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Still not dead edition

Previous Heresy:
>>77099053

>Thread FAQ(very old, remembers Age of Terra)
http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
>Thread FAQ(suggestion)
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>Erratas and extra downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
http://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
>Rules and stuff for HH and Titanicus
HH - mega<dot>nz<slash>#F!s9xQ3CiA!9a594y1utfRGxKLxiIy2aQ
audiobooks - mega<dot>nz<slash>folder<slash>yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9WwjRCw

==/ATG/ Zone==
>Rules and supplements
See the MEGA in HH section
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
>homemade missions:
http://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html

>> No.77149501
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77149501

Is it true that the next book will have Darkmech stuff?
I want to get into HH because I love the Mechanicus line, but I also love converting chaos stuff as well

>> No.77149535

>>77149501
>Is it true that the next book will have Darkmech stuff?
No

>> No.77149588

>>77149535
Oh that sucks. Is there any knowledge of what the next book will be about?

I guess I'll just have to wait until they cover Martian Civil War or something. I mean I'm willing to start a traitor Mechanicum army but desu I just really like Darkmech stuff. I can't stand the goofy looking 40k chaos stuff, with a few exceptions

>> No.77149694

>>77149501
What next book? FW didn't even announced that they are working on new black book.
Crusade was supposed to have dark mech in it, but they scrapped it and gave us almost 100 pages shorter book than previous one.

>> No.77149699

>>77149588
just make the initial force compatible with normal mech rules, maybe have a look into a bit of homebrew (basic stuff).
forgeworld and gw have basically abandoned hh because primaris or something so dont expect rules. just work with what you got for now

>> No.77149715

>>77149588
>Is there any knowledge of what the next book will be about?

They're skipping ahead to the Scouring to revitalise the line. New Raldoron, Abbadon and Guilliman sculpts in the first wave, new Dorn, Sigismund and Polux sculpts as part of a symbolic final parting set-piece after the Iron Cage. New Perturabo same wave. Third wave full on guitar Noise Marines, drumkit tank, groupie mosh pit superheavy. Then they're doing IA14, but it's Orks + Chaos v Craftworld Eldar + Deathwatch/4v4 instead of the Red Scorpions/Darkmech thing they had planned.

Then it's alternating IA books and Scouring books. War of the Beast tentatively pencilled in to merge the two lines by Q4 2024, probably realistically more like Q2 2026.

>> No.77149781

>>77149588
>>77149501
You have a few options with Dark Mech, the best option likely being using Mechanicum with ruinstorm daemon allies converting so the various daemons represent daemon engines, automata, and various techn-horrors for the smaller things.

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>>77149501

>> No.77150116
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Welp, got these 2 from SS painted up, so back to all titans/knights painted again.

>> No.77151386

Does anyone have a pdf of the 7E rules for the baneblade variants? I like the look of the doomhammer and was wondering if using it in 30K is a decent idea, if not I'll probably run it as a stormblade or stormsword and fluff it as AL using advanced plasma-shells or something

>> No.77151502

Vindicators: Worth it over Medusas? When/how?

>> No.77151626

>>77151502
Cheaper in points as well as money, makes more sense to use shortranged guns on assault vehicles rather than artillery, more durable and not limited to 1 squadron, your guys didn't live through induction and trials to lug artillery shells

tldr yes, always

>> No.77151728

>>77149501
sauce on that model?

>> No.77151753

>>77151728
Ex Profundis

>> No.77151775

>>77151753
>Ex Profundis
this is amazing ty so much i love blogs like this
where else can i find them except for warseer and dakkadakka (and the ammobunker and waaaagh)?

>> No.77151794

>>77151502
Do you need barrage or 12" extra range? Are you willing to pay 35 points and sacrifice protection for it? I would say medusas are more defensive, put them behind cover and protect an area, vindicators can afford to get shot at, better protected and less of a loss to lose.

>> No.77152054
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>>77151386
going up on the 40kg vola now

>> No.77152127

>>77152054
>>77151386

fuck I meant to say it's the Cadia supplement from 7E that you want

>> No.77152221

>>77152054
>>77152127
thanks anon, you're a real cutie-patootie

>> No.77152279

Should I use an Armoured Proteus or regular Proteus for Stone Gauntlet ROW Breachers?

>> No.77152438
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I'm done with all the consuls but I thought I'd throw together my original idea for a warmonger anyway since I had extra bits

>> No.77153216

>>77152279
Regular sponsons with the armoured hull and triple lascannon.
I don't know about best on the tabletop, but it's all about style.

>> No.77153832

>>77150116
nice paint anon.
god I hate those shields though. anybody use alternates they like?

>> No.77153983

>>77151502
Pay less points for a shitter vehicle
If you have points for Medusa, always medusa

>> No.77154174

>>77149715
Source on all this?

>> No.77154308

>>77153832
Cheers. I've seen others use the Van Saar energy shields, as well as Custodes shields. Some kind of circular shield would likely look much better.

>> No.77154487

>>77154308
yeah not a bad idea.
I've actually got some of those old square terminator shields around somewhere. maybe I'll see how those look.

>> No.77155086
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77155086

any more leaks from that book anon about the Alpharius book? i absolutely need to hear more about the trainwreck it could be

>> No.77155300

>>77155086
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/#entry5658651

God that's bad

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>>77155300

Fucks sake.
Alpha Legion continue to retcon themselves at the expense of the setting.

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77155431

>>77149424
>‘Now who is the better hunter?'

>The Lion looked up.

>The khrave-host hovered a metre above him. She dropped with a laugh, sinking her claws into his scalp.

>The docking bay disappeared. It was still there, after a fashion, a reflection glimpsed through smoke, vanishing with every shift of the wind. The fire guttered to embers, the shadows stretching up like tall trees, like bars. The hard bangs of Trigaine's bolter were an echo through the vastness of a forest at dawn.

>'This is Caliban,' said the Lion.

>'This is your mind,' said Savine. She looked around, feigning the interest of the remembrancer whose skin she wore. In this place of the mind her appearance was almost human, dark veins withdrawn, pupils shrunken, only a faint luminosity of skin that was in tune with the unreality of her surrounds. 'What a drab and flavourless place it is too. A mind like this has no right to exist. You, your brothers, your sons - you sicken me.’

>The Lion struck with his sword only to find his hand empty. Fingers unfurled from their grip as Savine laughed.

>'All your prowess, all your gene-wrought strength, it is worth nothing here. In here, I am g-'

>The words became an airless choke as the Lion lifted her by the throat. Her eyes bulged, her feet kicking futilely as she scratched at his forearms, the leaves of the shadow-forest rustling and wavering as she did so, but no relief or rescue broke through the reality that the primarch had constructed.

>The Lion was the master of all his domains.

>> No.77155447

>>77155363
"Alpharius actually maybe allows himself to die because he's always 99 steps ahead, and wanted to show Dorn the weaknesses in his defence" Fucking just let his fucking hubris get him killed.

Can't wait for the "The AL are actually the majority of astartes in every legion because they are so sneaky and smart and great that the Horus Heresy was all a plan by them all along because they have over objectives"

>> No.77155507

>>77155363

I don't normally consider myself a grog but the Alpha Legion lore has been on an absolute decline since Index Astartes with literally zero positive additions. Omegon, Cabal, Pluto, Raptors, all of it just fucking sucks. Let Alpharius be the cocky manlet who can't hack losing and just leave it be. HH3 did that and it was great.

>> No.77155508

>>77155447
>thinking their are other legions
>not realising that the other legions are merely a charade by the AL to distract chaos
the Horus Heresy was a false flag inside job and everybody in it was a crisis actor

>> No.77155548

>>77155507
Omegon plotline could've paid out massively if they stuck with the (supposed) plan to make him Janus, but nope, chainsword go BRRRRRRRR

>> No.77155551

>>77155508
inb4 AL fans wanking this book off to the extreme to show how amazing and perfect the AL are and how the Praetorian of Dorn all happened according to Alpharius' great plan, and that if he had wanted to kill Dorn he could have

Final duel on the VS, turns out it's Alpharius vs Omegon

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77155552

Squeezed off a quick snap of this guy between lectures. Finished him in a sitting yesterday. Sorry about the shitty photo as usual!

>> No.77155671

Just picked up the first 4 AT books on the cheap. Looking forward to some hot and heavy Titan reading

>> No.77155725

>>77155552
Good thing about a picture is that it really shows you where your shit highlights are

>> No.77155801
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Corona shipment finally arrived with a jump pack for my Moritat.

>> No.77156105

Kind Anons please share Mortis map, Limited Edition is the only source of this map...

