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"Weird-ass shit" edition

Previously: >>57348759

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>Thread Question:
What's the weirdest, most out-of-the-box deck you play?

>> No.57364172
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>>57364090
My banding deck. Its using Avacyn, Angel of Hope right now but I'm actually working on converting it to Arahbo since his eminence ability would be pretty handy and green is a really useful color for the deck. I've considered trying out Naya as well but really its all just for funsies anyway since nobody around me even plays commander

>> No.57364196
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>mfw I still don't have a "functional" edh deck other than a slightly modified meren precon, just a bunch of bits and pieces
>mfw keep getting interested in other decks
>mfw I don't even really play this format that often, let alone enough to justify buying multiple several hundred dollar decks.
It's like I want to build Meren, Titania, Ezuri Elfball, Newzuri, Patron, Feldon, Erebos, Hapetra, Bruna, Sydri, Kaalia, Sidisi/Damia reanimator, and Ayli all at once and I just don't have that kind of bank. So all that happens is I sometimes buy some of the cheaper staples while the more expensive staples keep raising in price like Urborg or Coffers.

>> No.57364282

>>57364151
please assist

>> No.57364309

>>57364282
Nope, that's always gonna be sorcery speed

>> No.57364396

>>57364309
not even pulling one card from my graveyard or hand?

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*Claimed Aw Mah Bunny *

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>>57364282
There's a lot more, just search for them yourself you lil shit

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>>57364480
VulpesSweetLittleGurl

>> No.57364824

Why do so many people bitch about Edgar markov? Ezuri, Ghave, even Thromok crap out tokens at a fast rate AND have access to green for ramp. I just don't get the hate

>> No.57364855

>>57364824
You can remove all of those. You can't do shit about eminence.

>> No.57364915
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>LGS hard bans all land destruction and stax because it's "unfun"
>puts arbitrary limit on counterspells and removal allowed in a deck
>meta devolves into games decided by whoever draws their combo first
>store owner and local judge who organizes the event each like to join games with their no wincon group hug decks and play kingmaker
>if your deck is deemed unfun in any way, table will continue to play as if you're not there

and now they're telling me that my neheb (formerly ashling, formerly hidetsugu, first EDH deck i ever built) is unfun because it "kills everyone".

i love magic, but i'm seriously thinking about quitting it for good. i don't want to play online because the social aspect (if you're playing with good people and not shithead randos) is a big draw for me.

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>>57364824
Can't interact with eminence without spells or abilities like stifle
Edgar has both access to incremental token production as well as infinite combo potential with pic related now.

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>>57364282
>>57364309
My fiancee uses this one and I've lost to it once I think

>> No.57365056

tfw you build a kess storm deck to play commander with all of the high tier magic players at your local store but they all sell out of magic and now you're 'that guy'

i have stared into the abyss and now it stares back

>> No.57365069

>>57364824
some people like to durdle and don't play wraths and get blown out by a big double combat step with edgar and 12 tokens on turn 7

>> No.57365080

>>57364915
Sometimes I feel bad that I have the most fun when I get to watch other people not play magic while I have fun ruining their games but really thats just how it go sometimes. But you're already playing with retards so I don't see why you care at all

>> No.57365092

>>57364196
I'd say that you should pick just one or two non-gimmicky decks you think you'll enjoy playing for a while.
Every time I built a gimmicky deck, I lost interest pretty quick, such as with Kraj, but at least I got some staples out of it, like judge foil Morphling.

>> No.57365099
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>>57365024
I once saw someone who had a combo in their Battle of Wits deck where they milled their own library then cast this.

>> No.57365123

>>57365080
nah man, if you play anything even remotely stax-y they'll just ignore it and pretend you're not at the table with them. skip your turn and give you the silent treatment.

>> No.57365237

>>57365123
Yeah what I'm saying is they're retarded and you're playing with shitheads. Find new people to play with or join the
>tfw no playgroup
club and start fantasizing about being able to play online but online kind of sucks but its better than not being able to play at all but you don't know anybody who plays online so fuck

>> No.57365308

>>57365237
hmm

>> No.57365361

>>57365099
>Battle of Wits in EDH
Que?

>> No.57365391

>>57365361
the only way i can feasibly see this happening is a playgroup that is very lax about wish rules and lets you grab any card, an infinite mana source, and activating spawnsire of ulamog 150 times for 150 ulamogs that all die to legend rule and shuffle into your deck

>> No.57365392

>>57365361
>play Spawnsire of Ulamog
>put 201 RoE Ulamog's or Kozilek's into play
>legendary rule then shuffle triggers
>you now have 200+ cards in your library
And if your playgroup doesn't let you do this because EDH has no sideboards, you need a new playgroup because clearly they hate fun.

>> No.57365420

>>57364915
Nice LGS full of babies. Kinda sounds like local YGO and waifucarders.

>> No.57365422
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>>57365391
You only need to active Spawnsire once my dude

>> No.57365447

>>57365392
>>57365391
I'd let my friend do this if he owned enough of the Eldrazi no proxies allowed.
He'd earn it then.

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>>57365447
>>57365392
>>57365391
Image didn't send

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>>57364915
>control/durdle decks dont like agressive decks that kill them befofe they combo
Wow no fucking shit. Play cards like bloodmoon and make them feel what its like to be controlled by red. Pack all your counterslots with pyroblast/reb and win with wincons like mycosynth and shatterstorm. If you wanted to get really cheeky you could win with grenzo, rogues passage, neheb, and aggrivated assault. Exiling all their decks with one boi will probably be your last game at that concentration camp you call an lgs but it would be a glorious end.

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>>57365694
u wot m8

>> No.57365755

>>57365391
>>57365447
You can just fetch 1 single Eldrazi Titan with the shuffle trigger and 1 Mirror Entity to activate for 0, then 148 other random changelings and eldrazi.

>> No.57365841

>>57365713
A meta like that can and should be broken, and it should be done in the most humiliating way possible. Drawing all their cards 1 at a time until theyre dead and being able to play them all is a good way to show them the error of their ways.

>> No.57365854

>>57365755
You'd need the cards in your library, which is the pile of face down cards you draw from.

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>>57365854
Exactly how stupid are you?

>> No.57365918

Is mono red neheb that fun? Ive got one but it seemed gimicky like ashling where it’d be fun one or two times and then i’d have builders remorse.

>> No.57365940

>>57365899
I dunno how stupid I'm meant to be but you definitely need 200+ cards in your deck not including any on the battlefield, in your hand, graveyard or exile.

>> No.57365994

>>57365940
That anon got the number wrong for some reason, but the principle is the same. Use Spawsire to fetch Ulamog + Mirror Entity + 198 Eldrazi. Activate Mirror Entity for 0, killing all your dudes. They all hit the graveyard at the same time, Ulamog triggers, and shuffles your graveyard into your library.
Congrats, you now have 200+ cards in your library.

>> No.57366077

>>57365994
you can just get an arbitrary amount of ulamogs, they'll already die to the legend rule

>> No.57366115

>>57365918
Do you enjoy mono red but dont want to shit infinite goblins, go down a linear path to victory like godo but dont want to play ashling then youve gotta play neheb.

>> No.57366131

>>57366077
I think that suggestion came after >>57365447 said they'd do it if the person owned all their Eldrazi, so if you own enough Ulamogs to win a Battle of Wits, you probably need it to feel better about your collection.

>> No.57366139

>>57365918
"make a lot of mana" opens a lot of possibilities

>> No.57366140

>>57366077
The point was there was a much more cost-efficient way than buying 200 copies of a $20 card.

>> No.57366158

Izzet Goblin Tribal. Is it worth it?

>> No.57366186

>>57366158
Wort does it better, because you get to play wort. One game i had warren instigator as a 10/10 trample

>> No.57366188

>>57366158
blue adds nothing

just play krenko or either wort

>> No.57366215

what’s the best way to make a wishboard?

