/tg/ - Traditional Games

>>71401823
Name a better BSB

>really like Bretonnian knight aesthetics
>have a big ass Bretonnian knight poster on the wall
>don't want to get into WF seriously because secretly hate its overblown setting
what do

>>71401823

>>71402019
Whether it's overblown or not depends entirely on the perspective and focus.

>>71402036
God I which we had more shit horde armies that win through pure dumb luck, 6s, and numbers. I remember the looks my skinks only lizard men army used to get. I miss the smiles

>>71401942

>>71402139
Meh this guy falls into the both arms up and apart look A LOT of the beastmen characters have.

>>71402019
Play the Total War game?
Convert a Mordheim band of footknights
Just don't read lore you don't care for.

>>71402019
A big appeal of Warhammer is how mundane the day to day life of 90% of the world is it’s honestly easy to forget the lizardmen, the ape shit aspects of chaos, and even the elves exist when you look at the more mundane. I would suggest actually looking trough some of the 2nd edition RPG books a lot of them focus or discuss how average the majority of the world is.

>>71401942
I actually like the goblin from battle for skull pass. He is nowhere near as dynamic as most hell he is a single limb of plastic, but he has personality. The guys is hiding behind a bit of cloth and didn’t even bring a weapon like he knows he doesn’t have a chance if anything comes for him.

>>71401823
>not my imperial state trooper dad could beat up your dad edition

>>71401942

Which edition do you guys play? My friend is only interested in 6th.

>>71401942
Only thing that BSB got going is the actual banner.
multipart kit means there is no inherent balancee or flow to the model.

>>71401942
Always wanted this balding fuck for my army, was just a kid when the 6e army box came out in 2001, I can get one now if I really wanted to but I've since converted an old metal ironbreaker standard bearer for my BSB.

>>71402327
6th and 8th, it depends on which group of players I'm asking.

>>71402327
It honestly depends I’m the only one of my friends that has a proper Warhammer army and only one other ever even had an army so when I’m not fighting his proxy dark elf’s in what ever edition we have PDFs for at the time It’s usually AoS with orcs and goblins, lizardmen and if my plan to get a beastmen army for cheap works them as well.

>>71402327
8th, with houserules for cannons and limited magic.

>>71402019
Saphery and Stirland sound like they would be in two different settings altogether. WF is one big proof against "high" and "low" fantasy genres

>>71402485
That’s kind of the nature of Warhammer really. I’m the beginning it was geeks in their basements basically going “this shit cool put it in” which is honestly its great strength and weakness.

I once sat down with my friends and made some dumb ass RPG after we watched an episode of pic related and based it of inside jokes, shit we thought was cool and other weird shit that just came to mind. It was an amazing mess that barely even made sense to us

>>71402292
That whole interaction was the most retarded thing I have read in this general for a long time.

>>71402813
It certainly topped that guy who kept crying about his cannons killing his friends black dragon.

>>71402813
There was actual discussion too that was immediately derailed by goal post moving and constantly flipping the table on engagements

>tfw no Doomseekers.
What's your whfb White Whale, /wfg/?

>>71402327
6th all the way.

>>71404280
Mad Mullah Tony Akland's death commandoes.

>>71402327
9th age and KoW.
>tfw kinda want to make a savanna beastmen army with Northstar gnolls ad
S gors, goblin slaves as ungors, then the Reaper avatars for minotaurs

>>71404392
Honestly those don't look too hard to proxy.
You could probably get some stuff that looks very close for quite cheap.

>>71404423
The Gnolls are probably more Ungor-sized than Gor.

I don't know what else you could use though. The Otherworld Gnolls would be lovely if they weren't six goddamn pounds a model.

>>71404548
That's kind of it though, I don't want to proxy(the command. The rank and file are dead ringers for Ben Yusuf's black guard outta Warlord).
I have Tony himself and 8 commandos, but I've only ever seen the bannerman with some commandos at $80, never the whole gang.

>>71404280
A bunch of 4th-5th ed plastic horses (the one in the middle)

How ornate is too ornate?

>>71406001
This is the only acceptable minimum.

>>71402262
Needs to be leaping off a rock surrounded by mushrooms and flames and he needs a blade on top of the banner and spikes in his hood and he shood have ten trinckets all in the shape of moons otherwise how do you know he's a Gloomspite Git.

Is there a good way to convert glade guard into waywatchers? The ebay prices are insane. There are some conversions with shadow warriors, but that'll mean more armor, which I don't think looks really better than keeping them more or less pure. I thought about the namarti reavers, but they don't have seperate upper and lower bodies, so that would mean a lot of cutting, excess and I could just go for the ebay prices. Maybe Namarti Reavers with a simple headswap could do the trick? Maybe someone has seen something exceptionally clever that I'm missing.

How would you/do you paint your empire guys? Don't think any of the official colour schemes work for me becaues they are either:

Garish as fuck (Blue Yellow, Red Green, Green Yellow, Purple Yellow, Yellow Red) or they have white in it (which is a bitch to paint).

Maybe Ostland? Which was Black and Red I guess, but black and red is so boring. Maybe im just autistic.

>>71406471
I'm a big fan the Altdorf red and blue.

>>71401942
patrician 1kg miniature in metal

>>71406512
It doesn't even look that good...

early wip, I sculpted the neck
Any tips about the blowpipe?
I had already thought about making something with the stegadon bits but...

>>71406523
because your brain can't catch even this kind of symbolism...

>>71401942
I've always liked this fella'.
He's a perfect inbetween for ordinary plastic WoC and the more spectacular Chaos Lords/Sorcerers.

>>71401942
>>71406738
Then again, pic related is fucking stellar.

>>71404280
Currently it's some classic minotaurs with GWs.

>>71406749
is that the Kurt?

>>71406001
I would argue to the point it would clearly get in the way of the subjects ability to function. Anything that doesn’t have to fight or isn’t smart enough to realize it’s spikes are getting in the way gets a pass most of the time.

>>71407364
I think so yes

>>71404280
Archaon on horse or Harry the Hammer

>>71406165
There is a decent mini somewhere in this thing. We just have to find it.

>>71406767
Many, I gotta strip and repaint mine.
Painted them when I was like thirteen and they look like ass.

>>71407533
Replace the head, dont overaccentuate absolutely every edge and you're golden.

>>71407533
Swap the head and the staff. File off the centipede hanging off his ass and toss the squig.

>>71407608
Same here but with additional hand weapon ones.
That being said, I did manage to pull off some decent conversions on them.

>>71407623
This. You might want to scrap off his collar aswell.

A longbeard dwarf-thing engineer and runelord was teaching a class on Morgrim, a known dwarf-thing.

"Before the lesson, you must get on your knees and worship Morgrim and accept that he was the most dwar engineer the world has ever known, even greater than Clan Skryre!"

At this moment, a brilliant, clever-cunning pro-Morskittar warlock-engineer who had built 1500 ratling guns and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the Council of 13 stood up and held up a chunk of warpstone.

"How aged-old is this warpstone, beard-thing?"

The arrogant engineer smirked quite Moulderishly and smugly replied "4.6 billion years, you stupid thaggoraki"

"False-false! It’s been 5,000 years since the Horned Rat created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and Morgrim is real… then it should be a warplock jezzail now"

The dwarf-thing was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of The Book of Grudges. He stormed out of the room chewing his beard. The same beard dwarfs grow for the "poor" (who today live in such luxury that most own armor) when they jealously try to claw justly earned warpstone from the deserving Skaven Underempire. There is no doubt that at this point our engineer Grim Grimsson, wished he had killed his fool-fool master and become more than a sophist beard-thing. He wished so much that he had a warpfire thrower to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!

The skaven all applauded and all submitted to Clan Skryre that day and accepted Morskittar as their lord and savior. A Doomwheel named "Small Government" crashed into the room and collapsed atop the Sign of the Horned Rat and filled the room with warpsteam. The prayer of the Horned One was chanted several times, and the Horned Rat himself showed up and exploded everyone present.

The engineer lost his beard and took the slayer oath the next day. He died of the Pestilens Red Pox and was tossed into the larders.

