>> No.77974924
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Autarch's is good. Lots of good advice, helpful people.

>> No.77974969

I like that you drew in the hexes by hand. That’s some dedication.
It’s a completely acceptable map.

>> No.77974970

Just made one, come on in.

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10/10 for hand-drawn hexes. It's hell.

Probably took the picture outside or under weird fluorescent lighting

>> No.77975087

NAYRT, and original post was obvious bait, but I will say that it surprised me to find out how different 3.0 psionics were from 3.5, closer to AD&D psionics (while still recognizably 3.X, of course- it's not AD&D).

>> No.77975098
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The point I'm trying to make is that a B/X style game could reach a wider audience if it came as a complete boxed game with an accessible manual, dice and other such stuff. The OSE box is made for and appeal to people already into the OSR.

>> No.77975230

>Adventure Conqueror King Similar to 1e
nigga what? Its literally B/X with a few extra mechanics.

>> No.77975249

Bad white balance on phone camera yeah

>> No.77975253

1/10 for effort, you might as well be using hexographer with how generic those tiles are

>> No.77975258

Tell me about the Rotting Wastes, if you would.

>> No.77975263

What do anons here think of the BARFLIP method of rolling ability scores? I think it might be my new default. To me it feels like the sweet spot, not as restrictive as the B/X method but not as permissive as the AD&D method. And it results in equally viable characters every time without doing something soulless like point buy or standard matrix.

>> No.77975268

>a hex map is as good as the stuff that's in the hexes anon!
I suppose that true but it doesn't stop me from obsessing over the look of it

>> No.77975312

Incredibly fucking gay pdf, anon. I recommend you right click the icon and press the "delete" button in your operating system's file managing program so as to avoid the temptation of ever posting it again.

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>> No.77975495

If you think "Made in Abyss" should be in the "recommended media" sections you really need to be diagnosed for autism because holy fucking shit. What is wrong with you?

Don't post this pdf again. If you have to re-make it then AT LEAST use the recommended media that is ACTUALLY IN the classic versions of D&D.

>> No.77975511

w-why didnt you just print out a hex pattern on printer paper from the internet if you are doing it by hand?

>> No.77975572

Made in Abyss is a neat dungeon crawl story.
Just because you get triggered by loli doesn't stop it from being so.

>> No.77975578

Step 1: Set all stats to a default of 6.
Step 2: Roll d6 down the line, adding the result to each stat.
Step 3: Add the "flipped" results of step 2 (1 on a 6, 2 on a 5, etc.) to your stats as desired.
This results in an average ability score of 13, a little higher than the typical method for AD&D. You can set the defaults to 4 for an average of 11 when playing B/X, this makes scores of 17 and 18 impossible but considering how rare they are anyways that's not a big deal for me.

>> No.77975672

You could also buy isometric grafting paper for architects. The isometric lines actually converge to form hexes that you can use to map.

>> No.77975946
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Palladium Fantasy discussed in here? Derived from TSR D&D, but not mechanically compatible.

If so, anyone play it and thought of the new book? (Garden of the Gods)

>> No.77976715

The idea is a wasteland where zombie wyverns hunt for various zombified giant insects some of which can breathe clouds of necrotic energy. Also ulgirstasas and temples of kyuss but I might change it up to avoid copying existing IPs. I just really like kyuss, like kept of tg seems to.

Yeah I've tried to avoid making too many types of biomes or land to keep it simple for random weather tables, random foraging tables, etc.

>> No.77976778

Because I can't bring that to work and work on it. I used to flat out chill in the back of my old job with a clipboard and make full on dungeons, even brought hardcopy books. I used to run 5e at the flgs up the road from my job. I'd finish my shift, walk to meet my friends at the restaurant next door, then go up the road to the flgs and play til like 9pm. I'd give anything for those days back, even if it meant I had to play 5e again.

>> No.77977094

I'm very curious to play the 1st edition. What do you think of it? The 2nd looks good only to steal stuff from, the idea of making it "megaversal" turns me off

>> No.77977172

Neat, thanks for the explanation

>> No.77977197

>I can't bring that to work and work on it.
Well, I can only have respect for your dedication, I have a hard time thinking any job really has a problem with you bringing hex paper if you are already making it yourself.

But power to you man, If you like doing all by hand thats your business.

>> No.77977256
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Watched pic related last night for the first time and thought it was a great DnD adventure, especially sneaking into the cave lair and fighting their way out. It was a nice change of pace from most movies that need the epic climactic battle into the enemy base where they fight 500 foes and survive.


