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Justify melee combat in your sci-fi setting.

>> No.70850624
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>>70850597
It's cool.

>> No.70850631

>>70850597
Armor technology has outpaced small arms to a sufficient enough degree that jet engine powered melee weapons with monomolecular edges is the only efficient way of breaching infantry armor while still being even vaguely man portable.

>> No.70850652

>>70850597
Firing semi-auto shotguns with AP rounds isn't a good idea inside a relatively fragile habitat / ship. Close-quarters combat is a lot safer for one's self as well as being less likely to cause critical failure on electrical / coolant / life support systems, even avoiding any sort of structural damage.

>> No.70850657

>>70850624
Based and Chadpilled

>> No.70850663
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>>70850597
1. Energy shielding blocks ENERGY, not physical matter.
2. Body armor has reached a point where only high-powered vibro-weapons can cut through it, and unfortunately bullets are generally too small to be fitted with the high-frequency sonic-generators required.

There, done.

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>>70850624
FPBP

>> No.70850724

>>70850663
>generally too small
now im interested in someone running around with a 20mm shoulder cannon on a spaceship.

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>>70850624
Based.

>> No.70850812

>>70850597
In my setting a race of douchebag aliens forbade anyone using anything but melee weapons. Cuz too dangerous. The madmen even modified the rules of the universe so ranged isn't possible (with some exceptions like bows). Mecha still doesn't exist and ships are shaped like masive battering rams or swords.

>> No.70850824

>>70850597
Gun control is a thing and is rather stringently enforced where the adventure is taking place. While guns, very powerful guns do exist, it's almost impossible for you guys to get them, but things like knives and clubs and the like are easier to get hold of.

>> No.70850832

>>70850812
>sword-shaped battery rams
>not grapplers
Fuck you, you have shit taste. More settings need wrestling and swordfighting spaceships.

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>>70850652

This. Guns arn't always readily available and are often restricted in most places. Even civilian law enforcement types often make use of pneumatic guns and non-lethal weapons like quick acting jell guns.

Knives, batons, knuckles dusters and anything else that can stab, cut, and bonk are prolific among spacers as well as learning how to fight in zero G

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>>70850832
Shit, forgot pic.

>> No.70851223

>>70850597
Imagine shooting a hole in the hull of a ship in space. That's not a good thing, especially if you're stealing the ship.

>> No.70851263

>>70850597
>>70850624 this, and small-scale deflectors that can stop small arms fire if you want fluffy reasons. Which interestingly would open up the way for widespread use of flamethrowers too

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>>70850597
As long as there are bars, and as long as there are people to frequent bars, there will be barfights
Same with any other kind of petty violence, why bother escalating to shooting (and getting a much bigger response from the station cops) when you can just kick the shit out of the fucker?
Apart from that, gladiatorial combat but in space, pic related

>> No.70851400

>>70850597
RULES OF NATURE

>> No.70851442

>>70850624
literally about to post this

>> No.70851454

>>70851263
Bc consuming huge amounts of oxygen in space is a good idea.

>> No.70851559

I dont have a sci-fi setting

>> No.70851633
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>>70850597
>>70850624
FPBP

>> No.70851713

>>70850597
One of the races in my setting glorifies melee combat so much they put all their science into defense to allow the privileged warriors the chance to engage and possibly die in glorious melee battles. Ranged weapons are fortunately for the weak and lawbreakers of said society.

>> No.70851727

>>70850624
fpbp

>> No.70851737

>>70850624
/thread

>> No.70851754

Firearms run out of ammo. My knife doesn't. Also, any sharp stick can poke holes; it's a little harder to make a useful firearm.

>> No.70851770

>>70850624
based
this board needs to get a grip sometimes

>> No.70851806
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>>70850624
This. If you have to explain it just do it the way Dune does.

>> No.70851807

>>70850624
500 IQ?
this man's got 70850624 IQ, because that's the most based take ever made.

>> No.70851808

>>70850597
>I can give you hard science:
-Space ships are hyper pressurized
-Full of delicate electronics running on supremely high amplitudes
-Your sitting on liquid/solid Oxygen tanks
-Shrapnel and debris from richochet objects has very little forces acting on it to slow down

TLDR firearms and projectiles are suicide in space

>> No.70851811

Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon. Hand to hand combat is the basis of all combat!

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>>70850597

>> No.70851823
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70851823

Justify melee combat in modern settings.

>> No.70851840
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>>70850597
True armor is often an extra-ordinarily robust material backed up with some form of shielding technology, a weapon strong enough to shoot through all of it is often ridiculously overkill and in close quarters could easily result in the shooter's death. Less advanced firearms are often only marginally effective, so mele weapons which are both technologically advanced and also not radically dangerous to use in close quarters fights are at least always available, though they aren't a go-to solution for all fights. For example, you're in a tight corridor, your enemy runs around the corner in an advanced suit of armor, a man-portable free electron laser in the Xray range will indeed kill them, but it's beam will also transmute the air between the two of you into white hot plasma, resulting in a sizable concussion in the enclosed space, and the air around you will get so hot that you'll catch on fire, and that armor's defensive screens might not stop the beam enough to save the wearer's life but it will reflect enough to give you an instantly lethal dose of radiation. Or you'll miss and punch a hole through several miles of walls, alerting the hostile synthetic faction which can no longer discriminate between you and a new outbreak of unchained biotechnology so it manufactures several sterilizer units and you end up bogged down in hostiles who grow increasingly more and more aggressive the more you resist them. On the other hand, a pocket railgun that shoots tiny frangible darts or ferromagnetic pellets at mach-5 won't even slow them down. So you need something which is sufficiently technologically advanced to slip through the armor's surface defenses, and which is also robust enough to penetrate through it and wound or kill the wearer.

>> No.70851843

>>70850597
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQFhPJuxgk

>> No.70851975

>>70850597
Ships and stations aren't actually that frail, but the weapons needed to punch through powered armour still do a lot of damage, but that isn't the main concern most of the time, but rather the fact that that there is a lot of cramped hallway and tunnel fighting on underground planet side habitats, creating an environment similar to a trench, so it's knuckle irons and trench knives, although bigger and badder versions, galore. Mining tools like drils, plasma cutters and orange transparent chainsaws are popular too, to get though the PA.

>> No.70851989

>>70850597
Firearms are powerful, but unreliable, so people learn't that melee weapons were just as effective, if not more.
This, coupled with the relatively close nature of fights, considering most didn't have the discipline or technological reliability to engage at range, meant most battles were fought very close range, where the might of the individual warrior was more important then the rank discipline of the soldier.
This blend of close and ranged combat stuck with people, so even when technology was reliable, the martial traditions of close engagements, melee combat and warriorism over soldierism prevailed.

>> No.70851996

>>70850597
It's just how they do it. Guns might be considered unhonorable or too loud, or maybe DUNE bullshittery is at hand.

>> No.70852012

>>70851840
This is some blame! shit.

