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So please tell me how the hell is Age of Sigmar better than 40k or old fantasy?

This is pathetic

>> No.73901639

>>73901607
this is not a canon color scheme

>> No.73901706

>robot unicorn attack
>except it's neither a robot not attacking
Worthless.

>> No.73901720

ALWAYS

>> No.73901723

>one designer painted a famulous rainbow unicorn

>ERMAGERD ALL AOS BAD

>> No.73901736

>>73901607
>somebody paints their minis how they want
>this is somehow pathetic
good god the state of you faggots

>> No.73901737

>>73901607
Back to /mlpol/ with you.

>> No.73901759

>>73901607
apparently you're unfamiliar with old school tzeentch, secondary

>> No.73901783
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73901783

>>73901723
When there's multiple literally just 40k armies paraded around by GW as legitimate AoS armies then you know AoS has nothing.

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73901786

>>73901607
No more Shark threads.

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>>73901607
If you've hung around /40kg/ for some time, you'd see every now and then someone complement the way aos's rules are or ideas they wish were implemented in 40k.

>> No.73901827

>>73901818
/40kg/ sucks ass

>> No.73901854
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73901854

>>73901607
Wait, Aos guys actually paint their models? That in itself is a big improvement over lots of 40k greytide assholes.

>> No.73901858

>>73901827
That's true, it's filled with cumbrains.

>> No.73901861

>>73901783
the secondary fears creativity

>> No.73901904
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73901904

>>73901607
OP is still a faggot with no minis. What should we derail this thread into? Giantesses?? Tomboys?

>> No.73901916

>>73901607
>from the realm of light
>has a color scheme that reflects the entire visible spectrum of light
what's the issue?

>> No.73901921

>>73901827
>>73901858
>those reply times
>those similar writing styles
What does this mean?

>> No.73901936

>>73901904
/a/'s had some inspiration with a tent or tuck thread. how about a /tg/ version?

>> No.73901941

>>73901607
Based Sporthorse fan.

>> No.73901948

>>73901854
AoS is in a weird place for that actually. Nobody plays it for the lore, there's no vidya for it so there's little crossover from that demographic, and the retarded rules from 1e filtered out the WAACfags. What you're left with is a fanbase largely composed of people who are primarily there for the hobby aspect, so you get a lot more painted armies.

>> No.73901963

>>73901921
That you have undiagnosed schizophrenia

>> No.73901996

>>73901948
That's surprisingly great. Minimal WAACfags and most playing the hobby for the hobby itself? Why's that so rare nowadays? That's amazing.

>> No.73902054

>>73901996
It's not rare, it's most of the hobby just a chunk of 40k people don't do it.

>> No.73902063
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73902063

>>73901904
I saved some pics on this shounen harem manga where the mc allegedly fucks every single tomboy in his harem but doesn't fuck anyone who isn't a tomboy in canon. Apparently they had onscreen sex scenes depicting wild, unprotected happy sex. I could post some if OP's faggotry goes out of control and we need to counter it.

>> No.73902073

>>73901607
This looks like someone took one of those old high elf designs, and updated it to be a bit more detailed while keeping similar color scheme.

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73902086

>>73901720

>> No.73902087

>>73902054
It's not rare? I keep on seeing greytide people complaining about the new +10 VP and more. Maybe it's just my area and local community.

>> No.73902089
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73902089

I am writing an AoS port of Necromunda which is the only way I'll ever get enjoyment out of the setting. Really got into Mordheim over WHFB proper and had been playing that for years. Now I've been playing a lot of Necromunda so it seems only natural to do this.

AoS is in its infancy which means it's ripe for whatever you want to grow with it. I kind of feel like a pioneer making all my own fluff and expanding on things that are briefly mentioned in what I've read.

Stay away from Dark Harvest. It's the first BL book I've read since I read an Ian Watson book (before BL so I'm not sure why I counted it and thought BL might actually be good) and it was a huge disappointment.

>> No.73902131

>>73902087
Again it's more problem of 40k, because it's popular with bunch of competitive assholes. Also chunk of idiots who don't get setting is satire is not helping either, since those people are notoriously uncreative

>> No.73902137

>>73902087
you're letting the loud minority get to you

>> No.73902141

>>73901861
I saw his big aircraft carrier thing and I must say a KO carrier would be pretty interesting to see and to have skirmish fights on. When I saw it I immediately thought of a scenario around it being boarded by opposing forces and the crew having to fight them which would really work well with my Necromunda thing where you can pick people up, throw them, push them, etc. A lot of hazards.

>> No.73902144

>>73902131
Ah I see. I hang around 40k groups more so that's why.

>> No.73902168

>>73901783
That is not a gw army tho. Vince is not a gw dev.

>> No.73902170
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>>73901607
Not gonna lie that's a cool color scheme. And faggots can go drown.

>> No.73902173

>>73901948
>>73901996

Found the red shirt

>> No.73902175

>>73901948
That is not true. The only people that play AoS near me are netlisting tourneyfags. Same for 40k. The armies are (mostly) painted to varying degrees but no one converts or uses techniques other than what you'd see in the average WTV video.

>> No.73902188

>>73902144
It's granted not a thing in other types of non-mainline 40k, kill-team scene around where I play is a lot more in line with the etting, necromunda too, and we are having talk of gorkamorka too, just need some trucks.

>> No.73902236

>>73902063
/40kg/ likes to bully everyone who doesn't know the source of that pic. It's fun because everyone already knows the source or can find it easily. Even spoonfeeders tend to feed the wrong manga just to troll.
>>73902137
That would explain everything. Just an annoying bunch who ruin it for the rest.

>> No.73902257

>>73902173
But anon, this isn't Star Trek.
>>73902175
>Same for 40k.
Wat

>> No.73902258

>>73902141
the inspiration that these custom armies gives me quickly gives way to despair when I remember GW still won't sell individual bits and it would cost 500 dollars to get all the kits to make it.

>> No.73902274

>>73902257
Netlisting tourneyfags. It's just netlisting tourneyfags everywhere. There's no escape.

>> No.73902464

>>73901607
>rainbows
That's cultural appropriation.

>> No.73902541

>>73901723
Yes it is.

>> No.73902566

>>73901783
Vince isnt a dev. He just makes insane conversions.

>> No.73902581

>>73902541
faggot secondary

>> No.73902605

AoS > 40k
>better rules
>better models (enjoy another 50 space marine kits lel)
>entirely custom hero creator, more customization than 40k
>homebrew and kitbashing heavily encouraged
>fun, fluffy rules for every faction
>fluff is kept in the background where it belongs, no annoying lorefags

>> No.73902614

>>73901786
Shark threads every day until AoS dies.

>> No.73902640

>>73902614
So every day forever then huh? AoS after 5 years is already more popular in tabletop circles than WHFB was in 30, imagine where we'll be then

>> No.73902676

>>73901948
This is very true, WAACs all play 40k because that's the "Serious balance game", so much so GW hired WAAC tourneyfags to write the entire 9th edition for them. Secondaries flock to 40k because vidya and e-celebs shill it. AoS is an almost entirely /tg/ community

>> No.73902724

>>73902676
Until focus home releases the 1st aos vidya

>> No.73902745

>>73902605
Just about every time I hear about the custom hero creator I get cries about how much they wish it was implemented in 40k. I never checked it out but apparently 40k players are deeply envious of it.

>> No.73902869

>>73902724
We have until then to enjoy things as they are, our only problem are cross posting redditors who spam threads such as this because their favorite e-celeb says AoS is bad
>>73902745
It's amazing, you build a hero from the race up and can even use them in matched play, tournaments can allow them too if they want.

>> No.73902872

>>73902745
Because it was taken away from 40k. It was also taken away with the death of Fantasy but now that it's back (it should never have left) it's okay somehow? I mean, I like it, but I don't see why it was taken in the first place. If I wanted GW to build my characters for me I'd play Special Characters. Which used to require your opponent's permission but since this is now Herohammer it doesn't matter anymore. We should go back to permission required and encourage custom, build-your-own heroes. For everything.

>> No.73902895

>>73901607
Warhammer: Age of My Little Pony

>> No.73902922

>>73902869
>It's amazing, you build a hero from the race up and can even use them in matched play, tournaments can allow them too if they want.
Fuck damn. I see why 40k guys are angry they don't have this. It sounds amazing.

>> No.73902933

>>73902089
But is that AoSmunda going to be balanced?

>> No.73902958

>>73901948
Sorry but I do play for the AoS lore. It's unapologetically high fantasy and extremely open ended, it's good.

>> No.73902991

>>73902745
For real it's OK for flavour but it has restricted options and everything ends up being super expensive unless you optimize. It's not something to be that envious of.

>>73902605
This is more or less true. Some factions do get the short end of the stick on their rules but there is seriously nothing in 40k that plays like Idoneth Deepkin, Ossiarch Bonereapers, Overlords etc. If you're sick of getting shat on as Orks in 40k and being stuck with niche builds try playing Ironjawz or Big Waaagh and enjoy actually feeling like your army is an Ork horde.

>> No.73903047
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73903047

>>73901904
How about a classic

>> No.73903059

>>73902991
To be honest as an ork player, I am happy with state of them in 40k right now, with all the marine wank going on I can run simple dread mobs here and there and murder the shit out of the marines.

>> No.73903146

40k is basically 2 games at this point: the primaris ruleset and the ruleset for everyone else.

>> No.73903192
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73903192

>Literal /mlp/ faggotry
Recasts till the day I die

>> No.73904500

>>73902958
>open-ended
>good

>> No.73904535

>>73901948
I actually really like the lore. GW has ceased their SCE faggotry and has started to explore all the other parts of the setting.
The various death factions have been in the limelight for a long while now, and they are doing impactful shit that is fun to read about.

>> No.73904749

>>73902922
>can even use them in matched play
almost all known tournaments banned it already

>> No.73904774

>>73904535
lore is nice, models are not and the sprues are horrible

>> No.73904819

>>73904774
There are a ton of underworlds warbands I straight up hate, I don't like any fyreslayer troops outside of the magmadroth-kit, but I do really really like a lot of the models.

>> No.73905335

>>73901607
I am not going to lie.
I play 40k only because it's the only system I can get a game in. I usually haunt Necromunda and Blood Bowl though I've not got a gang or team made yet.

I don't play AoS for no other reason than that I'm still salty about muh square bases. I could suck it up and play it, or I could just play 40k and forget about AoS. Fuck it, I will not be missed.

>> No.73905659

>>73904749
WAACniggers need not apply

>> No.73905712

>>73904774
>models are not

>> No.73905739

>>73901736
>>73901723
Sigmarxism tranny redditors

>> No.73905754

>>73905739
They're not you anon.

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>>73901607
>Old fantasy

About that...

>> No.73906190

>>73902063
>>73902236
Would someone be able to spoonfeed? Reverese search on different sites got nothing, searching for tomboy harem manga or tomboy shonen manga got me nothing.

>> No.73906220

Having a fairly balanced and well designed ruleset that functions.

>> No.73906231

I personally despise the lore of AOS but most of the models look fine imo. That color scheme would be retarded if it was canon but I'd be fine seeing that in some random dudes army as his own dudes

>> No.73906296

>>73902605
>fluffy rules for every faction
>fluff is kept in the background

>> No.73906395

>>73905739
You will not be missed

>> No.73906547

AoS is half good and half bad but the problem is that the good parts are rarely great while the bad parts are really fucking terrible. If AoS was a class then about half the class would be getting slightly above average grades with a few A's while the other half of the class is getting 0's.

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>>73901607
>rainbow elves
>new
Fucking underage nigger.

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>>73905941
>daapi horse
excellent

>> No.73907865

This is one of the few good looking aos models though.

Aos has dogshit lore, art, rules, community, and most of it's models are bad too and yet you post one of the only good sculpts.

>> No.73907949

>>7390208
Aos is not in it's infancy, 5 years into it's lifespan fantasy was largely already figured out, as was 40k ESEPCIALLY if you count 3ed edition as the start of fantasy like you should.

Aos isn't "in it's infancy" it's intentionally open ended and vauge. 5 years is plenty of time to worldbuild, but they don't want to, they want to leave infinite blank space forever so they can make whatever models they want.

>> No.73908251

>>73902089
Isn't there already a canonical Necromunda/Mordheim style "warband game" aspect to Age of Sigmar? To the point literally every 2e army book contains rules on how to play the warband version of this army?

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>>73906190
Anon, you just replied to a post that said
>/40kg/ likes to bully everyone who doesn't know the source of that pic.
This may not be /40kg/ but anons can still bully you.

>> No.73908474

>>73901996
There are PLENTY of WAACfags in AoS

>> No.73908548

>>73908251
You mean Warcry?
Yeah, that's an AoS skirmish game like Necromunda/Mordheim though without a lot of the depth the old skirmish games had, and a lot of the way you play is written to be "interesting" and "creative" rather than balanced.
Like the campaign rules force you to play specific missions at set points. The missions range from "okay, sure, I guess?" to "how am I even supposed to ever win/lose this?".

