Quantcast
[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / g / ic / jp / lit / sci / tg / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports / report a bug ] [ 4plebs / archived.moe / rbt ]

/vt/ is now archived.Become a Patron!

/tg/ - Traditional Games


View post   

[ Toggle deleted replies ]
File: 176 KB, 413x395, Only thing left to do.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74991158 No.74991158 [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

Affinity players be like edition

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES:
>Current metas, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share decks
https://deckstats.net/
http://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share cubes
https://www.cubetutor.com/
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://gatherer.wizards.com/
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/

TQ: When was the last time you got a card in the mail ? What was it for ?

>> No.74991166
File: 1.65 MB, 840x7073, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74991166

Anyone interested in a free CFBPro deck guide? Here you go.

>> No.74991203

>>74991158
>TQ: When was the last time you got a card in the mail ? What was it for ?
Last month I think
It was some bootleg fetches

>> No.74991219

>>74991141
>Gideon was the most tolerable of the main five faggots
there wasn't any competition

>> No.74991233

I'm glad they killed Gideon and gave the modern plot any actual stakes. Should have killed Bolas too, though.

>> No.74991238

>>74991233
they killed him in a really stupid way though, that's what sucks

>> No.74991248

>>74991166
thanks anon, I always like learning about deck profiles, I think I appreciate it even more now that I rarely do it

>> No.74991266
File: 71 KB, 540x540, haha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74991266

>>74990986
>Nicol Bolas is just a beta coomer
>that's why he trusted the thot with his plans
it all makes sense now

>> No.74991275
File: 1.26 MB, 1760x596, jace_the_wallet_sculptor.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74991275

>>74991166
>Some people choose to play Jace, the Mind Sculptor as their curve topper, but I haven't been a big fan of that and I have preferred going in the Fact or Fiction plus Hour of Promise route
RIP in piss, Jace

>> No.74991276

>>74991219
they should have just killed lili and let gideon kill bolas

>> No.74991310

>>74991275
>I still wouldn't pay 35 bucks for a Wallet Sculptor
oh, RIP indeed.
In a world of FIRE, what burns, never returns.

>> No.74991313

>>74991275
>38$ for a jace
these gotta be chinese

>> No.74991354
File: 8 KB, 137x647, cheapest on mcm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74991354

>>74991275
>those prices
I though you were memeing but no, fuck me

>> No.74991379

NOOOOOOOOO MY JACECOIN

>> No.74991422
File: 1.75 MB, 1080x1920, 1591414547767.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74991422

>>74991379
>investing in jacecoin
>in 2020 mtg
are you this guy ?

>> No.74991435

>>74991422
>Buy ugin high, sell ugin low
>use the cash to buy into Jacecoin
he probably did, didn't he...

>> No.74991442
File: 305 KB, 596x596, PWRAWolh5emr5sKeNlNx2WjAV40kHKM0_eSzqKUm3Ng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74991442

>tfw sold my jacecoin for 90 euro each as soon as the leaker leaked the reprint

>> No.74991448

I've never actually owned any jacecoin.

>> No.74991544

>>74991435
these people are also unironically investing into the Reserve List right now at its all time high

Some of them even have sold their entire collections for one or two RL cards

>> No.74991553

>>74991448
I have one fake that a friend gave me as a joke for getting dumpstered at a fnm

>> No.74991634

>>74991544

it's not a bad strategy if you are planning to hold long term

>> No.74991635

Is the Silversmote Ghoul version of Dredge that much stronger than the regular one?

>> No.74991758

>>74991635
Everything is better on FIRE, anon.

>> No.74991780

>>74991635
in the current meta ? yes

>> No.74991907

>>74991275
Is he serious? With a Jace out it's hard to lose a game.

>> No.74991922

>>74991635
Goes great with Uro

>> No.74991988

>>74991158
Watch them print a mox only useable by affinity in the next MH to milk them dry for once last time

If they had any heart or head on their shoulders, they would have printed that shit in the Core set and inmediatly banned Opal afterwards. That way they keep the desirable decks while they prevent Urza and other Combo decks from abusing it

But no, they are incompetent. Too incompetent. And have 0 regards for the people that had a 400$ dollar playset worth scraps with no possible replacement in their decks

God I hate them so much

>> No.74992018

>>74991907
what's it like living in the past, grandpa? You still swing around with your tarmagoyfs and Bobs?

>> No.74992052

The nu-Omnath and Scute Swarm are mooning. Omnath +50% Scutes +900%
Looks like retard ramp is still going to be the top deck in Standard and, to be honest, both of these cards could see some Modern play

>> No.74992078

>>74992052
I've never seen that ramp deck beat Rogues even a single time, yet.
Sure it can stomp every other deck in the format out, but I can't imagine it being a big deal when there's an even bigger bully in town.

>> No.74992110

>>74992078
It's shaping up to be Rogues vs. Monogreen vs. Ramp vs. possibly Monored
Everything else is a huge meme. Some people were trying to make Clerics happen. I pity them.

>> No.74992189

Holy shit this thread is just a husk of what it was.
Fuck maro, fuck wotc and fuck everyone who supports them

>> No.74992210

>>74992052
Scute breaks arena so it’s going to eat a ban.

>> No.74992227

Anyone got the image of MaRo and reference to thing you like?

>> No.74992228

>>74992210
I imagine it's a huge pain in paper too since you make copies of scute that make copies of scute that make copies of scute. This was obviously a card designed for digital, not paper, and it doesn't work in either. Ebin.

>> No.74992284

>>74992228
>expecting literally anything by wotc after 2019

>> No.74992291

>>74992210
>>74992228
Somehow I'm still surprised by the degree to which WotC manages to fuck up despite expecting them to do so every fucking time.

>> No.74992424

>>74992291
>>74992210
>>74992228
scutate is finna take over
mark my words
scute swarm + mutate
this will be the cancer of the century

>> No.74992473
File: 438 KB, 1344x936, znr-203-scute-swarm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74992473

observe

>> No.74992534

>>74992473
Yeah mutate works well with shit that copies itself

>> No.74992539

>>74992534
you don't understand, yet
allow me to enlighten you
>the land enters the battlefield untapped

>> No.74992550

>>74992539
I know. Feels winmore

>> No.74992551
File: 260 KB, 500x481, 1597381745868.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74992551

you know the format is healthy when you think "i wish gut shot was legal"

>> No.74992587

>>74992551
>standard, historic, pioneer are healthy
Uh, ok?

>> No.74992591

>>74992052
So far it's an absolute homerun from finance frog, the top 3 ZEN cards he picked last week all at least x2'd in price on mkm. He didn't predict scute swarm mooning though; nor is felidar retreat going up as he expected.

>> No.74992609

>>74992591
Felidar Retreat is a retarded card that is only being suppressed by other retarded cards.

>> No.74992622

>>74992591

felidar retreat will get there

>> No.74992625

>>74992609
Do you think the card will see play eventually?

>> No.74992650

>>74992625
Yes. In fact it might see play alongside Scutes since it pumps the Scutes.

>> No.74992674

>>74992609
>[That card] is a retarded card that is only being suppressed by other retarded cards.
What other cards fit in this blank?

>> No.74992687

>>74992674
So many

>> No.74992692
File: 51 KB, 502x839, 340ec0969e07ba8cc82af307317bb17b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74992692

>tfw bought a playset of bitterblossoms

>> No.74992694

>>74992674
new Omnath probably will end up in that category.

>> No.74992696
File: 11 KB, 174x174, E9DB3A84-E31F-4961-9238-5E2517936639.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74992696

>>74992674
Dunno, haven’t played magic for 6 months

>> No.74992707

>>74991158
Nu-zendikar is out on modo now, right? Has anyone tried landless dredge or charbelcher yet?

