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heckin doggorinos

>> No.73087874
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73087874

>Volcanic Salvo
>10RR
>Sorcery
>This spell costs X less to cast, where X is the total power of creatures you control. Volcanic Salvo deals 6 damage to up to two creatures and/or planeswalkers of your choice.
>The fact that it is visible from a great distance is little consolation if you don't get out of range quickly enough.

>> No.73087957

Would it really hurt them to let us see the full cards?

>> No.73088080

>>73087819
>houndmaster
>dogs, a brand new creature type
>not HOUNDS, an already existent creature type.
>these yugioh-tier abilities that search by card name.
the eternal WotC strikes again

>> No.73088121
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>>73088080
>>not HOUNDS, an already existent creature type.
hounds don't exist anymore anon they're all dogs
like 4 cards now from play test were just "Here's what we're doing in the next year", probably more
look for the weird lands in zendikar 3

>> No.73088179

>>73087957
The ones in this pic? They're all draft garbage, the cur clearly has shitty firebreathing.

>> No.73088341
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>>73088080
>Used to have hounds named dogs
>Now have dogs named hounds
P O E T R Y
O
T
T
E
R
Y

>> No.73088355
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>>73088121
>look for the weird lands in zendikar 3
God i hope so

>> No.73088381

>>73087819
>companions
RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.73088461

>>73087819
>boros cards for core21 is Dog Gimmick
god damnit

>> No.73088479

>>73088461
But its card advantage! VALUE

>> No.73088503

>>73088355
These are all pretty neat from a design perspective. would be very cool if imminent the cycle of dual lands were asymmetric like Noxious Bayou and Agressive Crag are. Chances are it'll just be tangolands or some shit though.
>>73088461
Better than a card that slowly assembles the Seattle Renaissance Fair.

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>>73088381

>> No.73088553

>>73088503
>Better than a card that slowly assembles the Seattle Renaissance Fair.
is the card any good? i love the idea of it

>> No.73088621

>>73088531
Thanks i love it

>> No.73088670
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>>73088553
no

>> No.73088678

>>73088670
I mean I've knonwn about the card since it got spoiled, I've just never seen anyone play it and it sounded like a fun card.

>> No.73088703

CULTIVATE
IS
NOT
R A R E

>> No.73088704

>>73088670
This card is kino though. I'm even betting it'll see fringe play post-rotation.

>> No.73088709

>>73088670
This should've activated each combat, what were they thinking?

>> No.73088719

Xth for FUCK Non-colorless Equipment!

>> No.73088729

>>73088709
We don’t need more enchantment cancer

>> No.73088757

The left dogs art is actually really nice.

>> No.73088760

>>73088719
Embercleave is one of my favorite cards in years and the old ones were good too.

>> No.73088769

>>73088760
FUCK YOU

>> No.73088784
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>>73088769
is there a problem?

>> No.73088794

>>73088729
each of your combats would have been acceptable
EACH combat would likely require at least 2 more cmc added

>> No.73088795

>>73087819
>Cards that I will pass up instantly

>> No.73088814
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>>73088794
>each of your combats would have been acceptable
coach I'm ready

>> No.73088822

>>73088784
Not at all. I run that boy in my equipmeny voltron edh deck but embercleave et al are trash since my Swords of X&Y make em all fall off :(

>> No.73088838

>>73088822
>since my Swords of X&Y make em all fall off :(

>> No.73088889

>>73087819
hehe mutts

>> No.73088911

>>73088814
Id say thats justified with the amount of hoops needed to pull it off.

>> No.73088927

>>73088838
yes, Sword of Fire and Ice makes Embercleave fall off

>> No.73088952

>>73088927
unless I'm misremembering it stops them from being equipped/enchanted, it doesn't make everything they're wearing pop off

>> No.73088964

>>73088355

I like Aggro Crag.

>> No.73089000
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>>73088952
its makes equipment fall off for the same reason it makes auras fall off
pic related will force off any equimemt for the same reason too
D.E.B.T should actually be D.A.B.T where "A" stands for "attached"
protection from artifacts

>> No.73089043

>>73087819

I really like this card for limited. Maybe some sort of Boros Weinie deck in standard.

>> No.73089047

>>73088952
>everything they're wearing pop off
ah, no it doesnt. Just everything it has protection from falls off so pro Red = no embercleave

>> No.73089058

>>73089047
well, yea, that's what i meant

>> No.73089093

>>73088709
haste, haste, ping pre combat...
WHY?

>> No.73089099

>>73088080
>these yugioh-tier abilities that search by card name.
We already have an example of that.

>> No.73089107
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73089107

no card yet just art

>> No.73089141

>>73089107
Diamondstealer saltopus
3 colourless, red, black

Flying, menace
4/5

Remove three artifacts from play and go into the corner and colour your dick with markers

>> No.73089150
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>>73088531
>Ulti-Mutt
Kek

>> No.73089156

>>73088729
There's nothing cancerous with Merriment

>> No.73089174

>>73089107
>dragon just hanging out with a hand full (claw full?) of JO crystals in the middle of a warzone
>two fantasy style armies going up against one another, pretending the dragon isn't there
>the phytoestrogen-induced beards
Yep, that's a magic card.

>> No.73089185

>>73089174
seeing as it has its own fancy armor its probably working for one of the armies

>> No.73089204

>>73089185
Yeah, I surmised that from the sigil on the pauldrons, but why is the other army charging to the left of the dragon? Why is the dragon turned towards its own army? Why is the dragon just casually carrying rock candy?

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>>73087874
>Can't even hit face.

>> No.73089218

>>73088355
I love Level Up. It'd be cool to see a return in Z3. There's a lot of counters flying around, so might as well go all in

>> No.73089225

>>73089174
>phytoestrogen-induced beards
mental illness

>> No.73089227

>>73089204
maybe it's hungry, or some gimmick shit like "At the beginning of each end step, whoever controls the most artifacts gains control of ~"

>> No.73089230

>>73088355
>>73088964
In general, they should make dual lands that can only be tapped during a specific main phase, or even your opponents' turn(s).

>> No.73089241

>>73089218
Level Up and Epic and Meld are my favorite mechanics in the game, if they're trying to do "Zendikar but no eldrazi" I really hope they bring it back.

>> No.73089253

>>73089141
Saltopus.

