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Discuss books that are /tg/ related and that can be used as inspiration for campaigns

I'll start by shilling Book of the New Sun

>> No.77576129

>>77576122
Why shill a book that has an unreliable narrator?

>> No.77576176

>>77576129
?
It's still a great dying earth novel / novels even if Severian can't fully be trusted

>> No.77576207

I read this really fucking strange science-fantasy book back when I was on a trip to france. It was about this elf dude, his human wife and their adopted robot. They ended up having to fight vampires on some planet for some reason and the robot fought by tossing salt around. I thought the idea of vampires being weak to holy salt was really interesting.

>> No.77576252

>>77576122
There's always The First Law. The sequel trilogy is pretty great.

>> No.77576289

>>77576122
The Galaxy's Edge series by Nick Cole / Jason Anspach is basically 'Star Wars, but what if Stormtroopers were Tier-1 operators'?
What I really like is that they're unabashedly conservative books: The first novel is set in Space Afghanistan, and the Muslim-equivalents are literally donkey-men. The protagonists find that their hands are tied by the weak, shamelessly corrupted House of Reason, who are all liberals.

What's really funny is that when the Rey-equivalent shows up, the climax of her plot arc is that she's put on a spaceship and sent into the unknown, never to return. (Their version of Darth Vader is pretty cool, too.)

>> No.77576318

>>77576122
Is The Long Moonlight any good? I like Razorfist's content but I want to know if he's a decent author before I get a copy

>> No.77576336

>>77576289
This from Gods & Monsters, from the perspective of a Savage Marine (i.e. one of the bad guys):
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Omw2Xmyb9vU5DZjqsNzhhVflTfiqg_Qph5b7ha6KUaw/edit?usp=sharing

>> No.77576616

>>77576336
Not to shit on a thing you like but it doesn't seem that great reading this excerpt

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>>77576122
V.E. Schwab's Vicious would make good inspiration for a gritty underdog superhero campaign. Too bad her fantasy books don't quite meet the quality of Vicious

>> No.77577299

>>77576616
Eh, it might not be to everyone's taste, but I liked it. I genuinely thought the glimpse of (evil as fuck, by the way) Uplifted society was interesting, and the framing device was just as fun.

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The Phoenix and the Mirror by Davidson is an unnoticed classic - it takes place in a reimaging of the Roman world where magic and mythology are real, and the author really did his homework.

>> No.77577496

Sticky dwarves and scary clowns

>> No.77577530

>>77577404
The Gene Wolfe quote has me interested

>> No.77577563

The Indifferent Stars Above is about the Donner Party and it really gives a great picture on how long range travel through wilderness in a pre-industrial setting is like.

>> No.77577664

I'll make the mandatory Malazan shill post, though I'll say it's definitely not something I'd expect everyone to like.

>> No.77577698

>>77577530
Avram Davidson was one of those writer's writers guys: never famous, racked up the accolades and everyone who wrote SF read him. Pretty good mystery writer too.

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I always make sure to post this when I see the thread. This was some great execution on familiar tropes in fantasy. Kinda drops in quality as it goes on, but it's still worth a read if you like fantasy.

>> No.77578471

>>77577664
The prose isn’t great and the setting has been kind of uninteresting so far but I’ve only read part of the first book, when would you say it gets good?

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>>77576122
Nothing yet for Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser's exploits? I guess I'll shill for them then. Good action and even a few humerous moments. Pic related is from one of my favorite stories. The women in the pic are actually spiders

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>>77576122
I swear to god every DM with lofty ideas of epic fantasy campaigns had read Malazan and decided he wanted to give it go. Only for the effort to fizzle out after two sessions.

>> No.77580680

Black Company

Mortal Engines, shame about the movie

>> No.77580789

>>77578582
Fritz lieber is such a fun writer I am always supprised how obscure he seems on /tg/. BTW the swords of lankhmar is his best.

>> No.77583015

Can anyone recommend any good ones that have a dragon as the protagonist/perspective?

>> No.77583034

Bump

>> No.77583055

>>77580789
He's great. I think the one with the Ravens has to be my favourite fantasy short story, even edging out Conan.
It's such a great combination of elements.

