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Girls at your LGS edition

>Current metas, complete with deck lists
>Build and share decks

>Build and share cubes

>Search engines

Previously: >>75029944

tq: Do girls ever existed at your LGS? Where they part of the staff or genuine costumers/gamers? Did you interact with them? Do you have any interesting experiences that you would like to share?

>> No.75037401

>friendly, daily and threadly reminder that wotc is de facto printing an illegal cryptocurrency where prices are kept artificially inflated due to artificial scarcity and insider trading that gets distributed through lottery tickets and lootboxes and that they spend, all costs included, 2 cents per card to print them

>> No.75037406

The absolute horror

Horrible TQ that will only lead to shitposts like this

>> No.75037421

We have three women at my relatively small LGS. One is an older woman who plays infrequently but set collects foils and now secret lairs and alt arts. Owns at least 4 of basically all cards in magic including judge promos and power. One is a tranny that is just kinda there and is generally inoffensive as far as things go. Another is the girlfriend of a friend of mine and is again, just kinda there. Plays a cat tribal EDH deck and mono-green eldrazi in modern

>> No.75037555

>#2 Dredge
>Ever since Faithless Looting got banned I’ve been shocked by how many people still play this deck. I think it’s simply a bad choice. Not only have you lost your most powerful cards, but you also have a plethora of Ashioks and Spellbombs to fight through since Uro is in the format. As long as Uro is a pillar of Modern I don’t see the logic behind playing Dredge. The deck is always at its best when people are unprepared — which simply is not going to happen anymore.
>Dredge also used to pray on decks like Jund/Jeskai and other interactive strategies. These decks aren’t good anymore either so you’re pretty much trying to hunt down a house cat with a butter knife.

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>Personally, I hate it because the idea that optimizing your deck is bad is absolutely autistic.
I am a third world monkey and I have never encounter any randos who even know about the (((((social contract))))). It might be because all of our playerbase are in the top 5% (so we have little to no poorfags) or the society we live in, but if you bring snake tribal to the table, everyone in the store and even the TO and LGS owner will tell you your deck sucks and bring a better deck next time or gtfo. Hell we even have leagues and tournaments for cash prizes and everything. I have seen people shamelessly use turn 2 combos powered by ABUR duals and broken artifacts and RL staples.
While you mutts shame actual good players for wanting to improve, we shame scrubs to being craw wurms. Some abandon the game day one, but those who stay and endure he bullying are soon shaped into ruthless spikes.
You will also be shamed if you don't have a custom playmat or anime/superhero/dragon sleeves in some places.

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>Winner #2 - Death's Shadow
this is going to be the story of ever deck with black mana and half the decks without it

>> No.75037681

>You will also be shamed if you don't have a custom playmat or anime/superhero/dragon sleeves in some places.
Bitch I will use my top 8 playmats and if yall weebs shame me for not using them thats your problem
>While you mutts shame actual good players for wanting to improve, we shame scrubs to being craw wurms. Some abandon the game day one, but those who stay and endure he bullying are soon shaped into ruthless spikes.
Coddling timmies is one of the biggest problems current magic has. Fuck timmy.
>Hell we even have leagues and tournaments for cash prizes and everything.

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>Is it the "social contract" ?
I don't have a problem with politics, (that's just another factor you should account for) but when that gets into "social contract" autism (you can't play LD, you can't use counters, here's a list of 279 legal cards that aren't allowed in our group...) or flat out changing the rules, it's just unnaceptable
>Is it the multiplayer aspect?
cEDH is fine
>Is it the constant pandering from recent sets?
That's been a constant source of annoyance as well. I hate the fact that they spend so much time designing cards "for" EDH and shoving them in regular expansions. More unique effects, less "do X draw card"
>Is it because of its relaxed nature which contrasts with the overly competitive nature of every other format?
No idea what you're getting that from, competitive games are pretty chill in general except when going against literal autists or playing at GPs with pros/wannabe pros

>> No.75037736

If everyone is playing good decks EDH is probably a lot more fun that I've experienced, but whenever I sit down to play I always find the losers playing tap lands and vanilla 2/2s.

>> No.75037752

Is the new Black Goyf really shit or what? Financeanon said it was a trap.
I'm really only interested to see what happens with Shadow, not to spec on it.

>> No.75037807

>Your opponent's life total, a thing you have very little control over, has to be low, also, for it to function
>In a meta with assloads of incidental lifegain like Uro and Omn4th
You figure it out.

>> No.75037813

The days of Goyfs being good are over, anon.

>> No.75037826

>Doesn't even draws cards nor FIRE it up
Goyf should be $5 and so should this card

>> No.75037844

goyf is shit because everyone and their mum are maindecking GY hate to try and slow down the uropiles.

>> No.75037847

>Goyf should be $5
Unplayable in EDH so actually it should be 50 cents

>> No.75037858

What's the draw to EDH over other formats if you're playing competitively? Is the lack of any meaningful banlist more of a draw than a deterrent, since you can do really broken stuff? I would imagine something like Canlander is a much more balanced format if you want to play 100 card singleton.

>> No.75037880

EDH has created this weird mindset godawful mindset among the most of the shitters that play it, where people will shame you for creating and playing with good and powerful decks. To them EDH has a multitude of "acceptable archtypes" battlecruiser, superfriends lands matter and sometimes spellslinger and aristocrats depending on your group. Anything that isn't one of those archetypes (stax, control, combo, reanimator, infect, what have you) is verboten to probably 80% of playgroups and will get you actively fucked out of every game unless you win first. Even if your deck isn't a particularly strong version of those archtypes. Oh and if your deck is too strong of a version of the acceptable archtypes you get hated out too

>> No.75037933

like real money... it only has value, cause people think it has value

>> No.75037941

nobody plays canlander and EDH is pushed as fuck by WOTC so all the news get pushed to it

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Disregard girls, eat delicious pasta.
>friendly, daily and threadly reminder that wotc is de facto printing an illegal cryptocurrency where prices are kept artificially inflated due to artificial scarcity and insider trading that gets distributed through lottery tickets and lootboxes and that they spend, all costs included, 2 cents per card to print them

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Down here legacy and vintage are impossible to play. So the only home to play legacy cards is EDH. While our most competitive players do like being able to use their legacy staples, most of them prefer the 1v1 EDH variants (duel commander and Levitathan). We have nightly tournaments via cockatrice (provided you send the TO a picture of your whole real deck. Absolutely no proxies allowed). Sure, wealthy players have an advantage here, but others have begun to research countermeasures (MLD, Stax and artifact destruction. Hell even hyper aggro). Not a perfect world, but at least we push for creativity and improvisation.

>> No.75038070


I have many problems with EDH, and I'll start by naming the ones that cEDH solves. Power levels are inconsistent which leads to salty people who don't want to play anymore or will quit in the middle of the game. The wide variety of cards used means I just have to shrug and nod to whatever dumb card someone stuck in their deck says it does or else hold up the game an extra 20 minutes by reading all the cards I don't normally see. People seem to somehow get even saltier and have even dumber bad beat complaints in a supposed casual format.