>> No.74992720

>>74992692
Bitterblossom is holding its price fine. I mean if you're retarded and bought it at its peak during WAR, sure, but in the long term it has been a very stable card.

>> No.74992725

>>74992692
>faerie ROGUE token
very soon you'll be unpinked and unjusted, believe me

>> No.74992756

>>74992725
The Anowon EDH coomer train is finna spike it hard.
Bitterblossom is literally goes great in that EDH deck!

>> No.74992786

Why did UB Faeries die?

>> No.74992802

>>74992786
t3f

>> No.74992834

>>74992786
>tribal or tempo decks in eternal formats in the year of our lord 2k20
come on anon blossom doesn't even gain you life each turn and tokens don't have haste, how are you gonna kill planeswalkers?

>> No.74992837

>>74992707
People have tested Belcher and it's fucking stupid. Extremely consistent.
People still prefer the white splash version of Dredge and are not testing manaless, at least not that I've heard.

>> No.74992898

>>74992786
>Spirits is tougher in a vacuum
>Faeries only got support though Rankle and Brazen Borrower, but aren't enough
>Plague Engineer fucked tribal, especially Faeries as most of them are 1 toughness
>T3feri being an unfun abomination
>Uro sharts out too much value
>a bunch of other FIRE cards fuck things up

>> No.74992919

>>74992609
>>74992622
Retard-kun here, should i pick my copies now or it's ok if i wait for a bit?

>> No.74992986

>>74992919
I just grabbed 8 of them for $10. If finance frog is right, it'll probably be a $5-8 rare while in standard. If he's wrong it'll probably sink to like 20 cents. Difficult to know with White cards how they'll go.

>> No.74992999

>>74992919
It's like $1.50 so if you just want a playset for brewing and are not going full investard you might as well just pick it up now because rares in the $1-2 price range typically hold their value, go up, or drop only comparatively slightly.
It may drop down to $1 but it might also climb to $5, why risk it?

>> No.74993016

>>74992052
>Commander faggots strike again

>> No.74993034

Guys I've been away for eight months, why is Jace cratering and is that "landless" Charbelcher combo deck actually good

>> No.74993059

>>74992986
>>74992999
Thanks for the input anons, i think you are right, better lose few cents now than risk to have to pay much more later on if the card get popular. Just ordered my playset.

>> No.74993062 [DELETED] 

>>74992919

wait it out

>> No.74993070

>>74993034
jace has gone the way of all cis white men and has been replaced by a negro
the charbelcher deck is good because you just one hit kill your opponent. feels really stupid but that's what magic is now

>> No.74993098

>>74993034

Belcher will just get banned if it's good enough

>> No.74993099

>>74993034
>is that "landless" Charbelcher combo deck actually good
It actually is pretty damn good.

>> No.74993149

>>74993099
>>74993098
>>74993070
Some dude was trying to tell me Uro is going to become the worst deck because Belcher exists, I'd have thought it'd just counter/destroy the belcher, it runs a billion counterspells/.

>> No.74993156

So how does this charbelcher deck work?

>> No.74993170

>>74993156
>the fliplands are not lands on the front
>If you play them, your deck has no lands technically
>Belcher hits for X = your library

>> No.74993175

>>74993156
look at goblin charbelcher and realize that with the modal spells you can run 0 lands and do 6 gorillion damage

>> No.74993183

>>74993149
Uro is bad in combo metas. That's why he had no impact on Pioneer while it was stuck in combo hell for the longest time. After they banned out three of the combo decks, he started making a huge impact on that format.

>> No.74993195

>>74993183
>Uro is bad in combo metas
twin unban when
also holy fuck could you imagine Uro if Pod was unbanned...

>> No.74993201

>>74993170
>>74993175
So basically turn for it's gg

>> No.74993205

>>74993195
If you unbanned Twin, Uro decks would probably run it

>> No.74993216

>>74993156
Previously, Charbelcher was a deck that ran the minimal amount of lands and played nonland mana sources like Chancellor of the Tangle and Simian Spirit Guide. From there they would try to grab the few basics they had in their deck and use them as real mana for the Charbelcher. The deck aggressively mulliganed and was clunkly, but it was interesting jank.

Now it's >>74993170

>> No.74993221

>>74993183
Ah, I think I see why. You have to hold up mana for the counter and not play Uro til like turn seven or some shit, which means you can't abuse it quickly enough for the opponent not to just have the combo before you.

>> No.74993233

>>74993201
It runs a load of mana monkeys and ritual, looks a lot like turn three GG at the latest.

>> No.74993250

>>74993233
So it's getting a ban

>> No.74993256

>>74993250
100%

>> No.74993271

>>74993205
I wonder if we should see how many decks we can force Uro into even if it countersynergizes.
>Blue Moon ft. Uro
>UW Control ft. Uro
>Bant Spirits ft. Uro
>U Tron ft. Uro
>Death Shadow Sultai ft. Uro

>> No.74993275

It's sad that /mmg/ still remains the place with the best meta discussion

>> No.74993285

>>74993271
>>Death Shadow Sultai ft. Uro
This actually sounds good. If you don't stick the Uro you have the DS.

>> No.74993306

>>74993271
To be honest Sultai Shadow with Uro could be a thing. Dess Shadow has a problem in burn-heavy metas like now where you can randomly just get burned out, and it's constantly shitting cards into the GY to activate Delirium for Traverse anyway. And it's reliant on the Shadow, of course.
Now if they remove the Shadow you can just rez Uro the next turn and if the DS strategy doesn't seem to be working you can simply gain life and escape your 6/6 big beater.
You could probably even take it into 4C.

>> No.74993341

>>74993306
>and escape your 6/6 big beater
Same guy who hasn't played in eight months.
I read the text box and assumed Uro was a 3/3, and that's the way I'd been thinking of it.
What the FUCK were they thinking holy SHIT

>> No.74993365

>>74993306
Your game 2 has absurd mystery behind it. You can either move the Uros or Shadows our so your opponent doesn’t know what to side in.

>> No.74993381

>>74993271
It works in all of these lol
>Blue Moon
Gains life and cantrips when you have nothing else going on and provides an additional wincon.
>UW Control
Bant Control is already a thing
>Bant Spirits
You already have U/G in your manabase and are able to Vial in Uros at instant speed and Escape him in grindier games
>U-Tron
Simic Tron was a thing that people experimented with for a little while based entirely on the strength of Growth Spiral, so a framework already exists.
>Death's Shadow
It's been said

>> No.74993428

Sultai Death's Urologist

>> No.74993436

>>74993428
>not Urologist's Shadow

>> No.74993451

>>74993341
>What the FUCK were they thinking holy SHIT
g o t t a
s e l l
p a c k s

>> No.74993458

>>74993451
Uro would still be a lotto ticket at 3/3

>> No.74993472
File: 1.56 MB, 540x368, 1592936118292.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74993472

>>74993341
>I read the text box and assumed Uro was a 3/3, and that's the way I'd been thinking of it.
AHahAHahahAhaHAhA NOPE!
6/6 BABY!

>> No.74993485

>>74993472
I can't *stop* thinking of it as a 3/3. It just seems like the "natural" P/T of this card, I can't explain it.

>> No.74993535
File: 33 KB, 609x515, 1568212088747.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74993535

>>74992692
I cast plague engineer

>> No.74993551

the state of this game is honestly unreal

>> No.74993570

>>74993551
I was about to sell out when the Rona hit, fuck my life. I'm seriously thinking of just taking the 40% from my LGS.

>> No.74993597

>>74992674
Every 6 drop from Scars through Innistrad that wasn't a titan or Wurmcoil. There were a ton of cool designs that were just completely unplayable because 'why not grave/sun/primeval titan?'