>> No.70852020

>>70850597
In my setting laser weapons are really hot & their heat sinks only allow for one or two shots without overheating. So side arms are very common
Also >>70850624

>> No.70852031

>>70850597
Enhancements and melee weapons have advanced to roughly the same degree as standard guns. Melee is also very effective against the shields everyone uses due to how they disperse force, with grappling and fall damage being especially useful. Electrified or heated weapons are also more practical on a melee level for precise, yet deadly attacks on specific targets.

That said, the military just yeets their absurdly strong bullets at everything

>> No.70852214

>>70850597
Power armor and jetpacks make infantry fast and durable enough that closing the distance to the enemy to beat the shit out of them at melee is viable.

>> No.70852232

>>70850597
Well, in my setting theres magic but theres also varying degrees of gunpowder up to WW1-prototype levels of technology. Since theres a size difference and the magic users are mostly Giants, there is some kind of need for a stylized melee combat the likes of attack on titan. Im still figuring it all out.

>> No.70852272

Takes place in space, mars, moons, etc. Where spaceships, stations, and above ground habitats are thin skinned. So accidentally puncturing the thing holding the air in is a bad idea. Also undesired as you want to capture things in usable condition. So no modern weapons that might cause too much damage.

>> No.70852358

FUCKEN ALIENS TOOK ALL THE GUNS

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>>70850624

>> No.70852408
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>>70852358
>FUCKEN ALIENS TOOK ALL THE GUNS

>> No.70852446

>>70850663
>1. Energy shielding blocks ENERGY, not physical matter.
So by your retarded innerlogic, what's stopping bullets from going through the shield when melee weapons also need kinetic energy to be of any use?

>> No.70852491

>>70850597
>sci-fi setting
I don't have one. However, food for though for other anons.
With any sort of warp technology a blade is going to kill faster then a bullet. One well placed impalement is a guaranteed kill while lasers or bullets would need a few rounds to get the job done. (Provided they don't score a headshot)

Technology is an arms race, by now there would be methods of ranged deflection. Power armor, shields, force fields, nano machines, accelerated recovery. The potential here is near endless. There would come a point things specialize enough that a melee attack would be unexpected. If not, modern warfare would evolve and combat knives or laser swords would be commonplace, along with the technology to enable it.

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>>70852358
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS

>> No.70852510

>>70852446
Maybe it's more like a cloud and drains it slowly, but by being close in it doesn't have time to do it effectively? Or maybe it's faster relative to the mass of an object.

>> No.70852529

>>70850597
Melee weapons are quieter and quicker to deploy in close range.
Honestly, the same reasons we have melee weapons today.

>> No.70852531

I hate how much I love that spear.

>> No.70852540

>>70852531
It's pretty cool. I just wish it had a wooden shaft instead of fiberglass.

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>>70850624
>>70850597

It's pretty easy to create energy fields that simply disallow certain chemical / elemental reactions thus making gunpowder / magnetic rail / laser guns / self propelled missilea, and other ranged weapons unable to fire. Also Hard-light shields can be layered a million times in the space of a meter making unsustained force projectiles unreliable at best.

Yes the fields have a limited radius, yes you probably need to know the ranged attack is coming, yes it is super unhealthy to linger in these fields for more than a few days at a time, yes people have learned to use such fields to attack others offensively but counter fields can cancel out offensive fields. Yes fighting with these fields starts to break down a battlefield into a mess of contradictory physics, argumentative universal forces, and paradoxical unreality.

Thus the patricians choice of punching, lancing, swording each other in giant mechs / exo armor is seen as the most reliable form of combat.

>> No.70852566

>>70850812
>Mecha still doesn't exist
well you up and made your idea completely pointless, congratulations

>> No.70852623

>>70850597
Holtzman effect

>> No.70852683

>>70850624
The majority of melee combat depicted in popular media is just some idiot swinging a sword haphazardly into another idiot and doing so effortlessly endlessly until the plot demands an end to the fight. It's the most boring shit imaginable.

>> No.70852711

>>70852683
The majority of ranged combat depicted in popular media is just some idiot shooting a gun haphazardly in the direction of another idiot and doing so effortlessly endlessly until the plot demands an end to the fight. It's the most boring shit imaginable.

>> No.70852723

>>70850597
First, energy shields and high powered powerarmor made artillery first, melee second, guns last and then dropped.
Then the apocalypse happened, energy shields ran out of interstellar superbatteries to power them and became rare, short term things working 10% of their total and power armor went with the spaceship.
Now the only thing soldiers know how to fight with in their uniforms that double as armor is tacticool longswords and spears while they try to reverse engineer gunpowder from the last remaining guns and supertech left to create enough scarcity that allows melee to stay in power.

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>>70850597
The enemy can not fire his pulse rifle if you disable their hand.

>> No.70852817

>>70850597
People who use guns are inherently cuckolded, and their cuckoldry makes them weak to the bull-like melee weapon users.

>> No.70852860

>>70850724
...And punching holes through the hull and into space...

>> No.70852946

>>70850597
Yeah go ahead and discharge your weapon in a vacuum sealed spaceship, I'm sure things will go swimmingly.

>> No.70852954

>>70850597
"If you wanted to teach a baby a lesson, would you cut its head off? Of course not. You'd paddle it. There can be circumstances when it's just as foolish to hit an enemy city with an H-bomb as it would be to spank a baby with an axe. War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him...but to make him do what you want to do. Not killing...but controlled and purposeful violence. But it's not your business or mine to decide the purpose of the control. It's never a soldier's business to decide when or where or how -- or why -- he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals. The statesmen decide why and how much; the generals take it from there and tell us where and when and how. We supply the violence; other people -- 'older and wiser heads,' as they say -- supply the control. Which is as it should be."

>> No.70853043

>>70850597
Personal shield tech advanced parallel to gun tech, however like Mass Effect it only protects against stuff going a certain speed. Therefore some have taken to using weapons like high-tech bows/crossbows and even melee weapons.

>> No.70853118

>>70852946
>hard sealed breach team
>fires a single 9memeometer into your shitty tin can
>asphixiates your entire crew
Anti-personnel, kid.

>> No.70853131

>>70852954
Who does this quote belong to because he sounds like a faggot.
"If fighting is sure to result in victoty then you must fight"

>> No.70853168

>>70850597
Ballistic weapons have been outlawed off world in micro gravity and aboard ships, stations and colonies due to that sonuvabitch Issac Newton making every bullet fired deadly forever. Directed energy weapons quickly replaced ballistics for use in combat but are too bulky to be wielded by anything smaller than a SAFS (super armor fighting suit) so Infantry rely instead on melee weapons and CQC when fighting in these theaters of combat. Most engagements begin with a barrage of electronic warfare to disrupt computers and communications, directed energy attacks to destroy sensitive equipment like radiators and solar panels and teams of Marines armed with breaching pikes wearing ablative ceramic armor.

>> No.70853174

>>70850663
This just means "magic".

>> No.70853183

>>70850624
Based and chainsword pilled

>> No.70853187

>>70853168
>fired bullets are deadly forever
>a measly mach 1.2
>micro asteroids are zipping through space at mach10+
Duhhhhh, da gun be scawy

>> No.70853202

>>70853187
projectiles are fired fast enough to pierce armor and flesh. which means any speed equal to that or faster is deadly. also you forgot relative velocity but i expected nothing less from a mouthbreather.