>>71408907
Not bad, but the "Small Government" bit doesn't make sense.

>>71408949
'Skryre Supremacy,' perhaps. I need to rework the whole thing a bit really.

>>71409007
Council of Thirteen? Btw laughed at the "crashed into the room and collapsed" part.

What's the best Empire state color scheme, and why is it Averland?

>>71409327
I'm a fan of Talabheim but the colour scheme nowadays makes me think too much of McDonalds

>>71409344
That's just because you're lovin' it.

>>71406471
>Hating garish
Look at this faggot here

>>71407533
Give him a proper nose and chin and make the Mushroom a hat instead of having it grow out right of his head. AoS biggest fault is the lack of restraint in design. New new not High Elves are a great example with their retarded bows and hero poses.

>>71409478
If only they'd show lack of restraint with chaos instead of making them identical physically flawless body builders...

>>71409478
To be fair, those archers are a pretty decent example of GW not going full AoS. While the extra bowstrings are fucking weird everything else is quite downplayed. The helmets, while flashy aren't outside the realm of what one would expect from some relatively well-off soldiery/citizen-militias.

>>71409557
Granted, that's the one faction where it would actually make sense to have swirling masses of feet riding on toasters

>>71409557
The problem with those guys are the silly masks and that they aren't Slaanesh.
Alternatively, they should have made them skinnier so as to be closer to the concept art. The odd mutation would have been nice but is far from mandatory for your standard Chaos goon.

>>71409621
The bows are bad enough, but the rest is passable to good (like the falconer).

Whatever restraint they showed with the archers, they completely abandoned for the floating mage, and worst of all,Teclis who is an abomination in both design and execution.

>>71409557
To be fair, the idea behind them is that they are all fat and weak scholar cultists who use a spell to get buff when the time comes.

>>71409697
Huh, that's actually pretty neat. The garb, and in particular the masks are obviously ritualistic so it would make sense that they turn into something of clones.

>>71409697

>>71409692
>the floating mage
Do you mean this guy?
While I grant you that the head is fugly the rest is kinda neat imo. The earth elemental is a unique and quite fun take on a familiar if you ask me. The actual sorcerer (with the exception of the ridorkulous head) is stylish without being gaudy and the pose is nice and mellow, and more importantly not something often done. The staff, while having a too large head for my taste, is not simplistic yet ornate.

>>71409784
I don't know why, but when I look at him I get a real "american fantasy" vibe. I dunno what it is but I can't help but look at that and think it looks really american influenced.

>>71409807
You have to think about it but he look a bit like a cross between stereotypical move native Americana and some elements of Flash Gordon.

>>71409784
Yeah, this one. The composition is a mess, with the focus being shifted from the character to the floating debris below. I refuse to even comment on that helmet, lest I contract cancer.

Easy Fix: take off the helmet, replace it with flowing long hair and get rid of everything below his/her floaty stone. The staff is actually pretty neat imo.

>>71409784
>featuring Chen from the Dota series

>>71408907
God bless you anon

>>71409478
I think the nose-and-chin armour is kind of a fun evolution of the Night Goblin aesthetic. I like those Labyrinth-esque squig knights for instance.

In this situation though, the mushroom head AND the nose-and-chin armour is just too much. If he had a normal hood it might be ok.

>>71409807
It's the armour. There's this plastic-moulded plate armour thing that is really common in MtG and D&D style fantasy art and generally doesn't occur in Warhammer.
High Elves, for example, have reasonably historical cuirasses and the helmets are a fairly standard corinthian shape apart from the tall crown. There's a minimum of moulding. If you look at the Dragon Princes, it's all gothic fluting.

This guy has these weird bands that would be very difficult to forge in metal without casting it.

>>71409784
This guy just makes me want pic related instead.
I like the horns and the pose is ok. The base just has one too many things on it and the face is horrible. Again, the lack of tall helmet makes him look like a weird human rather than an elf.

>>71409807
Now that i think of it this is weirdly accurate.
The bew models look like a hollywood rendition of a book/comic

>>71398473
lemme axe again, where can I get some propaganda posters that aren't 40k to put on my terrain?

>>71410551
Propaganda posters are a more modern invention that requires more advanced versions of the printing press.
You aren't going to see anything like that outside of the Empire and Skaven and even then the Empire stuff will be black and white and lots of text.

>>71401942

>>71406512
>>71406557
desu his head reminds me more of an ork than lizardmen

I should get into recasting minis.

>>71401942
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>>71410610
I'll settle for those, too, but I have seen a lot of middle to renaissance literature, and a lot of it includes woodcut prints (esspecially the front page design) or their bronze successor, whatever that's called in english.

>>71407364
>>71407485
It's Ludwig

>>71410707
*midle age to renaissance

>>71410165
Of the metal noses and chins hadn’t been on every single one of them it could be a cool thing that a hero or some kind of class of goblins have.

>>71407533
It's almost funny how shitty that model is when they also have the top left guy from pic related that is actually a solid shaman mini.

>>71410939
All of those aside from bottom left would make decent shamans, bosses, BSB, or just unit leaders

>>71410939
Shadespire also had a nice gobbo shaman, I don't know why they fucked up the mushroom one

>>71410978
I thought even the old night goblins over did the mushroom theme, but man Gloomspite is just shit with its LOL mushroomXD shit

>>71411042
I don't mind it that much on that specific shaman, all the mushroom shit is on the base so can be taken off easy, plus it makes sense for him to be in an area with a lot of mushrooms because he's clearly out collecting stuff to brew

>>71411042
> make 3D model of goblin
> ofuck the design studio says it's not detailed enough
> make 3D model of mushroom
> copy
> paste
> job's a good 'un

>>71410707
Here's advertising for a book that was posted in 1477.

>>71410551
You could probably just take art from the rule books pass it off as artist drawings and then slap text on it.
>this rough example brought to you via phone

>>71411122
20 years from now when we have Warhammer Reign of Sigmar™ We are going to just have a faction called the mushroom moon munchkins that are just going to be overly designed mushrooms that worship the moon because they think it’s a mushroom

>>71410551
I'd recommend looking up some late medieval/17th century carvings/plates and book illustrations.

>>71410939
The middle and right ones in the lower rung is also quite good if given a snip here and there.

>>71411343
aye, stuff like that! let me post a few example of what I want/need in empire or skaven thematic.
I know there are a couple of things in the "loathsome ratmen" book

>>71411444

I got into Warhammer with AoS, but I did try and get into warhammer fantasy but couldn't really get started, largely due to a shit GW manager.

>I was about 14/15, had played a bit of the LOTR game as a kid, but wanted to get into the 'proper' warhammer
>Looked up the armies online and decided I liked the Ogres
>Saved up enough to get the main book, the battalion box, and I think a hero as well (my cousin was really into it so he said that's pretty much all I needed to start)
>Go into the GW store ready to buy that
>The redshirt then convinces me instead to get Isle of Blood as it's better to start with (I don't remember how he convinced me but I guess I must have just assumed he knew better)
>Start putting them together and painting them but not really motivated

Is this a normal experience for GW that they arbritarily force starter boxes on people? Obviously this was years ago but I'm pretty sure all of what I wanted to get was as much if not slightly more than the IoB box so is pretty stupid from a self interest standpoint. Or did he just think he was doing me a favour? Ever since I got back into the game it's baffled me just what he was thinking ever since.

>>71409672
Man that concept is good, really creepy. Shame they decided to take it the Saturday morning cartoon direction for the actual models.

>>71411458
well, this sorta stuff.

>>71411461
It's how GW used to be, yes. Still true to a lesser extent, but they've gotten good about getting rid of shitbags.

>>71406001
Her design is from WAR concept art.

>>71411444
See also the OG of 16th century shitposting.

>>71411461
This seems like a guy that was trying to be genuinely useful, but also had to push starting boxes on new players because of store policy. As of recent they are a lot better I had one bullshit with me and talk about cheaper ways to make things like trucks, Stormboyz, and tankbustas

>>71411675
My store is like that as well. The guy will let you use third party bits in games of 40k as long as your army is mostly GW bits.