>> No.74993601
File: 185 KB, 1280x1280, 1380222821876.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74993601

>>74993535
I violin Spellstutter Sprite!

>> No.74993609
File: 1.01 MB, 1044x522, Crystal Bepis.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74993609

>>74991166
>Zagoth

>> No.74993613

mmg only has like 30 regulars. why are there so many posts talking about selling out?

>> No.74993650

>>74993613
I did a few months ago, outside of FNM prize packs, I haven't bought a pack since literally Core 2020. Game is fucking dead.

>> No.74993668

>>74993650
What's FNM like where you are?

>> No.74993685

>>74993613
Non-regulars come here to blogpost, I guess. I've been sold out since WAR.

>> No.74993692

>>74993613
Used to be a regular. Realized I actually hate where this game was going back in November but >>74993570

>> No.74993717

>>74993668
Just basically regular but less regulars than usual. Only between 12-16 people for Modern. Draft FNMs almost never fire off. Pioneer is only maybe 10-12 people. Any big event like an Open is guaranteed to have worse prize structure than advertised due to "lack of turnout" and usually only does Top 4 instead of Top 8 to jew more people. There was a commander league that was pulling close to 30+ people on saturdays that now only pulls under half that.

>> No.74993722

>>74992587
Uh, are you retarded?

>> No.74993746

>>74993717
Yeah, I have a similar experience. Sad but WotC deserves this.

>> No.74993793

>>74993746
Yeah, many of us sold out most of our collections outside of the decks we play. I'd say 90% more so do the events as a way to bullshit with friends on a friday night and that's about it. Not many of us play Arena either.

>> No.74993805

>>74993793
Funny thing is that when these lockdowns started all the guys I play with locally went all in on Arena and 1 month later 90% of them quit because the game just runs like shit.

>> No.74993842

>>74993793
I honestly prefer fucking Runeterra to Arena.

My favorite game used to be DBS but they started printing fucking YGO-style absolute bullshit.

>> No.74993850

>>74993805
Honestly, my LGS basically was running curb side pick up and the moment we went yellow we were running events and mostly ignoring masks. They actually had Wizards wipe their event log because they weren't supposed to be running them. The biggest complaints most of us had with Arena were the lack of a true crafting system and standard being dog shit.

>> No.74993865

>>74993842
My preferred was Pokemon TCGO but I took too much of a break and now my collection is dated. I usually just play Theme though.

>> No.74993873

A couple guys I know dropped the game when Wizards let Companions run buckwild across all formats for a month.

>> No.74993889

>>74993842
I'd play fucking Duel Links over Arena.

>> No.74993899

>>74993865
Isn't that the game where you can just buy $10 of codes on ebay and trade the virtual packs for a standard deck

>> No.74993912

after the fiasco yesterday they got arena working again and the game admittedly runs better than it used to. it still lags. it still freezes. it still runs like a dog. but it's almost normal now, it doesn't feel like you're treading mud.
but the meta is as bad as it ever was.

>> No.74993941

>>74993899
Yep, it's incredible. Also it actually encourages you to buy the product because you get the codes. My first few theme decks were just from getting paper cards.

>> No.74994012

>>74993941
You know what, fuck it. I'm in.

>> No.74994042

>>74994012
Do it, they also have something that's basically a tournament ready deck for standard for 20 bucks at walmart so the code is likely nothing. You'd just need to pimp it out over time. It's called a League Battle Deck.

>> No.74994155

I've tried other card games and none of them feel as good to play as Magic. But I feel only disgust now because of what WotC has done to the game.

>> No.74994174

>>74994155
DBS during the set two meta felt real fucking good. You had Goku midrange, Vegeta aggro, Cell tempo triangle with Frieza tempo as a 50/50 against each.

>> No.74994272

>>74994155
The redpill is to go back to the fundamentals : AoE2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoI00Qt_8w0

>> No.74994324

uro is fine you retards. cling to dust is a card you know.

>> No.74994326
File: 357 KB, 397x402, barbosa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74994326

>>74994272
>AoE2

>> No.74994343

>>74994324
Oh yeah let me just -1 myself against a midrange deck that's smart.

>> No.74994409

>>74994324
True, but what about omnath? It also generate value while etb, then it's +4 life and +4 ramping almost every turn, and it doesnt fear grave hate. The combination of both is just so unholy...

>> No.74994506

>>74994409
what's the problem with omnath?
just block him with your uro

>> No.74994590
File: 2.15 MB, 1782x2959, zendikar specs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74994590

>>74992591
ngl fren, i'm gonna brag a little bit for once because on this set i've really outdone myself.

>> No.74994608

>>74994590
Agadeem's Awakening will be a 30+ dollar card if it performs as well as I think it will.
It is even an EDH powerhouse. It has all the bases of "Expensive new card" covered.

>> No.74994669

>>74994324
>Oko is fine, Dreadbore is a card you know
xDDDD fuck off. 1 card existing that is not a total 2 for 1 or better for the Uro player in constrast to 99% of the rest of options doesn't makes big UG turd acceptable. Most played creature in every format. Every single fucking format.

>> No.74994677
File: 60 KB, 699x485, apu 892.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74994677

>land, led
>cast breakthrough, x=0 crack led for 3r
>dredge 6
>dredge 6
>dredge 6
>dredge 6
>trigger 4 narcomoebas
>cast faithless looting
>dredge 6
>dredge 6
>cabal therapy you 4 times, trigger bridge from below

>> No.74994698

>>74994677
You forgot
>Get kicked out of the store by reciting from memory the Mein kampf in it's entirety as you resolve dread return for lethal

>> No.74994700
File: 294 KB, 720x683, 1557506668682.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74994700

>>74994677
>apu 892
how many apus do you have and c-can i have some, f-fren?

>> No.74994732
File: 1.35 MB, 1280x703, 1579511388914.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74994732

>>74994590
>mfw i didn't listen, once again

>> No.74994739

>>74994700
It's like Bladrunner 2049. This is the Apu which led the East Franks and the Magyars in thier invasion of Great Moravia.

>> No.74994777
File: 86 KB, 814x358, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74994777

i-is it too late?

>> No.74994779

>>74994777
No. It'll top at 30

>> No.74994800

>swore to spend less money on this game
>ended up preordering like 100 bux of frog specs
wtf is wrong with me

>> No.74994805

>>74994590
Based, but I also think Skydiver will even see miser play in vintage

>> No.74994808

>>74994800
>sell the frogspecs for 300 bux
You're not spending money on a game, anymore. You're spending money on collectibles markets. You're no longer a consoomer, you're an exploiter!

>> No.74994946

So why are we spending money on a game that is spiritually fucked? I only bought cards because I wanted to play wiht them.

>> No.74994975

>>74994946
because we cling to hope that it may at some point become less fucked and worst case scenario you can still play the couple decks that have sentimental value with your friends

>> No.74995005

print reb in modern

>> No.74995023

I buy a single collector's booster each set release because I pity my LGS.

>> No.74995064
File: 241 KB, 2048x1536, 119936420_10164127896435301_6773263014358122048_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995064

>Why.bmp
Do they realize they are buying literal jpegs? All those extra copies just poof, no trading, no dusting, no nothing.

>> No.74995110

>>74995064
wherever I am I must consoom

>> No.74995127

>>74995110
>he says while posting in a tcg thread

>> No.74995138

>>74995127
this is a funeral

>> No.74995150

>>74995127
Those of us not here to eulogize are here as vultures.

>> No.74995153

>>74995064
Shut the fuck up and buy more packs goy

>> No.74995178

>>74993613
Most days there is actually more posters in the thread, its just been a slower day fren

>> No.74995214

>>74994608
But Omnath is already a $30 card. How many "money cards" can the set actually hold?