>> No.70853217

>>70850597
You ever see what happens when you start shooting shit in an oxygen rich environment?

>> No.70853236

>>70853202
>relative velocity
>fast enough to pierce armor and flesh
>conveniently ignores the entire point
DUHHHHHH, BUT DA SPESSSHEP IS MOVIN AWAYS FROM DA ASTEWOID AND TOWAWDS DA BOOWET

>> No.70853250

>>70853217
Nothing. Gunpowder has its own oxidizer and is sealed very well from atmosphere. At worst, a gun fired in a room saturated with O2 has more muzzle flash.

>> No.70853255

>>70853236
you forgot your wojack shitposter.

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>>70850597
shields are too dense so one must engage the enemy with their shields to disable them where contact is made

imagine being like a spider underwater and the air bubble around the spider is that shield

>> No.70853289

>>70853255
>gets btfo because he doesnt know shit about space
>cries like the bitch he is
Next you can tell me how firearms are usless in vacuum anyways!

>> No.70853290

>>70850597
The hulls on space stations and civilian ships are generally thin and not built to withstand modern ranged weapons. Armor-piercing picks, hammers, and boarding axes are common weapons among troops fighting in close quarters in microgravity, as they are effective, are extremely unlikely to breach the hull, and are unlikely to start fires in the combat zone, which are horrifying in microgravity.

>> No.70853313

>>70850597
>>70850624
>>70851442

>> No.70853328

>>70850597
>everyone in this thread saying "guns in space bad because holes in ship"
Why exactly is breaching an enemy controlled spacecraft a BAD thing, again? If you're raiding a ship or station why dont you just breach it, let everyone inside die, then patch the hole? No extraneous structural damage, no harm to any systems. You've burnt a little bit of oxygen but you spent so much less aquiring the station its likely still a net gain over breaching with a fucking axe.
Do you guys even think about the shit you post or do you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of guns?

>> No.70853466

Knives are quiet, deadly, reusable and cheap.
Warhammer: powered weapons that can turn tanks into paper.
Star wars: reflect shots back and saw down doors.
Other less fantasy media: people with guns won't
risk shooting into each other when some one busts into the middle with a sword.

>> No.70853469

>>70853328
You might not want everyone inside dead, for one. You might be playing in a setting where people are actually concerned about rules of engagement, war crimes, and so on, or the actual goal of attacking an enemy ship is to capture someone on board.

For another, I'd imagine that a single breach that could kill everyone inside would cause extraneous damage and harm systems - it's common in sci-fi for ships and stations to have bulkheads that seal off in the event that one section has a breach and loses pressure.

But I mean, yeah. Those other anons are total faggots who can't into /k/ and air marshalls and submarine crews are packing M-60s with 7.62mm depleted uranium rounds because caring about hull damage is for fucking pussies.

>> No.70853510

>>70853328
>single tosser enters your ship
>now you're dead because you had to open fire and one shot missed
You are the stupid.

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>>70850624
My absolute nigga.

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>>70850624

>> No.70853623

>>70852446
Wow, it's like you didn't even read the entire post where that was LITERALLY answered. Retard.

>> No.70853648

>>70850597

The universe is dying and the very concept of combustion is weaking every day. People can barely maintain fires going, whilst explosion barely have enough impact to propel bullets.

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>>70852012
speaking of swords in a cyberpunk setting

>> No.70853674

>>70853510
>single tosser enters your ship
>shooting him dead because your ship isnt made of aluminum foil
You act like mass matters when your ships are constructed outside atmo.

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>>70850597
Why the fuck would your spacestation crew be carrying guns in such a tight environemt with lots of easily breakable equipment and no external invasive forces like pirates.

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>>70853678
>bill of needs
Not on my watch, fag

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>>70850597

bigger, tougher, massive machines and creatures cannot be hurt by small gunfire or even small explosions.

killing them requires melee combat to survive toe to toe

>> No.70854102

suck my bulkhead

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>>70851559
but you do have autism

>> No.70854144

>>70852860
So the kind of thing boarding pirates or spec ops soldiers who don't care about about the crews survival would use.

>> No.70854171

>>70850597
Shooting bullets in space can damage the ship and be detrimental to the one shooting as well as the one being targeted. Lasers powerful enough to melt armour ionize the air too much and take time and heavy batteries to recharge. So people go back to using crossbows and swords.

>> No.70854211

>all these people saying small arms fire will breach spaceship walls
What the fuck are the ships in your setting made out of, wet paper towels?

>> No.70854282

>>70854211
This. We use small arms on mpdern ships there's no reason space ships wouldn't be at least as resilient.

Sure the ISS or the space shuttle are basically tissue paper, but but that's because we launch everything from is the ground and weight is of vital importance.

But once you start building in space that's no longer an issue and if we get to combat happening in space ships will be much more robust. There's no big reason not to build them that way at that point

>> No.70854283

>>70850597
The slow blade penetrates the shield.

Or maybe it's that a shield can deflect or rob kinetic energy from small objects (or objects of limited mass), but it's much less effective vs. larger objects. And in this case, what matters is less the size of the hand-to-hand weapon you're using, and more the fact that you're holding said weapon, forcing the shield to work (ineffectively) against your entire body. So basically what happens is that you when you make your attack, the shield envelopes you, allowing you inside it instead of deflecting you, like it would with a bullet.

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>>70850624
Yes... This will make a fine addition to my collection.

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>>70851808
>can provide hard science
>still can't differentiate contractions and possessives

>> No.70854321

>>70850597
It's the bronze age

>> No.70854352

Man finally eliminated all firearms from the Earth after the great Drumpf riots of 2020. Realizing that the world didn't need to be held hostage by Red-neck inbred scum bag conservatives, people finally rose up to remove the president, fight for free healthcare, finally recognize the science of global warming, and peacefully turn in all guns for the safety of our children.

>> No.70854550

>>70850597
Ever read Dune?

>> No.70854599

>>70850597
Shooting inside of sci-fi ships full of fuel lines and volatile compounds is generally not a great idea for either side.

>> No.70854621

>>70850597
PUT YOUR HAND ON THAT WALL, TROOPER

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>>70850597

Consider the fact that anything that would increase my physical abilities to be a better fighter isn't just going to make my shooting abilities better.

I'm stronger than you, I'm faster than you, the second you're in my grip you're not getting me to let go. From the perspective of efficency I just put a bullet in your head and move on to the next chump but I could also beat you to death or stab you if I was so inclined to do so and what would you, a random space towel head or ancapistani who thinks you're arsenal of surplus military ordinance you barely know how to use from browsing space /k/ will do anything to stop me.

>> No.70854697

>>70850597
The slow blade penetrates the shield

>> No.70854712

>>70850597
The same way melee combat is justified today, in real life.
>>70850624

>> No.70854713

>>70854352
I know you're shitposting and all but I got AIDS from reading this

>> No.70854717

>>70852446
It's like you didn't even read the post

>> No.70854719

>>70850624
BASED

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>>70850624
Came here to post this.