>> No.77156189

>>77155725
Nta but post your models

>> No.77156399

>>77155552
cortus-anon here, looks great my guy
now take six cortus ripntear dreads and three vindicators to every game
Cause the horned rat loves av13

>> No.77157294

>>77155552
Very nice! How did you do the green?

>> No.77157712

>>77156399
>>77157294
Thanks anons. Green is SoH Green, black/brown/medium mixed wash, Administratum Grey as highlight
>>77155725
Hah, I was shit-talking myself anon

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Which group, in your opinion, was the most kino, Loyalists from a Traitor Legion, or Traitors from a Loyalist Legion (Orphans of Betrayal vs Outcast Sons)?

https://www.strawpoll.me/42509895

>> No.77157740

>>77157712 Was meant for >>77156189

>> No.77157769

>>77157740
Oh lol. I have good reading comprehension. Looks good dude

>> No.77157771

>>77154174
his ass

>> No.77157812

>>77155086
Let me guess
>the Alpha Legion are named as such because they're actually Dark Angels, the Lion is Alpharius, hydras are native to Caliban, and that's why there's loyalists and traitors in both legions.

>> No.77157905

>>77155300
I don’t get the hate. seems fine. i like the three lies being true, that’s nice. The pluto stuff is meh, depends how they do it. and i say that because 90% of the time some fanboy says a HH book “hinted” at something they’re exaggerating, reading shit that isn’t there, or being retarded.
Probably the best they could have done with this book

>> No.77158039

>>77152438
Didn't you have a double fist tartaros guy as well?

>> No.77158063
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>>77155431
Based

>> No.77158093

>>77155431
that book was fun. i enjoyed him anime dodging the storm birds she threw at him and all the cool relic weapons

>> No.77158140

>>77158039
yea

>> No.77158146

>>77157712
I've done a couple of test models with a similar method, yet they come out a lot darker and less blue than yours did, I like yours more so any extra tips on achieving it would be appreciated!

>> No.77158902

>>77155300
>Alpharius was the first Primarch that was found by the Emperor
Ok BL ruined it again

>> No.77158979

On Jump Assault Marines; Power Swords or Axes (or chainglaives)?

Night Raptors; same question

>> No.77159089

>>77158979
axes, allways
even though i equip all my dangles with swords when possible

>> No.77159091

>>77158902
That was FW lore wasn't it?

>> No.77159097

>>77158979
Axes and power fist sergeant.

>> No.77159165

>>77158979

Assault Marines are all Axes all the time. Unwieldy is a pretty irrelevant downside if you have the same init as your enemy and you can't be singled out. However, +1S and AP2 are extremely relevant buffs.

Raptors it is all good. Power kit is so cheap that you probably want to upgrade everything, so a couple of Swords or Glaives are sensible just to absorb I4 attacks. Same concept applies though that Axes remain your highest damage output.

>> No.77159206

>>77159165
>>77159097
>>77159089

Thank you all.
Say in a 15 man raptor squad, what would be a good ratio of sword/glaives to axes? I currently have 10 Raptors with chainglaives I was using in 40k (warp talons) and imagine that's a little much for one squad in heresy.

>> No.77159249

>>77159165
glaives are insane on raptors and perfect for bullying. outnumber WS4 models and you get
>hit and wound on 2s ap 3 rending 3 attacks on the charge
even 5 guys armed that way (in a bigger squad) could kill about half a tac blob on the charge

>> No.77159299

What needs to change for Land Raiders to have a place in a game with both Spartans and Rhinos available?

>> No.77159314

>>77159206
quite the opposite. raptors are cheap and have cheap power weapons while being fast. they’re also troops in nightlords best rite. 2 blobs of 15 wouldn’t be unreasonable, you could put 5 chain glaives in each and slap 5 axes on the other guys and upgrade the other five as you need

>> No.77159366

>>77159299
>landraiders
>not having a place in 30k
are you having a giggle?

>> No.77159416
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the side view on this thing is going to be just dismal. It really needs something on the top to stop it from being a square. Two spires maybe, with the collarbone guns jammed into the windows and those hanging armor panels covering the spot where the guns normally go. Maybe have the flak guns in the other windows.

>> No.77159452

Big thanks again Heresy-Anons.

>>77159314
I'm working on an Angel's Wrath list (for fun, if it turns out playable, that's icing) and was hoping to hear something like this >>77159314

I'm excited to keep at it now and know I'm not in deep the weeds about it all.

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>>77159416
Mount the bicep guns on top.

>> No.77159485

>>77159416
Why aren't they actually releasing the Imperator?

>> No.77159501

>>77159485
Because who's gonna buy not-Imperator then?

>> No.77159511

>>77159299

They're already pretty sweet, especially in bulk.
Could do a Talon thing and let squadrons split up to save on FOC slots. Could add the 12 seats to the Phobos. Don't really need either.

>> No.77159516

>>77159416
or replace the flak guns with artillery cannons instead of autocannons

>> No.77159584

>>77159465
it must be unsettling to shoot the missiles when you have overhang from the armor panels

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>>77159416
you need to get rid of the overlapping armored beard too, just replace the last four plates with a single panel from somewhere else.
really though it it hasn't got any melee toss it out

>> No.77159680

>>77159416
W-w-whats that? Is that a new Titan? AND AIN'T THE RAPIER, PRAISE OMNISSIAH.

>> No.77159726

>>77159299
Land Raiders are still assault vehicles, and are a decent choice of dedicated transport in a few RoW lists. They're still AV14 fire magnets. The Proteus might seem iffy, but you take one because it has the Augury Web (which is severely underrated in use for a couple Legions).

>> No.77159763
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77159763

>>77159680
Warmaster class. Larger than a warlord. Based on old Goodwin sketches.

>> No.77159767

>>77159643
>really though if it hasn't got any melee toss it out
oh boy an even bigger gunboat to try to get to waddle up the board to throw a single punch rather than shoot effectively for the proceeding 3-4 turns! just what i wanted

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>>77159643
What is it with FW and these multi-part plasma weapons? Just make a single big plasma cannon.

>> No.77159991

>>77159944
>FW

>> No.77160041

>>77159991
Who do you think designs these things? And it's hardly the first time they've done it:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Warlord-Titan-Sunfury-Plasma-Annihilator
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Deredeo-Dreadnought-Hellfire-Plasma-Cannonade

>> No.77160051

>>77159366
Are you? Assault transport role is taken up by the Spartan, and non-assault transport role is universally a Rhino thing.

>> No.77160058

>>77159091
No, that account was a lie.

>> No.77160136

>>77158146
I got nothing for you man. Literally whatever grey primer I have to hand, 2-3 layers of SoH green, try to hit recesses only with the wash, layer back up again if necessary, hit it with the grey. I guess the only other thing is I use Iron Warriors for the metal which is darker than usual, and Corvus Black which is lighter than usual

>> No.77160138

>>77159763
Nice. I like to see more titans at last.

>> No.77160153

>>77160041
i’m sorry you’re stuck in 2013 but FW and GW aren’t separate like that anymore. the difference, age of darkness aside, is literally just whether it’s plastic or resin. if it’s a resin kit it goes on FW, if it’s plastic GW main.

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>>77160153
>separate like that anymore

What are you talking about, FW has always been a GW studio. They were never "separate." That doesn't mean they don't have their own studios and staff, working on their own projects. Why do you think there's a clear visual difference between GW and FW designed products.

>> No.77160434

>>77160322
they don’t have separate studios really anymore. Literally the same guy made the vorax (among a bunch of other 30k kits) some aeronatica planes, worked on titanicus and has done a few 40k models (though i can’t recall which.) Its not like Ye Olde Days where Forgeworld had its own team. Seems to have shifted around the launch of specialist games and the death of bligh.

>> No.77160521
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Plastic Mk2 when?

>> No.77160589

>>77160521
right after plastic death korps

>> No.77160644

>>77160434
Why does having your own teams exclude designers from hopping to do projects in other teams? Writing codexes didn't exclude you from writing novels for BL.

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77160854

>>77160521
>The dream is dead and all I feel is suffering

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Painting yet another character. Praetor or forge lord, depending on the situation.

>> No.77161769

>>77160644
With FW and GW for a long time the difference was resin and plastic, particularly after GW stopped producing new metal sculpts. Resin and metal molding, and therefore resin and metal production techniques start to finish, are very similar processes in terms of what you can and can't do, but plastic uses solid molds (which is why it's preferable for mass production - the molds get orders of magnitude more uses before they fail) and somewhat simpler ones because the resulting sprues have to come out without deforming the mold.

