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>> No.73361286

Fafrd and The Gray Mouser should be required reading for llaying ttrpgs.

>> No.73361310

Objectively correct.

>> No.73361697

Previous thread

>> No.73362526

Just finished this series recently. I'd give it a B+

Creative magic system, fun Napoleonic setting, and not one but two reverse traps.

Characterization could be better, unsatisfying final book

>> No.73362561

>the thousand names
>not a single one of them is "Django Wexler"

>> No.73362773

Are Light Novels considered Literature? Because if so, Konosuba and Overlord are two very cool /tg/ related series (though for VERY distinct reasons)

>> No.73362839

>overlord on the side spiral
>オーバーロード on the front cover

But for what reason

>> No.73362861

Fuck off. Get this shit out of here.

>> No.73363105

It's right on the cover. The first one.
Taylor Anderson is the second.

>> No.73363414

Finished this a little while ago. It was nicely written, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. I don't feel any drive to read further into the series.

>> No.73363562

>Are Light Novels considered Literature?

Yeah, obviously.

Contrary to what /lit/ anons will tell you, something doesn't suddenly become not literature simply because you don't like it or feel you're above it.

>> No.73363595

That's a bummer, because those books are best read as a whole.

>> No.73363605

Just bought volume 1 of this, I know nothing about Conan. What am I in for?

>> No.73363633

I'm not sure if it's a top 5 for me or anything, but it definitely had some neat, different ideas put forth. I guess it's due for a re-read.

>> No.73363732

I might circle back around to them. Logan's band were about the most interesting thing to me in the book. I'm into pic related and the Claw of the Conciliator atm.

Also starting a Mechanicus army. Thanks Leibowitz.

>> No.73363788

>tfw have to look to chink novels for post-2000s works worth a damn
Kinda sucks having to trawl through all that muck but also kinda rocks once you find a diamond and all the weird mores at the same time.

>> No.73363789

Looking for hard sci-fi books like pic related.

>> No.73363791

Sometimes I just want to unwind with some economic debate and political maneuvering.

>> No.73363845

Honestly any time it was about Glokta I was glued to it. The book ties up at the end, I'd say it's worth doing. I hate to be that guy but the first book is a lot of prepping for the "real" story of the 2nd and 3rd.

>> No.73363855

Like a good Scot I'll recommend the Culture series and Lanark

>> No.73363892

Peter Watts is misery porn to the extreme, but Blindsight is still great. Scary first contact with aliens is hard to do right, but he knocked it out of the park. Shit, it's even free on his website to read because he got into an argument with his publishers about the advertising and cover so he decided to screw them.

>> No.73364180

I'm going to put Neil Gaiman out here. From a discussion with an anon in another thread, I realized that it's 2020 and there are probably anons on here who don't remember when he was actually doing original stuff. Unfortunately he became a caricature of himself after a while and not much he's written this century is worth your time. But there's some older stuff that's absolutely worth digging up if you've got some time to kill. Few favorites:

>> No.73364212

Man, I just did not care about Neverwhere. I even sent him a message asking him what I should read since I finished Good Omens, and that was his recommendation. Turns out I like Pratchett much more than Gaiman.
Sandman is neat though.

>> No.73364257

Peter Watts is scifi horror that's scary in the way true crime reporting about serial killers is scary. Nothing quite like getting served a big pile of hypothetical things that might be horrifying about future humanity and transhumanism, and then chasing it with a bibliography that lays out in painstaking detail how almost none of those horrifying things you just read are actually hypothetical.

>> No.73364396

different strokes I guess. actually to kinda flip that, Pratchett never really did it for me. Heresy, I know, boo, hiss, etc. I read a lot of his stuff too, basically every discworld book people recommend as one of his best. All the vimes books, witches, postal, small gods, etc. They're not bad, certainly, entertaining enough; but nothing that would get the kind of hype from me that I've often heard from others. I always get this sense with his jokes that the old guy is just sort of sitting invisibly next to you, elbowing you in the ribs and winking. and I'm just thinking "stop fucking winking at me, Terry. I get the joke, and it's very funny. no need to lay it on so thick. you don't have to write the joke on a brick and hit me in the face with it." But he does. Every damn time with the brick, it feels like.

>> No.73364494

I just have to wonder what the fuck was up with even adding vampires into the whole thing.

>> No.73365063

I like the concept (in terms of how the vampire thinks, why it would have evolved that way, and why it's useful enough to resurrect), but he could have got away with not calling them "vampires" and leaving the whole crucifix glitch thing on the cutting room floor. Obviously he ended up reusing that as a major plot point in echophraxia, but in Blingsight it's just a random aside that never comes in to play. The whole idea of an obligate cannibal neanderthal that can think tactical circles around humans at the cost of having no conception of time and being non-sentient is awesome enough without trying to shoehorn it in to a vampire-shaped box.

>> No.73365173


I'd really like to know if there are any good *audiobooks* out there that are /tg/ related. I've already listened to Kingkiller Chronicles and I've almost finished the First Law trilogy (I'll probably listen to more of this series, if only because Steven Pacey is hands-down the best narrator I've ever heard). I started Locke Lamora, but I was spoiled by Steven Pacey and the narrator of that one isn't nearly as good. Same story with The Way of Kings. Everyone seems to love the shit out of Kate Reading and Michael Kramer, but I'm not a fan.

>> No.73365604

Wow, I didn't expect to see a reference to this here. What you have pictured is a prequel to the author's earlier duology, which was fabulous. It's a fantasy duology set in an Enlightenment / Age of Discovery era where magic has disappeared from the earth and is rapidly fading into legend. It's essentially a bunch of political intrigue set amongst Darwinian voyages with the mystery of what happened to the world's mages layered overtop. I have always loved them, though I wasn't as fond of the prequels.

>> No.73366652

just finished this last week, i highly recommend it, original takes, cool characters and a very clear magic system.
one of the best fantasy books I've read in a while

>> No.73366919

Thank you to the anon who recommended the Faded Sun Trilogy in the last thread. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.

>> No.73366951

>Are Light Novels considered Literature?

Yes. They're usually even worse than most YA so not worth reading, though. What western audience gets to read is usually a notch above the rest.

>> No.73367000

Swords and sandals fantasy. Some would say it's what fantasy was before Tolkien gave it modern conventions, but I don't think that's accurate.

>> No.73367009

that's a sad statement

>> No.73367053

For an idea originally based on a writing challenge (Roman legions + Pokemon) it turned out really well, and I keep a set to loan out to friends. Jim Butcher's style is very readable and he writes interesting characters. The Dresden Files are good too, but I prefer Spike (James Marsters) reading them to me.

>> No.73368226

I mean, that's half the joke. How earnestly the nudging.

Neverwhere only really hits anglofags and londonfags hard

I cannot brain your post, since American Gods is my favourite

How can there be any anons who DON'T know Sandman, Stardust, Neverwhere, Coraline, Graveyard Book...!

>> No.73368265

Nightwatch is a good novel, but it's barely a Discworld novel.

>> No.73368324

I miss Pratchetts writing so much /tg/, I never read his last book because I knew his abilities were slipping and the finality of it would just depress me. Anyone know some other good comedic fantasy series to fill the hole?

>> No.73368399

More like urban fantasy, and zany in an American way, not Pratchett's British way, but... Christopher Moore?

I absolutely love A Dirty Job, about a San Francisco psychopomp

and Lamb The Gospel According To Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal is a sex comedy that believe it or not, restored my faith as a Christian

and chuckled at The Stupidest Angel, a Christmas special parody

and Bloodsucking Fiends, a vampire urban fantasy in SF, was the first one I picked up that led me to the rest

>> No.73368541

>I never read his last book because I knew his abilities were slipping and the finality of it would just depress me.
Raising Steam or Shephard's Crown?

Raising Steam is to Snuff what Snuff is to Unseen Academicals, and UA is probably where there's really no denying things are declining.

Shephard's Crown I think he probably worked on earlier and with even more care, as he always knew it was coming (hell, he was a staunch proponent of being able to choose) - given the book's themes, it makes sense that that was where all the last of his efforts went. It's the one to read.

Raising Steam is a half ghostwritten mess, and the product of a man who's ideas and imagination want to continue far longer than he can endure, and it never quite come to terms with that (despite, or perhaps because, he'd been staring it in the face for so long) - but knowing inexorably that it's the last book he CAN ever write, he dips in cameos and tries to write a nice send off.

>> No.73368575

What are your thoughts on Andy Remic's books?

>> No.73368607

Shepherd's Crown has the hallmarks of his ghostwriter on it as well, but since the Aching series was always more linear, less comedic, and less replete with references than his other books, the difference is not so discernible

But compare SC against the Witch series and you realise how much it falls off both in concept and execution

>> No.73368962

I’ve given up on finding comedic fantasy, because most of the ones I find are either winking so much at the reader that their eyelashes have started to erode, or are the literary equivalent of lol Mario in on magic mushrooms.

>> No.73369188

you're gonna catch some shit for this. sanderson is divisive on here. but I liked it too.

>How can there be any anons who DON'T know Sandman, Stardust, Neverwhere, Coraline, Graveyard Book...!
because, as I said, it's 2020. there are anons on here who weren't even born yet when it was cool to be reading Sandman.