>> No.57366246

>>57366215
don't bother with it unless you're playing cedh

if you're playing cedh, it's redundancy for your combos and situational stuff against your meta

>> No.57366293

>>57366215
>>57366246
Make one but don't expect to use it all the time, unless you always play in the same group and they're chill.

http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8526&p=90025#p90025

>> No.57366363

>>57364090
>Thread Question
I play a Zedruu "Group Hug" deck that carries a decent amount of howling mine effects I stole from someone on mtgsalvation. I've since tweaked it to include the dumbest combos I can think up and change it around every so often when something new comes up.

I won my last game by donating Price of Glory to someone and generating infinite landfall triggers/mana by blowing my own lands up with Sacred Ground out.

Pretty much the only constant in the deck is Wild Research

>> No.57366427

The new guy in our group was asking if we'd let him use Thrasios and Sygg, River Guide as partners because there's no Bant merfolk commander. Should we let him?

>> No.57366446

>>57366427
Kumena not being Bant was a huge oversight

Just let him play white cards in Thrasios and/or Kumena. Sygg isn't great but he's better than most partner options

>> No.57366467

>>57366427
Might as well.

Maybe you could start drawing 2 sometimes too. Or how about just letting someone cast spells they don't have the right colour mana for if they have at least the right CMC?

>> No.57366507

>>57366467
I mean commander started as a fake format, this sort of thing isn't really out of the question. We let another guy use Maelstrom Archangel as his commander, which can lead to some pretty fun games.

>> No.57366514
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>>57366427
No, that feels like a trap to me; a way to figure out how far he can bend/break the rules before you guys get bothered with it. That's a rabbit hole you really, really don't want to explore.

Thrasios + Sidar Kondo does the same thing for colors and without requiring house rules. Hell, he can even run Sygg in there.

>> No.57366529

>>57364915
Come play in a real meta. Right now my group plasy stax with mld, stax with artifact ramp, stax with a fuckload of card draw, stax into combo, and stax with more stax.

As much as some people would hate this, you need to go balls to the wall, or you're going to get blown the fuck out. No grouphug kingmaker bullshit. No politics. Just pure, unadulterated, skullfucking. We've had """cEDH""" shitters come play with us and they just can't handle it. Ghave's too slow, Mimeoplasm is a joke, Darietti is lolred, and honestly, it's so fun. Kess storm brews and tazri are way too unreliable to dong on the table, but even casual decks that sit down with us have a good time, and often win, because we spend the entire game making sure the other players don't combo.

>> No.57366543

>>57366529
>Come play in a real meta.
shit man, i would love to. it sounds like the group i had back in college before we all split.

>> No.57366545

>>57366446
sygg is secretly one of the best control commanders. a strictly better foxy loxy with a low curve does a lot. his only downside is he isn’t green.

>> No.57366577

>>57366545
>strictly
that's not what that means

>> No.57366607

>>57366543
I honestly feel bad for people who've never had this experience, but I don't know if it's worse to know what you're missing. You can come play with me any time you'd like, though I live in the hellish deathscape of beaverland.

I always laugh at people who post their lists in this general with like 20+ creatures, but act like they're hot shit. There's no way decks like that would beat any decent deck.

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>>57366577
there’s nothing wrong with my vocabulary

>> No.57366675

>>57366427
No, let him use another partner. Fucking thrasios is busted as all hell in a merfolk deck and doesnt need a full powered sidekick to make him look bad.

>> No.57366686

>tfw my goblins get here tomorrow
I wont have all of the goblins and lands and such yet, but Im off to a pretty good start

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>>57366640
8.5 tails can save you from lethal spell damage while sygg cannot

i.e. sygg is not "strictly" better

sygg is definitely more practical as a commander though

i.e.

>> No.57366785

Second Thread Question:
What blocks (doesn't have to be just one or even concurrent) would make for a real fun EDH card pool?

Inversely, what sets would you are?

>> No.57366800

>>57366785
Would you axe*
Phone posting is a hell of a drug

>> No.57366809

>>57366785
OG zendikar was pretty good

either of the ravnica blocks for commander diversity

i'd probably axe original mirrodin because it's mostly just overpowered and boring artifacts

>> No.57366822

>>57364090
My Keranos landfall deck. Pick between pulling all basics from my deck into play in a single turn, infinite landfall triggers, infinite 1/1 flyers, or infinite copies of an instant/sorcery.

>> No.57366878

>>57366785
My deck themes keep ending up innistrad, ravnica, zendikar, dominaria with a dash of ixalan, a generous splash in lorewyn/shadowmoor and a smatterting of key of new phyrexia cards.
Id axe theros, kamigawa and tarkir if i had to axe sets. The cards from those sets are either not impactful enough or are straight busted. Also that means Id get to ban kodamas reach which means green has less ways to abuse its mechanics.

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Maybe some of you remember me, maybe you don't. But I have a story for you.

>I'm "that guy" who plays in a meta where custom commanders are allowed
>there's one guy literally playing Azathoth, The Blind Idiot God that reads:
>5WURBG
>Indestructible, hexproof, persist
>When Azathoth enters the battlefield, exile all other permanents. If you control Azathoth at the beginning of your next upkeep, you win the game.
>I told a story about countering it with summary dismissal, and the faggot using it as justification to continue running it, which my playgroup allowed.
>anyways, today I went over to play some EDH with these sloppy fucks
>everyone is now rocking a wide variety of shitty custom commanders
>I bring in some new hotness
>a fully tuned Oona infinite mill deck
>oodles of mana shitting out everywhere, even more tutors, and a buttload of staxlocks
>but for this playgroup I made a custom commander
>"Oona, the Mill God"
>"3: Target opponent exiles the top card of their library. If it was a nonland card, each player draw a card."
>at first they think it's hilarious
>and now custom commanders are banned
I'm so happy anons, you don't even understand.

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>>57366879
Good work anon, custom cards are cancer.

>> No.57366908

>>57366675
Thrasios doesn't really have merfolk synergy besides the creature type

Thrasios is way more busted when he can be a wincon in the command zone and when he gets to play with black and white cards

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>>57366879
Proud of you anon

>> No.57366919

>>57366879
Hey I remember you! Glad to hear you fixed that problem, truly an inspiration.

>> No.57366948

>>57366785
give me a specific number?

>> No.57366967

>>57366785
probably kamigawa, honestly, and khans

>> No.57366969

>>57366908
The only synergy merfolk have is that they are merfolk. Thrasios gets to be a busted unblockable omega beater and gets to draw you your whole deck if you build it right.

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>>57364090
relevant

>> No.57366979

>>57366607
Yeah I'm sure your shitty homebrew can beat tier 1 decks you shitter

>> No.57367035

>>57366969
That's simply not true. Look at the Merfolk legends that give actual bonuses to Merfolk - Kopala, Kumena, UW Sygg.

Playing Thrasios as the commander of a Merfolk deck is like playing Vorel as the commander of a Merfolk deck. Yes, it's a Merfolk, but it doesn't give any Merfolk-specific bonuses - just giving random value.

Obviously Thrasios draws your deck with infinite mana, but if that's your main goal you shouldn't be filling your deck with Merfolk

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>>57366975
oops

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>>57366919
>>57366914
>>57366906
Thanks guys. I almost quit magic entirely after the first time, but then I decided fuck that, and beat them at their own game.

And boy howdy, did I beat them at their own game. After the 5th game in a row I locked them out then decked everyone, it was Azathoth who ironically wanted custom commanders banned. I consider it a flawless victory.