>> No.77583099

>>77583015
Only one I can think of offhand is Lord Demon, and even that doesn't really count. The protagonist is a shapeshifting Chinese demon who frequently takes a dragon's form, he's not a real dragon in the sense of someone like Smaug.

>> No.77583157

>>77583055
Very few people seem to read older fantasy on this board so I get it. It’s a shame too since appendix N was such a big deal but no one has bothered to read the books in it

>> No.77583207

>>77583099
Bugger. There really is fuck all media with dragon protagonists, I guess. All I can think of is Golden Treasure, and that's a video game.
Damn good one though.

>> No.77583246

>>77583157
Biggest shame is you can find them free online for the most part.
Still there is one benefit to no one reading them; it makes stealing plotlines really, really easy.

Pull a Burroughs and do the same plot 47 times in different settings.

Hell, personally I think Noir should be mandatory reading for anyone that wants to run a dark/mature campaign since the style of say, Philip Marlowe or the Continental OP strikes that perfect balance of a dark world that isn't edgy.

>> No.77583274

>>77583246
To add onto this; fun fact of the day - Did you know that A Fistful of Dollars doesn't have its origin in Yojimbo?
Because Yojimbo is based on a Noir story called 'Red Harvest' by Dashiell Hammett, which is one of the best bits of writing that no one seems to know about.

>> No.77584238

>>77583274
Red Harvest (and Hammett in general) is legendary in crime fiction circles, but yeah, it's like the Appendix N mention above in that everyone can mention it, but who sits down to read it?

Also, it's not noir, just classic hardboiled detective. Noir is another creature altogether.

>> No.77584306

>>77584238
>Red Harvest (and Hammett in general) is legendary in crime fiction circles, but yeah, it's like the Appendix N mention above in that everyone can mention it, but who sits down to read it?
Given you can find it free online? Isn't that hard to do so really. And it's really good, The Scorched Face has to have one of the most brutal gut punch last lines I've ever read.

>Also, it's not noir, just classic hardboiled detective. Noir is another creature altogether.
I'd disagree, Chandler himself called on Hammett as the only guy better at it than he was on Noir and The Glass Key lacked a detective as the protagonist while being of the same style.

But yeah, convincing people to read it is, as always, the main problem.

>> No.77584312

>>77584238
A sizeable amount of OSRfags have read appendix N from what I can tell. I think it's more something you read if you're actually interested in a genre too the point where you read the classics. It also doesn't help that most modern fantasy is incredibly distant from the pulpier stuff hat makes up Appendix N

>> No.77584618

>>77576122
No one cares about your favorite YA series faggot

>> No.77584877

>>77584618
No one cares about you being a faggot over someone's favourite YA series either.

>> No.77585069

>>77584877
Book of the New Sun isn't even YA either, it's one of the best written books mentioned in the thread so far

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>>77580789
His stories are a blast to read. I haven't gotten to the Swords of Lankhmar yet, but I did get the two 3 book compilations and Knight and Knave of Swords to read through a while back. Currently on Swords in the Mist and along with Bazaar, Lean Times in Lankhmar is one of my favorite stories.

>>77583055
Is it Claws from the Night that you're talking about? That's a pretty great story as well.

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>>77576122
Maybe someone here will help me out. I have found an author called James Rollins, which published several books called Sigma Force series. I`m not interested in the books themselves, they don`t seem all that good.

But I`m curious about the things that cause conflict and motivate the stories. I might be mistaken, but they seem good material for making a modern day campaign based off Delta Green, maybe. Thing is, I can`t find good spoilers to learn what those things are. There are hints of ancient advanced technology, secret societies and prehistoric parasitic wasps, among other things. The author has a sort of free lorebook called Sigma Guide on his website, but it still avoids spoilers.

What I want is, does anyone knows if the macguffins are actually good material for a rpg adventure? Or if it is worth it to read thousands of pages of what seems to be mediocre technothrillers to get the details, if there are any at all?

>> No.77586163

>>77585939
Anon, you can't have a mcguffin divorced from the rest of the setting for an adventure. Even if something is a good mcguffin for one adventure, doesn't mean it's good for another. And plotting your adventure arc around the shiny mcguffin is pretty dumb anyway. Start with the characters, motivations, and how they conflict. Then that will inform you as to something that's worth hiring murderhobos over.