>> No.73089258

So what meme will WOTC milk after dogs, are they setting us up for the inevitable meme plane?

>> No.73089267

>>73089258
We need more squirrels, at least we finally got 1.

>> No.73089268

>>73089107
>>73089174
>Guy on right
Jesus fuck, his beard doesn't even match his hair! What heathen is responsible for such an atrocity?

>> No.73089272

>>73088341
>Not all dogs are hounds
>But all hounds are dogs

>> No.73089288

>>73089258
Black bordered unset. Speaking of, augment was way fucking better than mutate, actually feels like you're making your own creature, should've just wholesale copied it into Ikoria.

>> No.73089300

>>73089288
Augment's good but I like mutate more in most cases because you can shove as many creatures together as you want like with Grusilda

>> No.73089309

>>73089241
When Zendikar first came out, I remember a lot of criticism for it being the "MMO" plane. I had similar feelings for the world, but Level Up in Rise of the Eldrazi just ran away away with the idea that I was cool with it. If that ability returns, I hope they try other non-mana methods to level the creatures.

>> No.73089323

>>73089300
But that just devolves into repeatedly casting starrix until your entire library is on the board.

>> No.73089324

>>73089258
There’s no shibe or corgi for full degeneracy yet. Surprised there was no hedgehog in eldraine. They even had a chance for a badger.

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>>73089288
This. I would legit play augment in standard or the doc in memeander.

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>>73089309
I think they're too scared to fuck up zendikar AGAIN so I don't have that many fears of it being a bad set.
What I'm really worried over is the future of the eldrazi though, the ones in emn weren't too bad but they're pretty explicitly not normal eldrazi, and wotc's probably fucking stupid enough to think that the eldrazi are why people didn't like bfz instead of literally everything in the entire set being bad.

>> No.73089373

>>73087874
>6 damage
>2 targets
>the twelve 20/20 hydras I have not giving a shit

>> No.73089384
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>>73089324
>No hedgehog or badger
they could get art for food tokens that's some mushrooms though i guess

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>>73089258
I am still waiting for a magical girl set. Someone will convince WotC to make a "girly set for female players" and all the coomers and pedos will just on it instead and herald it as the second coming of Innistrad.
We just had godzilla, now doggos, we already had anime walkers. This is not if, it's when.

>> No.73089402
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73089402

He hath spoken

>> No.73089405

>>73089141
Ehh... seems underpowered.

Dick should gain protection from women and all marker colors used

>> No.73089408

>>73089395
Reminder that they put out a large survey last year asking what (you) think should be in a return to kamigawa and that kamigawa was like 8000 years in the past.

>> No.73089425

>>73089339
Man, I really tried to make Grixis devoid aggro work, but the set was so underpowered the only thing that made the deck even slightly good were the colorless Oath eldrazi.

>> No.73089462

>>73089402

Enemy Tango lands.

>> No.73089476

>>73089402
We could easily guess that, they need to put duals in for rotation for all the stupid fucks that play standard so they don't have to deal with "inefficient mana pools". Fucking cowards should just do a whole standard rotation with taplands only.

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>>73089408
>these are the new fox tribal.
I am liking it.

>> No.73089487

>>73089462
Why did they decide on "tango lands" again? Why not waltz lands or flamenco lands?

>> No.73089501

>>73089402
>duals
Hell, that can mean anything.
You could call fastlands, temples and such duals.
Unless he means duals as in have basic land types.

>> No.73089507

>>73089487
"you need two to tango"

>> No.73089509

>>73089487
They didn't, they're called "battle lands".

>> No.73089510

>>73089487
cause it takes two to tango :^)

>> No.73089520

>>73089487
It takes two to tango.

>> No.73089529

>>73089509
>They didn't, they're called "battle lands".

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>>73089478
imagine the mofumofu

>> No.73089545

>>73089507
>>73089510
...So then why are they not crowd lands? Sounds a lot cooler than tango lands and makes much more sense.

>> No.73089548

>>73089487
I remeber some faggots pusing for 'bicycle lands' a while

>> No.73089565

>>73089339
I could without the Eldrazi, honestly. If the theme Nd story was focused on an actual adventure (it's the quests plane afterall) then I'll be happy. I like Level Up and the quest enchantments because of the sense of progression each card had while on the battlefield.

>> No.73089568

>>73089545
the cards text explicitly looks for "2" the "tango" is it coming into play untapped

>> No.73089582

>>73089565
We know that there's going to be no eldrazi in zendikar, which actually makes very little sense since half of zendikar's gimmick is caused by the eldrazi, but yea hopefully it's good.

>> No.73089590

>>73089565
gimme back Trap cards!

>> No.73089596

>>73089568
Exactly, so you form a crowd with the third land. You could name the card after literally anything two-related and it would make just as much sense as "tango lands". At least crowd lands also makes practical sense.

>> No.73089612

>>73089582
we could have Nahiri return and begin her "o fugg :D:DD" storyarch

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>>73089612
Fire weissman and that fag who took over the story after ixalan and it might be tolerable.

>> No.73089633

>>73089596
not at all since the "two" being sought after are Basics, which the tango lands themselves are not and thus will not contribute to that number

>> No.73089636

>>73089476
>>73089501
He was replying to some dudes saying that there was a chance it wouldn't be duals. But yes, it could be all of those things.

>> No.73089661

>>73089324
They are undoubtedly building the dog tribe so they can release a secret lair with shiba/ corgi/ whatever cute dog art.

>> No.73089678

>>73089258
The kithkin will return, keep their wide face style, but instead of eyes that are big solid yellow circles, they'll be big solid black circles, to cash in (late, of course, this is WotC) on Funko Pops.

>> No.73089692

>>73089107
Look at that guy, having the time of his life. I hope the card isn't too bad.

>> No.73089706

>>73089633
>Implying I meant all lands
Also, I noticed you implied "tango" being related to it entering untapped. Why would it untapped when it join two other basic lands? So it can also tango? It just doesn't make any sense. If you have a crowd (with one bfz land and two basic lands), then you would have strength in numbers, which would give the land the courage/strength/whatever to enter untapped. See? Makes much more sense.

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>>73089541
Well, I can get behind some cute kemonomimi anime girls in mtg for once.

>> No.73089745

>>73089706
No it doesn't. When I think of those lands, the word 'three' or 'group' doesn't come to mind. The requirement of 'two' does. 'Two,' the word printed right on the card.

