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Because /lit/ is too far up it's own ass. What books do you all recommend. I've come to really fucking enjoy the Thieve's World stories. And while even though Mistborn didn't beat me over the head with characters to get completely invested in, and wasn't the most ambitious book I've read, it was definitely solid entertainment and I like the setting and magic system. Rivergod, by Wilbur Smith, is great egyptian historical fiction that gets more fantastical with it's sequels. Can't say I liked the last book, though it has been a long time.
I'm now trying to read Wheel of Time. I'm on the second book, but while it's by no means bad, it's really not capturing me. If it doesn't pick up by the end I'll be putting the series down, unless I get a good reason why not to.

>> No.70712305

Farseer Trilogy

>> No.70712340

I like Temeraire and the Dresden Files

>> No.70712418

The Wolf's Hour and A Natural History of Dragons are also pretty good

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>> No.70712760

As far as fantasy:
>Earthsea trilogy by LeGuin
>First Law series by Abercrombie
>Chalion series by Bujold
>Elric novels by Moorcock
>HP Lovecraft's Dreamlands stuff (Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath etc.)

>> No.70712782

Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe

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>> No.70712836

Well that's a good collection of recs. Already read Elric, solid adventure and impressively edgy for it's time. I've begun to notice that I prefer either something that feels mythological and passed down from the ages, or good old fashioned pulp. What about you, what do you enjoy? What do you like about these?
I think I have that one actually.

>> No.70712899

Read BoTNS immediately

>> No.70712984

>Book of the New Sun
Ah, Shadow of the Torturer, et al. K, I have a book called The Faded Sun, which I have yet to read as well. Yeah I've heard of this series as well though.

>> No.70713275

I'll back book of the new sun as well, Jhereg and the Taltos series in general by Steven Brust are fun, Perdito Street Station is good as well.

I wouldn't recommend the wheel of time, it's just too mediocre. I picked it up and am about half way through right now and the quality never picks up, that being said it doesn't dip either, it just remains a little disappointing. Same problem as mentioned with mistborn, character development is limited as well as uninspired prose and a lot of repetition of particular phrases and literary techniques. It can also start to slog as characters will repeat the same mistakes over and over, but never face and long-term consequences. In general a lot happens, but very little of it matters.

I've heard good things about the Blade Itself, would you recommend it? What would you compare it to?

>> No.70713303

Farseer is some of the best fantasy out there and it sucks that it seems like not as many people read it

>> No.70713388

Mistborn trilogy weren't perfect but man they had one of the most satisfying endings in fiction.

>> No.70713414

Not a day goes by where I don't regret picking up the second Wheel of Time book. The first 5 or so books are
>First 100 pages: We have to go to the place to do the thing!
>Last 100 pages: We got to the place and did the thing! But there's more to be done in the next book!
After that the goings and doings start taking multiple books which double in length at least. Unless you're a glutton for boredom or can read pages as fast as you can physically turn them it just not worth the effort.
Conan, Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser and the Barsoom books are all solid sword and sorcery staples.

>> No.70713430

Is this thread fantasy only or are we /scifi/ up in this shit as well? Cause I wanna know if pic related is any good.

>> No.70713455

Picture related, for those who are fans of magic system-based world-building.

>> No.70713488

I guess I fall into that second group. I do about 100 pages an hour and have a pretty high retention rate. Considering the work I do, it's not really difficult for me to knock out a book like that a day. I usually do the whole series once a year, cause I grew up with the series with my mom reading to/with me, and my mom died about a week after finishing the final book. My little way of remembering her.

>> No.70713518

>perdido street station
My nigger, that book/series is fun as fuck
The Gone-Away World, by Nick Harkaway

>> No.70713567

Lightbringer series by Brent Weeks

>> No.70713642

It's okay. A lot more psychological than scifi in it's real premise. Also very much of its era. Still not a bad read, if 100 pages longer than it needed to be.

>> No.70713680

I actually like long reads but I'm pretty slow. The awkward teen drama between the main characters just takes me out of it.

>> No.70713718

I don't really blame you tbt, it's daunting at best and a slog at worst, but I love the series as much for its faults as for its strengths.

>> No.70713758

A Raven's Shadow series by Anthony Ryan
I'm reading the second and still liking them. Though it switches to multiple pov oddly.

>> No.70713790

Jesus, I'm a few minutes a page. I can skim through well enough but I just don't enjoy it. My brain just wants to linger like it's being narrated to me.

>> No.70714097

Gave a friend the complete Takeshi Kovacs trilogy because those books are a fun cyberpunk romp. Always a fun time.
Currently enjoying Too Like the Lightning.

>> No.70714221


Not everyone wants to sit down and read 20,000 pages.

You can't go wrong with Lord of Light or Startide Writing.

>> No.70714245

>startide rising
Phoneposting, my bad

>> No.70714250

I like Dresden Files and the Three of Swords by Fritz Leiber.

>> No.70714342

I highly recommend The First Law as a series, it's great. Glokta is probably my favorite fantasy character. The Heroes, however, is a particular highlight.

>> No.70714372

Gene Wolfe. Robert E. Howard. Jack Vance. Fritz Leiber. Glen Cook. Robert Heinlein. H.P. Lovecraft

>> No.70714616

If you want something almost specific to tg in literature, I recommend both the Guardians of the Flame series and Dark Lord of Derkholm.
The first is about a group of college kids isekaied to the world they play a d&d knockoff in as their characters, much better than it sounds. Gritty without grimdark.
The second is a book about a fantasy world being made to run campaign tours from our world. The titular Dark Lord is just a shabby magician bioengineer who has to turn his house into an evil citadel, along with everything expected of a LOTR experience.

>> No.70714716

>The first is about a group of college kids isekaied to the world they play a d&d knockoff in as their characters, much better than it sounds. Gritty without grimdark.
I put it down at the end of the part where a hero is listening to women screaming as they're being gang-raped over multiple days and can't/doesn't do anything about it because he's outnumbered and undercover. But hey, at least he doesn't join in!
We have different thresholds for grimdark apparently.

>> No.70714743

DIE is also about isekai'd people who end up as their characters, but the main difference is that they're older, a lot more cynical, and probably some shade of evil.

Also, there's a strong PvP element which doesn't show up in isekai much.

>> No.70714859

Speaking of Isekai'd fantasy the Seventh Sword series is pretty dope. Nerd becomes Barbardian battle god and uses his earthly knowledge to solve problems.

>> No.70714895

The Face in the Frost, John Bellairs
Chalion series by Lois McMaster Bujold - already recommended, but genuinely one of the best
Conan stories by Robert E Howard. Later Conan books by other authors are mostly worthy, but Howard did it best.
>I've come to really fucking enjoy the Thieve's World stories.
You will also enjoy the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser books by Fritz Lieber.
>Wheel of Time
You know how they used to say inside every fat person there's a thin person screaming to get out? Inside Wheel of Time there's a really awesome story screaming to get out, but it's two or three times longer than it should be. I loved it, but I read fast. If you're not enjoying it let it go.
>Shadow of the Torturer Series
Very good, but very dense. Gene Wolfe's Wizard Knight duology is more accessible, and arguably more directly useful to a fa/tg/uy.
>science fiction
I am really liking the old pulps. Voyage of the Space Beagle by AE van Vogt. Any of the Dumarest of Terra books by EC Tubb. (Not all of the Dumarest books, since there's 33 and you'll crack the code before then, but any of them.)

>> No.70714969

Well thanks for all the series recommendations, everyone. Hope some people aside from myself got a lot out of it too, as I'd hate for it to just be a "me me me" thread.
And thank you for the little writeups. Aside what I've thus far collected, I think I'll have a lot on my plate for the coming years.

>> No.70715050

Can I say that I'm not a fan of that part? I feel that earthly knowledge shouldn't be too relevant in fantasy worlds. It makes everyone else look like an idiot, if done wrongly. It feels like it would make more sense if fantasy problems are solved in a fantasy context, not by knowing about pencillin or whatever.

>> No.70715392 [DELETED] 

Magician's Pawn

Don't be fooled by the cover, it's a western fantasy novel from the 80's.

It does, however, feature a cute twink and his hot bf as the main characters. Oh, and it's actually a really well-written story that even non-gays will like.

>> No.70715411

Magic's Pawn

Don't be fooled by the cover, it's a western fantasy novel from the 80's.

