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When D&D fucked up D&D fans took their shit to competitors or stuck to their old game in droves, doing so in such numbers Paizo is still churning out their own games and made WoTC seek a new plyerbase.

When MTG fucks up MTG players invent their own formats to use the cards they have on hand and WoTC has to try to cover their bases and pander to speculators.

Even in wargaming, when Warmachine fucked up Privateer Press became a nobody overnight. When Battletech fucked up they lost the fandom, almost lost the company, and only now is CGL earning back any community goodwill.

GW fucks up and as soon as they even wave their dick in their fan's directions people jump to gobble it down. GW instead of being held accountable for their actions makes vague noises in the right direction and all is forgiven going from such a weak spot in 6th and 7th 40k to a new level of domineering now, they killed WHFB after such an abysmal joke of the End Times, people kept buying WHFB models, and are now salivating at the thought of the Old World when all we have is a title. GW hasn't even promised to be better, just said Old World is coming pack and people are lining up to forgive them.

Why the fuck are GW fans such battered wives willing to forgive and forget mistakes, make vague noises of discontent online, and then buy the newest marine release? What separates them from other fandoms who would outright abandon companies for their fuckups?

>> No.75635765

>>75635726
It's just a few shills. I've never forgiven GW.

>> No.75635782

>>75635765
> j jus-just a few shills!!!
> glances at stock price

>> No.75635835

>>75635726
>When MTG fucks up MTG players invent their own formats to use the cards they have on hand and WoTC has to try to cover their bases and pander to speculators.
Get a load of this guy

>> No.75635836

>>75635765
If it was just a few shills things like 9th Age or any of the other projects would have materialized into some sort of community with a noticeable playerbase, GW wouldn't be bringing back some old projects or running games meant to pander to some of the older fanbase, and wouldn't have the two most successful wargames.
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/45370/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2019

They made the vaguest of motions towards fixing mistakes, like making 7th edition more playable as long as only marines are used with the HH ruleset and people are buying marines in droves just for a slightly different look.

>> No.75635903

>>75635726
Idk man i like Orkz i buy Orkz
not a big fan of GW itself but i get around that by buying from local shops rather than from GW stores
Not much more to it really, i don't know why everyone is fixed on marines when out of the people i know 2-3 max play them out of like 10+ players
You should just do/play what you enjoy most rather than getting mad at a large company for behaving like a large company

>> No.75635944

>>75635903
Answer:
>Sunk cost fallacy
>Having self respect and principles is hard.
>I cant have fun unless I mindlessly consume.

>> No.75635979

>>75635944
This.

>consumer base are childish men "MONEY ISN'T EVEN A CONSIDERATION, GIVE ME COOL NEW TOYS"

>> No.75635983

The answer is I think GW sells the fake idea that these are 'Your Dudes'. That in combination with 'Your Dudes are actually the most powerful faction just waiting to rise up' builds a fanbase of devoted consumeristic idiots.

>>75635944
This is what Im talking about right here. The person doesn't realize that if more people (including him) had more sef control and respect, the prices for orks would be lower and stuff like having to pay for the codex for the stuff you already own wouldn't be happening.

When a fanbase sees itself as DEPENDAND on a company, thats when its the most pathetic.

>> No.75636003

>>75635726
Have you considered the possibility that people might buy things because they like those things?
>inb4 "nooo; how dare you buying the miniatures you like even after the fluff hurt my feefes!"

>> No.75636034

>>75635726
For one I get the most out of my money by actually enjoying painting GW models and playing with my friends for two I’m not enough of a faggot to be concerned about what the zeitgeist on an illegal Mongolian basket weaving forum thinks

>> No.75636215

>>75635726
The small scale skirmish games are fun. I play the occassional game of Space Hulk, Blood Bowl or Warcry with my friends, but other than that I just pick up the occasional model as a painting project.
It's an enjoyable little hobby, but there's no fucking way I'm paying the money for a full AOS or 40k army.