Terry Brooks did a comedic fantasy series a while back called Magic Kingdom For Sale that was reasonably entertaining. Playing around with Connecticut Yankee and Narnia tropes, bored earthside millionaire decides to buy a fake magic kingdom that turns out to be a real magic kingdom. Shenanigans ensue.

>> No.73369191

Have you read Grunts at all?

I think that's the best recommendation I can give honestly. There's not a lot in the comedic fantasy genre.

>> No.73369268

>no mention of Malazan

It's THE series you'd think /tg/ would obsess over with its focus on worldbuilding n shit.

>> No.73369345

>there are anons on here who weren't even born yet when it was cool to be reading Sandman
So? Majority of us weren't born yet when Dune came out, and yet

Kids these days. No sense of literature.

>> No.73369366

Some YA'ish stuff that was okay, not a big fan of the way they took some of the stuff in the second. Apparently its part of an extended universe, but fuck that

>> No.73369381

I really liked Malazan (the main series; never read the books by Esselmont) but I can also easily see why people dislike it
I'm pretty sure you need to be autistic to enjoy it

>> No.73369423

no kidding. some older grog probably recommended Dune to you. they did for me. same for vance, or moorcock probably. or any of the others. so here we are... recommending stuff.

there's nothing inherently wrong with YA. I re-read pic related a couple weeks ago for the first time since I was a kid and it was great. just because the prose is relatively simplistic doesn't mean you can't have a tightly-wound plot.

>> No.73369452

there already was an extensive love-fest for it in the previous thread you lazy chucklefuck.

See also
- Ronan the Barbarian by James Bibby, it has a meat-eating donkey called Puss in it
- the Myth- series by Robert Asprin, about an untrained magician and the demon his master summons just as he's killed
- Tom Holt and his various books
Those are the comic fantasy stand-outs for me, none are as good as TP but then he was in a class of his own.

>> No.73369481

God I wish Locke Lamora hadn't started going the direction it has.
What's wrong with just focusing on a sassy dick ass conman? Why you got to make him a bullshit lich?

>> No.73369514

Problem readers have with Malazan and usually cannot put into words is that it's NOT character driven. Which is the exact opposite of how modern fantasy is written. Entire cast should basically be treated secondary support characters in service of major storylines.

>> No.73369527

anon, that's a 1984 book. when people say "YA sucks" they're referring to modern takes which have kinda become their own thing.

>> No.73369556

I'm unironically enjoying these.

>> No.73369561

sounds like a harry potter problem to me

>> No.73369660

Harry Potter is nowhere near, because of its roots in Blytonesque boarding school books

For a painfully accurate summation of modern YA, look at what Oglaf has to say


>> No.73369695

Lackey and that whole crowd of 80s/90s female fantasy writers are pretty comfy. Shame the genre got swamped by edge and still hasn't really gotten clear of it.

>> No.73369718

That would have been my father. He showed me the pages about Jamis's funeral, and said it was one of the most touching things he'd read. I claimed the book for myself and read it nonstop for the next 3 days, much to the ire of my teachers.

I'm glad I was born into a family of voracious readers, and became one myself. I never realised how extraordinary they were until recently; when I was a kid I went to a friend's house and he showed me the little closet-sized room they had turned into a reading room, paved with Japanese tatamis and lined floor to roof with books. When I came home I wondered aloud why we didn't have anything like that.

Fast forward 2 decades, and now I realise in my youthful blindness I just didn't see that most every room in our house had cupboards and shelves and stacks of books lying around. We didn't have a "reading room" because every room was a reading room...!

>> No.73369820

I swear to god modern female authors just branched out from smut softcore romances and started spreading that shit everywhere.

>> No.73369841

The erosion of platonic friendship is an utter cancer upon all works of fiction.

>> No.73369843

Best fantasy book I've read in my life. Never translated in English, unfortunately.

>> No.73369902


>> No.73369903

Oh yeah

Moreso now that same-sex relationships are now open to interpretation, and there will always be That Girl insisting it's not platonic...

>> No.73369930

I love her work

>> No.73369992

desu some of the urbfantasy i most enjoy is written by women nominally writing romance stuff, it's pulpy as fuck, but the Kate Daniels series has smut intermingled with armour made of magic-infused blood, a were-badger named Dr Doolittle and a bunch of necromancers who run a casino to fund their research into what makes vampires tick.
Or there's Patricia Briggs where relationship drama happens in the same book as a werewolf uses the metal poles from street signs to javelin a troll in the junk.

It's surprising what you find when you roll the dice on 2nd hand books.

>> No.73370062

How's the Dresden Files? How do they stack up vs Laundry Files?

>> No.73370087

I very much liked the ones for the original Thrawn trilogy. The narrator even manages to do pretty good impression of the movie cast characters voices.

>> No.73370119

First two books are clearly a first time author’s work, and have some pretty awkward dialogue on top of making some of the supposedly sympathetic characters pretty unkillable.
Three is a lot better, and the series has a pretty stable quality by book five, with a few hiccups recently.
Fortunately you actually have to read the first two books, because one of the author’s quirks is to assume every book can work as a stand-alone, meaning context from earlier novels is usually added in. It’s useful if you’re picking it up after a while, but if you binge them it can get very irritating.

I’d say get the audiobooks to make the first ones more tolerable, but the company they had before penguin apparebtly had an editor that was drunk on the job, because the audio quality varies wildly, and there’s some truly bizarre breaks in conversation where the retakes weren’t put in properly.

>> No.73370146

Thanks, that's very helpful. I won't bother with audiobooks, I speedread fast.

>> No.73370152

To clarify, the audiobooks are pretty high quality from book 5 and beyond. He passes the shouting test which I partially judge narrators on (I.E he’s actually willing to do it, rather than just speaking loudly in a normal voice)

>> No.73370545

>sample seems alright
>reviews are good
>narration turns out to be only good in that context, doesn’t change inflection at all and turns out to be shit half an hour in
And that’s how I learned to ignore audible reviews.
On that subject, is spellmonger any good? It seems a long enough series to keep me busy for a whole and has decent reviews, but as I mentioned, I’d rather trust a group of screaming chimps than audible reviews.

>> No.73370637


I liked the first book, the subsequent books aren't as good imho.
But they're not bad.

I humbly offer China Miéville as one of my personal favourites.

>> No.73370641

Wexler is usually a jewish name so the book title is appropriate

>> No.73370655

Wizard Noir with extra pop culture and a very Good Dog vs that very particular post-war British thing of the world being a bit crap but still worth fighting for

For the best similar things I recommend
- The Rook/Stiletto by Daniel O'Malley which is about the magic mutant secret agency of Britain versus belgian/dutch gene-alchemists, also featuring bunnies, vampires and anomalous scottish crab-zombies
- Hunter's Moon/Eagle Rising by David Devereux, which're basically the old school bit-of-a-bastard James Bond if he was a bard and worked counter-intelligence. Has the starkness of the Laundry but with more explosions and sex.

>> No.73370737

That's something that sets off a friend of mine, ever since the LotR movies renewed Frodo x Sam ships. He once burst out in a lit class when a girl if letters between two soldiers meant they were gay.

>> No.73370741

We were talking mieville a little bit end of last thread. He gets pretty mixed reactions on here, although I personally like a lot of his stuff.

>> No.73370794

>How's the Dresden Files?
I'm more than halfway through the series and I'd rate it an enjoyable/10. Nothing particularly extraordinary, though nothing offensively bad either. It's just pulpy fun
> How do they stack up vs Laundry Files?
Haven't read those.

>> No.73370831

I also didn't enjoy this "reveal". Worst case scenario, it turns out to be helpful/important and feels like a cop out. Best case scenario it isn't relevant, and so why add it in?

But I found it pretty easy to overlook, as the rest of the third books was really good Though it may just be the shipfag in me talking .
The second book though just felt like an enormous filler arc.

>> No.73370900

So what's it about, don pardon?

>> No.73370933

Surprisingly beautiful prose.

>> No.73370948

My only Kim Stanley Robinson that I've read is Shaman - a coming of age story set in Neolithic France, using our best knowledge of life amongst Neolithic hunter gatherers. Very cool.

>> No.73370978

>became a caricature of himself
I blame his marriage to a hipster proto-SJW. But yeah, dude is a case of arrested development in the "oh-so-sensitive oh-so-artistic goth kid" phase of life.

>> No.73370984

Why are "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" (1) and "So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish" (4) the only good books in this series?

>> No.73371027

What are you talking about? So Long had like one funny joke at the end.

>> No.73371045

I remember when Gaiman wrote (on Comic Book Legal Defense Fund I think) defending obscene comics, including lolicon and shotacon. He said that as someone from UK, the idea that all speech and artistic expression was protected under out constitution was amazing and that those things should be defended because it would erode speech. I wonder if he'd still do it today.

>> No.73371070

> i'm new here
Why is sanderson divisive?

>> No.73371074

The second book felt like a reskinned boat version of the first
>crew has a scheme
>gets derailed almost immediately in the book
>they get fucked by someone they had no realistic chance of avoiding
>initial scheme gets sidelined by a different (and in this case less interesting) plot
>they come together at the end to screw the person who screwed them
>end up with practically nothing and Locke is fucked up

>> No.73371085

I never said it was the funniest, just good. While the others seemed too random and quirky (An absurdist book is random, what a shocker!), So Long at least tried to have a cohesive narrative, and it worked.