It does, however, feature a cute twink and his hot bf as the main characters. Oh, and it's actually a really well-written story that even non-gays will like.

>> No.70716011

Hey, reading is low key hard. Don't feel bad, especially on difficult books. It's not a skill like speed reading is (ie something you can learn) actually reading something is something you either do well or don't.

I have something like a 92% comprehension rate reading around 500 wpm. Most comprehension is based on 250

>> No.70716112

Based post, +Poul Anderson

>> No.70716286

Gotta rep discworld. I'd suggest starting at Guards, Guards! As its the book thaf best manages to capture the tone of the series while also being early enough that you can read forward for a good long while and enjoy the development.

>> No.70716351

Unfortunately, like with rpg recommendations, that really comes down to what you like and dislike. If you just want completely random recommendations, I like almost all of tanith lee's stuff

>> No.70716427

The Gormenghast trilogy, by Mervyn Peake.
It's set in an absurdly huge Gothic castle, and is sort of a multi-generational saga of intrigue, murder, madness and a little romance.

It's lowest of the low fantasy; magical elements are only faintly implied with weird inexplicable events.

Like the lord of the castle, after a long malaise, eventually giving up on living and "Offering himself" to the owls that dwell in The Tower Of Silence, which is made all the more sinister by never being entirely explained.

>> No.70716435

Woop, forgot me piccie.

>> No.70716758

I can't think of anywhere else to ask this but did Jirel of Joiry ever have a crest or heraldry described? There doesn't seem to be any mention but you'd think some banner or shield of her fief would have a symbol.

>> No.70716885

>I've heard good things about the Blade Itself
The First Law trilogy is a fantastic and satisfying read.

>> No.70716948

The moment that a gay character is the viewpoint character, it's a hard 'no' for me. It's like having a female lead, I'm immediately turned off.

>> No.70717101

whoever keeps going on about malazan; fuck you

>> No.70717199

The Wheel of Time could've been wrapped up by the third book, but Jordan fell into the trap most known fantasy writers fall into: moderate success. And so when the Wheel of Time actually sold something he quit writing all his other books and suddenly bloated his planned trilogy out to as many books as he could write before (and past) dying.

And I'll recommend the books that /tg/ are too big of pussies to recommend. The actual D&D books. Dragonlance's Chronicles series. Forgotten Realms' Avatar series. Ravenloft's I, Strahd series. Dark Sun's Prism Pentad series. And so forth.

>> No.70717255

I love reading, but for horror the audiobook is the superior medium imho. It's also great while building/painting stuff. I'll also never stop shilling this fantastic channel:

>> No.70717283

Walter Moers is great for some bizarre but lighthearted stuff, don't know if he got translated much though.
Never read them, but there is a german audioplay version on spotify. It's cheesy as fuck and feels rushed due to the audioplay style. But the stories and characters are definitely entertaining and worthwile. Especially compared to average /tv/ fantasy.

>> No.70717777

>Because /lit/ is too far up it's own ass.
All I read is you're a filtered genre shitter crybaby.

>> No.70718115

Téméraire was a great concept, ruined by an author who is bad at worldbuilding and doesn't want to write a proper Dragon-led civil rights movement. Instead the whole series is a bit of a mess.

Still, I'll add in a rec for an indie novel that turned out to be absolutely fantastic (pic related). Seriously, read it, it's great. Now that's a fantasy novel that knows how to have an amazing plot and great worldbuilding without going on for ten thousand pages of skirt-smoothing and braid-tugging (looking at you WoT). It's part thriller, part psychological horror, and part high fantasy.

If you want more well-known stuff, then I'd suggest the Prince of Nothing series. 8/10, would reread.

>> No.70718140

Jack Vance don't get enough respect given how influential his writing was, especially on our favorite hate/love object D&D. 'The Dying Eath' should be highly recommended because it is both untouched by the genre conventions of modern fantasy and for being just generally hilarious.

>> No.70718231

The Wayfarers books are comfy, emotional slice-of-life scifi in a galaxy where humans are grubby refugee losers in the eyes of the alien UN. Strong recc, but if you’re a whiny /pol/tard about Special Pronouns, steer clear.

>> No.70718551

>If it doesn't pick up by the end
The guy died before he could even finish it. I wouldn't count on the pace picking up.

>> No.70718898


I was fairly meh on Kraken and dropped The City and the City because I thought it was boring. Do I just not like China Mileville?

>> No.70718912

If you like Dresden Files and haven't read the Calderon series you definitely should

>> No.70718933

The bit where they meet The Guy in the trenches hit me hard

>> No.70719108

why do people keep recommending the earthsea trilogy, only the first book is good

>> No.70719129

DIE is also shit

>> No.70719186

4000 pages in, still not sure if I'm having fun.
Will report back if I come to a conclusion.

>> No.70719209

Jack Vance manga where the fuck do I get some ?

>> No.70719229


Hell yeah. Good book, but the best advice you can give for someone to read it is 'don't look up anything at all about what the book is about ahead of time, just go in blind'.

Angelmaker by the same author is also good.

>> No.70719232

>Blade Itself, would you recommend it? What would you compare it to?
Eh, depends on your priorities.
The books are very well written, but it goes full SUBVERSION OF EXPECTATIONS in the finale with some atrocious cases of unreliable narrator.
If you're more about the journey than the conclusion, go ahead, but I honestly ended up regretting my time with it.

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>> No.70719276

>The Heroes, however, is a particular highlight.
Eh, it's just another bit of "You though X, but is was actuallyY!!!!! I am very clever and subversive!!!!"

>> No.70719301

>The moment that a gay character is the viewpoint character, it's a hard 'no' for me. It's like having a female lead, I'm immediately turned off.
I am the same way, although now I am fine with well written female POV characters if the writing and plot is interesting.
>The actual D&D books
They're ok if you absolutely need filler material or you aren't picky about how something is written. Dragonlance and FR Avatar series were good for me as a youngster.

>> No.70719313

I assert that you have poor taste on the basis of Tombs of Atuan being a masterclass of stripped-down storytelling that is atmospheric throughout.

>> No.70719321

Schismatrix anyone?

>> No.70719362

Anyone know any good or at least entertaining /tg/ romance books?

>> No.70719450

Help me /tg/, you're my only hope.

Several years ago I read a review of a fantasy book that I think had just won some award with the gimmick of being an in-universe treatise on whether the Elves of their world had souls. Does anybody know what the book was called and if it was any good?

>> No.70719696

I shit on your literature and I bring you TRASH.

The Deathlands Saga.

About one hundred and ... thirty? or so books revolving around a cluster of hard-bitten mercenaries travelling the former United States.

Typical PULP CRAP with NUCLEAR APOCALYPSE in the year 2000 and the United States has dissolved into baronies- city-states ruled by decadent warlords.

Mutants, cannibals and worse lurk in the wings, psychic powers are developing, and a man can live or die over a single bullet.

All the men are badass hardcases, all the women superbabes with hearts of gold and stiletto heels, everyone carries entirely too many guns, and the future teeters on the edge of a blade.

Every book is pure crap. Every character a caricature, and everything is over the top.

However, each book is like 200 or so pages, so it makes for cheap reading.
All of the stories are interlinked, so you need to read them all in sequence, or it's not going to make much sense. Not that sense is something that can be made of, with these books.

(I hear truckers LOVE the series for listening to over long hauls.)

Still, I've been able to homebrew a derivative RPG from it, loosely based on CP2020 as the core.

You can probably get all the written books off libgen or get them all as audiobooks.

/tg/ turned me on to some ... website that has lots of difficult to locate audiobooks, and I'm currently leeching a... 108GB torrent of all the audiobooks from the series, which are fully voiced/ + sound effects.

>> No.70719812

Tombs of atuan may have been good at the time, but the conflict is excruciatingly boring by today's standard

>> No.70719845

Read Pact. Best Urban Fantasy you ever read. And it's free.


>> No.70720598

Frank Herbert's Dune series is a must read.

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traniggers btfo

>> No.70720818

This is a great thread but Malazan is fucking awful. Erikson is a terrible writer, and the fact anybody reads that shit just shows how clueless people can be to what good writing actually is. I don't know how anybody reads that shit--it's a complete mess, like Erikson didn't even take a basic writing course that explained pacing or plot or exposition, etc..

I'll give a second nod to the Lightbringer series by Brent Weeks. Not the strongest story or prose in the world but the magic system is insanely creative and unique.