>> No.70854735

>>70850812
>no mecha
>ships just ram each other instead of preforming boarding actions with giant grappling claws

You taste is as shit as your setting

>> No.70854740

>>70854713
AIDS is an ETD now?

>> No.70854933

1. Anyone claiming they will rupture the hull and cause explosive decompression does not understand how pressure works.
Internal atmosphere will be at 1 atmo, the diference between a vacum and 1 atmo is 14 psi. Your fucking tyers are at about 30 psi, and they handle punctures non-explosively just fine. Hell, the most common type of tyre failure is, wait for it, a slow puncture...

2. Your outer hull needs to be able to resist micrometeors, anything man-portable isnt going to scratch it.

3. Yes electronics are fragile as fuck, and projectiles around a lot of them them are a really fucking bad idea, but that just means that only legitimate law enforement are allowed to have them and they are kept back for emergencies like say when some dumbfuck criminal gets their hands on one and puts the station at risk.
By the same token, anyone who does not care about colataral damage can blast away.


The only reasonable arguments for melee in space is stealth purposes, or the threat of legal retaliation is severe enough that even criminals who are willing to kill are not quite willing to break the "no guns" laws because thats a one-way ticket out the airlock.

If you want a sci-fi reason then personal energy shields that only alow onjects moving with a low enough velocity through them, think Dune's force shields. They also have a nice way of getting round the whole "I just use a laser" thing too.

>> No.70854957

>>70850663
I see your vibro sword and raise you a vibow (fine, you could also have a speargun)
Arrows with tiny generators.
"Its just the tip, dont worry."

>> No.70854966

>>70854713
8/10, would live through.
Just a shame the setting is so USA centric.

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>>70850624

>> No.70855019

Everyone wears personal shields, and they are armed with sword-like melee weapons that rapidly cycle through shield frequencies and thus are able to cut through shields. They also can basically cut through anything else thanks to this.

They also use rail guns and specialized ammo to fire volleys that are meant to sap a shield's power and hopefully force them to retreat and let it stabilize.

>> No.70855036

Years later, people are still regurgitating this bait.

>> No.70855038

>>70850624
A lot of people responding to this post are just hiding behind irony and memes. They're the same breed of creature who when question about their fantasy setting will just say a God or wizard did i followed by a nervous laugh and internal coping

>> No.70855044

>>70850597
Nobody plays hard sci-fi, so there is no need to justify anything.

>> No.70855110

>>70850597
guns can't compete against any decent cyborg with a sword

>> No.70855249

>>70855038
But a god/wizard did do it.

>> No.70855286
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>>70852563
>It's pretty easy to create energy fields
Look
Do parrot Dune
But at the least read the books.
Shields as anti gun is only viable in Dune, because you have a layered feudal nobility, which means the feudal nobility is going to use shields in combat.

Which means using the shields as nuclear bombs is a big no no, since it turns into the entire upper aristocracy investigating and burning everybody found slightly guilty.
But once that is out of the way? I would recommend reading Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune.
Very few books deliver on how bonkers FTL invasions using replicators for weapons are. Chapterhouse Dune, DO.

>> No.70855315

>>70854957
Vibows would be great, just watch out, at that tech level and reaction speeds those can be parried

>> No.70855327

>>70850597
AT field

>> No.70855366

Because all the mega superhumans can just slap bullets out of the air or dodge them outright. Swinging a sword around is faster than a bullet in their case, it's more efficient and reliable.

>> No.70855488

>>70850597
Projectiles and energy emissions on space stations are a bad idea + force cloaks are a thing.

Also>>70850624

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>>70850597
Because its ridiculously easy to close the distance between you and your ranged attacker in the future and melee weapons as we know them have improved.

Also >>70850624

>> No.70855601

>>70855038
virgin worldbuilder vs chad forger of worlds

>> No.70855947

>>70855038
This.
Disregard zoomerposting.

>> No.70855962

You don't see enough scifi martial arts.

>> No.70856366
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>>70852566
All fighters in my setting are flying lawnmowers or chainsaws.

>>70854735
Boarding actions still exist. I thought that it was implied. There even are specialised ships with maglocks an hooks. Ramming the enemy is jut the first course of action with boarding being used when ramming fails.

>> No.70856412

>>70850597
Most colonists didn't come to the Frontier with weapons and it's pretty easy to put an edge on a piece of steel.

also this>>70850652
If you swing and hit a bulkhead the weapon will tend to get stuck in the hull and partially plug the hole. AP rounds tend to cause problems.

>> No.70856442

>>70854144
Pirates would want the crew alive for ransom and minimize hull damage to maximize profits.

>> No.70856467

>>70850597
Dueling is widespread and at least tolerated if not endorsed.
Future medical tech makes sure it's pretty safe

>> No.70856662
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>>70850597
Sometimes you just want to stab a motherfucker.

>> No.70856751

>>70856662
go be a zombie somewhere else you dog

>> No.70856837

We've had this same idiotic discussion so many times in the past that at this point I don't think this thread is anything but shitposting.

>> No.70856972

easily man-portable and potentially even easily concealable powered exoskeletons provide a level of passive armoring and improved physical action that would even the gap between melee and ranged if the exoskeleton user can just do a hundred foot horizontal leap and stab you in the neck.

>> No.70857099

>>70850597
Aliens don’t the Ability to throw things with both force and accuracy. As such they had no concept of “ranged combat” until they developed energy weapons. As such, melee training and weaponry is still ubiquitous in alien militaries, despite it being arguably obsolete.
Also, boarding actions mean there’s a lot of close-quarters fighting and that can turn into melee fairly easily.

>> No.70857111

>>70850597
Because I want it in the setting and space pirates with lazer cutlasses are cool.

>> No.70857117

>>70851223
You probably wouldn’t leak air all that fast, honestly. And energy weapons would be almost as bad, because they would introduce additional heat into an effectively closed system (the ship)

>> No.70857121

>>70850597
>Justify melee combat in your sci-fi setting

Same reason we have melee combat today. Sometimes you don't have a gun.

>> No.70857133

>>70855366
>Because all the mega superhumans can just slap bullets out of the air or dodge them outright. Swinging a sword around is faster than a bullet in their case, it's more efficient and reliable.
If the mega superhumans can swing a sword faster than a gun, then they can throw a bullet faster than a gun

>> No.70857145

>>70850597
Easy, you can't get guns quickly or legally in many places but you can get a knife or a club easily anywhere.

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>>70850597
>Justify melee combat in your sci-fi setting.
You have to kill fast and bullets too slow.

>> No.70857167

>>70853649
Where is this from?

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>>70850597
Played a game where the DM actually hated firearms and would penalize PCs for using them. And no, he didn't warn us. We had to learn the hard way.

First red flag though: For whatever reason, every store stocked katanas that this dude went out of his way to describe in far too much detail.

>> No.70857191

>>70857167
Looks like it's BLAME! or something from the same artist.

>> No.70857199

>>70856366
This is unironically a pretty cool idea. You should publish something.