>> No.57367101

>>57367035
>this merfolk isnt tribal because his ability isnt restricted to merfolk
Your arguement is akin to saying hes too good so he cant be tribal. The card gets you to the other merfolk, enchantments and artifacts that matter and gets rid of chaff land draws while also getting you a free card to play always. Hes a great merfolk commander and an excellent leader for a tribal merfolk deck.

>> No.57367142

>>57366879
>>"3: Target opponent exiles the top card of their library. If it was a nonland card, each player draw a card."
I don't get it, why is that worse than the azathoth thing?

Also, nice timestamp there anon.

>> No.57367215

>building 5c Zuberas, clones, self-mill, mass reanimator, and aristocrats
do you think wizards would ever print a panharmonicon for effects that trigger on death?

>> No.57367363

>>57367142
>pay 3 mill 2 cards from each opponent
>doesnt dump eldrazi into the gy by either exiling it or putting it in their hand
The card is busted, and does whst it does in a way that is almost unstoppable. Its not that its worse, its that it was just as foolproof.

>> No.57367383

>>57367142
Infinite mana kills everyone as long as you can cast OOna

>> No.57367398

>>57367383
sounds like an average tasigur list

>> No.57367408

>>57367363
>>57367383
You anons missed my favorite parts of that card, and the whole reason I phrased it that way:
>colourless mana, so it's infintely easier comboing off
>each player draws a card, so I automatically get counterspell backup if the number is high enough

>> No.57367433

>>57367408
tymna+thrasios is like that but already legal and in more colors

>> No.57367438

>>57367101
Why would you play him over Kumena, who
>attacks more effectively
>Is a better card draw engine than Thrasios in a dedicated Merfolk deck
>pumps your entire team

Hell I'd rather play Tishana who can draw a bunch of cards on ETB and gives you no max hand size.

Thrasios is a better overall commander than these two, but he's a worse Merfolk tribal commander than those two.

>> No.57367461

>>57367215
I could see it. Ixalan gives me hope with its funky enchantment lands.

Lifeline and Shirei already exist though and would probably give even more value than that theoretical card

>> No.57367477

So a long time ago, someone showed me a deck that I would best describe as BW wraths tribal, and was just full of every kind of black and white mass removal, and was designed to make the game go on for as long as possible, it ran land destruction as well. I don't remmeber what was in it exactly or where to find the list again, any thoughts on what all would be in such a thing, who would be a good general for it too?

>> No.57367505

>>57367477
you're missing red. play marchesa.

become the monarch, then keep wrathing and blowing up lands while drawing extra cards from being the monarch

>> No.57367539

>>57367461
Mhm, those two are on my list already.

Deck's a lot more fun than I thought it would be, but it's a hell of a lot more grindy. I was hoping for big, swingy turns where I sac everything, drop living death, then do it again for a win, but that's so rare that usually I just use my Zubera triggers to stay alive/clear the board.

>> No.57367816

>>57367505
yeah, red has all of the truly nasty wraths.

>> No.57367852

>>57367816
was that sarcasm?
red has a few really good board wipes and all the MLD

>> No.57367864

What happens if I have Form of the Dinosaur and Form of the Dragon active at the same time

>> No.57367896

>>57367852
MLD that also destroys everything else.

>> No.57367928

>>57367896
did you not want that? seems like the kinda thing you were wanting to do with your deck.

>> No.57367968

>>57367864
You pick a target to hit for 15 for Dinosaur and a target for 5 with Dragon. The one you kill for Dinosaur will deal it's power back to you, should you not die from the exchange, your life becomes 5 at the end of the turn.
Seems real bad because you can't kill a creature with power 5+ with dinosaur and it's not optional.

>> No.57367969

>>57367928
Not me who asked the question, but yeah. It's lookin good.

>> No.57367973

>>57367928
Nah, I'm someone else, I was just further explaining why red board wipes are the best.

>> No.57368003

>>57367864
Your life total becomes 15.
Then it becomes 5 at the end of your turn.
You can't be attacked by creatures without flying.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you get to choose which happens first: Form of the Dragon deals 5 damage to a creature or player, or Form of the Dinosaur deals 13 damage to something and it deals damage equal to its power back to you.
If you survive the turn, your life total becomes 5 again.

You might notice that you have a dangerously low life total from now on, so if your opponents engineer a situation where your only target left for Form of the Dinosaur is a 5 power or higher creature, you'll die.

>> No.57368184

>>57367973
Teferi's Protection -> Decree of Annhiliation oh boy

>> No.57368211

>Thread Question

I'm currently stuck in this fucking limbo where I never actually complete a deck before moving onto another one. I can't stay focused/entertained with an idea before something new hits me and I want to brew and build that instead. It's a shit cycle.

Only good is that I've been just buying edh staples because of it, albeit the cheap ones

>> No.57368243

>>57368211
i was in your shoes until i built neheb

monored is my JAM man

>> No.57368379
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Pulled a Necropotence from an Iconic Masters pack I received as a secret Santa present.

How do I use this in Gitrog Monster? I assume before the end step of the turn before me, I just play like 20-30 life to draw a shit ton of cards and into one of the “infinite” loops, then when I comes to discarding Dakmor Salavge that I Dredge Dakmor Salavage in response to the draw trigger caused by discarding it, which saves the land from Exile, correct? Or do I just need to remove it using enchantment removal before I go into a loop?

>> No.57368437

>>57368379
I don't think gitrog even needs necropotence from how much drawpower he just naturally has.

>> No.57368527

>>57368211

Just remember that even a "finished" deck continues to be a journey where you test out new packages, new cards, and consider new cards from new sets. Or just cards as you pick them up.

Not every idea has to be wildly unique and not every idea has to be fully functional, but there's a sweet spot in there that you'll find and love.

EDH is a journey, not a destination.

>> No.57368534

>>57366879
You go anon, this is what kills edh. You did good.

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>>57364090
BRRYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!

>> No.57368577

>>57368379
You are correct on how to save Dakmor Salvage from Necropotence's exile trigger. You are also correct in that you can just remove it. With older wordings it wasn't so obvious that the exile was a trigger thusly I leaned towards removal so I wouldn't have to argue that I can play around it ...

To land Skirge Familiar you can discard it and then respond to the trigger with Necromancy to drag it out of your grave. Same goes with Noxious Revival for other things you want to save from exile.

>> No.57368610

>>57368379
>when I comes to discarding Dakmor Salavge that I Dredge Dakmor Salavage in response to the draw trigger caused by discarding it, which saves the land from Exile, correct?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that works. Necropotence is a triggered ability unlike e.g. Rest in Peace which is a replacement effect. Necropotence exile and Gitrog draw both trigger simultaneously when you discard a land, so stack the triggers to draw before exile and it should work. It might fuck with some loops though, I dunno I'm no Gitrog expert.

>> No.57368618

>>57368551
fuck i always want to play this guy.
what do you even do once you've destroyed all the lands.

>> No.57368711
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Hey, hey /edhg/,

I love you guys. You're like my family. Thanks for being the best general on this godforsaken shithole.

Love,
Anon.

>> No.57368724

>>57368711
Jokes on you anon, I don't even play EDH and hate the concept of 99 card singleton.

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>>57368711
Thanks happy-non, love you too

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>>57364090
Xth post for Bruna

>> No.57368751
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>>57368711
This place is real great most of the time. I'm happy we make you happy, anon!

>> No.57368886

>>57367438
I can get more colors and effective wincons with thrasios.

>> No.57368899

>>57368618
+ your walkers and use your artifacts

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>>57368751
>>57368730
>>57368724
I want to do something nice for you, friends.

What would you want? I'm not very good at things, but I can try really hard and make something slightly above terrible!

>> No.57368948

>>57365392
You could just grab a bunch of cheapasfuck common eldrazi if you're on a budget. Or Deep Fiends to tap down the whole field, Thought Knots to tear apart hands, Brood Monitors to fill the board, and then just 1-2 Titans to do the shuffle. Sac it all to an altar instead of relying on the Legendary Rule, plus you can swing with Smashers too.