>> No.70720843

That's how I read the Warhammer shit. I have a Gotrek and Felix and Defenders of Ultuan novel that I read when I'm absolutely bored and just want to chomp through junk food filler books. At least Gotrek and Felix is fun but the Ultuan book is as pretentious and lame as Elves in every setting besides Tolkien, which is typical.

>> No.70720851

I like Soldier of the Mist and its sequels a whole bunch.

>> No.70720889

Haven't read much fantasy since I was a kid (I'm more of a sf nerd) but I remember the Edge Chronicles, the Amulet of Samarkand series and the Chronicles of Ancient Darkness as being excellent.

>> No.70721028

It’s not like the “subversions” are sudden twists. That the characters are bad news is pretty clear by the first 1/3 of the trilogy, if you’ve been paying attention

And I’m not sure why you think the heroes does that kind of thing at all? It’s a straightforward military fiction story.

I think you’re just dumb.

>> No.70721069

A civil campaign, by Luis McMaster Bujold

Her entire vorkosigan saga is great, but that one is explicitly romance

>> No.70721098

> amulet of Samarkand
The Bartimaeus trilogy? Those are fucking awesome

>> No.70721239

The problem is how the twists are executed.
Logen's twist makes no sense, since even if he is supressing his former actions, Dogman or any other member of the band should have pointed out what a cunt he was.

Jezal and Ferro get their character development out right reversed,

Bayaz goes from a flawed character to outright cartoonish bad guy.

And that's before all the general edge at the ending:
Everyone is miserable except the murderous dickbag, the only halfway decent character gets magic cancer for no good reason, Logen decides to become a dictator for no good reason.....

There is more to good Subversion than just make bad thigs happen.

>> No.70721255

Sunshine by Robin McKinley. Actually most of her other books as well, but for a stand-alone to sell you on it start there.
Seconding this, and if you like it several other of her books with female POV characters qualify in some way. So Komarr and Captain Vorpatril's Alliance out of Vorkosigan saga, and Paladin of Souls out of Chalion.
Don't let me scare anyone else off of Bujold though, she's got a wide range of voices and not all her stuff is romance-adjacent.

>> No.70721412

Blindsight is pretty good, and I'm a big fan of the Dresden Files, Acts of Caine, The Belgariad, etc.

>> No.70721488

I can’t recommend David Eddings enough. Comfy characters & some actual mythic style questing knights with a great drama & comedy.

Everything by Jim Butcher is great, Dresden Files is gold & the Furies if Calderon should be read by everyone on /tg

Brandon Sanderson stuff is great as well, his characters start to feel a bit redundant if you read too much of his stuff at once, but man does the guy know how to keep you invested the entire read. Worldbuilding & magic shenanigans are also a plus.

The Powdermage Trilogy is pretty good series. It’s written by a student of Sanderson & you can kind of see the influences of his on the material.

The Riera Revelations is a good read too, but on a personal note I hate the ending. The two characters are a great pair & it’s a fun bromance of fighter guy & thief guy as they run about & somehow fulfill a prophecy. The worldbuilding is trash though. It’s got one or two good ideas but beyond that the world is incredibly dull.

Pratchett of course, pick & choose what you like the best

Avoid Sword of Truth like the plague. I don’t want to get into it but I vehemently hate that series & only finished it out of bloodboilling spite.

>> No.70721539

Just finished Kings of the Wyld.
Feels a bit shizophrenic in that can't seem to decide if it wants to be a lighthearted comedy or a serious high fantasy story, but it's well written and an entertaining read if you want some pulpy fantasy.

>> No.70721634

Lynn Flewelling's Nightrunner series has a couple of gay dudes as its main characters as well, although they don't really get there until book three. I know a few straight people who enjoyed it.

The Tamir Triad by the same author is also really good, and a bit less gay.

>> No.70722417

Phoenix Guard is always a favorite of mine. It's 3 Musketeers making out with DnD and I love it.

>> No.70722781

>Gay romance fantasy w/ cute twinks
>Too good to be true
>See that it's from the 80's
>Check the plot summary

Yeah, no, sorry, I'm gonna have to pass on this one. Anything else in a similar vein though?

>> No.70722878

>Mercedes Lackey
Suprised it got an adaptation; it's not exactly well known.
The Lackey books are kinda interesting in that they had a lot of non straight characters in a time when that was pretty much unheard of, but apart from that they're mostly middling in quality.

Theres quite a lot of nice music though.

>> No.70722897

It severely irks me how they made her look like a midget in the cover.

>> No.70722915


The First Law trilogy just kind of sucks. Solid setup, engaging characters for most of the story, but the guy has absolutely no idea how to pace things or how to write an ending.

If you actually take note of how many of things happen of any real consequence over the course of the story, it becomes really obvious how fucking padded out the trilogy is. You could have fit this story into a single book and lost nothing in the process, because the characters spend almost all of their time *preparing* to do something rather than actually doing it, and about half the viewpoint characters never actually do anything relevant to the plot by the end.

>> No.70723004

>thought there was a comic filled with Vanyel's naked butt
>Just a cover

I honestly don't mind the padding if it's well written.

I don't think I'd be half as peeved about the ending if I didn't enjoy everything leading up to it.

>> No.70723261

Well, considering his original plan was for 6 books, I'll argue that three book point.
Hell, I can sum it up in three sentences.
Farm boy and friends go out to save the world. That have many trials along the way. Some die, but the world is saved.
Just because he could have doesn't mean he should have. If he cut a lot of the bullshit plot points, I think he could have pulled off 9 books. At the end of the day, I'm happy with how it ended up.

>> No.70723284

LOL Sanderson actually did a really good cleanup job all things considering.

>> No.70723911

Sounds like a challenge. Can't wait.

>> No.70724772

>LOL Sanderson actually did a really good cleanup job all things considering.
I admit, Jordan's pacing and tension-building were pretty lackluster. Let's get that right out of the way- He wasn't great.
But Sanderson destroyed Jordan's legacy- turned the climactic battle into LAST TIME ON DEEBEEZEE, destroyed Mat as a character, and filled the rest of the holes with shonen power creep and cheap shots.

First conversation between Mat and Rand after Jordan died:
>nuh-uh, I win
>no *I* win
>pretty sure I win
>omg i can't even. i win.

Even the language changed. Jordan avoided contemporary slang; suddenly characters are spouting "literally" in the contemporary "figurative" sense.

Jordan wasn't doing a great job, but Sanderson shit all over it.

>> No.70724813

Book of the new sun is fantastic for sure, but I think the Latro books are a lot more fun.

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Believe it or not, I'm currently a PhD on speculative fiction and will include an entire chapter on Gormenghast. It's not an easy read for most people, but it is a beautiful book.

>> No.70728597

>Prince of Nothing series. 8/10, would reread.

Prince of Nothing is by far the worst fantasy book I've ever read.

>> No.70728631

Discworld. I'd recomend starting with Wyrd Sisters.

>> No.70729390

How would you describe it?
Any good comparisons?

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>> No.70732762

I see tons of suggestions for Elric, and while I love Elric, I always thought it was inferior to the Corum series. Especially the Swords trilogy. The way it describes Corum's alien worldview (he literally can't imagine why humans would kill other humans, and the human he asks literally can't understand why he wouldn't want to kill other members of his race), the bizarre races and locales, somewhat more grounded ideas about fighting gods (you can't kill them, but you can't banish them from the universe and nearby universes). Its all around a crazy good fantasy series that borders on being perfect.

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>> No.70733687

Library of Mount Char was really good, would recommend to others.

The Necromancer's House was good too

>> No.70733696

who wrote the Wayfarers books?
the only Wayfarer series I know of is Wayfarer's redemption

>> No.70733722

Night Wind's Woman a bodice ripper that I had the plot to figured out by page 5, but the sex was really well written. was recommended to me by a young woman I was friends with in college.

>> No.70733744

I have been reading Malazan for the last seven years. I'm about halfway through the fourth (chronological) book. Still not sure if I love it or can't stand it. I can't help but put it down for months at a time. It's so dense in detail and I always feel like I need to re read the last few chapters a couple times. It can be exhausting to deal with.

>> No.70733766

>Because /lit/ is too far up it's own ass
>If telling people I read this book doesn't get me validation from my fellow pseuds I don't want anything to do with it

>> No.70733782

Anon, do you have attention deficit disorder?