And even without the campaign rules, playing a random mission can end up with something completely retarded because you randomize terrain, deployment, and objective by flipping a card for each.
So you might have someone deploying 1/3 of their warband, with reinforcements slowly trickling in vs the entire opposing warband on the board from turn 1. And to win they have to do something like capturing and holding objectives every turn.
At that point you just shake hands and try again after flipping the cards instead of even caring to try.

>> No.73908586

>>73901607
You can’t be serious. You aren’t that stupid.

>> No.73908646

>>73904500
Yes, that is one of the most important parts of a setting for a game like this. Being stuck with 10 options for your army or you're all out of lore was stupid.

>> No.73908691

>>73907865
Always do the opposite of what tg says

>> No.73908900

>>73902933
Balance is for tourneyfags.

>>73908251
Are you thinking of Path To Glory? It's not the old Chaos one (I still have the booklet for that, actually!) where you have a warband. This is literally either BUY THE UNIT YOU ROLL or USE THE UNIT YOU ROLL IN YOUR ARMY. It has absolutely no depth. If you're talking about Warcry then it's a big disappointment.

>> No.73909033

>>73908900
>Balance is for tourneyfags

Imbalance is for tourneyfags. If the game was balanced at list-building, you could stand a good chance against the tourneyfag using a list that's just stuff you like. As it stands, you'd have to do a bunch of optimization homework to stand a chance, which you have to be a tourneyfag to enjoy.

>> No.73909061

>>73901607
Objectively good job on the painting, but a tonally-dissonant reference to a shitty show done with a shitty model from a shitty franchise. Into the trash it should go.

>> No.73909080

>>73909061
>Tonally dissonant
>The light elf from the light realm wears white armor with gold trim, and rainbow heraldry, riding a contrastingly blue horse

>> No.73909085

whats with the obsession with faggots puttng rainbow unicorns in everything.
Its not funny and is just flipping the burd to customers.

>> No.73909131

>>73909080
Yes, the grimdark tone of Warhammer is dissonant from the happy, utopian slice of life tone of MLP.

>> No.73909162

>>73909131
what are your thoughts on this? >>73907713

>> No.73909201

>>73909162
you have colour blindness. What rainbow?

>> No.73909262

>>73909162
Yes, the grimdark tone of Warhammer settings is dissonant from the happy, utopian slice of life tone of the MLP setting.

>> No.73909265

>>73909201
>It's not a literal rainbow therefore, despite being excessively colorful in a grimdark setting, it does not count and I don't have to refute the argument

>> No.73909305
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>>73909262
>The grimdark tone of warhammer is dissonant from bight colors

>> No.73909342

>>73909265
>some colour
>same as a rainbow
Kys you fucking disgusting idiot.

>> No.73909483

>>73909342
Are you perchance severely autistic?

>> No.73909495

>>73909262
That's not what I asked.
>>73909201
So it's fine to have all of the same colors, but if they're next to each other in the wrong order that's when it becomes an issue? Why?

>> No.73909499

>>73909033
Things are imbalanced. This is not a game to "win," it's to tell a story.

>> No.73909504

>>73909342
Still not refuting the argument, I see. I'll spell it out, just for you:
Colorful shit has been around in Warhammer since forever, so how come one more random instance of colorful shit is so much more intolerable than the already existing colorful shit, that has even been established as actual fucking canon?

>> No.73909523

I have no idea where to ask this, but I was doing some experimenting with bases, and ended up with about 150 mdf bases of various size, mostly 28, some 32. Long story short what I was doing didn't work, so now I've got a bunch of mdf bases I don't want. You guys have any clever ideas for them or should I just toss em? I originally got them for my nighthaunt, so that's what I'm asking in this thread.

>> No.73909536

Who's got the pony necrons

>> No.73909537

>>73909499
Stories that go "Because one army was completely outmatched, it got wiped off the table before it had a chance to retaliate" generally aren't worth telling on the level of detail that 40k goes into.

>> No.73909610

>>73909537
It isn't about armies, though. It's about characters.

>> No.73909723

>>73909483
are you perchance mentally ill?

>> No.73909794

>>73909504
rainbows have been made gay

>> No.73909941

>>73909262
>>73909342
Please tell me how many minis you own. I came to this thread to bully >>73906190 but it looks like you too need a stern bullying.

>> No.73909963

>>73902089
>AoS is in its infancy
>five
Yeah no, it's far from being a new boy on the block. It's just shit and all the attempts to cash on it like Gorechosen, Skirmish, PtG, the card game, and Warcry are either dead or dying. Underworlds only lives because it's constantly shilled.

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>>73909536
No ponycrons, but I do have some flowercrons.

>> No.73910021
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Oh, and butterflies, too.

>> No.73910076

Taking a second look at this thread, just about everyone here from OP to the shitters who don’t know Warhammer had colours need bullying. I thought I only needed to bully the sauce guy. What’s with all of you and desperately seeking my bullying?

>> No.73910105

>itt mentally ill leftypol fags try to push that warhammer has always been gaybow unicorns

>> No.73910134

>>73910105
>itt mentally ill leftypol fags
I see anon is both falseflagging like he's from /pol/ and he's a newfag who's too scared to reply to anyone. Consider Bretonnia.

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73910158

>>73909061
>>73909131
>>73909262
>>73909342
>>73909723
>>73910105

>> No.73910260

>>73909794
So you're actually just scared of colors appearing in a specific order because it's become associated with a certain sexual inclination, all of which has nothing at all to do with the game or the minis.
Good to know.

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>>73906190
>>73910158
>they don't know

>> No.73910281

>>73910105
so you are just mad that the colors are in a specific order, rather than anything to do with the actual setting?

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>>73906190
>>73910105
>he doesn't know

>> No.73910518

>>73908548
GW had the main guy behind Warcry on their official AoS podcast awhile ago to talk about the game. IIRC at one point he talked about how the standard mission generation was designed with the goal of making interesting, memorable moments (implicitly at the cost of more carefully balanced missions); the randomness over balance thing is absolutely, 100% intentional. They did include scenarios tailored for balanced gameplay in the core book and ToC at least.
and in spite of all this I've still had plenty of casual fun with the game desu

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73910602

pretty good thread tbqhwu

>> No.73910762

>>73910518
Yeah, it's like Hearthstone.
>We designed it to be "fun" and "exciting", so who cares if a coinflip can unbalance an entire match? It's "memorable"!

Obviously it's possible to have fun anyway (I have had fun games with it too) but you will randomly get fucked in the ass because of the design choices, and that can sour the entire experience even if you have other games that day that were okay.
An undeserved loss/unearned win is more memorable than the "okay" ones, but it's usually not the kind of memory you want.

>> No.73910806

>>73901607
That is a really nice blue on the horse though.
Remove the rainbow mane, and I would love to paint some fantastic horses that colour.

>> No.73910934

Aos is bad and so is this thread.

Everyone who bumped this thread should be ashamed of yourselves.

>> No.73911268

>>73902872
Unfortunately it's just to sell more models. Look at all the chaos marine HQ choices that could easily be combined and just have characterful rules as an upgrade.

Even the sculpteurs prefer sculpting detailed monopose miniatures. There's just no incentive for GW to release customizable heroes and giving them generic yet customizable rules

>> No.73911289

>>73907713
>Rainbow
Its literally just primary colours.

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>>73910934
Everyone in this thread is more ashamed of you than anyone else.

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>>73908412
I don't care about being bullied, I want that sauce.

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>>73901607
This looks exactly like Oldhammer, with garish colours all over the place.
If anyone's going to ride under a rainbow banner it's elves.

>> No.73912180

>>73902640
>what is 3D printing

>> No.73912197

>>73910105
>can't help thinking of sodomy when he sees a rainbow
mentally ill yourself

>> No.73912238

>>73904749
>matched play is only tourneys.
You need to grow some braincells.

>> No.73912338

This is a dogshit thread, but serious question, why is AoS so popular with left wing people?

>> No.73912392

>>73912338
That's a loaded question, shitlord. AoShit has nothing to do with left-wing politics, it's a soulless cashgrab.

>> No.73912441

>>73912338
It's just as popular with left wing people as 40k is, in a lot of places in the west, 40k is game of people who aren't from the right, and that is even true for people in places like russia where they play it because it shows just how shit russia is.

>> No.73912450

>>73912338
I don't think it is really, pretty much the same distribution as other GW games but with less videogame/youtube secondaries floating around. Why do you say it is?

>> No.73912503

>>73912450
Mostly real life. There are two separate stores where I live.
The sigmar store is very political 20-30 year old white people, the owner explicitly told me it's a store "for intellectuals" when trying to get me to play there.
While the 40k store is 25-60 year olds of every race and has very conservative energy.

Not to mention r/sigmarxism, and the fact that opinion on AoS seems to be divided down party lines when it comes to internet personalities.

>> No.73912513

>>73901607
I agree, a thread died for your sissy fit.

RIP -4STR thread.

>> No.73912519

>>73901607
>So please tell me how the hell is Age of Sigmar better than [...] old fantasy?
Better models, better rules, better factions, better setting.
>b-b-b-but SHAERK AELVES!!
Much better than elf-worshipping horsefuckers.

>> No.73912535

>>73912338
It's not, left wing people are just more eager to push their beliefs.

>> No.73912549

>>73912503
sigmarxism is just some tiny subreddit dedicated to seething about GW shit in general, it's not AoS exclusive. I have zero idea why it gets as much attention here as it does.
I have no idea how to comment on the part about your town either, because having a separate AoS and 40k store is just completely fucking retarded and makes no sense in the first place. Maybe there's something up with the water or something.

>> No.73912559

>>73902958
Likewise. It's one of the few 80s metal tier fantasy wargames around.

>> No.73912572

>>73912503
Ah. You are the sigmarxism poster. Gotcha, your opinion is discarded.

>> No.73912574

>>73912549
The Sigmar store lost all it's 40k players by not offering any sort of discount, but the sigmar players stayed for some reason, and we ended up having 2 40k stores and 1 AoS store.

>> No.73912589

>>73912574
I am sure it did anon. I am sure it did.

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AoS white knights and AoS trolls are the dumbest fucks on /tg/, all of you go hang yourselves.

>> No.73912594

>>73912574
Right, but having a dedicated 40k store doesn't make any sense either, there's zero reason for them to not just stock both alongside whatever other shit is popular in your area. If they can offer a discount they'd just force the other store out completely.

>> No.73912611

>>73912594
They both stock both, I'm just talking about the people who play there.

>> No.73912615

>>73912594
It is not just that it makes no sense. It is impossible due to how GW does the supplying. They literally force you to take both games and make you keep a minimum stocking of both.

>> No.73912618

>>73901948
I doubt that because it's easily the ugliest miniature game on the market except maybe Malifaux.

>> No.73912620

The thing about the le rainbow pony joke is its one of those things that was funny maybe once.
Now its just not funny and is being put in everything to annoy people.

>> No.73912637

>>73912338
i think its an element of yas we killed wfb. Wfb being largely European history based.
While AoS is like cal arts thundercats shit.
Samething is slowly happening to 40k.

>> No.73912643

>>73912549
They're seething because babynazis always do.

>> No.73912651

>>73912611
So why would you be surprised when different stores have different atmospheres, or assume that's because of the games? This just sounds like a larp to me, considering you've gone from "sigmar and 40k stores" to just stores that you apparently know sell more of one than the other somehow.
>>73912615
I actually didn't know that, makes sense though.

>> No.73912653

>>73912611

In which case, there's too many possible variables to reasonably conclude why one store favours AoS and another 40k.

Maybe the 40k store has some really well made boards and terrain, or has traditionally run organised tournaments which were well received?
Maybe enough of the AoS players happen to live nearer one store, so that playerbase congregate at that store?
Perhaps there is an agreement between the shop owners to focus on one segment of the 'market' so that they don't step on each other's toes?
I could go on, but you get the idea.

>> No.73912708

>>73912653
The store owner explicitly told me why the 40k players left. (the discount) She also went on at length about how much she didn't like them.

>> No.73912712

>>73912637
>I think
was the first lie.

>> No.73912747

>>73912637

Where are you getting that idea from? No-one was celebrating WHFB being destroyed.
My impression is that WHFB got replaced because GW were struggling with the fact that a good chunk of the factions were fairly generic, which lead to lots of competitor miniatures floating around. You had generic Dwarfs, generic Elves (now in three flavours: Tree, Evil, and Stick-Up-Arse), generic Orcs & Goblins, spooky spooky Skeletons (with a Vampire! woooo), I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-The-Holy-Roman-Empire and I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Feudal-France. Large parts of the Chaos mortals range could easily be replaced with generic Northern Barbarians and Beastmen replaced with...generic beastmen (the concept is as old as literature).

This leaves the Skaven, Chaos Demons, Lizardmen, Ogres and Tomb Kings, all of whom also were starting to see competitor minis starting to bubble up in one form or another. Add in several editions which bloated the game (both in rules and model count) and wiping the slate clean and building from the ground up starts to make a perverse sense.