>> No.73371113

Sanderson's writing is very much in the vein of RPG sourcebooks. He's really good at writing cool magic systems, ways of interlinking a lot of different worlds, and making it fit together like a huge puzzle. He's also really terrible at writing dialogue, of thinking through the consequences of his magical systems on people, and in general making his characters act like anything other than 20th century middle class Americans, despite the fact that they shouldn't, having grown up in vastly different cultures.

Some people really like what he does. Other people really hate it. Ergo, he's divisive.

>> No.73371132

And while the whole boat thing in the middle felt like filler for the actual heist, the whole book felt like filler, as the characters end the First book and start the Third one at pretty much the same situation.
And by god did the boat part get exhausting at times. Looks like the author got his hands on a nautical dictionary and was trying to show off jus how many names he could throw at us.

>> No.73371227

Have you got any recs for material that can help in writing prose from the first person perspective of a machine?

>> No.73371243

Robot Visions would be a good choice.

>> No.73371343

Ignore the medium pic related was posted on. The guy's point encapsulates one of the most common things people dislike about Sanderson's writing.
Sanderson is heavily into magic systems and it shows. Supposedly he even comes up with them first and then tries to make stories in which he gets to use the magic he came up with rather than the other way around. If you feel interested in reading his thoughts on them check out https://www.brandonsanderson.com/sandersons-first-law/

>> No.73371393

i've avoided him like the plague due to what he did to WoT, if he writes his own stories like that his big problem is being horribly flat and bland when it comes to describing pretty much anything.

>> No.73371487

I read mistborn and other. And Ilike 7/10. In my country sand is top ranked fantasy books.
I prefer WOT

>> No.73371589

>After ten hours of fighting, when I saw the blaze of the Shah’s fleet from one end of the horizon to the other, I told myself: “Benvenuto, matey, you pulled your ole’ carcass from some huge kind of shitpile.”

>Under the command of my boss, the podestà Leonide Ducatore, the galleys of the Republic of Ciudalia had just crushed the squadrons of the Sublime Sovereign of Ressina. Victory was in our clutches, and I thought the most part of the storm had gone by. Wrong, wrong move, Benvenuto. To win a war is a cute thing, but when you need to share the spoil among the victors, you realize the final blow to the opponent was only the appetizer. When those triumphant nobles are schemers rotten with ambition and pride, the sharing is the very moment when people scramble for the spoils. You come to regret the good old pitched battles, the neat and codified onslaught, the art of war. From now on, to nab the jackpot, the knives are drawn at the family dinner. That’s fortunate: knives are a thing I know rather well...

>> No.73371634

Well, credit where credit is due, his magic systems are really well developed and fun. And the guy is able to integrate them into his combat scenes pretty well.

>> No.73371663

So post-war political scheming in a renaissance-esque setting? I dig it
Shame I don't speak croissant

>> No.73371718

So basically, the book is a fusion of two books: Janua Vera, a collection of short stories presenting the universe created by the author (litterally all of them are absolute top tier), and Gagner la Guerre, a book that is a sequel to one of Janua Vera's short stories. The protagonist is Benvenuto Gesufal, spymaster and bodyguard of the Podestà Leonide Ducatore, one of the most illustrious figures of the Republic of Ciudalia, which has just won a long war against a foreign nation. The time has come to share the spoils among the various senators, patricians and generals who took part in the war, and the epic naval battles give place to plots, betrayals, assassinations and twisted political maneuvers to emerge richer and more influential than ever from the post-war period.

Incredibly well written, amazing characters and plot, fascinating setting, litterally a 10/10 book. It always amazes me that the comic adaptation of the book has already been translated in several languages but not the book in itself.

>> No.73371816

I feel like we don't get enough Renaiscance fantasy. Other than Gentleman Bastards and >>73371718, anyone have any recommendations?

>> No.73371863

I enjoy the Slayers light novels. They're like AD&D adventures. Not great by any means but enjoyable enough.

>> No.73371866

I recommended it last thread, but Seventh Decimate is kind of on the borderline of Renaissance to the Early Modern period. A lot of Moorcock's stuff is also Renaissance set, including the original Erekose story, as well as The War Hound and the World's Pain.

>> No.73372014

Powder Mage series (not technically the renaiscance), but it does have a nice revolution and all the fuckery that comes from that.

>> No.73372036

Is this isekai?

>> No.73372068

Is the second trilogy (Gods of blood and powder) better than the first? I enjoyed PM, though not enough to continue reading if the second series isn't a bit better.

>> No.73372099


anyone got em in Epub to share?

>> No.73372117

Do you like Mad Ben Styke and want more of him and his band of crazy lancers, if yes they are worth a read imo.
The first and second books are mainly about intrigue from what I recall, and I quite like the main character for those sections personally. Ending was pretty predictable though, so YMMV.

>> No.73372140

Not exactly. John Daker is an explicitly earth man, and he does get translated into a fictional setting, but the identity he has in the fantasy world, that of Erekose, overwrites his original personality more and more the longer he's there. It doesn't have the sort of "modern man in a fantasy world" sort of thing that most Isekai has and I kind of view as an essential aspect of it.

>> No.73372244

I'm going to try self-publishing a collection of short stories this summer, folks.
Wish me luck.

>> No.73372250

self-publishing is very risky. Good luck bro!

>> No.73372261

I have this really weird relationship with Gaiman. some of his stuff is freking excellent and some is just meh.

That and everytime I read an interview or a statement of his I just get ticked off; not even sure why.

That being said, I still pick up most of his stuff, since there is usually something worthwhile in there.

As for Neverwhere, it was kinda underwhelming. Would have worked much better as a collection of loosely connected short stories.

>> No.73372277

Let us know when it's out

>> No.73372290

Good luck.

>> No.73372329

Fuck no m8 that would just lead to more murderhobos.
Books are good if you want osr game of adventures adventuring but not if you want to have anything more than that.

>> No.73372443

I'll add it to my TBR then, at least the first one.
It's not like I already have 30+ books to read or anything

>> No.73372470

Do they have an overarching theme/setting?

>> No.73372524

Remember how American Gods was great and how the follow up stories were ass and made the story dumber in retrospect?

Anansi Boys is pretty great though.

>> No.73372829

I can really recommend getting a kindle/other brand since they makes so it easy to find time to read Which can backfire hard if you like me 'accidently' binge Malazan in around 3 days and get nothing else done.

I really enjoyed American Gods and Ananasi Boys, but I did not like Good Omens. I actually stopped at 80-90% and it took me some months to force myself to finish it. And I like my Pratchett Books too, so it shouldn't be that.

>> No.73372952

>getting a kindle
Way ahead of you chief. I've had my kindle for about 3-5 months quarantine time is relative and considering I save about 5 bucks per book, it's almost paid itself.
But yeah, it was a great purchase and I second this recommendation to other anons.

>> No.73373040

The Eternal Champion was my introduction to Moorcock, I loved it, that part in the beginning of next book, Phoenix in Obsidian where he fucking freaks out and begs not to be sent away from Ermizhad was surprisingly emotional. I wish Moorcock had continued Erekoses story, part of me actually hopes he found her again.
It's a shame because Moorcock has been very underwhelming from what I've read afterwards, he has great ideas but I started to get bored of Von Bek and The Elric saga just feels, dry? I'm not sure how to describe it. Might move on to Corum or Hawkmoon.

>> No.73373144

This one is fun, good world-building, and nice fights.

>> No.73373193

The Count Brass trilogy (which is sort of a sequel to Hawkmoon) does continue Erekose's story. And IIRC, The Dragon in the Sword continues Erekose's saga (although it's actually written much later than most of the rest, after the "end" of it) while listed as one of the Von Beks, does have Von Bek as more of a sidekick to Erekose.

But if you want to find out what happens to him, read the Count Brass stuff.

>> No.73373507

Thanks Anon

>> No.73373630

>id not like Good Omens. I actually stopped at 80-90% and it took me some months to force myself to finish it. And I like my Pratchett Books too, so it shouldn't be that.
Can you pinpoint what was bugging you?

>> No.73373736

For me, Thud! was the last great discworld book. There's some okay stuff in the ones that came after it, but that was the last one that knocked it out of the park.

>> No.73373785

Is the rest of Alastair reynolds's stuff worth reading? Only read the Revelation Space stuff.
Good taste.

>> No.73373921

Since it was maybe 7-8 years ago, not in specifics I'm afraid. From what I can remember: while it was funny, I just never got into it or felt any real anticipation over getting to the conclusion of the story.

I bought mine in 2014 and going by my ebook library, of which I've read 90+%, I've gone through 900ish books since then.
Still regret the time I wasted reading Sword of Truth up to Faith of the Fallen mind you. Looking back I'm very confused over how I lasted so long.

>> No.73374363

I still like UA a lot.
It got some flaws (like Nut being a tad too perfect to be interesting and the social commentary being a bit more on the nose), but it's still a great story.