>> No.77977259

If they see me doodling in a notepad they'll think I'm writing coordinates or figures or numbers. If I bring hexpaper and clipboard they'll know I'm trying to goof off. Also I've gained a weird satisfaction from making it myself, like I don't need to consider my maps special and obsess over them like I did when I printed 1 or 2 sheets. Went on vacation 2 years ago and brought some hexpaper but only 5 sheets so every time I didn't like the end result I got frustrated. Shoulda printed 20....

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I have actually never played the first edition, i've only heard its pretty different. I find the "megaversal" system pretty fun, its mostly just MDC that ruins it because a lot of the fun rules are for SDC stuff and become irrelevant in like Rifts.

>> No.77977373

Fuck yeah man, watched it too on /osrg/'s recommendation. Simple and good fun. Felt like a Robert E Howard story.

>> No.77977449

How hard is it for the average party to beat a dragon in OSRP games? Ive never played anything older than 3.5

>> No.77977461

I love that movie.

>> No.77977528

The best palladium RPG product was the TMNT series with its mini game
Mutant animal character creation.

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I guess I can see that.

Personally, I use a tablet and pen for everything, so its not much of a hastle to load up a hex background and go to town.

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>> No.77978121

>Now now, it was only a joke.
Hi skerples.

>> No.77978207

No. Go make a rifts thread or some shit. >>77977094
Its a bad ruleset akin to runequest or orther shit where people try and make it more accurate or realistic or other bad ideas that are then poorly implemented, impossibly organized, defended rabidly and only revised under pain of death.

>> No.77978280

What program? I've been looking for a new one since medivsng got filled up with ads.

>> No.77978360

Doing a dwarf-only campaign

>> No.77978427

And where's Beer's brother, Booze?

>> No.77978491

>4-10 room dungeon
Shadow Elf Gaol
I included a table that probably won't post correctly if I just post the line-by-line, so here's a pdf. Bon appetit.

>> No.77978532

>Athletics - attack bonus (melee and ranged)
>Agility - movement speed and AC bonus
>Constitution - hp and checks vs fatigue
>Knowledge - skills, lore, spells
>Willpower - bonus to all saving throws, intuition
>Charisma - reactions, bonus luck points (re-rolls per day)

>> No.77978615

>Swinging melee weapons and shooting bows/crossbows/slings
>Checks vs fatigue
I hope you seriously don't roll intuition, no game needs a "Common sense roll"

>> No.77978647

I'm gonna be honest with you I have never made a nonwhite character or even considered making one. I don't have an issue with them I just never make them. Even a novel i wrote with 30+ characters I drew little doodles of all of them and none were black except for one I added later as literal tokenism in the truest sense of the word. And yes almost all are human because why would an elf with 3 hit points go adventuring? Why risk 900 years of life? If I was gonna live that long I wouldn't adventure til I was 700 at least. Actually that's an interesting concept for elf adventurers, in terms of fitting into the OSR and the fatalistic mindset.

Yeah I did as well. Though I question the place of a paladin in a game that revolves around getting treasure, and we also didn't fight many evil creatures, just generic dungeon denizens. The skeletons were really the only evil things. I was far more sad over my level 5 fighter dying. He had armor, a shield, a sword, a helmet, good stats. I was hoping he'd make it to level 9 and be a lord. The other high level fighters are only that level because we got a massive amount of treasure in one room so they ended up with a ton of XP to the point that they had to level up one session at a time despite having enough to go up 4 at once because otherwise it didn't make sense.

>> No.77978696

>using graph paper
This is where you fucked up. You're going to need to eyeball the hex spacing and do it on lined paper, graph paper is just another set of parallel lines confusing the look. I tried it with graph paper and couldn't handle it.

>> No.77978743

I like it, saved for future use. Good job anon!

>> No.77978776
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You could copy one of these ahead of time into your notebook. Goof off efficiently.

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>> No.77978791

I'll do it.
With attack matrices your attack "bonus," so to speak, is baked in. Then when you stack bonuses (from high stats, situational bonuses, and magic weapons, as well as simply leveling up), you don't get to the point where you're adding +7 to a roll, but rather you're adding somewhere between +1 to +4 and comparing your roll to your attack matrix. It just keeps things that tiny bit neater.

However, the difference is minimal and DAC is a bit of a sacred cow, I'll admit. I still use it though.