>> No.57368964

>>57368948
Sure, but the point is to win with Battle of Wits.

>> No.57368975

>>57368948
>>57368964
Wait, I'm tired and misread, sorry. But your method does require having an additional piece in a sac outlet.

>> No.57368993

>>57368903
make a "So you want to play commander?" flow chart for people trying to build new decks. Feel free to include memes. up to you really.

>> No.57368998
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57368998

>>57368948
>>57368964
>>57368975
Did no one have the picture ready?

>> No.57369005

>>57368903
Draw a commander in mspaint and have people guess it, ya know for the lulz

>> No.57369056

>>57364927
Eminence was a huge mistake.

>> No.57369069

>>57369005
My art is so bad it killed the last draw thread.

>>57368993
Sure, I can do that. You like 'em overly complicated, or actually useful?

>> No.57369086

>>57369069
You'll be fine here. You can't kill a general, and if you somehow managed to, it would mean freedom for the rest of us.

>> No.57369097

>>57365447
You can just use regular shit eldrazi or changelings, just need a sac outlet like ashnod's or somesuch.

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>>57368948
Or you could just get like 20+ dominator drones and just drain 2 life everyone to death.

If I'm being honest, Spawnsire should just read "20: win the game" because nobody should have to sit through >that guy pulling out a billion eldrazis from a binder and stacking each individual ETB trigger.
>and now for thought knot seer number 10 I'll target player D again

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>>57368998
nice.

>In Mishra colors
Nice.

>> No.57369119

>>57369069
add a bunch of weird obscure tribes and meme decks

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Should I make Toshiro Umezawa spellslinger or 5-color spirits next?

>> No.57369238

Unwarranted question but...
What cards (if any) have your group made unofficial bans for?
>Any legendary with Eminence
>Stranglehold
>Flash
>Blood Moon

>> No.57369242

>>57369108
You can use any of the Changeling Instants, since you'll have Spawnsire or yourself as a target. If they get countered and go to the graveyard, that's just as good as them resolving.

>> No.57369251

>>57368998
>tribal changeling spell
That's fucking clever, best way to do this.

>> No.57369252

>>57369238
>blood moon
what are you, a bunch of cucks

>> No.57369265

>>57369100
If you want a REALLY janky combo, Spawnsire +Conspiracy lets you dump every creature card you own onto the board.

>> No.57369283

>>57369238
>banning anything Red
>ever
#freeWorldfire

>> No.57369291

>>57369238
>the two red cards that shut down big expensive decks

nah

>> No.57369292

>>57369242
Yes, but i'm making Mishra semi-combo deck that focuses on ridiculous stuff that shouldn't work in Commander (Grandeur + ______ shenanigans for example), so this one fits perfectly.

Now i need to buy a fuckton of tribal instants.

>> No.57369316

>>57369265
You might think so, but no.

>400.10c Cards outside the game can’t be affected by spells or abilities, except for characteristic-defining abilities printed on them (see rule 604.3) and spells and abilities that allow those cards to be brought into the game.

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>>57366879
good anon, good

>> No.57369333

>>57369292
I'm mostly saying it because it means you can use Ego Erasure, Wings of Velis Vel, and Nameless Inversion too, in case you have trouble getting the whole stack of Blades.

>> No.57369405

>>57369265
>>57369316
It would be Silver-bordered levels of nonsense otherwise.

>Play Scion of the Ur-Dragon
>Attack, then activate its ability, sending Phage to the graveyard
>"You can't do that, Phage isn't a dragon."
>Pull out your laptop, revealing you were playing a game of Magic Online in the background with Conspiracy naming Dragon
>"It's a creature card I own and it's not on the battlefield"

>> No.57369815

>>57366879
damn near shed a fuckin tear...

>> No.57369850

>>57369238
>blood moon
trash.

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Hit me with some secret Karador tech. Just learned about royal retainers and will enjoy reanimating elesh norn turn 3

>> No.57370372

>>57369892
>royal retainers
I like how the masterpiece version is the same price as the regular. I should get one, orzhov reanimator is my favorite deck.

>> No.57370672

What's a good commander for a RUW deck? Theme is land destruction/Stax/general being a dick.

>> No.57370704

>>57370672
Numot. Run things like Land Tax, Epicenter, Impending Disaster, Ruination, Blood Moon, Aura of Silence, and Jesaki enchantment support. Make them rue the day they ever stepped outside of using Basic lands.

>> No.57370705

>>57370672
Zedruu if you're feeling devilish.
Numot if you're a faggot.
Narset if you're a double faggot.

>> No.57370781

>>57370672
Use Ruhan so they think you're ebin meme random shit. They might leave you alone while you set up.

>> No.57370807

>>57370704
>>57370705
>>57370781
Is it worth using standard Stax cards like Trinisphere and Chalice? I'm going to use Tangle Wire and Smokestack but the rest seem questionable.

>> No.57370897

>Locust God
>A Godzillion draw spells/cantrips
It loses to fucking everything but I have so much fun playing it

>> No.57370953

>>57364090
What do you use to end the game with Patron of the Moon?
I can see the infinite mana and landfall potential but what are the most effective card combos

>> No.57370972

I play mono red. Go ahead and laugh.

>> No.57371042

>>57370897
Really? Shit fucking stomps at my LGS. Exile effects are the only way to slow it down, Elesh Norn too. Agreed though it is hilariously fun. Oops I win.dec

>> No.57371298

>>57370372
Probably because the Amonkhet masterpieces look like garbage.

>> No.57371375

>>57371298
For the most part I agree. Still really like Daze, Thoughtseize and the Bug Gods.

>> No.57371447

>>57368618
Hit people with a 7/4?

>> No.57371461

>>57364927
I've been out of mtg for a while.
Why isn't this card white?

>> No.57371465

>>57369238
None.

We still generally avoid extra turn cards and stuff like Dead-eye Navigator which just leads itself to infinite combos.

>> No.57371479

>>57371461
Black also has lifegain as a theme, but "cast from graveyard" is black/green, not really white at all.

>> No.57371537

>>57371479
>Death Ward, Angelic Renewal, Enduring Renewal, Sigil of the New Dawn

>> No.57371606

>>57371537
None of those are the creature returning itself from the graveyard, also you picked some really shitty examples when there's stuff like Emeria Shepherd and Sun Titan as examples.

I'm talking about cards like Gravecrawler, Dread Wanderer, Haakon, Risen Executioner, Scourge of Nel Toth, Reassembling Skeleton, Bloodsoaked Champion, Nether Traitor etc.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/your-life-ends-30-minutes-from-now/

r8 my jhoira. what i should i take out? the plan is to go supa fast while holding some protection in case my draws go south

>> No.57371661
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Sol Ring should be banned.

Now hear me out on this one. No, it isn't because of how strong it is. It's not that drawing it super early game gives you a pretty large head start.

No, Sol Ring should be banned because it limits creativity. 99.9% of decks run it. Only jank meme shit nobody plays has any reason to not use Sol Ring. Functionally, this means you are building a 98 card deck, rather than a 99 card deck. Because no matter what the fuck you're playing, Sol Ring is ALWAYS an include.
>BUT WHAT ABOUT COMMAND TOWER?!
Mono color decks don't use it, so that's irrelevant. Sol Ring is the only card in the game that goes in EVERY deck, and for that reason it should not be legal.

>> No.57371686

>>57371661
I don't run it in my Animar deck

>> No.57371692

>>57371686
You're retarded then.

>> No.57371717

Is there a list of EDH staples I should invest in?