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>>70850597
Holtzman Shields

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>>70850624
ftbp

>> No.70857395

>>70850624
Unfathomably based

>> No.70857593

Haven't read Dune but they had widely-available personal shields that stopped projectiles going above a certain speed threshold, right? Seems like a reasonable answer

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Takes place in space. Missing a shot could kill everyone in a spaceship/colony/thing.

>> No.70858470

>>70858451
That's not how that works, but is believeable enough that I'll accept it.

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>>70850597

>> No.70858573

>>70858470
>Hold, don't shoot fire stick in space canoe. Explosive decompression!
>Spare me your space-age mumbo jumbo, Attila the Hun.

>> No.70858585

>>70850597
because ranged weapons are dishonourable

>> No.70858618

>>70858573
Anon if a boat-of-void can withstand small-stones-that-fly-through-black-sea-of-stars then I'm sure it can withstand fire stick.

>> No.70858662

>>70858573
I don't know why, but this made me laugh far too much at "space attila the hun"

>> No.70858731

>>70858618
There's such a thing as one-way bulletproof glass. Same idea.

>>70858662
https://youtu.be/3sxfITysf70?t=138

>> No.70858742

>>70850597
>Opponent needs to get taken alive for interrogation
>Opponent is a mid-sized drunk who simply needs to get knocked down
>There is no room for collateral damage such as civilian passersby types or essential equipment
>If the fight is in an engine room

>> No.70858972
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Mercenaries are often tasked with missions that take them extremely far from home, and are often tasked with taking out an exceptionally large amount of targets for the bigger, more valuable jobs. Since bullet reserves run out, and these extensively distant missions have a tendency to drive maintenance problems through the roof, the modus operandi became either to find out how to minimize constant maintenance woes, or to use high-maintenance tools with the highest output and throw away everything else. Constantly restocking on ammo isn't possible. Using your titanium filament cleaver along with your powered armor and a few emergency combat stims can clear out an entire fortress of soldiers with enough effort.

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>>70850597
>ctrl+f
>Holtzman
>2 results
Carry on.

>> No.70859166

>>70858742
How about using non-lethal bullets then? Darts with tranquilizers, rubber bullets (they still hurt), trapping ammo (like net-granades or this kinda of shit).

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>>70857593
No. Because if those shields blow up, their battery picks causes fission splits which scorches entire landscapes.
The good part is that they protect from artillery.
See >>70855286

Energy shields in Dune is fucking death traps. They are merely the top dog because nobility wants to keep it that way.
Otherwise you get the situation that arises in Heretics and Chapterhouse: Some asshole is going to pull out a laser pistol, which is the most common weapon type once shields are no longer common, hit it, and cause a nuclear explosion.

>> No.70859227

>>70850597
Energy shields that stop most kinetic and laser weapons but not melee weapons because they are slower than bullets and lasers

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>>70850597
>170+ posts
>no chinese landladies
/tg/, I'm disappoint.

>> No.70860924

>>70859497
i had planned some big argument for melee, how even with space guns and the like - at some point you would run out of space bullets and blah blah blah.
this is pretty gud at getting the point across.
chinese landladies. thanks anon.
i'm making some additional notes for my next setting thanks to this. cheers.

>> No.70860985

>>70855947
>zoomers
My dude even Dune had post-facto justified melee combat in space.
You think "err, shields that only work against guns" came before "dueling IN SPACE is COOL".

>> No.70861100

>>70854211
Well, ships in space generally carry very large quantities of volatile propellants, radiators also often use elements not desirable to be around, like ammonia or sodium compounds, unleashing these chemicals and materials into the habituated parts of the ship would generally not be considered conducive to survival.

>> No.70861152

>>70850597
Give reasons against it in a modern setting OP

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>>70850624

>> No.70861460

Metal gear rising solved it pretty easily.

Cyborgs have close to zero vital organs left apart from the brain, and are made of space age alloys and synthetic muscles that either shrug off or absorb small arms like a sponge, while also being fast enough to cover the distance in a firefight and rip you in two before you can reload.

This means the CHEAPEST option is to just equipped said deathmachines with a super sharp machete and a few rocket launchers and only break out the machine guns for dealing with soft targets.

>> No.70861497

>>70861460
I also like how MGR pointed out how cheap GEKKOS are because they're just a tank turret on top of two synthetically grown limbs with a crude AI system

Blade wolf must have cost billions though.

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>>70850624
First time I've seen this meme used tastefully. Fpbp.

>> No.70861970

Why would I? They don't use melee shit. They don't use neolithic tools, why would they use bronze age stuff?

>execpt maybe in some cases like in-ship combat, but they definitely don't use only blades, that would be retarded.

>> No.70862194

>>70850597
Cybernetics allows for the quick calculation of bullet trajectory as well as greatly enhanced reflexes. These advancements turn ranged weapons' need to reload into a major disadvantage, particularly when the aforementioned advancements make dodging and blocking with melee weapons relatively easy.
RULES OF NATURE

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>>70850624

>> No.70862416

>>70854933
>2. Your outer hull needs to be able to resist micrometeors, anything man-portable isnt going to scratch it.
Yes, the outer hull. Usually this means ablative armor that isn't pressure sealed, which can easily blunt micrometeors, but wouldn't do jack shit against a projectile puncturing the pressure hull from the inside.

>> No.70862498

>>70854933
In a micrometorite strike the projectiles own incredible speed works against it, since silicate rock is relatively fragile the force of impact will usually blow the rock into powder and some plasma, armor need be nothing more than a few spaced rigid strike plates only a mm or two thick stuffed with some ballistic material to catch pieces.

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>>70859497
Based

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>>70858451
Why not just use one of these?

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>>70850597
Guns aren't as quiet, it's a retarded cultural thing, sometimes you don't have a gun, sometimes your gun is out of ammo, sometimes the melee weapon works for ranged weaponry, sometimes you REALLY want to stab someone in the face for past transgressions, any of these will do really.

>> No.70863331

>>70850624
bruh

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>>70862498
Sounds kinda like a bullet

>> No.70863379

>>70855038
Holy fuck, could you be any gayer?

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>>70850624
This
OP just delete the thread alreay

>> No.70863466

>>70857117
I don't think the air leak is the problem there. If you're boarding and stealing a ship any section that gets violently decompressed or blown out by careless weapons fire is going to be big chunks off your final profit on the vessel. Repairs on that sort of damage would not be cheap.

>> No.70864115

On Earth humans are one of 3 species who can reliably use ranged attacks, if extrapolated to a massive universe it could make sense that few races can effectively use non targeting weapons
This is the reason I use in my campaign
Humans are rare and sought after as they're tough, versatile and compact, but Earth is yet to be formally contacted as it's technically owned by a failed megacorp and the bancruptcy proceedings have left us in bureaucratic hell

>> No.70864259

>>70850597
In dense urban environments, you dont want to risk missing and the bullet ruining someone else's day. Better to just close in with a sword. Your body armor does protect you against firearms, right?