>> No.73912757

>>73909131
>sigmar
>grimdark

>> No.73912775

>>73912503
Completely different for me, AoS players are mostly old guys, even some biker guys. 40k players don't exist in my scene anymore it's either kill team or AoS

>> No.73912798

>>73912747
I've been reading this shit from people like you for years but firstly
There was no indication prior to the announcement that WFB was struggling in any way. I mean at the same time WFB games were being announced for pc.
About generic, again no clue what you are saying there was no other alternative to WFB and there still isn't. You don't sound like a fan.
Finally that is blatantly bullshit fags on here have been celebrating it since the announcement.
There does genuinely seem to be a group of people that hated WFB for being European and male centric.

>> No.73912811

>>73912708
>she.

Yeah. Here I found out you are lying out of your ass.

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>>73912811
I don't know why you're being so autistically incredulous about this, it's not as if I'm making any strange claims.

>> No.73912854

>>73912747
WFB sold like shit. You can argue if it was just mismanagement (partially for sure) or people's interests moving combined with that and highly WAAC community, but the fact remains, it sold poorly.

>> No.73912877

>>73912798
You're projecting so hard you hexed the moon

>> No.73912885

Why are people still so bitter about AoS being objectively better in every way to all GW products, past and present?

>> No.73912898

>>73912885
Why can't you even put a scrap of effort into your bait posts anon.

>> No.73912923

>>73912798
Fantasy being outsold by basically dead games is a pretty good indication that it wasn't doing well. The rest of what you're saying is just delusional.

>> No.73912947

>>73912798

You make this claim again about a group of people hating WFB for being European and male centric; who are these people, and where is your evidence?

As for the other points; for years, whenever someone grumbled about WHFB becoming too expensive to collect or the new minis not being good, someone would offer up one of the alternatives. Perry Miniatures were popular substitutes for Brettonians (their 100 year war kits in particular) and Mantic were churning out their own square-based rank&flank designed minis which could be used in multiple armies.

As for whether or not WHFB was doing 'well' financially, anecdotal evidence suggests it was still widely played, but sales were not keeping pace with 40k, which led to the decisions that were made.

>> No.73912966

>>73912338
It's the opposite, fantasoi was very obviously the lefty shit game
>european faction are all evil and corrupt
>elves become super cool degenerates that get more updated models
>shitskins are gods chosen people who are unkillable dinosaurs
>western europe are all deluded retards who believe in a fake god
As opposed to masculine AoS
>main faction are nordic/roman inspired, all are devout and good people
>no cultural "satire" (lefty demorilization tactic" of european nations
>gods are real, strong religious tones (masculine)

>> No.73912977

>>73912947
There definately was an outside group raiding this board shortly after AoS that had a strong hatred for WFB being male centric.
Using third party rpg examples pushing this stupid idea that WFB was equally men and women.

>> No.73912988

>>73912977
It was mostly because lorefag secondary e-celebs had an autistic meltdown that their favorite wiki pages wouldn't be updated anymore. Luckily that video game distracted their ADHD /v/ riddled brains, so now the crossposting shitposters are just the dedicated autists who are easy to spot

>> No.73913074

>>73912977
falseflagging retard

>> No.73913294

>>73913074
??? why are you so angry all the time little guy?

>> No.73913325

>>73901607
Peak performance would have been painting the guy's face solid green.

>> No.73913425

>>73909262
Ulthuan is basically just Equestria. Benevolent monarch embodying the Sun God, the monarch's champion is the brother to the greatest mortal magic user, they have magical horses who might as well talk if you live in Ellyrion, their inhabitants live in pretty cities and dedicate themselves to what they're best at, enhancing their natural abilities with time and practice and outside of the civilised areas you have monsters running free and attacking the unwary.

>> No.73913570

>>73912977
Many places it was.

Elves for example.

>> No.73913590

>>73912977
>Using third party rpg examples pushing this stupid idea that WFB was equally men and women.

Wait, is this about those threads talking about if elves have a mixed gender army?

>> No.73914206

>>73912168
>t. dumb zoomer

>> No.73914373

>>73901607

>So please tell me how the hell is Age of Sigmar better than 40k or old fantasy?

ok

>AoS
>40k
available to buy and play in GW

>old fantasy

isnt available to buy and play in GW

>> No.73914386

>>73912966
Explain r/sigmarxism

>> No.73914478

>>73914386
what is there to explain? it's a retarded leftist sub for 40k and AoS.

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>>73901607
Could be worse.

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>>73914553

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>>73914571

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>>73914583

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>>73901607

Made me think of this.

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>>73902257
How new are you?

>> No.73914874

>>73905712
What the fuck is there in AOS for a fan of Fantasy besides Chaos and Elves? Everything interesting in Warhammer Fantasy is now fucking dead, and all that's in its place is poorly defined shit like the cities which have zero identity or lore themselves or decent looking armies. It's more 40k than 40k in many respects with monopose cancer and lack of customization. Chaos and SCE is basically just the new marine cancer, and it consumes AOS all the same.

>> No.73914891

>>73908646
AOS is too open ended. Being so open ended there is literally nothing to some factions is lazy shit and I'd expect leagues superior quality for the prices GW is charging when fantasy was both cheaper and more detailed. The Cities of Sigmar are the best example of this, and a fucking embarrassment. How the fuck do you release an entire army book about a set of factions, and include virtually nothing to actually define them beyond "lmao this city has elves" and "lmao this city has dwarves".

>> No.73914939

>>73913590
No there were threads by obvious feminist lgbt raiders from redit trying to say factions like the Empire and most of the factions fielded equal numbers of women.
Sure there are exceptions and a few examples but its blatantly untrue for most of WFB.

>> No.73914954

>>73902605
>AoS > 40k
>>better rules
double turn, lol
>>better models (enjoy another 50 space marine kits lel)
(enjoy another 50 stormcast kits lel)
That and new factions get a dump of like 5 kits for the entire range then forgotten about.
>>entirely custom hero creator, more customization than 40k
and everything
Except everything out of the creator is milquetoast as fuck
>>homebrew and kitbashing heavily encouraged
not anymore than in 40k
>>fun, fluffy rules for every faction
Yes, the fun fluffy shit like endless spells all just being another way to deal D3 mortal wounds
>>fluff is kept in the background where it belongs, no annoying lorefags
">>fun, fluffy rules for every faction"
kek


It's bait, but I'm bored

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>>73914553
>>73914571
>>73914583
>>73914597
*urge to choke a bitch intensifies*

>> No.73914964

>>73914954
>(enjoy another 50 stormcast kits lel)
Stormcast haven't had a release for like 2 years bro.

>> No.73914975

>>73914954
Man as a 40k player if you think AOS is worse you're fucking delusional. As a setting it's dogshit (but so is 40k really), but when it comes to rules I really wish I could force myself to like AOS, as I might actually enjoy non /his/ wargaming. 40k is fucking trash and has been trash really since 2e in terms of fun rules, and in terms of balance has really never been balanced. Only good thing about 40k is Kill Team.

Also there's been more Primaris kits in like, 6 months than there has been SCE in two years.

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>>73901607
>So please tell me how the hell is Age of Sigmar better than 40k or old fantasy?
It's more inclusive

>> No.73914992

>>73914978
God forbid stormcast have non-standard haircuts. What's next, dreadlocks? Neckbeards?

>> No.73914994

>>73914954
>Yes, the fun fluffy shit like endless spells all just being another way to deal D3 mortal wounds
Or you know, Soulscream Bridge, Soulsnake Shackles, Chronomantic Cogs but fuck that right? AoS is WAY more inventive with special rules than 40k is man. 40k gets adventurous with like out of phase moving or shooting. Age of Sigmar has your flying ship disengage from an enemy fight to fly high while a bunch of your troops hitch a ride on it and drop off halfway across the battlefield.

>> No.73914997

>>73914978
Just the fact they are trying to sell this shit to confused little girls instead of neckbeard adults is funny.
Really won't be missed heh

>> No.73915000

I get people whose whole life was Warhammer Fantasy being bitter, but I don't understand 40kfags need to assert their clearly inferior game is better.

>> No.73915007

>>73914964
>Stormcast haven't had a release for like 2 years bro.
Sp does all other AoS armies (Kharadon Overlords, DoK, Sylvaneths, Fireslayers, Ironjaws)

>> No.73915008

>>73915000
because wfb got killed 40ks fate is to be slowly desecrated.

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>>73914992
>What's next, dreadlocks?
Diversity

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>>73915000
Trips speak the truth, and as a 40kfag I don't either. The only reason I even still bother with 40k, fuck I don't even know. There's trace elements of old lore that is still somewhat enjoyable? The wargame is utter shit though and the rules sure don't keep me playing, what with invincible Iron Hands in suspiciously blue paintjobs being the trend just back in late 2019. A bunch of monkeys with typewriters could accomplish more for balance than whatever idiot is in charge of the 40k rules. Plus GW themselves give no shits about balance.

>> No.73915030

>>73914994
>40k gets adventurous with like out of phase moving or shooting. Age of Sigmar has your flying ship disengage from an enemy fight to fly high while a bunch of your troops hitch a ride on it and drop off halfway across the battlefield
And..? AoS gameplay is still "Roll more 4+ than your enemy"

>> No.73915035

>>73901948
>He needs vidya to enjoy tabletop
Found the TW secondary lmao

>> No.73915045

>>73915030
That is just literally functionally untrue so it's whatever, like I think the term is "not even wrong"? I can't refute that because it bears no resemblance to how you actually play and win games of AoS. If you want to say that, fine, but you should actually play or at least try to understand the game before you criticize its mechanics.

>> No.73915046

>>73915008
40k has been desecrated for a fucking decade, or have you not been paying attention to worsening metas with 7e/8e being the worst editions in the game's history? Or trash lore that resurrects a fucking Primarch as a cashgrab that results in all lore just revolving around one dude instead of the old patchwork galaxy full of possibilities? There's nothing left to desecrate, GW gives a shit about nothing, contradicts the marine lore constantly with primaris each new tidbit, and to add insult to injury is trying to cram Primaris bullshit into the Deathwing.

>> No.73915049

>>73915027
OBR were basically the Iron Hands style super resilient army in AoS. They aren't nearly as obnoxious and are very much beatable.

>> No.73915050

>>73915045
Cope harder tranny

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Grog here if you are not playing at least WFB, 3rd edition 40k at the latest or one of the specialist games before axing, you cannot be my friend, seat is taken, get out of my sight peasant.

>> No.73915054

>>73912180
The Wild West age of the internet is dying bro.

>> No.73915056

>>73902236
>or can find it easily
Everything 4chanx lets you do leads to dead ends, and reverse image searches yield nothing.

>> No.73915060

>>73915050
I'm a straight white dude anon, sorry to disappoint.

>> No.73915065

>>73915046
I pretty much dumped 40k before i think 5th? Whenever the point people started screaming about Matt Ward. Even though I didn't realise it at the time.

>> No.73915066

>>73915060
>I'm a straight white dude anon
>2k20
>lying in the internet

>> No.73915073

>>73915065
I didn't play 40k much beyond 3rd, just didn't really enjoy it in any edition more than WHFB or AoS.

>> No.73915078

>>73915073
Not enough PoC?

>> No.73915087

>>73914874
Fantasy =! Tolkien fantasy.
>What the fuck is there in AOS for a fan of Fantasy besides Chaos and Elves?
Everything.

>> No.73915091

>>73915065
Trust me, you're not missing much. I'm a Dark Angel player and it feels like I keep getting handed a shit sandwich. Even 7e wasn't that nice because while Ravenwing got buffed to hell, Deathwing was utterly shit on, again. 9e might be promising possibly for Deathwing not being unplayable dogshit, but I just expect GW to try to start cramming PA units into Deathwing to push more primaris sales instead of actually buffing terminators at all in the future. Or just having fun mechanics really, 8e plays like pulling teeth with how long it takes to roll attacks. A single unit of Orks or Khonre Berzerkers can now pump out literal 70 dice attack phases.

>> No.73915094

>>73915087
>Everything.
Such as..?

>> No.73915095

>>73915035
Newfag here.
What is a secondary?

>> No.73915099

>>73915054
Nothing wrong or illegal in stl. distribution, mon ami.

>> No.73915106

>>73915087
Really? Because I happen to notice a stark lack of Imperials, Bretonnians, or older forces like Dogs of War and what-have-you. It's all high fantasy garbage with all that remains being the corpse of old armies that doesn't even aesthetically fit together.

>> No.73915107

>>73915073
I always had this idea i'd come back and pick the hobby up but honestly GW is not giving me any reason to. Overpriced and they are watering down their once solid ip. I will just stick with the old stuff.

>> No.73915108

>>73915095
Newfag term for people that are even newer than them.