>> No.57371729

>>57371717
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-of-edh-staples-and-power-cards/

>> No.57371745

>>57371661
It's just an affordable reprinted card that allows everyone to catch up with more expensive outlets for speeding up your curve which is universally desirable in magic
Sol ring is fine, removing it would only put budget players at another disadvantage

>> No.57371756

>>57371661
Even if command tower were run in monocolored decks there's nothing wrong with cards that offer cheap mana IMO. I actually agree with you on sol ring, but the problem with banning it is that it's one of the cheapest fast mana rocks available and if you ban it, then it puts poorfags at a huge disadvantage because that just makes the expensive rocks like mana crypt and vault more desirable.

>> No.57371779

>>57371717
>>57371729
Start with reserved list cards

>> No.57371781

>>57370953
Use an X-draw spell on yourself to draw your deck. If you're uncreative and lame, then drop lab man and draw another card. If you're more willing to go all-in on Patron, you then kick somebody out of the game with Blue Sun's Zenith for a million, draw a card off Soratami Cloudskater, and repeat for each opponent.

You could also take infinite turns with Magosi, Rings of Brighthearth, and Oboro Breezecaller in addition to the usual Patron/Amulet of Vigor plan.

>> No.57371798

>>57371781
That's what i was looking into, was just making sure there wasn't any little fun things I was missing that could occasionally wipe the table.

I'm trying to build a complete rude dude deck, only thing I'm not into is lab man

>> No.57371843

>>57371729
>Updated four months ago
>Has Prophet and Rofellos in it

>> No.57371886

>>57371729
>>57371843
It says it was updated 4 monts ago, but how actually up to date is this thing? It looks like it only goes up to around Theros.

>> No.57371911

Completely random question, Anyone have any experience with ordering the new inked gaming custom binders? Was wondering the quality of the print

>> No.57371933

>>57371843
>>57371886
If you don't like it then make your own. It's the best we have.

>> No.57372016

>>57371933
Just saying it might be worth pointing out that it's not comprehensive anymore.

>> No.57372022

>>57371911
I can't answer about binders, but I've ordered a playmat from them and the print quality was great, plus the thing was durable enough to survive getting stepped on, rained on, having drinks spilled on it several times, soaked underwater multiple times, and left outside for a week and the only damage is some slight warping on the bottom.

>> No.57372027

>>57372022
Oh I know, I have a couple of their mats but I just wasn't sure of their binder prints.

>> No.57372085

>>57371798
I mean, Patron goes ape with almost any moonfolk. You can counter-wall with Soratami Savant, bounce the world with Soratami Mirror-Mage, or lock all lands with Floodbringer without drawing your deck out.

Oh, and do remember Storm Cauldron. Patron-Amulet-Moonfolk merely goes big unless you're replaying a >1 Mana Land, you want Cauldron to go infinite.

>> No.57372086

>>57372016
Many of the cards on it are still valid. Just because it's a little outdated doesn't mean we should completely write it off when we have NO other substitute.

>> No.57372124

>>57372086
There's a difference between "writing it off" and saying "It's a bit outdated but here you go".

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>>57364090
>What's the weirdest, most out-of-the-box deck you play?
we literally just had this question 3 or 4 threads ago get a clue anon
that being said
i built her
I actually have hella fun playing her against new players

>> No.57372168

>>57365392
>EDH has no sideboards, you need a new playgroup because clearly they hate fun.
oh boy i sure do love people siding in specific hate for my decks
nothing more fun than slogging through 15 different graveyard hate pieces when trying to play reanimator
15 pieces they couldnt possibly mainboard if they dint know who the opponent would be

>> No.57372173

>>57365392
Kill yourself

>> No.57372184

>have a decent playgroup
>one of the members is a "i have no idea whats going on" tier girl
>goes 3-0 last night
holy fuck that was totally unexpected, watch out guys the atraxa precon +50 dollars and spirit tribal is going to make a huge splash in the competitive scene

>> No.57372252

>>57364090
>most out-of-the-box deck you play?
prossh precon

>> No.57372253

>>57372085
I read somewhere that storm cauldron might be detrimental to run in it because you don't necessarily need it.

Any experience on that?

>> No.57372281

>>57365392
>200 Kozileks
>after the shuffle, you have 800 draws worth of cast triggers
GG retard. Maybe your playgroup is sick of your retardation.

>> No.57372309

>>57372184
Atraxa came out forever ago. Are you from the past?

>> No.57372335

>>57372309
i was being facetious
neither of those decks usually play well and the pilot is usually out to lunch mentally
it was really impressive to see the wins

>> No.57372527

>>57372335
I have atraxa but she just kind of sucks out of the box. Not sure what i should do with her but i figured a new phyrexia theme would be interesting.

>> No.57372553

>>57365447
>there are people hoarding hundreds upon hundreds of original roe mythic eldrazi just for this meme

>> No.57372724

>>57372253
Not that guy but

Nope. You definitely want Storm Cauldron. I have played Patron for almost 3 years and it is your most reliable wincon - blue has a bunch of good artifact tutors but is shit a tutoring stuff like Meloku or palinchron. Even without infinite mana, cauldron fucks with everyone else pretty hard.

Here's how I win most of my games (top 5)
>Storm Cauldron + amulet combo
>6 Mana + Sunder
>13 mana + sunder + cyc rift
>Moonfolk + mana doubler + amulet combo
>Flooded Shoreline + mana doubler + amulet combo

Other than that you can win with Moonfolk value/control or some ridiculously mana intensive Sunder loops, but usually you find a combo before that

>> No.57372775

>>57372553
Any playgroup casual enough to allow this should also be casual enough to allow proxies

>> No.57372866

>>57372724
Appreciate this, these are the win conditions I currently planned for minus storm cauldron but I'll definitely look for one now

I'm really just after any extra brutal mess I might be overlooking

>> No.57373035

>>57372866
I disagree with the other guy on one thing though - I kinda think Moonfolk are a trap. I only play 4 - Soratami Savant, Soratami Seer, Meloku, and Uyo. The other ones just don't have powerful enough effects for me, and there are enough wincons with only those 4.

I believe you're better off stocking up on counterspells + artifact tutors - my best way of actually winning after infinite mana is Walking Ballista bc I have 3 cards that tutor for it.

>> No.57373050

>>57371042
My playgroup runs 4 trillion boardwipes including return to hand and targeted exile

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>I use infinite combos in my deck

>> No.57373069

>>57373035
I had completely overlooked him, you're right the mana output is too insane not to ballista

>> No.57373070

>>57372724
>>Storm Cauldron + amulet combo
????????

>> No.57373079

>>57373054
>>I use infinite combos in my deck
>tfw craterhoof sometimes isnt going to happen
time to blasting station you all to death

>> No.57373083

>>57373070
>tap 2 lands, SC returns them to hand
>Pay 1 for Patron ability
>Amulet untaps them
>Repeat
>Infinite mana

>> No.57373091

>>57373070
Storm cauldron returns any land tapped for mana to hand. Patron may spend 1 to put 2 lands from hand to play tapped.
Amulet makes any perma etb tapped enter untapped.

Run the numbers.

>> No.57373110

>>57373083
>>57373091
idk why i thought patron was Meloku the Clouded Mirror

>> No.57373219

>>57371661
You know that one of the largest parts of it's ubiquity is it's price right? Crypt is a better card and would be in more decks if it was printed in every precon too. Same goes for lots of cards like Mana drain and more.

When you start using EDHREC stats you don't get to see what people would be playing if it wasn't for price, and you see stuff like counterspell being more popular than mana drain despite it's price.

So the question is, if Sol ring wasn't reprinted would you still want to ban it? Before the first commander decks were printed it was over $10 and pushing $15. By now it would be a $50 card at least without the reprint, and it would see as much play as mana crypt, who hit that price shortly after the EMA dip.