>> No.70864286

>>70851808
>>70863466
>Violent decompression
>In space
Brotip: vacuums don't suck
If there's a 1a dP between inside and outside and you poke a 1cm hole in your ship that's only 31N of force being exerted
Like, a woman's grip strength can overcome that

>> No.70864398

>>70850597
>Spaceships are valuable.
>Boarding parties must fight in narrow spaces if they are to maximize profits, so combat is smg vs melee, and armor/shield/dodge.
>Guns in spaceships must be toned down from their potential in order to protect ship hulls, or ship hulls and armor are made from similar, resistant material
>Guns are illegal and your party doesn't have a loisence.
>AI-led government battle-mechs are not something you can fight as a subsynth human.

>> No.70864913

You know, I think there are two things to consider.

1) People tend to think swordfights are cooler. Which is... debatable? I mean, I think there is more than enough cinematographic evidence that it's not necessarily that way.

>but THOSE aren't realistic!

Come the fuck on, like your kewl swordfighting isn't more like Star Wars than basically the nasty and brutish shit that a knight did circa 1300s.

2) in some case, scifi thematically is right at home with swords. The Dune argument.
This is true, but I posit that the problem in this case is why apeing Dune every fucking time. Those nobles were renassaince-like, but not every setting is this, and just having noble be "dunelike" is cheap as fuck. Needs some nuance, at least.

Funnily enough, a character I never played in Fadins Suns (which at least regarding shields is basically Dune 2.0: now more hotblooded) was more than rich enough to use them. In FS they're rightly costly as fuck, she had she snazziest because her dad was the lord of an area as big as Poland. But she saw the dueling culture as barbaric: a relic of an older age, one in which at least the more fortunate nobles should stop playing larp and go look for provocations. There is more important shit to do, especially regarding unity (if not for the empire as a whole, for her noble house), rebuild a somewhat doable tech infrastructure and resolve the inevitable rebellions from the worst conservatives.

In practice this means a whole fucklot of the Al Malik cult of personality (her status as a war hero and somewhat a "older sister" to a very peculiar hi-tech aerospace spearhead helps), an actual diplomacy and "don't just let this motherfucker get to your head" attitude (with for example the more conservative branches of the church) and if war arises, well, her feud is in the desert. Gotta Rommel on the beduins' asses.

>fwiw she would use shields when going into town, but if the need arises with laser/blaster guns. Swords? Mostly, fashion accessories.

>> No.70864928

>>70850597
Melee combat will never go away long as we have limbs

>> No.70865117

The cyboeg zombies need to grab you to steal your flesh and run fastly.

>> No.70865513

>>70864928
In the year 5555. your arms are hanging limp at your sides. Your legs got nothing to do--some machine's doing that for you.

>> No.70865677

>>70850624
Why hasn’t OP deleted the thread yet? Surely he doesn’t just spam /tg/ with garbage threads and never check in on them

>> No.70865745

>>70850624
The most right post on /tg/

>> No.70866047

>>70852860
>ship lacks armor or hull strength despite armor advancements and materials science
>but joe schmoe infantry grunt has it
>ship was built in space so no excuse on weight limits, etc.
It is almost as if you guys don't play...

>>70852803
>>70850624
These guys play.

>> No.70866067

>>70850663
DUNE Logic

>> No.70866310

Ever sense the Boston Dynamic security drones where release under "temporary" martial law, during the Corona virus pandemic, use of firearms within 300 miles of any major metro area, would be detected immediately via any cell phone, airpod, wifi terminal or bluetooth device. Once shots are detected, swarms of genetically modified mosquito would set upon the one who fired. They would not kill immediately, but to be marked was to be cursed to die or live in permanent exile and paranoia. Any time they were within 5 miles of a 5G tower, the installed hive would make it's way to the marked. The mosquitos had the same weakness as any other insect, pesticide, off spray. But it is impossible to live one's entire life avoiding even a single bite. Once marked, you were as good as infected. and once infected, you were worse than dead. And that was for "one strike" on your record. It was immpossible to fool the national ID system. It knows you down to the average salinity levels in your blood, the subsonic sounds your brain makes when you think, and the exact rhythm of your heart.

On top of that, democrat hedgemond Czar Sanders deleted the 2nd amendment from the records and that's made firearms very difficult to acquire. If the bugs weren't bad enough, the equality guards could always request "deep pacification" and satellites would erase the identity of any problematic individuals. Of course once you were pacified you wouldn't have a care in the world. How could you with no identity, race, reservations or judgments. Every thing was acceptable to the pacified, and everything was valid.

The resistance often found that a knife was just as good for their own throats, as they were for slipping through armored plates.

>> No.70866345

>>70850824
>Scifi future
>Gun control possible
Pick one. Gun control isn't going to be possible IRL within the decade.

>> No.70866354

>>70852232
That's not scifi, dumbo.
Reading is essential.

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>>70862683
>Why not just use one of these?
Because they make you look silly?

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>> No.70870589

>>70850597
Holtzman shields

>> No.70870888

>>70850597
kinetic barriers.

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They're visual representations of antivirus programs.

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>>70850597
SAY JUSTIFY AGAIN! I DOUBLE DARE YA!

>> No.70871351

>>70850624
what a chad

>> No.70871483

>>70850624
Never before has so based a man posted on /tg/.

>> No.70871498

>>70850624
based

>> No.70871646

An iron pipe or shiv never runs out of ammo.

>> No.70873175

>>70870888
Mass Effect, you mean?

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>>70850624
fpbp
We bow before your massive balls.

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A six inch blade never loses reception.

>> No.70873324

>>70873175
dune, you idiot

>> No.70873444

>>70850631
Why don't we launch these sharp jets at people from a distance, so that they can't stab us with their sharp jets?

>> No.70873449

>>70873324
Those are Holtzman Shields you uncultured swine.

>> No.70873456

>>70865677
'cause it's better than other threads on /tg/. Unless you want another "Local Lord" thread.

>> No.70873463

>>70863363
Sort off. It's a bullet made out of glass so you just need to shatter it.

>> No.70873480

>>70859176
Makes me wonder why they don't just rig up a shield and a laser pistol on a timer and throw that at the enemy.

>> No.70873491

>>70856366
See, you ram the enemy AND THEN board them while your ships are stuck together.

>> No.70873543

>>70851989
But then sensible-mc'species gets uplifted and bring their soldiers with reliable semi/full auto fire and there was no warrior culture anymore.

Also what are things like the romans, macedonian greeks, mongols and chinese who conquered huge swaths of land through their disciplined soldiers rather than great warriors.

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>>70853860
>Huge fuckoff giant isn't hurt by my space-antimat rifle?
>Well my sword that is the size of a toothpick to it should do the trick

>> No.70873661

>>70850631
>>70873444
Also, for armour piercing you want small and fast, not big and slow. Guess what a jet-sword is compared to a bullet?

>> No.70873713

>>70873230
Neither does a gun, Thatcher. I mean your fucking gadget is against traps and anti-breaching ffs, it doesn't deactivate guns (other than electronic sights, but that doesn't stop someone guesstimating where to brap)

>> No.70873740

>>70862683
Because I've never heard of it before now.