>> No.73915140

>>73914386
A pun. They mostly seeths about Grimdank being edgy from time to time

>> No.73915146

>>73915094
Lizardmen, humans fighting ancient horrors and each other, dwarfs of various flavours, from classic to ones who decided to advance their knowledge, undead again of many flavours, orcs, giants and you know, the classic of trolls

>> No.73915165

>>73915106
Ehh anon, they literary said - here is a battle tome for all the cities of mortals who aren't chaos, use the rules, convert models in a way you like em.
So shut your mouth, the brettonnian's spiritual decendants are even the poster boys for one edition, and everyone hates them, like they hated them in WHFB

>> No.73915225

>>73915165
>here is a battle tome for all the cities of mortals who aren't chaos, use the rules, convert models in a way you like em.
Utterly fucking worthless gesture, what matters is lore and world building to actually create investment. It's the companies job to write shit, I'm not paying out the ass for a book that tells me how to make my own stuff up, Especially when said books are too lazy and too incompetent to even divulge on the basic government of said cities. We actually knew who the Dukes of Bretonnia were and the Elector-Counts of the Empire. The cities of Sigmar however? Who the fuck knows, GW sure doesn't give a damn.

Also the Ghoul shit is a slap in the face and in no way a "spiritual successor' A spiritual successor would have literally more or less the same aesthetic with similar culture behind their action. The Ghouls are literally just a Vampire Count army remarketed to idiots based on memes so GW can rake in even more money from mindless consumers with behavior similar to said Vampire Counts army.

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>>73914954
>double turn, lol
The only people who think this is a problem are secondaries.
>(enjoy another 50 stormcast kits lel)
No releases in the last two years
>That and new factions get a dump of like 5 kits for the entire range then forgotten about.
The second wave was full of terrain pieces, endless spells and new heroes.
>Except everything out of the creator is milquetoast as fuck
Not really, no? It's not optimized at all, but it's a great tool to play with.
>not anymore than in 40k
For most factions in AoS it absolutely is in comparison. Most of 40k is much more puritan.
>Yes, the fun fluffy shit like endless spells all just being another way to deal D3 mortal wounds
Confirmed for not knowing what the fuck you are talking about, as if that wasn't already clear.

Also yes, I know I'm taking the bait here.

>> No.73915242

>>73915225
>GW had the most perfect non-gay depiction of Vampires
>nukes it
This and all the other stuff they nuked is just insanity.

>> No.73915256

>>73915035
That's not even what the post said, dumbass

>> No.73915257

>>73915099
You don’t think as 3D printers become more and more a common a thing that large corporations won’t lobby to get laws changed, and servers that host stuff won’t get pressured to change their policies?

>> No.73915258

>>73915227
>double turn
>not a problem
Maybe if you're toddler or drunk. Or drunk toddler, the prime GW customer.

>> No.73915267

>>73915257
lmao like they illegalized 2D printers? Regular tools? Nothing they can do, dumdum.

>> No.73915270

>>73915227
>>double turn, lol
>The only people who think this is a problem are secondaries.
I play AoS, Clan Skryre specifically.

My list is very heavy on shooting, getting the double turn is absolutely backbreaking for the opponent. I honestly can't remember any time I've lost when I've gotten the T1>T2 double turn.

>secondaries
quit trying to force that idiotic slang

>> No.73915285

>>73915054
Dude, the wild west age of the internet died 10 years ago when social media because the only reason the bulk of people use the internet.

>> No.73915297

>>73915225
Anon ghouls are just strigoy vampires as an army, for all other vampires you just use general death alliance and make what you want there.

>> No.73915299

>>73915106
If you want to make a strict distinction between tolkien fantasy and ""high fantasy"" then you have a much better argument. But AoS still has FEC, Warclans, GSG, DoK, etc etc.
If you want to make the argument that there aren't enough humans in the setting outside of chaos I'd agree with you that I'm sad there isn't more of them. This is explained in the lore, but it's still something I miss personally.
But saying there's nothing in AoS for fantasy fans is just dishonest and untrue.

>> No.73915310

>>73901607
Disregarding the connection to faggots and trannies, rainbows are pretty cool. Also, miniature wargaming is for goobers and consoomers, if you truly cared about wargaming you wouldn't be playing warhammer.

>> No.73915358

>>73915310
To be honest you have be particually sad level of pathetic to be scared of rainbow because of gays, mostly cause as more time goes on more harmless compared to their opposition they become.

>> No.73915363

>>73915078
I'm just not really into super gunlines in-game and that's been present in a lot of 40k metas.

>> No.73915368

>>73915270
I play KO and I can still lose against good opponents and the right armies even if I get a double turn.
I reckon my army has a bit of a harder time capturing objectives than Skaven though.

>> No.73915391

>>73915299
It's not dishonest at all. AOS has fuckall to do with Fantasy ultimately and that's not a good thing because it means there is no continuity between the two settings, and every attempt to try to connect them merely comes across as an insult. The AOS-ified Fantasy factions act and behave nothing like their old selves, the only thing they have in common is the same legacy models or a vaguely similar design ethos - but it's always corrupted by GW's childish obsession with memetic twists. The only faction that actually feels right in regards to its old army is the Kharadron Overlords, and that's got more to do with that they're the only faction that gets actual respect from the authors.

>> No.73915426

>>73915391
So far I had a lot of fun with AoS seeing connections on how new iterations of factions make connections with the old setting, but to my understanding a lot of people complaining about lack of connection only played last one or two editions of fantasy and thus older lore was lot on them.

>> No.73915457

>>73914891
That's really not true though, there's plenty of shit describing the cities, even the minor ones get a few pages describing them, while the big ones are closer to 5 or so pages per city, on top of the generic shit about what the cities are usually like overall. It's not a huge amount, but you've never gotten a huge amount for each subfaction or really a hell of a lot of an idea what normal life is like outside RPGs, which we've only gotten one or two releases of so far.
I'd like more info on that stuff too, but I'm happy to wait a bit, it's not really that relevant if i wanted to make my own army anyway.

>>73914954
Acting like stormcast spam is an issue just completely invalidates all your points. You don't play.

>> No.73915467
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>>73901783
When there's multiple literally just AoS armies paraded around by GW as legitimate 40k armies then you know 40k has nothing.

>> No.73915477

>>73915368
To be fair, KO are trash.

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>>73915467

>> No.73915506

>>73915391
When you're writing "Fantasy" here I'm assuming you mean WHFB's setting and not the genre as I've been assuming so far. And if that was the case from the beginning when we haven't been on the same page at all.
AoS and WHFB are connected, but ultimately AoS is a new completely different setting.
If your argument is "There is nothing for WHFB fans in AoS" then that is too subjective for me to bother arguing about. I don't think that is the case, but AoS definitely doesn't have the same feel, themes or atmosphere to it as WHFB had. If that's what you liked about WHFB then you won't find it in the same flavor in AoS.

>> No.73915522

>>73915146
>humans fighting ancient horrors and each other, dwarfs of various flavours
No sorry mate, I am not into WoW

>> No.73915526

>>73912125
Fuuka, special hentai edition by Seo Kouji. She dies.

>> No.73915532

>>73915477
>>73915368

KO are pretty good damage and mobility wise, simply they arent an army for brainlets

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>>73915426
The problem isn't one of lack of connection, but straddling the middle ground. AOS doesn't want to be Fantasy but doesn't want to be its own thing, so it occupies a central ground where it draws from both and pisses both off. It'd be much better if GW made up their fucking minds and focused on making AOS totally original and ceased their constant resurrection of Fantasy characters, or went to the hilt with resurrecting Fantasy elements.

>>73915457
>but I'm happy to wait a bit, it's not really that relevant if i wanted to make my own army anyway.
The whole point is that you shouldn't be required to write shitloads of lore that is basic underpinnings of say, how a faction works, which should be done in the first place by said company. If you have to write 99% of your army's lore, you're better off going for the whole 100% of doing your own damn setting instead of being beholden to a corporation. That's the damn problem in the first place, the corporation needs to CONVINCE to buy the product, otherwise I might as well do shit by myself and not waste a penny on GW's nonsense.

>> No.73915537

>>73915477
Not anymore we're not! currently at a 47% win rate after the new book, but we just received some innsane points drops in the GHB. I assume our win rate is going to be pretty healthy going forward.
We absolutely were trash until we got our book though.

>> No.73915538

>>73915522
Yeah you're right there's literally no link between WoW and Warhammer. Blizzard created a very unique setting with very unique factions, this is true for starcraft as well.

>> No.73915555

>>73915526
>believing that WoW its the only fantasy setting where there are humans and various type of dwarfs fighting each other

fuck off already zoomie

>> No.73915557

>>73915538
>Yeah you're right there's literally no link between WoW and Warhammer.
Well, Kel'Thuzad was designed long before current nagash mini, and Alliance was introduced long before Grand Alliance Order, call me when AoS got some factions besides Chaos and SCE

>> No.73915562

>>73915555
it was meant for >>73915522

>> No.73915571

>>73915535
>If you have to write 99% of your army's lore

>Help I can't read Battletomes
>I'll just assume the fluff section is empty

How is the short bus these days?

>> No.73915582

>>73915562
AoS humans aren't fighting each other, they aren't even a faction in setting.

>> No.73915588

>>73915535
>The whole point is that you shouldn't be required to write shitloads of lore that is basic underpinnings of say, how a faction works, which should be done in the first place by said company
No, that's not the point at all. Being able to create your own guys with their own lore is super fun, not being told "hey here are your 10 provinces if you play anything else you're breaking the lore". I don't need to be fucking fed everything by a corporation to have fun with a creative hobby. If you just want generic stuff guiding how the cities work and what they are, that info is right there for you, and the RPG is doing more specific shit for different realms.

Do you honestly think that being able to be creative and come up with your own army with their own unique backstory is a bad thing?

>> No.73915592

>>73915535
Yeah, the way AoS likes to dance around wearing the tattered skin of old Fantasy is despicable.

>> No.73915597

>>73915506
Both I've been arguing for. The problem is that AOS suffers from the same cancerous shit that's bringing down 40k, wherein everything revolves around immortal superhumans and gods and nothing below that level means jack shit. If the shakers and movers aren't actual people, there is no immersion or actual investment in the setting in the first place. Who gives a shit about Stormcast X when he'll almost certainly be resurrected infinite times without actually suffering consequences for it? Why give a damn about Y City when the scale of time is so ballooned that barring magical powers the shakers and movers will never be the same each time it pops up in the lore due to being distanced by decades if not centuries with campaigns?

AOS is totally removed from what actually matters, so there is no sense of stakes. Even 40k has a vague sense of stakes in form of well-defined planetary campaigns, the problem with 40k is that we still don't know jack shit about the population really to care, and that GW is too pussy to actually have anybody bite it as consequence of losing a battle which is why that Ultramar nurgle campaign was a farce.

>> No.73915603
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>>73915557
>call me when AoS got some factions besides Chaos and SCE

>> No.73915610

>>73915557
And before that there was the pact between Sigmar and the Dwarfs, and Magnus with the elves. And before that there was the last alliance of Dwarves and Men in the land of middle earth. You fucking illiterate zoomie.

>> No.73915618

>>73915571
I read the battletomes for the cities, and they might as well be empty. Fucking early Warhammer Fantasy had more detail of who ruled what than that crap.

>> No.73915647

>>73915618
Why do you need to be told who rules what to create your own army? If we're talking an RPG, sure, that info could be valuable, but how does it benefit you to know who rules a given city if you're just going to make your own city with its own ruler anyway?

>> No.73915678

>>73901786
When it stops being stupid it'll stop getting called stupid

>> No.73915680

>>73915588
>Being able to create your own guys with their own lore is super fun,
Okay tumblr
>not being told "hey here are your 10 provinces if you play anything else you're breaking the lore".
[citation needed]
>I don't need to be fucking fed everything by a corporation to have fun with a creative hobby.
>says a guy who pays 100$ for 3 models
You are already milked by corporation like the best goy of the year

>> No.73915690

>>73915610
>And before that there was the pact between Sigmar and the Dwarfs, and Magnus with the elves.
And elves, humans and dwarves still were chilling out in their own territories, not merging into Alliance from late WoW

>> No.73915713

>>73915603
No seriously call me when AoS will have other faction with so many units as SCE

>> No.73915722

>>73915588
It's a fucking corporation. If I need to do all of the work, why would I essentially cuckold myself by restraining my work instead of just doing it all myself? It's not about filling everything 100% in, but filling 70% of it in, such as with Bretonnian Duchies or Space Marines in 40k (although marines still suffering from being a bunch of power fantasy cancerous shits). It's easy as fuck to generate fluff while still being unique if you have have a functioning imagination, no army in WHFB was even County/Duchy sized in the first place, your army was at most a couple hundred dudes if you were VERY wealthy. You could easily generate lore for a small fiefdom or retinue based on the building blocks provided.

But in AOS? There's fuckall. It's not about being a creative hobby, but not being goddamn lazy and having the gall to charge money for the shit being peddled. If I'm putting down $40 for a battletome about the Cities of Sigmar, I damn well expect to know everything about the Cities of Sigmar that's important after it. Not have a giant questionmark because "lmao just make it up". The WHOLE POINT of SOURCE BOOKS is to NOT HAVE TO MAKE STUFF UP. You buy a sourcebook to get a solid understanding of a faction and how it works.