>> No.57373252

>>57373219
>Crypt is a better card and would be in more decks if it was printed in every precon too.
I can easily afford Crypt and do not want or need it in my decks. It would definitely get used more, but the card DOES have a drawback.
>Same goes for lots of cards like Mana drain and more.
It has a color, irrelevant.
>So the question is, if Sol ring wasn't reprinted would you still want to ban it?
Yes.

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>>57373252
>I can easily afford Crypt and do not want or need it in my decks. It would definitely get used more, but the card DOES have a drawback.
Are you pretending to be retarded? It's objectively the best card in the format, particularly if you're running anything that can tutor it, or colours that lack ramp.

>> No.57373341

>>57371661
I personally see nothing wrong with every deck being 98 cards + Sol Ring. Is it really limiting creativity when it's only one slot out of your entire 99? Hardly at all. It's just fuel to get things going. Every deck should have some amount of ramp, and Sol Ring is easy and affordable for every deck to run. There should be a standard ramp card for everyone to have access to. Most of the people who object to Sol Ring are spoiled by the ramp afforded to them either by green or by more expensive artifacts. Meanwhile colors with more problems with ramping, like W or R, get shit on by G unless they can shore up the difference with artifacts.

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>>57369238
>Stranglehold
Why?

>> No.57373382

>>57373305
games with crypt on turn one are really not that fun especially if you dont play very often

>> No.57373398

>>57373305
Not every deck is willing to give up 1.5 life per turn for the rest of the game just to get 2 colorless mana. If you're playing some fucking competitive maximum speed OTK infinite combo Spike shit, sure. But casual decks on the large do not want or need Crypt.

>> No.57373403

>>57373382
>games with crypt on turn one are really not that fun especially if you dont play very often
Are you the fun police? Some of the best games I've ever had started out with a t1 sol ring or crypt, even if it wasn't me who did it. 1v1 I understand it pissing you off if you haven't built a good deck, but in a multiplayer game, that player almost always loses because it draws too much aggro.

>> No.57373419

>>57369238
we took sol rings and crypts out
vaults, legal moxen and lotus petals are still legal it changed the format for the better desu the explosive start you get from crypt or sol ring is just asinine and you pretty much just have to hope the guy doesnt have a decent hand otherwise its like being a turn or two ahead the whole game

>> No.57373443

>>57366879
>>57367052
Fuckin nice

>> No.57373467

>>57373398
>my deck is bad, and I don't really understand the card in the first place, so I don't need to run it even though it's obviously amazing
Let me break down a few things for you. It will always be removed. People will jump through elaborate hoops to remove it because everyone understands how strong it is.

While combo decks may use it, they're not who really wants it. Stax players want it because it's free. You can toss it down during your stax lock and create incremental advantage without paying mana. To be completely honest, Ashnods is way more likely to be in a "otk" deck than mana crypt.

And yes, I understand casual decks dont NEED crypt, but if they had it they would run it. If mana crypt was a dollar, every single deck would have it. Don't be stupid anon.

>> No.57373526

>>57373403
>if you haven't built a good deck
>build decent deck
>some idiot lucks into sol ring into signet
>games over by turn 7
wow so fun

>> No.57373551

>>57366785
Time Spiral Block. The gift that keeps on giving.

>> No.57373619
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>>57366879
For greatest justice.

Was Oona's effect combined with your shitoads of mana of all things too much for the spergs to handle?

>> No.57373624

>>57373526
Unless, you know, you remove it or the entire table turns on them. One or both of these things will inevitably happen if you're table isn't full of retards with poor threat assessment. Turn 1 Sol Ring into anything makes you archenemy 90% of the time.

>> No.57373655

>>57373526
>games over by turn 7
You're cute anon. Turn 7 is a pretty long game in real metas. This is how it actually works.

>Some idiot lucks into a sol ring/signet t1
>they may or may not have kept a risky hand because of the explosive start
>the entire table stops what they're doing to fuck over his day
>3 players whale on him over the course of 6 additional turns
>that player has now lost the game because they still need to win the game after an explosive start

Alternatively:
>some idiot lucks into a sol ring/signet
>immediately tutors their wincon
>the game is done by t4-t5, everyone has a laugh, and starts over again

>> No.57373659

>>57373624
>One or both of these things will inevitably happen if you're table isn't full of retards with poor threat assessment
My table is almost entirely casual newbies. (Not the guy you're talking to.)

>> No.57373672

>>57366785
I would grab Time Spiral and Kamigawa personally. Both offer lots of great cards and commanders. I'd also grab OG Ravnica for all of the great color fixing and commanders.

I'd axe Theros, Amonkhet, Return to Zendikar, and OG Mirrodin.

>> No.57373687
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>>57368711
May you always catch us on a good day.

Not when we're arguing about spite scooping or Selesnya being for sissies or how much this thread generally hates tribal and/or eminence...

>> No.57373689

>>57373659
It's time for someone to teach them, and it looks like it will have to be you.

>> No.57373756

>>57373655
>>some idiot lucks into a sol ring/signet
>>immediately tutors their wincon
>>the game is done by t4-t5, everyone has a laugh, and starts over again
this is why I hate those fucking rocks, theres literally no upside funwise and every once in a while you get this

>> No.57373761

>>57373655
>everyone has a laugh
I have never seen anyone laughing while playing solitaire, especially if you are just watching other people play solitaire.

>> No.57373770

>>57369238
>Any legendary with Eminence
Arahbo and Ur-Dragon did nothing wrong

>> No.57373784

>>57373689
I tried. I won games consistently. Like 9 in a row. I expected an arms race to happen, or them to express SOME interest in how to stop me.

Know what happened? They basically threatened to all stop playing if I didn't play a different deck. I ended up having to sell my entire deck to keep the group together. They are maximum casual.

I love casual games don't get me wrong, but the spirit of competition here is fucking dead and buried.

>> No.57373798

>>57373756
And then you can go to the next game quickly. It's almost like the fast game never happened.

>> No.57373814

>>57373756
It's statistically irrelevant. Sure, it happens, but you're implying two specific cards are in their opening hand AND they have a way to enable their wincon AND AND they aren't getting mana screwed by keeping a risky hand AND AND AND no one has a way to remove it. Yes it happens, no it doesn't happen very often for anyone to actually care about.

>>57373761
You're describing Storm, and storm isn't necessarily fast, and probably isn't something you're doing t3 unless you're more lucky than the previous poster. In fact, there's a $10k kess storm brew with abur duals in my meta that's hilarious at how inconsistent it is. Sure, he'll try to storm off, but if you let him, there's a 50/50 chance he's going to fizzle his attempt and immediately scoop. And that's a fully optimized cEDH deck.

Consistent decks you really need to worry about are stax decks. My stax/ramp deck is painfully consistent. My friend's stax deck has helm/rest in peace as a wincon, so it's even more consistent. But those decks rarely combo off quickly, and an explosive start is almost bad because it draws too much heat from lesser players, unless you have a lock piece in hand to shut out the table.

>> No.57373819

>>57373784
Do they run any answers or at least gun for the player in the lead? Or do they just continue durdling as if nothing is happening around them? If the latter, then they're too busying playing with themselves to think about the game as a whole. If the former, they need to be told what kinds of things to include in their decks so that they don't get ground into a fine pulp.

>> No.57373823

>>57369238
We don't explicitly ban anything, but we try to not build decks that wouldn't be fun, like MLD.dek, infinite turns, or Eminence.

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>>57373756
>mfw pulling off a T4 win without any tutors or fast mana

Pure dumb luck but still the fastest win I've ever had.

>> No.57373833

>>57373819
>they just continue durdling as if nothing is happening around them
This one. And god forbid you attack someone or blow up their shit. They get extremely offended and will carry that hate into future games.