>> No.73089754

>>73089706
no the act of entering untapped is the tango itself

>> No.73089797

>>73089395
anime girls on the art will sell ridiculously well but I guess virtue signalling is more important than sales. Just look at how much Liliana and Narset's alt arts cost on the secondary market.

>> No.73089798

>>73089204
Armies bribing a dragon in the midst of a pitched battle. This design is inspired by moba games

>> No.73089835

>>73089706
>See? Makes much more sense.

>> No.73089870

>>73089661

>Hound of Konda with kawaii desu ne Shiba art

Thanks, I hate it.

>> No.73089890

>>73088355
Spoiler bro said we are getting DFC that can be played as lands in emergencies. There’s your lands, personally, think it’s pretty neat. SPOILER BRO WHAT SET ARE THE FETCHLANDS IN?

>> No.73089891 [SPOILER] 
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>ZENDIKAR RISING
I already expect:
Adventures
Traps
Quests
Landwalk
Landfall
Enemy tangolands
Allied manlands
Kor tribal
Vampire tribal
Goblin tribal
Merfolk tribal
Elf tribal

Pic related will be your box topper.

>> No.73089904
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>>73089891
nice

>> No.73089933
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>>73089745
>"Two goblins are the only thing that come to mind with pic related."

>>73089754
That's what I was asking.

>>73089835
Explain to me why a THIRD land would enter untapped when two basics are present, specifically related to tango.

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>> No.73089956

>>73089402
Where are the fetchlands?

>> No.73089965

>>73089953
The perfect ramp card to let me play my 7 drop a turn early!

>> No.73089972
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>>73089870
don't forget the tsundere little kami it'll be yipping at!

>> No.73090007

>>73089953
I don't get why this is a fucking uncommon

>> No.73090026

>>73090007
Having 4 or 5 of them in draft at common would actually be pretty good.

>> No.73090027

>>73090007
with 10 of them you can dome your opponent for game!

>> No.73090028

>>73089972
>FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL

>> No.73090037

>>73090007
Because they don't want people complaining that it's in every pack.

>> No.73090063

>>73090007
As an artifact you can easily bring it back from the graveyard, copy it, etc.

>> No.73090139

>>73089933
>two goblins comes to mind
Yes, exactly. I remember the ability "when this enters make two goblins" not "when this enters you will have three goblins'" you cosmic fucking retard. People remember the text on the card, not the board you'll have after it.
What a terrible and anecdotal example to support your argument.

>> No.73090157

>>73089953
>green's ramp is off the fucking rails right now
>"Don't worry, guys! Other colors can ramp too, with this!"

>> No.73090162

>>73089706
It takes two to tango
Since there are two lands in the battlefield, it enters untapped, the tango move.

>> No.73090203

>>73090157
>>"Don't worry, guys! Other colors can ramp too, with this!"
other colors shouldn't be able to ramp, at least nowhere near as well as green
this game is meant to have set colors do set things

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>>73090139
>The level of autism

>> No.73090222

>>73090203
Oh I know. I was just pointing out how weak it looks compare to all the green right now..

>> No.73090229

>>73090162
So, does tango involve a third person/land or...

>> No.73090249

>>73090229
Yes. When you play the land, it looks as how the battlefield already is.

>> No.73090253

>>73090203
Yeah, like Red having efficiently costed 1-2cmc creatures and spe- oh, wait...

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>>73090253
>Yeah, like Red having efficiently costed 1-2cmc creatures and spe- oh, wait...
?

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73090315

Imma do it one they finish my buylists and get me pictures of the moxen reeee

>> No.73090326

They're called Arby lands. Because they are bad lands.

>> No.73090344
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The RW Rare/Mythic is going to be doggo related, isnt it?

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73090372

>>73090344
Get ready for your good boyorinos

>> No.73090403

>>73090249
That's not what I was asking. To express it from my perspective, it would make more sense to call the checklands tango lands, at least compared to the bfz lands (tango lands is still a dumb name), because it's the second person (land) needed to tango with. If the land enters with an available partner, then it may tango. If anything, having two lands would make it much more difficult to tango. Hold on, you're not suggesting that the land is the tango itself, because that would be even more retarded.

>> No.73090454

>>73090403
Tango lands makes sense. Your autism is preventing you from accepting it but that is a personal problem.

>> No.73090473

>>73090203
At least 3 colors should have access to any fundamental game function.
Ramp is fairly well distributed. Green obviously has the most varied and abundant types of ramp. But black mana doubling, red rituals, and mana rocks spread it pretty well. Stack interaction is the mechanic that needs expansion.

>> No.73090478

I can't believe you are all arguing semantics about the name of lands from 5 years ago

>> No.73090480

>>73090326
Arby's is delicious. If anything call them Burgerking Lands

>> No.73090491

>>73090454
What specifically does the tango land represent? That's the main thing I'm not understanding.

>> No.73090499

>>73090473
how come only blue gets counterspells

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>>73090499
haha
because!

>> No.73090513

>>73090403
>>73090491
It takes two to tango. The land, when entering the battlefield, sees the number of lands. If it's enough to tango, it enters untapped.

>> No.73090524

>>73090473
>>At least 3 colors should have access to any fundamental game function.
Go back to your protour from home. Wizards doesn't respect your kind and neither shall I.

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>>73090478
welcome to /tg/

>> No.73090548

>>73090480
or Tacobell Lands

>> No.73090562

>>73090509
Excuse me anon this is a racist free thread. Please remove that image.

>> No.73090567

>>73090513
I still don't get it. Does it have a fetish for tango dancing?

>> No.73090570

>>73090548
>Long John Silvers Lands

>> No.73090576

>>73090567
Yes. What about it, bigot?

>> No.73090586

>>73090478
You still have people here who argue that you shouldn't use ravnican names or tarkir names.

>> No.73090597

>>73090576
Oh, okay. That all you had to say. Now I understand.>>73090570

>> No.73090634

>>73090597
Didn't mean to tag that, though I'd imagine Long John Silver lands to give you -1/-1 counters upon etb.

>> No.73090655
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>>73090478
>BFZ was 5 years ago

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>>73090372
I hate this fucking baby-tier reddit shit art so fucking much. MTG went from being censored for satanic imagery to this shit. What the actual fuck.
This game fucking SUCKS now lol, from every perspective. The art is shit, the gameplay is shit, the lore is shit... how do they fuck up so much all at once.