With the shift to CAD at FW the back end design is simplified and both processes, resin and plastic, are about as complicated as one another. It still helps to have experience of making a model in greenstuff - GW still recruits that way - because that teaches you a lot about the physicality of the resulting product than just CAD would (though CAD can also warn you about limits, and is particularly good at telling you how much material overall, by weight, you're using - which is good on cost).

Specialising in plastic or resin was much more possible for about a decade than it is now.

>Writing codexes didn't exclude you from writing novels for BL.

That's something else. Writing is a full-time job you get paid for about 20% of if you're good at it, and having name recognition is often more important than the objective quality or originality of your work compared to a newcomer.

>> No.77161883

>>77161769
Design and production are two different things. Plastic MkIIIs are still FW design, even if they're produced in the GW injection moulds and sold in the GW store.

Even if GW starts designing plasma weapons with long, segmented barrels all on their own, FW was still the one who started the trend. Plague Marines can be all GW designed and produced, but the design of the flared armour segments and the Phobos bolters were originally made by FW.

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Posting progress on the "Fire Raptor"

>> No.77162163

>>77162133
Imperial flyers don't believe in wheels.

>> No.77162216

>>77162163
Correct. Replace them with skids or deployable gear (see the Arvus, etc.). Lines look OK but very smooth. SM vehicles use the same visual language of vents and ceramite cutouts on all vehicles (start with land raiders, rhinos, etc and work out from there), so make sure that's incorporated into the design.

>> No.77162243

>>77160322
whats the model on the left?

>> No.77162245

>>77159944
You can fire multiple shots with the multi-part weapon. It's basically a gatling plasma blaster. 2 barrels fire, 2 recharge, while with the bigger guns you fire once and wait.

>> No.77162289

>>77162243
Kill team cassius iron hands sternguard vet

>> No.77162364

>>77162243
Member of Kill Team Cassius.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/deathwatch-kill-team-cassius-2016

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>>77162245
Plasma Blastguns can fire multiple shots without having each barrel be separate guns.

>> No.77162513

I’m making a contrast paint using WB Red and Contrast Medium. What’s the best ratio to make it work something like Flesh Tearers Red?

>> No.77162547

>>77162400
2 barrels, side by side. See the two holes?

>> No.77162554

>>77162513
Why not just use Flest tearers red contrast?

>> No.77162602
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>>77159643
>INTERLINKED SUNFURY PLASMA BLASTERS

>> No.77162634
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>>77162547
Yes, contained in the same body. Meanwhile >>77159643 has 4 separate sets of coils around a central barrel. Just like the Warlord plasma annihilator. Or the two separate plasma cannons on the Deredeo.

>> No.77162651

>>77162554
Because it’s not the right shade. I really like the color of WB red and if it’s slightly opaque (like a contrast) when I put it over leadbelcher the metallic color will shine through slightly

>> No.77162710

>>77162245
>>77162400
>>77162547
the new warmaster plasma weapon only has one barrel. look at it closely.

>> No.77162742

>>77149501
> next book
Thats cute anon

>> No.77162805
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>A full sized Warmaster Titan would be about 36” tall

>> No.77162931

>>77162133
Agreed with other anons. Wheels aren't needed with VTOL on all marine planes. It's also too sleek

>> No.77163018

>>77159944
Looks like shit

>> No.77163721

>>77162216
That's definitly planned. Due to CAD restrictions they will be added last when I'm sure I won't make any major changes. Adding wheels was a little experiment but you guys are right, I'll replace them with skids.

>> No.77163844

Traitor Imperial Fist guy here. Trying to decide what I need next. A brief rundown of shit I currently have:

> Praetor, Fist + Pistol
> Primus Medicae, Terminator Armour
> Vigilator
> 10 Templar Brethren (Combat Shields, Champ has Fist)
> Castaferrum Dreadnought (Swappable Arms)
> 5 Terminators, Storm Shields, 1 Assault Cannon, Power/Chainfists
> 50 marines, Bolters
> 3 Marines each, Melta and Plasma
> 2 Marines, Pistol and Powerfist
> 10 mk3 marines, on sprue (Looking for suggestions on how to build them)
> 5 Marines, Lascannons
> 5 Marines, Heavy Bolters
> Vindicator
> Vindicator Laser Destroyer
> Land Raider Phobos
> 2 Rhinos
> Drop Pod

I'm absolutely not interested in Contemptor Dreadnoughts because I don't like how they look, or in Spartans because I don't like how they make the game play. Any other suggestions, however, are welcome.

>> No.77163968

>>77163844
Oh right, I forgot the shit that's on its way. That'll be 10 Phalanx Warders, a Champion, and a Herald.

>> No.77164478
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>>77163844
You can never go wrong with a basilisk or twenty

>> No.77164547

>>77164478
With what fucking Heavy Support slot?

>> No.77164579

>>77164547
Ally slots.

>> No.77164774

>>77163844
Land Speeders with grav guns or Javelins with Lascannons. Just because you don't like Spartans doesn't mean the other guy will skip one.

>> No.77165143

>>77161883
Yes, that's what I'm saying. There's no longer any distinction between the back end because they're apparently all working in CAD now. That means you can hop teams much more easily, and as a consequence of CAD that your designs can be pushed out into plastic production if they work out in resin. It avoids an additional step of redesign that was formerly necessary when FW sculped everything by hand for resin molding, while GW did it for plastics.

>> No.77165171

>>77163844
It's a shame that FW aren't making the realm of battle boards, i really quite liked that primus redoubt.
Rapiers, More Boxnaughts/Terminators, or a Lord of War like a Glaive/Falchion/Felblade, or even just a dual Fire Raptor Sub orbital Strike wing all look like they'd being something new to your army options

>> No.77165252

Hi all. Just getting back to HH after the hell that was the last year without a play group and was trying to see if we had a scan of book 9 yet. I didn't see it in the mega.

>> No.77165342

>>77160051
Land Raider Spam kinda fits in an offmeta niche, taking advantage of the fact that most bring enough heavy at to kill a Spartan and then have a mix of medium AT that can be used for Rhino's, but Land Raiders cna be taken in enough numbers so as to overwhelm the enemy with 16-20 av14 Hull Points, potentially infiltrating or scouting due to being dedicated transports.
However, it is 200pts+ for just 2 lascannons and often all they are delivering is tactical marines or basic 5 Man term squads

>> No.77165397

>>77163844
As IF, I'm pretty sure lascannon HSS are better than laser destroy vindicators. If you do want to use em, you'll probably want 2 or 3 though.

>> No.77165440

>>77165397
Yeah, I got it for being a thematic choice, honestly. Also I wanted to try out a recaster I'd never done before and wanted something I wouldn't mind not-getting if he was just a scammer.

>>77164774
Probably a good plan. Are 40k-style Land Speeders used in 30k, or is it all the flying couches and deodorant sticks?
>>77165171
Why Rapiers? They're usually used for cheap anti-tank in the Elite slot and I feel like I don't need to save points there. I like the idea of a Lord of War, though.

>> No.77165564

>>77165440
All 40k versions of 30k vehicles are kosher, some were rarer during this period though like mars patter rhino hulls. Stuff like 40k bikes are actually oldrt, and probwbly more common though.

That said, flying couches are fucking rad.

>> No.77165623

>>77160051
>Assault transport role is taken up by the Spartan
A land raider is 75 points cheaper, 125 if you don't need it to be an assault transport. Unless you need to transport 10+ terminators specifically land raiders are better. Having multiple land raiders also makes it very difficult for opponents to combat your list unless they bring retarded amounts of anti-tank. Not an auto-take under any circumstances but far from useless.

However, one thing that would make them a lot better and let them be seen a lot more is giving them 12 more transport slots so you can shove a character in as well. Your palatine blades or suzerains would be able to escort a character at full strength, your vets could be joined by an apothecary or MoS if you don't get BS 5 at close ranges.

>> No.77165625

>>77165564
>That said, flying couches are fucking rad.
Sure, but I'm not using my 40k Landspeeders any time soon, and I can easily just slap a grav gun from a space marine kit to the underside and call it a day instead of having to buy a whole new squad.

>> No.77165655

>>77165623
>Unless you need to transport 10+ terminators specifically land raiders are better.
If you want your death star to actually get there, the option with Flare Shields and an extra hull point is unquestionably better.

>> No.77165966

>>77165655
Why are you fielding a "death star" with ten wounds?

>> No.77165990

>>77165655
Why not just go Kharibdys? Spartans are turn 1 grav bait

>> No.77166000

>>77165397
>As IF, I'm pretty sure lascannon HSS are better than laser destroy vindicators
Don't know about how efficient laser vindicators are but lascannon HSS are so retardedly expensive that they are essentially worthless.