And no, there is no such information in it either. The cities of sigmar are functionally non entities. They are completely undefined with Stormcast still getting the main focus while the cities and their armies are just slapped together and "there".

>> No.73915725

>>73915597
How is this different to fantasy, which revolved around demigod like figures anyway?
Also the "resurrected with no consequences" thing isn't really true, anymore than plot armor for any other character in a GW franchise is at least. Yeah they aren't gonna kill off fucking Alarielle or completely brainwipe a major SCE character, but they weren't ever gonna kill off Franz or Teclis either. Being able to have characters actually flatout die is probably more tension in a book anyway, instead of a duel that's trying to be tense but you know how it'll end because you're only 80 pages in.

>>73915680
If you're just going to shitpost and act like a retard, save us both the effort and don't bother replying at all.

>> No.73915728

>>73915618
They didn't give random Mortals names because AoS isn't set in one unchanging time like Fantasy was. Canonically the change from AoS 1 to AoS 2 was centuries, any ruling Human or Dorf would be dead. Maaaaybe a Elf would still be around if they didn't get offed

>> No.73915755

>>73915713
Why? Even SCE players don't want as many units as Stormcast have, most are redundant and it should really be separate books in the same way Grey Knights are separate from Space Marines.

>> No.73915759

>>73915725
>How is this different to fantasy, which revolved around demigod like figures anyway?
Like what? mannfred? Settra? Karl Franz? Archaon who was headbutted by Grimgor? Kemmler? Who was demigod except of Kroak?
>If you're just going to shitpost and act like a retard,
Nice cope, but please, answer where did WHFb was forbidding you make Empire army into colonists (since the precedents were established in fluff with Neuland being new Imperial province) or into Estallians or Tileans?

>> No.73915762

>>73901607
What in hell

>> No.73915768

>>73915755
>Why?
Because I like building my army when i have choice more than 3 units

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>>73915762

>> No.73915796

>>73915768
There's plenty that are more than 3 and less than Stormcast, shitlord

>> No.73915813

>>73915796
>There's plenty that are more than 3
Yeah those who took some old WHFB units, like DoK or Sylvaneth, meanwhile Idoneth and Kharadon have 3 units of infantry/cav and the rest is multikit Monsters boxes

>> No.73915831

>>73915759
Teclis, Malekith, Tyrion, Mazdamundi, Archaon, Nagash, any of the grail knights, Gelt, Elspeth, Crom, there's fucking heaps. They aren't literally demigods, but they're all so far above a random human that the gap between them and an actual god is irrelevant.
I don't think Grimgor ever won a straight fight with Archaon either.

And sure, you could play colonists but then you're not an actual imperial province, can only exist in certain areas, realistically can't have access to a heap of units, it's stupid limiting.

>> No.73915842

>>73915813
>Idoneth
2 Infantry units, 2 Cavalry units, Sharks, Turtles, and a handful of generic Heroes.

>Kharadron
2 types of Infantry, 2 types of Balloon buggers, 3 distinct ship kits, a handful of generic Heroes

Counting is fucking hard when you have 3 fingers per hand, I guess.

>> No.73915846

>>73915597
This seems to be more about you preferring more grounded settings.
AoS is indeed written as a very "mythological" setting with gods and demi-gods making big plays for parts of their "multi-verse".
There are important non-demi-god characters and civilizations that you can follow too. I like Volturnus, the KO and the Fyreslayers for example.
>AOS is totally removed from what actually matters, so there is no sense of stakes
Not if you're actually invested in those gods and civilizations as characters. There was recently a big campaign by Death where Katakross now has an established base in the eight-points, directly encroaching on Archaon's domain.
Again, this seems to have more to do with your personal preference. 40k and AoS just have a different scale to them with less defined locations.
In AoS there are important continents, cities and subrealms that we know a ton about, but the setting is purposely left open to make it easy for players to make up their own campaigns and excuses to fight each other. This is one of AoS's biggest narrative sales-points for hobbyists.

>> No.73915850

>>73915780
>tranny warriors are chaos cultists
Dare I say redpilled?

>> No.73915851

>>73912125
You aren't getting the sauce. You're getting bullied. You might not realize it but >>73915526 even posted the wrong manga just to bully you.

>> No.73915869

>>73915242
>most perfect non-gay depiction of Vampires
Castlevania, Darkest Dungeon, lots more exist.

>> No.73915876
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73915876

>>73910134
>Consider Bretonnia.
lmao

>> No.73915882

>>73901607
ALWAYS

>> No.73915886

>>73915831
>Teclis, Malekith, Tyrion,
They are just elves
>Archaon
If he was demigod then why he was simply beaten by Grimgor?
>Nagash
Became demigod only in ET-AoS
>any of the grail knights,
Fucking seriously?
>Gelt, Elspeth
Just strong mages
And neither of them had Action Figure instead of model to represent them on the table
>I don't think Grimgor ever won a straight fight with Archaon either.
Google Storm of Chaos, tourist.
>>73915842
>2 Infantry units, 2 Cavalry units
3 boxes.
>2 types of Infantry, 2 types of Balloon buggers
3 boxes

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>>73915056
This is why we bully you. There are ways to search beyond that. Discovering them will be your own journey. Until then, this will be you.

>> No.73915904

>>73915850
>Dare I say redpilled?
Nah since fluff also says SCE are trannies as well (literally)

>> No.73915913

>>73915046
>worsening metas with 7e/8e being the worst editions in the game's history?
What the hell am I reading? Are you an eldar or tau player? How's 7th or 8th worse than 6th and meatmarines?

>> No.73915922

>>73915647
It's not about making up your own damn city, but simply pulling a force from a city. Yet the cities have none of the personality of say, Marienburg or Nuln. Or even enough information to draw up a small outlying vassal. Meanwhile in WHFB (or really, any setting that has proper fucking world building), it would only take you perhaps an hour to come up with a reasonably detailed background while drawing from history of the setting and regional heraldry. If I wanted to say make a Bretonnian army. I pick Bastonne as the location because I want my force to have a go against Beastmen, Undead, and Orcs as their most frequent fighting. My warlord comes from near the river and holds a fief there, so he's probably named something like Ribault de Grismerie. As one from Bastonne, his heraldry is probably a dragon or some chequy pattern. Perhaps he's a bastard of Baldemar, so he'd use Baldemar's heraldry with a baton sinister. He's a bastard, so that probably means he's brash to prove himself thanks to illegitimacy. Perhaps he's taken Questing Vows, and is leading a band in search of minotaur to slay in the Forest of Chalons.

Etc, etc. Thanks to the fairly significant framework from WHFB, it's easy as fuck to just come up with army background like that on the fly for either Bretonnia or the Empire really.

>> No.73915927

>>73915876
Not him but your reply contains nothing of value. You will be included in the bullying.

>> No.73915934

>>73915886
>3 boxes
Fucking so? Who cares?

>> No.73915936

>>73915922
This is honestly pure autism, like unnecessarily rigid lore details that only replicate what you could create yourself. You're not making a strong argument for WHFB here.

>> No.73915946

>>73915934
>Fucking so?
So most of the models looks the same
>Who cares?
Me, since I don't like 1-2 units for small 1k list

>> No.73915968

>>73915913
Marines were not hard to kill at all in 6e, I am a Dark Angel player, trust me on that. 7e if anything was the peak of Eldar cancer (although Codex marine grav cancer was also a blight, along with invisibility), while 8e brought all kinds of bullshit thanks to netlister assholes. The incredible imperial knight and its 3++, unhittable eldar (although I at least have the wisdom to refuse any game besides Urban Conquest), invincible iron hands, smash captains out the ass, and the early edition guard was fucking brutal.

>> No.73915971

>>73915886
The whole thing about "demi-gods" in AoS is literally just the settings narrative being that way. It's written to be styled as a mythological multi-realm war, but weanwhile those "demi-gods" aren't any more special than the characters you two are discussing here.
Malekieth either has the same or even greater narrative presence in WHFB as any of the demi-gods from AoS.

>> No.73915982

>>73915971
>The whole thing about "demi-gods" in AoS is literally just the settings narrative being that way. It's written to be styled as a mythological multi-realm war, but weanwhile those "demi-gods" aren't any more special than the characters you two are discussing here.
So... it's capeshit like Thor?
>Malekieth either has the same or even greater narrative presence in WHFB as any of the demi-gods from AoS.
???

>> No.73915993

>>73915936
None of that is rigid at all, that's called basic structure. And even then I'd call WHFB pretty barebones in many places, which is the caveat of being a wargame setting opposed to something actually well written. Also, who the fuck just slaps random heraldry on a model? That shit has specific meaning. Vexillology is an actual career for a reason.

>> No.73915999

>>73915046
>7e/8e being the worst editions in the game's history
6th was the start of superheavies and flyers in regular 40k, had the worst art of all editions, really lame and bland codexes, flooded with shitty epub downloadable dataslates and formations, added some of the faggiest models the game ever saw like Centurions, horrible imbalances, alliance chart taudar cancer, almost as bloated as 7th with random shit everywhere like warlord traits you couldnt pick, tried to shoehorn new mary Sue subfactions into the setting with cringe names and fluff like "Crinson Slaughter", and was just about as bloated as 7th without any of the stuff that made 7th start to be a little better towards the end like Traitor Legions supplement and GSC coming back with SOULFUL rules and shit. Also GW had the fucking temerity to only have this edition last two years before we had to rebuy the rulebook and half the codexes, and armies that didnt get new 7th codexes got to be utterly shit tier instead.

It was literally the absolute lowest point of 40k on every level.

>> No.73916002

>>73915936
>like unnecessarily rigid lore details that only replicate what you could create yourself.
So why do you even need AoS setting?

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>>73901786
LET THE SHAERKENING COMMENCE

>> No.73916008

>>73915968
Anon, why did you say you were gay? Why is that relevant?

>> No.73916035

>>73915968
It's not "hard to kill". I believe you don't know what he means by meat marines.

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>>73915927
pic is you

>> No.73916047

>>73915982
>So... it's capeshit like Thor?
Just like WHFB was if you're honest enough to admit it.
>???
Are you having English troubles or are you just retarded?

>>73916002
>You don't need unnecessarily rigid details in a fantasy world meant to serve as a hobby game setting
>Oh, so you mean you don't need a setting at all??

>> No.73916059

>>73915725
>but they weren't ever gonna kill off Franz or Teclis either. Being able to have characters actually flatout die is probably more tension in a book anyway, instead of a duel that's trying to be tense but you know how it'll end because you're only 80 pages in.
Actually that was never a certain thing as there were historical characters in Fantasy, with them sticking around probably mostly due to Kirby's corporate bullshit. But others like Vlad or Leitdorf. This is also probably tying into why Fantasy was doomed - corporate bungled the franchise hard and got stuck into the same rot that 40k dabbles in, only harder.

(Bad metas, bloated rules, insane army sizes, total lack of updates for armies causing people to not buy said army, resulting in GW not updating because army doesn't sell...)

>> No.73916080

>>73916047
>Just like WHFB
Sorry, I don't see anything like MCU in WHFB, not at all.

>>You don't need unnecessarily rigid details in a fantasy world meant to serve as a hobby game setting
> >Oh, so you mean you don't need a setting at all??
And..? Does this greentext was supposed to mean something, because I completely lost your point.

>> No.73916082

>>73915886
Are you retarded? I didn't literally mean demigods you autist, hence why I said "demigod like figures". I don't even know what you mean by "action figure instead of model".
Could you tell me specifically what happened in storm of chaos by the way? Like how did their fight start, what happened before it?

>> No.73916086

>>73916035
>meat marines
Oh you mean as fodder then? Never actually encountered the term before, but my introduction to 40k was marines being fucking garbage that were overcosted and dropped like flies with the only answer being transports and massed numbers.

Not that it's changed much, even Primaris is pretty brittle. Sure wish the rules could reflect lore remotely at all one day.

>> No.73916109

>>73916080
Anon, I don't see anything in AoS like MCU either, and I know both WHFB (mostly the older stuff), and got to say the whole grity stuff is more in like with WHFB fan vision of the setting and MCU rather then what setting actually was.

>> No.73916112

>That and new factions get a dump of like 5 kits for the entire range then forgotten about.

Chad easy to collect AoS range vs virgin consoomer 40k with 50 units per army.

>> No.73916116

>>73916082
>Are you retarded? I didn't literally mean demigods you autist, hence why I said "demigod like figures".
And they are "demigod like" because..?
>I don't even know what you mean by "action figure instead of model".
Obviously their size smoothbrain.
>Could you tell me specifically what happened in storm of chaos by the way? Like how did their fight start, what happened before it?
Grimgor angered with his defeat from Crom marched and crushed Archaon and his army durring the battle at Middenheim.

>> No.73916120

>>73914832
>he addresses gw employees with "hip new" terms nobody else uses
>>73914954
>evidence he doesn't play 40k
>>73915056
>thinks searching is just reverse image search
>>73915095
>newfag
>>73915108
>doesn't understand terms he uses
>>73915526
>lying
>>73915876
>bad trolling
>>73915046
>thinks 7 and 8 are the worst, exposing his own newfaggotry
>>73915968
>pretend dark angel player pretending to do 40k
Oh man, I hit the jackpot. Whoever posted that link on /40kg/ gave me a bullying paradise!