As for things even cEDH can't fix. If you pick a deck with any kind of LD or taxing effect, get ready to never play with anyone again. People will always bitch if you have better/more expensive cards than them. Games can still take multiple hours because the autists who play it the most usually don't have any kind of tike restrictions set. Politics is always part of the game and no matter how little your deck is interacting or cooperating, someone can always convince the table to fuck you anyways. Even with cEDH being filled with tutors, your deck can be inconsistent as fuck with all 1-ofs.

>> No.75038071

>Girls at your LGS edition
are often trannies

>> No.75038095

When did /mmg/ get so fucking transphobic?

>> No.75038102

very progressive of you to consider them to be women

>> No.75038105

Why are there so many trannies in MTG? I also play a very autistic videogame(Dota 2) and the ammount of trans in the pro scene is exactly 0.

>> No.75038148

>Down here legacy and vintage are impossible to play. So the only home to play legacy cards is EDH.
Makes sense. I'd probably also gravitate towards EDH if my legacy scene died.

>> No.75038150

where have you been lol

>> No.75038161

>Why are there so many trannies in MTG?
It is a subverted subculture.

>> No.75038201

MtG is probably the best escapism card game out there. Yugioh and Pokemon are fine, but you don't get to craft your own wizard persona with the deck you create. Identifying as a green mage is different than being an Infernity player.

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>standard is fucked again

>> No.75038256

when was the last time Standard wasn't fucked again, honestly?

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oh wow who ever could have seen this coming
i did think rogues was going to come out on top though, seems like omn4th was king after all

>> No.75038290

I simply don't like playing it because the games are too long. Plus, it's difficult to play tempo when you have to deal with 40 life, multiple opponents, and playing politics. I'm not entirely sure if it's cancer, but I believe it's a substantially different game from conventional Magic, so Wizards should be careful creating cards catering to it in regular sets.

>> No.75038293

I will never get cedh.

>Deliberately casual 100 card singleton multiplayer format with lots of whacky cards and inconsistencies
>Make a deck full of tutors and 2 card win combos to be as consistent as possible

cedh honestly seems like the most autistic version of mtg possible

>> No.75038301

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say just prior to the release of Lorwyn was the last time Standard was actually a good format.

>> No.75038325

>Plus, it's difficult to play tempo when you have to deal with 40 life,
My group plays with 30 life and I can say it solves nearly every problem of the format. I think the only saving grace of EDH is that you can find a good playgroup that isn't full of crybaby consoomers. In that situation, the games are actually solid.

>> No.75038438

don't worry they are CLOSELY MONITORING standard

>> No.75038443

It gets more laughable when you consider the EDH rules committee doesn't even know or give two toots about what people play outside of their own playgroup. cEDH is like saying "I play COMPETITIVE kitchen table."

>> No.75038449

I did like RTR/INN standard
Though now that I think about it, resto+swagtusk was pretty cancerous. It just seems quaint nowadays.

>> No.75038451

>no modern

>> No.75038452

>Why are there so many trannies?
I'm going to be serious and say I think it has to do with various factors, including negative ones. Off-topic, so I'm spoilering.
-LGBT activism has made those with gender dysphoria more comfortable with coming out.
-Narcissists and autogynephiles have co-opted transsexuality because it's something that is considers both hip and worthy of automatic sympathy.
-The consequences of automatic sympathy, a product of the "progressive stack", is that it becomes difficult to criticize the behavior of insufferable individuals without being smeared as anti-trans or an intolerant person.
-Non-binary also offers and easy way for narcissists
-Political correctness has infested psychology, so it may turn out that transsexuality is a meme and SRS and HRT is a dead end like lobotomy.

As for why there are a significant number of transgender nerds, I'm not 100% sure.

>> No.75038505

>staring dramatically into your eyes as you cast a card
fuck, I'm always staring autistically into the table

>> No.75038512

>As for why there are a significant number of transgender nerds, I'm not 100% sure.
see: cuttlefish mating rituals
no seriously

>> No.75038530
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It's why I like Oathbreaker more. Planeswalkers are actually fun and fair because they act as a 2nd player to assist you. Plus, it's 60 cards and 20 life, so aggro and tempo players have a fighting chance.
I play Dovin, Grand Arbiter with Return to the Ranks as my signature in a singleton Spirits shell. I win out of nowhere with Rally of Wings and Mirrorweave along with a bunch of lords and tokens.

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>Planeswalkers are actually fun and fair
any format that promotes one of the biggest mistakes of design needs to be burned

>> No.75038585

>very progressive of you to consider them to be women
did I say that?

>Why are there so many trannies in MTG?
no idea, was just joking
truth be told, I'm not even playing MTG

>> No.75038608

I fully agree. Being that serious and tryhard in a completely casual format seems a strange thing to do.

>> No.75038620

I don't believe they'll find women in MTG communities, let alone ones who are into crossdressing men.

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>> No.75038651

Organisms attempt strategies, regardless of efficacy.

>> No.75038661

>only 32%?

Maybe we will ban it when it is over 40% and a year passes

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i think a part of the "so many trannies" thing is in part due to overrepresentation. previously they were a minority/not represented so to compensate hyperliberal companies like WOTC and GDQ do whatever they can to put trannies in public eyes to score brownie points, its disasociatively perceived. the nerd community isnt like 30% trannies it just LOOKS that way when WOTC and GDQ make half their commentators and people they show on stream trannies.

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>Planeswalkers are actually fun and fair

>> No.75038736

You also have five colour control PTSD?

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>second highest deck
>Uro Midrange

>> No.75038763

>Dragonstorm made a good format
Mmmmm nah.

>> No.75038769

Uro ban streak in all formats commecing now

>> No.75038771

Dragonstorm v Pickles babyyy! As good as Magic will ever get :^)

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>x4 Shatterskull
>x4 Spikefield
>he think meddling mage will stick the board more than one turn
Protip : try to at the very least read the cards in the deck before spouting your npc smug shit, you wont look like a gigantic, clueless retard this way

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>There are idiots who don't realize that you cast Veil at the start of your turn, before Irencrag, to solidify your wincon.
>these idiots actually think you wait to play Veil AFTER irencrag
please tell me I am not in the same thread as people this stupid

>> No.75038823

>x4 Spikefield
>Meddling Mage is a 2/2

Are you deliberately trolling or just retarded?

>> No.75038862

Yeah, naysayers are usually cretins who don't know how to play, yet they somehow think they're smart, which make them look even dumber.

You know you can cast more than 1 copy per turn, right?

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>”sure you can stack your deck”
*extends hand*

>> No.75038966

>Read responses
>People defend R&D and playtesting the shit format and the insane amounts of bans by "they are not at fault because of the bans, standard looks entirely different from what they tested"

How the absolute fuck are people that stupid not flamed into oblivion

>> No.75038970

>Modern is about to devolve into another two ships passing in the night format
Nice, I can't wait to play-
>The entire format has rotated because 2019 and 2020 fucked the game and all my decks aren't playable anymore

>> No.75038973

>just cast 2 copies of 1 spell which is also your land to remove a single meddling mage on turn 2 and pray to god that the U/W control player doesn't have a force of negation or something else

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>But that card is shit, there's no way a card exists that makes your opponent shuffle their deck at instant speed for free, r-right?