>>71411544
Ah fair, yeah just kinda annoyed looking back on it, it's kinda because of that I never got into the game when I had a chance. On the plus side I ended up making a fuck ton when I sold the IoB box on ebay last year.

>>71404280
MORKY SQUIG

>>71401823
Newfaggot here, so is Fantasy replacing sigmar? Has it come back officially yet?

>>71413342
No and also no

>>71411461
Yes, redshirts are trained specifically to sell you stuff you don't want or need. It's a pretty lucrative strategy to milk newcomers, but for everyone else it's just plain annoying.

>>71407533
Is that a tyranid spore mine by the rock base?

>>71413342
Fantasy is coming back in the form of 'The Old World'. It isn't intended to replace Sigmar, but I imagine if it's given decent support it could challenge it. Generally speaking people prefer the older setting, which if given proper support/rules base would do really well I think

>>71413342
New Fantasy will be a reboot of Warmaster, in a smaller scale compared to AoS and large blocks of infantry, with a more strategic approach. GW lost that niche during their transition to AoS and this will be the attempt to reclaim it, piggybacking the success of Warhammer: Total War.

Trust me, I'm a cat.

What are you working on tonight /WFG?

I have been greenstuffing the orcs that hold my aloftgriffon back together. Once that is dry it need some work and I've found some more mouldlines but then it's basicly ready for primer. Not sure about the wings yet, leaving them off will make painting easy but it's snapfit so there's some ugly gaps where they connect to the body so I also kinda want to greenstuff them on

>>71414402

>>71414402
Not gonna lie, that is pretty cool.
I raise you my WIP of that awesome miniature

>>71414402
Nothing!

>>71414857
>men at work take a break

>>71414346
>New Fantasy will be a reboot of Warmaster

>>71414346
>I'm a cat
Trust no cat.

>Yedharo KS shipped me models
Happy days.

>>71414857

>>71415122
I'm sorry but I do live in Australia

>>71414402
Swordmasters of Hoeth!

>>71414857
ty anon,yours is also a cool way of basing it.using the original flying stem makes the pose look wonky. how did you mount it to the rock?

also, how many of these things did they make? I know they dumped the overstock as spire of dawn but if you search the internet, even to this day, there's always somebody working on one

>>71415358
I pinned it to the rock with a thick piece of wire attached below the wing. It's one of their all time best sculpts, so it's no wonder people keep picking it up.

>>71402327
>>71402327

Glorious 6th in themain. Maybe some 5th if I fancy something nostalgic as it's where I started. Have 3rd as well but have never played it considering octane out the year I was born.

>>71413342
>>71414207
The problem is it's not the old setting, but the shitpile of End Times, and in turn directly linked to Age of Sigmar and forcing it to be canon. For the newfag anon, End Times was GW's disastrous effort to nuke the franchise after profits fell, and it had some really shitty rule supps and even shittier lore, including massive and incoherent retcons to the setting. It's the prequel to Sigmar, and TOW has already been said to be attached to ET canon.

I imagine they aren't relenting because they want to grab all the dudes who now know Warhammer from TW, and who don't have firsthand experience with just how mindbendingly awful ET was.

>>71404280

Roy Easel and Skeletons from 93. I have the ones originally produced by Fantasy Forge (now sold by Northstar) before he joined GW. But I'd like to get hold of the ones he did for them regardless. They don't even seem to appear in catalogues.

>>71415297
looking good, I also like the fire color blending on the phoenix.

>>71415392
I'm not surprised people keep building it, just that there seems to be an endless suply of them. Do you have more pics of Yours?

pic with wings, they definitely need greenstuff becuase there's huge gaps. And I'm thinking about giving him a shield. If I can't find one in my bitzbox maybe I can liberate the one from the leftover seaguard champion I have

>>71416235
Does the rider have a name? Does the griffon? Why would someone charging people from the air with a lance that big even need a shield?

>>71414346
>Trust me, I'm a cat.

>>71409807

AoS looks like Rob Liefeld 'art'

>>71416518
Arrows

>>71416235
Here you go. I filled the gaps with procreate, it's definitely necessary. As far as the shield goes, I'd say go for it.

>>71409784
>>71409784
>>71409841
>>71409842
Ah yes, the new age Metal Hurlant looking dude is clearly American influenced!!!

Thinking of going for Karak Kadrin run.

How much of a problem are vampires? I dont wanna deal with them, but is the corruption and possible attacks not worth it?

>>71417167
>>>/v/

How angry are the tomb kings going to be when they wake up and find their jewelry missing?

A few threads ago, someone suggested the idea of a /wfg/ magazine where people would contribute articles, photoshoots, short stories, battle reports and art. I'm interested in doing it; is anyone else?

>>71418513
Their MO is hunting their shinies down, killing whoever has them, then returning home.
Settra invaded Norseca that way.

>>71418536
>anon posts list fow homebrew Arabyan sex slave army
Nah.

>>71418513
They're "trek halfway across the world and kill every member of your tribe" angry about it.

>>71418513
You'd think the Asur would know better by now.

>>71418513
Basically dwarfs and lizardmen, trek across the world to retrieve it
There are a few mentions of the feedback loops the trio created amongst themselves

>>71418536
>wasting time and effort on this absolute cesspool of a community
lol
not like anyone would actually end up reading it anyways

>>71405397
A pain I know very well. Somewhere out there there's a drawer of rr6 musicians/banners.

>>71419115
>>71419015
Just saying that I'm writing an article about terrain philosophy and how to go about building up a collection with a theme in mind and such for it.

I wish I was reborn as a Skaven. Preferably clan Eshin.

>>71419780
And I wrote a 30 page homebrew supplement for a certain Bretonnian dukedom, still doesn't mean I'd be ready to extensively collab with /wfg/.

>>71419871
Putting together a small magazine is hardly collaborating.

>>71419899
Really it would be more like a weird scrapbook of dumb shit from the generals that I assume would range from techniques, builds, and lore to dumb shit like the beastman coomer and the other autistic shit we have created

>>71420372
>>71419899
I mean yes sure it's not much work if you're talking about a 5 page long google document with no editing full of randomly spread out gibberish. Would honestly fit the tone of this general as well.

>>71418513
>gimmie that back you little bitch

>>71420486
Plenty of fat could be trimmed, but it would at least be worth it for the memories and hell someone may stumble upon our little shitshow and see something worth a damn. Several things have communities based around simply telling stories and all the autism aside we have produced some decent stuff.

>>71420522
You're delusional and horribly overestimating the capabilities of this general. This isn't /hwg/ or /awg/ where people actually play games and actively create enjoyable content. /wfg/'s quality is way closer to /v/ since all its able to do these days is seething about trannies, Archaon and aos in one giant never ending ball of autism.

>>71420639
>run a weekly game
>create some pretty decent content
>it gets a few replies but is mostly drowned out by other conversation
>anon claims that no one in the thread makes content or plays games

I don't know, maybe if anyone cared about the stuff people do produce. You included, anon.

>>71420639
There' is the guy who does the extremely comfy oldhammer battle reports every now and then.
I really enjoy those.

I must attach the axe and put some green stuff on the shoulders and attach a baldric to the blowpipe
Any tips? Too many weapons?

>>71404423
I really like the modeling aspect of KoW and the dioramas are whole lot easier to move around. But they definitely dumbed down the rules too much. It doesn't have the same precision that wfb had. Also mantic models tend to be hot garbage

>>71421244
Is that a shield on the arm?
I guess the blowpipe is pretty bulky. The model might look a little more balanced without it.

Skaven Clan Eshin army themed after the Wu-Tang Clan
RZA and GZA already sound like skaven names.

>>71406471
I was in the same boat you were in a few months ago. So I randomly chose a paint scheme and I ended up with Hochland. Not a scheme I had ever considered and rather different from my other armies. But I love it after using painting up a few minis. I say just pick one and jump into it

Just spring to mind, would GW give Empire a copywritable name for TOW?