>> No.73374398

> 900ish books
That's about 3 books a week, every week. Either you're the mega NEET we all strive to be, or bullshitting us. I hope you're the first and living your best life

>> No.73374675

This was a good one, fuck what half of fa/tg/uys say. It seemed like it appealed strongly to young adult readers but I really liked how everything wrapped up neatly in the end. There's a good few long-term "a-ha" moments.

>> No.73374809

Three books a weeks seems about right overall, looking at my average of slighty less than 6 books per week for this year so far, 155 out of 169. So I got the reading part solidly squared away in my life.
Murderbot Diaries are great series for that matter.

>> No.73375128

Sheepfarmer's Daughter was a fun read, and I'm making my way through the second book. Girdsmen are pretty rad, too, so far as I've seen.

The Earthsea books should be on here, too.

>> No.73375325

is this low or high fantasy?

>> No.73375617

Pretty low. Magic is subtle and revolves around illusions and curses. You won't see fireballs and healing spells. Also magic has a very high cost and magicians are extremely rare. Most pretend to be astrologers or physicians.

>> No.73375755

The Ocean At the End of the Lane is my favorite of his novels. It is however clear that his greatest success is behind him, and it is Sandman.

>> No.73375849

Trying reading Science of the Disc 4 Judgement Day.
Shit feels like it's 110% ghostwritten, like as if Pratchett didn't even dictate any part of it.

>> No.73376311

>all the other books had an even science and discworld ratio
>4 has a barely novella size discworld aspect, with barely any of that actually focusing on the bits you care about
>also Sally has apparently jumped from lance jack to captain

>> No.73376482

I cannot understand why Murderbot Diaries are as popular as they are. They are very generic fare. Maybe it's just how short they are, and the length lets more people read them.

>> No.73376813

> 6 books per week
Teach me master.
Now during the endtimes I am barely reading more than a book per week, and my fastest was a ~700 page book (Book 3 of the Foundation series) in 20 ish hours, and that was a fucking feat.
Also, if those books are from the seven seas, care to inform a fellow seaman where to find some?

>> No.73377240

Thanks! I'll put them on the list.

He's always been a proto-SJW artiste himself.

What an idiot. It's not video games in general, it's the Western world which doesn't believe anything unless it's dressed up in (apparent) science.


>> No.73377362

Personally, I like them because they are in essence short, sweet and a joy to read. The whole "misantrophic, just leave me the hell alone, why are you causing so much problems that I have to deal with?" was well done and worked well with the setting/story imo. I'll freely admit that I think the latest, aka the full lenght novel, was the weakest.

Make a habit of bringing your kindle/whatever with you constantly so you can read on any public transportation, break, or waiting for a stupid incubation time to finish. I rarely leave home without mine. As for actual reading speed make sure the letter size is correct so you can look in the middle of the sentence and read it in its entirety. No need to drag your eyes across from edge to edge. There should be a few books on how to become a better/faster reader, since from what I recall most of us still read at a gradeschool level.

Mobilism is where I start my navigation, and if that doesn't yield some booty I head on to 1lib[dot]eu. I wouldn't be able to fuel my addiction any other way..

>> No.73377745

Thanks for the tips. I do realize now that I spend a lot of time doing other things (like this for example) while I could be reading.

And if yer treasure map is good, soon I'll be having more booty than I can read

>> No.73378136

Go check out /lit/, matey. I'm serious.
>and that's all the treasure map ye be getting from me

I probably read as much as other anon, but probably not as much as a cute girl I bumped into regularly at the library checking out a dozen novels a month. Where there's a will, there's a way anon. For me it was the 2-hour commute on the Tube to and from work, plus a lifetime's reading even before that. Heck, I read less nowadays, simply because I'm feeling there's less new stuff in the world worth reading any more. It was different back then, when there were still loads of Old Masters to cover.

>> No.73378995

>check out /lit/,
What? Using a board for what it's intended? What is this reddit? But yeah, I'll go check it out. There's a lot of assholes there, but there's some good people as well from what I've seen/heard

> For me it was the 2-hour commute on the Tube to and from work
I mean, when I was going to college I always got at least 2 hours every day on the train, plus one hour at night. But now that I'm home all the time it's harder to focus on reading

>> No.73379195

>you call yourself a pirate
read the sticky

>now that I'm home all the time it's harder to focus on reading
Lol yeah. Is it the old problem of everyone ringing you up because you're apparently available? You fix that by simply being N/A from x time to y time, regardless of physical presence. I've been WFH for the past couple of years, and it's really the only way to get anything done.

>> No.73379473

> read the sticky
I'm beyond retarded

> Is it the old problem of everyone ringing you up because you're apparently available?
Not really, mostly just me being a retarded ass and getting distracted by stuff like youtube and 4chan and staring at my computer.
Though I'll try to fix that now that I've been inspired by you anons.

>> No.73380053

Cheers, happy sailing

>distracted by stuff like youtube and 4chan and staring at my computer
Still am to this day. But a lot less now than when I started. Just takes practice (and a dozen times getting my ass kicked racing for deadlines)

>> No.73382332

If I liked Wildbow's stuff what are some other books I might enjoy? I'm looking for a good blend of action, characterization, and horror

>> No.73383494

I hope someone might be able to point me in the right direction, because I'm at a loss, and I figure this is as good a thread as any to ask in.

When I was a wee lad still in grade school, my mom had this set of books, all hardback and bound in a type of felt or velveteen fabric. Each book was filled with all sorts of stories, tales, and legends from all across the globe, all oriented on specific subject. One book had gods, another legends and myths, another had legendary figures, heroes, and demigods, so on and so forth. I used to love the shit out of them, and when I moved out, I never thought about them until a couple months ago when I asked about them, and my mom said that she tossed them away a while ago because of water damage.

I can't remember what the series was called, I can't remember who wrote them, and I can't even remember what individual books in the series were called. I've been trying to track them down by using general names for whatever the relative subject matter would be, but all the attempts have come up short. Outside of the subject matter being things that inspire stories and games themes, I know they aren't exactly /traditional games/ books, but my only other option would be to go to /lit/ and lets face it, they're too busy circle jerking philosophy and the like to help, and I didn't want to waste a thread on worksafe requests on what is likely a doomed venture, but the knowledge the books had used to inspire the shit out of me when I was a kid and I'm just trying to regain that. Any help at all would mean the world to me

>> No.73383583

Shit man, I wish I could help you, but I don't think I've ever seen anything like this (Epsecially sicne I'm not from the US).

Wish you good luck on finding these books though.

>> No.73383661

Been reading this series. It’s an easy read meant for kids but it’s pretty comfy and has some neat ideas worth stealing for a campaign.

>> No.73383763

Unsurprising. I had a few sets like them too, also lost. Real pity.

There's a collection of short stories which were really good, that I lost, that I cannot find to this day. I can only remember 4 of the stories that were in it, but they were so good they stick in my mind to this day.

The 1st was about a boy who goes to see someone about the theory of past lives. He is put under by hypnosis, and awakens the personality of a dead teen London body snatcher, who tricks the doc into letting him go without reverting to the original boy.

The 2nd I remember is about a cop chasing a London murderer who ends up crushed by the reconnecting leaves of Tower Bridge.

The 3rd is about a guy who smuggles people across the Berlin Wall, who carries out that One Last Job with predictable consequences.

The 4th is a scifi about an "Eastpakt" cyborg sent to assassinate the president of the not!NATO at a ball game. (As you can see, these stories are quite dated.)

I can't remember the rest. I really wish I could find this book again. A lot of the concepts in it whooshed over my head at the time I had it.

>> No.73383801

The first story sounds really familiar for some reason

>> No.73383979

I have a question about Way of Kings.

I heard that there were two drastically different versions. One released in 2007 and the other released in 2010. My question is: Is the audiobook for Way of Kings based on the first version or the second?

>> No.73384739

Probably not exactly /tg/ type books, but i recently read through James Rollins' Sigma Force. Basically similar to Tom Clancy novels, but instead of strictly special forces type soldiers, they're former military working for DARPA as mostly off the books special agents cross-trained in various scientific fields. Scientists with guns essentially is how they're described. The author will take some sort of scientific anecdote/fact, use historical theory that might point to said science thing, and just run with it. Pretty good series, and is pretty information dense when it comes to trying to accurately and reliably portraying all sorts of shenanigans

>> No.73384766

I agree totally. Echopraxia was unreadable for me.

>> No.73384956

You'll find everything in emule

>> No.73385094

Also a more elegant way to put it would have been a posthuman built scavenging old neanderthal gene code.

Apart from the name "vampire" the novel was a blast to read! So full of phylophical and science stuff, very thought compelling.

>> No.73385175

Everything's a /tg/ book. It's not like we all just play fantasy.

>> No.73385221

>Go check out /lit/, matey. I'm serious.
Why do you hate him so?

>> No.73385377

Shit's great.

>> No.73385430

I remember being annoyed at the trilogy’s ending but I can’t remember why

>> No.73385458

because the ending was literally god stepping in to fix everything because they asked nicely.

>> No.73385465

I'd just like to read some good fantasy that's not a part of series of even trilogy. All authors seem to feel this need to go balls deep into a long running narrative.

>> No.73385481

What anons think about the Assassin saga by Robin Hobb?