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>>73090677
"dumb dog" is not the end of the world, they've actually started making the art less shit over the past year or so, even if you do have to pay an arm and a leg for it
the game and the lore are horse shit now but the art is slightly better than it used to be for most of the decade

>> No.73090736

>>73090634
>ETB tapped
>tap: add 1 anus mana
>tap: create a Food artifact token, you gain one poison counter

>> No.73090743

>>73089258
Well weve done dinosaurs with slight mesoamerican theme + bloodrinkinf europeans, robodinos and other big monsters, pirates, cats and dogs, not-steampunk, fairytales, generic horror, dumbed down lovecraftian horror, not-egypt, greek pantheon 2: boogaloo, and 2nd rehash of ravnica in the past 4y. Next set will be 2nd rehash of zendikar, but after that? I bet they dont dare touch cultures, do they might go scifi or do something equally retarded.

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>>73090677
Can't argue with you there. It's got a lot of Battlebond vibes. I miss when Neonazis still did the art.

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>>73090749
He did do some pretty good art.

>> No.73090776

Why couldn't they just make the fucking dogs a part of wolf tribal rather than doing this gay ass splintering a la snake and naga?

>> No.73090796

>>73090776
no werewolf furries allowed

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>>73090766
The history books can spit on this card all they want; this card's vibe is absolutely legit.

>> No.73090803

>>73090776
wolves are pretty different from dogs
but maybe batching will save us from wizard/shaman/mage/druid/spellshapter/whatever

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>>73090766
>>73090802
>Nazi can draw
wtf? he should follow Hitler's teachings better

>> No.73090821

>>73090802
I must assume they still had names first back then, so it's not even an inaccurate art.

>> No.73090850

>>73090677
Yeah its a shame, especially since the new cards are do fucking pushed that its hard not to use them if you play against them.

>> No.73090859

>>73090499
He said should.

>> No.73090867

>>73090850
>Yeah its a shame, especially since the new cards are do fucking pushed that its hard not to use them if you play against them.
I've taken to the strategy of putting my sleeves on backwards. They're still legal cards as long as you're shuffling your library and the card backs are face up.

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>>73090749
Damn, I'd forgotten how fucking cartoonishly nazi he was. It almost makes me more OK with him, kinda like Lovecraft being racist against Norwegians.

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>>73090940
>Damn, I'd forgotten how fucking cartoonishly nazi he was. It almost makes me more OK with him, kinda like Lovecraft being racist against Norwegians.
Yea it's actually pretty funny, i've heard a few stories of people meeting him and being surprising just how much of an avid nazi he is.

>> No.73090967

>>73090803
>maybe batching will save us from wizard/shaman/mage/druid/spellshapter/whatever
Absolutely retarded. All of these should be magic-users. All warriors, soldiers, barbarians, and knights should be fighter; all rogues, assassins, ninjas, and pirates should be rogues.

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>>73090940
I mean...

>> No.73090976

>>73087819
AHHHHHH WHY COULDN'T THEY JUST EXPAND WOLVES INSTEAD OF MAKING DOGS MY 4FUN WEREWOLF+WOLF DECK WOULD LIKE SOME OF THESE CARDS

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>>73090940
>>73090968
Sometimes I think he's some kind of abstract performance artist. The dude is a fucking caricature made real, he is beyond even what far-leftists believe their foes to be.
Dude's a mad lad, at the very least.

>> No.73091013

>>73090976
WotC insider here. Wolves are too scary and intimidating for our sensitive player base, so we have opted to not include them in the Grand Doggo Type Update.

>> No.73091036

>>73090976
Getting rid of a creature type wouldn't be good, they'r just renaming an existing one

>> No.73091047

>>73091036
hound = dog
ok sure
wolf =/= dog
nani!?

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>>73091047
wolves aren't dogs : )
honestly though snake/naga is retarded though yea
if it was "snakes are just snakes and naga are people snakes" then sure, but that's not the case

>> No.73091074

>>73091013
>Insects not cuddly enough
>Dogs not as scary as wolves
Is this really the paths WotC is going down? Are we really gonna start getting characters that look like they're from an anime?

>> No.73091076

>>73091064
>wolves aren't dogs : )
Dogs aren't wolves in some universes : )

>> No.73091097

So when do we get Jackals being errata'd to dogs?

>> No.73091107

>>73091097
WotC insider here. Jackals are also too scary.

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>>73091074
I'd have preferred the furry route desu, then we could have neo-nazi artists drawing KKK wolf wizards and shit, but they're immune to blame because they're also trans.

>> No.73091132

>>73091064
now that they have fixed the hound-dog issue we can move on to arguing for the unification of snakes and nagas.

snakes should be snakes and nagas should be snake demons.

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>>73091074
It'd mostly be an improvement.
I'd be ok with some anime saps but I still really like this one

>> No.73091140

>>73091107
Unbased noses of the coast insider. How far deep in your bussy is hasbro's corporate cock?

>> No.73091185

>>73091140
>How far deep in your bussy is hasbro's corporate cock?
Sorry, they only get blowjobs. Hasbro investors are mostly weak financial bois and I only let chads use my bussy ; )
but we do let them design all the gards. Our team is mostly too busy satisfying them to do actual work these days.

>> No.73091270

>>73091132
Nagas maybe *should* be demons, but in Magic they're very much a natural species. And they're only snake-people to the extent merfolk are fish-people, so it's not really intuitive to combine one but not the other.

The Kamigawa snake-people are, as so many things in the set are, completely sui generis. There's no way they're not going to be weird outliers.

>> No.73091286

>>73091064
Kamigawa snakes have legs, nagas have tails.
Checkmate.

>> No.73091375

>>73089214
burn can't be allowed to hit face ever again. casting a card to deal the remaining 3 damage of someones life to them is an auto-win button and "non-interactive". playing burn isn't F.I.R.E. even though there's a million ways to counter it.

>> No.73091385

>>73091375
>playing burn isn't F.I.R.E.
actual lol

>> No.73091426

They really went out of their way to make magic as lame as possible in the last couple years.

>> No.73091437

>>73090743
Clearly it's time for a D&D crossover, courtesy of Matt Mercer.