>> No.70733815

Farseer books are so damn good. I read all three trilogies in about a month after picking the first one up. It's so goddamn full of little details that have payoff sometimes up to eight books later but not in a big way just as a little "aha, I remember that thing about Regal, he was such a little prick haha" and there are SO MANY of those, also the whole main character actually having flaws. For anyone who's read the two king-killer books that are out so far, Imagine if Kvothe wasn't a ridiculous marysue with no real redeeming non author self insert bullshit.

>> No.70733818

Nah, that Mormon robot never did a good job at anything. He just doesn't know how to write humans

>> No.70733865

I agree with your point on his characters. However, he is very good at being autistic and creating cool magic systems that I can be equally autistic about and obsess over.

>> No.70733976

They're too shonen battle anime-y for my taste
>power origins don't really make sense but who cares it's magic lol
>asspull special chosen one powers that cheapen the whole framework

>> No.70733979

Mistborn's characters, weren't deep by any means, but imo, they did their job for a fun adventure fantasy in a pretty interesting setting. Less photorealistic renderings of humans, more exaggerated scale models. They were okay, but not the star of the show.

>> No.70734001

Am I weird for carrying over dumb tg stuff into the books I read now? Like noting how many times in a fantasy novel magic is used to outright solve a problem compared to how many times people use regular old skill to accomplish anything remotely noteworthy?

>> No.70734011

It's the alien mindset and awkward speech patterns that only make sense to someone heavily indoctrinated into a space cult that gets me

>> No.70734015

The black company books by Glen Cook are pure /tg/ kino.

>> No.70734398

Sword of Truth by Terry Goodkind. It’s fantasy that’s also politically insightful!

>> No.70734526

Agree with you on the stormlight archives asspull for chosen one powers but mistborn explains the reasons later on why Vin "not Min from wheel of time with super powers she's my character guys swear" is more powerful in certain aspects.

>> No.70734540

My Nigga

>> No.70734542

Are you daniel greene?

>> No.70734549


>> No.70734582

Hard recommend against anything from Lackey. She's hard into rape and pedophilia with at least one appearing in every book, usually both, it's always unsubtle and poorly written and rarely even plot relevant. It also has a problem with good guys being objectively good and recontextualizing their actions after the fact to justify any evil that might happen along the way.

It's basically what would have happened if Ayn Rand or Terry Goodkind were lefties.

>> No.70734625

Lackey is just fujocore. If you want the western equivalent of fantasy yaoi manga she's the go-to.

>> No.70734653

Personally I liked her Herald-Mage series like the first guy recommended, mostly because I seriously empathized with Vanyel, especially the part where he built up all those emotional walls to keep himself from hurting but was really just alone inside. But unlike him, I didn't meet up with a hot and supportive twink BF so I just slowly grew into an emotionally broken person. It was bittersweet because he was so close to me but actually got the support he needed.

And then of course THAT happened and it left me depressed for a week.

>> No.70734689

What was the reason again? It's been a while since I read them, but I vaguely recall it being because she was some sort of Ta'veren.

>> No.70734719

I will always have a soft spot for the Black Company but looking back I kinda feel that it squandered it's premise. Croaker actually spends very little of his time being a military surgeon to a battalion of gritty mercenaries. He's usually seperated from the unit while he's doing spec ops or hanging out with wizard demi-gods and his doctorin' mostly comes up in passing during time skips. The Company itself spends more time as a ragtag group you could stuff into a minibus than a full unit marching in formation, even in Dejagore the "True Company" is still a handful of guys. I love the books but a wardiary about the day-to-day life of a mercenary surgeon in this world that was closer in style to the first part of the first book would have been great.

She Is The Darkness

Garret is also a guilty pleasure and deserves a little more exposure. It would be good inspiration along with Thieves World, Lieber and Discworld for a game set in a decadent fantasy metropolis.

>> No.70734761

I honestly thought Vanyel was absolutely loathsome, which was one of the few things I genuinely enjoyed about that trilogy. I hated the arrows trilogy because of just soulless and boring-good Talia was. All of his relationships were at least a little complex with a lot of the shit coming from his side. I genuinely loved the scene with Jarvis(? the armsmaster) when he comes home, that was the only scene I would recommend. Just the lack of coherent story, stakes, and worldbuilding, pulled me out of it so fast I can't call them good books.

I actually discovered them from the album made up of the songs at the end of the books and I maintain that those 5 minute songs had better plots and a more interesting universe than the actual books.

>> No.70734796

Maybe Vanyel isn't a perfect character but what resonated with me was that he was, memes aside, literally me but better, and also with a better lot in life until it all gets violently ripped away from him. Took me on a fucking emotional roller coaster. But maybe if you weren't in the situation I described it doesn't touch you in the slightest, which is fair. It just happened to push all my buttons.

>> No.70735087

David Gemmell's novels are all pretty great. Just good, honest stories about men being men. Druss is solid good aligned hero who isn't an idiot boy scout, Skilganon and Tenaka Khan are examples of anti-heroes who aren't edgelords, and Morningstar is a master class on moral greyness that avoids edge and doesn't preach hard.

Second David Eddings, although I've only read the Sparhawk trilogies.

Peter Watts' Blindsight is interesting, and the sequel whose name I forget now is also pretty decent. It's the kind of sci-fi that kind of gets up its own ass and wanks to itself, but there's enough good ideas there to make it worthwhile.

>> No.70735451

>moral clarity

>> No.70736231

her earring had her dead sister's powers in it which was why she could pierce copper clouds

>> No.70736748

Can't say I've read a lot but I read the Raymond E Feist trilogy about a decade ago. I enjoyed it. Focussed on three characters who know each other as children in the first book, 'Magician' and then they split up as their world is invaded by another plane of existence. The main three characters age and mature throughout the series and you really feel that gradual change. A lot of slavery in this series. Interesting take on 'light' and 'dark' elves.

>> No.70737175

This. Vance was a fuckin chad.

>> No.70737244

Malazan is excellent, but it's the definitive example of "Too much lore. Brain.exe has stopped working."

>> No.70738148

The lore is the only reason to read the books.
It's not like the characters themselves are anything to write home about.

>> No.70738499

The first 5 or so Gotrek and Felix books are pure pulpy kino

>> No.70738505

Ive only read the first three Garret books (the first omni) but fuck are they fun.

>> No.70738530

I remember the point where it has Felix being outfought by a fucking Gor under the new writer as when it was being run into the dirt

>> No.70738554

I'm on and off reading Vance's Gaien Reach stuff right now, and it's pretty excellent. I feel like he kind of gets double fucked because his dying earth stuff is generally glossed over when talking about fantasy, but then when people do talk about him, its generally JUST dying earth. Fucker wrote nearly a hundred fuckin novels, his sci-fi is top notch.

>> No.70738570

Yeah, I never read any that weren't done by William King. Him, Graham McNeil, Dan Abnett, and one other dude I'm forgetting are pretty much the only good black library authors

>> No.70738639

The lies of locke lamora was very good, and I can recommend it to you touchy autists.

I personally like the following, but most of you would get triggered
>forsaken house
>elminster, the making of a mage
(^this one is actually my favorite; the other elminster novels are trash but this one somehow came out great)

>> No.70738721

Anyone happen to know of a good dark mage or necromancer series? It's the one thing I've never come across.

>I personally like the following, but most of you would get triggered
Posters in book threads are pretty chill for /tg/. We all have our tastes but we've read plenty of stuff that wouldn't classify as great writing to get that fantasy fix. If you haven't read Raymond E. Feist's Magician books you'd probably like them based on that list.
My little secret is liking the Recluce books by Modessit.

Alright, you've convinced me anon, I'm in.

>> No.70739133

Die (dice) suffers from 2 core problems:
1. They have a questionable party composition, which means they can't just fight they way trough the warzones
Which means its fundamentally a power level drama, where they haven't gotten far enough into the series to engage in organized warfare.
2. Its only 10 chapters, ongoing. So maybe it will be worth reading in 2022 or 2023 when its finished.

Still waiting for Dying Earth to be become available via my nation libraries borrow system.
If it doesn't, I might have to buy the book before easter.

>> No.70739350

You can usually get the entire Dying Earth for around ten bucks used on Amazon. It's worth owning, IMO

>> No.70739395

Recently read the Star Wolf series by Edmond Hamilton. Pretty good sixties era sci-fi about a dude who was raised by a race of super tough space Vikings, and he's also fairly tough because he grew up on their high gravity world. It was kind formulaic, but I enjoyed it.