>> No.75039083

What decks do you have anon

>> No.75039096

>proxy supplier stopped selling
welp. i wonder what happened

>> No.75039104

when everyone gets a walker they're fair :^)

>> No.75039127

>just cast 2 copies of 1 spell which is also your land to remove a single meddling mage on turn 2 and pray to god that the U/W control player doesn't have a force of negation or something else that can deal with it

>> No.75039138

lantern control

>> No.75039149
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Did WotC finally get to them?

>> No.75039157

Infect, Scapeshift, Living End, and Ad Nauseam.

>> No.75039169

I just wanted to use them as proxies :(

>> No.75039177

Is the set even "officially" out yet?

Ahahahaha you can't make this shit up

>> No.75039184

>SRS and HRT is a dead end like lobotomy.
As someone who loves sexual, medical and body horror I love this, it lets me write amazing stories and pass them off as pro trans shit :^)

>> No.75039248

SOI standard was great, at least if you go by the pro tour top 8

>> No.75039249

It is more that their logic goes like this
>Women get attention
>Women is not very cute but get attention anyway
>Woman is a lot of time lesbian (because she is surrounded by low value men, when men do this we call it prison gay)
>If I pretend to be woman I get positive attention
>And I can guilt women into having the sexs with me
They forget that while homos will fuck anything, women dating marking is relatively favorable and even spastikin Sarah has a chance with a semi-acceptable dude (or even y'know, going for a nerd) and that homos are fucking nasty and while they might fuck you, they won't keep you arround, plus being a tranny automatically gives you a negative to your datable score, without accounting for your schizo-tier ramblings because your hormones are beyond fucked up. Even the "cute" ones are fucking deranged.
Trust me on this one, do not engage with crazy. You should be able to smell crazy people, because yes, crazy people do smell crazy. Mostly because they don't shower.

>> No.75039264

Not that anon but lantern control
Unfathomably based

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The vast majority of the proxy scene, use them to play not to try and sell them goyim. Don't worry your (((portfolio))) is safe.

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HoW DiD ThIs HaPpEn ??!?

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Ad naus is holy based, I swear to god if they ban monke because of nu-zen bullshit I'm gonna go postal

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>read answers
>See a handful of retards complaining about mill
my sides

>> No.75039386

which one ? Usea posted an update today so I'm guessing it's not BL or them

>> No.75039388

if you play with proxies you should be more concerned with finding a job rather than playing magic.

>> No.75039398

Hey kids MaRo here, I posting from the potty, hope you are enjoying the Dual faced cards, more to come.
This batch is smelling juuuust right ;)
You will learn your lesson about shit talking companions.

>> No.75039427

>Thassa's Oracle
Fuck off. This retarded je ne sais quoi card should not have even been printed, just like most of the garbage FIRE that has been post 2019 MTG design

>> No.75039469

Ad Nauseam was playable before TO, don't blame it for that abomination.

>> No.75039490

It's been a deck long before Oracle was printed nigger.

>> No.75039491

Thassa's oracle is only slightly worse than Lab Man -> Sleight of Hand.
In fact the difference is just 1 mana, which is irrelevant to an Adnaus player anyway.

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When will you introduce mahou shoujos into mtg, mark? Weaboos deserve representation too, you know?

>> No.75039543

Here's your black, fat, disabled magical girl, you filthy weeb

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hai, douzo you little shit.

>> No.75039587 [DELETED] 

Sorry I hate pedophiles that aren't jewish.

>> No.75039625

>all before 100 posts
And this is why the Nazis are 0 for 2 so far.

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>Can't handle what people actually think about each other.

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any sleeveless, deck boxless, rubber band chads itt?

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>being mad about thassa's oracle

we've been over this a million times:
thassa's oracle revived archetypes that had been literally dead for 10+ years.
for that alone it should be lauded, even if from a design standpoint it's bloated

>> No.75039926

is that the jar dice?

>> No.75040064

>what is veil

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In the era of FIRE, the control player is the one who fears.
but they have nothing to fear, as the Belcher player has stacked their deck to bring multiple Veils in their hand.
no fear anymore, just acceptance

>> No.75040125

Where are the muh rogue 100% winrate faggots now? We don't hear from them so much since you posted this

>> No.75040170

they're literally in this fucking thread, two posts later you idiot

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>sure, all of your spells resolve
>i'd like to hold priority while you cast belcher though
*extends hand*

>> No.75040246

Nice, now you can apologize to me since you were violently flinging shit at me for saying omnath would take over rogues.

>> No.75040267

>Stacks entire deck again, reforge the souls again, sets up wincon again next turn
Nice try, guy. nuBelcher isn't a deck you can keep down.

>> No.75040286

The omnath decks don't feel that oppressive, last time anything felt oppressive was against Fires-Agent and even that was inconsistent and relied on finding your key pieces, lots of aggro decks could go under it easily.

To be honest, i have been following tournament results for a while now and it truly feels more and more like a case of all these so called "pros" are just too lasy or bad at the game to brew up answers to the supposed top decks, so they just play the supposed top deck while everyone screams that it should be banned meanwhile the results is from just being a good deck while lots of players are playing it and the one who wins, wins basically by a coinflip.

Tl:dr Pros a stupid lazy fucks. Don't think i've ever seen so many stupid misplays as i saw the "pros" did in that historic tournament they had recently. Embarrassing.

>> No.75040287

Lol nope. I still haven't lost a game to Omnath with Rogues, so y'all can take the shit I threw at shove it up your ass.

>> No.75040313

Thassas itself ressurected decks like breakfast combo and doomsday that had been dead in legacy for literal years. That has paid for any of its sins

>> No.75040329

>burn 3 cards to get rid of a meddling mage

This is beyond parody

>> No.75040348

The deck literally doesn't care about card disadvantage. Recross the Paths literally stacks the entire deck so the draws are perfect, and Reforge the Soul resets its hand to 7 at will.

>> No.75040392

>Recross the Paths
so they are somehow expecting to burn 2 lands and a veil and still have enough mana to cast a 3 cmc card? What world are we living in

>> No.75040396

That's not what holding priority is you fucking retard

>> No.75040399

>it truly feels more and more like a case of all these so called "pros" are just too lasy or bad at the game to brew up answers to the supposed top decks, so they just play the supposed top deck while everyone screams that it should be banned meanwhile the results is from just being a good deck while lots of players are playing it and the one who wins, wins basically by a coinflip.
That's exactly what plagued memedern for the past 3 years and turned it onto shit : bad players (somehow calling themselves pros but worse than average players with a brain) netdecking things they don't even bother to design. But they get decent scores since they don't have to spend thousands over thousands to get to every single tourney on the planet to collect pro points. While the average player barely have the money to participate to one big tourney every two years if it's close to home.
I'd feel very, very shameful if i had to call myself a '''''''''''pro''''''''''''.

t. low IQ norman who play better than half the pro scene

>> No.75040413

Considering the deck runs monkeys, rituals and manamorphose? Yes, that is the plan. Have you not even looeked at the god damned decklist or some shit?

>> No.75040420

I've been playing Magic since Kaladesh, how about you faggot?

>> No.75040433

You also burned 3 cards with your force + pitch + mage you mongoloid nigger.