>> No.75636259

>>75635726
Because for all the rule fuck-ups and frequently shit lore, 40k stuff is pretty damn cool and the models have a specific feel to them I’ve not seen replicated anywhere else. That said, AoS fans can fuck off. The moment WF got the axe any unique aesthetics and interesting lore were cut away with it

>> No.75636279

They're in a different league with how famous the brand is. I saw their stocks went up with covid too. Blood bowl is the best by far, but partly because it's been in a 90s time capsule even with the reboot. Now that it's been successful they are arbitrarily messing with the rules to make money out of a new edition & I will have to experience GW bastardry.

>> No.75636321

>>75635726
Clearly because unlike the micropenises you mentioned, GWs cock is mighty and it's the only cock that can scratch the itch.

To use your faggot analogy...

>> No.75636328

>>75635979
>>75635944
You guys do you, i'm not 'dependant' on a company, other than GW stuff i also do some historical minatures and i have a few model ships, i just buy Orkz cause i like Orkz lmao
At the end of the day it's a hobby, all the people who screech about GW prices are either secondaries or poorfags since there's a million ways to spend less between tertiary shops, ebay and resellers, if you buy straight from GW online shop you deserve to be scammed, if a thing costs too much just don't buy it is it so fucking hard to process? I'm not being held at gunpoint to buy their overpriced marine junk if i don't like it

>> No.75636346

>>75635726
Plenty of people left over WHFB 7th/8th edition and came back for AoS 2nd edition and 40k actually being good again anon.

>> No.75636564

>>75635726
What game do you play? You just sound salty for no reason. What the fuck does this even mean...?

>GW fucks up and as soon as they even wave their dick in their fan's directions people jump to gobble it down

I quit mid 6th edition and started back in 8th edition, always loved the fluff and factions for 40k but the rules were just horrendous at the time. Switched to warmachine, rules were okay, kinda tryhard but the fluff and characters were horrendous. So now I get the best of both worlds with 8th, are the rules perfect? Of course not but the models and fluff are enough for me.

>> No.75636588

>>75635782
He's right you stupid faggot. I buy recasts and will never give thoses kikes a penny.

>> No.75636592

>>75635726
anon, 40k is good again.

>> No.75636600

>>75635726
It's mostly childhoo nostalgia for me.

I was skeptical of 8e but actually enjoyed it but then they went back to the same old new model power creep and a million splatbook bullshit and I gave up.

Haven't played any 9th yet and it just looks bad so I doubt I'll bother. Maybe 10th wont suck?

>> No.75636611
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>>75636328
Yes you are dependent on them, but go ahead and waste your time convincing otherwise.

>> No.75636621

>>75636592
Explain why 40k is good again

>> No.75636630

>>75635726
Because D&D is just sitting around telling stories to each other and you're just wrong about Magic. Wargaming is about models and GW make the best ones. Artlets don't @ me with some overwrought GW clone from Ukraine you've found. They're all shit.

>> No.75636646

>>75635726
What's the competition? Warmahordes is dead and Battletech is just coming back from death. I haven't heard about Flames of War in years either, but that's historical wargaming and not fantasy/sci-fi
If you want a tabletop wargame to play at your FLGS, its a GW product or nothing.

>> No.75636665

>think WHFB is shit
They cancel it
>want to continue playing space marines after buying dark vengeance
They come out with better marine sculpts
>start getting interested in Iron Warriors
They release new csm sculpts
>was thinking about starting crons
They revitalize almost the entire range
>get a hankering for skirmish games
They come out with a whole hand full of them

I'm not a battered wife, it's just that they haven't done anything wrong regarding the parts of the hobby that i like.