>> No.70740985

Patrick Rothfuss king killer chronicles is pretty great

Dont read a slow regard of silent things

>> No.70741133

basically anything by C.S. Friedman

>> No.70742847

I second Sanderson.

>> No.70743014

I feel like I'm crazy. Everyone loves Sanderson but I found Way of Kings to be unreadable yet everyone treats him like the 2nd coming of Fantasy. Anyone else feel this way?

>> No.70743031

>River God
I read Birds of Prey and I must say that it is incredibly well-researched, realistic piracy. Plus decent smut.

>> No.70743309

read Fritz Lieber's Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser

>> No.70743727

I'd like some reading materials to draw inspiration and ideas from for my next campaign, which is a gunslinging romp through an old timey, Wild West environment. I think it might be deviate from /tg/'s usual fare, but can anyone make a decent recc?

>> No.70743893

Not exactly /tg/, but the Saint of Killers from Preacher makes for a good threat.

>> No.70744788

I don't like Sanderson that much. There's just not a lot of good new authors.

>> No.70745183

He is literally MCU of fantasy novels.
If you like your decent fantasy novels be part of all encompasing intriguing storyline that gets clearer with each novel then he is indeed a 2nd coming. Otherwise there are other authors that are better at writing what you are looking for

>> No.70745248

I like to think of him as the popcorn of fantasy. It's not a meal you are going to remember forever, it won't change your life, you aren't going to look up the recipe, you won't tell anyone stories about how good so and so's popcorn was. But it's popcorn, it wasn't bad, and it did what you wanted it to. Just because it wasn't some 7 course meal doesn't mean it has to be.

>> No.70745313

He's popular solely due to his networking and marketing

>> No.70745329

> Echopraxia
the name of the sequel you were looking for

Peter Watts is what you get when you give oldschool /b/tard a typewriter and no editorial oversight. It is hundreds of pages filled with hatred for humanity and everything that exists.
He also wrote Rifters trilogy that is even bleaker than Firefall duology.

Also because existence is meaningless here is link to Blindsight:

>> No.70745333

Slightly related question, since this is /tg/ lit and not just fantasy, are there any good authors aside from tales of the flight earth that do a sort of epic mythology feel? And aside from the actual classics themselves I mean

>> No.70745413

Recommend me some Sci-fi /tg/.

>> No.70745418

Like popcorn without caramel that doesn't have any taste, there's a shitload and it always tastes bland, styrofoam popcorn sanderson

>> No.70745489

<= Licanius Trilogy is closest we will ever get to
Continuum° novel.

The story is a conflict between "Future is Predetermined and must stay so" faction and "If we break past hard enough future can change" faction with both of them having good points and both of them fighting across past and present.

>> No.70745688

>it's in one of those tri-flavored cans
>two are unflavored
>one is petroleum flavored
>makes you wonder what's going on the creator's noggin

>> No.70745730

last scifi I read was ender's game and the the sequel with the pigs. It's been over a decade, but I remember them being good

>> No.70745929

Anything by Jacek Dukaj, while the author is an insufferable cunt that i will punch next time i see.

His books are antidote to libtard utopian murcan sci fi of today. It is filled with with white cishet males getting shit done and superiority of tradition and consistency in face of incessant drive for change and mutation.
And if you are not into that he has intersting things to say about transhumanism, hierarchical realtions and weight of history.

>> No.70746264

>Needing to cover your popcorn with candy
Fucking amerifats, was the butter and salt not enough already.

>> No.70746762


>> No.70747123

CJ Cherryh's Faded Sun trilogy is pretty interesting, and I'm also fond of Mercedes Lackey's Dragon Jousters. The Bartimaeus Trilogy is generally well-liked around here too.

>> No.70748566

Who is Daniel Greene & why would you think I’m him?

>> No.70748680

Sanderson, in my opinion, is the modern Tolkien. I don’t mean that he is equal to Tolkien in any one facet or anything, but Tolkien put fantasy on the map, & created great evocative worlds & basically a complete fictional mythology. Everyone has been ripping him off for years.

Sanderson appeals to the modern fantasy reader, complex interpersonal stories with punchy action & a new focus on detailed & simplistic magic. He even does something that not many authors do. He shows the evolution of magic over time. He tells great stories & lays down new avenues of thought when writing fantasy. As much as GRRM likes to think of himself as the new Tolkien, he isn’t because he just make a historical fiction tale & threw a few lame & overused fantasy tropes in there.

>> No.70749279

Read anything by Poul Anderson, Phillip K Dick, Fritz Leiber, Diana Wynne Jones, Terry Bisson, Robert Howard, Charles L Grant, Karl Edward Wagner, MA Foster, Alan Dean Foster, CS Lewis, Clive Barker, Frank Herbert, Robert Anton Wilson, Phillip Pullman, Clark Ashton Smith, HPL and Andrej Sapkowski.

In terms of singular works, read Starship Troopers, The Hobbit, The Stand, Eye of the Dragon, Warhound and the World's Pain, Stardust, Armageddon Rag, Satyr Day, The Book of the Dun Cow and the Eye of the World.

Avoid Brandon Sanderson, Moorcock (great ideas but a shit writer by his own admission), GRRM, Piers Anthony, Stephen King and 95% of horror writers, especially ones that were big in the 80s.

The rest of Wheel of Time just isn't worth it.

The Magic Kingdom of Landover is pretty fun.

>> No.70749707

Great list. Don't forget Dying Earth, Book of the New Sun, Black Company and Glory Road.

>> No.70749822

Sanderson is crap. But he's got the discipline to turn out books, he's doing fantasy with a fully modern authorial voice, and he's hitting themes that may be new to readers who haven't done a lot of reading of older fiction. So he's a lot of new readers' first exposure to (what should be) the good stuff.
For myself, I have read a lot of older stuff, and I prefer fantasy without a modern authorial voice, and reading him is like nails on a blackboard. I can follow intellectually why he gets recommended, but for many readers it's not good advice. For readers who've only read Harry Potter and aren't going to get through Lord Dunsany, then by all means skip Eragon and go straight to Sanderson.

>> No.70749959

You're a virgin if you haven't read Neuromancer.

>> No.70749976

The ONLY reason /tg/ turned against ASOIAF is because the show got popular.

>> No.70750056

Straight up westerns. It almost doesn't matter what, a lot of the old paperbacks are quick reads, but if you need titles:
From Louis L'Amour: Hondo, The Tall Stranger, or The Haunted Mesa for hints of the supernatural.
The Shootist by Glendon Swarthout
True Grit by Charles Portis. The novel is well worth your time, but either movie is acceptable if you just need some quick inspiration.
The Steamboaters: The Best of the West is a short story anthology I enjoyed. I don't quite place it in the same rank as the classics above, but I find short stories a more efficient way to steal ideas than novels sometimes.

>> No.70750263

The Accursed Kings series is better in every way. It's not edgy, it doesn't burst with overly drawn descriptions, it has reasonable timescale that shows how stupidly fast events in ASOIAF progress.

>> No.70750289

I came here to post this.

>> No.70750312

Not /Lit/ but /co/, but has anyone else read the Land of Arran comics? Elves, Dwarves, Orcs & Goblins. The original creator is an old WHF guy I think. Most of the stories are good, if a bit cliched but the art is what I’m really liking

>Redwin is best boy

*translated french comics

>> No.70750340

I turned on ASOIAF when I realized that book 6 was never coming out.

>> No.70750398

The fact that the fat old fuck can write so well, particularly in the Dunk and Egg series but won’t sit down to give us the books and more novellas fills me with such burning anger, 14 years waiting I want to die.

>> No.70750451

seriously, no one's mentioned this guy?