>> No.57373964

>>57373833
These players are the best, making other people fuck them over and watching the turmoil is the best win condition

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nothing beats monoblack stax

>> No.57374032

>>57373814
>It's statistically irrelevant.
>4 players
>each have sol ring and crypt
>draw 7
>option to draw another 7
>draw at the beginning of your first turn
each player has about a 15% chance of getting one of these rocks in the opening hand its not insignificant at all

>> No.57374044

>>57374018
why shirei and not yahenni

>> No.57374050

>>57374032
>completely ignoring the rest of the post
It's okay anon, your argument just sucks. Try again next time.

>> No.57374053

>>57373814
>describing storm
If your main game plan is getting a specific set of cards, you are playing solitaire, and guess what, a lot of competitive edh decks are like that, because the only fast way to win a game against 3 other players with 40 life each is through combo.

Other than that is what you said, stax, the unfun ultimatum, where no one plays mtg. If there are more than 1 guy playing stax, you might as well scoop and go to another table where people are willing to play mtg.

In the end, I can't find a scenario where people will just laugh with joy and begin a new game.

>> No.57374054

>>57371652
>MLD
generic/10

>> No.57374077

>>57364915
>neheb (formerly ashling, formerly hidetsugu
My nigga. Have an Ashling list?

>> No.57374080

>>57374050
the majority of hands with sol ring/ crypt in them are going to be keepable not to mention there are 4 people at once and all it takes is a keepable hand with either of those cards to pretty much say "oh its going to be one of those games"

>> No.57374090

>>57372022
Why did you torture your playmat, anon?

>> No.57374093

>>57371661
I dont run it in mizzix, i dont need colorless mana nigga

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>>57373833
You know what you must do. They may not like having to attack, but fuck they are going to attack someone.

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>>57374044

it triggers on everyone's end phase, so you can have mindlash sliver on everyone's draw, or have mindless automaton draw you cards every turn, also you can set the smokestack to the number of creatures you have an never be down card advantage

>> No.57374133

>>57374077
Ashling + 99 mountains

>> No.57374149

>>57373655
>>the game is done by t4-t5, everyone has a laugh, and starts over again
Yeah haha that was some time well spent lol I really like shuffling rofl xD

>> No.57374186

>>57374080
He talks about competitive but doesn't know shit about it. He thinks that you can only have an explosive hand with both mana crypt and sol ring, and that getting what you want is hard when you have like a dozen of ways to get the cards you want.

Without to mention that he thinks that stopping 3 other players is easy. In competitive games you are more worried about advancing your game than stopping others. You only carry enough removal to remove what your opponent has that can stop you.

>> No.57374234

>>57374080
You're STILL ignoring the rest of the post.

>>57374053
You don't understand what you're talking about, probably because you don't play in a competitive meta. Tutoring specific cards isn't solitaire, it's finding a wincon reasonably fast to end the game. Storm is literally playing solitare, you hit ad naus, draw a billion cards, and see if you can LED/Lotus Petal into a bunch of wheels, or refill your hand, then eventually hope you hit tendrils/mind's desire with enough mana to combo out, and that shit takes like 10 minutes because they need to play it out. Slapping out kiki-conscripts is fine. Would you get mad at a maelstrom wanderer deck with 97 lands and kiki-pestermite? If the answer is yes, you're more upset at the idea of combo than the concept you're describing.

Stax is actually incredibly fun to play against. The problem is when people set up a hard lock, then some faggot insists everyone play everything out, but the stax guy doesn't have a reliable wincon. If he tutors a reliable wincon, the staxlock is fine, the game is over quickly, and no one really cares. If his wincon is chip damage for a billion turns, like the game I lost against Zur due to commander damage, then you have a reasonable point. Stax isn't some mythical anti-fun thing, it's playing with symmetrical disadvantages against a deck designed to beat them. If the stax player can't break the lock, they aren't very good and have misplayed in the first place, which means someone else is going to win.

You need to stop taking magic so seriously, considering how bad you are at it.

>> No.57374288

>>57374186
Alright anon, put your money where your mouth is, because you don't know what you're talking about. In a real competitive game, everyone has removal. Everyone. If you aren't comboing off with counterspell back-up, you aren't comboing off at all.

Here's my list, post yours.
>https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bloodfist-brainsplatter/

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>>57374288
>You can only combo if you're playing blue

>> No.57374312

>>57374303
Check and mate. You can combo off in other colours, there's no way in hell you're doing it in a competitive meta without blue in your deck.

Go back to your kiddie pool meta.

>> No.57374359

>>57374312
Naw though.
Not him but there is plenty of nonblue shit you can do to protect combos, like veil of autumn, silence, and REB

>> No.57374461

>>57374359
>REB
Alright, I don't know that acronym.

Silence is top tier, I'll give you that, but you can counter silence if you're slick about it. You need to have the game in hand, and be able to win outright, while also having it in your hand, but it's good if your setup is there. I personally run one in my ghave deck.

Veil of Autumn is alright, but the protection is what makes it good. By preventing blue and black from targeting any of your spells, you're in pretty good shape, but there are a lot of artifacts that can stuff fuck up your day. Summary Dismissal still hits everything, as does cyclonic rift/nevrinyal's disk, but it's a pretty good card I'm going to consider running.

I'm surprised you didn't say Null Brooch. I used to just hold priority, activate null brooch when I'm out of gas, and laugh my way to the bank.

>> No.57374502

>>57374461
Red Elemental Blast

>> No.57374629

>>57374234
Solitaire =/= long plays
Solitaire means playing by yourself, storm decks are known for that, because they just take long ass turns where they just play by themselves and everyone just has to watch. But a lot of combo decks don't interact with other players, they just tutor what they need and try to combo off from there.

>Would you get mad at a maelstrom with 97 lands
I would be mad if my friend thought that a deck like that would be fun to play, either with or against. If he didn't want to play mtg, we could have said it instead. The problem isn't combo, it's playing a game where either you combo or scoop.

>stax is not unfun
The core of stax is literally removing everything people have in play, until either you win by playing small cards, or lock your opponent's out and play a finisher.

>> No.57374714

>>57374288
>counters are removals
You can't be this dumb.

>> No.57374879

>>57374461
Null brooch and summary dismissal are too mana intensive for most competitive decks I have seen, I was just throwing out a bunch of really cheap answers, if start going expensive mana answers you can say shit like Lapse of certainty and more.

Also if someone counterspells your silence you are in a far better spot than if someone counterspells your own counter. Since then you still have the cards in hand that they would like to counter, and you know they have another counter in hand (or they tapped out and your free to go off barring force/pact)

Also there are a handful of silence clones now.

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>>57368711
>>57368903
:)
have a nice pupp

>> No.57374993

>>57374312
>in a competitive meta without blue in your deck
>first place cEDH deck of 2017 is gitwrecked frog
>what is mono green selvala

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>>57374312
>I have never played against black Sidisi, Yisan or Selvala

>> No.57375089

>>57370972
Ha ha

>> No.57375117

>>57374080
>Mana tithe's your sol ring in mono W
Nothing personnel kid

>> No.57375118

>>57370972
I can't laugh, I had 4 mono-red decks at one point

>> No.57375126

>>57374993
>>57375062
Ssh, just let him think he's top dog. He might leave to masturbate to his own reflection instead of shitting up this thread with more whining.

>> No.57375146

>>57375126
good point

>> No.57375256

What is it about blue and green that makes people champion them?
I've never seen anyone defend whites ability as a colour as much as I've seen someone defend/champion blue or green.

I get it, blue is the "thinking man" colour, and we're all very impressed that you can do the same things as every other colour with more utility.
Green just has ramp, and since 90%
of magic is about tapping for mana to cast spells, it's gonna have a lot of followers

>> No.57375286

Stupid question incoming...

Are there any creatures that have an enrage like effect that obviously came out before Ixalan? If so, (another retard question) how would I go about searching for them on gatherer?