I've read the first 2 books in the past and used to like them. Then in my adulthood I read them again and now I'm stuck at half 3rd book.
My issue with them is that they seem to be addressed to depressed people. Fuck, I have enough shit in my life. I hate over-the-top mary-sueism heroes and like grim settings, but the whole Fitz's life seems to be a depressed people's life (until now at least...does it get better? Does the character grow into a more adult person?).

>> No.73385756

ehm...I mean FARSEER saga

>> No.73385915

>superpowered special forces

Yeah, that was a nascent thing a lot of novelists were trying until MCU utterly took over that genre and killed it to death

Yeah. I for one only play scifi

Follow the thread, anon... thar be treasure here if ye be savvy

>> No.73386172

If you mean the book, yeah, it's not a great book at all. But the tv series was something I stayed up late to watch. Much more interesting than the book.

>> No.73386198

Definitely not accurate. There was a lot of fantasy before Tolkien, and not just the stuff that is still called faery tales.

>> No.73386245

Quit after reading a quarter of the first book, it was so boring.

>> No.73386252

Romance of the Three Kingdoms. It's a little bit longer than some other novels but it's well worth the time it takes to read.

>> No.73386297

Dragons of Autumn Twilight and the other two books in that trilogy. There are a few other really good Dragonlance books and short stories but ask for guidance because TSR started choosing quantity over quality.

>> No.73386313

What is this shit and why do I see it popping up everywhere?

>> No.73386384

Any good anthology/short story collections? It's not really on topic but I recently read a couple of Stephen King's short collections and I'm hungry for more bite sized stories.

>> No.73386441

Check out Sum: Forty Tales from the Afterlives. Exactly what it says in the title and they're bite sized, usually just enough to explore the idea.

>> No.73386590

it has little action, that little action is very realistic with true consequences (an arrow in the back? OUCH!)...and I'm ok with it.

I'm also OK with the focus on characters instead of heroism...

but hell, the fact that Robin Hobb is actually a woman writing is evident: main character is so emotional and depressed, literally paralized by hiw own feelings.

He practically sucks cocks and eat shit crying here and there for the main part of the novels until the chance for heroism and retaliation happens.
And I'm not totally against this. I mean: considered his story and his life is understandable and those redemption moments are really really valid!

Until the 3rd book where he starts a mission on his own like an angry stupid child and spoils it badly like a angry repressed player of my group used to do, screwing things here and there bacause he's right and others are wrong.
I couldn't stand it. It's an understandable reaction from him, but too much for me to enjoy. 2 books sucking cocks and the 3rd as an agry child? Offff...it requirs too much patience from my side to enjoy reading that stuff.

>> No.73386651

Just read this. A collection of really fun stories that get the imagination going. Lots of crazy ideas and vivid imagery. Mieville is pretentious as ever, but in short form prose it bleeds through less

>> No.73386653

It's not what your mother had, being a single tome rather than a set of books, but you could see if you could find Brewer's Dictionary Of Phrase And Fable. It's what it says on the tin: a sort of dictionary of mythical stuff and legends. Might scratch a similar itch.

>> No.73386667

I heard that this author's next project was to write a ttrpg in his setting. I can't fucking wait, this dude already wrote the best LotR ttrpg (never translated).

>> No.73386716

"Row! Row!;The tide is against us
Row! Row!; But God is for us!"

>> No.73386729

Eh. Poor Fitz does go through some rough times, and I know what you mean about him getting shit on by life for much of the books. He does mature in the 2nd trilogy, but always has a bit of an impulsive side, and life continues to shit on him.

Does Fitz ever get happiness? Well, that depends how much you're willing for me to spoil.

>> No.73386800

No spoiler please. I hate how much he goes full "angry emotional child" in the 3rd book.
Should I keep faith and continue reading past those events?

>> No.73386898

The game in book one where the players draft creature parts to make Gladiator monsters has stuck with me for twenty years.

>> No.73386906

Not sure if that's "no spoiler, please" or "no, spoiler please" but fortunately 4chan has an inbuilt thingy for this.

Fitz at the end of the first trilogy: Just kind of fucks off to live innawoods with his wolf. Never gets recognition at court for all he did for the kingdom, still remembered as the witted bastard.
Fitz at the end of the second trilogy: More getting shat on by life. Having saved the day a second time, still without much recognition, Fitz settles down with his childhood love Molly. If you don't like seeing him beaten down then stop here, as here he ends with a contented life (literally the last line is "I am content". Also, that way you'll never get tempted to read the dragon tamers series, which IMO was rubbish.
Fitz at the end of the final trilogy: Fitz and Molly have a daughter, Bee, who we later learn is a white prophet. Then Molly dies, because Fitz does not get nice things, and Bee gets kidnapped. Fitz does finally get to reveal himself at court though, and briefly lives as a noble before going on a rescue mission. After rescuing Bee, Fitz is mortally wounded, and goes and carves himself a stone dragon like wot Verity did (though his is a wolf, because of course it is). At the very end Fitz and the Fool go into the dragon and it awakens.

>> No.73386955

Realised I didn't answer your other question. I did enjoy all of the various Fitz books, but they are hard work at times. That oppressive/depressing air never really goes away, and you're going to get plenty more if you do stick with the series. I'd say finish the book you're on if you can, as a lot of the shittiness in that trilogy should now be done. But, from what a hard time you've had I maybe wouldn't start the next Fitz trilogy, as you'll get more of the same.

>> No.73387080

Thank you, the reply I needed! :)

>> No.73388016

I was staggered by how much the adaption of stardust was altered from the book, and even more by how much my usual autism didn’t give a shit and enjoyed it.
It wasn’t quite as butchered as say Artemis Fowl, but it was almost entirely superficially related

>> No.73388044

Reeve the Just and Other Tales.

>> No.73388065

>It wasn’t quite as butchered as say Artemis Fowl
Is that out yet?

>> No.73388404

It came out Thursday before last.
Train wreck is the only way to describe it

>> No.73388458

Saw the trailer and was kinda stonished.
It was like looking back at the early Odds, when studios would just slkap IP names on almost unrelated movies.

>> No.73388544


>> No.73388621

It’s an absolutely bizarre adaption.
There have been plenty of book adaptions that fucked up due to incompetent addition/removal of pivotal scenes, but this one seemed to take pains to obliterate everything about the source material
>Artemis is a surf/skateboarding normal kid who isn’t particularly intelligent, isn’t a criminal and knows nothing about fairies
>Butler tells people to call him Dom, and that he’ll kill them if they call him Butler
>root for gender bent
>Holly is friendly almost from the start
>Mulch is a giant man sized dwarf
>the troll fight is just them running from it until it eventually collapses on Butler
>Juliet is a glorified maid
I have absolutely no idea what the fuck they were thinking

>> No.73388831

The Malazan series(es) are probably my favorite fantasy books at the moment, but I'm fully aware you probably need to be a special kind of autist to really get into them.

>Grimdark in a more grounded way than "bad things happen because fuck you"
>Excellent internal consistently
>A massive cast of characters who still manage to be distinct from each other

I probably wouldnt have liked them as much if I wasn't such a misanthropic fuck in the first place mind you.

>> No.73389017

Don't read too much too fast. I got a bunch of Conan stuff about a year ago and I devoured it. I wish I had taken more time with the stories or used them to break up whatever else I was reading because the format and descriptions can easily become repetitive if you burn through them. That said, they were a ton of fun to read. Conan and the Fafhrd/Mouser stories are great because you're getting some of the most fundamental inspo for the shit you've seen 1,000 times in RPG's.

>> No.73389101

Rippling abs
Iron thewed thighs
Conan constantly stripping down to just a loincloth for various reasons.
No homo though.

>> No.73390023

I mean, Gaiman is arguably THE proto-hipster. The people who were touting Sandman as literature in the early 90s are the exact same ones who'd evolved in to hipsters proper by the turn of the millennium. And depending on how viscous your particular fluid definition of SJW is, he was probably always one of those too. Not that he'd fit the original non-ironic definition, I don't think, but neither would his wife.

He places world building before character and story. Some people like that, some don't. Arguably that's the same issue Mieville has, although in that case I think it's a little less clear cut.

>> No.73390065

>but neither would his wife.
They divorced.
Probably found a younger alt-chick, same as the first time.

>> No.73390120

You were? I was staggered by how close they stuck to the book. I've seen a lot of books to movies over the years. Some of them, you're lucky if even the character names make the trip.

>> No.73390172

Recent years have shown that sticking close to the source material will make nerds go see your movie.

>> No.73390296

Well it is also christian/10 in the sense that everybody deserves forgiveness, especially (You) that is really neat to read in a "mainstream" fantasy novel.

It felt refreshing in the same way that Book of the New Sun was filled with catholic symbolism without shoving it in your face.

>> No.73390330

Echophraxia was full of cool concepts just like Blindsight was. The difference is that in the second book they never really cohere. Part of what makes Blindsight so great is that all those random facts he's been feeding you the whole book end up becoming critical to the climax and epilogue. There's almost nothing that's in there for no reason, it's all very efficient. Echophraxia has a lot of stuff that just leaves you wondering "well what the hell was THAT all about!?" You get big Ideas thrown at you like using engineered cancer to rebuild living organisms on the fly, and then he just doesn't do anything with it.