>> No.70750520

Burning Chrome by William Gibson. It's short stories, you have no excuse. Neuromancer, by the same author. It's the first of three stand-alone novels in the same series - you'll know if you want to continue but read at least the first.
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. Diamond Age by the same author is also excellent but a denser read. As with Gibson, these two seem to be set in the same world but stand alone.
Above should be required reading for anyone who GMs Shadowrun. But it's of interest for most gamers as well, and is excellent in it's own right.
>trad sci fi
Anything by Poul Anderson. The High Crusade is one of his best known, though it's not truly hard sf.
The Mote in God's Eye, Niven and Pournelle. First contact with actually alien aliens.
Older Robert Heinlein. Have Spacesuit, Will Travel and Podkayne of Mars are two good choices. Starship Troopers gets all the love and all the hate, but Heinlein's earlier cadet fiction stands up by itself. It's also possibly more influential than his better known works - many of the engineers who worked on Apollo credited him as an inspiration.
Vorkosigan series by Bujold. Already mentioned in another light above, but even allowing for the author touching on romance in a couple of entries it's one of the best space opera series out there. Better written than David Weber's Honorverse in my opinion, and at least less Mary-Sueish. Taking them roughly in publication order will keep you away from her only bomb, her latest book in the series.
Dune by Frank Herbert. A longer book, and not necessarily where you should start if you're new to sci fi, but belongs on the list.

>> No.70750522

I hated ASOIAF by the 4th chapter because my god I don't give a fuck about any of the characters nor their struggles.

>> No.70750599

>Stephen King
King is even more "great ideas but shit writer" than Moorcock is, as shown by how often he gets movie adaptations that are better than his books. There's also a tiny bit of genuinely profound literature hidden deep within IT's 1000-something pages, which sadly mostly gets lost in the new movies.

>> No.70750605

in my books deltora quest is approved

>> No.70750619

I'll check it out.

>> No.70750814

hes a youtuber with a quickly growing sub count that does pretty even handed reviews of a lot of fantasy books and has about the same opinions you posted.

>> No.70750946

Are there any wholesome, feel-good science fiction or fantasy novels out there? You know, something in the vein of C. S. Lewis or Tolkien or Timothy Zahn, with the same sincerity, fairy-tale spirit, and lack of pretense as something like Star Wars or the Chronicles of Prydain has, but without stooping into excessively saccharine and infantile pap.

My experience with fantasy literature is quite limited, so there are likely legions of stories and authors I've never read.

>> No.70750984

They're not bad. Some of them are kind of flat, but the 'main' characters are generally really good. Tehol sections are great fun, as are Bridgeburner sections.

>> No.70750991

>Are there any wholesome, feel-good science fiction or fantasy novels out there?
Maybe the Belgiarad, or anything by Eddings.

>> No.70751084

Describing any modern fantasy author as the new Tolkien is never going to be accurate since Tolkien wasn't even trying to write fantasy, he was trying to write fairy tales. He was primarily a Beowulf scholar and possibly autistic in the actual meaning of the word, who pursued the creation of fantasy worlds as escapism from a modernity he found unbearable. The legendarium was made because as a philologist he thought that he couldn't make a language that made sense without an accompanying mythology.

Sanderson's worldbuilding wasn't born with Tolkien, who would have hated the sheer mundanity with which he handles magic (he was famously very angry at CS Lewis for putting a lamp post in Narnia) but with hard sci fi authors. He shares the same notion that if something is "unrealistic"/doesn't logically, directly follow in a materialistic way from your initial setup it's inherently lazy and probably bad writing, while you might notice Tolkien's entire setting was a detour from making imaginary elfspeak. And instead of being anal about scientific accuracy he's anal about his own made-up magic systems

>> No.70751170

I've heard of the Belgariad, how is it?

>> No.70751229

The Face in the Frost, John Bellairs
Elizabeth Boyer's fantasy novels. Eleven in total, I won't list titles but all I've read have been good.
James Blaylock, The Elfin Ship, The Disappearing Dwarf, The Stone Giant
Diana Wynne Jones

>wholesome, feel-good
>Maybe the Belgiarad, or anything by Eddings
He's no Glen Cook or John Ringo in the sense of spelling it out or dwelling on it, but Eddings has rape, murder, slavery, the slaughter of battle, and a ruler in bed with starving 12 year old twins all in there, just... alluded to so swiftly and matter of factly that the reader is allowed to move on without dwelling on it if they so choose.
But don't tell that poor anon it's wholesome and feel-good.

>> No.70751274

>but Eddings has rape, murder, slavery, the slaughter of battle
Lord of the Rings and Dune had that too, I didn't mind
>and a ruler in bed with starving 12 year old twins all in there
Oof, cringe, yikes...that'll be a hard pass. I was looking for literature without another Vladimir Harkonnen ideally.

>> No.70751512

>but Eddings has rape, a ruler in bed with starving 12 year old twins all in there,
Man, I don't remember any of that, then again I haven't read anything by Eddings in five years.

>> No.70751891

I've been enjoying Shattered Steel and the x-wing novel series.

>> No.70752082

I dunno about the 'core' books, but Belgarath the Sorcerer is hilarious.

>> No.70752205

Sanderson's full of shit he's written one novel but changed the cover several times

>> No.70752230

criminally underrated taste. It was such a uniquely colourful series

>> No.70752411

I like it but I am put of by the bleakness of the whole damn series. I really like everything that has anything to do with Seven Cities though.

>> No.70752444

Nope. Tried to read the first book back in 09, probably? It was before the show started, friend was into it. Tried to read on two occasions, couldn't get 200 pages into it. Boring as fuck.

>> No.70752669

not a single one one you tards has mentioned Redwall, you all make me sick

>> No.70752693

Anything by Lloyd Alexander.

>> No.70752735

First three books of the rivers of London series were pretty good.
Pity it took a nosedive after

>> No.70753045

I always have to recommend Tolkien. If his writing bores you, or you skip the poetry either come back to it in a few years or listen to the audio books. Extensive reading order is: On Fairy Stories(an essay), Mythopoeia(a diss track response to C.S. Lewis), Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, then Silmarillion(Children of Hurin, Beren and Luthien, and Fall of Gondolin are optional since renditions of the stories appear in the Silmarillion), finally Leaf by Niggle(a non-Middle Earth work) to finish it all off. This is all max comfy and Christ-pilled.

>> No.70753235

Less famous works I've enjoyed are The Lords Of Dus series, beginning with Lure Of The Basilisk. I certainly learned never to take side missions from The King In Yellow.

The Fallible Fiend by L. Sprague de Camp

The Mongoliad, a project by several authors to raise the bar of swordfighting in fantasy.

Thraxis, a pretty solid noir/whodunnit series following the adventures of a morbidly obese private investigator who was the head of the Royal Guard before he was fired. The breakout character is a barmaid who is an elf/orc hybrid escaped gladiator who admits that no, her chainmail bikini doesn't work very well as armour, but she's not above removing a couple of links if it brings in more tips.

The Sundered Realm/The War of Powers.

>> No.70753405

Mortal Engines series, anyone? It's kind of YA bs at times, but man, that world.

>> No.70753499

Which Mortal Engines? :^)

>> No.70753522

>but man, that world.
is trash compared to The Edge.

>> No.70753906


The books, the quartet, whatever.

Do you think I was talking about the movie in a /lit/ thread?

The movie was hilariously bad. Main characters' chemistry is so nonexistent they had to add in voices of joy in editing, during their embrace in the final shot.

The guy legit goes "HA HA HA HA, AAAaahhh" like someone in a toothpaste commercial

>> No.70753989

>book 6
It sounds like it will come out this year. But I don't think he finishes the series.
Yea. He's decided to do other stuff.
>The Accursed Kings series
Going to check this out.

>> No.70754184

Frasier the holiday episodes the novelization

>> No.70754941

Saturn Run by Ctein and John Loren Sandford

>> No.70756415

I enjoyed it and thought the pacing was fine, personally.

>> No.70756447

Sanderson spits out at least one door stopper a year

>> No.70758159

Thanks, I'll look into all of this. The Haunted Mesa sounds particularly interesting because I am looking to include some supernatural or extraterrestrial themes to the game.

>> No.70760067

What’s wrong with lit?

>> No.70760341

But one of the major points of the trilogy is that nothing individuals do matters in grand scheme of things and that any efforts to change yourself are futile.

>> No.70760368


>the point
>your head

>> No.70760448

So what system is best to run pic related ?
And prove that it is not FATAL

>> No.70760671

The Book of the New Sun is basically perfect.

>> No.70760982

Seconding Lightbringer. It's some good shit.

>> No.70761094

Hedge Knight is better than the mainline series and you can't change my mind.

>> No.70761504

Pretty sure that was the king of the Nadraks, nothing was explicit but he had two bone thin waifs in his bed. Iirc Eddings specifically mentioned that they looked starving and traumatized, so the conclusion that they were starving rape victims is pretty natural.