>> No.77978808

I like Delving Deeper. It has some good rules for generating maps and features, a few acceptable homebrew rules and a good, clean layout with art on the covers only.
As far as I know it is an abandoned project, up to v4 with an unstable v5. There is a docx for it if you want to edit it to your own liking.

>> No.77978937
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Hey fellas, what's my opinion of the new Whitehack 3e?

>> No.77978962

INT = ERUdition (your book-smarts). Helps break players out of the "I HAVE 3 INT SO I'D CHARGE THE MINOTAUR XD" mindset
CHA = BeauTY. Helps break characters out of the "BUT I HAVE 18 CHARISMA I SEDUCE THE DRAGON XD" mindset

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>> No.77979427
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5e Wildernesd kit has a couple printer paper sized hex maps

>> No.77979559

I've been on this shitty fucking site too long when I misread your typo as "Wildersneed"
Anyway, you can just make your own hexmaps in GIMP as well. https://spriggans-den.com/2019/05/01/turning-any-map-into-a-hex-map-with-gimp/

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>> No.77979826

I'd add WhiteBox Fantasy Medieval Adventure Game to this post.
It's super cheap, supports both modern conveniences (such as single save and ascending AC) and is even simpler than BFRPG (e.g. the Thief class is msssively simplified and IMHO improved with the Thievery skill), and on top of all that the art doesn't look like crap (I'd honestly have preferred an artless version of BFRPG). Overall a great retroclone for vets and newcomers alike.
Besides I just think OD&D is the superior version of D&D.

>> No.77979834

Seems kind of lame. No thanks.

Maybe elves also have teenage years where they do incredibly risky and dumb things just like humans do?

>> No.77979905
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I use Black Blade Publishing’s hex paper for my campaign overland maps. I believe you have to email
Them to order it’s

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>> No.77979956

4d4+2 down the line, no reordering, no point swapping. If your character is too weak, you get stuck with a commoner class.

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>> No.77979995

4d6 drop lowest down the line OR 3d6 arrange to taste

>> No.77980002

MiA is another case of great setting, shitty story. But its also basically Cave Story: The Anime so I cant trash it too badly

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>> No.77980043

Same but 12d2-6

>> No.77980058

>no mention of any books whatsoever
>shitty anime
Please be better anon

>> No.77980078

I totally get that, having worked for Stats Can during the census. Still wish someone hadn't snatched the artwork of The Morrigan I drew in the last few weeks of it...

>> No.77980152

dogshit pdf. Never post it again.

>> No.77980190

I miss the old font. Other than that it seems pretty cool. Some new rules, some clarification of older rules. Single column layout. It's not a radically different.

>> No.77980192

If I end up significantly expanding it I'll add Whitebox to it. Thanks for the suggestion, I'm also way more into OD&D (LBBs specifically) than B/X.

>> No.77980236

What's the business about custom ability lists and rules for modern settings? The preview of the pdf shows no rules or anything

>> No.77980308

>Maybe elves also have teenage years where they do incredibly risky and dumb things just like humans do?
I suppose that's a possibility. I think they also might have wanderlust from being in their villages so much.

>> No.77980331

Deep Carbon Observatory - Part 4

My party killed the witch in the water, had their first real encounter with the crows and decided to restore Pollnagollum to its former "glory"


>> No.77980499

if you do 6 stats, nothing that you do will really satisfy you like the 6 classic stats will. Believe me, Ive tried before. You will do better by re-defining what they mean (for example, I've done it so Intelligence measures some thief skills, and wisdom defines all magic)

>> No.77980506

What happened to the OSR Trove?

>> No.77980559

Nothing, it's still there

>> No.77980727
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eh, its not really a program. I have a ReMarkable tablet which is basicly a kindle with writing capabilities. Ink screen, no light, doesnt really have an operating system, but can import/export pdf's and ebooks and notes and has a layer, object movement, and background function..

Use it for taking notes and marking on books mostly, but works pretty bloody amazing for mapping and solo rpg's since i can move around objects on different layers. basically acting like roll20 or maptools, but more tactile. good in between between physical miniature making and virtual.

The should be programs like it on ios and and windows stuff though

>> No.77980770

the Armenians took it.

>> No.77980782

Glad you enjoyed it.