>> No.73390338

He was both

They were in an open relationship anyway, as typical of their kind. He probably fucked more than everyone in this thread combined.

>> No.73390471

<= Marshes of Mount Liang
Bunch of criminals ,ranging from Lawful Evil to full on Chaotic Evil with one or two basically decent people still cannibals and mass murderers stuck in between, find themselves as rebels to corrupt empire defending themselves against the attacks while robbing the rich, murdering unfaithful wives and massacring cities.

Also Suikoden series is this but fantasy and JRPG.

>> No.73390472

>They were in an open relationship anyway

>> No.73390593

That book is some hardcore portag oriented morality. It's like Liu Bei being the good guy despite screwing over everyone of his benefactors, the only difference is that now it's "well, everyone knows Official X is corrupt, so I'm really doing the Emperor a service by massacering these soldiers working for him."

Still fun though; lots and lots of swearing.

>> No.73390655

"Divorce" for them is just like "not dating any more" for us

>> No.73390678

I like it alot and want people to talk about it more, I'm almost finished book 9 in the main batch and have read the first 3 Esslemont books as well. The world building is enthralling and so many of the concepts are really interesting. None of my friends reading has me conflicted cause I want people to talk about it with, but them not knowing it means I have free reign to rip shit from it to use as a DM.

Without a doubt

In a sense yeah, individual arcs of the story are pretty character driven, but their arent "main characters" in the sense of a singular protagonist or group that recurs in every novel, which I guess is a little jarring for most people. But to me they are written almost more like novelized history books, and history doesnt have a single recurring MC.

>> No.73390686

Sure it is.

>> No.73390731

t. Hentai Expert

>> No.73390882

>Malazan in 3 days
Bruh that's a fuck ton of reading to do in 3 days

>> No.73390953

I mean, a regular reader can finish one of these books in 6-8 hours of dedicated reading. Considering this guy seems to be a professional reader/autist, he could do it in 4 hours. That ends up at 40 hours of reading. Split over 3 days, it's about 13 hours of reading per day, which is pretty feasible considering a) he's a neet and b) he's autistic enough to maintain focus on reading for 13 hours every day.

>> No.73391056

My favorite of Brandon Sanderson

>> No.73391100

Go on, tell me why not. Tell me why an "open marriage" is anything more than "oh I mainly see X, but I have a side chick as well, and so does she"

>> No.73391131

The density of them I think is definitely off putting for a lot of people. I dont think its neccesarily trying to say the civilization types are bad, but more that people can be good or bad regardless of their surroundings, and it's up to the individual to choose to be good. It may be quite dark pretty often, but there's a lot of light in it as well.

>> No.73391158

Itkovian's repetition of "I am not yet done" still gives me goosebumps

>> No.73391162

Because that's not how poly relationships work and you've obviously have no actual knowledge that isn't based on porn or internet boards.

>> No.73391324

>He was both
My point was, yeah, he'd absolutely be considered an SJW now, because the ironic use of the term to make fun of "keyboard warriors" has expanded the definition to include everything to the left of Mussolini. But he wouldn't have been a SJW then, because originally the term was used in a more limited and literal sense. I'm sure Gaiman has written about social issues, but he doesn't strike me as a front-lines type of guy.

>> No.73391362

Look at Sandman, bruh


>> No.73391421

My favourite of his is the concisely-titled Shadows For Silence In The Forests Of Hell, but in general everything in his short story anthology book (which also includes The Emperor's Soul) is pretty good.

>> No.73391650

This and Roadside Picnic, naturally

>> No.73391753

I really enjoyed that, but 2034 didn't do it for me at all. Should I try to pick up 2035 whenever it reappears for sale, is it a return to form?

>> No.73391779

Shit, I knew I was forgetting something for my Reading List. Thank and fuck you anon.

>> No.73391812

I'm gonna jump in here anons, and take responsibility for feeding that troll. It was a mistake, I apologise. Now let's un-derail the thread, yeah? We have extremely serious business of fantasy and sci fi books to discuss here.

>> No.73391904


Eh. It's well-written and I enjoy a lot of the novelty but after an excess of HURR THE BADS WIN AGAIN in a context that feels forced I kept feeling pulled out of the book, and occasional twists you could almost hear the author smugly chuckling at their subversive cleverness. Which is a huge shame, because some of the character arc happening literally simultaneously with this were clever and interesting with the intended tone. The books are a content-editorial pass away from being great but brought down by those moments.

>> No.73391933

The Three Musketeers holds up well.

>> No.73392038

Ok fags, I wanna read the end times. I need these stories:
Sigmars blood/blood of sigmar novella.
The bone cage, short story
Return of Nagash novel
Kinslayer novel
Of ice and blood short story
Marienburgs stand, short story
the fall of altdorf, novel
Siege of naggarond, short story
Deathblade novel
Curse of khaine novel
Rise of the horned rat novel
Rememberers short story
Slayer novel
Lord of the end times novel
Does anyone know where I can get them? I have the main novels already on the Trove, but what about the other ones?

>> No.73392244

All of his books are a wierd mix of some formulaic writing, creative ideas, not taking themselves to seriously and still surprisingly deep in what you can try to interpret in them.
Real fun holyday reads.

>> No.73392280

2035 is definitely better

>> No.73392341

No idea, but warhammer fantasy general it's probably the place to ask about that. In theory /aosg should know too, but I'm not sure about the literacy rate in there.

>> No.73392369

At least pretty patient. If you decide before reading the first 100 pages if you like a book the whole series is probably boring at some point.
I personally like the slow world building and the parts that get not explained to the reader. Makes it feel more like an epic than a fantasy book.

>> No.73392567

Four bros getting into trouble, drinking, gambling, brawling, and getting new mistresses who bankroll their constantly broke-asses.
Of course it holds up.

>> No.73392870

Just aloincloth is for the girls.
Conan is the guys who can sneak up on pitish scouts in a chainmail, while his civilized companions couldn`t do it at all.
Every Battle he leads, he is clad in the full armor of the culture he lives in at that time. His thing is the ability to use everything to fuck up his enemys. And looking good in a loincloth.

>> No.73393192

>Conan is the guys who can sneak up on pitish scouts in a chainmail, while his civilized companions couldn`t do it at all.

and he's also the one that when he fails it's for a bad dice roll. Like Hey I'm kicking asses but the carpet makes me stumble ...

>> No.73393443

Thanks, I'll see if I can pick it up somewhere (seems to have disappeared from UK bookstores, don't know if it's a licensing thing with the vidya but it's irritating).

>> No.73394581

>Just aloincloth is for the girls.
Dude he constntly wears just the loincloth:
Tower of the Elephant, God in the Bowl, Servants of Bit Yakin, Scarlet Citadel once he gets captured, the list goes on.

I get that "Conan actually wears armor" is one of the first suprises you get when reading the stories, but there is a reason the image that first springs to mind is sandals and loincloth.

>> No.73396182

>there is a reason the image that first springs to mind is sandals and loincloth
Yeah it's sexy

>> No.73396302

"Ackshually Conan wears armour" is the "Frankenstein is the name of the doctor" of Conan trivia.

>> No.73396408

Conan was popular with female readers, which is why Wyrd magazine editors started making him less rapey than he had been in Frost Giant's Daughter and as proto-Conan in People of the Dark.

>> No.73396482

you win an award for the most generic statement of all time. beep boop motherfucker.

>> No.73396503


Has Mieville written anything good after the scar? My experiences with Iron Council, City & City, and Embassytown suggest no

>> No.73397027

And what's the Conan equivalent of saying "Frankenstein was the real monster"?

>> No.73397184

I personally thought The Scar was much more satisfying than Perdido Street Station. New Crobuzon is insanely cool and so were the mouths, but the main character's arc in The Scar felt much more well realized imo.

I feel this anon sums up Brandon's writing style pretty well.

>> No.73397200

Probably "barbarism is inevitable".

You can actually track Howard's own philosoph (and mental health) change through the stories.

You start out with"Phoenix on the Sword" with an older, more experienced Conan as king, combining the best of barbarism and civilisation and you end with "Wolves beyond the Border" with Howard clearly depressed as fuck and ruminating how all civilsation is doomed to fail.

>> No.73397257

No idea what order his stuff was published in. Kraken and Railsea were both good non-crubozon books. But I agree those three you mention were all on the weaker side, especially C&C. Iron Council gets a little bit of a pass by mooching off the inherent coolness of the setting, even though it's story was a little limp.

>> No.73397291

So "The true Conan is always in loincloth"?

>> No.73397308


>> No.73397501

I agree with everything in that image, but would add the following:

"This can also be seen in how Sanderson handles certain kinds of exposition. For example, in the Stormlight Archive we learn early on that the slave Kaladin was the son of a doctor, had a brother, and joined the war when his brother was conscripted to keep him safe. Instead of Kaladin discussing his past with a friend (such as Syl), which would represent character growth for the stoic, Sanderson decides to instead show the reader a half-dozen lengthy flashbacks of Kaladin's childhood, presented in this clinical, objective style. This presents the reader with a great deal of relatively unimportant information and details about the character's early life, creating 50+ pages of boring content which could have been easily replaced with 5 or fewer pages of an emotional retelling in the character's own words."