>> No.70761529

It has fun characters but not it’s not really clever and it’s often lazy

>> No.70761571

Terry Pritchett. Try thief of time, mort, or feet of clay first.

>> No.70761603

Fuck you pleb, read Slow Regard of Silent Things.

>> No.70761941

Laundry (Atrocity Archives, etc) books are great especially the first few.

>> No.70762183

Oh come on, people just don't want to have their wasted time wasted even more.

>> No.70762279

I'm a big fan of the First Law series and highly recommend listening to the audiobook, as the narrator's performance is fucking incredible. My friends and I have our gripes with the story but I would absolutely listen to anything narrated by Steven Pacey.

>> No.70762473

Just started Claw of the Conciliator. Shit's been cash so far, though I'm not sure where this is supposed to go. Severian just seems to be getting distracted at every corner. Also Dorcas a cute.

>> No.70765619

>> No.70765976

Realize I could end up getting some deraily answers asking this, but I'll ask anyways. Are there any decent series with a female mc?

>> No.70766112

>, but then when people do talk about him, its generally JUST dying earth
So many authors get that curse, so yeah I get what you feel.

>> No.70766124

>The legendarium was made because as a philologist he thought that he couldn't make a language that made sense without an accompanying mythology.
That ties in really well with his opinion that a language like Esperanto would never catch on because of that very reason.

>> No.70767212 [SPOILER] 

Seriously, name a big pleb filter than this
although I love the first trilogy, and thought it had great elements, the setting wasn’t very original, yes I know this is on purpose. Books of the South brought in amazings african and Indian myths and hierarchies, yet I always hear that people just “couldn’t get into the books of the south”. Wtf? It’s definitely been my favorite part so far, so much that I was actually annoyed going back to the northern perspectives in Silver Spike. But admittedly I ended up loving Silver Spike too, for Case and based Limper

>> No.70767267

Transhumanism with philosophy, life, and bloody humanity; back when it was humanity amplified instead of genderswapping and reddit.

>> No.70767385

All based.
For fantasy kino, I recommend
>Black Company
>Wheel of time (fuck you)
>Stormlight Archives (fuck you)
>Nine Princes of Amber
>Magician: Apprentice
>Sandman (It’s /co/ but it’s the best comic ever made)
>Dark Tower
>the codex Alera
>name of the wind (he’s pulling a book of the new sun style twist you pleb retards)
>book of the new sun
For sci-fi kino
>leviathan trilogy (YA but it’s really interesting, World War 1 with Steampunk versus Biologicalpunk
>Ender’s Game

>> No.70767408

Concur. The Demon Lords was also very enjoyable and despite its name is a Sci-Fi novel.

>> No.70767442

>name of the wind
Fuck you

>> No.70767469

The Lady pulled Darling to her. She had no strength, so it must be that in a way, Darling allowed herself to be pulled. Then she whispered, "The rite is complete. I name your True Name, Tonie Fisk."

>> No.70767482

Do you want me to spoil things for you or do you want to figure it out yourself? Wolfe is a number of degrees more intricate of a writer than your stock standard SFF writer. He’s more akin to Melville, Joyce, Proust, and Nabokov than Assimov. If you’re reading for plot, you’re doing it wrong. Also, I can guarantee you that the plot you think is happening is nowhere near what is actually going on in the story

>> No.70767557

Fuck you, the main character’s not supposed to be likeable

>> No.70767568

Demon Princes, but yes, they are dope.

>> No.70767605

the wheel of time is hit or miss for some people. If you can make it to the fourth book, it will grab you for sure, though for a lot of people, it gets readable after the first book, which is basically just an extended homage to lord of the rings.

>> No.70767610

Fuck you that doesn't make the book good.

>> No.70767649

Fuck You the book IS good, the prose is great and so’s the pacing

>> No.70767667

that gets a lot better when you realize it was part of the world building. Due to the cultural events, most people in randland think men are retarded. Jordan was basically creating a world where women had the traditional roles of men in leadership, and vice versa.

Much of the story is men reclaiming respect and position in society to be on equal footing, and all the drama/awkwardness that incurs.

Hence why most of the relationship bullshit is "the man wants to do something I don't approve of? I must cut him off from everything to punish this insurrection"

>> No.70767684

and? "fuck you the book is supposed to be retarded" isn't a good defense.

I don't read self insert fan fiction, and I'm not going to read self-insert original fiction either.

>> No.70767913

If you think “unlikable main character” equals “retarded book” you’re a mega pleb.

>> No.70768117

Remembrance of Earth's Past trilogy. Grimdark as fuck.

>> No.70768138

I think using a narrative device of a conceited main character doe snot make me want to listen to that conceited character's self-insert self-fanfiction of how he learned to play music so well he could capture the essence of a waterfall or fuck so good he fucked a sex fairy into loving him or something.


Fuck you kvothe.

>> No.70768195

Maybe you guys can help me. There's a book I've been looking for since I heard about it but never could find.

I'm looking for a fantasy book where a scam artist/thief gets captured by the king and forced to make a city prosperous or he'll be killed and through a series of scams winds up inventing paper money and a banking system.

>> No.70768216

Sounds like something by Sir Terry Pratchett.

>> No.70768242

OP again, I'm still going through book two atm, but I think I figured why I'm not quite getting into it. I know it's a 15 fucking book mega series, but even still, I find that within a single volume, the characters feel sort of static. Rand remains pretty much the same person from beginning to end, and comes off sorta bland to me, despite getting his super powers. I think I honestly enjoy a few of the side characters more than most of the main cast. Having read Mistborn, even though it comes off a bit like a YA battle shonen (which I was okay with) the characters at least felt more dynamic to me. They take action, they have clear motivations, recognizable behaviors, and they undergo changes. It's like an impressionist take on character, low detail but bold shapes and colours that clearly define them. Rand is like a photorealistic dude who could be anybody. I will crit Sanders in that his writing style really shows the structure he arranged it all on.

Read and love Grampa Tolk, trying out WoT, have read Mistborn, also reading Way of Kings (I read multiple books at a time), some Sandman, some Dark Tower (another mega series), and yes, and yes to Hyperion and Dune.

>> No.70768297

Making Money by Terry Pratchett. But start with Going Postal which introduces the character and sets up the second book.

>> No.70768298

>Rand remains pretty much the same person from beginning to end, and comes off sorta bland to me
Ironic that you say that about the guy who becomes a total psycho and the second coming of Muhammad

>> No.70768331

As I was saying, over the course of the full series, sure. But within EotW, he's pretty much static, despite the already significantly adventurous stuff he goes through. It seems like a lot of useless meandering, but I'll wait til' I finish book two before I write that in stone.

>> No.70768366

Eye of the World is about rand discovering what he is.
He then has to stop denying it to himself. He does undergo significant development though.

>> No.70768637

/tg/ you're a god damn hero these are exactly it.

>> No.70768795

Hey /tg/ a 12 yo kid comes up to you and says his parents deprived him of books, what books do you start him off on?

>> No.70769248

This may be old data, as I haven't been there for years, but I know back in like, 2012-2015, they held that pretty common "genre fiction isn't real literature" attitude you get from book snobs, and thus they were shit if you wanted recommendations of sci-fi or fantasy,

>> No.70769280

Hey, I just started like two weeks ago, before putting it down to force myself to finish another book first.

I assume from your spoiler and filename that it gets more explicit as it goes on? He just got the king out of the underworld.

I did definitely get a weird call-back to, of all things, the K6BD RPG as I was reading it. Add some sex moves from other Apoc games, and you're set, I'd think.

>> No.70769550

Harry potter

>> No.70769654

Going by page count EotW comprises only 6% of the series, he's got plenty of time to grow.
I really despise pseud book snobbery
>Does anything interesting take place in this book? Yes? Then take it away, it is not true literature. Real literature is vapid navel gazing and banal mundanity experienced by slogging through a cloying fog of sickeningly flowery prose.

>> No.70769697

>The actual D&D books.
Fucking hell mate. This is why /lit/ looks down on us.

>> No.70769822

Is this series any good? I found I have all the initial trilogy from a birthday years ago, and I guess I never read them.

>> No.70769905

I've currently only read the first book, but I was a big fan of it. I loved the usage of bells, and necromancy was my shit. I was surprised at how action-y it was, to be quite honest, so that was a pleasant surprise.

>> No.70769916

Huh, sorry I didn't see this in my previous post, but Sabriel has a nice female MC. I haven't read past the first book right now so I'm not sure if the rest of the books has a FeMC.