>> No.74995243

So I hear that someone wanted to know if people were testing Manaless Dredge with the new lands.
To my knowledge nobody is testing it in Modern but it is being considered in other formats where they already have Manaless Dredge. Although general opinion seems to be tepid because they would have to build a new deck wholesale or adapt existing manaless builds to fit the new cards. Adapting seems too difficult as the lists are already pretty optimized and building a new one from the ground up is interesting but who is to say it would necessarily be better?
In Modern the chances of it being adopted seem fairly low although some test brews should emerge because Dredge players are determined to basically brew any variant of Dredge imaginable.
I am not sure if a manaless Modern variant will catch on because
1) You are denying yourself a lot of sideboard flexibility
2) It does not actually make Dredge faster nor more consistent, which are what everyone is emphasizing
3) The two main existing Dredge builds are just far stronger than anything a manaless variant would have to offer
4) Whatever this list looks like, it would be harder to play, and Dredge is already kind of facing a lot of uphill battles

>> No.74995318

>>74995214
>How many "money cards" can the set actually hold?
As many cards as it has. Box prices will adjust accordingly. All the mythic spell/land dfcs will see play in every format, especially the black one. Bala Ged Recovery, Glasspool Mimic, Jwari Disruption, Kazuul's Fury, Silundi Vision, all these cards are just slightly overcosted variants of other cards. It has yet to be seen whether how these cards completely assfuck every deckbuilding convention will be impactful enough to overcome the tapland status and lower tempo.
I suspect it will in slower formats. Standard is going to be ANNIHILATED by these cards.
Worst part is, the way these cards break the literal foundation of the game isn't done in a way that makes you go "Oh yeah that's obviously busted", so this is an invisible type of destruction that probably will never recover, if it is as bad as I suspect it could be.

>> No.74995321
File: 242 KB, 672x936, MTG_finance_baby.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995321

>>74994777
>hopping on at $10
god i pray i will not regret this

>> No.74995337

>>74995318
>Worst part is, the way these cards break the literal foundation of the game isn't done in a way that makes you go "Oh yeah that's obviously busted",
I saw it from the start
When the game gets assfucked by this mechanic I expect an apology

>> No.74995359

>>74995337
>When the game gets assfucked by this mechanic I expect an apology
Nah I've been on board since they were spoiled, too. I'm still not fully hyped about them destroying everything, but that's just because they haven't been tested widespread yet.

In my tests, they are disgusting beyond compare. There simply is not another category of card that matches them in versatility. Turns out, taplands aren't so bad when they are just redundant extra lands and not eating into your core mana base.
I'm scared, friends. Agadeem's Awakening is terrifying enough, the fact that there are 30 of these fuckers to throw around is an atrocity waiting to happen.

>> No.74995370

Didn't the mtgag leader anon say that there would be an upcoming mechanic that everyone in playtesting or design or whatever thought was even worse than companions but it got rammed through anyway? I wonder if it's this, or if there is something even worse waiting in Vikangz/Strixhaven

>> No.74995392

>>74994777
It's not even good in edh.

>t commander fag

>> No.74995413

>>74995064
they get turned into wildcards through the vault system.

I'm not advocating people ever buy packs. Building your collection through drafting is much better. You can also do this completely f2p. I'm just saying, they don't go poof.

>> No.74995419
File: 1.99 MB, 400x400, 1498265239589.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995419

>>74995370
Although it is still speculation, we can be pretty confident that the flip-land cards were toned down HARD in response to the Uropocalypse and the state of Standard in general.
Even with that, it looks like these cards are going to make serious waves across all formats. Perhaps they might just end up being dreams and not memes, but still, the brewers are realizing their potential as we speak. I don't doubt that some retarded shit might be discovered with Glasspool Mystic, Bala Ged Recovery or another card I'm missing. This is territory that was previously thought so stupid it shouldn't even be attempted, so combos with it have yet to be discovered. Lord knows, the idiots on the playtesting team aren't big brainded enough to think of such combos themselves.
god help us if there is something worse than this in vikangs

>> No.74995454
File: 106 KB, 672x936, znr-80-silundi-vision.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995454

>>74995359
This one is on my radar
Digging 6 cards in at instant speed is a pretty good return for 3 mana and being a blue tapland if you have better options in hand gives it quite some versatility.

>> No.74995457

>>74992473
I
love
simic

>> No.74995471

The dual lands that enter untapped are very powerful cards. They're honestly great.

The lands that enter tapped unless you pay 3 life and have a shitty mythic on the other side are not as good. These cards aren't actually powerful, they're just random sorta okay-ish spells that you put in your deck because they can be a land if you need a land. The sometimes spell sometimes land mechanic itself is extremely powerful, but the iterations of it we've seen so far aren't that great. Which is a good thing, we don't need another wave of broken shit like companions.

This mechanic is a good thing though. Spells that can be lands (but not both) are good for the game. MTG suffers from an archaic mana system that almost every single game that has come out since has changed. Games where a player floods, games where a player starves, games where a player gets screwed, and hell even games where one player gets just like 2 or 3 extra lands compared to the opponent over the course of the game means that game wasn't fair because they had less resources (spells) to work with. Making changes to the land system in mtg is a good thing, and these dfc's are one experiment towards that end. We'll see if it's the correct solution after people get their hands on them for a while and test.

>> No.74995472

>>74995454
Oh for sure. One thing to note is that if any instant/sorcery-based combos show up with these cards, this will make them more consistent.
plus, it can find spell/lands of other colors, so it also acts as pseudo mana fixing
now that I think about it, this is a utility of the cards that I don't think has been explored in any brews yet. Tutor for creature, get a land? Seems retarded.

>> No.74995479

>>74994590
Emeria's Call seems so fucking bad, though...

>> No.74995487

>>74995471
>shitty mythic
Agadeem's Awakening is NOT a shitty card, friend.

>> No.74995497

>>74995479
Not in the decks that would run it.

>> No.74995507
File: 101 KB, 672x936, znr-211-tangled-florahedron.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995507

>No respect for Tangled Florahedron
i fear this card more than any other from ZNR

>> No.74995511

>>74995479
You need to play with it to understand.
It gives you a yuge alpha strike, and the creatures remain indestructible until your next turn so they can't even just be wrathed away. And you are left with 2 angels to block that are 8 power in the air next turn. It's game-ending. For 7 mana it should be but that's still good and being able to enter as a tapland or an expensive plains gives it insane flexibility. I was lukewarm on it in the beginning but now I think it's as good as Agadeem

>> No.74995531

>>74995507
Why? That card is trash. What makes spelllands so good is that they are serviceable early game as lands, and lategame as spells. This is only good early game and is fighting itself for tempo.

>> No.74995538

>>74995471
>The dual lands that enter untapped are very powerful cards.
They just seem OK to me. I'd rather use fastlands.

>> No.74995557

>>74995471
>a good thing

>> No.74995563
File: 108 KB, 672x936, znr-166-spikefield-hazard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995563

Fuck me, even Spikefield Hazard is looking more and more ridiculous by the day. What is this stupid fucking mechanic.
God, I hope it is as bad as the naysayers say. I don't want to live in a world where these cards see play.

>> No.74995576

>>74995471
>This mechanic is a good thing
Fuck off, Mark.

>> No.74995579

>>74995507
>2 cmc dork
they should've at least made it a 3/3

>> No.74995580

>>74995563
Expound

>> No.74995591

>>74995576
>flooding is a good thing
Fuck off, anonymous shitposter.

>> No.74995603

>>74995580
Current burn is a fucking Prowess deck.

>> No.74995609

>>74995591
It is a risk factor you have to hedge against with quality deckbuilding.
Only people with no skill complain about losing due to factors they could control if they had skill.