>> No.75040438

Especially now there is no incentive to innovate and go pro because the entire physical GP scene got fucked by wizards and turned into a shitfest on arena. They did this and refuse to go back despite it being literally less popular to stream/watch and the community massively said they disliked the move into digital from paper

>> No.75040447

yeah you're god's gift to magic and that's why cards like uro and omnath are totally fair magic

you figured it out

>> No.75040450

Since Core 21 which should make you feel worse.

>> No.75040475
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>I've been playing Magic since Kaladesh
>Core 21
holy newfag

>> No.75040506

>thinking bolas is anything other than the biggest laughingstock in mtg history

>> No.75040507

>falling for obvious memeing
you should be ashamed

>> No.75040512

what's more pathetic? being a newfag or being some 40 year old boomer who still plays a game made for 13 year olds?

>> No.75040532

Being someone who doesn't know what holding priority means

>> No.75040559

>eats your cards and playmat
>extends hand

>> No.75040560
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yes, you should be

>> No.75040572

expecting to draw a specific card in your deck when you have no hand fixing below 3 mana

>> No.75040582

> what is the London mulligan

>> No.75040590
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really tho what does belcher do against this?

>> No.75040597

40yo boomer these days collect funko pop and still do raids on WoW, so playing mtg is far from the worst fate you could hope for.

>> No.75040601

Board into CoCo + Informant + Thassa's Oracle

>> No.75040611

Oracle/Undercity Informer

>> No.75040630


>> No.75040667

*As you're about to eat them I turn around, pants down and press my asshole into your mouth*
Seems the only thing you're eating anon is my gassy braps today!

>> No.75040677

Can't tell what the worst between being a jotc cuck or a blizzjew cuck. Looks like all the worst companies in the world have only one goal : ruining fantasy.

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>> No.75040730

This and >>75040438 this.
The pro scene is in a super weird position. With GP grinders being a thing of the past because wotc desperately even needs to control who the "best players" are by handing out invites and paper mtg getting ever more shafted, people just turn to the top8 lists and tourney results (which are also mostly censored and handpicked by wotc) and just play the "best" deck.

Remember when pro tour meant that you had to play standard, limited, modern and draft?

>> No.75040763

On the 28th WotC will change the rules to kill Belcher by making dual faced cards count as all their types while in the library, just like they killed the Breaking // Entering deck.

>> No.75040781

Psychology was always pseudoscience.


>> No.75040785

Also legacy. Loved how the standardlet gp grinders were complaining about how hard miracles is to play and ended up sleeving bogles

>> No.75040798

oh, that might be a thing indeed. That said i bet it will end up being abused in the opposite way.

>> No.75040810

Yea pro tours used to be kino as fuck and meant you needed to be actually good to win at magic tournaments. By having decks in standard, limited, draft and modern (and legacy back before modern existed) players actually had to be good at all aspects of the game rather than just retarded netdeckers.

They ruined the tournament scene by wanting to turn it into an esport or hearthstone or something

>> No.75040822

people play two kinds of decks
1. the dominant deck, optimized for the mirror, because it's the best deck
2. tier-2 decks optimized to prey on the dominant deck because it optimized for the mirror

that's it. there's nothing else to figure out. the reason the online metagame revolves entirely around a single deck is because now that paper doesn't exist anymore there's no reason for people to "stick" to the decks they own in paper.

>> No.75040825

why are both of you separating limited and draft.

>> No.75040838

The most convincing pros always have been the ones grinding legacy events. It's not even comparable how better they are compared to others formats.

>> No.75040841

Yea pro tours used to be kino as fuck and meant you needed to be actually good to win at magic tournaments. By having decks in standard, limited, draft and modern (and legacy back before modern existed) players actually had to be good at all aspects of the game rather than just retarded netdeckers.

Tournament grinders were constantly innovating and creating new decks even well into an established format. Sometimes the meta would change even if no major staple had entered the format for years

They ruined the tournament scene by wanting to turn it into an esport or hearthstone or something and at the same time controlling who got to be in that tournament scene

>> No.75040871

I started playing during ELD

>> No.75040872

Even to this day it remains the same desu. Obviously no paper events now due to legacy decks

>> No.75040885

The absolute state

>> No.75040904

*gulp gulp gulp*
I love the taste of modern in the morning
*eats your cards*

>> No.75040905

It would work better with something like Oracle of Mul Daya, but I can't think of anything that would abuse it beyond that. You could fetch them with Sylvan Scrying? Splendid Reclamation is sort of powerful?

>> No.75040908

why are you posting here then ? Genuinely curious, do you just think montgag is full of retards ? If so, that's a step in the right direction

>> No.75040923

>Sometimes the meta would change even if no major staple had entered the format for years.
metas change because people "discover" new interactions or synergies they can use to win the game. most of these "hidden treasures" can't compete now that the metagame is gatekept by four-mana two-card instant win combos and single-card infinite value fountains.

>> No.75040941
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>tfw invested in oko hard when i thought he bottomed at $25

>> No.75040961

Because I am retarded and meant to type legacy

>> No.75040980

Treasure Hunt is the worst off the top of my head.

>> No.75040981

Yeah me neither, still abusable but not in a broken way. At least not that i can think of for the moment.
Trade routes become pretty insane tho

>> No.75041004


>> No.75041012

no, never. FIRE mistakes can never be lauded.
forgiven of it's sins, sure, but not praised as something good, because the design is absolutely horrible. slapping a "you win the game" to a 2-mana creature spell is insanity.

>> No.75041096
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>Badly designed cards are okay when they revive my pet deck

>> No.75041137


>> No.75041161

Paper had weird stuff like local meta differences (probably because there were other things than handpicked top8 lists to orient yourself) and ironically the price of some decks being too high, which lead to more diverse metas, weird anti-meta decks and second guessing the meta, especially at pro tour level. People would show up with absolute shitpiles because they thought they could suprise attack the meta and such. Like legacy elves boarding in 3 fucking emrakul against sneak and show. There also always was a discrepancy between mtgo and paper, which might have been price-driven, but I can't really say.

Nowadays, Arena is not only the main tournament platform but also the place the meta is decided upon. There are basically 1-3 viable decks to play if you want to be competitive and that's that.

>> No.75041187

hold priority is fine because if you're not an autistic nigger you can easily interpret that he means "i pass all priority until you cast charbelcher"

>> No.75041198

Ironically, this is why the card was designed the way it is if rumors are to be believed

>> No.75041208

If financefrog is still here, what do you still think of the felidar retreat spec after the scute swarm spike?

>> No.75041270

Holding priority is literally the opposite of passing priority. It's the act of retaining priority after taking your own action instead of it being implicitly passed to your opponent, to allow you to do something like activate Phantasmagorian multiple times before your opponent can pass and allow the first ability to resolve.

You autistic nigger.

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I think next time i should take the G version of "do X" instead of the W one. :3
But oh well, it's too late for scute so i guess felidar is still a decent option. But i don't expect the card to x5 overnight.

>> No.75041389
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fuck this card. seriously what was wotc thinking printing 2 mana ld?

>> No.75041426

>Destroy target land
>draw a card
yeah I'm having a hard time understanding how fucking sinkhole that cantrips was a good idea

>> No.75041447

You fucking homos were CHEERING the 2CMC LD cantrip when it was spoiled, now you're whining? What happened to "tronny get fucked tronny get fucked?" I told you fags this shit would be insanely obnoxious.