The Divine Cities Trilogy of Robert Jackson Bennett is great, and presently has female MCs in each of the trilogy, although they don't exactly stay the same, and one could argue that there's another MC that is male in the entire trilogy as well.

>> No.70769926

I completely agree with this statement. A religious experience in some ways, and is something you should really reread more than once.

>> No.70769983

>What books do you all recommend.
I think pic related is a good book. It's got some nice Italian flavor, feels very medieval, and the prose is great, almost sing-song at times, where the sentences would last entire paragraphs but you never notice. I'm a fan of GGK's prose. The folklore and the magic feel appropriately mysterious and strange, and there's a certain sadness in the book. It's great. Can't recommend it enough.

>> No.70770899

Read all of these but Sandman, anon has good taste.
Only addendum: WoT is better if you're younger or are very hard up for material to read through.

>> No.70770919

Dragonlance, Harry Potter, Magician: Apprentice, Saga of Recluce books

>> No.70771189

There's Jirel Of Joiry, by C.L. Moore
The Adventures Of Alyx, by Joanna Russ (she counts Fafhrd as an ex lover)
Mordant's Need, by Stephen R. Donaldson
Tombs of Atuan, and Tehanu, both by Ursula K. LeGuin
Equal Rites, by Terry Pratchett
The Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean M. Auel
The Dark Agnes de Chastillon stories, by Robert E. Howard

Outside of fantasy, there's
David Weber's Honor Harrington series
The Ship Who Sang, by Anne McCaffrey
I, Robot, by Isaac Asimov

>> No.70771425

Kushiel series by Jacqueline Carey is incredibly good and steamy.

>> No.70772194

I've been to the fantasy /lit/ thread every now and then but this thread is already better than all of them I've seen.

My personal recommendations
The zamonia books by Walter Moers a great, and they double as treasure trove for any gm who is not entirely bent on realism.
Also good: Belgariad novels, it's a bit generic form todays point of view but very well executed.
Old kingdom books by Garth Nix, a bit of a different take magic, feels much more grounded and raw than most what I've read so far.

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>> No.70772359

Nah I'll figure it out eventually - I got a small brain but not a completely dead one. Though I've figured by now this was going to be a lot more than what I thought I was getting into. I usually read manga and like garbage - with berserk being my top shelf. Friend recommended me botns since "wandering protag with big sword" and of course I fell for it because of "big sword go swoosh clang."

>> No.70772429

I thought I had picked up a parody of the first book. When I realised that it was in fact the real deal, about halfway through the first book, I just stopped reading, his style is hot garbage

>> No.70772464

It's a fun read

>> No.70772504

The two Ewilan trilogies by Bottero are pretty good

>> No.70772899

>Prism Pentad
I hope Dregoth fucks you up the ass for recommending this piece of shit. The only good thing that came from that whole mess was Lynn Abbey writing about Pavek and Hamanu in a few of the Chronicles of Athas novels.

>> No.70773093


A note; Book of the New Sun et. al. are actually pretty tricky to read. The particularly unusual way of writing, and deliberately obscuring some of the worldbuilding choices, means you need to have the time and space to settle into reading it. Like reading older classic fiction like Count of Monte Cristo and that sort of thing.

I read it first and had a bad time, just never feeling immersed. I realised later I'd actually wanted some popcorn reading. When I came back later and read it like I'd read Moby Dick or something it worked much better.


Eh. The books are very good, and interesting throughout, but the part where so many people are such shits and never grow or learn and get worse with the HAHA I AM THE SECRET BAD I ALWAYS WIN ALWAYS is traditionally meant to be paid off at the end by at least some measure of recompense or justice. Having it end in specifically the most undermining way it could isn't just a TWEEST, it retroactively weakens the rest of the story by having lied ot the reader about its narrative arc.

It's also often making the bad guys inexplicably lucky or absurdly hypercompetent and futuresigted to make it, and not in a written in world way.

It's a pity, because up to that moment it was quite good.

>> No.70773221



David Gemmel is recognised by basically everyone who's writing current heroic fantasy as one of the best at it. Prose is limite,d characters are simple, stories plain, but by fuck when it's the big heroic moment do you -feel- it. That moment is the whole reason heroic fantasy exists.


First three books are the most functional, because they actually managed to have individual within-book narrative arcs, with a collective cross-series narrative arc.

After that it went off the rails with books that can't at all stand on their own narrative, and then etnire series that can't conclude a story within themselves. It got back on the rails but the last like nine books could have been five with no loss if the filler was cut and they were done wit ha predetermined plan.

That's the problem with authors who gets reliable sales; they lose the fear that the next book might be the last, and they have to keep multi-book narratives tight lest they never get to publish the conclusion they worked multiple entire books for. Sure they improve as writers over time ,but I don't see many improving as story-enders.

>> No.70774190

>Garth Nix
This nigga wrote a book called a Confusion of Princes that I thought was excellent

>> No.70775588

And Drosta's (technically) one of the good guys!

>> No.70776217

Pic super related. Classic 80s sci-fi.

>> No.70779069

Deed of Paksenarrion by Elizabeth Moon. Which I recommend on its own merits by the way, not just for the female protagonist. Good take on what it means to be a paladin, without falling into the trap of tying itself to D&D and disappearing down the hole of bad gaming fiction.
Almost anything by Anne McAffrey. I read the Dragonriders of Pern and Crystal Singer books in middle school and enjoyed them. Then I tried something else by her as an adult and it didn't hold up at all for me. But she was a big part of popular sf for a while, so worth checking out to see what you think.
Mairelon the Magician by Patricia Wrede. Titular character is big in it as well, but the viewpoint character is female. Borders on YA and on romance, but it's a light enough touch I enjoyed it even as a guy (male).
Individual books by Bujold - Shards of Honor and Barrayar (or combined as Cordelia's Honor), plus Paladin of Souls from her fantasy Chalion series. I've already shilled her upthread but if you haven't read her she really is one of the best.
You might also enjoy Teresa Edgerton and Susan Dexter, both fantasy authors, but both of them do that thing where they follow a male character for much of a book or series, intersecting with a female character they win over. So not literally what you're asking for, but still written more to the interests of a female reader.

>> No.70779263

I gave up half way through the WoT series.
Malazan is good. The main series at least only really slows down on the 9th book (my god the children PoV). The sidebooks vary wildly in quality, from good (Return of the Crimson Guard) to my god why did I bother finishing this trash (Orb Scepter Throne).

I also recommend the Black Company series. It's style is a little different from most fantasy books but it's quite good if you can get past that.
Another series I didn't finish halfway through.
I've been thinking about reading that.

>> No.70779629

>>name of the wind (he’s pulling a book of the new sun style twist you pleb retards)

Seriously. Kvothe is practically a carbon copy of Cyrano de Bergerac, who was stupidly awesome until he died at the end.

>> No.70779654

Bartimaeus, hands down.

>> No.70779711


I have high hopes that guy will be killed off in the new trilogy. It’s happened before

>> No.70780034

No matter what happens in the new trilogy, i will never not be unhappy with the best character dying of magic cancer.

>> No.70781667

the black company
Darkwar is a pretty weird series by glen cook as well. technically scifi but also fantasy.

>> No.70781730

why did no one recommend The Expanse series?

>> No.70781747

i found it mixed if this is the one i'm thinking of

>> No.70783535

That's the sci-fi series, right?

>> No.70784008

Dunc and Egg is snappier, tighter, and follows the standard rules of storytelling much more closely.

The main series is more expansive and sprawling and, over time, immersive, and is able to build to higher dramatic stakes and more weighty conflicts. But if you just want an enjoyable, effective, well paced story yes Dunc and Egg would probably be preferable.

It's like how many single, standard length episodes of the Twilight Zone are pitch perfect whereas its impossible to be that perfect and consistently engaging across several seasons of a normal TV show.

>> No.70784585

It was weird to read this author's other books and realize they're a Mars and drug obsessed pervert.

>> No.70785791

What are some good fantasy books that capture the sort of romance of old fantasy tales, /tg/? Not in a sense of romantic relationships but the idealism, the heroism and grandness of everything like in old myths and such.
Preferably with human/elf romance

>> No.70785823

Poul Anderson's The Broken Sword

>> No.70787120

Any others?

>> No.70787496

Belgariad is the first that comes to mind

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