>> No.74995617

Not only does this mechanic have the potential to be an epic shitfest but it's a slap in the face to Magic players and shows that WotC is pushing ALL IN on digital design. Paper players hate dual faced cards. They were always a huge pain in the ass. But they aren't a problem in digital!
They have said there will be more of these too. It's evergreen. So this is the way of the future. A fundamental change to how the game works, in a way that players have historically disliked. And for what? To add more consistency to Arena BO1 matches so shitters don't get mad about being manascrewed because they didn't want to mulligan.

>> No.74995620

>>74995563
That art is fucking gnarly tho suprised nuwotc would print it

>> No.74995632

>>74995617
>but it's a slap in the face to Magic players and shows that WotC is pushing ALL IN on digital design
It really is. Resolving these cards is going to be omega ass in paper. Imagine having to unsleeve and resleeve a card EVERY TIME YOU PLAY A LAND
the quality of life of these cards is so miserable. These designs should never pass the table.

>> No.74995644
File: 161 KB, 672x936, c19-26-hate-mirage.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995644

>>74995620
Tomasz is an acceptable artist of the nu-art era. Not amazing, but he at least knows how to compose an image.

>> No.74995684

>>74995617
>>74995632
It really does just keep getting worse

>> No.74995705

There is no such thing as skill involved in flooding/starving. It doesn't matter how many mathematical calculations you perform to get the best chances of drawing a land, it doesn't matter if you construct a deck designed to take advantage of flooding, it doesn't matter if you build a deck designed to operate on 3 lands, it doesn't matter if you build a deck with cheap cantrips to dig for lands, etc. It doesn't matter, because some portion of your games will simply be lost to random variance regarding lands, and that's not what a competitive multiplayer game should have. The best players in the world have lost to random mana screw on camera with thousands of dollars on the line. Only an absolute fucking retard who doesn't understand the issue being discussed would say something like just get better at deck building. Random chance will still create non-games for you, even if you're as good at the game as a person can possibly be. Your 3 mana deck will draw 6 lands. Your deck designed to function on flooding will only draw 3 lands. Your deck with cheap cantrips will reveal 0 lands on your first brainstorm and then 0 more on your second. We've all had it happen to us, and we've all watched it on camera.

Something, anything, to counteract this is good. Am I saying the DFC cards are the solution? Who knows. We need to test them more since they're brand new. But the idea of addressing the issue of mana screw is at least worth trying and this is an attempt.

A long time ago you could mulligan for free if you had no/all lands. Other games like Force of Will have an excellent mana system that addresses the screw issue without going in the opposite direction that most digital card have gone in which is just adding mana every turn automatically (which is not the solution, that makes games same-y). It's something game designers and game players are aware of as an issue, and I'm looking forward to seeing the creative ways they try to address it.

>> No.74995709
File: 133 KB, 311x366, trig'd.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995709

>>74995705
kek

>> No.74995719

>>74995705
shut the fuck up retard you always show up every couple months to open your fat lips and bitch about how much you hate mana because of muh flood and muh screw and you wish you could just turn everything into a land by turning it upside down like in the WoW card game or some shit, because you have no understanding of what magic is, unable to grasp its most fundamental concept
now wotc listens to professional imbeciles like you

>> No.74995722

>>74995705
>another person that doesn't understand the game talks about screw/flood because abloobloo
If you are getting screwed/flooded that often you are bad at making decks or you aren't shuffling well. Period. I'm not reading your 1000 word essay on why you are a shitter. Play a different game

>> No.74995723

>>74995632
You should really educate yourself on the issue before you talk. There is a DFC card token in the packs that you write on and then put sleeved in your deck, and then you can have the DFC itself in a transparent sleeve that you place on the table when you draw and play the dfc token. This is EXACTLY how the innistrad flip cards worked as well. So apparently you forgot about that too.

I swear, people just mouth off whatever bullshit to say the sky is falling because they're reactionary retards.

>> No.74995728
File: 490 KB, 449x401, laugh at you.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995728

>>74995723
>but there's a checkbox card!
ahaha imagine actually putting those fucking ugly ass abominations in your fucking deck

>> No.74995731

>>74995723
Checklist cards are homosexual and always were

>> No.74995747

>>74995723
>"you idiot! Just bring an extra sideboard alongside your sideboard in the deckboxes that are made to fit 75 sleeved cards! Obviously this is a solution!"

>> No.74995748

>>74995723
>having half my deck be various checklist cards
>having to drag out the actual card when I play a land
Checklist cards aren't a good fix

>> No.74995762

>>74995471
They're a good idea for a different game. For Magic, they're a design mistake that will only get worse as WotC prints more of them and inevitably starts making ones that are too strong. The land system has its problems, but it's not something that should be clumsily """fixed""" on a whim.

>> No.74995769

>>74992473
PART
AND
PARCELBEAST

>> No.74995781

>>74995747
>being a deckboxlet
Satin Towers can comfortably carry 100 double sleeved cards.

>> No.74995789

>>74995781
>satin tower
oh no no no

>> No.74995794
File: 24 KB, 377x377, 1599567125522.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995794

>>74995781
oh, so you're an EDHcoomer
it all makes sense
go back to your containment thread

>> No.74995796

>>74995723
my fucking god

>> No.74995799

>>74995728
>>74995731
If you think they're ugly, then you can do the same thing except with the real card instead of the token. Just havew the card in a transparent sleeve and place it on which side you want to cast when you draw the dfc, so you don't have to unsleeve anything.

They provided a solution to the unsleeving issue, and if you don't like their solution because of aesthetics, then you can create your own solution by having a copy of the card handy in a transparent sleeve while the original is sleeved in your deck.

>>74995747
I've done it with legacy delver since the card was printed anon. You can figure it out too just like I did.

>>74995722
>anon claims to be better at the game than the pros in finals of worlds
>if they just shuffled better they wouldn't get mana screwed
Ah yes, my favorite episode of /mmg/. The one where he thinks shuffling properly does anything except randomize the cards. If you're shuffling in such a way that you are preventing yourself from getting mana screwed, then you are unironically cheating. The one and only goal of shuffling is to properly randomize the deck, and a properly randomized deck will have no higher or lower chance of getting mana screwed than the same deck properly randomized by someone else.

I can't believe "just cheat bro" and "the pros on camera just suck" is what you guys came up with. Why do I even come here lmao

>> No.74995813

>>74995799
Nobody wants to use checklist cards you fagolo

>> No.74995816

>>74995799
The problem is DFCs were a fucking mistake to begin with. It was a quirky novelty in OG Innistrad that never should have been returned to after everybody realized how terrible it was in limited.

>> No.74995821

>>74995794
>>74995789
No. I'm a Modern and Legacy player.
Why would you buy deckboxes designed to fit fewer cards when you can comfortably pack in your tokens and checklist cards into a bigger deckbox?

>> No.74995834

>>74995821
>tokens
edh tranny confirmed

>> No.74995835
File: 8 KB, 225x225, 1593185788404.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995835

>>74995821
>No. I'm a Modern and Legacy player.
Suuure ya are, bud

>> No.74995842

>>74995799
>misquoting me this hard
If you are getting flooded/screwed "THAT OFTEN"**(this is the important part btw) then you are bad at deckbuilding or you aren't shuffling well. Obviously, everyone will get burned every now and then. You can run the fucking statistics on it if you want, it's unlikely. Please blow your brains out, retard

>> No.74995857

spell lands are good for the game as it minimizes the number of nongames. no matter how good you are and how well designed your deck is, there is always a nontrivial chance that you'll either flood out or not draw any lands past your starting hand.