>>71421500
They’d probably call it Sigmar’s Empire or something

>>71421337
It's a pelta shield.
Anyway I imagine this chief as an ambush little warlord giving the order to attack after using the blowpipe

The other night I asked this thread for some help identifying a model I picked up in a lot, it ended up being the mount for Arbaal the Undefeated. I found a cheap copy of Arbaal himself online and ordered him, it arrived last night. Now all I need is his back banner and I'll be set.

I figured I'd post a picture of the original paintjobs before I stripped them and repainted the model. Also, I have another questions, can you guys

>>71421858

help me to identify these models here? They were in the same lot. I thought they might just be some sort of wolf, but a couple of them have the mark of Khorne on their collars, and one has a more ornate one covered in skulls.

>>71421864
Sounds like old hounds of khorne. Not sure unless you post pics

>>71421864

(I'm a retard and forgot the picture)

>>71421872
Yeah those are 100% old flesh hounds of khorne. Makes sense that they would be in the same lot

>>71419042
>>71418513
Weebfag just wanted to post that picture. Or what are some example of Asur actually stealing from the Tomb Kings?
Also why the fuck are /vg/ TK so obsessed with Asur?

>>71421886

Speaking of Khorne models, how many redesigns has this guy gotten now?

>>71422156
Two. One for 6th ed and one for 8th. And he became bigger each time

>>71414402
I wont be able to work on anything for some time, but as soon as I can I will start working on my unit of 20 pikemen to accompany El Don Bigote into battle (an financial succes). I have to think how to work in the armies colour scheme in such a way that it doesnt overshadow him

Who's better at the plague game: Nurglites or the Skaven?

>>71409697
really??

>>71422653
Cathay.

>>71422653
>>71422891
It's all Nurgle.

The time has come to accept that Nurgle has won. We must all beg for Papa Nurgle to spare our lives.

>>71422923
I'm in an infected city right now and it's honestly kinda surreal. I wonder if GW will work any of it into the lore considering that they'll probably have first hand experience now of what living through a pandemic is like.

>>71422943
Coofers are getting overdramatic. This upjumped flu has nothing on pneumonic plague. Look THAT shit up.

>>71423047
That still exists, we just know how to treat it now.

It's not a problem.

>>71414402
>>71414505
Wow, that's hella' neat bruh!
I myself just finished my Nurgle Giant and a Spawn.

>>71423101
*glass breaks*

>>71423181
I don't get it.

>>71423257
The Nurgle giant identifies as pan-gender, and by attaining a rank in the Nu-Nurgle army it is smashing the glass ceiling of cis-centric patriarchy.

>>71423257
WHAT?

>>71423331
The fuck, dude?
>>71423339
What he meant by
>*glass breaks*
The explaination isn't exactly obvious, or atleast I don't see it.

>>71423079
The point is less that we can treat it now, more that the idea that Hong Kong flooie gives you nothing like the idea of what it's like to endure a REAL plague like the sort Nurgle would put out there.

>>71423378
The 'glass ceiling of inequality' shattering I think

>>71423790
I mean, yeah, now that he has explained it I get that but I don't understand what made him post the comment in the first place. What about the giant makes people think that?

>>71423872
I dunno dude. For what it's worth, I like him, looks disgusting

>>71423886
Thanks, bud.

>>71423378
It’s the dumb joke of something is so ugly that glass breaks because of it.

>>71423916
I see. I wasn't aware that that was a thing. I guess I should take it as a compliment then.

>>71423101
Here's a side-view of the two btw.

>>71423919
It’s a odd joke that has been in just about any comedy. I don’t know if it even has an actual name.

>>71421747
That's a really nice kitbash. Keep it up!

>>71422024
Post your army, Noldorfag.

>>71421747
Swankz

>>71421500
>Empyrae of Maen

>>71421500
The Holy Empire of Sigmar would be a decent name. It sounds more like a proper state name then The Empire ever did and could still be easily abbreviated down to The Empire.

>>71421199
This so fucking much. I'm tired of people constantly whining about the general going to shit yet do nothing to contribute to increasing the overall quality of the threads.
And yes I do realise the irony in this post.

>>71424455
I agree. The only problem with that is that it's loaded with religious implication which isn't exactly shared by all of the inhabitants.
That being said, the Empire of Man is a perfectly fine name for it considering that it formed out of a confederacy of human tribes and the fact that a lot of names for ethnic groups is basically just some version of "man".

>>71424533
The problem with EoM is GW's 40kfication of Fantasy.

>>71421500

Empire of Sigmar.

>>71401823
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little harlot? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the State troops, and I've been involved in numerous open field assaults on Beastmen, and I have over 3 confirmed kills. I am trained in open warfare and I'm the top halberdier in my entire village. You are nothing to me but just another target I need 3 to 4 other men to properly combat. I will wipe you the fuck out with basic competence the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the Empire and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be marching in formation anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven ways, and that's just with my halberd. Not only am I extensively trained in marching in a line, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the State troops and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will preform a fighting retreat all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

I don't really understand GW's strategy with the old world. If realease is 2-3 years away, why even bother to show those teasers? I hope it's an hint that we may get something sooner than what they've said, but I fear my hopes will be disappointed.
>>71424575
I don't think it's something to fear. The only tidbit we have clearly shows a divided Empire. If anything, I think the various imperial sub-factions may get trademarkable names (Ottilians, Marienburgers, Middenlanders, whatever).

>>71424713
The wording in the announcement lends credence that we will have something sooner “we totally need 2-3 years you guys” or it’s a fall back just in case they decide not enough people care/it gets put on the back burner for another marine release.

>>71424533
I mean it was always a pagan form of the Holy Roman Empire. Only total historylets would have a problem with calling it 'Holy'.

>>71424826
I think the contention is to call it "Sigmar's Holy Empire". The Ulricans, Taal woshippers and all might object. The three emperors era wasn't known for religious tolerance.

>>71424533
Honestly having a state imposed religion with large religious and cultural minorities that tolerate it because A. it’s home B. shits worse outside is pretty common in our own history.

>>71424853
That's a good point actually. The problem is that we don't have a name for the group of ethnicities/geographical region that the Empire comprises of, so it's difficult to give a fitting name.

>>71424888
Imperial federation of Sigmar maybe? It doesn’t have the same religious connotation, but still give the credit of the empire itself to Sigmar.

>>71421500
The Sigmarite Empire
Sigmar's Empire
Holy Sigmarite Empire


Some variant thereof.

>>71421500
Sigmarite Reich.

>>71424713
>If realease is 2-3 years away, why even bother to show those teasers?
Because it creates content for the site. People are going to go to the website for each update, which is full of advertising for the rest of GW stock.

Was there ever an attempt to create a fan based setting to describe what WFB and its factions would look like if it progressed to a 17th-18th century vibe?

The era of Napoleonic warfare and all of that.

Would you have played it instead of AoS?

>>71425415
retarded idea, doesn't work

>>71425415
No and no

>>71425427
So what would you want the setting to look like as an aesthetic progression then.

>>71425515
I wouldn't

>>71424690
>You are nothing to me but just another target I need 3 to 4 other men to properly combat.
lost

>>71425515
Warhammer's aesthetic IS it's setting. It's the soul of the thing. The background details are honestly secondary.

>>71425515
What there is now. Just more of it. If you change the aesthetic then its a different game.

>>71425794
>>71425682
>>71425556
Well of course it would be a different game. I'm not asking if WFB would be better if it was different, then it wouldn't be WFB because as mentioned WFB is the 16th century aesthetic.

I was asking if there were to be another game, as an alternative to AoS, would you have taken it in any other direction than the one given?

>>71425025
>Sigmareich

>>71426178
No, I'd have developed the Old World more as there's a ton of things you could do and entire factions hadn't been updated in decades.

>>71416518
>Does the rider have a name? Does the griffon?
are you the same anon from a few threads ago? not sut sure if I'm missing something or if it's a trick question but I have no lore for the army yet so no names for now
>Why would someone charging people from the air with a lance that big even need a shield?
more save is always better, maybe he fight other people in the sky, what this >>71416879 anon says, it can be a magic item, or he wants to display his personal emblems in battle and it's warhammer, so no matter what edition (or even in aos/40k) looking cool is always the most important thing ever.