>> No.75636675

>>75636630
>GW makes the best ones
O I AM LAFFIN
gw makes some of the shittiest normie trash I have EVER seen

>> No.75636690

>>75635726
I've never went back to 40k since I quit when 3ed came out.
When I got a stable job and decent disposable income I wanted to go back and fulfill my teenage dreams of having a nice big army. Met with GW employees, got a "we're actually a model company not a game company" spiel, figured the rules would be shit then and noped out and got into Infinity instead.
A few years later several friends started a comfy gaming group, I thought what the hell, maybe I'll make a fun Tyranid list for bugs & pretzels. Started looking online, saw what a clusterfuck the mass of codices/army lists/various extra rules & articles was and how much of a pain it would be to get the units I wanted because some were FW and some were OOP, and said fuck it.

Now I play (with an extended break due to coof) Infinity, Malifaux and historicals.
It's not even that I've sworn off GW for ideological reasons, I bought a few Underworld warbands just to paint, but they're sure making their main games hard to like, and the recent specialist games reek of a pump & dump scheme.

Thank you for reading my blogpost.

>> No.75636748

>>75636665
That sounds like a consoomer bruh

>> No.75636786

>>75636611
Ok but what do you do then? If buying from any large company is being a consoomer what's the solution to it? Buying only stuff from unknown/obscure companies that make systems that nobody plays just for the sake of not buying from a large company? An important part of the hobby for me is the community aspect of it and GW shit is the easiest one in that regard as you can find a player anywhere
Do you have any actual argument or it's just screaming CONSOOM like a retarded secondary who misses the days they were never a part of?

>> No.75636929

>>75635726
40k players have been running alternate formats so ubiquitously for so long that GW started trying (badly) to emulate those formats in their own rules.

The reason they don't deal with the more egregious problems that occur with core game design or specific unit or army balance is that you can't actually get people to agree to those kinds of rules changes.

>> No.75637130

>>75636675
Yes, but when it comes to pure casting quality, they still make the best minis.

>> No.75637187

>>75636611
>Yes you are dependent on them
define dependent in this context so we can see how mentally ill you are and how wrong you can be proven

>> No.75637229

>>75636786
Print your own shit you mouth breather. Create your own shit. There's an entire community dedicated to the hobby that's way bigger than your stupid local GW, faggot. Get out of the fucking box and stop sucking their cock, loser.

>> No.75637236

>>75637130
No, no they do not.

>> No.75637247

>>75637130

okay i download pdfs of anything g want. scratch build terrain and buy exclusively 3rd party. haven't directly interacted with them in years so whatever dude i'm not really obligated to care about the shit stuff

>> No.75637250

>>75635726
Sorry anon you're such a zoomer that you missed out on WHFB

>> No.75637252

>>75635726
There are no competitive scene on D&D.

>> No.75637265

^sorry replying to op

>> No.75637290

>>75637236
Not him but in terms of ease of assembly and and multi option plastic sprues, their stuff is top notch. If you have another company that does it just as well I'd genuinely like to see. I picked up Harlequin troupes recently and I was so impressed at the quality and options I had.

In terms of resin though, GW is pretty shit and a lot of these "ukranian/pollock" companies do it way better with way more detail.

>> No.75637318

One thing about battered housewives is that to them, a day when they are not beaten is an example of it being 'Good'.
>GW is JUST massively overpriced. Gee whiz!
>I really like how GOOD GW is now that they have stabalized on just generally shitty practices instead of developing new shitty practices.

Maybe 40K acts like a magnet to the most bottom of the barrel consumers out there-desparate consumption addicts and so most other companies need to cater to people with even a modicum of taste and self control?

>> No.75637319

>>75637229
>There's an entire community dedicated to the hobby that's way bigger than your stupid local GW
he just told you, he gets other miniatures too

you have no given a single good reason why someone should not get a good miniature from GW when GW produces a good miniature

>> No.75637363

GW have the best miniatures (not only sculpt, but building, painting and resilience wise). Yeah sure, bring those shitty scultps everyone knows, 90% of their stuff is better than 90% out there. And I do buy a lot from other shops.
Their games are good.
>Big company bad
cringe

>> No.75637369

>>75637318
You can't afford it can you OP?
You still haven't told me what game you play..