>> No.74995870

>>74995857
go play hearthstone

>> No.74995879

>>74995857
WHY ARE YOU PLAYING A FUCKING CARD GAME IF YOU DONT LIKE ANY SORT OF RANDOM CHANCE ELEMENTS. YOU LITERALLY START THE GAME BY DRAWING SOME RANDOM CARDS IN YOUR DECK

>> No.74995886

You should have 1 of every token your deck can produce. You should have 1 of every DFC your deck can cast. If your deck box can't hold 60+15+tokens/dfc then find a new one. This isn't even new either, people have custom delvers in transparent sleeves to place on the token/sleeved delver they draw all the time.

>>74995857
This is the root of it. Reducing the number of non-games is a good thing. The people saying you suck at shuffling are retarded, and the people saying DFC's in general is an annoying mechanic at least have a valid point but it's still worth investigating/testing as one possible solution to the non-games issue. Maybe in the future we will have one that is more elegant than DFC's.

>> No.74995890
File: 233 KB, 1512x2016, Vhm4WPV.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995890

>play legacy
>keep an excellent hand except with 1 land
>land, brainstorm
>no fetch in the top 3
WELL I GUESS I'M JUST DRAW PASSING FOR THE NEXT 3 TURNS AT A MINIMUM

>> No.74995898

>>74995617
>Paper players hate dual faced cards
Anon, let me tell you about a little set called Innistrad.

>> No.74995915

>>74995890
>keep an excellent hand except with 1 land
so.... a hand that is not excellent then.

>> No.74995918

>>74995890
>play a trading card game
>get btfo for keeping a one lander
>blame the game

>> No.74995924

>Instead of drawing 7 random cards as an opening hand, each player draws 6 random cards as an opening hand and selects 1 basic land to be the 7th card
Hire me wizards

>> No.74995930

>>74995890
Every time I see an idiot play a land, brainstorm, then proceed to play no land the next turn, I laugh my ass of at their expense.
That type of play is what we call "Having no skill"

>> No.74995938
File: 174 KB, 862x402, NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995938

Imagine buying this at its peak...

>> No.74995942

>>74995886
there will always be variance, retard. variance is intrinsic to the game. you build your deck with that in mind to minimize it, but it's inescapable. and in fact magic was designed around variance. many cards are super busted and checked partly by the difficulty of casting. you are not supposed to just always be able to make a land drop every turn if you feel like it so you can always cast everything. you are literally bitching that a game designed around resources doesn't let you bypass the resources freely. you are bitching about the core design of the game itself, yet you still play it, when you could play other games. I have a hard time believing you are a legacy player as legacy players have been dealing with mana since the fucking 90s and have played tens of thousands of games and understand that if you are not a colossal retard the amount of mana-related non-games is low. sometimes you just get fucked but that's always going to happen, eventually, in a card game.
you are just a faggot who wants mana for nothing and should be delivering microwave ovens rather than pretending you know anything about magic

>> No.74995944

>>74995938
I was *tempted* at $50. Glad I didn't do it.

>> No.74995945
File: 270 KB, 482x485, 1599808376362.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995945

>>74995705

>how to make wasteland worthless and taxes decks tier 65537: the post

what a retard you are

>> No.74995952

>>74995924
Now THAT'S what I call FIRE, anon! You have a perfect place at Wizards, beneath the desk pleasuring Hasbro executives just like the rest of them.

>> No.74995965
File: 25 KB, 502x391, 1587340441797.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995965

>>74995938
>peaked at 500
>you just know there is someone who bought it at 499

>> No.74995969

You guys realize this dude whining about manascrew has been doing this for years making the same shitty arguments, right? And he never learns. Don't waste your time.

>> No.74995971
File: 219 KB, 775x581, i got what i fucking deserved.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74995971

>>74995938
YAMERO

>> No.74995973

just manaweave and stop shitting your pants over flooding/nolands holy fuck

>> No.74995976

>>74995890
>take risk
>lose
>WTF THIS IS UNFAIR
lmao at screw/flood fags. You always have terrible keeps and punch a hole in the wall

>> No.74995995

>>74995821
lol I carry around an entire extra sideboard for testing most of the time so I buy 100 card deckboxes but I don't buy Satin Towers because Satin Towers are shit. You have shit taste in deckboxes.

>> No.74996000

>>74995995
Post your deckbox, faggot.

>> No.74996024
File: 14 KB, 474x474, ug_boulder_orange.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74996024

>>74996000

>> No.74996026

>>74995890
brainstorm-locking is the perfect pleb filter of Legacy. Only retards brainstorm without a fetch already set up, unless you're desperate-digging for Force of Will/Daze.

>> No.74996061

>>74995942
No one, not me nor wizards nor the person who started this conversation, are saying to eliminate all variance. So you're just babbling about whatever incorrect perception you have of what is actually being said.

These DFC cards are designed to have a few of them in your deck (not all 24 lands) so you have a couple options instead of sitting there doing nothing in a non-game. Most of them are shitty spells on the front and a tapped land on the back. This is the way it should be. People should have to "pay" for the insurance/versatility of never getting mana starved by having both sides be lackluster. If anything, they're actually well-designed so far. The fear is that wotc will F.I.R.E them up and have both sides be good, but at present, they've actually shown restraint and are obviously just testing the waters for how the system works.

Despite what you are strawmaning, nobody wants to "eliminate variance". They just want to have a few cards in the deck that can serve as an insurance policy against those unfun non-games that do occasionally happen, no matter how many times people want to say they are rare and they only happen to bad players and you suck at shuffling. We've all seen it happen to pros on camera. It's a thing, and it feels bad every time. Some small mechanic that exists for people who want an insurance policy against this happening, in exchange for both sides of the card being lackluster, is fine.

When all 24 of your lands are DFC, or when both sides of the card are good, or when there is no downside to gaining this versatility/insurance, then yeah, we can talk about it being a mistake. But at present, if a player elects to have like 4 or maybe several total in their deck to just shave off a couple tiny percentage points from the likelihood they get mana starved, that's a good thing.

>> No.74996077

>>74996061
>These DFC cards are designed to have a few of them in your deck (not all 24 lands) so you have a couple options instead of sitting there doing nothing in a non-game.
build your deck better, retard

>> No.74996104

>>74996026
There's plenty of reasons to cast brainstorm without a fetch in hand. That being said it seems reasonable to keep a risky 7 if it's a land problem, my delver deck has something like a 56% chance of a fetch land being in the top 4(assuming we're on the draw). There are plenty of times I'll accept those odds.

>> No.74996221

does /mmg/ respect people who use playmat tubes?

>> No.74996224

@74996061
Imagine responding to this retard again

>> No.74996225
File: 298 KB, 616x477, 1600275404490.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74996225

>>74996221
>playmats

>> No.74996232

>>74996221
Use them to do what? Shove up their ass?

>> No.74996234

>>74996221
Sure. You have to keep your playmat somewhere.

>> No.74996449
File: 176 KB, 672x936, thb-169-dryad-of-the-ilysian-grove.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74996449

remember when prime time took skill to play?

>> No.74996459
File: 251 KB, 672x936, arn-40-kird-ape.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74996459

Hi, I used to be modern playable.

>> No.74996469
File: 197 KB, 672x936, wwk-13-loam-lion.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74996469

>>74996459
i cry for my naya zoo deck
i cry every time

>> No.74996484

I need interesting two card combos for cube where each card is independently playable, like Boros Reckoner and Blasphemous Act.

>> No.74996524

>>74996459
>>74996469
>2/3 for 1
>2/2 for 1
not FIRE enough

>> No.74996533

>>74996524
they're both 2/3 anon
;_; and they used to be as good as creatures got

>> No.74996542

>>74996459
Kird Ape used to be LEGACY playable, before Delver.

>> No.74996564

>>74996459
I used to get made fun of because I thought it was Kind Ape for years

>> No.74996602

>>74996061
The idea is fine and I agree with what you're saying but I feel like the people who are worried that WotC will make a broken one in the future also have a very legitimate concern considering their recent history.