>>71423101
ty anon, your nurgle dudes look suitably gruesome, I like the tantacles on the giant

>>71426332
Thanks, mate.
I envision 'em originating as split guts that wriggle all over the place and leaking very strong stomach acid on anyone who gets to close.

Is the Hong Kong flooie having any noticeable effect on 3rd party pricing of minis? I was able to snag around $100 work of 1/35 models for less the $25 because no one was bidding so it might have an effect on Warhammer stuff to.

>>71402221
>A big appeal of Warhammer is how mundane the day to day life of 90% of the world
What

>>71409697
>all fat and weak scholar cultists who use a spell to get buff when the time comes
But anon, surely scholars work out at the library.

>>71418513
Nowhere as angry as when they discover their firearms missing.

>>71425682
I miss that aesthetic. No more of this attempt to force any degree of "down to earth". I want shit like dwarfs with oversized axes fighting 8-foot chaos warriors.

>>71426285
>No, I'd have developed the Old World more as there's a ton of things you could do and entire factions hadn't been updated in decades.
In other words, you'd be kicked out for failing to shill certain factions enough. Either make the new factions horrendously 7E daemons levels of broken to make everyone buy, and ruin the edition with shit balance, or fail to convince stockholders why you didn't just release more of the established and popular ones.

>>71427409
>That pic
Ивaн, мы были кopoлями

>>71427451
I already have a good idea for that; every new army update or introduction gets paired with a Campaign pack and new models for the favourite factions which are needed to play them.

>>71425415
Empire might hit industrial revolution once they get a few decades of peace and less infighting. Skaven are already WW1 with Russian car levels of reliability.

>>71427460
>I already have a good idea for that; every new army update or introduction gets paired with a Campaign pack and new models for the favourite factions which are needed to play them.
And how will that affect everything? One chief complaint about AoS is everything being split into its own army. This will just have a bajilion different factions running about. How will balance and basically logistics be? How many armies will be left in the dust next edition? GW does a poor job of keeping everything up to date.

>>71418513
>THEY DRUNK OUR BEER
>Naw, it's cool. It long gone flat.

>>71427482
Side note but ancient egyptian beer sounds like it was pretty good honestly.

https://blog.britishmuseum.org/a-sip-of-history-ancient-egyptian-beer/

>>71427536
Allegedly it was sweet and they drank it through straws because of all the non-liquid bits.

>>71427475
It literally fixes the issue you were complaining about earlier, now you've come up with brand new complaints which have nothing to do with it and in fact are ameliorated by my approach. You just want to complain.

>>71425415
Bloodborne.

>>71427475
The small(ish) factions is something I actually like about AoS.

Fuck the whole faction treadmill thing. I don't care. I'd much rather the studio designers be enthused about creating something different than churning out Plastic Dwarf Warriors Regiment #7.

The trick would be to have them as additions to the current armies rather than replacements. A 'Cairn Wights' army could use the existing skeletons in addition to new 'Barrow Guardians' miniatures just fine.

>>71427606
Exactly. The same thing GW is doing with AoS and 40k. People love the Mechanicus and Genestealer Cults for instance.

>>71427606
And by tying in new army revamps and releases to scenarios and mini campaigns where we can develop fluff in some way on a local level but also create fun scenarios AND by directly tying in new additions to the more popular factions, we can not only excite and get more people to buy the new faction/updated army, but also they may end up buying the other units as well alongside the armies those units belong to.

>>71427585
Nice try anon. But that's not me.

>>71427585
>It literally fixes the issue you were complaining about earlier,
It doesn't and that wasn't me. All it does is create a house of cards begging for a collapse. GW can't manage the factions it has, how do you think they'll manage more? It doesn't fix anything. It just creates a situation where a company that can't manage the factions they have now have more to manage.

>>71427606
I couldn't disagree more. High Elves are a cohesive civilisation and their armies being broken down into 5 meme factions doesn't help anyone. The same goes for every faction. The 'treadmill' as you call it is the fairest and most logical means to keep everything updated in a fair way.

>>71427713
GW has proven with 40k it can manage factions just fine financially, it's making gangbusters and has released more units last year than it's released in about three years back in the 2000s for 40k ALONE. I don't get your problem. Apparently we can't revamp armies that haven't been getting attention for years and years, we can't introduce new sculpts, creative stuff and sculptor passion projects for other armies to keep the popular armies supported and we can't make campaigns that bind the two sorts of releases together to encourage people to buy more than just a single army as they will need specific units for certain things, which can then form the basis of a new army project.

So what would you do?

>>71427585
Doesn't fix nothing. See
>Either make the new factions horrendously 7E daemons levels of broken to make everyone buy, and ruin the edition with shit balance, or fail to convince stockholders why you didn't just release more of the established and popular ones.
How would
>every new army update or introduction gets paired with a Campaign pack and new models for the favourite factions which are needed to play them
Work in practice? As dumb as people are, buying shit even when gw decides to fuck them with less models at higher prices, you think that just works so easy? People can't just shit high quality campaign packs like a machinegun spews lead. What's to stop people from only going for stuff they want? I've heard people buying aos or 40k stuff for conversions.

Ideas that sell tend to be shit like easier entry for new players or gameplay big beneficial like other poster said about 7ed Daemons. Take 40k. Ork looted vehicles were a brilliant idea. IG or SM players can reuse models so lower entry cost in time and money. It covers up flaws in their own army by letting them use other armies' vehicles, a bit with Orkish shit accuracy. It was so popular that DoW had them. Its removal was so stupid I bet whoever decided that was on something illegal.

Everything sounds nice on paper before people truly executes it man.

>>71427780
You're talking nonsense. You're basically saying 'this can't work because it can't work' and rambling on about crap that has nothing to do with increasing sales.

>>71427762
>GW has proven with 40k it can manage factions just fine financially,
>BUY PRIMARIS
>NOPE NO NEW NECRONS

For those of you that play 8th edition, do you use End Times rules like magic and the cap increase to 50% on Heroes and Lords?

>>71427762
>>71427786
>illiterate
See here? This is what an all theory, no practice looks like.

>>71427803
What practice are you espousing? You haven't said anything. You're rambling about nonsense that has nothing to do with the subject at hand aside from roundabout ways to just go 'nuh-uh'.

>>71427786
>You're basically saying 'this can't work because it can't work' and rambling on about crap that has nothing to do with increasing sales.
Not him but how? He's asking about how you can handle delivering on good campaign packs consistently while saying what truly sells are low barriers to entry & army gameplay buffs.

>>71427786
I read what he wrote. YOU're spewing bullshit.
>You're basically saying 'this can't work because it can't work'
>you think that just works so easy? People can't just shit high quality campaign packs like a machinegun spews lead. What's to stop people from only going for stuff they want? I've heard people buying aos or 40k stuff for conversions.
>>71427811
>You're rambling about nonsense that has nothing to do with the subject at hand aside from roundabout ways to just go 'nuh-uh'.
Dude. Just dude.

>>71427762
>GW has proven with 40k it can manage factions just fine financially, it's making gangbusters and has released more units last year than it's released in about three years back in the 2000s for 40k ALONE. I don't get your problem.
Have you played 40k or even browsed their general?
> Apparently we can't revamp armies that haven't been getting attention for years and years, we can't introduce new sculpts, creative stuff and sculptor passion projects for other armies to keep the popular armies supported and we can't make campaigns that bind the two sorts of releases together to encourage people to buy more than just a single army as they will need specific units for certain things, which can then form the basis of a new army project.
This run-on sentence ignores opportunity costs. It's more profitable to push the newest space marine army.

>>71427821
Yes, congrats, making excuses for people to buy small armies at lower points cost and for buying multiple factions at lower points cost as an initial drum-up-interest moment is exactly how that works. They don't have to be good, they just have to show the new army and give players encouragement to buy stuff other than just the main range of the newly vamped army. It literally is fixing the situation.