>> No.77980979

>taste, subject matter

>> No.77982452


>> No.77982529

Delving Deeper is a neat little compact version of the OD&D rules, and it has one of my favorite covers of any OSR product, Timothy Ide should really be used more in OSR works

>> No.77982657

Do you really need to draw hexes though or can you just offset grids of squares and get the same effect (picture a brick wall)

>> No.77982789

rules cyclopedia is BECMI perfected. you can defer to some ad&d 1e or 2e content if you later want to broaden it, like adding in some ad&d spells or monsters.

>> No.77982851
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hit points are not meat points and count as grit
character's do not become incapacitated at zero hit points. hit point's do not drop below zero
instead of flesh. damage in excess of a targets current hit points make the character reference a damage type specific dark heresy style critical damage table

>> No.77982858

I use donjon a ton. I often import to dungeon scrawl to mess around with the maps

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How to solo GM Godbound? By solo I mean 1x1, one GM and one Player (that isn't the GM).

>> No.77982900

You seem to have missed the connection between
>We probably should have a whole pastebin in the OP for that about OSE, BFRPG, LL, OSRIC and other nu-OSR stuff
>pp 3 and 4
as the point relevant to the project at hand.

Regardless, since you obviously were not here two-three years ago when Anon put this together over multiple iterations based on suggestions made in this thread, how about you follow >>77961919's lead and pitch in to make a better round-up of osr-related media? Each of you take a category and curate a new list with input from the thread. (Don't forget the hyperlinks.) When you're done I'll put them together--just for (you)-- in a unified format under a nice old-school Trampier cover.

>> No.77982909

Just do damage after hp goes to stats based on the damage type. Roll under the newly damaged stat or suffer crippling injury related to the stat and received damage origin.
Any stat hitting 0 means death.

>> No.77982915

Not sure, but I'd suggest checking out Scarlet Heroes, written by the same guy. It's a solo game, 1 on 1. Good luck!

Is your player playing the foxgirl?

>> No.77982956

>Is your player playing the foxgirl?
It's just eyecandy.

>> No.77983001

do it anon <3

>> No.77983068

OD&D itself, obviously. A large part of the magic of OD&D simply can't be replicated.

>> No.77983073

>hit points are not meat points and count as grit
Then why does losing HP to a venomous monster incur a save vs. poison?

>> No.77983107

based mentzerposter

>> No.77983127

The main body of the text uses a cancer font as others have pointed out but the high gothic font for the titles is actually really cool and i'd like to know where you got it

>> No.77983138

I would say that every bit of HP damage you take reflects physical damage to your body, but that 1 HP of damage on a wizard with 4 HP is like getting stabbed in the arm 1 HP of damage on a fighter with 20 HP is like a light scratch on the shoulder.

The fighter doesn't have more HP because he'd be THAT much less harmed by getting stabbed in the arm, but because he's better at avoiding getting stabbed as badly and better at fighting through the pain.

Kind of like how if you fight a boxer and you fight an out-of-shape couch potato, you'll probably be able to hurt the latter worse with the same amount of effort, but a bullet to the head isn't going to hurt the couch potato by a wider margin.

>> No.77983206

>pedophile seething that his favorite pedophile cartoon is correctly identified as such

>> No.77983386


>> No.77983442

So, I'm watching The Secrets of Blackmoor, and they're talking about how Strategos was this really complex game that made a sincere effort to simulate war. I'm not interested in playing a historical wargame, but I'm curious... I know it wouldn't be OSR, but are there any games that have created really detailed, complex rules for realistic (to the extent that fantasy can be realistic) medieval or Renaissance fantasy RP?

I think it would be fun to do solo play of something like that and see what patterns emerge out of that as inspiration for DMing lighter games like B/X.

>> No.77983464

>Strategos was this really complex game that made a sincere effort to simulate war
Strategos is clunky but not that absurdly complex, the referee element is definitely the most interesting part as far as wargaming is concerned.

>> No.77983503

That's fair. I guess it was just more complex than what they were used to, playing mostly popular wargames of the decade. Regardless, any relatively complex medieval fantasy RPGs I should look into? Looks like it'll be a few months yet before enough of the population is vaccinated that I can actually go out and do anything.

>> No.77983847

What we have learned fom the internet is that a LOT of people, especially fat neckbeard manchildren, have a deep and burning need for you to shower them with approval while they jerk off.

Sometimes this is literal and occurs through telecommunications. But sometimes it is semi-figurative where a person's whole identity is giggling and tickling their genitals while they frame some kind of puerile narrative around the fact that they have been sexualized by cartoon animals or children or actively shitting assholes or whatever stupid, shameful crap infected their brains.