>> No.70873753

>Friction shields that deflect or incinerate anything that moves too quickly through it.
>Gaseous or gas-suspension mines/traps that are triggered by the use of energy or combustion projectile weapons
>Fear of damaging hull or volatile fuel/resources inside the ship with projectiles depending on tech economy of setting
>EMP/EMF disruption of electronic weaponry
>Economy-Tech settings where certain technologies are unable to shrink any further, lasers+batteries cant fit into carryable rifles, or vibrating blades but not vibrating penetrative bullets
>Stealth applications, less detectable electronic or noise signature
>Somebody running at you with a plasma axe is scarier than a dude hiding behind cover 40 yards away
>Religious-Primitivism that respects and emphasizes ancient concepts of combat, in ritual practice, or simply as fundamental to theory of tactic

>> No.70873786

>>70851223
There are frangible bullets

>> No.70873800

>>70850624
based

>> No.70873823

>>70873786
Will never be practical war technology.
Perhaps some private or civilian use.

Their base mechanical concept is at odds with penetrative intent of the bullet.
Any armor at all defeats a frangible projectile.

>> No.70873883

>>70873823
A frangible round could have a tungsten DU, or even osmium penetrator core for armor, generally speaking unless the round is traveling at ridiculous speed the backplate of the armor will stop through-and-through perforation.

>> No.70874522

>>70859176
Yes but that detonation kills the shooter and then everyone elae goes and kills everyone even remotely related to those who caused the atomic detonation. Lasers had lots of killing power for their size but were delicate and hard to manufacture. Most fire arms were dart guns or ballistic which shields soundly countered leaving melee the only consistent form of attack

>> No.70874593

>>70850597
no.

>> No.70874644

Learning traditional forms of melee combat is important. It conditions the body, sharpens reflexes and helps the user acquaint himself with intuitively using one of mankind's oldest kinds of tool for various purposes, not just fighting. Melee weapons are quiet, and don't run out of ammunition, and some objectives will require the level of precision that can only come out of using a blade with your own hand. Most importantly though, there's gonna come a time in your career when you have to kill a man and all you have is a sharpened piece of metal.

>>70852803
>Duplicate file exists
Patrician taste.

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>>70850812
>The madmen even modified the rules of the universe so ranged isn't possible

Fucking what?

>> No.70874665

>>70874522
>Lasers had lots of killing power for their size but were delicate and hard to manufacture.
No. Merely a Ixian monopoly.
A monopoly enforced by the nobility so they could continue fighting at the front via shields.

>> No.70874677

>>70850597
Street fights.

>> No.70874886

There is no such thing is a completely-effective suppressor for your firearm. Blades are naturally silent and versatile.

>> No.70874948

Professional soldiers are trained, equipped and drilled to excel in ranged fire-fights; firing-discipline goes out the window when faced with a charging enemy wearing thick enough armor to survive a few glancing hits.

>> No.70874952

>>70850597
The energy requirements to breach enemy personal shields requires backpack sized generators to disrupt and breach with continuous contact on the shield. You either shoot at infantry with backpack sized projectiles and run out of ammo real fast, or you use melee weaponry force your way through the enemy shields.

>> No.70875068

>>70850597
Everyone ran out of bullets.

>> No.70875188

>>70865513
In the year 1 000 000½, humankind is enslaved by giraffes. He must for all his misdeeds, as the trees are stripped of their leafs.

>> No.70875525

>>70873786
Which ends up being entirely ineffective against armor. By design.

>> No.70876252

>>70875188
The definitive version.

>> No.70876354

>>70865513
>not upgrading your cyberlegs
>not jumping high enough to legitimately threaten flight traffic

>> No.70876485

>>70876354
Are your legs ok?

>> No.70876547

Personnel solid-light shields stop things moving above a certain threshold of speed. Only way to kill someone is to slowly drive a blade into them from close vicinity.

>> No.70876738

In a long-enough battle attrition, where munitions are expended before any significant gains are made by either side, some amount of melee combat is inevitable. The soldier better-equipped to survive under those conditions will win.

>> No.70876864 [DELETED] 

>>70850597
Cultists supported by drone infantry, massed attacks.

>> No.70876880

>>70850597
Mass of cultists supported by tons of drone infantry/mechs. It's a post-apocalyptic galaxy, it's bound to have its weirdos.

>> No.70877164

>>70876354
In the year sixty-five sixty-six, your metal legs, they're lookin' hella sick. Chicks dig the way they whir and click; and if you buy 'em dinner, they'll probably suck your dee-yee-yick.

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>>70876485

>> No.70877494

>>70864259
Why doesn't that logic apply to dense urban environments in our time?

>> No.70877538

>>70850812
This is the Gorean setting lmao

>> No.70877622

>super strong personal shields
>weapons capable of piercing the shield overpenetrate the target causing barely any damage to super-augmented soldier
>weapon capable of destroying the shield fall into kill the target and the shooter at the same time category

or just copy forever war

>> No.70877687

>>70850597
You are
>on a far off planet where everyone is stuck with iron age/medieval level technology
>in an alternate history setting where firearms aren't practical/invented yet
>living many years after an apocalyptic scenario so firearms and ammunition are rare and valuable
Reminder that sci-fi doesn't necessary mean high-tech.

>> No.70878178

>>70850597

Do you want bullets or plasma bolts ricocheting around the halls of a starship?

>> No.70879131

>>70852683
>>70852711
Neither of you are wrong and it's sad.

>> No.70879262

>>70866345
Don't be stupid. All it takes is a sufficiently heavy-handed and organized government.

>> No.70879288

>>70850624
FPBP.

>> No.70879357

>>70850597
Justify space combat in general in a fantasy setting. All of the existing data right now makes the notion of space warfare about as plausible as having two passenger aircraft fly alongside each other and have passengers discharge smallarms out of the emergency doors at each other.

If you're going to include something as categorically retarded as space war, you might as well do whatever the fuck you think is cool for how it's actually executed, because even the "realistic" versions of it are batshit retarded.

>> No.70879427

>>70879262
No such government exists anywhere in the low-IQ brown world, and the modern West has simply chosen to become the low-IQ brown world. I guess the exception to that is East Asia.

What's happening in East Asia right now?

>> No.70879438

>>70879357
>. All of the existing data right now makes the notion of space warfare about as plausible as having two passenger aircraft fly alongside each other and have passengers discharge smallarms out of the emergency doors at each other.
Citation needed.

>> No.70879514

Because now there are ultradurable spacesuits capable of going FTL known as Bullet Rigs. More agile than any fighter drone, hitting them with conventional weapons is hard. Since other Bullet Rigs can't carry the same payload as those ships however, combat between two rig operators has devolved into physically intercepting one another and trying to disable each other with hyper sharp thrusting knives. Eventually Bullet Rig operators developed more complex and larger melee weapons of the same lethality to carry with them when boarding ships until the designs trickled down via osmosis and became popular everywhere.

The cybernetic prosthetic industry exploded in the meantime, owing success to the rapidly increasing number of severed digits or limbs from easy access and untrained use with ridicously sharp knives.