>>71427833
Dude yourself. Explain how you'd expand and grow Fantasy and develop it more. I satisfied every complaint you've been making with it. I provide new army ranges and revampled old ones, alongside new additions and conversion fodder for the mainline armies that are guaranteed sellers and I provide campaigns and rules which tie them together, updating them to avoid the balance issues (ala Psychic Awakening) while also giving players an in-game excuse to buy outside of the new/revamped armies or their own existing collections. It's literally the best way to not only get people to buy one thing, but multiple things.

>>71427869
Which if you look at GW's release schedule for last year is not what they did.

>>71427762
I gotta post this on /40kg/ & get some opinions.

>>71427890
We're not talking about 40k though. We're talking about how we would develop Fantasy rather than killing it and creating a whole new range.

>>71427890
Make sure you provide proper context.

>>71427798
>like magic
Like what?
>the cap increase to 50% on Heroes and Lords?
Yes. Chaos characters are hella expensive so I'm glad that I can squeeze in both a lvl 4 and a Lord when I want to.

>>71427881
>Which if you look at GW's release schedule for last year is not what they did.
See >>71427791

>>71427930
Alongside introducing the Adeptus Mechanicus, and Genestealer Cults, two whole new armies, and alongside introducing tons of updated models for Chaos and plastic Banshees and character models and tons of other crap as well.

>>71427881
>>71427904
Anon, you're currently spewing
>YOU JUST NU HU
While mindlessly ignoring everything he(?) wrote. Stuff looted ork vehicles were extremely popular among ork players and got lots of people into orks. He didn't cite an irrelevant idea, he cited a successful case and analyzed why it worked.

>>71427941
>Alongside introducing the Adeptus Mechanicus
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Cult_Mechanicus_(7th_Edition)

>>71427941
Oh and Sisters of Battle. So over the last few years, we've had THREE Army releases and revamps.

>>71427946
What does that have to do with anything I said? In fact, it's actually in FAVOUR of what I said because the plan I laid out encourages players to buy models from other armies in order to use them alongside the new armies. It's literally encouraging the same thing.

>>71427881
>Yes, congrats, making excuses for people to buy small armies at lower points cost and for buying multiple factions at lower points cost as an initial drum-up-interest moment is exactly how that works. They don't have to be good, they just have to show the new army and give players encouragement to buy stuff other than just the main range of the newly vamped army. It literally is fixing the situation.
No? Beastmen being shit on tabletop helped make it the neglected thing it is.

>>71427957
So even more releases going back even longer. Thank you for conceding. Now what's your idea instead?

>>71427969
Same for Bretonnians only they hadn't had anything new since 6th.

>>71427798
No, but that’s solely because I haven’t had a chance to play 8th. If I did though I’d definitely go with the ET Nagash revisions to TK rules, since prior stuff like being unable to march had gimped them badly.

>>71427941
>Alongside introducing the Adeptus Mechanicus
I think you conflate 8ed with 7ed.
>alongside introducing tons of updated models for Chaos and plastic Banshees and character models and tons of other crap as well
By "tons", you mean more of the typical new models every now and then?
>>71427961
>Oh and Sisters of Battle
Oh my god this is desperate.

>>71427969
So give them an update alongside the rest of it as we go forward. A new list published in a campaign where Bretonnia fights an errantry war against Beastmen and new models to boot! Lookit that fixed it.

>>71427970
>So even more releases going back even longer.
Okay, what are you even saying? This is like pointing out 8th edition TK technically existed. All I'm saying is that no, AdMech existed for longer on the tabletop.

>>71427995
How is this desperate? It's a brand new range of plastic minis and updated rules that was released not a few months ago, thus proving you wrong.

Now give me your idea on what you'd do rather than complaining. Because your sole argument is 'Dude, looted vehicles' and 'The rules suck'.

>>71428013
I'm saying that you said that they only focus on armies that don't sell when we've been getting tons of releases for all sorts of armies alongside new armies being introduced AND the Primaris wankfest too plus bringing in new campaigns and new events to encourage people to play. Hell, GW's largely doing my proposed plan already just a bit shittier for 40k.

>>71428000
>just update them
Opposed to more Marines or the WHFB popular armies? The poster boys and most of the armies?

>>71428030
Until you give a similar plan for how you would work on WHFB rather than turn it into AoS I'm not even going to reply to you anymore after this. It's blatantly clear you're just trolling at this point and ignoring the central premise; how do you make people buy models and continue supporting the game. You've just been moaning about primaris and more. Go to /40kg/ if you want to do that.

>>71427881
>Dude yourself. Explain how you'd expand and grow Fantasy and develop it more. I satisfied every complaint you've been making with it.

First off, enough with this samefag shit. Secondly, if you answer
>I'll clean up the rug by burning it
then yes, it's very relevant that the rug being dirt-free post burning isn't a good response. Finally, one criticism you're getting is that theory isn't all that great in practice.

>>71428016
>It's a brand new range of plastic minis and updated rules that was released not a few months ago, thus proving you wrong.
AOS gets those very often yet 40k outsells it.

>>71428055
Right, trolling it is, because you're ignoring what I'm saying and just going 'nuh-uh' and spouting nonsense about it not being practice. Do you even work in a commercial sector? Have you even been involved in marketing?

>>71428075
No one said it had to outsell 40k. Only that it would have to be continued in a way that would sell more models.

Your big complaints are:

>Unbalanced Lists
>Main factions are all people buy
>People like conversion.

And my proposals address them all. Revamp the lists with new models, add in main/popular releases at the same time. Tie in the new armies to the other releases to encourage cross-army sales and provide conversion fodder.

>>71427961
Anon, you're openly ignoring everything others are saying while saying they fail to respond to you. Honestly, you take criticism worse than those T9A guys. And no, I would say it's not in favor. Orkifying vehicles is a rule-endorsed way to convert and reuse old models. Unless these new models are truly easily convertable or reusable in each other's armies, this isn't relevant.

>>71428078
>Do you even work in a commercial sector? Have you even been involved in marketing?
Commercial here, the industry every now and then gets some hotshot thinking his idea will demolish the entire industry. Some time ago, that idiot Sam Harris came to a security consultant with these ideas and got loads of responses about how infeasible his ideas are in practice.

>>71428091
>Your big complaints are:
>>Unbalanced Lists
>>Main factions are all people buy
>>People like conversion.
I'll cite>>71428055 & say
>First off, enough with this samefag shit.

Next, it doesn't. All you do is say it would.
>They don't have to be good, they just have to show the new army and give players encouragement to buy stuff other than just the main range of the newly vamped army.
But why would showing them new armies automatically lead to a purchase? How will this "encouragement" be delivered? What if the attention for the "main" stuff overshadows the side stuff? These all happened for different industries.

>>71428097
I had a look over at the other thread and all the posts there are supporting what I'm saying. You're bringing up irrelevant points and spouting nonsense.

>>71428125
How are these ideas anything like his? How is updating old armies and other underdeveloped parts of the Warhammer world (thus the reason why these other armies don't sell being solved) while also keeping the popular army players buying new stuff AND providing a simple mechanism to allow players to play smaller games where you don't need a full 2000 points army AND bring in units from armies they don't normally buy an unfeasible idea? It's literally solving all the issues. You lower price entry, you encourage more sales, you keep existing players satisfied and you expand the fluff and range.

>>71428163
Basically according to you, introducing the Ad Mech, and bringing back Genestealer Cults and Sisters of Battle were poor decisions by GW then.

>>71428163
>People don't buy an army because of weak rules and no new models
>People don't buy an army because of revamped balanced rules that are up to date with the current edition and new models.

People just don't buy anything from GW apart from tanks to turned into looted ork vechicles and primaris, huh.

So how would you do it?

>>71428000
Depends on rules. If Brets were to be shit in the metagame, you'd see sales drop. Adding to what an above anon said, you have a lot of confidence that Geedubs can maintain this. They would definitely cut costs here and neglect immediately after. Take nids, they got recently fucked after being decent-ish in the first time since forever. An up-there compaint was about how will geedubs maintain what you say.