Everyone has been enticed by something that they probably should leave alone for the sake of their own dignity, self-respect and cultural mores. But if you are a shitty person and cannot process these feelings correctly, you can reach out over the internet and seek approval for them instead. You can find like-minded goblins and people who will tell you that whatever you want is fine. You can find people who will philosophically celebrate your lack of restraint.

End result: A gamer community full of people who think just about any context is fine to haul out their goofy sexual attention-seeking shit and wallow in it while somebody else is more-or-less compelled to watch.

>> No.77983915

didnt read, pedo seethe

>> No.77983920

Sometimes Hit Points are Meat Points, sometimes they aren't. Shit's contextual.

>> No.77983968

based retard

>> No.77984126

>Then why does losing HP to a venomous monster incur a save vs. poison?
It doesn't. There are monsters that do *no* HP damage and still provoke a save vs. poison. This is just you misunderstanding an element of the damage system.

>> No.77984538


do you have any idea how many non-whites and non-straights moderate 4chan now? They tipped over the halfway point in 2017.

>> No.77984552

>stop that. do youre job

>> No.77984584


yeah? it's called a chad move.

>> No.77984638

I was hoping for an android app but that's okay I'll look into getting one of those.

>> No.77984723

not even based you retard

>> No.77984894

What about arrows? Do they just miss the Magic-User and the breeze generated from the arrow knocks the wind out of him?

>> No.77984910

You fall into the spike pit trap, you take 6 damage.
Your bum hurts a little from the fall.

>> No.77984911

its funny actually

>> No.77985101

Has anyone played Gamma World? What is it like?

Also in terms of more modern systems has anyone used Savage Worlds or Stars Without Number and ran it with a more old-school bend?

>> No.77985128

>Stars Without Number
In case you don't know, the secret behind this is that it's actually just B/X with shit slapped on top, so it's very compatible with oldschool play.

>> No.77985204

Yeah, SWN is just B/X with some ideas from Traveller blended in. I think it's done really well and I don't mean anything against the game on that basis at all. But that's literally what it is.

I might get a physical copy of it at some point though.

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The first edition of gamma world was great but also pretty janky at the seams
Later editions had some cool shit but we’re too crunchy from memory
Adventure and locale Supplements for gamma world were gud filled with wacky shit and were pretty sandboxy

>> No.77985359

How do you guys describe taking damage if someone has more than 2HD of HP? Does the breeze just knock the wind out of them? Do they get butt hurt from the spikes pointy shadows?
No. You describe flesh wounds, super fiscal injury, etc. Same thing.
I think that anon's crit chart is retarded fiddly though.

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Fun question
How well do you think your osr playgroup would fare against s.t.a.l.k.e.r./roadside picnic style anomalies in a gamma world type game

>> No.77985676

Raggi looks a lot better as a woman. Hope no poo-poo gets in his axe wound.

>> No.77985784

You want my Godbound bestiary that I converted using the book's rules for 1 PC? Basically I removed multiple actions, toned down the saving throws, multiple attacks and straight die damage. I also slashed enemy Effort so the PC always has more Effort than them (just like a regular sized party). For HD totals, I used Scarlet Hero monsters as a guideline, where 25 HD is a big fucking deal. It ran well, but my player isn't that interested in combat anyway, so YMMV.

When this campaign restarts, I'm toying with the idea of multiplying all Dominion gain (from cults, adventures etc) by 4. I want the PC to massively reshape the setting like a full party and my house rule of giving dominion by killing Word-bound enemies wasn't enough.

>> No.77985827

I didn't know that actually. I just heard about them recently and haven't yet dived in. I'll shortlist SWN.

I really like science fantasy stuff and Gamma World was on the more bizarre end of the spectrum from what I understand. Where does Savage Worlds draw its roots from?

>> No.77985897

>Where does Savage Worlds draw its roots from?
Deadlands/Rail Wars. I like the deadlands setting but it and savage worlds are pretty far from osr. There's some vague crossover in both being reactions to 3pf dnd bullshit requiring too much prep and being a slog to play, but that's about it.

>> No.77985992

>I'll look into getting one of those.
only if it really speaks to you bud, they are way too expensive for what they are, I got mine for a steal, abd even that was a bit much.

also, aren’t androids on the windows os? again, not certain of specific programs, but all you need is a layer function, a select tool, and a drawing function for everything you need. There has to be one out there.