>> No.73091446

>>73091064
>Leonin are just Cats with sentient classes
>Nagas aren't just Snakes with sentient classes
wizards make it make sense

>> No.73091467

>>73091437
My friend's the one who got me into magic during innistrad, but in the past year or 2 he got sucked into dnd and will never shut the fuck up about dnd things like they're secret knowledge and how great critical role is.

>> No.73091480

>>73090743
but we haven't seen Kaldheim yet

>> No.73091490

>>73090743
>robodinos
we haven't had robo dinos
hell there weren't even that many kaiju in the kaiju plane

>> No.73091541
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if you want power, good cards, and desperately needed reprints he's your guy

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>>73091490
>>73091490
this

What an absolute fucking disgrace Ikoria was. I seriously can't believe how badly they fucked it up.

>> No.73091554

>>73091542
>What an absolute fucking disgrace Ikoria was. I seriously can't believe how badly they fucked it up.
other than the lair of >behemoths i thought it was a good set

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>>73090710
I like the new Solemn Simulacrum.

>> No.73091568

>>73091542
>I seriously can't believe how badly they fucked it up.
Worst set of all time is how badly they fucked up. It really is mind blowing that they managed to fuck up harder than Masques block... but they did.

>> No.73091575

>>73091555
pepsiman is really good yea, fuck knows why the normal art is mad robot

>> No.73091583

>>73091555
Christmas ball ornament robot dude.

>> No.73091586

>>73091568
>Worst set of all time is how badly they fucked up. It really is mind blowing that they managed to fuck up harder than Masques block... but they did.
the fuck are you talking about
the worst set ever is bfz

>> No.73091591

>>73091583
Looks more like Jupiter to me.

>> No.73091597

>>73090710
Using innistrad is cheating, even the bad art in it is above average

>> No.73091598

>>73091586
>the fuck are you talking about
>the worst set ever is bfz
that's where you're wrong, kiddo.
though they're pretty fookin' close
Ikoria doesn't perform on ANY level.

>> No.73091610

>>73091586
Why is BFZ shat on again?

>> No.73091611

>>73091555
Eyyy good to see Pepsiman getting some work these days!

>> No.73091613

>>73091598
>Ikoria doesn't perform on ANY level.
what bizarro world are you living in
companions are admittedly wonky but other than that and >behemoths the set's one of the best they've done in years
hell even the limited's good

>> No.73091626

>>73091575
so it can have a foil printing and not take up a slot in Commander Legends

>> No.73091639

>>73091613
>even the limited's good
why do people say this
it is one of the worst limited formats LITERALLY EVER.

>> No.73091645

>>73091610
shit cards
shit mechanics
shit on zendikar
shit on the eldrazi both mechanically AND thematically
shit on the allies
some of the worst writing the game has ever seen barring like 2 stories
horrible limited
horrible standard
horrible modern
started the jacetice league
name a single reason as to why anyone wouldn't hate bfz

>> No.73091653

>>73091613
Don't bother listening to these retards, they're utterly delusional.
You're right, Ikoria is an excellent draft set (Durr, but cycling was broken!!! Yeah, it was, but it was still a great format overall, draft is self correcting anyways) with tons of cool designs and cards.

I bet the guy you're replying to thinks mutate is confusing and the lame bestow shit was better.

>> No.73091669

>>73091639
>why do people say this
Because it's true, retard. I get that you've been locked down due to corona and haven't had the chance to actually play it, so shitposting based on hearsay and other shitposting on /tg/ is all you have left, but it's a fun format.

>> No.73091670

>>73091653
I loved bestow and would have liked it to come back but them putting Not Bestow and Not Monstrosity as bookcases to theros 2 was pretty disappointing.
M21 looks ok so far, I like zendikar but i honestly like the eldrazi a lot more, hopefully zendikar will be good and then they'll do the eldrazi justice in some other product

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>>73091542
>that image
KEK, nailed it

>> No.73091686

>>73091610
incredibly unfun cards, not even because they weren't fair, it was
Just
Not
Fun

>> No.73091698

maro himself says that bfz is the worst set he's ever made and that dude loves to jack himself off
it was a horrible set that ruined literally every single conceivable thing related to it

>> No.73091699

>>73091669
>Because it's true, retard.
Holy shit it REALLY is not. It like really, REALLY, REALLY is not.
Like how the fuck does any human ever think Ikoria draft is even remotely acceptable? I can't imagine anybody who has been playing for longer than 9 months thinking this, it is just a patently absurd thing to state.

>> No.73091700

>>73091670
Apparently Jumpstart has Eldrazi as one of its themes.

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>>73091700
That'd be cool, and this wouldn't be super out of place considering the theme of jump start, but still incredibly unlikely.

>> No.73091732

>>73089258
Do you guys chimp out about dogs when you see them in real life or what

>> No.73091747

>>73091732
>OMG AN EBIC DOGGERINOOOOOOOOO xS

>> No.73091753

>>73091732
People like dogs because they're cute so people shit themselves whenever they make something that's vaguely "popular".

>> No.73091754

>>73091555
I love his purse

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>>73091727

>> No.73091796

>>73091699
>Going off with cycling is fun
>It's hard to get overwhelmed by it too often, though, cause draft is self correcting and the archetype ended up being overrated to the point that people always try to force it while you get to pick what's open
>Mutate works excellently as a draft mechanic, granting plenty of decision points and satisfying gameplay
>Companions are a blast in draft (At least they were before they got nerfed, haven't played it in a while), made your draft portion and deck building completely different
>Tons of fun archetypes, cycling as already been mentioned, as has mutate, but there was also humans, sacrifice, different aggro strategies, legitimate Resurrection strategies with Titanoth Rex/Void Beckoner and plenty of build arounds, you could even get some cool menace, trample or vigilance based archetypes going
>The fixing was strong enough that drafting ultimatums wasn't always a mistake and you could actually play them if you knew what you were doing, Ruinous Ultimatum is the best ultimatum in draft history, Inspired and Eerie are pretty damn good too
>Plenty of strong removal to deal with big problems, very little hexproof

>> No.73091808

>>73091700
Yeah, but Jumpstart is all reprints, save for a handful of cards that are probably in the dog packs to make it actually somewhat playable. Bear in mind, none of the packs are marked as to what the contents are, so you're still buying random cards.