>> No.74996605

>>74996484

you should not be allowed to build a cube tbqh

>> No.74996609

>>74996484
Heliod + ballista
bloom tender + freed from the real
kiki jiki/twin combos
persist combos
devoted druid combos
niv mizzet + ophidian eye/curiosity
mindslaver + academy ruins
hall of heliod's genrosity + lunar force / second chance / standstill

>> No.74996612

>>74996484
Put Homing Sliver in your cube but its only purpose is to find changeling instants/sorceries like Wings of Velis Vel

>> No.74997040
File: 103 KB, 1206x816, omnath.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74997040

>omnath went from 7$ to 20$ overnight and is still climbing
>almost picked up 4 copies for 7$ two days ago but pussied out

He's the next Uro isnt he

>> No.74997183

>>74997040
This is the kind of card that if someone made it in CCG they would be laughed off the face of the earth.

>> No.74997257
File: 283 KB, 1191x875, AAAA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74997257

>> No.74997342

>>74997040
>>74997183
>Line of text 10, this is just being silly and beyond the point of reason.

>> No.74997416

>>74996605
Go away, maro

>> No.74997764

>>74992300
GWT is strategical and even more tactical. After +50 games, there still is space to explore. There are a plethora of +2000 word posts about different strategies, its played in zhe WBC only a single rules change (bidding vp for starting order) etc.
I obviously like GWT and am biased that way, but I think saying there is little depth in the game is fundamentally wrong. I agree that it can be more tactical than strategic, especially if you play it for the first few times. But I find it's the deepest game of it's weightclass I own and it somehow miraculously manages to be great if you play it the first time and equally great if you play it for the 40th time.

>> No.74997802

>>74997764
>Can't delete posts on mobile for some reason

Serves me right for phoneposting

>> No.74997871
File: 121 KB, 640x801, d0af06075626fe56ccb4345ddc0cb950.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74997871

Art direction edition.
>friendly, daily and threadly reminder that wotc is de facto printing an illegal cryptocurrency where prices are kept artificially inflated due to artificial scarcity and insider trading that gets distributed through lottery tickets and lootboxes and that they spend, all costs included, 2 cents per card to print them

>> No.74998085
File: 189 KB, 1123x743, Boulder 40+.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74998085

>>74995781
They'll actually make 40+ and 60+ card boulders(double sleeved, about 1.25x more for single). I pretty much exclusively use boulders since they take up the least space compared to durability. But the 100+ can't hold more than 100 double sleeved (Dragon shields and dragon shield/KMC inners) cards to save their life, and they hold those very uncomfortably. So I'll buy a 40+ for all my token needs, since I play some token heavy EDH decks, they seem like a cute little addition to a solid lineup.

Just uhh, a tip from someone who has quite a few of them, don't get a colored one if you are going to throw it in your backpack, all of mine show wear with pretty light use. The coating just flakes off and becomes smudged real easily. The transparents become a little scruffed, but you can whipe most of the smudges off since they aren't coated, unlike a colored one.

>> No.74998361

>>74997416
he's not wrong
two card combos are extremely linear and boring
and they push your cubes power level up to the moon
are you gonna put oko in your cube?

>> No.74998516

>>74992052
It loses to any sort of interaction, i don't know why people are banking on cards to stick around on battlefield when they don't even have any way of protecting them either, sounds like a commander deck in the making.

>> No.74998548

>>74992228
it's really not that hard

you really just need a few copies of scute and a piece of paper to say how many scutes are in the pile

>> No.74998598
File: 92 KB, 400x400, 1599068928641.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74998598

https://youtu.be/dIehiuOMSGk
Fellow control players, our deck is shit.
We don't get enough tools.

>> No.74998614

>>74998516
Wizards forgot to print any interaction in standard.

>> No.74998624

>>74998598
I fucked up the format because i'm a huge faggot.
It should have been:
Fellow control players, our deck is too strong, we got way too many tools in the recent 2 years.

>> No.74998953 [DELETED] 

>>74992424
>scute swarm + mutate
oh no. i can already see it.
question is, what would be the good cards to mutate on top of a scute swarm? Parcelbeast for more landfall? Auspicious Starrix to get free ugins? Cavern Whisperer for that sweet sweet menace?

>> No.74998971
File: 207 KB, 800x1149, 56997862_p1 haniri gets needle'd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74998971

>>74998953
actually nevermind that question was already answered somewhere else in the thread
i really need to read before i post

>> No.74999005

>>74993485
3 mana 3/3 with some upside is natural, so is a 4 mana 3/3 with major upsides. a 3 or 4 mana 6/6 with upsides is undercosted at best.

>> No.74999025

>>74998953

gemrazer is really disgustingly efficient. it just does everything and answers everything on one fucking card.

>> No.74999030

>>74995971
Confess

>> No.74999195

>>74995938
It pleases me greatly that inverstors got absolutely btfo with this one

>> No.74999407

>>74995064
Magic players are cucks. How have you not realised this in 30 fucking years of this game’s history

>> No.74999420

>>74995644
How come khenra are so cute?

>> No.74999433
File: 397 KB, 500x280, statler and waldorf.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74999433

>>74995938

>> No.74999445

>>74995563
>How to counter Uro in red.

>> No.74999455

>>74996449
What's a primetime? We just have Uro now?

>> No.74999482

Does people really feel satisfaction copying a known and proven top tier decklist and win with it? How is that even possible?

>> No.74999488

>>74998614
Nah it's just that Uro nullifies all interaction so you might aswell just make your value pile too.

>> No.74999528

>>74995318
>Box prices will adjust accordingly.
that's not how it works you dumb fuck

>> No.74999553
File: 424 KB, 1610x622, viking clickbait article.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74999553

Opened my browser to see a clickbaity article about Vikings and started dreading the idea that WotC employee's doing the same.
Got me thinking...about Kaldheim...

>> No.74999572

>>74999553
we wuz vikangz

>> No.74999592
File: 48 KB, 660x460, dinosaur_feathers2-660x460.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
74999592

>>74999553
>>74999572
If Wizards decided to change vikings they'd only get my approval if they did something like giving them feathers as some meta joke.

>> No.74999641

>>74995938
>highest buylist : -

>> No.74999651

>>74999592
LOOOL EVERYTHING SHOULD BE A JOKE LOOOL IMAGINE LIKING THINGS AND WANTING THEM TO BE COOL, DINOSAURS SHOULD HAVE RAINBOW FEATHERS AND VIKINGS SHOULD HAVE CLOWN HATS

>> No.74999701

>>74997040
>he didn't listen
eh

>> No.74999708

>>74999651
Except for the tie in of Odin's ravens and the symbolism aspect.
Who pissed in your Fruity Pebbles my dude?

>> No.74999714

>>74999708
How about they just do things without faggy coffee shop hipster irony and not pozz it up under the guise of subverting expectations or whatever?

>> No.74999753

>>74999553
>all these globohomo novlanguage buzzwords
that's when you know you can directly put the article right into the trashcan of kikes' shit, where it belong

>> No.74999765

>>74999714
because then they have to do things like pay artists and writers who have actual talent and passion instead of crowdsourcing bottom of the barrel tumblerina twitch artists.

>> No.74999943

>wotc powercreeps the game so hard it's not even creeping it's just barging through the wall
>rogue decks obliterated from every single format because they can't compete with the efficiency
>"rogue" decks now the top deck because of pushed u/b rogues

>> No.74999956

Arena was probably the biggest mistake ever. Filled magic with lots of complete assfaggot zoomers. They should've been kept out but now you got thousands of these faggots running around screaming sultai, jeskai, jund etc and think they are in the know and hip and cool magic players because they reached mythic in their grindy coinflipping addiction of a joke that is the arena ladder.