>> No.77986011

really not that different from a normal trickroom style dungeon, so fair enough.

>> No.77986058

Meltzer himself is a ponce, and I play BX via OSE almost exclusively anymore, but if i were to play something built for higher level play RC would be my first choice.

>> No.77986159

>Deadlands/Rail Wars.
To elaborate, the original Deadlands system was simplified down for the Great Rail Wars wargame, and then built up into an RPG again to become Savage Worlds.

>> No.77986224

Made me think of Kingdom of Loathing

>> No.77986307

All the poo-poo is in your pants

>> No.77986347

The poo-poo is in your fake vagina, Gygax hater. Stop using the wrong bathroom.

>> No.77986501

No vagina real or fake been anywhere near your pants so no. Never said anything about Gygax. Stop using your pants as a bathroom, retard

>> No.77986521

>the poo-poo is in your fake vagina, Gygax hater
Alright, fess up. Who's been shitting in my fleshlight?

>> No.77986572

Hahaha! Good work, tranny shitposter. You have rendered Greg Gygax speechless.

>> No.77986625

I hate this thread

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>> No.77986647

It's the least worst thread on /tg/.

>> No.77986734

It's the best place to discuss OSR and it sucks

>> No.77986760

I hate this thread
And it hates me
We're all locked in
But just because
We really care
Whenever we hate, we share.

I'm hating on Gygax, he's hating on FOEs
Greg's hating on everyone. (Buy why?) God only knows.

Anon's hating on twitter, we all hate DCC
And everybody knows DCC
Hates /osrg/.

>> No.77986819

Dude, what is your problem? The anon who wrote
> All the poo-poo is in your pants
obviously cares a lot about the quality of the thread and you start taking jabs at their gender dysphoria? Not cool.

>> No.77986933

>super fiscal injury
The IRS strikes again!

>> No.77986983

I'm hating on OC, e-celebs hate fun.
Anon hates anyone who talks about the games they'll never run.
He's hating on pronouns, zee's hating on him.
And everyone we know likes to hate
(or at least mock)
Greasy Jim.

Jim hates employment, anon hates 3d6.
Zak hates Nazis (only) and stops by to get his fix.
Anon hate dungeon crawling while /anon/ hates overland.
Anon thinks this shitposting is getting out of hand.

But I'm hating on OC, anon hates B2.
Anon hates everyone who posts.
It doesn't matter who.
It might have been a hexcrawl, a complaint or weaboo
And if you post something useful then we might.
(I said "might").
Start hating on you.

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>> No.77987446

Based poetry anon

>> No.77987898

Sorry for the late response, I've been at work and didn't have my book on me.
There isn't a ton there for the modern stuff, like two or three pages of tips like "basic guns do 1d6 damage, two handed guns 1d6+1." Some ideas for keeping track of ammo for modern guns, replacing abilities for the Strong with more modern equivalents, computer hacking, implants... it's written deliberately vaguely so you could also reuse the system for other things. Similar to the "corruption" rules which could be magical corruption or radiation or cyberpsychosis or whatever.

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luv haow thine legEND distorts over time
originally my persona was created as a faux boogieman for this general
yet that purpose is no longer needed
>>77966058 >>77968437's posts are spot on
if i it's who i think it is cheers you magnificent bastard

sayonara i doubt ill feel the need to troll this place again soon unless tis all in good fun
may the balance of cestree rage and ribbon be within you. long live the spirit of old /tg/ that we chose to hold within our heart's
troll gallantly with sincerity honor naivety and virtue
we shall solemnly swear to be willing to forgive yet never forget

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>I have been many years running adventure games called tabletop role-playing games. From youth my heart has been inclined towards adventure games.
>I have spent many hours considering role-playing games, searching for the principle of the game, and have come to realize its nature.
>There are many who will tell you a way. But I have lived without following any particular way. Thus, I practise many arts—all things with no teacher.
>The room is a space that the game takes place within. Familiarity with that space is what grounds the game.
>Traps are threats within those spaces. Handling them impartially should be the same for every referee. It is necessary to have this knowledge as a part of your normal life.
>Tricks have an essence of quicksilver. They allow change and creativity, both in the encounter and in the game at large.
>Playing a fair game with deceptions and dilemmas requires a certain spirit, one of service to a role, with no beginning or end. When you gain this spirit, you will know the rhythm of any situation. It will be effortless.
Jesus fucking Christ, Courtney Campbell. I just wanted a book about traps that allow for player agency. Why the fuck did you have to write like a cunt. This book doesn't deserve this great cover.