>> No.73091812

>>73091796
new companions actually make the limited a lot worse
i mean, you can just not use them or use them as normal cards, but making them morphs makes it not as good

>> No.73091824

>>73091808
I'd be incredibly surprised if there isn't at least 1 new card in each "type"

>> No.73091829

>>73091586
In being utter crap tier
Homelands>Fallen Empires>Oath of the Memewatch>Prophesy>Ikoria
On ruining the game tier
Ikoria>Battle for Zendikar>Modern Horizons>Mercadian Masques>New Phyrexia

>> No.73091840

>>73091812
I imagine they're still pretty strong overall and worth going for a fair amount of the times, but yeah, if Yorion and Keruga were basically already always mistakes to draft, they're even more so now. Still very appealing to try to get some silly shit like that going, though.

>> No.73091842

>>73091829
ogw, while still bad, was a better set than bfz

>> No.73091855
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>>73091796
>Everything posted is a reason why the format is terrible
>Cycling is a tier -1 deck with a wide enough card pool to support 2 or 3 full-power decks each draft pod
>Mutate is a non-functional, overcomplicated trashfire that leads to you getting BTFO'd whenever you try to exploit it.
>"First pack companion? Force companion!" is an unfathomably boring draft and play pattern
>There's tons of archetypes! Like......... every other draft format ever? That makes it good right?!
>hur dur muh fixing good
>"Plenty of strong removal" made me laugh out loud. What a joke.

>This motherfucker actually thinks all of these catastrophically terrible aspects of the format are somehow good
holy shit, the absolute state of newfag arenalets....

>> No.73091856

>>73091829
Masques was worse than OotG, and I didn't even like OotG.

Outside of Black Market what the fuck was good from MM?

>> No.73091859

>>73091808
500 reprints with 37 "hard new" cards. 120 cards are "reprinted" from Core 2021 even though they were designed at the same time.

>> No.73091865

>>73091808
>>73091824
>>73091700
Jumpstart when? I thought that was suppose to be this month.

>> No.73091866

>>73091824
There's also a unicorn pack, which is a tribe that would need even more new cards than dog (unless they put unicorns, pegasi and horses in one big clump for that one).

>> No.73091885

>>73091865
Official Jumpstart spoilers start on the 17th, after 21 is fully revealed on the 16th.

>> No.73091896

>>73091865
chink flu delayed it i think
>>73091866
There are like 90 dogs and 20 unicorns that seems enough, or just mash together pegasi

>> No.73091897

>>73091856
>Outside of Black Market what the fuck was good from MM?
... you mean... other than Food Chain, Port, Bribery... Unmask too?
If you think Masques was bad, though, you must have skipped Prophecy.
Prophecy really was one of the worst sets, if not the worst set of all time. Ikoria is a serious contender though.

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>> No.73091928

>>73091897
Prophecy had Spore Frog though.

>> No.73091929

>>73091859
How fucked are we if the fetchlands are in this shit?

>> No.73091954

>>73091920
It's act of treason but you also add 2 mana of any color, so it's technically 1 cheaper

>> No.73091960

>>73091855
>>Cycling is a tier -1 deck with a wide enough card pool to support 2 or 3 full-power decks each draft pod
First off, it's basically always 2 players at most or the decks have been diluted to the point that they're not the strongest thing going. Secondly, I don't see what's wrong with an archetype being strong enough that it makes for *gasp* a whole FOURTH of the table. That's still 6 decks that aren't Boros cycling. And as I said, there's plenty of different archetypes to choose from that are very powerful when open.
>Metate is over-complicated
lmfao literal brainlet tier. When your contrarian anti-Magic "hates everything" stance goes so far you start pretending you're retarded to justify it. And no, considering there's no board wipes in Ikoria other than the very cool extinction one, if you got BTFO while trying to exploit mutate, that's entirely on you. Git gud
>Forcing companion bad
Every draft has insane bombs that you first pick and try to build a deck around. The difference, and the reason why Ikoria is such a good draft set, is that the deck building process when you're working with companions is different from most other bombs, because of their restrictions. If you draft a Glory Bringer in Amonkhet, it's gonna be the exact same draft process as if you drafted any other primary-red deck. Meanwhile, an Obosh, Lutri, Jegantha and Zirda first pick all have massively different pick orders for the rest of the draft. And that's good, retard.
>There's tons of archetypes! Like......... every other draft format ever? That makes it good right?!
yes.jpg
>hur dur muh fixing good
yes.jpg
>"Plenty of strong removal" made me laugh out loud. What a joke.
Unless you go back to the days of Apocalypse, it doesn't get much fucking better than this, twat. Or are you rating Ikoria against your favorite cubes?

>> No.73091962

>>73091928
Barely a saving grace in a set where the most valuable card is a fucking common.

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>>73091960
>I don't see what's wrong with an archetype being strong
You
absolute
idiot.

>> No.73092001

>>73091960
Of course draft retards like this set, it's fucking awful by every other standard

>> No.73092012

>>73091467
I imagine CR wouldn't be so damn annoying if its fans could keep from creaming themselves every time they talk about it.

Does anyone know if it's been confirmed if Zendikar is going back to D&D world mode?

>> No.73092013

>>73092001
>Of course draft retards like this set,
Dedicated draft/cuber for decades here, Ikoria is a shitstain format. Please do not lump me in with idiots like that fuck.

>> No.73092015

>>73091954
Yeah that's not how that works.
4 CMC Treasons just cost too much. Getting a two mana "refund" is nice, but you are not always guaranteed to be able to spend or use that mana.

>> No.73092018

>>73092001
>The limiteds good!
>No it's not
>Yes it is, here's why
>Those aren't good
>Yes they are
>Well of course a draft fag would like it
what the fuck was your point

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>>73091978
>Everything must be 100% balanced or the set is SHIT
Based sawyerchad

>> No.73092030

>>73092012
>Does anyone know if it's been confirmed if Zendikar is going back to D&D world mode?
They said it's "Going back to real zendikar" and that's also the reasoning they gave for going back so soon since "bfz wasn't the real zendikar"

>> No.73092038

>>73092023
I'd prefer for the limited environment to not have a completely unstoppable archetype with a wide enough card pool to support 2+ full-power decks every draft, yes, that would be nice.