>> No.73916122

>>73916047
>You don't need unnecessarily rigid details in a fantasy world meant to serve as a hobby game setting
>Oh, so you mean you don't need a setting at all??
Why do you need a setting that's so lazily written that it has no setting in the first place? Again, if you need to do most of the work, why essentially cuckold yourself by making stuff you can't even sell and not just make your own wargame. It wouldn't even be hard to make a more balanced system than any GW game.

>> No.73916127

>>73916109
>I don't see anything in AoS like MCU either,
Common cartoonish aesthetic and retarded design like SCE

>> No.73916134

>>73915922
Cool, so you're looking for details that you'd really only get from an RPG, or are entirely able to pull from the available tomes already. Glad we came to terms on that. If you just want to pull from an existing city, that's already easily done, 5-6 pages of info per city is more than enough for that.
Though I'm not sure what you've provided here is actually good for fantasy at all, considering you effectively have to be involved with one of those mentioned leaders if you want to create a mainland bretonnia faction at all.

>> No.73916145

>>73916080
>Sorry, I don't see anything like MCU in WHFB, not at all.
I guess you never read any lore at all then.
>Does this greentext was supposed to mean something, because I completely lost your point.
>Does this greentext was
Just pointing out how the second anon was retarded for only being able to see arguments in complete absolutes.
And how he's also a seething ESL Slav.

>> No.73916166

>>73916145
>I guess you never read any lore at all then.
Not an argument.

>> No.73916170

>>73916145
>only being able to see arguments in complete absolutes.
Is that anon a Sith?

>> No.73916173

>>73916116
they're demigod like because they're incredibly powerful, like demigods compared to the normal person. That really wasn't that hard to understand mate.
Elspeths model was quite large by the way.

Also that's not very many details, or what I asked. What specifically happened in the fight? What was Archaon doing before it and as it started?

>> No.73916183

>>73916166
Not him but provide an argument before you spew meme speak.

>> No.73916184

>>73916120
>thinks 7 and 8 are the worst, exposing his own newfaggotry
I would literally prefer to play any edition of 40k other than 7 or 8, especially 8. Removing armor facings and blast templates was a fucking mistake that degenerated the game, hard, leading to even greater inanery. Monsters should have been given armor facings, not turned all fucking tanks into monsters.
>pretend dark angel player pretending to do 40k
Contrary to popular belief there are in fact, First Legion players. Unfortunately playing Deathwing is an experience of pure suffering unless you houserule a 2d6 3+. Which few people accept because it's hard to cost fairly and a pain in the ass to roll with 8e's bucket of dice. The dice bucket actually is probably the worst part of 8e simply because of how fucking long it takes to play against horde armies. No gun or melee weapon should be able to 'fire' more than one dice for simple sake of time constraints.

>> No.73916198

>>73916134
Except most of those details didn't come from RPG tomes, but merely army book tomes for WHFB. Compared to WHFB, AOS is a fucking wading pool.

>> No.73916223

>>73916122
>Why do you need a setting that's so lazily written that it has no setting in the first place?
Demonstrably false, and obvious laziness or emotionally inspired willing ignorance on your part.
Also AoS is selling better than WHFB ever was. Obviously the market is much bigger now than in WHFB's heyday, but towards the end GW's paints were selling better than it. And now AoS is second to only 40k on the market.
And people are buying the campaign and expansion books that talk about the setting, and they are putting hobby work in to show this stuff off on the table-top.

>> No.73916227

>>73916173
>they're demigod like because they're incredibly powerful,
But they aren't, except of Slanns. Tyrion and Malekith are nowhere close to Aenarion, Teclis isn't more powerful than Caledor.
>like demigods compared to the normal person.
They cannot wrap reality or solo armies and cities.
>Elspeths model was quite large by the way.
Due to dragon.

>> No.73916234

>>73916223
>Also AoS is selling better than WHFB ever was. Obviously the market is much bigger now than in WHFB's heyday, but towards the end GW's paints were selling better than it. And now AoS is second to only 40k on the market.
>And people are buying the campaign and expansion books that talk about the setting, and they are putting hobby work in to show this stuff off on the table-top.
Of course it's selling well, it's general consumer bullshit, no different from how Star Wars or 40k sells well. Selling well is immaterial to actual artistic quality, which often is opposed to appealing to lowest common denominators.

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>>73916184
Keep talking. Keep on spewing shit that diminished 40k to extents that Warmahordes got widespread popular but PP got delusional and an heroed their game. Keep on implying your bloat wasn't bad in that edition too. Keep on implying things which keep on suggesting you've played the game for very few time.

>> No.73916241

>>73916223
And..?

>> No.73916271

>>73916184
>The dice bucket actually is probably the worst part of 8e simply because of how fucking long it takes to play against horde armies. No gun or melee weapon should be able to 'fire' more than one dice for simple sake of time constraints.
>8th edition
>time constraints
Are you fucking joking right now.

Maybe a game like checkers is more your speed, champ.

>> No.73916296

>>73916184
Anon 8th is the fucking braindead edition. It shouldn't take you 7 hours to finish a game that's not even 2k points when it's been so blandified and dumbed down to shit that the core rules are like 10% of what the old editions were. How are time constraints a problem compared to plder editions even in hordes?

>> No.73916305

>>73916238
>Keep talking. Keep on spewing shit that diminished 40k to extents that Warmahordes got widespread popular but PP got delusional and an heroed their game. Keep on implying your bloat wasn't bad in that edition too. Keep on implying things which keep on suggesting you've played the game for very few time.
40k's popular appeal is exactly the fucking problem, considering popular appeal results in a degeneration of quality in favor of soulless marketing. I'd much rather the game regress in scale back to tenure of Priestly and Co. where 40k is played in holes in the wall and games are uncommon compared to the modern bullshit. Who the fuck unironically thinks Primaris is good besides children and investors?

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>>73916184
>mfw he thinks 8ed takes long in any situation
>>73916227
>mfw he thinks Malekith doesn't at least rival the high tiers, able to take down bloodthirsters with little effort
>what are grail knights and especially green knights
>archaon able to take down greater daemons including the first everchosen's ghost via language
>>73916234
>Selling well is immaterial to actual artistic quality, which often is opposed to appealing to lowest common denominators.
>mfw you're not as stupid as anon

>> No.73916361

>>73916184
>>73916305
Please tell me how the hell are time constraints a problem in 8th. It may take 2-3 hrs to play a 2000 pt game of 8th, where it was double that for 7th.
Stuff that is bespoke on datasheets in 8th was done through core rules and keywords in 7th. Meaning movement types and unit types, as well as abilities on weapons.
The hit and wound tables were wonky as hell, Vehicles had facing rules that you had to argue with your opponent for 15 minutes on whether or not their guns could even fire. There were a half dozen tables you rolled on before the game started, particularly if you had psykers. Not a damn person I ever played with had the morale rules down pat, especially stuff like going to ground or rolling for Pinning, and half the armies didn't take morale tests anyway.
Basically, it was much more rules dense. Not really more complex, just more rules than you have now, and they were mandatory. If you like that sort of thing, great, but the change to 8th was a positive one that has slowly worn out its welcome

>> No.73916370

>>73916332
>>mfw he thinks Malekith doesn't at least rival the high tiers, able to take down bloodthirsters with little effort
>>what are grail knights and especially green knights
>>archaon able to take down greater daemons including the first everchosen's ghost via language
And..? It's somehow makes them demigods?

>> No.73916387

>>73916227
> or solo armies and cities.
Neither can any god or demi-god in AoS. The gods can do incredible stuff after spending a long ass time preparing for it. Like Nagash taking several millennia to conduct his great ritual.

>>73916332
I mean Malekieth literally beats that one named KoS over and over in the lore.

>> No.73916395

>>73916305
>40k's popular appeal is exactly the fucking problem, considering popular appeal results in a degeneration of quality in favor of soulless marketing.
Sometimes quality leads to popular appeal. Lots of family shows manage to be good and get audiences. Many video games appeal to a smaller audience with attempts to reach a larger one like bo4 apping arena games fucking them up.

>> No.73916402

>>73916387
>Neither can any god or demi-god in AoS.
Except they can mold reality of their domains.

>> No.73916418

>>73916370
They have the same narrative impact in the setting(in the case of Malekieth it's much greater) as the demi-gods from AoS.
Use your brain now anon, figure it out.

>> No.73916419

>>73916198
Nah man, the different notable figures get literally a single paragraph in the bret armybook and that's it. Acting like that's some rich history to draw from in comparison to the info given for a single notable city in AoS is stupid. The only difference here is that you already know a heap more about one setting than other, because you're drawing from other shit.

>>73916227
>Tyrion, Malekith, Archaon and Teclis aren't incredibly powerful and can't solo armies
You have zero idea what you're talking about. If you're talking incredibly high tier armies, sure, but an average random army would get wiped the fuck out by any of them, particularly the magic users. People don't solo high tier armies in AoS either, unless they're literally sitting in their seat of power doing a huge ritual for it.
And yes, Elspeths model was large because of her mount, just like a bunch of the big figures in AoS. Alarielle, Archaon, almost all of the mortarchs, Volturnos, Gotrek, even Nagash is only as tall as he is because he's floating.

>> No.73916434

>>73916305
>It's popular so it must be bad
I too, was once a teenager on the internet.

>> No.73916461

>>73916370
>he doesn't get it
I'm calling you out on severely underestimating the power of present day whfb characters. Aenarion was strong but he also had help like a super strong dragon. Then there's characters like Archaon who exceed previous Everchosen. Grail Knights might as well be demigods. It's been heavily implied before ET that Grombrindal was Snorri Whitebeard, thus an insanely old Dwarf too.

>> No.73916468

>>73916402
I didn't quote you on that part in case you didn't notice. And I pointed out how any serious "warping of reality" takes some fucking effort.
Meanwhile Malekieth settling Naggarond and establishing the dark elf race is a huge narrative impact on whfb, but because he didn't use magic I guess the comparison is lost on you.

>> No.73916479

>>73916271
>Are you fucking joking right now.
>Maybe a game like checkers is more your speed, champ.
Have you literally played any wargame other than 40k, which can typically be completed quite fast while having even superior level of tactical complexity? Historicals offer a wealth of superior gaming systems to GW's shit they don't even bother to balance, without needing a a bucket of dice or endlessly rerolling the same ten dice because some asshole likes to play Ork hordes that makes games take forever. You do not need to roll more than 20 dice for 20 models to resolve attacks, it's fucking nuts.

>>73916361
Cheat sheets and printouts of rules instead of having to flip through shit, books are bad at that, as are digital copies. It's still not perfect and 7e could take longer, but at the same time I would absolutely prefer rules bloat with some tactical depth to it than the shit of 8e which is basically just baby's first wargame with armor not existing and everything revolving around auras and blobs. 7e had some of the same, but at least the vehicles and artillery had some skill involved. 8e is the most fun-sucking experience I've had with 40k, and I'd recommend Horus Heresy completely over it, if you can ever find a game that is. Although HH is also cancerous to the extreme, just the sheer cost of 30k custodes makes odds of running into said cancer much lower.

Although keep in mind I'm not saying 7e is the best, far from it. While 2e and 3e is before my time, having gone back and played a few games using those rules, it was a far more enjoyable experience, jank and all. If I had a button to reset 40k say, 20 or 25 years ago, I absolutely would mash it to rid the modern shit. Especially the Primaris creep and infinite rerolls for everything.

>> No.73916495

>>73916227
>But they aren't, except of Slanns. Tyrion and Malekith are nowhere close to Aenarion, Teclis isn't more powerful than Caledor.
Really? What about Morathi? The thing about the elven twins are their potential for growth but I'd say Malekith definitely rivals if not exceeds Caledor.

>> No.73916511

>>73916479
>one side complaining about the lack of depth while the other is all about muh depth
Nice

>> No.73916531

>>73915227
>double turn, lol
>The only people who think this is a problem are secondaries.
You'll have to explain that one to me, can't see how anyone disliking GW's solution to IGOUGO by making it even more extreme makes anyone a secondary. If anything having an awareness of other activation mechanics probably means a poster has at least attempted to get some perspective of gaming outside of the GW bubble, it's like they think they'll get cooties from alternate activations or something.

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>>73916227
>except Slaan
What about Greater Daemons or those who can take down Greater Daemons in a 1vs1?
>>73916479
>40k
>tactical complexity
Is this some form of joke?

>> No.73916565

>>73916539
I'm talking relatively of course. 7e actually has you worry about what way your tanks are facing or trying to optimize artillery coverage. 8e is just pushing a blob of units across the board while carefully watching auras that remove fear of failure from dice rolls and stratagems act as a bandaid for any fuckup you might make or allowing you to create utterly repugnant WAAC combos that make some of the 7e cheese look pale in comparison.