>> No.75637391

>>75637236
Then please show me a competing manufacturer with better casting quality. And we're just talking about casting and sculpting quality, not "style" or aesthetic. Sharp edges, 90° angles, clearly distinct gubbins, stuff like that.

>> No.75637455

>>75637391
Creature caster and KD, Grishnak and Evil minis.

>> No.75637497

>>75637391
>Then please show me a competing manufacturer with better casting quality

Kingdom Death: Monster

>> No.75637529

Because the kinds of people playing magic and DnD aren't necessarily the same people who are Warhammer whales. DnD is barely even a game. You can literally sit with your friend behind a table and adlib/play make-believe with nothing but a bit of paper. Magic has game pieces but they are, for all intents and purposes, cheap bits of cardboard and the game is created in such a way that you won't stay attached to certain bits of cardboard, you're attached to the game or a particular format. Warhammer is a sunken cost of money, time and actual labour.

>> No.75637570

>>75637369
I thought about playing and using PDFs and 3D printed resin models to not have to pay exorbitant prices, but after I witnessed just how slavering and stupid the fanbase was, I decided not to.

When a fanbase sees itself in a position of dependency, the product will ultimately suffer.


>>75637319
>you have no given a single good reason why someone should not get a good miniature from GW when GW produces a good miniature
Because it encourages them to further jack up prices on a product they could have sold at significantly less.

>> No.75637625

>>75637570
How is the fanbase slavering when droves left during 6th and 7th edition. You said it yourself.
The community has proven that it won't put up with dumbshit if GW fuck up.
But recently they've released good products and they're rewarded for it.
Recently they come out with a terrain book and no one bought it or supported it.
That's how capitalism works anon, no reason to be upset about it.
You don't "forgive" companies, you talk with money.

>> No.75637643

>>75635726
>When MTG fucks up MTG players invent their own formats to use the cards they have on hand and WoTC has to try to cover their bases and pander to speculators.
Are we implying the group that holds WotC responsible makes up the majority of card sales?

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75637676

aos is a good game

>> No.75637689

>>75637676
Holy based

>> No.75637704

>>75637570
>Because it encourages them to further jack up prices on a product they could have sold at significantly less.
that's dumb, they jack up the prices regardless; why do you care if you do not intend to get anything from them anyway?

>> No.75637725

>>75635726
>When D&D fucked up D&D fans took their shit to competitors or stuck to their old game in droves, doing so in such numbers Paizo is still churning out their own games and made WoTC seek a new plyerbase.
>When MTG fucks up MTG players invent their own formats to use the cards they have on hand and WoTC has to try to cover their bases and pander to speculators.
And yet sales of both are at highs, yet only GW bad am I right?

>> No.75637847

>>75637497
>>75637455
Looked them all up. Nice minis indeed, but none of them are of better quality. They're pretty much the same.

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>>75635726

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>>75637676
so is 40k. i enjoy playing both with my friends :)

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>>75635726
why do you have a problem with people enjoying things?

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>>75635726

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>>75637979
very nice. Friends make every hobby better

>> No.75638143

>>75637979
40k is terrible

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>>75635726
>5 years
>Still mad
Sigmarines living rent free in your head faggot
How does it feels to know AoS is so succesful that it could brought back the money pit WHFB was? Wait until the TOW release to see how a game that will require hundreds of models to play at a base level will be a flop.

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>>75638143
thats okay that you feel that way, i still enjoy it. we can both enjoy different things fren

>> No.75639189

>>75638475
>proving OP's point this hard

>> No.75639268

>>75637922
How's the playerbase for it doing?

>> No.75640426

>>75638475
This is the exact problem, TOW only has a name shown for it and you retards are already trying to throw money at it.

>> No.75641485

>>75636588
He, and you, are wrong to think 'its just a few shills.'
Its obviously a lot of fucking people.

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