>> No.75041448

It punishes nigs who are too autistic to run 1 or 2 basics. Thats literally it. It also punishes turbo depths but other things do that better

also sinkhole exists and its strictly better than this

>> No.75041455

scute swarm will eat a ban/errata because it breaks MTGA, and the value will go plowing down after the ban/errata makes the card "unplayably bad" according to the average mt. Gag user
t. major stonks player

>> No.75041470

Sounds like the Vintage Super League desu

Kill it, kill you?

This desu. Shit also gets solved much faster due to all the online play.

>> No.75041473
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>implying it's not the tronnigs whining

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>> No.75041522
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how is it bad for tron when they run like 5 basics?

>> No.75041524

The only VSL games I've watched were with blue belcher and it looked like a shitbrew.

>> No.75041530
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>It's only a buck fiddy now

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It literally already existed as a three mana thing, why they wanted to power it up is kinda beyond me.

I honestly dont think the card gets played into Tron or anything though. Im not sure what conceivable match up play it into except maybe decks that dont run a single basic. Blood Moon effects beats Tron in modern, Eldrazi in legacy and Turbo depths in legacy far more. Maybe it could be a board card against those

Maybe this could fuck 4c Uro piles out of existance in modern? They probably can't run basics

>> No.75041557

Legacy has been defined by poorly designed cards for at least a decade
>Show and Tell
>keyword Storm
>keyword Dredge
>Natural Order
Doomsday and mono-blue combo are the least of anyone's worries

>> No.75041567

It's great is what it is

>> No.75041568


Just received my order from Ron too that I placed last week so it isn't them.

>> No.75041580
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>Show and Tell
>poorly designed
any card that enabled me to play my soulless angelfu unironically in competitive play is great design by my standards

>> No.75041584

don't put me in the same bag as these denying retard, I still love that this card exists

>> No.75041599

Show and Tell is fine though. It's actually card disadvantage because the card is symmetrical.

>> No.75041615

did you know you can get the same effect on a land for zero mana

>> No.75041622

>bought my Okos at $15

>> No.75041639

it turns a land that makes 3 mana into a land that makes 1 mana

>> No.75041648

speak for yourself, I'm still cheering

>> No.75041649

How is brainstorm bad design?

>> No.75041655

How do you feel about Scourge creating a deck in modern?

It's like a mashup of jund, zoo and death shadow. Seems cool. I predict that the card will spike now

>> No.75041691

>Complaining about Natural Order
Really? Because Elves use it as a wincon in what, 20% of games?

>> No.75041762

But tron isnt actually down a land and you spent a turn to make it easier for them to cast stirrings and scrying.

>> No.75041813

Not since Ashen Rider was printed it does.

True, but the card it really only playable if it enables a permanant that reads "you win the game." It's a card that is only legal because Force of Will exists.

Okay I probably jumped the gun there, but it's pretty questionable how much flexibility, power, and consistency it offers for the low low cost of U at any time

>> No.75041875

I felt like I needed to pick something in elves to bitch about so I picked the cmc4 win the game spell.

>> No.75041930

Natural order is fine, if you want to bitch about something in elves at least pick Craterhoof. Show and Tell has a few decent targets but Craterhoof is literally the only good Natural Order target other than Proggy, and Proggy is only decent in certain matchups where you won't just lose before he can kill them.

>> No.75041966

That's reasonable.

>> No.75042154
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>Never bought Oko because I don't like playing with him

>> No.75042283

Brainstorm is "only" strong with shuffle effects, though. I've seen enough people misusing it as a 1 mana worse ponder.

Also, I really love notion thiefing brainstorms. Almost never works, but when it does it is oh so sweet

>> No.75042296

*Worse opt

Don't know what I was writing there

>> No.75042310

A while ago people were talking about trying to make some Pauper landfall zoo shitbrew and I got interested in the idea. I goldfished a couple times with it and it's not bad although it gets sodomized by any real decks. There is probably a place for the new Scale the Heights in here or Khalni Heart Expedition.

4 Cleansing Wildfire
2 Harrow
4 Zektar Shrine Expedition
4 Akoum Hellhound
4 Crop Rotation
4 Kird Ape
4 Steppe Lynx
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Wild Nacatl
4 Plated Geopede
6 Forest
6 Mountain
4 Evolving Wilds
5 Plains
2 Teetering Peaks
1 Terramorphic Expanse

2 Sunspring Expedition
2 Gut Shot
2 Leave No Trace
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Ray of Revelation
2 Vines of Vastwood
3 Electrickery
2 Gorilla Shaman

>> No.75042525

fuck this belcher shit
fuck you so much wotc...

>> No.75042637

senpai's divining top
{1}: look at the top 3 cards of your library and arrange them in any order.

still too strong for modern?

>> No.75042652

>still too strong
it was never about strength you durdling doublenigger

>> No.75042699

what I thought you belcher nigs wanted your deck to be buffed? I thought you said belcher takes skill and is fun?

>> No.75042706
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load the monke
what else should i put in this meme?

>> No.75042713
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thoughts on this card art?

>> No.75042744

Why is it only white skin?

>> No.75042777

Disgusted at its concept and amazed how WotC can always reach a new low.

>> No.75042798

idk it looks like something a cholo would get tatted on his arm

>> No.75042799

That just looks like a tattoo you would see on a random lowlife, nothing about it says "Eternal Witness"

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>> No.75042845
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>> No.75042851

We have seen the tattoo SL you retard you don't need to post the whole thing

>> No.75042902
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>Shoes! Tattoos! Animal Studies! Animated Cartoons!

I think a lot of products coming out lately are result of side hobbies of WotC employees.
>We need a new secret lair.
>"Steve's got a new tattoo!"
>Tattoos! That's art! We have some employee that like it, therefor our play base must like it!

So we are getting a lot of bullshit the rest of us don't get two shit about.

>Gavin isn't the shoe guy... it's some other designer I've forgotten the name of

>> No.75042937

Realistically these are not the product of random WotC shitter hobbies, but a team that WotC has put together to increase "outreach" or some shit like that. There's some suit who did powerpoint pitch on the idea and all of them are being coordinated by the same team.

>> No.75042971

what kind of immense loser with too much money would you have to be to wear an mtg shoe

>> No.75042984

One of the MtG leader designers literally collects shoes as a hobbyist. We was in the zendikar reveal trailer.
If you are saying that he officially or unofficially (probably unofficially) had NO pull on the matter. I will be floored with surprise and owe you 10 internet bucks.

>> No.75042998
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When can we expect "Secret Lair: /tg/"?

>> No.75043010
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I tried Oathbreaker with this WAR Dovin and Armageddon as my signature spell(I ended changing it to Supreme Verdict after my friend kept bitching and crying) with Azor's Elocutors as my main wincon and it was actually an alright format more fun than memeander at least

>> No.75043050
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wat about secret lair: big titties?

>> No.75043055

What would that even be? Can we get a vote on /tg/ vetted cards?

>> No.75043072

it's already perfect

>> No.75043076

>If Oathbreaker is 100 cards.
You opinion is even more trash. Please leave. I don't want another format that I need baseball gloves to shuffle with.
>If oathbreaker is only 60
... I'll... consider it. A non-cry baby format that allows land destruction is a mark in the right direction.