>> No.77166033

>>77166000
>but lascannon HSS are so retardedly expensive that they are essentially worthless.
You never played a single game, didn't you ? Stupid cunt.
6-7 man Lascannon HS squad DELETES stuff from the board.

>> No.77166040

>>77164774
Any other units do a similar job to Javelins? Finding it very hard to justify the model expense

>> No.77166081

>>77165440
Grav Rapiers are the best AT in the game. BS4 5" Haywire blasts bobbing difficult terrain all over the shop for 75pts each is amazing.
I don't like leaving home without 2 full squads. Any legion which can pull redeployment shenanigans with them to get first turn KO against enemy Spartans are based

>> No.77166082

>>77166040
Land Raiders with Grav, as mentioned.

>> No.77166084

>>77166000
They have tank hunter for free, and can actually use cover easily. I'm pretty sure IF anon has them in a bunker as well (where I assume they'll also get ammo dump). They can also get augory scanner to hard counter podded levis etc near a VIP unit.

>> No.77166107

>>77166082
> land raiders with grav
Fuck. Meant Speeders. Got mixed up with the Spartan discussion.

>> No.77166133

>>77165342
Out of boredom I wrote up a concept AV 14 spam list using armoured vanguard rite.

Maloghurst

8 Reavers with chainaxes and volkite chargers in a phobos with AC and pintle heavy bolter
6 Vets with combi-plasmas
6 Vets with combi-plasmas

10 Seekers in a proteus with AC, hull, and pintle heavy bolters

Achilles-Alpha Land Raider
Achilles-Alpha Land Raider
10 Heavy Support Marines with heavy flamers in a proteus with AC, hull, and pintle heavy bolters

Typhon with sponson lascannons, AC, and pintle heavy bolter

>> No.77166148

>>77166033
Not that anon, but certainly have a lot of games under my belt
They are a fragile hyper expensive MEQ base in a game intended to kill meq and TEQ equivalents.
Also that cost to do 2 hull points to a Pred/Sicaran/Cortus/Vindicator
Eesh

>> No.77166151

>>77166084
Yup, always use my ammo dump/void shield bunker. 95 points for AV 14 with 4 hull points, 5 fire points, and a spare AV 12 hull point that can regenerate. It means they can't use augury scanners, since they don't exist on the board while they're in the Bunker, but that's not much of a loss.
>>77166081
I'll have to consider that. Won't lie, the main reason I'm not fielding Grav right now is I threw out all my templates when 8th edition dropped and haven't rebuilt a good supply yet.

>> No.77166250

>>77166033
>6-7 man Lascannon HS squad DELETES stuff from the board.
>7 Lascannons
>315 Points
>Can't move and shoot
>Only strips 2.6 HP a turn from a land raider

>You never played a single game, didn't you ? Stupid cunt.
Have you?

>> No.77166256

>>77166133
I really like it.
Fire Raptors have me a bit concerned, but what MEQ doesn't fear it

>> No.77166288

>>77166148
Quick napkin math.
5 shots, rerolling 1s: 5x2/3=3 1/3 + (1 1/3 /3=4/9)
3 and 7/9 hits.
Front armour 13, for the sake of argument, so s9 needs 4s to glance.
3 and 7/9 divided by 2 for 1 and 4/5 hull points
plus IF rerolls, so an extra 9/10 of a hull point
So, yeah, on average, 2-3 hull points off AV 13.

>> No.77166392

>>77165990
Spartans look cooler

>> No.77166539

>>77166288
is worth noting that pens at AP 2 can cause some real damage, but agreed that “deleting” is a bit of a stretch. Still, 2 squads should mean that any vehicle moving forward will expose its side to one of them.

>> No.77166543

Can someone explain why Graviton + Haywire is good to a newbie? I just can't get my head around it

>> No.77166545

>>77166081
>Grav Rapiers are the best AT in the game
This is just patently false when multiple units are capable of dumping out 10+ haywire shots in a turn.

>> No.77166560

>>77166543
you remove a hull point on a 2+ from anything.

>> No.77166732

>>77166081
As>>77166081 says, grav rapiers aren't that great. Large blast is cool and all, but even against vehicle squadrons you'll be lucky to get more than one hit per blast.

>> No.77166957

>>77166151
Remember the bunker firepoints hold 4 dudes each, so 8 guys can fire out the front, if you wanted a bigger squad.

>>77166250
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but 3 las vindis are what, 390pts naked, 405 assuming dozers (if you're talking about moving and shooting).
For 9 tl shots, but only 3 on the move, and only 6 inches. HHS with 9 lascannons is of comparable cost, but you have an arty armour sarge that can eat ap3 spam semi reliably, they are going to be getting a cover save unless you're suicidal as fuck, and they can't get shaken/exploded like vehicles can.
Outside of IF and IW havocs las vindi is hands down better, but with those two forces they have legitimate trade offs that make it not black and white.

>> No.77167076

>>77166957
Two las vindicators are a lot cheaper and while they are pretty shit they can at least move and shoot and are more resilient. Personally neither of those options cause me much interest, I would rather take a quad mortar battery or a sicaran venator or lightning depending on what exactly I wanted to kill.

>> No.77167078
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Right, I’ve been doing some thinking and I’m not convinced the warmaster will be worth running.
Let’s assume that it’s movement stays the same as a warlord, it has 8 voids, and let’s just call it an appropriate up gunning on reactor, armor, pipe, etc, like there was from reaver to warlord, and it keeps the same bs/ws/command as the WL. let’s also assume it’s got a couple solid builds with weapon variety. it will still have 3 major problems
the first is temporary but worth considering - no or few maniples. This means that it can only really be run as a support titan, and the maniples it can support at the typical size game might be few and far between depending on its cost
second is that it’s uge. while this does help it exploit los to shoot guys that would be in cover for other titans, it means it will be easy to get under (at least some of) its guns. if it’s ardex defenses are strong enough, it might not be a big problem, and certainly won’t be as bad as it is for the warbringer. but 12” is a big bubble to lose your carapace weapon in.
the real damning one for me is that activations are important enough in AT that the higher points go for a model, the more you give up exponentially. Based on the psi-titan being a baffling 300 points more than the warlord i’m not confident it’ll be reasonably priced. if it’s the cost of two reavers and change, will it make sense?
however it could fit nicely into the large games of AT that are currently a bit wonky and which would benefit from a big boy. but the increase in stratagems you get at those games will probably keep them a bit too mad for my tastes.

>> No.77167083

>>77166545
?
Land Speeders are the closest to second best, and they hate 2 HP AV10 who can't fire shit if they jink
Other units are allied Mechanicum and short ranged or number Elite Solar Aux choices
Perhaps I should have clarified in a legion list, but hey

>>77166732
Who gives a fuck? Two squads all but guarantee KO a Spartan Deathbus turn 1 and leave a melee squad with usually shit shooting in difficult terrain. Bakc it up with dual grav podnaught(s) to make certain
100% worthwhile
If the opponent has no spartan deathbus, then you go after their next most valuable vehciles
Only thing they lose massively against is drop pod or max flyers, but because max flyers can't do shit to tanks, you're rarely gonna see it
And against orbital Assault lists Leviathans and other dreads etc still exist

>> No.77167095

>>77166957
>>77167076
> Moving a las vindi
About the only way it makes its points back is if it's firing at full capacity every turn. You're really gonna sacrifice shots, and even throw points towards the idea?

>> No.77167127

>>77163844
Hey anon, but to your original post, if you feel like using big tac blobs, its probably worth getting a couple of apothecaries to pad out their toughness, or atleast force your enemy to use bigger guns on your 10pt models.

Its probably with fitting out your spare dudes with combi weapons, so you can run them as vets or even seekers if you wanted.

Other than that I would say more vehicles. Various sicarans are always cool, and if your recasting you can buy turrets separately to be able to mix it up.

>> No.77167299

>>77167083
>Perhaps I should have clarified in a legion list, but hey
Even then I wouldn't agree, with good positioning and investing like 375 points and two elite slots you can kill a spartan turn 1, but even then the land speeders have the same anti-vehicle capability while being cheaper, taking only a single less valuable (and sometimes mandatory with rites requiring fast attack slots be filled) slot and have various options to make them more useful in other more flexible ways.

>> No.77167348

>>77167095
Other anon brought up the point, so I responded. But yes, it is not wise unless absolutely needed.
>>77167076
They're not more resilient, or at least its not as clesr cut. Something that can hurt meq wont bother the vindi sure, but with cover and more bodies, meq are more resilient against many threats as well, let alone hiding in IFanon's bunker.

>>77167083
Your 450pts of rapiers will statistically not kill a spartan in 1 turn.
Even assuming they're dumb enough to put it in LOS and range of 6 grav cannons, and with no cover, you're highly likely to fail to get 5 hullpoints on it, between 1s on haywire and scatter. They're not bad, but its never so clear cut.