Also, and this is just my opinion, but I loathe every single interstitial in the Stormlight Archive. Every mini-chapter between 'acts' of the book that focus on some shitty merchant half the world away who has nothing to do with the plot, or some insane guy looking at spren (i.e. spirits) and rambling on incoherently. A better author can build a whole world for the reader without having to tell a story in every piece of it.

>> No.73397972

Thanks, I read this today and really enjoyed it.
I'll check this out next, thanks.

>> No.73398171

try Throne of the Crescent Moon by Saladin Ahmed. Only one book with a concise and simple story about killing ghouls in fantasy middle east

>> No.73398293

Laird Barron has some pretty good anthologies. The first story of The Beautiful Thing that Awaits Us All, Blackwood's Baby, is one of my favorite short stories i've ever read. There's also another great one in there called The Redfield Girls. There are some lame stories here and there, especially in his latest anthology called Swift to Chase... Didn't enjoy it much at all.

>> No.73398343

>Writing challenge

I had no idea. I enjoyed those books.

I really enjoyed pic related, and it started as a tabletop game too.

>> No.73400720

>superpowered special forces
I might have described that wrong, but they're baseline humans, just usually equipped with bleeding edge tech in terms of weapons and gear. there are things in the series that are somewhat fantastical compared to normal boring reality, but everything the author writes is still heavily based in the current technological levels of our civilization.

>> No.73401736

Okay I just finished Storm Front. Kinda okay if you take it as pulp noir, which I guess it is.

Why is Harry Dresden portrayed like the most extreme caricature of a teenage fedora tipper? He wears a t-shirt, a trench coat, carries a sword-cane, tells nobody nothing, has utterly shite social skills, is basically a NEET with a hobby, and, for fucks sake, lives on Spaghetti Os and instant noodles.

Like, what the fuck was the thinking behind the design choices here?!

>> No.73401898

Mistborn's original trilogy is lacking in characterization except for Kelsier and Spook.
Wax and Wayne on the other hand is great, and we see some more advanced use of compounding allomancy and feruchemy. I hope the last book comes out this year.

>> No.73401998

I read era one and while it was fun and the magic system was cool I wasn’t really invested in it
Should I read era two or is it just more of the same?

>> No.73402026

6 swords, a crossbowm a musket, whatever the fuck is on the 3rd book cover and a fucking minigun. Whoever the art guy in charge of this series is, i like him.

>> No.73402030

The series does get slowly better as it progresses, and Harry does start acting less like a Neckbeard

>> No.73402142

Read this or shut the fuck up about pretending to know what the fuck you're talking about. This book starts RPGs. It's a long-ass trek between this, to the brontes, to wells, to yeats, to tolkein, to gygax.

But it's a clear-as-fuck line. Read this book and get into gothic literature or what the fuck are you doing pretending to offer advice on this topic?

>> No.73402152

It's definitely funnier, and I like the action more.
Both main characters are Twinborns, so they have one Allomancy and one Feruchemy ability. Wax can push steel (because flying through the sky is too iconic to leave out) and can store and tap his weight, allowing him to push harder on metals and do things like derail trains with pure weight.
Wayne can make time bubbles with one of the four metals introduced in Era 2, and time moves faster inside, allowing him to do things like instantly put on a disguise. He has gold feruchemy powers, so he stores health; naturally, is the slapstick character who does shit like get thrown off buildings and walks away afterward.

>> No.73402185

> Book has well executed narrative
> Seems to be drawing to a conclusion
> Still halfway to go
Fuck me this is going to be a wild ride

>> No.73402195


Perdido has by far the most compelling world and good events, but the narrative arc of the characters is weak. Most don't even get one, and even the two main characters have to have their character arcs happen off to the side to be out of the wya. I think it's related; PSS is so stuffed full of ideas and developments that it felt like Mieville genuinely lost control over the story and setting, and let it grow until the only way to keep in even just the best bits was to compromise on character. At least it was the rare book where weaker characters feels justified on the basis of how the fuck would you fit that in too, as opposed to because the author's just not so good at it.


I agree, even mostly liking the books. I hadn't thought of the visual language before, but it's impossible to miss now you've raised it. Some of his books feel like books from a good author with distinctive weaknesses, but Stormlight in particular feels like he has the idea in his head for an excellent film series, but has no idea how to make it a film, so forces it into the medium he knows.

I've done that myself on occasion. I can write scripts well enough to sell commercially, but can't do books or film. More than once I've had a fantastic story in my head that needed to exist, but wanted to be a TV series or whatever. The idea is too good to waste so I try and force it into the medium I'm decent at, but in the process it palpably loses something.

>> No.73402206

>Leaving out Fritz Leiber, arguably the single author with the biggest influence on Gygax
Perhaps it is you who needs to shut the fuck up.

>> No.73402216

Huh, seems interesting enough
> I like the action more
That surprises me, since the action in Era 1 was pretty good. If it's even better then I should check it out if only for this

>> No.73402239

>Perdido has by far the most compelling world and good events, but the narrative arc of the characters is weak.
Fag. You are bad at writing. You are even bad at reading Shut your fucking mouth. The development of the main character is the one and only virtue of any novel.

>>Leaving out Fritz Leiber, arguably the single author with the biggest influence on Gygax
>Leaving out Fritz Leiber, arguably the single author with the biggest influence on Gygax
You can definitely argue it. There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong.

>> No.73402320


Audience appeal. Dresden Files' main appeal and main weakness is that he commits comprehensively to Film Noir Novel But Magic Exists. It means they read fast and go fast, have dramatic action and broody characters and an atmosphere that was unique until ten million people copied it. It also means the writing hasn't much of substance and the brood often gets excessive, and moreover the character was clearly made to order and later filled out to be an actual person.

Also, like any longrunning pulp series it gets better quickly, hits its stride, and eventually escalates to the point of nonsense where the books get a bit dumb and audience begins to check out.

>> No.73402382


Oh boy, I can't wait for the launch of your hit novel Interesting Man in White Space, whereby you prove me wrong and people finally stop walking away when you talk to them and mom remembers your birthday and dad comes back from the store with the milk he went to get seven years ago and you all get to be a family again like it was before.

>> No.73402657

they have clockwork-powered fighter aircraft and magic power armour too, as well as EVERYONE IS BUGS. Great books & so's his other series where EVERYONE IS WERESOMETHINGS.

>> No.73402905

I mean, isn't Dresden supposed to be a complete social outcast? He's an orphan who had a bunch of horrible abusive shit happen to him in his teens, and he hasn't really gotten over it yet?

I mean, at the start of the first book he has no real friends or meaningful social contacts outside of his investigative stuff. It gets toned down in the future books when he actually has meaningful relationships with people and builds his support group.

>> No.73403126

"Romantic fantasy" is what I've heard it called. Makes me wish blue rose was more popular

>> No.73403216

he's a struggling nerd bachelor in his early to mid twenties at this point, give him time to get some character development

>> No.73403275

this series is bonkers. it starts as some semi blackpowder fantasy with a new take on races, then goes crazy on the tech, turning in to a full on arms race.
this shit goes so fucking far off the rails, there's no quick way to describe it, but i would still suggest it to anyone running a campaign.

>> No.73403324

i feel like i came to reading moorcock about 20 years too late. i couldn't even get past the first book, the character was so unbearably edgy. maybe i would have liked it better as a young teenager.

>> No.73403335

don't forget the liveship books

>> No.73403342

John Scalzi basically writes one style of sci-fi book, but I really enjoy that one type so I don't mind too much.

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>> No.73403628


The only book I've seen since 2000 that was like that was The Night Circus, which is genuinely excellent. It's got the best sense of the fantastical, understands that dark tones are best employed sparingly and subtly, and understands that a romance main plot is elevated best by making the side characters strong and interesting in their own right. It's exactly the opposite of all the shit paperwaste that flooded the market after Twilight reminded publishing houses that teen girls still exist, and have a LOT of disposable income.

As to Mercedes, I normally enjoy darker and grittier fantasy or urban stuff, but I enjoyed her books as a break because it nice to take a break from the bleak and drastic stakes every so often. It also has a nice tone to the world.


You're misinterpreting publishing house trends as writing trends. There's actually a lot of female authors writing normal books, and male authors writing shit softcore. The difference is that genre fiction audiences have historically avoided female names, so publishing houses encourage female authors to male or neutral their names, where teensmut and Mills & Boone stuff people overwhelmingly read female names so most male authors take female names. You notice more female names in the teensmut and pulp-romance sections because they are the only place the publishing industry considers a female name an asset rather than a liability.

Look through your own collection and look up who the writers are, not just what their name is. A surprising amount will be female - including some who have male portraits on the back inside cover.

>> No.73404352

That first book is so fucking good that each book being worst than the last still means the third book was pretty okay.

And the audiobooks are masterpieces all.

>> No.73404562

>Look through your own collection and look up who the writers are, not just what their name is. A surprising amount will be female - including some who have male portraits on the back inside cover.

Not really. Women seem to avoid SF like the plague.

>> No.73404564

Sam Sykes and Scott Lynch just got outed as sex pests/harassers

>> No.73404764

So it’s just another Friday?
I wonder what sparked this metoo bullshit to flare up again

>> No.73404766

Hoo boy

>> No.73404892


...I guess? Historically I know it's been distinctly male; the classic sci-fi books I had were all male but one. I meant more that this is recently much less the case, even as many women use male pen names. The last five books I bought from unknown authors had three female authors, so either they're growing quickly in the genre or writing stuff I like more.