>> No.75043078

>Armageddon as my signature spell
>I ended changing it to Supreme Verdict after my friend kept bitching and crying

>> No.75043081

Holy FUCK these look like shit

>> No.75043089
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ancient tomb, lotus petal, simian spirit guide, blood moon, show and tell

>> No.75043094 [DELETED] 

when you work on your art

>> No.75043106

At this point probably Mox Opal, Fathless Looting, Show and Tell, Blood Moon and Ad Nauseam

>> No.75043114 [DELETED] 
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Why not both?

>> No.75043127

it's actually 58: 60 base, -1 for your 'walker, -1 your signature spell

>> No.75043135
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requesting a functional reprint of simian spirit guide named mana monke

>> No.75043143 [DELETED] 

Whoa, cute elf.

>> No.75043159

So kinda like New York property prices?

>> No.75043163

its a 60 gard format or at least thats how we played
I kept it in the deck with my Ravages of War if that makes you feel any better
I also ended up swapping out Supreme Verdict for Replenish after I got my hands on a Divine Intervention that still sows asspain among that same friend to this day

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>open a pack of m19 that i forgot about a couple of years ago
>the foil i left out overnight is already a fucking half pipe
How the fuck do counterfeiters manage have better card quality for foils?

>> No.75043184

invoke prejudice
triumph of ferocity
auriok transfixer

>> No.75043190

They have to pay fewer sensitivity readers.

>> No.75043196

Don't forget Pride of Conquerors!
Pride of Conquerors reprint with the original Crusade art when???

>> No.75043202

There's a small number of guys at my LGS who have cEDH decks that they only play with each other, or others who have otherwise super high power level decks. For normal games they just use other shit.

Not that EDH is a good format. It's arguably the best format, but that's not saying much.

>> No.75043205

I think they're pretty cool. These and the Audubon looking birds are probably the best secret lair because of how different they look compared o everything else. Still not buying em

>> No.75043232

Because trannies are never good at anything and are just there for the attention. Magic has a pretty high skill floor and fairly low ceiling once you wrap your head around it. Something like Dota 2 actually requires a shit ton of practice and ability to play well. Any retard can sleeve up Burn and win a Modern event.

>> No.75043243

surface level nerd shit thats even a bit popular tends to attract these people I dont really know why

>> No.75043253
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What does it mean for Romany to happen anons?

>> No.75043254

I don't hate trans people, I hate egotistic fuckfaces that want the world to revolve around them. It just so happens that 99% of trans people fall into that category.

>> No.75043279

>I don't hate trans people

>> No.75043301

Literally everyone and their nan called this the moment the last set of bans didn't include Uro. Then we saw some good landfall cards in the spoilers and just fucking wept.

>> No.75043302

what are you going to do if he doesn't

>> No.75043354

Slaughter Pact.

>> No.75043394

Would you be able to search for the card as a land but have it enter as the nonland side, for example Crop Rotation?

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>> No.75043441


>> No.75043442

really makes Field of the Dead look quaint, don'it?

>> No.75043487

It's harrow except 1 less for 1 less basic land at sorcery speed that also cantrips, which also can be used as land removal.

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How do they still have jobs?

>> No.75043560

Reminder that they do not test for Modern or anything else because they're "too busy" testing for Standard, Limited and Draft.

>> No.75043566

Draft mostly, I wouldn't imagine they give a fuck about limited.

>> No.75043567

Question. Where do I need to sell high-end magic cards (Reserved List ones) without getting jew'd out of my money?

>> No.75043578

>4 mana mana doublers have ruined standard, what do we do
>what if we printed one that drew a card, gained four life, and occasionally nuked your opponent's entire board?

>> No.75043589

facebook groups are usually bretty good

>> No.75043634

>In order to avoid disrupting this weekend's tournaments
>(player count: 0)

>> No.75043643

facebook com/groups/highendmtg/permalink/3163245753713326/?sale_post_id=3163245753713326

sick deals is also ok

>> No.75043651

>janny deletes picture of ribbon
>leaves wojaks and frogs
What's with the hypocrisy?

>> No.75043659

didn't mean to link to a specific sale post. it's the only url to the high end group that my browser history saved.

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>On the 28th WotC will change the rules to kill Belcher by making dual faced cards count as all their types while in the library
Pozzed decision, but I can see some card being sent into a moon mission if this is true.
Treasure Hunt, Crop Rotation, Sylvan Scrying, Expedition Map. Am I missing something?
What are your thoughts on this, finance frog?

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>mox diamonds are $500
>i will never ever play bg depths or lands in my lifetime

>> No.75043837

market will prolly settle down in like 18 months to 10 years, and everything will return to reasonable price points. We're in a pretty major investor bubble right now. These cards simply can't sustain such prices.

>> No.75043844

That means I can get spells and creatures back with Life from the Loam

>> No.75043853
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Get a job and save up money. Is it that hard?

>> No.75043878

I have a job. My rent takes up most of my paycheck though.

>> No.75043886
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imagine being the retard that pays +$500 for paper squares with highly subjective value

>> No.75043906

Move back with your parents. Less money to pay on rent/food/bills etc.

>> No.75043915
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oh no no no no no no no no no no

>> No.75043916

Reminder that the guy posting animu reaction images and calling you poor for not spending 9,000,000 USD on cards is some third world shitposting avatarfag who has been trolling /mmg/ for years so you retards should probably have learned to stop replying to it by now

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>> No.75043936

some people are actually like that though
Magic is ultimately a CARD. GAME. It's for preteens. people seem to forget this.

>> No.75043984



based and slavepilled

>> No.75043997


a dude ran a 5-0 with lotus petals just last week

>> No.75044002

Do americans really?

>> No.75044018

>These cards simply can't sustain such prices
Didn't know anons itt had crystal balls.

>> No.75044029

These balls are brass, actually, but thank you.

>> No.75044048

Diversity hiring. Doesn't matter if you are qualified for the position. If you're black or want to chip your dick off it's instant hiring

>> No.75044049

where can i buy good proxies
they don't need to be spot on identical but at least look and feel real enough

>> No.75044058

pick up the phone
chang is calling

>> No.75044063

>but at least look
any proxy will look fine these days

>and feel
No proxy i've ever encountered passes the "lemme touch it" test.

>> No.75044070

Creature (11)
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
3 Sylvan Safekeeper
4 Vampire Hexmage
Sorcery (12)
2 Duress
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Thoughtseize
Instant (5)
4 Crop Rotation
1 Mindbreak Trap
Artifact (8)
4 Lotus Petal
4 Pithing Needle
Land (24)
2 Bayou
1 Bojuka Bog
4 Dark Depths
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Karakas
1 Sejiri Steppe
1 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Swamp
4 Thespian's Stage
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
60 Cards
Sideboard (15)
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
3 Mindbreak Trap
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Collector Ouphe
2 Force of Vigor
2 Leyline of the Void
2 Surgical Extraction


how's the rent in London?
what's an acre of bog going for over there these days?