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Courtney Campbell is a nut.

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>> No.77988288

Adam was a chimp, Eve was a pig. Or possibly the other way around.

>> No.77988292

The three of you: filtered. It's autists like Courtney who keep the spirit of games alive by delievering books made out of sheer indulgence in their special interest. I couldn't give less of a shit if he believes humans & pigs are related, everyone has weird niche thoughts and ideas. If you don't you're probably oversocialized.

My favorite part is in one of the Megadungeon zines when he goes full United Field when describing the process of creatinǵ megadungeons. Or on another part where he says it's all real and part of his dreams and by writing he liberates himself of the infinite floors of the dungeon he builds around himself.

>> No.77988335

He can do whatever it is you say he's doing and still be a nut. He's been a pseudointellectual nut for years, and, as he gets older and less welcome, he's getting nuttier.

>> No.77988352

>less welcome
Less welcome where? Here? On 4chan of all fucking places?
He's like Venger in the sense that he sticks to his corner of the web, produces stuff and doesn't get too loud. Unlike Venger it's pretty good.

>> No.77988353

CC writes stuff that LOOKS very useful but is only marginally so because of excessive autism. Like for example the NPC-reaction-dialogue thing that would be great in Pool of Radiance for the PC but would be a hassle to use at the table and there's no reason to do so anyway when you have a living, breathing DM to play the NPCs.
The best thing he produced was the Treasures generator.

>> No.77988367 [DELETED] 

You will never pass as a woman.

>> No.77988389

Yeah like Venger, except less needy. Venger just wants people to review his book. Why won't you review his book? He'll pay you. Send you a free copy. Anything.

>> No.77988482

Not that hard for a level 3-4 party if they can ambush it before it can breathe. They don't have that many hit points. A few characters may die, but the survivors will be rich. If it has advantage, or surprises the party, they are in for a world of hurt.

>> No.77988516

Each individual character is more likely to die, however the dragon is also easier to kill.
For example an adult red dragon will have about 40hp in OD&D; not too unreasonable.

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>> No.77988551

Ok grimlock

>> No.77988819

A baby white dragon, from the Monster Manual, has 5-7 hit points and an AC of 3. So a good hit from a level 1 goon with a longsword could potentially kill one outright, though it would be incredibly dangerous all the same as attack damage and amount of attacks/breath weapon damage seemingly remains constant through all ages.

>> No.77989245

that sounds great, awesome. Let's aim for like 20% white CIS people in the future.
Seriously non white, non straight people are just better at creating content for OSR spaces so I'm game.

>> No.77989265

The descriptions of the games were bad too. Regardless, here's a few OSR adjacent movies that weren't included on that list.

Suspiria (Traps, witches, nightmare logic)
Fire and Ice (Frank Frazetta art, similar to wizards)
Excalibur (General fantasy shit)
Jason and the Argonauts (Classical mythology shit)
Braveheart (Medieval setting, barbarians, battles, politics, rebellion)
Zardoz (Bizzaro sci-fi)
The Warrior and the Sorceress (Bizarro, trashy fantasy)
John Carter (Books are in Appendix N)
The Dark Crystal (Dark fantasy, nonhuman focus)
The Indiana Jones movies (Pulp, traps)
El Topo (Weird western, dream logic)
Hammer Horror films (Classic monsters)
Heavy Metal (Gonzo fantasy and sci-fi)
Conquest (Trashy fantasy)
Dragonslayer (Fantasy shit)

>> No.77989377

Who is the blackest osr author, what have they written, and what do you think of it?

>> No.77989698


a tip: the 'mobile' format of whitehack 3e has a very narrow width, and you can use online sites to convert it into '2up' (2 pages on one) which actually looks pretty good.

>> No.77990155

Question, has Fellowship of the Rings been topped when it comes to providing a superb example of a dungeon crawl?

The trip through khazad-dûm ticks off so many boxes for me, empty rooms, the party alerting the inhabitants to their presence, attempts to wedge a door shut (including a hold-door spell), intense close-combat with a failed morale check, a serviceable and short backstory and a recent history that the company uncovers as they pass through its halls.

I've read Howard, Leiber and Moorcock and despite their strengths they haven't delivered on a dungeon crawl as strongly as Tolkien did.

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