>> No.73916575

>>73916418
>They have the same narrative impact in the setting
yeah due to their actions, not status.
>>73916419
>but an average random army would get wiped the fuck out by any of them, particularly the magic users.
>source: my ass
>Alarielle
larger even without Anub'Arak
>even Nagash is only as tall as he is because he's floating.
He is still larger than hero on foot
>>73916468
>Meanwhile Malekieth settling Naggarond and establishing the dark elf race is a huge narrative impact on whfb, but because he didn't use magic I guess the comparison is lost on you.
Yeah because he did it because have some talent in organizing people around. George Washington (or any person who established colonies) also Demigod-like?
>>73916495
>Really? What about Morathi?
She was neede help of Luthor harkon to get some Slanns McGuffins.
>but I'd say Malekith definitely rivals if not exceeds Caledor.
Yeah first time when he tried to fucked up vortex worked so well...

>> No.73916579

>>73916479
>Have you literally played any wargame other than 40k, which can typically be completed quite fast while having even superior level of tactical complexity
Well, yes. One of the games I've played is actual 40k because I know it doesn't have very much tactical complexity at all. You ever play against Tau?

>> No.73916593

>>73916539
>What about Greater Daemons or those who can take down Greater Daemons in a 1vs1?
So Hellstorm artyllery is also demigod?

>> No.73916600

>>73916575
>Yeah because he did it because have some talent in organizing people around
Not him but what? You're crediting his leadership skills instead of his magic which performed the task?
>>73916565
Not him but facing was ass.

>> No.73916618

40k is a fucking joke, anon. GW is a "modeling" company, not a gaming company. The rules are trash, the balance is shit, the models are ugly and overdesigned, the lore is cringe campy 80s metal album cover sci fi that they try to play straight and the entire audience takes seriously and spergs over. That, and it has EXACTLY the same money milking problems as magic. Like, what the fuck do you think Forge World is? Sure, you got your space marines. But you did you get your Super Spermsucking Muscleman Marine from Forge World with authenticity ticket?

40k is a joke, like the game doesn't even have facing. It's a nongame and the models are ugly as fuck. You could have at least picked a good miniatures game to get into.

>> No.73916632

>>73916600
>You're crediting his leadership skills instead of his magic which performed the task?
Did he made Naggarond with magic, not by rulling with Iron Fist and his Mom's intrigues? Remind me when did teclis was able to make entire race of swordmasters? Or their endless clone army?

>> No.73916636

>>73916593
>Artillery is a one on one
>a single person casually achieving results artillery does isn't meaningful
>discussing crunch, not fluff

>> No.73916651

>>73916579
In 8th? If they bring Kroot they're a friendly player. If they bring a commander with 30 drones they should be refused all games on principle.

Also to be clear, in that post I was saying that modern 40k has fuckall in the way of tactical complexity with most historicals being superior. I'd certainly rather play a game of virtually any medieval wargame to 40k, unfortunately historical games are rare as fuck. Although bizarrely I've had more during quarantine than virtually every before thanks to TTS, although sourcing medieval models on that is a pain in the ass.

>> No.73916654

>>73916531
Disliking it is fine, but this one particular mechanic gets so much shit from people who haven't play AoS at all -and don't know jack-shit about faction match-ups or the game's internal balance.
I reacted the same way at first, and I still think it was a problem in the game's 1st edition. But it isn't the case any more. It's become just a mechanic you play around.

>> No.73916669

>>73916600
>Not him but facing was ass.
Only because monsters didn't have it when they should have. But without facing we now have flyers firing shots out of their ass or tanks shooting around a wall because the treads stick out, so I wouldn't call it that much better.

>> No.73916678

>>73916593
How many times has something like that happened in lore? Big name Bloodthirsters like Skarbrand who destroy entire armies got defeated easily by Malekith.
>>73916632
He's talking about creating the place you dip. Hell, it's arguable his power is what keeps him not backstabbed. Including magical anti-assassination threat detectors.

>> No.73916687

>>73916636
>>a single person casually achieving results artillery does isn't meaningful
Military veteran from Spec-Ops can down artilley position with hand weapon, does it mean he is demigod as well?

>> No.73916705

>>73916575
>yeah due to their actions, not status.
Just like in AoS. The age of myth in AoS is about as summarized as the earliest parts of WHFB's lore, like with Caeldor and Anerion.
But even in AoS's modern time the gods don't just magic and havd-wave shit, they need to go out and put their lives and works on the line to get shit done.

>> No.73916708

>>73916678
>Big name Bloodthirsters like Skarbrand who destroy entire armies got defeated easily by Malekith.
When? End Times and Khornate invastion in naggaroth?
>He's talking about creating the place you dip.
But he didn't created the materic.

>> No.73916722

>>73916705
>Just like in AoS.
When did Karl Franz managed to spam endless super-warrior from nothing?

>> No.73916725

>>73916575
Nah, they're all described as doing shit way powerful enough to wipe out a smaller army, read more.
Alarielle is not particularly huge without the mount, she's tall, but not really massive. Probably around the height of a kurnoth hunter I'd say? I wasn't ever saying her or nagash were small models, they're still big, but not particularly so compared to actually huge shit. Obviously things that are borderline monsters are going to be taller than just some random troop or smaller similar HQ.

If your issue is just the size of models not counting mounts, AoS has plenty of shit that fits your tastes just fine.

>> No.73916737

>>73916632
>Did he made Naggarond with magic, not by rulling with Iron Fist and his Mom's intrigues?
Yes. He rules with an iron fist because he's strong. Nobody can usurp him because he's strong. Take Chaos Lords. They have leadership but it's their sheer martial ability which prevents an upstart from killing them for their position. With the backstab-happy Dark Elves, you'd need to fight off constant attempts like that, though more subtle, unless you're so strong that nobody can touch you.

>> No.73916746

>>73916708
Not that guy, but the end-times totally don't count am I right???
N-no it's not part of the setting, shut up!

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>>73916708
>But he didn't created the materic.
>hey someone just hurled a star at us
>b-but he didn't make the star!

>> No.73916770

>>73916687
Nope. Downing artillery positions is very different than downing monsters who destroy entire armies singlehandedly. For one, the latter don't eat punishment for breakfast.

>> No.73916773

>>73916722
Sigmar didn't do that either. He spent a FUCK long time preparing for it, stealing souls, calling favors with Grungni and the six smiths, setting up Mallus for mining, etc.
The fact that you argue as if this isn't the case is just willful ignorance on your part.

>> No.73916808

>>73916708
>But he didn't created the materic.
>>73916687
>Military veteran from Spec-Ops can down artilley position with hand weapon, does it mean he is demigod as well?
What the hell is this nonsense? Do Slaan shaking mountains matter less because they didn't construct the mountain? That other one just told you you're discussing gameplay when story is the relevant factor. What literacy is this?

>> No.73916811

>>73916746
>Not that guy, but the end-times totally don't count am I right???
1) Sort of since after kahine Malekith became god-like through eating Ulgu.
2) All Khorne greater daemons who invaded naggaroth then met with Elves in Middenheim, so Malekith didn't destroyed them (like Empy destroyed Horus)
>>73916758
>>hey someone just hurled a star at us
You talking about creation of Great Maw?

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>>73903192
Hello zoomer

>> No.73916847

>>73916811
Not him but et malelith btfo scarbrand before the buff. And you didn't respond to the other guys point that youre discounting the feat because he didnt make what he modified, nevermind the extent of the feat.

>> No.73916870

>>73916593
Do those consistently destroy Greater Daemons in lore? And without backup from an army?

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>all this bullying

>> No.73916923

>>73916479
>8e is the most fun-sucking experience I've had with 40k
Someone never faced greytide tau and markerlights

>> No.73916926

>>73916811
Malekieth keeps fighting and beating that one named KoS over and over in the lore before the ET though.

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>>73912125
Discovering it yourself rewards the best growth.
>>73915526
Good. Mislead him so his struggle is greater. Then he will be all the stronger when he conquers it.

>> No.73916952

>>73916773
>Sigmar didn't do that either.
Check category on GW web-store called "Stormcasts Eternals".
>He spent a FUCK long time preparing for it,
So long that GW never bothered to show it.
>calling favors with Grungni and the six smiths, setting up Mallus for mining, etc.
So he can manipulate cosmic powers and build Space Stations around planet core without any techno-shit.
>>73916808
Please, show me non-ET lore where Malekith created continent with his only magic powers
>>73916847
>Not him but et malelith btfo scarbrand before the buff.
Yeah and in the last ET book Scarbrand returned.

>> No.73916966

>>73916870
>Do those consistently destroy Greater Daemons in lore?
Should I remind you how Daemon Prince was destroyed with fucking metlagun?

>> No.73916995

>>73916966
>40k
>when discussing editions of whfb without bolters
Nice

>> No.73917010

>>73916725
>Nah, they're all described as doing shit way powerful enough to wipe out a smaller army, read more.
[citation needed]
>Alarielle is not particularly huge without the mount, she's tall, but not really massive.
She is Avatar/Greater Daemon size

>> No.73917020

>>73916995
Okay, in WHFB first Daemon Prince was destroyed by fucking rocks

>> No.73917058

>>73916952
What the hell am I reading? The physical state of location itself was a result of his attempt at Ulthuan which ended up drowning lots of elves. And Daemons returning is their schtick. It doesn't mean their defeats aren't difficult for most with Greater Daemons especially being some of the strongest things in Warhammer.

>> No.73917061

>>73916952
>So long that GW never bothered to show it.
That's a very easy argument to make when you haven't bothered to read about it.
>So he can manipulate cosmic powers and build Space Stations around planet core without any techno-shit.
He didn't do that by himself you retard, he is the king of an entire realm and can use the manpower he has at his disposal.
>Yeah and in the last ET book Scarbrand returned.
Newsflash, you cannot permanently kill a greater deamon.

>> No.73917092

>>73916952
>he doesn't know the Sundering or how Nagarythe's castles became Black Arks
Nice
>>73917020
>understating as well as not knowing the context
Nice

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I enjoy bullying OP and idiots like him.

>> No.73917256

>>73917010
Which greater daemon? can you post a picture? from what I've seen she's greater daemon size on the mount, at least talking about bloodthirsters. she'd be basically fucking impossible to transport if she was twice the size of a bloodthirster as an actual full model.

Asking for citations that Teclis is able to kill a mediocre army is just retarded. Go read up on magic in the setting.

>> No.73917271

>>73917092
>>he doesn't know the Sundering or how Nagarythe's castles became Black Arks
>Castles = creating continent

>>73917256
>Asking for citations that Teclis is able to kill a mediocre army is just retarded
Because you cannot provide the source of your claim?

>> No.73917321

>>73917256
>Asking for citations that Teclis is able to kill a mediocre army is just retarded. Go read up on magic in the setting.
No U.
If he prepares some super rare macguffin and stands on some place of power for half a day while waiting for the army to come to him then maybe he can do something similar. But he could do that in WHFB too.
Meanwhile in WHFB's actual ruleset any lv4 wizard can actually do that, while you won't come close in AoS. Even if both examples were say 1000 points.

>> No.73917372

>>73917271
What's your source for the claim about Alarielles size? In particular that she's like a foot and a half tall as a full model.
You can find descriptions of spells in most armybooks, or in realm of sorcery if you'd like some more detailed ones. The 6th ed high elf armybook has a good description of Teclis and Malekith fighting, some of the ridiculous shit they get up to, and after Teclis wins the magical fight how he basically singlehandedly wins a losing battle between two fucking massive armies.

>> No.73917378

>>73917271
Now this is shitposting. He doesn't know what the sundering of uthuan did to the continent while focusing on one aspect the anon cited as a consequence.

>> No.73917401

>>73917321
No, he could do that sort of shit in both, high level mages are ridiculous. Some random army would just get mulched by a prepared wizard on the level of Teclis. There's even an example of that exact thing happening to a rather large army that I mentioned in the other reply.
He's not just going to flick his hand and delete them, sure, but magic has always been insane in warhammer. Look at what Kroak got up to back when he was alive.

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>Grail Knights aren't demigods

>> No.73917436

>>73917372
>What's your source for the claim about Alarielles size?
Her model, she is much larger than normal heroes on foot.
>>73917378
I knew what Sundering did with Ulthuan, yet still it doesn't says anything about Malekith solo creating Naggaroth from nothing with magic.

>> No.73917452

>>73917401
>No, he could do that sort of shit in both, high level mages are ridiculous.
>source: my ass

>> No.73917524

>>73917436
>from nothing
Dumb anon is dumb. Anons above already said stuff about
>muh it not from nothing so throwing a mountain is pointless lol

>> No.73917558

>>73917436
>>73917452
Not either of those but first off, many models aren't to scale. Proportions, height, all of them are off on a normal day. Next, the other guy said >>73917372
>The 6th ed high elf armybook has a good description of Teclis and Malekith fighting, some of the ridiculous shit they get up to, and after Teclis wins the magical fight how he basically singlehandedly wins a losing battle between two fucking massive armies.
So he gave a source. Does someone have the army book he described?