>>71428232
About as well as they maintain 40k. Which is to say a financial success and people buy the models. Your argument now is just 'You don't know if you can write good rules'.

>>71428169
>I had a look over at the other thread and all the posts there are supporting what I'm saying
>"What part of it, it's a long post."
>"I don't even fully understand what he's trying to say other than bitching that marines get releases as if that's new information"
>"He is right that in the initial premises based on how well 8th edition been financially and about company decisions in order to sustain profit margins, it's hard to argue against the data, but I do have the issue as to why. 8th editions success has correlated plenty with board game revival, especially after many people started migrating from vidya and tcgs into board games and pnp, with: dnd, pathfinder, and 40k getting especially big from it. Another thing is that with 8th we've seen many competitors die off due to their own mistakes AND GW slowly filling out niches that competition would fill, thus securing more of the market."
>"seeing someone state that gw manages 40k factions well made me spit out coffee to laugh"
The one guy who agrees says he disagrees with your reasoning.

>>71428232
>40k has shit rules and shit balance
>Still sales gangbusters by introducing new factions, revamping older ones every so often, and supporting Space Marines and Chaos.

According to you, 40k is a failure.

>>71428251
The context of this argument is to get people to buy enough plastic to keep Fantasy around. Not neccesarily produce a balanced and good wargame. If they did that, I'd have all the army books pulled and release a single book containing them all within with a massive singular update, but that's not conducive to good sales.

>>71428251
And yes, they do agree with me, aside from that one which misunderstood what I was talking about and then later corrected himself. Thank you.

SO what is YOUR plan then? Evidently mine is stupid according to... nothing really, you just keep rambling on, but please do enlighten me. Tell me what you would do.

>>71428251
>yeah i read the reply chain after. gw has certainly done well financially

>>71428251
I read through the replies, you're pretty much mistaken. They're agreeing with the other anon.

>>71428202
>>71428221
>>71428247
Curious how many of these are the same angry anon hypocritically calling out the other guy on dodging his posts.

>>71428326
Dodging what posts? And what's your plan?

>>71428275
>>71428289
>>71428306
>>71428325
Yet again, I'm curious of samefagging. I checked out that thread so that's unsupported.
>Yeah, seperate of the discussion of quality the big addition of Primaris has been a huge success. They are everywhere among the players and communities, which is something that droves the folks that dislike them up the wall.
Which would agree with >>71427869's
>It's more profitable to push the newest space marine army.

>yeah i read the reply chain after. gw has certainly done well financially
Only agrees with financial development, which other guys have linked to the state of the industry, as well as the above about Primaris Marines being uber popular. Please inquire on the reasons they say so.

>>71428335
See here, by this point, few are taking your bait. You cite posts without knowing the reasoning why. Very few agree in the way you do. One says Primaris Marines, which another anon talked about opportunity costs supporting more Marines instead of a new army, being a top seller with backlash resulting from it. Indeed, time put into other models means less time for Primaris Marines. Another agrees with success but cites the state of the industry as a prime reason, something you never brought up before. You miss why they agree and how little these responses correlate.

>>71428275
>Still sales gangbusters by introducing new factions, revamping older ones every so often, and supporting Space Marines and Chaos.
>According to you, 40k is a failure.
40k is always #1 or clse in the industry no matter gw's shit business choices. Next you say kirby era 40k was all sunshine n rainbows good business choices all because they had the inertia to survive fuckups.

>>71428275
>The context of this argument is to get people to buy enough plastic to keep Fantasy around.
Other guy tlaked about orkifying vehicles which DID lead to lots of new ork players. Why not just stop hiking prices so high if that's the case?

>>71428169
>How are these ideas anything like his? How is updating old armies and other underdeveloped parts of the Warhammer world (thus the reason why these other armies don't sell being solved) while also keeping the popular army players buying new stuff AND providing a simple mechanism to allow players to play smaller games where you don't need a full 2000 points army AND bring in units from armies they don't normally buy an unfeasible idea?
Wouldn't sell as much. Just make more space marines. Sad but not every army has such a devoted fanbase that refurbishing them leads to huge sales. You'd get some new fans but so would pushing out more space marines. Space marines are everywhere in 40K so advertising is practically done. If people released tau auxiliaries, as much as id like some, i doubt tau would get as many new players as just releasing more space marines. Harsh but sticking with whats popular instead of new thing every second can make more cash. Just see all those Gw side games which don't get support anymore. They figured pouring cash into the main games = more money.

I doubt GW is just going to re-release the old factions from 8th edition, especially with the map reveal they did recently. So it would be a good idea to start with 9th Age, right?

What a purposeless argument. Why even have this argument unless you’re actively working for GW and are in a high enough position to be making these high-level business decisions.

Post warhammer stuff

>>71428744
What does that have to do with Warhammer Fantasy?

>>71428169
>I had a look over at the other thread and all the posts there are supporting what I'm saying. You're bringing up irrelevant points and spouting nonsense.

>Fantasy had way more issues than 40k, to be fair.
8e 40k only had soft-reset for their rules, fantasy had to reboot everything for several reasons.
40k was a mostly original IP, Fantasy wasn't and their biggest original race were skaven. AoS let them reset everything and focus on making more unique factions to a fantasy setting as opposed to lazy copy of irl settings that bloat up the setting yet go no where and no one wants to support. 40k still has developers who are passionate, old fantasy had their lead developer leave 2 edition before its death while being kept on life support by people who are not even familiar with the setting. The rules for the game did not help either, they just kept getting worse and worse.
The price of entry for fantasy spiraled out of control just for a basic army due to army costs per unit being comically low, and attempts to balance only kept making the system worse.

People were not buying models, and no new models were being produced, creating a vicious loop of no reason to support a system that had no fresh blood to keep hobby alive and no people buying into it. The playerbase was also all-time low, few angry grogs don't matter when they don't spend money and don't contribute anything beyond complaining about the game.
There was next to nothing to salvage of the old fantasy setting, it was a rotting corpse. Looking into the issues you'll find plenty more reasons why fantasy were killed, GW alone have many articles on it, this is just some reasons.

>>71429114
Easy. Focus on what's popular. Trying to make the less popular more popular has potential but there's many reasons why a developer would choose to capitalize on what's hot. In 40K, space marines are hot. Maybe too hot and soaking up all the attention but they definitely sell. Making more space marines is just satisfying a demand they know exists. Trying to make new demand can work but they can just as easily fail to create new demand that's anywhere as hot. Many reasons for sticking with the safe hotness than try to produce new hotness that might not be as hot.

>>71429136
>The price of entry for fantasy spiraled out of control
Correct.

>lazy copy of irl settings that bloat up the setting yet go no where and no one wants to support
Wrong, low iq, cringe.

>>71429251
>lazy copy of irl settings that bloat up the setting yet go no where and no one wants to support
Not him but there's many reasons for the death of Fantasy. All the focus going to 40k, prices being prohibiting, etc.

>>71429251
It's a fact anon, large portion of fantasy carried baggage from older editions that was introduced but never expanded upon and had no one in GW willing to work to expand it. Nippon, Araby, Kislev, Cathay being some examples of relics of GW trying to chase trends that ended up doing either nothing, or little, positive for the setting with no developer wanting to work on them. Top of that GW have multiple articles lamenting about lack of creative freedom due to old fantasy being very safe and boring... fantasy without much in form of unique IP. It doesn't matter if you didn't find it safe and boring, keep in mind, but to GW design team who were in charge of working on fantasy.
And as I said earlier: there was no passion left. Last few editions, even if it had sold decently in some alternative timeline, just did not have the team to support it.

>>71429334
There was plenty of passion left, previous writers have even said as much and worked on tertiary Fantasy projects following its death. The rot was due to prices, rules and lack of support. The decision to kill it was from an out of touch CEO chasing profits where he thought they lay, not due to 'lack of passion'

>>71429334
The thing is, GW spent years trying to kill anything interesting and new. They were tremendously risk-averse until relatively recently.
If Warhammer felt safe and boring the company only had itself to blame.