Mechanicum can reliably ko a spartan in t1 through various means though.

>> No.77167562

Anons, just have a kharybdis full of either machinekiller meltabomb vets or legion terminators with chainfists for a turn two guaranteed kill on anything short of a warhound for cheaper than any grav spam. You're not afraid of a little close combat are you?

>> No.77167731

>>77167562
His point was turn 1 kill, which I will admit few things can do with any reliability. However even if turn 1 (as opposed to one turn in general such as a lightning coming on from reserves) lethality is your only goal to the exclusion of all others there are better choices.

However if anon uses them, finds them effective, and enjoys them good for him, I won't sit here all day fighting him on why he should stop using units he enjoys.

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>>77162742
>Get into Fantasy
Sub par rules come out
Slow death by neglect
End Times
>Get into Heresy
Sub par rules come out
Slow death by neglect

>> No.77168080

>>77167562
2* Dual Grav Dreadnoughts are my other two Elite slots
Why would I want to put an Infantry unit tooled for AT combat in assault reach of a deathbus that is likely to be at least heavily anti Infantry? Even if you kill the tank, you're literally doing what the enemy wanted to do anyway, and can perhaps 2:1 trade, whereas ranged allows 2:0 trades

>> No.77168093

Anyone here use Knights Errant? Thinking of throwing one in with my Mechanicum + Militia Allies

>> No.77168204

>>77167078
Whilst I fully understand this post and indeed agree with pretty much all of it, it's also a cool looking new titan. So I'm going to get several.

>> No.77168888

>>77168204
I like the idea of a more siege focused legion with Warmasters and Warbringers in large numbers.

>> No.77168992

All this talk, but ultimately:

How useful are regular Land Speeders vs Javelins? The Javelins are only a few points more for a lot of little extras.

>> No.77169166

>>77168992
Regular land speeders for hunting heavy tanks, javelins for killing AV 13 or less. If you have the spare slots 1-3 javelins with HK missiles (ideally take each javelin independently instead of as one big squadron) can be great at adding just enough punch to help against tank spam armies.

>> No.77169207

>>77155431
Makes sense that the guy who spent decades by himself surrounded by daemons has a mind like a steel trap.

Absolute chad energy.

>> No.77169407

>>77159091
every account was a lie that they gave, the story makes them all the truth

>> No.77170321

>>77168204
agreed. it’ll be good for the game regardless.
I think if they ever do a scale 7 titan though that would really shake things up, if it had proper maniples.

>> No.77170753

>>77167078
Yes, but big guns

>> No.77171050

>>77167078
Even assuming it's knee and collarbone guns aren't usable at range, it's got 5 weapons to fire at a single target so it's good for either dealing an enormous amount of damage or finishing something off. Even if you get 2 reavers for its cost that doesn't mean it's better to have 2 reavers

>> No.77171152

>>77168992
LS are nasty pricks with MMs and HK missiles for just 60 pts apiece. If you have a list tailored for deep strikes, dropping a squadron of 3 or 4 to test your luck at buttfucking a vehicle is great fun. They will probably not survive a second round so make them count, they are HUGE fire magnets even just with heavy bolters.

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Has anyone converted their own servo automata? The only idea I have involves green stuff wires and pistachio shells. Neither of which I have

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>>77166107
>Meant Speeders.

Are you sure?

>> No.77172781

>>77171050
>Even if you get 2 reavers for its cost that doesn't mean it's better to have 2 reavers
activations are valuable enough that i strongly suspect it will. If it can’t fire those shoulder guns within 12” it’ll be a hard sell for me that’s for sure

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oh hai

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>>77173493

>> No.77175929

>>77169407
Makes sense to me

>> No.77176231

>>77149715
Shut the fuck

>> No.77176959

What is the release date of the new BL books?

>> No.77177256

>>77176959
69/420

>> No.77177408

So in new alpharius book they turned "this account is a lie" into "it was all truth"?
How the fuck Omegon is supposed to land on diferent planet than alpharius if they are in one pod? Baby Alpharius opened pod doors and dropped Omegon fetus into warp?

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>> No.77177474

How does feel to know that HH will be discontinued in a couple of years?
>>77176822

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>>77177474

>> No.77177547

>>77177474
Oh no! A basically unsupported game with the whole back catalogue of models available for much cheaper than they already are, which the community dearly loves and will just carry on playing, might stop getting official support and may finally stop being arsefucked by GW/FW!

>Random "my dad works at Nintendo anon" on a Mongolian clam foraging board

Yeah, maybe I won't take it 100% for truth

>> No.77177603

>>77177547
Even if the Official game gets dropped, I can easily see a group of hardcore fans releasing unofficial Black Books (that might even be better than FW's)

>> No.77177608

>>77177474
Everyone interested in 30k alredy know that FW don't give fuck about heresy.

>> No.77177620

>>77177603
Exactly anon, exactly. Think of the Mournival Rules, Centurion etc.

>> No.77177651

>>77177603
>>77177547
Nah heresy has a garbage fanbase with little to no houseruling or conversion, their biggest projects are attempts to escape the event horizon that is abandonment of the heresy and 7th edition and attempts to forbid people to take random units they don't like (not even broken or OP units).

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>>77177466
This thing is going to be entirely cosmetic to own, heh. Maximum of 1 per maniple and the missiles and plasma loadout is 1060 points. Oof.

>> No.77177762

Considering Warmaster was made in CAD for titanicus, when FW will rescale it and release as full scale titan?

>> No.77177811

>>77177759
>Maximum of 1 per maniple
Untill they release new maniples with warmaster
>and the missiles and plasma loadout is 1060 points.
That's bigger problem, it cost twice as much as warlord(weapons not included in both)

>> No.77177878

> Six servitor clades also mean that repairing damage is easier for the Warmaster’s princess.
kek this got a chuckle

>> No.77178125

>>77177474
>Look at what a random person on the internet said
Okay

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important notes about the warmaster
>no alternative arm weapons even suggested (despite the card allowing for it)
>carries easily the best weapon in the game, pic rel
>shoulder weapons NOT CARAPACE and have insane variety and arc
>extra critical but the armor is not better than a warlord
>revelator is very meh
>bonkers voids
>really no reason not to take super coolant
This thing is almost insanely good. It can kill a warlord in nearly a single round of shooting, definitely can if voids are down. 2x3 shots s13 d10 +1 to hit that you can aim? Christ on the fucking cross. It just fucking executes titans.
But, Almost. It’s just too many points i think. even at like 2k points you can only field it and something like a corsair demi-maniple, maybe with 1 knight banner. At that level your opponent could have somewhere around 7 titans, less if he wants to stack up on heavy hitters.
But christ on a cross, imagining this guy with astorum or something is pants-shitting

>> No.77178220

Any cheap third party places for minis anymore or did the lawyer military snuff them out? I just want one or two that doesn't cost a video game each.

>> No.77178327

wait, why are the warmaster shoulder weapons cards so out of line with the weapon cards already out there
>BG is +1 instead of -1 at long range, up ten points
>melta cannon lost a point of strength, lost range, 5 points cheaper
>apocs get 3 instead of five shots for the same cost
I can’t tell if these are typos again or intentional changes. Do they intend to roll any of these out to the equivalent weapons cards for other titans?

>> No.77178665

>>77177474
The game won't die as long as games are being played.

>> No.77178996

>>77155300
>>77155363
It says at the end of the book that it's a lie

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Got my hands on a copy, will post spoilers after I read it for any interested

>> No.77179360

>>77177651
>Nah heresy has a garbage fanbase with little to no houseruling or conversion
You might be retarded and not know what you're talking about. There are entire fanmade blackbooks, one of which is covering the Great Crusade and is finishing up GC-era Eldar.

>> No.77179390

>>77179360
Series of* blackbooks, excuse me

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>>77179249
If you can take a photo of map in high res (and the Primarchs arts), I'll be grateful. I found low-res map only.