>> No.75044074

Wasn't WOTC criticized like 1 month ago for having almost no black and latino staff?
It's all pozzed, but it's because of mainly guilty white kids

>> No.75044086
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Mutts have been brainwashed by their kike masters into leaving their houses as soon as possible in search of (((((INDEPENDENCE AND MATURITY))))). Instead they get enslaved by student loans, rent and, when you think about it, are even more cucked than japanese salary men. Totally hilarious.
And to top it off, their only release is actually an heroing themselves.

>> No.75044098

is that the guy who sent acid to bjerk or whatever?

>> No.75044103

if wotc felt guilt we'd have a better game

>> No.75044109

don't japanese salarymen have like 50 year mortgages?

>> No.75044112
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>where can i buy good proxies
Here anon.

>> No.75044116

I sold my playset just before the price spike. I'm still seething to this day. Would have doubled my money if i'd put them on sale 2 days later.

>> No.75044141

how different would MTG be today if it was a living card game and not a tcg?

>> No.75044153

Standard is now dominated by a deck that revolves around playing 8 mythics with more text than cards on Japanese card games.
And they will probably play that deck in Modern too, because Omnath slots into Uro midrange piles.

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>> No.75044172

well, first off, it'd be dead. this might be a bad thing because with the game dead, it won't get official support, and with no official support there'd be no hogaak, no urza, no oko, no uro, no mutate and no companions.

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I was thinking about just drawing my own proxies on cardstock. I'm not a bad artist and it might be a fun exercise

>> No.75044202

why do tcgs tend to outlive lcgs?

>> No.75044217


it would be dead, or on it's 20th reboot printing cards with the same name but slightly tweaked rules text

>> No.75044219

A healthy secondary market encourages higher levels of competition.
Problem is Magic's is not healthy.

>> No.75044243

roguetards must feel pretty retarded today after all the "muh invincible tier0 deck" they spammed on mmg last week.

>> No.75044246

don't forget to buy some old bulk foils and defoil them to get almost authentic blank cards

same reason video games with lootboxes/gacha outlive games without: whales.

>> No.75044257

did dredge get anything good in the new set?

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Wasn't the whole Ravnica block supposed to rotate out in this new Standard?

>> No.75044308

What will they throw under the bus in standard to avoid banning anything from new zenidkar?

>> No.75044349

Migration Path

>> No.75044356

Uro, I thought that was obvious. Even though the new omnath is equally as retarded and problematic in standard (though not in any other format worth a shit)

>> No.75044375

>he doesn't think that omnath is going to be played in the uropiles

>> No.75044397

I'm actually going to try jamming Jeweled Amulet instead in Parfait. It's more like a mana battery, but it also doesn't require you to bin a land from your hand to play it.

>> No.75044399

Yes. Most people just call UB decks 'dimir' decks regardless of whether or not it has any dimir related cards.

>> No.75044411

evolving wilds

>> No.75044426


it's an even bigger payoff for prime time. makes valakut look like dogshit

>> No.75044445

If you want you can go full manaless dredge with informer + balustrade spy ala legacy thanks to the DFL. But belcher does it better rn wont last since belcher is now the best deck in modern, so you can expect an emergency ban coming next week.

Uro is pretty much guaranteed to get ousted now their new milking machine is out. (((they))) had enough time to sell theros box.
Funny how each new set is the only way to get rid of the powercrept cancer of the previous set. It's like an infinite cancer loop.

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That's gay and retarded. What if someone just picked up mtg and gets bombarded with these madeup-sounding names?

>> No.75044495

Girls don't exist in my life

>> No.75044504

Parfait must be the only deck alongside Lands where you CANT play without mox. Just get proxies if you can't spend 2K on a playset of old cardboard, but believe me, i played dozens of different Parfait variation for about a decade and land tax + mox is just the backbone of the deck, you can't do anything with the deck without them.

>> No.75044515

You can already play those with Mul-Daya

>> No.75044544

No, they are non lands in every zone but when you decide to play them as such otb.

>> No.75044550
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Ever seen a genuine vagina-haver XX playing MTG?

>> No.75044585

used to play with a cute girl(for an lgs) fairly regularly at draft

>> No.75044611

Yeah, there was a 13 year old girl who played at the store I did for a while. Awkward weeb.

>> No.75044613

Yes, sometimes people bring their girlfriend to draft

>> No.75044635

Anyway, them being nonlands when in library doesn't matter. If you can play it from your hand as a land, and you may play lands from X zone, you can play it as a land from X zone.

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Yes, once i even was paired vs a 10 in standard draft. She not only was cute, but also btfo'd me 0-2 and apologized for beating me while i was plagued with a double manadeath. She was smelling good, always smilling, funny, was wearing a skirt and her thighs were fucking perfect. I thought i was dreaming. Hopefully i didn't have to leave the table after the match because my raging boner would have spooped the shit out of her.
Imagine body on pic rel but with a cute white girl instead of an aztec rape baby.

>> No.75044707

They learn the made up names. As people have been doing for years. There are only ten of them if you are talking guild pairs, but most people are comfortable using the Alara shards and Tarkir clans for three colour decks, so 20 nicknames in total. It's not all that much at all.

>> No.75044734

>so 20 nicknames in total. It's not all that much at all.
It's a lot when you consider it's totally fucking pointless and time consuming where BUG or RW are perfectly fine and way less confusing.

>> No.75044738

>everyone with a negative opinion is a nuhtzeeeee!!!!!

>> No.75044755

>Most people
You mean the retards at wotc who enforce this shit

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I'd buy it

>> No.75044780

I prefer saying Dimir to U/B. If you're talking about it in real life it's easier.

>> No.75044827

I also prefer saying "My wife's friend" instead of Tyrone the Bull, it rolls off the tongue easier.

>> No.75044850

Yea, like I posted at the start of the thread. A girl in her late fifties who collects the fuck out of foils and then some other girl who plays cats and tron

>> No.75044863
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Fuck this retarded company

>> No.75044868

It is pointless jargon. Who would have expected that in a fantasy themed card game?

It is flavourful though, and a form of shibboleth, showing familiarity with the game's community and lore.

If you don't like the terms, don't use them, but they are so widely utilised in coverage and between players, you may find that you learn them passively and start using them yourself.

>> No.75044870

So what, they can learn.
I'm sick of people saying "we need to accomodate newfags"
Fuck newfags

>> No.75044903

I don't really get the fuss about Dirge Bat. From what I understand, it was a somewhat good rare cucked into oblivion to be made unplayable.

>> No.75044911

It makes sense for a fantasy game, but I wish there were more creative names instead of just "Dimir." Stuff like "Ice Station Zebra" or "Tin Fins" sound so much cooler than just "Esper" or "Griselbrand Combo"

>> No.75044923

That is the point. There is no fuss to be had. It is a shitty card that was not much better and yet "playtesting" thought it was the most broken card in the set.

>> No.75044925
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because they thought dirge bat was sss+ tier and had to be nerfed into the ground and still thought it was strong. meanwhile they ignored cycling totally and made this

>> No.75045052

the newfaggotry is to use those memewords

>> No.75045057

Ravnica was almost 2 decades ago

>> No.75045074

It does suck that WotC pushed them to sanitise deck nicknames in coverage. I can kind of see why they wanted to distance themselves from stuff like 'suicide black' though.