>> No.77586188

>>77585887
>Is it Claws from the Night that you're talking about? That's a pretty great story as well.
Aye, I intentionally kept the description vague in case anyone wants to read it without knowing what it's about.

>> No.77586234

>>77576122
I got Night Watch by Terry Pratchett for Christmas and really enjoyed it. I can definitely see why people think it's one of the best City Watch book and I was already a pretty big fan of Vimes.

>> No.77586385

>>77586163
Thanks for the advice. I`ve never been a GM before.

>> No.77586827

>>77584306
Chandler said Hammett was an excellent writer, yes, but I'd be very surprised if he said Hammett was a noir writer because "noir" wasn't a term commonly used until decades later (he definitely does refer to him as hardboiled, however). The wiki article on noir fiction actually does a good job of breaking down the differences. Corruption is all over both hardboiled and noir (and crime fiction in general), but noir is Jim Thompson: fuckups everywhere, protagonists that are slaves to themselves, not a lot of agency, no happy endings.

>>77584312
It's too bad, because while some are painfully dated, a lot of those stories are perfectly good outside of just wanting to capture OSR history / inspiration. And even when they're dated they're often just so refreshing in how they differ from modern generic fantasy epic #43857998. Short, powerful, and weird.

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>>77586827
Fair enough, we're disagreeing on definitions then. I'd say the Continental Op is down to the elbow in Noir given how cynical it can be and The Maltese Falcon is basically the OG Noir story.

Noir doesn't have to be completely lacking in anything optimimstic, it's just a dark world. I mean hell the Simple Art of Murder defines Noir for me and the end of that is pic related,

But we can disagree on that.

>> No.77587647

>>77587054
Sounds good. And thanks for the excerpt. :)

>> No.77589241

>>77576122
Arthur Llewellyn Jones.

>> No.77590689

>>77577404
I know it's kid schlock, but have you read Codex Alera? It's written by Jim Butcher, writer of the Dresden Code series.
Codex Alera allegedly exists because Jim Butcher bet someone he could write a fiction book based on any two topics, and someone offered Pokemon and the Lost Roman legion.
The setting feels very Roman, although woman also having access to the Pokemon equivalent removed the gender bias. Considering every human in the setting is directly related to someone from the Roman Legion, they all take Roman core values to heart, including strength equaling the right to rule.

>> No.77591196

I want to recommend "The Paradise War" by Stephen Lawhead and get a recommendation on the Fionavar Tapestry if anyone has read it

>> No.77591255

>>77576122
Despite it being one of my favorites, stop recommending this book. The last thing I want is a woke Netflix adaptation that introduces a ton of secondaries and makes the fucking IP impossible to get away from for years on end.

>> No.77592758

>>77591255
There's no way in hell that's happening

>> No.77593539

>>77576252
My girlfriend swears by it, but after reading the first book the edginess put me off. It felt like anything that could go wrong, would, to the point where there was no tension, just torture porn.

>> No.77593550

>>77590689
It's not high literature, but it's a fun romp. The series really finds its footing once it stops flirting with YA and turns into military fiction from book 3 onwards, though.

>> No.77593565

>>77577664
Seconding >>77578471. I'm in like my fourth attempt and getting through the first book.

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>>77576122
I personally love the Cadfael series. It's great inspiration for adventures without much magic or combat

>> No.77593754

>>77593539
Dropping it is a good call. The First Law considers it a selling point that no narrative ever has a resolution and nothing ever has a satisfying ending. I've legit seen people on /tg argue in threads like this one that its 'more realistic' that you get tot he end of the book and say "but nothing FUCKING HAPPENED" and that I should be enjoying the fact that I'm specifically not enjoying it.
The First Law trilogy takes 3 books to do a story that could have comfortably been done in a single book, just so that the fact that you invested so much time reading to see how things turn out gets to feel extra pointless.

>> No.77593784

>>77576122
American Gods is good for modern fantasy stuff.

Snow Crash is a book that should be on the must-read list of anyone that wants to run or play Cyberpunk.

The Gone-Away War is just something people on /tg/ should read in general.