>> No.77179747

Iron Hands (Traitor) 2475pts

HQ:

Iron Father [270pts]: Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, On Foot, Paragon Blade, Power Fist, Volkite Charger, Warlord
Cyber-familiar
Iron Father: Servo-arm

Praevian [745pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Cyber-familiar, Melta Bombs, On Foot, Refractor Field, Thunder Hammer
Consul
Praevian
Castellax Class Battle-Automata Maniple: Support Unit
2x Castellax class Battle-automata: 2x Bolter, Multi-melta, Siege Wrecker
3x Castellax class Battle-automata: 2x Bolter, Multi-melta, Two Power Blades
Legion Inductees
Praevian's Legiones Astartes

Elites:

2x Apothecary, Legion: Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Cyber-familiar
Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

2x Contemptor Dreadnought, Legion: Blessed Autosimulacra, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon

Troops:
2x (identical load out) Breacher Siege Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [450pts]: 19x Breacher Siege Space Marines, Legion
Additional Wargear: 2x Flamer, 2x Graviton Gun, Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion
Breacher Siege Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Cyber-familiar, Melta Bombs, Power Fist

Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon

Trying to be fluffy (but took HotG purely for the free blessed autosimulcra), is the list retarded otherwise? If so I've got a more competitive, back board-camping and well-rounded gunline with AA,

Fluff is a Guelph-tier IH hyper-religious formation that sided out of principle with Kelbor Hal, always having been distant from Ferrus because of their kooky machine cult obsession. Leader is a dark techno-crusader kind of character who sees himself as still an Iron Hand and on the path that Ferrus undertook but was too weak/close minded to fully finish

>> No.77180120

>>77179249
seconding >>77179737 but if u can update on shiban i’d be greatful

>> No.77180430

>>77179249
Screw spoilers scan it plz

>> No.77180534

>>77178665
So dead before the end of the year
Got it

>> No.77180739

>>77177762
after Brexit

it's not going to be worth exporting the thing, may not even be worth buying in the resin to use making them to order for the domestic market

they've only sold a little over 1000 Warlords worldwide since 2015 so far as anybody's certificates show, I mean don't get me wrong, it's an impressive number of sales for such a niche and expensive product, but if they can't get resin except at high cost for whatever reason, can't shift production to the EU they're totally going to shift GW production to the EU, they're not dumb, but FW might be harder to move, it's not going to be worthwhile

basically everything's fucked on import/export right now

>> No.77180755

>>77176231
hey at least you'll get Daemon Angron for 40k

>> No.77180874

>>77179747
Well, it scares me a bit, so it must be doing something

>> No.77181115

>>77179747
the breachers are pants on head retarded if i’m honest.

>> No.77181385

>>77180739
>they've only sold a little over 1000 Warlords worldwide since 2015
Wow
that's fucking low, but considering how much warlord cost and that you can't play with it's s still big achivment.
Now I wonder how many recast warlords are there.

>> No.77181676
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>>77180739
Maybe even less than 1000. I bought one in June and this was the certificate I got.

>> No.77181704
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>>77178179
It's a mid ranged titan though, and it's slow. It's got bad anti-shield weaponry what with its missiles only being three shots each. This might be a case where twin turbos are better as you have the reactor and servitors to shoot whatever shieldbane you want. The lack of dual missiles also means first fire isn't as effective

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>>77177466
On one hand the cheapest loadout is 1060, on the other if your opponent brings it you can flood the table with extra units but this really is the end of any knight unit. Potentially four plasma weapons on a huge model with full arc.
But it's only mid ranged with 30" on the plasma destructors so you can potentially just kite it with volcano cannons and missiles. No special upgrade to the defense guns despite having big cannons and knee cannons.

>> No.77182393

>>77181704
>too slow and mid range

16” to me is a perfectly serviceable engagement range, i’m really not worried about that. it turns a bit better than a warlord too with a lot of arc weapons
> It's got bad anti-shield weaponry what with its missiles only being three shots each.
yeah that’s weird, but I think VMBs are perfectly serviceable. you’re already trying to close and they aren’t carapace. even outside 8” they should be great.
>This might be a case where twin turbos are better as you have the reactor and servitors to shoot whatever shieldbane you want.
Doubt. between pushing movement, pushing shields and your insane main guns needing a push and maximal to go balls out, you’re already power hungry as hell, and you have to push TWICE. no thank you. I’ve run the math enough on shieldbane to know that, factually, even without factoring in the cost of pushing it’s worse at stripping than VMBs by a huge margin in every scenario though within the close range of these new mini-apocs the destructors should be a bit better. Honestly, blastguns are better shield stripping weapons on this guy
>The lack of dual missiles also means first fire isn't as effective
definitely, but again you want to close close so that’s not a worry to me. This is a titan to order split fire to literally every turn
all that said it’s just too expensive. if you take it you’re going to have 2 less activations than your opponent, no way around it, and a lot of eggs in one very big basket. It could be 200 points less and it would still be a niche titan. Also whoever put together the cost for the revelator is retarded, point blank. You’ll hardly ever fire it for fucks sake.

>> No.77182441

>>77179360
Link?

>> No.77182492

>>77182441
used to be in our mega before it got nuked. I miss the guy who put it all together, he just loaded them up with senpai rules and stuff. it’s done by the aussies, mournival events i think?

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77182531

Payday came and went, and now I've got a bunch of Deimos Rhinos coming and I even bought the fucking doors to go with them.

>> No.77182621

>>77182492
Ok I thought so, sounded like something different when you described it

>> No.77182778

>>77179249
SCAN IT

>> No.77182866

>>77181704
> its midranged!!!
One turn of full strike and then it squats there.
Even less with Mortis, Osedax strats that gove a pre game move.
> first fire isn't as good
Yeah, but its got so many weapons who gives a shit. You want to ensure you are mobile enough to employ them, not risk losing arc for a single shit in the movement phase

>> No.77182956

>>77182393
> pointing on the revelation missiles is retarded
This. So much this.
Seriously FW rule makers always seem to have to have one retarded mistake, at a minimum, in every rule system.
Its a fucking 3 shot turbo laser, you can only use 4 time, in the shit tastic carapace corridor.
I would rather NOT take the fucking thing.
Someone tell Mr. Paki to stop pooing in the streets and make better rules

>> No.77183153

>>77182956
>you can only use 4 time
limited 4 is such a pointless rule, let alone on a corridor gun you can’t fire with 12”. If you fire this gun 3 times in a game either you or your opponent are retarded.

>> No.77183307

>>77178327
>melta cannon lost a point of strength, lost range, 5 points cheaper
someone pointed out that the apocs could be future warhound arms weapon apocs, maybe this weaker melta cannon could be a future warhound arm weapon?
either one of those would help give warhounds more variety.

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77183497

no of you bastards told me jubal was fucking hot. Papa bear here can fuckin get it.

>> No.77183652

>>77183497
Dude, he's a White Scar. They all can fucking get it, it's part of the legion aesthetic.

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Trying to work out how the Warmaster might look with the shoulder guns.

>> No.77183887

>>77179747
Praevian is too heavily invested. Tanky af, especially for legion who lack high Str, low ap with multiple shots usually, but their threat range is pot shot multimeltas and hoping for a T3 charge, and that's assuming nobody moves out of range
Kheres Mortis - expensive, short range, whose interceptor is both short range and limited to non-movement, and also arc limited - these are grav dread/melta pod bait
Breachers: precisely because of the prevalence of T4.5 blobsquads, I don't know many who recommend s8 ap3, and there aren't many sources of it in legion lists - vindicators, Medusa and Typhon are all pretty commonplace catchalls. The 6++ is a slight uptick in tankiness, but its not as though anti Infantry to fire at has anything better to fire, and the graviton gun is heavy 18" with only a small blast. The scatters hurt, and not being able to reliably move to claim objectives even more so

Im sorry, anon. I don't like it: move forward slowly, and hope that your 2 Dreads last long enough against 2500pts lists worth of AT, hope the enemy leaves valuable units within 12-14" of the castellax, and hope that ~40 bolter marines can last 5 turns against 2500pts list worth of antiinfantry

Honestly, because of the scout, vorax IMHO are preferential. Not as tanky, but faster, and therefore actually able to threat and force fire priority. Perhaps consider muktiple squads
Dreadnoughts: I'm not a fan of mortis Kheres for aa: either deredeo who can make use of their long range weapons and have aioli missiles, your own lightnings or just don't bother and consider it a wipe
The Warlord is very heavily melee kitted given his only use will be killing 3-4 guys who assault the breaches, he can't join the praevian iirc - an opponent will be better off poling and just shooti g the unit as a super expensive hq rots doing little
I'd rethink the breacher investment totally, not a particularly good unit

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>>77182531

>> No.77184274

>>77182393
>all that said it’s just too expensive
it's great if your opponent also has one.

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>>77184222
Trips confirms that I am, in fact, a moron

>> No.77184497

MORTIS SCANS
PLEEEAASSE

>> No.77184512

>>77184497
No.

>> No.77184626

>>77184274
I didn’t actually enjoy the mirror matches of the gamesmaster edition games, and i don’t think the extra strats of a 2k game will make that any more fun.

>> No.77184656

>>77184497
i hope he doesn’t scan it just to spite begging cunts like you. literally sub human. he’s had it for a single day, it’s hundreds of pages, and he’d have to ruin his expensive limited edition version.