>>71429451
That's a fair point that I don't disagree with.

>>71429451

Personally I’m very turned off by primarines and stormcast but I can’t understand the constant whining. We live in the golden age of war games, GW is actually moving. Holy shit, they sat on their hands for years doing fuck all until now. Sure some of their moves might not be what you want, but it works. A friend of mine doesn’t touch warhammer and yet GW was the beat performing UK equity in his portfolio by a long shot.

It might change in future, things usually do. But right now from a performance perspective it’s hard to argue that GW are doing badly. Old GW was terribly managed no-one debates that, but the change has in many ways done it good.
Also this isn’t the 90’s. they are not the only show in town. There so many companies stealing the oldhammer aesthetic and doing it better. Almost every faction has a proxy often better than the originals. This is a golden age, I seriously don’t understand the whine.

How does death play in WHFB? I want to make a skeleton army I can use in both aos and this system.

>>71429769
>5 quid has been deposited into your account

>>71429852
> calling it 'Death'

hoo boi

>>71429938
I freely admit I am a total war playing nongrog.

How do skeletons play

>>71429960
Depends on whether you mean spooky scary skeletons or spooky sandy skeletons.

In both cases, the actual skellies/zombies are generally garbage chaff and it's the rest of the army that differentiates. Vamps are probably the simpler faction, since they have some beefy units and absolute powerhouse characters. Kangz are trickier to manage but fun if you like giant monsters and chariots.

>>71423378

>>71429769
>We live in the golden age of war games

>>71430262
He’s kind of right we are in an era of crazy amounts of choice for both games and minis. Granted that has its own draw backs as many companies dumb themselves down and as people who care more about if the game has a woman, gay, or none white person in it than if it’s actually a decent game are drawn into the hobby it will probably be a cancer on communities like it always is, but in a lot of ways things are better then they have ever been

>>71430016
I was going to run skellies and nighthaunt for some mechanical variance in AoS. Maybe I could run the ghosts as somewhat analogous tomb kings roles.

I'm probably gonna use the wargames atlantic classical skellies, which is still a bronze age aesthetic if not outright egyptian. I know tomb kings does a lot of massed archery, which unfortunately doesn't really exist for AoS, so I'd probably just have to have some units built just for whfb.

>>71430262

Seriously? Just match the rules you like to the minis you want. Like whfb, cool great eBAy the old minis, or turn to 3rd parties, the rules aren’t going anywhere. Hate whfb? Go 9th age or kings of war, shit mantic has their own minis, hate them, fine. Switch to GW or mierce or scibor or norba or last sword or lost kingdom.

OR maybe you don’t like mass battles, you want mordhiem. Hey there’s fan support and eBay. Hate that, here’s frostgrave, oh look punga do great gutter runners.

Hate it all? Why are you here? Use some imagination instead of wanting to be spoon fed like a child.

>>71429769
I always try to take these things in a balanced way. The end of Warhammer broke my heart, but realistically I hadn't played in a long time anyway, partially because they weren't producing anything that really inspired me and partially because they priced themselves out of my reach.

The marketing names, the cheap, model-derivative art, the terrible writing and the Stormcast made me absolutely hate AoS and the Primaris and the whole new 40k background is terrible.
But equally, they have also produced a bunch of nice models. Skitarii and Genestealer Cults were something I always wanted to see in 40k and they're both perfect. The new squigs are great. I like the ghosts, especially the hoodening-style ones. The chaos sphinx thing is very imaginative, especially compared to something like the mutalith vortex beast.

I can't see myself becoming a regular customer again. It's just too expensive to justify much beyond a small warband these days. But they have made some good changes and they're obviously doing well out of it. So there's that.

>>71429960
Best "death" army would be Henrich Kemmler's Barrow Legion(army of the crains) ok so I am sure you are asking why that would be, it's really quite simple, it's the original undead army book with some fat trimmed, but that's ok as you get a wonderful middle ground. Where as Vampire Counts get 0 ranged, the Barrow list gets javelin throwing skeletons, they have a barrow guard that's kinda a mix of the tomb and grave guard, they get siege equipment as well as chariots(Lord/hero option only), but still get that sweet Necromancy summons. Funny side note, Krell or any Barrow King can be mounted on a chariot. To me if you want a Necromancy army, you can't beat it.

>>71430555

To follow from >>71430398 which games have thus infestation, tumblr tards lack the will to paint and run an army, they get bored. They want instant gratification over effort anyhow.

>>71430620

Then don’t be. You can enjoy something and not be completely dominated by it. Cherry pick what you like.

>>71430624
I'd like to go fully skeletal if possible, which is to say no vampires, ghouls or zombies.

What edition do most of you play? 8th, or is there a general consensus on which one was best?

What’s a good way to get gnoblars and none night goblins cheap? The gnoblar army look great and a gitmob grots army for AoS would also be neat so two birds one stone and all.

>>71430701
All skeletons is viable in AoS, fantasy less so
I did see this once somewhere and thought it was interesting enough to put in a text doc

Skeleton Warriors have an ability which gives them 1 extra attack when at 20 or more models or 2 extra attacks when at 30 or more models. That puts each skeleton at 3 attacks. If the Wight King is your general, his command ability allows you to give a DEATHRATTLE unit an additional attack. In Grand Host of Nagash, he can take an additional command trait that does the same thing. The command trait plus command ability plus extra attacks skeletons get for having a big unit equals 5 attacks per skeleton. In a unit of 40, that's 200 attacks! But that's not all, the necromancer can cast his Vanhel's Danse Macabre on that unit of skeletons to allow them to pile in and attack twice in the same turn. Now, you've got 400 attacks from one single unit in one turn. That's hilarious.

>>71430690
Well... yeah. That's what I do.

>>71430701
6th and up, look up (Warhammer army of the Lichemaster) it's freaking awesome, just check it out while you look into the VC and TK. The main draw for me at the time was I got to use mummies, and yeah they used to be a elite option before we had their full army(TK). Good ole Kemmler even has his own lore of magic.

Bretonnia is neat and I still remember my one trial game where a charging group of Knights of the Realm smashed into some daemonettes.

>>71430555
>Hate it all? Why are you here?

Maybe he's a grognard from back when the minis had soul and the rules weren't shit.

>>71431006
>Nubile daemonettes get pierced by huge, hard wooden shafts.

>>71430398
I think it's more that, yes, there's more games on the market. But those games are Kickstarter stillbirths that are dead on arrival. There's an illusion of choice, but there's little activity beyond friend groups in their clubs and garages.

>>71431125
>there's little activity beyond friend groups in their clubs and garages.
That's all there should be, tournaments are cancer.

>>71431006
Yeah, Bretonnia packs quite the punch. I still remember my first game against them when the first charge roflstomped a unit of Nurgle Warriors harder than I've ever seen.

>>71431303
I'm not even factoring tournaments into it, game stores with play spaces where you can drop in for a pick up game and act as a hub for the area that don't have the space or friend group who wargame. Buy into a KS wargame without any of that and it's just so much crap taking up your space with nothing to do.

>>71431686

But KS games for rule sets are always a bit dodgy, for the minis though they are pretty great. Tournaments are a cancer, especially for whfb, it should be played with mates and a beer with allowances for a good story.

>>71431080
I don’t understand this view, if you like the old rules just go back? Also the whole ‘soul’ thing, some I get like the blood knights and much of the tomb king stuff but come on most is just meme-tier nostalgia. There are people doing the same or better now.

>>71431686
>game stores with play spaces where you can drop in for a pick up game and act as a hub for the area that don't have the space or friend group who wargame
You don't even need to be a KS game for that to be a problem. You can solve the friend group issue by making friends with others at your LGS or wargaming club and asking if they want to give this other game a burl, anyway.

Just how much of everything bad in the setting is malekith responsible for? Because if you go by Gortex and Felix the collapse of the dwarven holds is also in part his fault

Just think, some random elven autist and his mother did more to doom the world than any champion of chaos by orders of magnitude

>>71433111
Morathi is the one to blame. You could potentially trace all the evil back to her and her scheming. She even ruined Malekith.