>> No.77596692

>>77593784
Snow Crash is great, cyberpunk satire that’s better than the entire rest of the genre

>> No.77596700

>>77576289
> ragheads
> literally donkeymen
based

>> No.77596730

>>77576122
Just read everything in Appendix N.

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https://mega.nz/folder/hdAGFZiC#roI_EqS75L5lZlRBEPhSEw
DID SOMEONE SAY BOOKZ

>> No.77597131

>>77596922
Is this just a bunch of w*rh*mmer crap?

>> No.77597269

>>77596730
>>77584312
yo appendix n drones, is Margaret St. Clair any good?
Most of the authors in there are honestly trash but there are a few gems, I’ve never seen any of her stuff though

>> No.77597665

Fantasy:
The Lords of Dûs, Lawrence Watt-Evans
Thraxas, Martin Millar, writing as Martin Scott
The War of Powers, Robert E. Vardeman and Victor Milan
Shike, Robert Shea
Shardik, Richard Adams
God Game, Rev. Andrew M. Greeley
Mordant's Need, Stephen R. Donaldson
Boy in Darkness, Mervyn Peake
The Mongoliad, Neal Stephenson, Greg Bear and various
Belisarius series, David Drake and Eric Flint

SF:
The Gap Cycle, Stephen R. Donaldson
Terran Trade Authority, Stewart Cowley
The Stainless Steel Rat, Harry Harrison
Deathworld, Harry Harrison
Dumarest saga, E.C. Tubb
The Tau Ceti Agenda, Travis S. Taylor
Combat-K Series, Andy Remic
The Flight Engineer, S. M. Stirling and James Doohan
First Flight, Chris Claremont
One Clay Foot, Jack Wodhams

Occult:
Weaveworld, Clive Barker
The Great and Secret Show, Clive Barker
Wizard of the Pigeons, Megan Lindholm
War for the Oaks, Emma Bull

>> No.77597684

>>77576122
I liked Severian by the end of the series. Against all odds he grew a moral center. It's strange to me why many BoTNS fans don't. Like apparently there's serious discussion about how he might have raped the kid? Like what the absolute fuck.

>> No.77600531

>>77597269
She's hard to find but I've wanted to read her too.

Signs of the Labrys can be had for not insane prices, but The Shadow People was never reprinted and I've only ever seen beat up paperbacks for 50+

>> No.77601094

>>77597684
He definitely raped Jolenta

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>>77601094
>man lives in barbaric dark age where slavery and torture is commonplace
>has literally been skinning people alive since childhood
>doesn't get a signed consent form before initiating intercourse
what the fuk

>> No.77601327

>>77601263
It's pretty clearly implied that it was rape, this isn't me complaining about the morality of the book, just stating a thing that happened that's easy to miss because Severian is an unreliable narrator

>> No.77601411

>>77601327
I never really got the unreliable narrator bit--are there any glaring contradictions in his story? I only gathered that he may have grandiosely overstated his photographic memory.

Also, did anyone else quit the 5th book? I felt like it turned such a great mysterious epic into a mediocre space opera, and I wish I'd just stopped with Citadel.

>> No.77601474

>>77601411
Most of him being an unreliable narrator is intentionally or unintentionally down playing and omitting things + him being too autistic to notice certain things. Like he only mentions 100+ chapters after the fact in an offhand remark that Thecla would sometimes become hysteric and beg for her life or attack him which is way different than what he initially says his relationship with her is like

>> No.77601489

>>77601474
100+ Pages*
I think it comes up in Concilator

>> No.77601499

>>77601474
sheeeit that's what I get for listening to audiobooks

>> No.77602785

Are there any books with a mesoamerican inspired setting?

>> No.77605236

Can anyone recommend some good space westerns? Such an intriguing genre but i have no experience with it

>> No.77605454

>>77605236
The Icarus Hunt isn't exactly a western, but it has a lot of parallels with them

>> No.77606752

Can anyone tell me about books like Missing 411 of David Paulides? I really want some reading material like that

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Based wolfeposting. This makes me happy. Carry on anons

>> No.77606913

>>77602785
Heart of Jade by Madariaga is pretty good.
Aliette de Bodard’s Obsidian and Blood is fantasy set in Tenochtitlan, but I haven’t read it

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