>> No.77184769

>>77184626
well the alternative is to let your opponent take an entire light maniple so you can use Daddy Brick Shithouse in your battlegroup

>> No.77184800

>>77183686
huh, it’s a bigger improvement than i would have thought.

>> No.77184850

>>77184497
Fuck off, entitled cunt

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Imagine being such a loser into thinking the warhound titan is at all cooler than something larger than it.

>> No.77185066

Warmaster suddenly makes the warbringer look much more attractive, as it’s one of the better titans for killing the bastard. a titan with warlord defenses and reaver movement with a BFG on its back and reaver arms will have a use. A ruptura with one quake and one aggressive bellicosa warbringer with some mid range/melee reavers feels like a pretty solid counter to the warmaster. Quake cannons also seem very attractive on a warlord now, though breaking the shields first won’t be an easy job.
Pretty happy to have something fresh and new in the game.

>> No.77185110

>>77185066
the rules additions to the slate gives me new hope for an Imperator

>> No.77185131 [DELETED] 

>>77184512
I said pléiade
>77184656
Tldr
>>77184850
Ablooblobloo kys loser

>> No.77185287

>>77181676
I read somewhere (perhaps even FW reply) that the number on certificate is completely random and doesn't mean anything.

>> No.77185390

>>77185110
Its scale 16 would be at minimum 1,600 points before kit and insanely massive. The warmaster is at minimum 6” tall and probably closer to 8”, so you’re looking at a monstrosity about 10” tall at this point.
I can’t even begin to imagine it’s weapons and stats. 5 crit pips, 2+ voids, 18+ required to crit and 14 to damage, and the guns would somehow half to dwarf the new plasma destructors.
I’d be cool as a collectors piece, but if anything the warmaster makes me question the imperator more and i prefer the warmonger anyway

>> No.77185391

>>77185066
The tiny t-rex arms make sure the Warbringer will never look attractive.

>> No.77185446

>>77185390
The Warmaster is around the size of a 40k-sized Knight Questoris, so a Imperator would be roughly around a Cerastus?

>> No.77185545

Nobody seems to have realized that the value of the warmaster is that the shoulder weapons aren't on the carapace so you can shoot them at whatever you want. That's an entire titan that can't be engaged in close combat.

>> No.77185571

>>77185390
>Its scale 16
scale 20

>> No.77185628

>>77185545
we all realize that mate
>>77185571
I’ll have to dig up molech but didn’t the imperator in there have scale 16?

>> No.77185653

>>77185628
If it did it's wrong, and gay.

>> No.77185674

>>77185653
scale 20 would make it literally twice the size of a warlord and i’m pretty sure it’s only 60% larger.

>> No.77185735

>>77185674
it's twice the size

>> No.77185800

>>77185735
and where are you getting that info from?

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>>77185800

>> No.77185908
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>>77185845

>> No.77185959

>>77185908
>>77185845
fair enough point yeah.

>> No.77186189

>Retrofitted to allow the Sicaran hull to carry heavier firepower, the Omega is a formidable tank hunter. It utilises the speed provided by the Sicaran’s engines to apply overwhelming short range firepower in battle, racing forwards to ambush and obliterate the lumbering siege tanks of enemy columns.

The sicaran omega looks great, but the rules are garbage.
What would you do to fix it, anon?

>> No.77186342

>>77186189
Range 36"
strenght 10 Heavy 3 sustained
Heavy 8 volley
Idk man, venator still has better gun.

>> No.77186545

>>77186189
>>77186342
I think lance and 2 shots would be cool on the sustained burn, although maybe that steps in the venators toes.
Alternatively, making it a true beam weapon like a mini (plasma) glaive would also be hilarious, if of questionable effectiveness.

>> No.77186666

>>77178327
Don't forget inferno gun is now 7 dice S3.
I think its typos honestly.

>> No.77186736

>>77186666
that’s clearly a typo, and the PBG might be too, but the apocs have a new name and the melta cannon changed a lot. Hilarious that it’s impossible to know since they typo fucking constantly

>> No.77186782

>>77186666
Where is this inferno gun card?

>> No.77186887

>>77186782
> go to snip a screen shot
> its been changed
What the fuck. They actually CHANGED the article!! Sweet Jesus that is sad.

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Does anyone actually buy from Forge World anymore? I haven't bought anything from them in 5 years, I don't remember the prices being this retarded.

>> No.77186966

>>77186887
They've changed article pictures before. NL termies with the chain blade naming

>> No.77186972

>>77186950
Yeh I buy from them all the time. Just bought a Cerberus, really sick model. About to finish assembling some Destroyers I bought a couple weeks ago too.

>> No.77186974
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What colors do I paint Word Bearers purity zeals/ oaths of moment?

>> No.77187010

>>77186950
I tend to get important stuff from FW, and lesser things, like models I'm buying for one or two bits from recasters.

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>>77186972
Why tho, you can get the same thing for 20% of the price for the same quality from a china man

>> No.77187114

>>77187028
As someone that buys a lot of recasts, they can be wildly unpredictable in quality. I got some tartaros termies a bit back, and they were straight up unusable they were so badly miscast. I could complain to the recaster, and wait another 4+ months to get them, or I could just bite the bullet and buy the plastic kits.
I don't trust recasters with anything too detailed. When I get a custodes dread I will get it from FW, probably. That being said I may try getting it from the recaster I use just because it's like 30 bucks. Can always say I got it second hand if anyone asks if it's a recast.

>> No.77187180

>>77187028
Because I can. I don't generally trust Chinamen or any recasters. I suspect many of the loose bits I buy on eBay and other sites are recasts, however.
>>77187114
FW, while usually of acceptable quality and superb detail for models of this size, still fuck up their casts and do occasionally exhaust me by giving me wrong items/missing pieces from their kits. Their QC seemed inconsistent even waaay before Covid.

>> No.77187196

>>77186966
>>77186782
>>77186736
I went to the Facebook page to confirm.
Yeah they admitted to fucking up and said they changed the article.
Apparently they also auto corrected "princeps" as "princess" multiple times as well...
When someone asked if the box will ALSO have typo ridden cards, they never answered.

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>>77187114
Don't you vet your caster? Irene and Sptk are top notch, with the latter having orders shipped to your doorstep in a month.
>>77187180
Fair enough, I just can't justify it when the price of an order goes over $1000.

>> No.77187397

>>77187362
I use CnF, as I have found his prices are decent, and outside of the tartaros I haven't had any miscasts like I did with wartable. The only downside is it takes like 3+ months to get to me from Russia. Usually by the time I'm about to complain about it's shipping it shows up on my doorstep.

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>>77186974
Purple and green seem to be the two most popular. You could also do black purity seals if you feel cartoonish evil.

>> No.77187608

>>77178125
You mean an insider.

>> No.77187622

>>77187608
you mean the same insider that says there are interns working at GW?

>> No.77187658
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>>77187622
Yes.

>> No.77187686

>>77187658
i forgot since he wasn't using a trip and in no way verified it was him who made that post. and Claimed ADB was writing the rules for the next chaos codex.

>> No.77187705

Is there any place to find Horus heresy audiobooks? Or have we lost all the archives

>> No.77187841
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The minimum for 1 warmaster titan is 1060. 5 warhound titans with 4 plasma blastguns, 1 turbolaser, and 4 vulcan mega bolters is 1060.
So for the cost of that one warmaster your opponent can take a full Luprical light maniple, plus whatever they take to match the other maniple you have to take alongside the warmaster. Now that's dead killy

>> No.77187887

>>77187841
no wait it's 2 blastguns 3 turbos. Whatever it's still 5 warhounds

>> No.77188029

>>77187705
Audiobook bay has a huge torrent with most of them.

>> No.77188037

>>77187196
what!? there might be a typo on a titanicus weapons card??? :O i’ll believe it when i see it.

>> No.77188084

>>77187841
the warmaster could easily kill 1-2 warhounds a turn.
better example is a fully kitted corsair demi maniple, or two warbringers.

>> No.77188392

I’m about to start painting my first Word Bearers. What movies/shows should I watch to fit the mood?

I just finished Event Horizon

>> No.77188423

>>77188392
I’ve heard BoFA is good. give it a go and tell us what you think

>> No.77188435

>>77187362
>Sptk
Catalog or site? Haven't heard of it. Manageable to find by myself?
BTW anyone knows where ol legion etched bass is still for purchase? Not interested in eBay scalpers of course.

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>>77188392

>> No.77188456

>>77188423
Rude

>> No.77188480

>>77188456
?? what

>> No.77188543

>>77179249
Post primarchs arts and illustrations please.