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i like my bone samurai tax collectors. get dabbed on boomers

>> No.73917588

>>73917436
You claimed she was the size of a greater daemon on foot. Which one? Post a photo. She's absolutely not the size of a bloodthirster or lord of change, and if she was, she'd be like a fucking foot and a half tall as a model overall.

>>73917452
I already posted a source, it's even in the message you replied to immediately before posting this. Acting like a retard is still just being a retard.

>> No.73917611

>>73917524
>>muh it not from nothing so throwing a mountain is pointless lol
Where did malekith was throwing mountains?
>>73917558
>Not either of those but first off, many models aren't to scale.
Sigmarine much larger than humans, Allarielle much larger than sigmarine.
>So he gave a source.
But he didn't, he didn't posted page from armybook or description of battle, Finnuval Planes wasn't about Malekith and Teclis obliterating armies solo. Shit Teclis wasn't soloing Chaos army when he was in Empire.

>> No.73917626

>>73917588
>You claimed she was the size of a greater daemon on foot.
And you claimed she isn't large. we all make mistakes
>I already posted a source,
Where? Did you post a page?

>> No.73917660

>>73917611
>>73917626
Retard. That's a source. Sourcing like https://researchguides.library.vanderbilt.edu/c.php?g=68805&p=442542 doesn't post the entire thing they source, just reference.

>> No.73917687

>>73917660
>Retard. That's a source.
It's not
>doesn't post the entire thing they source, just reference.
And where is that reference? "somewhere in one of 6th edition books"?

>> No.73917755

>>73917611
Finuval plains explicitly mentions it being the "seemingly unstoppable magician raining magical doom down on them" alongside Tyrion killing their standard bearer as the things that turn the entire battle from a loss into a full dark elf rout.
Literally in the paragraph before it mentions how Teclis started mulching them with magic it says "It looked as if the elves would be utterly massacred", at which point he does some fancy elf shit, fucks malekith up so badly the dude flees into the realm of chaos, and then starts shooting magic everywhere, which results in "carnage too awful to contemplate".

If you don't think that huge battle going from a high elf massacre to a decisive victory based on literally nothing but Teclis getting freed up enough to get involved is proof that he could massacre a smaller army himself, I don't know what to say. It's pg 51/52 in the pdf I'm using, no idea what actual page it is. Maybe somewhere around 65-70?

>> No.73917773

>>73917611
Anon, you're being extremely vapid. You're trying too hard to derail discussion.>>73917524 didn't say he threw mountains. He's criticizing your before claim about how he didn't make something from nothing by giving an example of a feat that would be significant even if the thrower didn't make the mountain that's thrown.

You also don't address>>73917558
>Not either of those but first off, many models aren't to scale. Proportions, height, all of them are off on a normal day
Nor do you cite anything saying Sigmarines are as significantly taller as you claim. If memory serves well, they're around the same as an average Chaos Warrior in height so they'd be somewhere 8 foot at best. Nowhere near a giant or an ogre. Finally, that's a citation. When wikias or whatever link, they don't post the entire source. Maybe just request the excerpt?

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>>73917687
>And where is that reference? "somewhere in one of 6th edition books"?
Retard doesn't know how sourcing works. You ever read the back of a book and see book names without a specific page? Even bibliographies aren't always so specific.
>>73917755
Just post the PDF or a link to it.

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>>73917773
We were talking about Alarielle unless I'm misunderstanding this post, but he's still completely wrong. She's about this size, if you take her off the mount she's clearly nowhere near as big as the bloodthirster or even Nagash. She'd be one of the biggest models GW have ever put out if she was that big, as far as I know.

>>73917821
I posted a book name and a page, I'm sure you can cope without the fucking publisher and publication year at the start, this isn't an essay. If you can't find a pdf that's literally in the OP of a thread that's up right now and is up effectively 100% of the time, I'm not going to spoonfeed you. Lurk more.

>> No.73917919

>>73917755
>Finuval plains explicitly mentions it being the "seemingly unstoppable magician raining magical doom down on them" alongside Tyrion killing their standard bearer as the things that turn the entire battle from a loss into a full dark elf rout.
>Literally in the paragraph before it mentions how Teclis started mulching them with magic it says "It looked as if the elves would be utterly massacred", at which point he does some fancy elf shit, fucks malekith up so badly the dude flees into the realm of chaos, and then starts shooting magic everywhere, which results in "carnage too awful to contemplate".
Still not a word of Teclis soloing entire army. His duel with Malekith hapenned durring champions duel
>>73917773
>Anon, you're being extremely vapid. You're trying too hard to derail discussion
Hey it's not me who claims Balthasar Gelt or karl Franz were demigods back in WHFB.
>e's criticizing your before claim about how he didn't make something from nothing by giving an example of a feat that would be significant even if the thrower didn't make the mountain that's thrown.
And this feat was..making Castle float?
>Nor do you cite anything saying Sigmarines are as significantly taller as you claim. If memory serves well, they're around the same as an average Chaos Warrior in height so they'd be somewhere 8 foot at best. Nowhere near a giant or an ogre.
And since when Chaos Warrior became "normal humans"?

>> No.73917947

>>73917821
>Even bibliographies aren't always so specific.
And such books usually written by college teachers

>> No.73917996

>>73917919
No it didn't, he was just blocking Malekiths spells during the champions duel. The armies didn't start fighting properly at all until Tyrion killed Urian. You're just explicitly lying at this stage.

Oh, also I missed this line, but there's a great line just above the part titled "The defeat of the witch king" that explicitly says that Tyrion was worth an army by himself, but that even he wasn't enough to win that battle. When Teclis got freed up though, they went from crushing defeat to almost instantly routing the entire dark elf army and winning.

>> No.73918003

>>73917919
This entire post is laughable
>Still not a word of Teclis soloing entire army
Guy just said two massive armies were fighting and that Teclis made such a difference slinging spells that it reversed the tide from High Elf BTFO to Dark Elf BTFO.
>not me
Nobody claims those two. People cited guys like Malekith and Archaon who have canonically beaten greater daemons.
>castle float
Jesus Christ, you don't know the sundering. Other guy was right.
>normal humans
He cited their height. Can you read? I've read this exchange and you've been repeatedly sidetracked by minor details, taking examples and hypotheticals in stupid ways and overall willingly misreading in the dumbest ways. Stop.

>> No.73918011

>>73915780
based painter living rent free in your head

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>>73917919
>And since when Chaos Warrior became "normal humans"?
>discussion on size
>one guy says sigmarines are about woc sized
>says their heights are about 8 foot tallest average
>thus sigmarines are around the same
>muh normal humans are 8 foot
>mfw that anon just said smaller than ogres

>> No.73918069

>>73917919
>Hey it's not me who claims Balthasar Gelt or karl Franz were demigods back in WHFB.
Who the hell said Franz? I see everyone talking about grail knights, chaos lords or named figures like malekith.

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>>73917919
>>73917996
You know what, I'll even be kind and just post a screencap for you. At the top is the part about Tyrion being worth an army, below it is Teclis being so fucking insane that he took the battle from a complete loss to a victory by himself. The little bit I couldn't screencap on the next page is just saying the dark elves couldn't really flee properly and were almost completely cut down.

>> No.73918095

>>73917905
>If you can't find a pdf that's literally in the OP of a thread that's up right now and is up effectively 100% of the time, I'm not going to spoonfeed you
I can. >>73917687 cannot. I ask that you post it for his sake.

>> No.73918097

>>73918003
>Guy just said two massive armies were fighting and that Teclis made such a difference slinging spells that it reversed the tide from High Elf BTFO to Dark Elf BTFO.
Well yeah he at least send Malekith to the Realm of Chaos.
>Nobody claims those two.
Look at the start of discussion.
>. People cited guys like Malekith and Archaon who have canonically beaten greater daemons.
And buch of terradons rocked Be'Lakor.
>you don't know the sundering.
But I knew, especially the part where dark elves used numerous sorceress including Malekith and Morathi to unbound Vortex.
>>normal humans
>He cited their height. Can you read?
Yes I can, and so I am asking since when Chaos Warriors became equal to normal humans in height?

>> No.73918124

>>73918069
>Who the hell said Franz?
But Gelt is demigod, right?

>> No.73918138

>>73918095
>>73918075

Read, friend

>> No.73918148

>>73918097
>>>normal humans
>>He cited their height. Can you read?
>Yes I can, and so I am asking since when Chaos Warriors became equal to normal humans in height
Retard anon derailing. Chaos Warriors range in many heights. Chaos Waste residents are a diverse bunch.

>> No.73918172

>>73918138
No need for me to read. I made that post before I noticed >>73918075. You cited in a way he can't refute.

>> No.73918200

>>73918172
No stress, I figured you were just him samefagging from a phone or some shit for whatever reason.

>> No.73918204

>>73918097
>Malekith to the Realm of Chaos.
More like Malekith did that to himself.
>>73915759
Mentioned Franz.
>>73915831
This one didn't.

So either your side did or nobody.

>> No.73918210

>>73918075
So with Macguffin from actual Godess Teclis can help High Elves ARMY (probably they had few mages and archmages considering it was main battle durring the dark elves invasion) turned the tide and defeat dark elves? How it's equal to AoS where the whole Death GA is nagash's proxy?
>>73918148
>Chaos Warriors range in many heights.
Yet all of them are larger than average humans, so what is your point, mentally ill?

>> No.73918218

>>73918097
>Chaos Warriors became equal to normal humans in height?
8 foot isn't normal for normal humans. How tall do you think the average chaos warrior is? Especially in contrast to malnourished peasants.

>> No.73918251

>>73918210
>So with Macguffin from actual Godess Teclis can help High Elves ARMY
Err, did you read? What asking for help did was stop Malekith. They were evenly matched.
>How it's equal to AoS where the whole Death GA is nagash's proxy?
You sure about that?
>taller
What are you blubbering about? Nobody denied they were larger. People were just saying Sigmarines are about the same size and Chaos Warriors are smaller than giants and ogres.

>> No.73918269

>>73918210
>Yet all of them are larger than average humans, so what is your point, mentally ill?
>anon who cannot read and is attempting to derail criticizes others for being mentally ill
Read>>73918046

>> No.73918295

>>73918210
It's literally a staff he carries around, if you're not counting peoples wargear for whatever arbitrary reason what are you even trying to say? They all have weapons that increase their strength, and that excerpt does go out of its way to say that he turned "HIS" energies on the armies, not Lileaths.
Nobody was claiming Teclis was as powerful as AoS Nagash, I was saying that he's insanely powerful to the point that the gap is irrelevant to just some random guy, and that insanely powerful people have always been prominent in warhammer.

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>>73918210
>can help High Elves ARMY (probably they had few mages and archmages considering it was main battle durring the dark elves invasion)
Where did it credit any mages for that feat besides Teclis? They surely existed but the excerpt highly suggests Teclis was the biggest factor, the other High Elf mages nowhere as relevant. They aren't even mentioned and it explicitly says Teclis' magic resulted in "carnage too awful to comprehend". Nobody elses.

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>>73918218
>How tall do you think the average chaos warrior is?
Fluff-wise? at least 1-2 heads taller than human

>> No.73918534

>>73918493
How tall is the average Empire citizen? I mean the lower class or middle class. Not the super well fed upper class.

>> No.73918560

>>73918534
>How tall is the average Empire citizen?
A bit shorter than average Norscan (aka marauders)

>> No.73918584

>>73918295
>Nobody was claiming Teclis was as powerful as AoS Nagash
Actually >>73915725
>How is this different to fantasy, which revolved around demigod like figures anyway?

>> No.73918600

>>73918204
>So either your side did or nobody.
But Gelt, Nagash (before ET) and Elsepth are surely are demigods?

>> No.73918647

>>73918584
Yes, I posted that so I'm pretty sure I know what I meant. I was referring to the part about how he dislikes that it just revolves around superhumans and gods. I asked how that was different in fantasy.
There was no answer to that, just autism about them not being literal demigods and then some retarded argument where you say "citation needed" for basic info.

Your inability to follow conversations, find easily found resources or understand simple sentences is no-ones problem but your own.

>> No.73918679

>>73918584
Not him but that doesn't claim so. It just claims that super powered figures do exist. We can say Tolkien too has super powered individuals like Morgoth even if most of the combatants don't consume worlds like Chaos does.

>> No.73918757

>>73918600
>Nagash (before ET)
Someone whom the entire Skaven race teamed up against and only won because of that Tomb King other guy? I'd say more than that. Nagash is one of the most powerful things in Warhammer.

>> No.73919827

>>73918647
>I asked how that was different in fantasy.
So when did Teclis made shitton of anti-chaos elven sub-races back in fantasy? he did 2 at least in AoS

>> No.73919858

>>73918757
>Someone whom the entire Skaven race teamed up against and only won because of that Tomb King other guy?
So one Tomb King mortal was able to kill Nagash with magical sword?

>> No.73920367

>>73917821
>Even bibliographies aren't always so specific.

At least when I was doing my paper, the page number was given in the citation.

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