That isn't an inherent quality of the terms themselves. People used to use terms for the colour pairings before we had the guilds, shards and clans. For example, WUR being called 'patriot'. It's doing the exact same thing as the name 'jeskai', only the source of the name comes from outside Magic. And nothing stops you using patriot, WUR or whatever else you want.

When I started, I admit that I was a little confused by the terms, but then lots of different rulings, terms and nicknames confused me. I was new. I kept playing and learned through experience. The terms seemed fun and unlike anything else I had heard, and I wanted to learn them. Everyone else used them, and I wanted to belong. It's like that stupid 'death of a hobby' stick figure comic that gets tossed around. I wanted to integrate myself into the community, so I learned the terms the community used.

>> No.75045086

Fuck off newfag

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>tfw it's a 16€ card now
I'll never thank enough froggo for making sharknado his only spec from ikoria when it was only cents.

>> No.75045105

My ex was one. She liked fairly straightforward burn and aggro. Wasn't very good, but she would play that to her advantage and catch people by surprise now and then.

>> No.75045109

Patriot sounds cooler and way less faggy than Jeskai desu

>> No.75045115

>t. mark rosenberg

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>> No.75045146

Okay, say patriot and sound really cool, then. I am talking about why the terms are used, not forcing you to use any particular terminology.

I use both. There doesn't have to be one word for everything.

>> No.75045171

>facemask on soi face
Why do mutts hate facemasks so much?

>> No.75045183

Lol, don't worry. I wear the mask. What do you think I am, anti-science? I FUCKING LLOVE SCIENCE!
Yeah, I understand that, but I still think Patriot sounds better and I wish names were actually creative like "Cheerios."

>> No.75045187

So do I. I don't get why this is an issue.
I type U/B and Dimir alternatingly but say Dimir because it's easier when talking about it. And Jeskai is way easier than wedge names.

>> No.75045212

You can still call it Cheerios if you want. A lot of people do. People call stuff Dredge even when it has no dredge in it. But I like the (color) (archetype) naming convention because it's easier to get an understanding of what's being played than looking at 20 of the same deck with different stupid names.

>> No.75045250

>masks are soi
Do americans really...

>> No.75045270

Since guild of rav i believe he have been 100% spot on on his standard set specs for every new set. It's pretty damn incredible. If i was the CEO of CK or CFB i'd propose him a 6 figures salary just to predict the next good shit, there is so much money to be made on a larger scale. These companies are cracking thousands boxes at each release yet they still have no clues about how to price correctly the singles.

>> No.75045272

That's a fair point. Consistency does have its advantages, even if it does lead to hilarious scenarios like WotC trying to staple extra archetypes and terms onto top eight decks when they are all essentially playing the same thing.

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>Only new foils curl

>> No.75045283

Yes they are. If they weren't, their country wouldn't be on fire and being looted by niggers as we speak.

>> No.75045288

>t. proud face diaper's wearing zombie-soi

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>playing with foils

>> No.75045302

We don't see shit, it could very well be fucking tokens for all i know. I don't even see the curling.

>> No.75045303

Yeah, it's a tradeoff.
Sometimes I miss the more fun names too. But at the same time, if I'm looking at tournament results or big lists of decks I want information quickly and you just know that if people could name their deck anything, it would be ruined. They would be calling U/R Spellslinger with 1 card changed out something like Rick & Morty Epic Science Fair or something and you would want to kill yourself.
If you create the deck, you can still call it whatever you want.

>> No.75045314

>I can't see the curling
What is it like to be a moleman?

>> No.75045335

I've a dozen or so old foils, they all are flatter than 2020 regular cards.

>> No.75045373

I bought a pack of Eldraine during my lunch break and opened the packs. One of the cards was a foil Troll King. I left them on my desk and 3 hours later they were pringled. In a temperature controlled office.
What the fuck are they making these cards out of?

>> No.75045406

Yeah it's insane, almost like if it was designed on purpose to tube at this point, new foils are a fucking joke.

>> No.75045407

Pringles, why?

>> No.75045428

They do, although it's usually a 1:10 ratio here in burgerland. I even date one back during RTR/Theros when I played in standard. Deadass gave me her number one night after a FMN.

>> No.75045631

Is curling still a thing in the US for non-foils? I'm in Japan and while the curling problem was as bad as anywhere a few years ago, I have found that the quality of recent sets seems to have improved. I actually thought the quality at pre-release last weekend was particularly good.

>> No.75045653

Japan has a shit ton of quality cardgames that MTG competes with. They get their own special cardboard that is actually good while the rest of the world eats the pringles

>> No.75045685

I heard it was only America.
There are 3 printers, in the US, Japan, and Belgium or something and only the US one has issues. And the funny thing is I remember hearing that the US printer does stuff for many other card games, none of which have the problems MtG does. So it's not even really their fault, WotC is making them print the cards like shit, somehow.

>> No.75045723

>this card would fit into too many decks if it was less color restrictive
>alright let's make it less color restrictive

>> No.75045749

FIRE, anon, FIRE

>> No.75045767

>Omnath raping standard
>even if they banned that Uro would run rampant
>even if they banned that Temur adventures would dominate
>even if they banned that Rogues would win against everyone
How have they not fired everyone at play design yet? It's not even a tier list anymore, it's just a collection of tier 0 decks that exist in a vacuum and as soon as they ban one the next one takes it's place

>> No.75045793

Don't forget that they just banned Fires of Invention

>> No.75045816

At least the design teams are diverse. In the end, isn't that all that matters?

Besides, we can't fire them. That would be racist, sexist and/or transphobic.

>> No.75045821

But they aren't diverse, at all.

>> No.75045832

Wait isn't the play design like, 99% jewish?
I am starting to see what the professor meant...

>> No.75045841

'member when cards had drawbacks which prevented them from being too good? I 'member
'member when they actually printed good hate cards in standard to prevent certain archetypes and cards from being too good? I 'member

>> No.75045866

Why is WotC so inept?

>> No.75045869

But anon, that wouldn't be fun. When you tap out to play your big spell, you should get to draw a card and gain advantage even if your opponent removes it.

>> No.75045883

>that interview Maro did where he said they didn't like putting any hard cards for (insert sets mechanic here) because they worked really hard on the mechanic

>> No.75045912

>worked really hard
did they? do they?
random shitter faggots on /mmg/ were calling companion the most broken thing to ever exist in magic literally without seeing any cards that actually had the companion text on them, based just on the description of the mechanic.
how can people whose job is to test sets sometimes a year in advance be stupider than random anons?

>> No.75045952

this, they all are fucking kikes....

>> No.75045983

Herro China? Still 2 $? Ok arigatou gozaimasu

>> No.75046024

Pulled an Omnath at pre-release and saw that he's worth a pretty penny. Should I sell him now or wait?

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we shall surpass Mirrodin
I mean, we already have since the artifact lands were basically just one "ban slot" in spirit

>> No.75046043

Eat it to gain Omnath's powers

>> No.75046093

Sell it now the deck is actual tier 0 in Standard instead of 0.5

>> No.75046103

It all hinges on whether WotC ban him outright, ban something else first or ban something else first THEN ban him in a year or two once the set is out of print and he'll rotate anyway.

>> No.75046105

Sell now, unless it's foil, then keep it

>> No.75046358


Freshly baked for you, frens:




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