>> No.73092056

>>73092018
Imagine thinking every anon who disagrees with you is the same person

>> No.73092060

>>73092038
It's not completely unstoppable, though. It's strong, sure, and if you face the absolute nuts version of it, you're in trouble, but you can beat the average version of cycling if you're a good drafter. And as I said, it's a deeply overrated archetype that has been over-drafted into dilution most times. This is no longer the first week of the format where no one is wise to it and you get Zenith Flares tenth pick.

>> No.73092086

>>73092060
>It's not completely unstoppable,
Never gone less than 7-2 with it., and I've forced it every draft no matter the pool.
What was that again? It isn't unstoppable?
Eat shit. You not being able to win with it because you suck doesn't mean it isn't overwhelmingly powerful.

>> No.73092132

>>73092030
Good. Original Zen was a good setting and set

>> No.73092133

>>73092086
>-2
Sounds stoppable to me, pham

>> No.73092149

>>73092086
>Eat shit.
I know where to find it if I were inclined to do so, cause you're full of it. You aren't undefeated with the deck, you're a scrub that is mad you lost to it a few times too many.

>> No.73092151
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All draft formats suck.

>> No.73092155

>>73092060
You don't even need the Flares, though. They are fantastic to have, but the deck being good isn't contingent on having them. There are so many good cycling commons that you can't go wrong.

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>>73092133
>being THAT retarded
No wonder you like Ikoria draft. You probably have to walk around with a fucking crash helmet on.

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73092157

>>73092038
What's unstoppable about it? Zenith flare? Burn's greatest enemy is lifelink, the worst evergreen keyword, hardly unstoppable. The tokens? There are two X/1 wipes in the set, Blazing Volley and Suffocating Fumes, and if they get the human anthem effect, you have several methods of enchantment destruction, most potent being Light of Hope for one mana. The fox? Just deathtouch that nigger or kill it when it's small.

>> No.73092184

>>73092157
>What's unstoppable about it? Zenith flare?
Does not need Zenith Flare even remotely. Flare is barely even a cherry on top to the deck.
The full decklist at maximum power is able to be assembled entirely with commons.

>> No.73092209
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>>73092184
The answers are also commons.

>> No.73092221

>>73092209
That answers 0 cards in the core cycling list. You are actually an idiot.

>> No.73092237

>>73092155
I agree that even the below average case scenario for a cycling deck is still pretty sweet, but for you to have a top tier cycling deck that is mostly commons, you need like 3 Snares, 3 Marmoseths and at least 9 1-mana cyclers. Claiming that the format is bad because of the cycling deck being a bit overpowered is absurd. Draft is the format that adjusts itself better to overpowered formats. This is nowhere near actual problematic formats like BFZ where you'd have to be retarded to draft green, or Avacyn Restored where the gameplay just straight up was unfun, or the more boring sets like Core 2014 and the Ixalan block, where the power was so fucking low that you were essentially doing nothing.

This "IKORIA SUCKS BECAUSE MUH CYCLING" shitposting would be the equivalent to me going "MUH RISE OF ELDRAZI SUCKS BECAUSE BATTLECRUISER!" or "MUH ZENDIKAR SUCKS BECAUSE LANDFALL MEANS YOU'RE ALWAYS ATTACKING". Your underlying premise is right, but the conclusion you reach with it is wrong.

>> No.73092261
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>>73092221

>> No.73092269

>>73092221

Kills Valiant Rescuer and its tokens.

>> No.73092295

>>73092237
>Claiming that the format is bad because of the cycling deck being a bit overpowered is absurd.
Nobody is claiming that. On top of all the other things that make the format terrible (boring "my card better = win" games with linear interaction on top of super linear and stale draft strategy), the format including a deck that isn't "a bit overpowered", but is actually the most powerful archetype ever seen in a draft format ever, is very unhealthy. that archetype having a wide enough card pool to easily support two decks every draft is a nightmare for the format.

Even if the format had redeeming qualities, being that unbalanced alone is a kill shot to its quality. It does not have redeeming qualities. It is extremely stale and linear Magic at its core.

>> No.73092304

>>73092261
>>73092269
Congrats, you're retarded. Valiant is not part of the core list. And "It can rarely achieve a 1-for-1 against the archetype" is not impressive.

>> No.73092321

>>73092237
Cycling costs of 1 have always had a colour requirement (or a restriction like landcycling) in the past because having be a generic mana is just too good. WotC knew this for over a decade. Even as recent as Amonkhet they knew this and stuck to it.
But Ikoria? Nah, just slap cycling 1 on everything. Slap it on cards that archetype staples, its not an issue, right? Surely players won't draft off colour cards because they have cycling 1 on them, will they?
WotC has spent much of the last two years throwing out rules and restrictions that they KNEW were important for large amounts of time beforehand. You can't say it isn't worrying.

>> No.73092345

>>73092295
>It is extremely stale and linear Magic at its core
Explain how mutate, keyword counters and cycling make for stale and linear Magic any more than, say, Guilds of Ravnica.

>> No.73092346
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>State of this thread

>> No.73092356

>>73092304
So you're saying that the 2/2 pinger and the monkey is what wins with this? They also have answers. I think you're a brainlet anon.

>> No.73092359

>>73092346
at least they're talking about the game
the yidaro got a laugh out of me

>> No.73092362

>>73091732
Dogs are just the most recent in a long line of creatively derivative design since alara

>> No.73092364

>>73092345
>Explain how mutate, keyword counters and cycling make for stale and linear Magic any more than, say, Guilds of Ravnica.

>"Explain how this boring shit is any less boring than this other extremely boring shit"
How about you do it yourself.

>> No.73092374

>>73092345
Keyword counters are the only highlight of Ikoria and they open up a ton of design space. Hopefully Wizards realizes this and it won't sit unused for the next 6 sets.

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>>73092356
>They also have answers
I can't believe people exist that are stupid enough to say "dies to removal lol!" in this year of our lord 2015.....

>> No.73092388

>>73092374
>Hopefully Wizards realizes this and it won't sit unused for the next 6 sets.
>wizards
>doing anything with fun mechanics
yea let me go look at all those meld cards

>> No.73092389

>>73092362
Dogs aren't even in the top 20 stupidest decisions since Alara.