>> No.77189663

I wouldn't mind fiddling around with some more knight lances but they really are just so fucking useless. Even if you kit them out they'll never be better than another titan

>> No.77189882

>>77187686
This.

He also went quiet as soon as people pointed out the holes in his story, how some people can be so fucking gullible on 4chan of all places is ridiculous

>> No.77190419

>>77189663
the real kick in the balls is that you will almost always have less activations with a knight army than a titan army. so your units are weaker, die faster, have less customization and you get less tactical flexibility? and speaking of you get worse tactics cards!
The new upgrade banners help, but they also let you turn the acastus into something even more heinous and broken by removing the ability to crit them with anything without fusion

>> No.77190442

Is FW going to be better now since A*uj left?

>> No.77191716

>>77186950
If FW still make it, then I'll buy it. "Wah wah cheaper Chinaman" is a fucking weak excuse to me since almost every recaster I've used has been shit. Why spend 3 months waiting for some resin that will kill me, that inevitably ends up arriving missing bits, or broken, or miscast 70% of the time, when I could just support the company who I want to keep supporting the game I like, and have the models within a week and get replacement parts if they fuck up?

I'll use recast parts to get stuff that FW don't make anymore, because where else am I going to get it? No one loses that way, but every time some poorfag who shouldn't be in this expensive hobby directs their support away from the game it brings us a step closer to the end of it.

>> No.77191769

>>77191716
write your fuckin member of parliament about it

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>>77191716
>Why spend 3 months waiting for some resin that will kill me, that inevitably ends up arriving missing bits, or broken, or miscast 70% of the time

>> No.77192185

>it was actually Omegon who got killed by Dorn
god somebody please nuke BL

>> No.77192280

>>77192185
Can't we all just pretend that the Alpha Legion never existed? I'm sure they'd love that anyway, but it would definitely improve the setting. They are by far the most silly and flanderised element of this setting at this point.

>> No.77193214

>>77190442
Who ?

>> No.77193225 [SPOILER] 
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M O R T I S
S I T O R M
S C A N
N A C S

>> No.77193356
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I got a pair of old metal Techpriests and I'm thinking of making an Enginseer Auxilia unit for Militia. Is 8 plasma-fusil servitors the way to go? Maybe throw in an augury scanner into the mix to protect the rear? Or stuff them into a FA Termite and take the fight to the enemy?

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Has anyone got experience with pic related? I'm thinking of using them as proxies for servitors in 40k but I'm not sure of the scale compared to regular servitors. Also, on FW it says they've got bolters but I can't see them in any pics, was hoping on modelling a few with them and just saying they're heavy bolters.

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>>77185674
>>77185735
>>77185800
this is the size of the old emperor next to a new warlord. you can figure it out from that. the scale difference between old AT and new AT is approximately 2.5x. (original titans were half scale compared to original epic / space marine. epic was nominally 1/5th the size of 40k. new AT / AI is 1/4th the size of 40k).

>> No.77193482

>>77171814
you want floral wire as the core for GS tentacles.
guitar wire (typically E or A strings) works great for tubes.

>> No.77193489

>>77164774
meaby bikes with multi meltas?

>> No.77194413

>>77193214
street shitter diversity hire who can't write rules

>> No.77194720

>>77193426
... thank you?

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Pretty satisfied with how the test order from Russia with love turned out.

>> No.77194942

Do Leviathan or Contemptor arms work with Castaferrum bodies? I've got the Mk4 Ironclad chassis in people recommended, but all my melee arms are left arms.

>> No.77194991

>>77159416

I mean it’s the same height as an imperator minus the spires, so if you added spires it would just *be* an imperator.

>> No.77194997

>>77194861
Was that CnF? The MkII he sent me fucking sucked

>> No.77195009

>>77159763

Are we going to get that boxing glove shaped missile launcher?

>> No.77195087

>>77194997
No, another one. There are some casting errors but nothing a sharp knife can't fix. As far as I can see there won't be any need for heating or green stuff.

>> No.77195105

>>77183686

Nice, shame they decided on worthless air defence instead.

Alternately, skip the armpit guns *and* the air defence platforms and mount a damn warlord gun on the shoulders.

>> No.77195168

>>77194991

I think this kinda puts to bed the idea an imperator is too big for Titanicus: This new Titan has significantly more firepower than an imperator does and is getting mixed reactions.

>> No.77195196

>>77193489
> Multi-meltas against Spartans
Have you ever in your life seen anyone not take Armoured Ceramite on a Spartan?

>> No.77195458

> Traitor Fists Guy here
> Fucking around with Mournival
> Literally no points changes for Heavy Weapon Lascannons, Breacher Squads, etc
> Fists get the shittiest ammo type (Why yes, I'll roll every tactical with a bolter separately, that's not annoying at all)
> Can't even use new Gunnery Centurion to effect because he gives what I already have
> fucking Space Furries get a half-dozen new squads
Really, Mournival guys? Did the Wolves really need to be even more different from every other legion?

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>>77186950
yes

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77195987

Hmm, not sure if this beetleback design works for me.

>> No.77196015

>>77195987
It looks good. A bit like a Warjack, but that might be the colour. It's a fun design.

>> No.77196047

>>77185287
Nah, they're sequential. http://titanownersclub.blogspot.com/p/warlord-owners.html

>> No.77196190

>>77190442
No, now we have to survive on Jonh French writing alone.

>> No.77196250

>>77196190
Not even.

It was only after Anuj was hired that we got two Black Books.

Someone get an Ouija board to get Bligh to write something.

>> No.77196683

>>77195987
breasts

>> No.77196716

>>77184497
Begone peasant

>> No.77196770

>>77195987
looks different, i like it

>> No.77196797

>>77192185
Makes sense

>> No.77196825

Mortis scan when?

>> No.77196851

>>77196825
When non-limited edition versions of it have been out for two weeks, allowing people who would be interested in breaking their book to scan it a chance to get the work done.

>> No.77196955

>>77196851
That's not how it works. Limited editions of books 2, 3 and 4 were scanned soon after release.

>> No.77196979

>>77196825
Mortis spoilers when

>> No.77196990

>>77196955
Yes. The world was in a different place at that time.

>> No.77197113

>>77195458
that's the problem with fan systems, they're invariably full of fanwank

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>>77195458
sorry my guy. but i agree with most your complaints. our group has tinkered with that project along with our own additions or homebrew but we havent really made anything for fists. seeing as our fist player hasent been able to play much for about 2 years.

>> No.77197501

>>77195458
Mournival rules are shit news at 11

>> No.77197536

>>77195458
Alright, just realized I've been bitching about shit instead of getting things done and making something better, and like, what am I, an Iron Warrior?

So, let's talk Heavy Weapon Lascannons and Breacher Squads, in specific. I feel like Heavy Weapon Lascannon squads could manage to be viable with only a points drop - Missile launchers are 5 ppm and aren't that much of a downgrade. 10 ppm? 15? I'm feeling like 10 is probably better, since they're still tactical marine statlines at the end of the day, but I'm also hella prejudiced.

Breachers are a lot harder. They're fundamentally tactical marines with a bit of an upgrade, but is that upgrade really worth it over keeping it simple, low-points, and moving on? The first idea is simply to make them sidegrades to tactical squads, both in points and upgrades - Trading FotL for a 6++ and reroll against blasts honestly seems like it'd be a fair trade. But, I like the idea of giving them something more to justify their points increase over Tacticals. Shield Wall almost seems like something you could give universally, and then give Warders an innate +1T when in B2B with each other. You'd need to remake the Stone Gauntlet, but Fists' RoW needed a rework anyway with how shit Hammerfall Strikeforce is.

Stone Gauntlet, in turn, could hypercharge the Boarding Shields, while still giving the +1T to Storm Shields. +1 Invuln from them, making the squad have an innate 5++ in base contact? They're, again, still basic tactical marines in statline, and you'd have to stand in "Template me!" position in order to make it happen.

Thoughts?

>> No.77197823

>>77197536
>I feel like Heavy Weapon Lascannon squads could manage to be viable with only a points drop
Guy who was talking about lascannon squads being shit earlier and I agree. As for cost when houseruling make units underwhelming and incrementally improving them is a good rule of thumb since the issue with any rules is getting others to accept them and people are more apt to face overcosted units than undercosted units. So I would start at 15 ppm and drop to 10 after a few games if you think it is needed.

>Breachers
I like the idea of universally giving them shield wall, still would price them a bit more than tacticals since FOTL is situationally useful 6++ and hardened armour is almost universally beneficial with no drawbacks.

>Stone gauntlet
Not a fists guy so I don't know their rules or rites off the top of my head but I would be wary about stacking buffs in general.

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