>> No.74999963

>>74999956
>people never used the terms sultai, jeskai, and jund before arena

>> No.74999987

>forget about this game and keep my pretty cards to look at from time to time
Win-win
Thanks cucks of the coast!

>> No.74999989

>>74999956
All i think is that we should've gatekept away the adrenaline addicted LoL and Heartstone crowd because i just recently been reading through some MtGag threads (and reddit spikes) and holy fucking shit have the no clue about the game they play and they think their little bubble of this client is somehow close to how magic the gathering is played.

>> No.75000001

>>74999963
It just bothers me how some twitch thot who never even knew what the game was two months ago start saying they are going to make a rakdos deck or a Jund deck although they have no fucking clue about said names.

>> No.75000002

wotc unbans everything and does a pioneer style bnr every 2 weeks for modern. does modern get better or worse?

>> No.75000050

>>74999989
I hate to break it to you but there are a lot of paper players who are like that, and there always have been. Everyone wants to believe Magic players are smarter than average, but they are seriously fucking stupid. I remember when people were getting mad as fuck about Counterspells in the 90s saying "wtf, I don't even get to PLAAAYYyyyYYYyyy this game is so stupid" and those players are the monored/monogreen shitters you see in Arena complaining about things like Sublime Epiphany. The average person is just dumb and wants to slam epic heckin big doggos without thinking. If anything, we're in a bubble. People in /mmg/ aren't normal. r/MagicTCG is normal. This is inherently a competitive format, and even being mildly competitive, is above the level of commitment most people have.
All Arena has done is expose you to how pathetic many Magic players always were.
>>75000001
Real zoomers would not be caught dead playing Magic Arena because Magic Arena is too slow. I interact with zoomers and they are so vapid many of them can't sit through a 3 minute Youtube video. How the fuck do you think they are going to play Arena where your opponent LITERALLY can make you wait 3 minutes before you get to play 1 land? Where the progression is slower than every other card game? Why would they play this when they could be skydiving out of a plane beating people to death with a dildo over a rasta hat or whatever the fuck they do in Fortnite?

>> No.75000053
File: 106 KB, 2518x1024, 1598943325530.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
75000053

/mmg/, do you want a hug? You guys are legitimately the most depressed general I've ever seen. Even sonic games generals seems to handle their insanity better than you.

t. legabvll

>> No.75000061

>>74999963
Not him, but I also always found the khans wedge names extremely bad, as bad as the apocalypse wedge names

>> No.75000067

>>75000053
Sup? How's elking? You know, since Wrenn and Six was deemed too powerful for your format, you need at least second best walker :^)

>> No.75000068

>>75000002

a lot worse. the only thing that could maybe save the format is printing some kind of force-of-will powered answer to hit planeswalkers and graveyards simultaneously. the threats in the format have overrun the answers we have available and until that changes the format will stay shit.

>> No.75000075

>>74993613
I sold out and am still a regular

>> No.75000077

>>75000053

I noticed some guy pulled off a 5-0 league with turbo depths. what a fucking magician.

>> No.75000095

>>75000061
I am not the biggest fan of them but they're easier when you're using them in conversation and then eventually it bleeds into usage when you're typing because everyone knows what you mean.
What's worse is that now there are different wedge names in Ikoria so you have some retards saying things like Indatha.

>> No.75000119

>>74993613
/mmg/ is now more a selfhelp group than a general about modern discussion. I've been selling out since companions hit and I still visit /mmg/ every few days for the community. You guys are alright.

>> No.75000127

>>75000050
I suppose you're right, i just truly feel how most players are just so fucking pathetic, worst cluster is the ones who think they are or can be pros. Or for that matter pros who think they are so clever and smart while it's obvious that all they do is just copy what is the most popular and top deck and bring that to the tournament because they are all lazy bastards.

I suppose it's just complete faggots who hang out on arena then. I'm not particularly competitive but i like just making my own decks and try and find ways to compete against all these people who just copies whatever they saw on goldfish and think they will be great for it.

>> No.75000155
File: 603 KB, 320x240, 1600003743952.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
75000155

>>75000067
Classic deflection per usual. Oko is just another card to ditch for FoW. How's Faithless Looting- oh, that's right...

>>75000077
Turbo Depths could be better if it had better utility for SB. Sometimes it sneaks in 5-0's and that pleases me.

>> No.75000198

>>75000053
Based legabvll.

>> No.75000201
File: 276 KB, 672x936, wth-129-gaea-s-blessing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
75000201

There are so many people trying to make Mill happen.

>> No.75000241

>>75000000

>> No.75000243

>>75000155
>Classic deflection per usual. Oko is just another card to ditch for FoW. How's Faithless Looting- oh, that's right...
i mean, yeah - modern is legacy light after all. But your DnTcucks cried so much that their 1/1s die to damage that Six got banned XD

>> No.75000296
File: 1.41 MB, 569x424, 1596919826944.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
75000296

>>75000243
>modern is legacy light
>DnTcucks cried so much that their 1/1s die to damage that Six got banned
>XD

Jesus christ, take your (you) and fuck off.

>> No.75000328 [SPOILER] 
File: 126 KB, 600x452, 1600609727971.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
75000328

>>75000243
I wonder who could be behind this post

>> No.75000394

>>75000201
>Tfw because Uro is a 6/6 landfall mill will never be good
>Tfw if they keep the incidental life gains 6/6 will be too small
>Tfw soon mill will be good
Haha fire!

>> No.75000402

>>75000394
bro... the mill decks play uro

>> No.75000510

longcat died

>> No.75000620

>>75000510
Sauce or lies, fag.

>> No.75000636

>>75000620
https://twitter.com/miyabi_2222/status/1307570030939308032
Even the memes are dying.

>> No.75000714

>>74996221
>curling your playmat
ew no

>> No.75000717

>play storm
>get archive trap surgical'd grapeshot while my turn 1 serum visions is on the stack
Mill is such a fucking nigger deck.

>> No.75000749

>>75000717
>manlet vs. manlet

>> No.75000762

>>75000749
I'm 5'9, dude.

>> No.75000765
File: 274 KB, 736x1444, adddd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
75000765

>play degenerate uninteractive goldfish deck
>get interacted with
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A SINGLE PLAYER GAME

>> No.75000794

>>75000762
>He confirmed it
Oh I'm laughing

>> No.75000809

>>75000717
Modern storm is almost as brainless as burn

>> No.75000813

>>75000762
LMAO

>> No.75000847

>>75000402
Exactly my point.
BUg mill is better as BUG midrange because 6/6 are still a bigger clock than mill, but with how much incidental life gain is in cards nowadays 6/6 will become “small” in 1-2 sets.
Also mill plays Ashiok so they remove your grave.

>> No.75000876

>>75000053
Legacucks manage to be even more delusional than the average magic player lol

>> No.75000950
File: 9 KB, 365x365, playmat toploader.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
75000950

>>74996221
For me, its the humble playmat toploader

>> No.75000972

>>75000969

>>75000969

>>75000969

>> No.75001283

>>74999553
>out of 400+ vikings in yurop and greenland archaeology sites, exactly 2 of them are yuropean
wow, what a lot of text to say absolutely nothing.

>> No.75002184

>>75000000

>> No.75002914

>>74998548
Actually you can use a single dice if you measure the power of 2 instead of the number of copies. For example 5 means you have 32 (2^5) copies. Each time a land arrive you add one.

>> No.75003059
File: 226 KB, 982x847, 1600622147651.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
75003059

>>
Name (leave empty)
Comment (leave empty)
Name
E-mail
Subject
Comment
Password [?]Password used for file deletion.
Captcha
Action