I had an actual point to make but fuck knows what it was now.

>> No.73404973

consider phlebas and player of games are really great SciFi
i read excession next and then I stopped. It wasn't that bad, i just didnt like it

>> No.73405138

Check out The Heroes, it does away with the world-spanning plot in favor of a slugfest battle between the Empire and Northmen. Logen's boys are involved.

>> No.73405652

>there's nothing inherently wrong with YA.
M8, "YA" is a huge net to cast. You have everything from Tolkien and Stevenson and Kipling to whatever hackneyed dystopian/fantasy garbage is the current flavor of the month.

>> No.73406569

i would part with one of my legs for a Shadows of the Apt game, Mantis edgelords, Wasp pragmatists, Spiders going JUST AS PLANNED constantly and then some fucking beetle invents the turbojet/tank/nuclear bomb and flips the whole table.
Or just be a mole cricket and wander round being HUGE.
yes, and Sanderson is worse, so think about what that implies.

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>> No.73406685

Romantic Scifi is very much a thing.

>> No.73406686

And here I was certain THIS would be the year the Thorn of Emberlain would come out

>> No.73406750

Women writers in all genres including scifi are on the ascendant, because reasons

>> No.73407043

NAYRT, but I would hardly consider Tolkien to be YA. The Hobbit is aimed at small children, whereasl all of the rest of his corups is very much intended for adults.

>> No.73407806

I found Blindsight to be similar to Annihilation, in that they were both 50% really good scifi horror interspersed with 50% boring navel gazing about how the main character fucks up relationships.

>> No.73408279

Anyone got any recommendations for Arthurian fantasy?
I'm really into this kind of stories, but other than pic related (which was fine) I haven't been able to get into much.

>> No.73408343

>ITT: Children who don't know the first thing about literature. That is, except the ones who've posted good literature (1%). I mean, it's hardly surprising that this place favours Sanderson and Martin over authors of literature. It's hardly surprising that this place adores edgy teen heroes and sex scenes. Please change. How can you change? Read real books. Read Lord Dunsany, Mervyn Peake, George MacDonald, Hope Mirrlees, Tolkien (his more obscure works).

>> No.73408358

> each book being worst than the last
> not thinking the second book was the worst

>> No.73408401

Reading Raising Steam was quite possibly one of the most depressing experiences of my life. It was barely even readable.

>> No.73408408

> I haven't been able to get into much.
Meaning I haven't gotten around to it yet

> >>73408343
>Tolkien (his more obscure works)
Speaking of which, is his rendition of 'Sir Gawain and the Green Knight' any good?

>> No.73408493

Please learn how to use green text

>> No.73408501

In terms of the dragonlance books not written by margaret weiss, I'm quite fond of Kindred Spirits. Pretty much the only good book of its subseries though (The "meetings sextet")

>> No.73408513

>The development of the main character is the one and only virtue of any novel
check out Jane Austen over here gang

the movie of that was actually pretty entertaining

>> No.73408531

Le Morte D'Artur is the classic, and the most comprehensive version of the mythos you'll find. I quite liked the Alliterative Morte D'artur, albeit as a guilty pleasure, it's one of the only Arthurian tales where I really enjoyed the action, but it honestly reminds me of a Salvatore book more than anything else.

Sir Gawain and the Green Night is very good, but I don't think I've actually read Tolkien's translation, so I can't vouch for it. And Yvain, as well as Lancelot, Knight of the Cart, are amazing.

>> No.73408585

Those who try and seperate literature based on some "real literature" critera are pretentious fucks who just want to flaunt their oh so exclusive knowledge in a mastubatory fashion.
Take your english major degree and go back to /lit/ and stay there please.

>> No.73408596

>Le Morte D'Artur
I tried reding it but couldn't get past the first chapter. It's so filled wiith 'thees' and 'thous' and weird setnece structures that I was feeling exhausted a paragraph in.

> Yvain, as well as Lancelot, Knight of the Cart, are amazing.
I Hadn't heard of these, and I'll look into them

On another note, someone once recommedned me 'The Mists oof Avalon', do you (Or any other anon for the matter) know if it's good?

>> No.73408610

This was such a weird fucking series. Everything about it shouts that it should be aimed at very young children, but it is some of the darkest shit I have ever read.

>> No.73408621

> Pretending any fantasy can be real literature
You should be well aware by now that anything one can enjoy is in no way shape or form a true work of literature

>> No.73408686

You only say this because you've not read those works. You think that all fantasy is about edgy warriors and "badass" dragons.
I have a degree in a science. And it's called being discerning. I only read good, worthwhile literature. I have no time for Brandon Sanderson, Martin, Rothfuss or any others that are adored by teenagers.

I also love Dostoevsky, Hamsun, Woolf, Jackson, etc.

>> No.73408708

Oh man, you are so sophisticated.
Say "genre fiction" in a condescending tone for me, won't you?

>> No.73408714

Anon, there's nothing wrong in reading something that's not high art. If you're having fun, what's the issue?

>> No.73408756

>You think that all fantasy is about edgy warriors and "badass" dragons.
And sexy elves. Don't forget about sexy elves

>> No.73408766

I've heard good things about it, but never read it myself.

>> No.73408782

I personally love the Idylls of the King, but Tennyson is my all time favourite poet so I'm pretty biased. They're definitely worth a look if you want more Arthur and don't mind blank verse and Victorian-ness, though.

>> No.73408788

>Reading to have fun instead of reading to become more of a pedantic faggot

>> No.73408828

Dresden Files are narrated by James Marsters (Spike from Buffy) and he does a great job at it

>> No.73408835

>that must be nigel with the brie!

>> No.73408866

you know, you may have a point there. if there's one thing I've learned from being on /tg/ all these years it's that being an insufferable pedant is the entire reason for Life, The Universe, and Everything.

>> No.73408868

Twisted Cogs and Shadows of the Limelight are decent, despite being webnovels. Both take place in a world similair to the renaiscance .

The first is set in a world where people have supernatural crafting abilities. This obviously affects the arts, and the main character is a would be artist. She joins a famous sculptors studio and finds that there's more skulldegary than she bargained for.

Shadows of the limelight a setting based on the idea that everyone has inate powers, but the strength of the powers increases with fame. The work is an examination of how that affects the heroes and villains of the age. The ending is decent.

>> No.73408901

I absolutely loved those books when I was younger. They gave me a love for flying sailing ships that I've had for 20 years now, and I'm still scared of the Gloamglozer and the Twilight Woods, too.

The art is just fantastic, as well.

>> No.73408986


You might be looking for one of the various editions of the Junior Classics.

>> No.73409095

I like K.J. Parker. The Scavenger trilogy is what introduced me to him, and I really enjoy his books.

>> No.73409157

There’s a good reason he doesn’t get recommended here, and it’s nothing to do with wanting to fit in with pseuds

>> No.73409377

Are there any more fantasy books of this quality? I love the characters and worldbuilding of this book.

>> No.73409902

Random recommendation as the thread trundles towards page 10: this. Picked it up randomly in my local library and was surprised how much I enjoyed it. Neat little bit of worldbuilding and a good story. The author's got an almost poetic style but she doesn't cross the line into being flowery.

>> No.73410134

Fun fact: Peter watts decided to get into a fist fight with a US border patrol agent due to said agent being “racist”, or in normal people terms; due to Watts being a typical Canadian PC faggot starting fights and then claiming to be a victim

His books are pretty neat tho

>> No.73410234

>I also love Dostoevsky, Hamsun, Woolf, Jackson, etc.
Western schlocks aren't real literature either, you philistine. Learn another language.

>> No.73410869

Having read light novels (and all 14 books of overlord) they barely qualify as literature. But honestly Overlord is very poorly written and lacks a lot of depth that it easily could have by exploring the mindset of a man striped of morality and emotion. Tied in with the obsession of playing an MMO.

The plot is weak. The characters are alright. The world is a little cheesy. But the lack of that psychological element that it teases is the most glaring mistake. There is so much space to work with someone that logically understands evil, but emotionally can't feel it.

>> No.73410890

Neil Gaiman is literally the only author that makes me understand how a lullaby works. I literally can not read his writing without falling asleep. And even his voice does it to me, still amazed I stayed awake during his lecture.

>> No.73410939

Stardust was interesting that the movie and novel clearly have some very different events. But really are both enjoyable in very similar ways. Artemis Fowl's movie felt like someone wrote a movie then shoehorned Artemis Fowl's setting into it.

And the worst part is that the story really wasn't that bloody hard to make into a movie. And they still destroyed it.

>> No.73410952

I'd say that the strongest point of Overlord is its World, but Maruyama is a hack and his setting really inconsistent and lacking in information

>> No.73411007

Well when most of the books are just sight seeing, the world is what stands out. But in truth, it's very AD&D standard with a few MMO staples.

I kind of hate that I enjoy it.

>> No.73411347

> I kind of hate that I enjoy it.
That's ok anon, having a guilty pleasure is understandable

>> No.73411682

Don't be ashamed of enjoying a book.

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