>> No.73092393

>>73092321
>Surely players won't draft off colour cards because they have cycling 1 on them, will they?
This is cool, though. Like, I had decks with only two swamps playing two Memory Leaks. Were you the guy saying that this set's format is linear and stale? Because I'd argue that stuff like that is the exact opposite. It's new and dynamic. It's original and something that you're not gonna see again for a long time, if ever. Just like TBD was.

>> No.73092412

>>73092364
Name 3 good Standard draft sets you enjoyed in the past half decade.
If you're gonna reply with "None, Magic is shit now", then you should have just said that from the get go. I wouldn't have bothered replying to you in the first place with your boomer nostalgiafaggotry and there was no sense in you singling out Ikoria in the first place.

>> No.73092421

>in THB we didn't put constellation on any enchantment creatures this time because we wanted you to choose between your payoffs vs your enablers
>in IKO we put cycling1 on the best cycling payoffs except rescuer who we gave cycling2

>> No.73092423

>>73092387
We're talking about draft anon, dies to removal is a huge thing in draft.

>> No.73092428

>>73092412
>Name 3 good Standard draft sets you enjoyed in the past half decade.
>3
There are only two, anon,
Dominaria, Battlebond

>> No.73092435

>>73091185
What set for fetchlands?

>> No.73092443

>>73092389
In terms of creative design?

>> No.73092450

>>73092435
Unsanctioned, but they'll be silver border so they won't be tournament legal.

>> No.73092453

>>73092428
Right, so you're just shitting on Ikoria because it's the newest set that has been released that is going against your nostalgiafaggotry mentality, just like you probably had huge diatribes about TBD, Eldraine, all of the Nu-Ravnica sets, etc. Why do I even bother?

>> No.73092459

>>73091920
Now THIS is a ritual for Zada.

>> No.73092461

>>73092443
Again, still not in the top 20 lamest.

We just recently got out of one of the lamest fucking fairy tale sets ever. Did you guys forget that?

>> No.73092463

>>73092428
>Battlebond
>Standard
swing and a miss.

>> No.73092470

>>73092453
No, I'm shitting on Ikoria because it is shit.

>> No.73092478

>>73092450
Only cheating dickless faggots go to tournaments, so that's not a problem.

>> No.73092480

>>73092428
Battlebond was not standard. You might as well list Conspiracy or MM if you're doing that.

>> No.73092485

>>73092030
Hope this means we can go back to real Innistrad without the badly made Bloodborne faggotry.

>> No.73092487

>>73092453
>TBD,
Big meh. I told people to spec on Uro and some anons thanked me when they made the thicc buxx but beyond that the set wasn't anything worth note.

>Eldraine,
Uhh yeah, Oko was kind of a problem there bud. Beyond him and OUAT, ELD was fine.


>all of the Nu-Ravnica sets, etc
WAR was terrible, the other ones were just boring.

>> No.73092488

>>73092485
shadows had issues but it was nowhere as bad as bfz was

>> No.73092503

>>73092463
>standard

>>73092480
>standard
sorry I don't play meme formats for whales

>> No.73092519

>>73092503
I guess you're illiterate since that's what the anon asked about.

>> No.73092525

I didn't think they could top how ugly War of the Spark felt overall as an expansion.
until Ikoria

>> No.73092526

>>73092461
Yeah but nowhere did I say is was the worst, only that it was the latest in a long line of creatively bankrupt decisions.

>> No.73092536

>>73092519
nigga I don't read

>> No.73092539

>>73092485
That set had problems but introducing Eldrazi into the mix was a great development. But anyone who would whine about BB-esque content is a huge fag.

>> No.73092554

>>73092525
>expansion

>> No.73092569

>>73092156
>loses twice and still tries to claim it's unstoppable.

>> No.73092585

>>73092569
>"I don't understand the concept that a game featuring a lot of randomness has variance in game outcomes"
You have achieved a level of retarded that was only ever written about in legend before.

>> No.73092624

>>73092569
Because a minimum 77% win rate is totally reasonable

>> No.73092660

New Thread, anyone who thinks Ikoria is a bad draft set is not allowed in this one: >>73092656

>> No.73092680

>>73092624
>Because a minimum 77% win rate is totally reasonable
Just to be clear, 7/2 is the WORST I have done with it. Averages probably like 7/1.5ish, with plenty of 7/0s.

>> No.73092699

>>73092680
Best of one, yeah?

>> No.73092716

>>73092624
>loses 23% of the time
>"unstoppable"
lmao!

>> No.73092727

>>73092699
Naturally. It's not like sideboards in limited have much gas anyways.

>> No.73092737

>>73092727
HOLY

FUCKING

CRINGE

It all makes sense now. The anti-ikoria fag is a draftlet.

>> No.73092738

>>73092716
Yes, a 77% wr in a game with massive variance is what we people with a functioning brain call overpowered.

>> No.73092751

>>73092727
So it's a big nothing then? Best of one is braindead.

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>>73092737
25 years with the game, (formerly) legacy player and drafted nearly every format since draft was invented. Cube often, too.
I can confirm, Ikoria draft is a shit format.
How about you? What authority does your 9 months playing the game give you?

>> No.73092775

>>73092764
All Bo1? Very impressive.

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>>73092775
>this is your brain on Reddit

>> No.73092871

>>73090473
>Ramp is fairly well distributed
no it isn't
>red rituals
kek you don't even know what ramp is

>> No.73092942

>>73092738
>overpowered
Moving the goalposts now, are we?

>> No.73092943

>>73091064
I'm still livid about the introduction of Naga. What makes it worse is that it was introduced in Tarkir, and the same set had Rakshasas, but they were treated as Cat Demons. The why the fuck weren't the Nagas just fucking Snakes??? Fucking bullshit.

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>>73092942

>> No.73093042

I have drafted Ikoria only a few times so I cannot judge its quality with precision, but one thing that is immediately noticeable is that Cycling is tier 0. This is indisputable.

>> No.73093162

>>73093042
It is actually crazy how much better it is than any other deck you can build in the format.

>> No.73093377
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tree stache

>> No.73093405

>>73093377
Wow, they're generous with that card draw in this set. Is this another sign that magic is dying the final death?

>> No.73093443

>>73093405
>Is this another sign that magic is dying the final death?
White got a card that reads 'draw a card' at mythic, magic is dead. It's over, white is too strong now. It has the best answers AND card draw!

>> No.73093510

>>73093502

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