>> No.70879659

>>70850597
>Justify melee combat
That's it. I'm sick of all this "melee is impractical in a world with efficient guns" bullshit that's going on on /tg/ right now. Close combat deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest weapons known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as bullets and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a SMG can pierce, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a soldier wearing full tactical gear with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why the founding fathers never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best weapon that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better respect on /tg/!

>> No.70880472

this summer in a theater near you. In a world where guns don't exist, and the only way people fight wars and resolve disputes is sending high school kids with melee weapons or martial arts skills to fight to the death while everyone else watches.

>> No.70880556

>>70880472
noy gonna lie, i would play that

>> No.70883058

>>70850624
fuck you I was hoping for a good thread

>> No.70883124

>>70883058

What exactly were you looking for when every other post is Dune shields?

>> No.70885988

>>70850624
BASED

>> No.70887077

>>70853259
Why can't I stop screaming?

>> No.70887129

Ran a JoJo game set in my city, on Bizarre Island centuries into the future. The world is in a constant arms race and defensive technology evolved to a point where weapons are barely effective. Only way to get past enemy defenses is with a Stand, since they're not really physical beings.

So, Stand Users are kidnapped from their family at a young age and trained to be soldiers. They're not that numerous, so regular humans are trained to be living tools that supplement each Stand user in battle.

One example is one of my players had a Stand that shot paint balls. They had infinite blue paint, but could only shoot one red ball at a time. Whatever was covered in blue paint was violently pulled towards the red paint. They used it to propel their one man helicopter. And had a 50 man squad dressed in imposing armor, wielding rakes or spears. They'd throw them at the enemy as living weapons. Soldiers were drugged as shit, so they didn't care.

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>>70856837
>We've had this same idiotic discussion so many times in the past that at this point I don't think this thread is anything but shitposting.

>> No.70887279

>>70850624
Rule of cool is the best rule

>> No.70887287

>>70873713
>Introducing the Juicero(tm) Minivol(tm), 9mm handgun connected to the Cloud! Deliver fresh Juicy Justice(tm) to your enemies with our exclusive JJ-Cartridges(tm)! Just scan the cartridge's QR code before loading it into the receiver. Our servers will then calculate the optimal striking angle and additional oxydiser amount to provide you with the best shooting experience in the 'verse!

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>>70850624
Thread should've ended right here.

>> No.70887363

>>70865513
My legs are kicking you.

>> No.70887611

>>70850624
A post of patrician taste

>> No.70890685

>>70862683
Those little bastards will chew through a pressure door fairly quickly on full auto.

>> No.70890727

>>70874948
And if those guys were around doctrine and training would change.

>> No.70890742

>>70850624
Based

>> No.70890768

>>70850812
> Muh ancestral god race used the infinity stones to nuh-uh guns out of reality

>> No.70891211

>>70879427
>What's happening in East Asia right now?
The zombie plague, according to the news

>> No.70891232

>>70879357
>about as plausible as having two passenger aircraft fly alongside each other and have passengers discharge smallarms out of the emergency doors at each other.
>tfw this was actually done back in WWI

>> No.70891347

gene splicing and mechanical has led us to an age where a human heals a bullet wound in less than a second. you could technically destroy the brain or heart, if it wasn't for the kevlar woven skin and titanium skulls. the only real way to kill and not just incapacitate someone is to cut their head off with a HF blade or disintegrate them entirely with a satellite laser cannon. Once laser tech advances to be mounted on ships and eventually handheld, ranged weapons will return

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>>70878178

This. Either the rounds ricochet around, or they punch through bulkheads. Neither is good.

Only solution, burn them all.

>> No.70891471

>>70891365
Do you want carbon monoxide in your own spaceship?
...then again, the people storming it probably won't care.

>> No.70894477

>>70850624
indeed

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>>70891365
I see you too are a fellow man
Who subscribe to the radical school of axe murder
IN SPACE!

>> No.70895739

>>70891232
The cool thing is that sometimes they actually scored kills like that.

>> No.70895900

>>70850597
Everyone has energy shields that are very effective against the most common weapon type - laser and plasma guns. They're ineffective against ballistics, but gunpowder is hard to find if you're not planetside and microkinetics are prohibitively expensive.

>> No.70896056

because sometimes your weapons are disabled and the only way to kill that frigate is to ram the shit out of it

>> No.70896252

>>70852446

Inertial dampening. The bullet stops because it has no sustained PE. A blade or long projectile gets through because there's a large amount of inertia outside the field to continue to push past.

Technically this permits the use of rockets, but without an initial high-impulse these weapons are trivially taken down by interception weapons which are common and safe, as every soldier's own shield can bounce the flak and spall of their and their allies ADS systems. Thus the closest thing to old style firearms that are used are LAW style tubes for both hard-launched rockets and explosive pumped particle beams, both entirely unacceptable weapons when fighting in your own habitat.

This is also why boarding is attempted in the first place: The attacker has the advantage in that they can use top tier weapons, while the defenders cannot deploy them except on the exterior and designed kill-boxes between decks and sections.

>> No.70896803

cheaper then a gun

>> No.70896885

>>70855327
>>70855565
I kind of wish DE went all the way with their Evangelion reference and made Warframe Shields into Absolute Terror Fields.

>> No.70898836

>because of a reason that is not stated but exist

>> No.70898861

>>70898836
this is scifi not fantasy.

The reason can be bullshit or not depending of its hard or soft but will be stated

>> No.70898924

>>70850624
Overrated post, if correct

>> No.70899114

>>70858506
I'm so happy the creator got his channel back.

>> No.70899205

>>70850597

Other species that evolved from predators with claws/horns/fangs and thus more readily incorporated those into combat. They're faster, stronger, and have defensive armor/naturally thick hides that make them more resistant to whatever kinetic or energy weapons humans have. They like to close in and relish the up-close and personal kill, so it becomes a British Vs Zulu/Sudanese style engagement where the aliens will open up with ranged weapons as they close the distance then break into a wild charge. But since they're harder to bring down with ranged weapons, melee weapons and tactics have made a return in order to cope with the new threat. A return to the old Pike and Shot style of fighting.

Boarding actions in relatively thin-hulled ships.

And because it's fucking cool you autistic twat.

>> No.70899377

>>70850597
Firearms are prohibited in the piratical capture the cargo games of the deep space haulers. Might break something valuable.
Violators are put on overnight shipping to hell by Aunt Celeste's Reaper Express.

>> No.70899458

>>70850624
Uh..... based department? I think I found your missing CEO.

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>>70899205

>The enemy has their own version of war dogs that they let loose as they advance on a position.

>> No.70900981

Any simple systems that let me run space hack-and-slash?

>> No.70901076

>>70850624
How can one man be so BASED and REDPILLED?

>> No.70902079

>>70850624
No one man can be THIS powerful

>> No.70902140

>>70850597
No

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>>70877164
Just wanted to say thank you for the laff anon

>> No.70904248

>>70850812
Our mainstream culture on earth seems to hate guns with a personal passion but will rarely complain about MMA classes or knife attacks (sorry UK)
If our global culture doesn't change it'll probably end up like that too (while the cops and military gets the murder weapons). Unless you live in the states; I doubt gun culture is ever going away there since we view it as a means of self defense

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