>> No.57375293

>>57375256
Blue:
>Best draw in the game
>Only real counter spells in the game
>Only real mill in the game
>Only real bounce in the game
Green:
>FAR AND AWAY the best ramp in the game
>Incredibly powerful creatures and swarm ability
They are easily the two strongest colors in the game, especially when partnered. And I fucking hate them.

>> No.57375297

>>57375256
UG as a combo can deal with pretty much any problem. It's incredibly strong. White is a good support color, but doesn't have much going for it on its own.

I don't like UGx but I get why people do. Because they're boring

>> No.57375334

>>57375293
>>FAR AND AWAY the best ramp in the game
rocks are faster and more efficient than green ramp
only way green wins out is if you are playing nevs disk, o-stone, child of alara or playing against vandalblast

>> No.57375341

>>57375293
>>57375297

I get that completely, white was more of an example too.

What I don't understand is why people catagorise themselves as "blue player" and "green player" and then champion those colour like it's a political belief.

Someone in my group genuinely thinks he's better than us due to his favourite colour being blue.

>> No.57375386

>>57375341
Because people with fragile egos will always gravitate towards what's best on paper. They have an inferiority complex and this are the quickest to be up in arms when threatened. Not to say everyone who like Simic colors is like this, but the people who are flock to it.

>>57375334
>rocks are faster and more efficient than green ramp
>Easily destroyed rocks are better than digging multiple lands out of your deck and into play at once
Good joke.

>> No.57375390

>>57375341
Because they have no personality of their own

>> No.57375399
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From 1 to 10 how spicy is this card? My plan is just to fuck some tryhard with their fetchland on turn 2

>> No.57375419

>>57375341
>Someone in my group genuinely thinks he's better than us due to his favourite colour being blue.

he's just a fedora lord, my fav colour is blue, and I can't stop putting blue in my decks, but that's a limit more than anything

>> No.57375438

>>57375399
It's so spicy I might have to reanimate Eternal Witness every turn with a sacc outlet to NEVER let them crack that fetchland.

>> No.57375460

>>57375334
Correction, only way artifacts win out is if you're playing against stax/MLD or if you're planning on winning the game on turn 1-5.

>> No.57375470

>>57375386
>multiple lands out of your deck and into play at once
costs at minimum 3 mana to do that and thats with far wanderings + threshold
normally you are paying 4-5 mana for that effect
0/10 would not buy

>> No.57375487

>>57375438
You sacrifice as a cost, so you only need to counter once.

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>>57375399
You can run 2 in UG

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>>57375470
>He plays signets

>> No.57375571

>>57375523

>Used to run every signet in a ceomat deck
>Bludgeon Brawl was released
>Murdered a few people with a mana rocked strapped Cromat

They are useful at times.

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>>57375523
yeah i do cum at me bro!

>> No.57375617

>>57375574
>yeah i do cum in me bro!
FTFY

>> No.57375638
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Thoughts on this guy? Seems good in brago flyingmen but outside of that?

>> No.57375691

Roon, obviously.

>> No.57375694

>>57375638
its a mulldrifter that doesnt give you the option to become divination
also requires you to be in two colors
bad/10

>> No.57375752

>>57375638
Reminds me I still have Roon and the GW pieces after dismantling Samut.
Should I build Roon, is he fun?

>> No.57375769

>>57375694
>A second mulldrifter in Roon/Brago
>Bad

Nigga you dumb

>> No.57375852

>>57373814
How do you build a stax deck? The closest thing i have is meren but i dont think that really counts.

>> No.57375861

>>57375769
>outside of a flicker deck

>> No.57375911

>>57375769
Pretty much sums up most people who play mtg on here.

>> No.57375926

>>57375694
I have a hard time comparing this to mulldrifter eventhough its the obvious comparison. Mulldrifter is on a tier of its own. I really want to like this card so i guess im shoving it into decks so try it out

>> No.57376035

>>57375926
unless you are triggering something off of the lifegain its the same card without evoke
and in non-flicker decks ive cut mulldrifter almost entirely except from my crosis deck cause its just filled with cards i personally like

>> No.57376119

>>57375852
Not him, but it really depends on what kind of stax you want to build. You can build a sac, tap and tax deck, a discard stax deck, an wrath/mld stax , hatebears stax, etc.
It's important that you take advantage from destroying everything, recursion is one of the best ways to do that, this is why Meren works well as a stax commander.

If you are just using Meren with pact effects, it's more of a boardwipe deck than stax, this might be why you think that isn't really a stax deck, but you can turn it into a full-fledged stax deck by adding stax cards and more cards focused on recursion.

>> No.57376262

>>57372168
Wishboard =/= sideboard

>> No.57376288

>>57376262
Wrong. Wish cards can only pull from a sideboard now. And since EDH has no sideboard, wish cards do not work.

>> No.57376307

>>57376262
at that point why not just treat wish cards RAW

>> No.57376348

>>57375523
what's wrong with signets? i run one in my deck (only have one deck)

>> No.57376373

>>57376348
Some see it as a crutch cause they are elitists that want to run borderposts instead

>> No.57376394

>>57376348
>Easily nuked
>Poor ramp ability
They aren't worth the deckslot.

>> No.57376395

>>57375286
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[Whenever]+[is]+[dealt]+[damage]

>> No.57376426

>>57375523
I like Orzhov Signet in Alesha. Especially when I have a Winter Orb out.

>> No.57376452

>>57376394
>>Poor ramp ability
>strictly faster than rampant growth
shiggy

>> No.57376468

>>57376394
>Easily nuked
soo all you run is darksteel ingot?

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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/rivals-ixalan-oracle-changes-2018-01-11

>Regal Behemoth (Lizard to Dinosaur)

OUR PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED

>> No.57376484

>>57376470
FUCK YEAS!

>> No.57376511

>>57376452
No it's shaggy. See:
>>57375523

>>57376468
Ingot, Commander's Sphere, Wayfarer's Bauble, Sad Robot, Burnished Hart, etc... Also rocks that give you more pay off, such as Thran Dynamo, are worth the slot so long as they are on curve. I would never touch a signet though.

>> No.57376526

>>57376511
>Ingot, Commander's Sphere, Wayfarer's Bauble, Sad Robot, Burnished Hart, etc... Also rocks that give you more pay off, such as Thran Dynamo, are worth the slot so long as they are on curve. I would never touch a signet though.
so this is the power of crawwurm meta

>> No.57376540

>>57376470
I always believed.

>> No.57376550
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>>57376288
EDH is a casual format (unless of course, you're playing cEDH or a sanctioned tourny for god only knows why). In casual play, outside the game is any card you own from outside the game.
So sure, there aren't any wishboards, but all these Battle of Wits + Spawnsire guys can still do their thing.

>> No.57376551

>>57376470
>lizard losing all its tribal pieces
Its not fair!

>> No.57376569

>>57376550
No, EDH has a rule specifically saying wish cards can't grab anything your playgroup hasn't agreed to. So you need prior agreement from your group to allow Battle of Wits shenanigans.

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>>57376569
>>57376550

>> No.57376703

>>57376569
>>57376605
Why would you ever play with people who wouldn't let you play Spawnsire for the sole purpose of winning off of Battle of Wits though? Like, if someone's gone through all the effort to get Spawnsire and Battle of Wits onto the field, then gotten to 20 mana, and still had enough resources to fight through disruption and win with Battle of Wits, y'know what? I'd give it to them. EDH is all about pulling off stupid janky BS like that.

>> No.57376733

>>57376703
>Why would you ever play with people who wouldn't let you play Spawnsire for the sole purpose of winning off of Battle of Wits though?
because i like to follow the rules and wishes are dumb
veto'd

>> No.57376803

>>57376550
Except there's a literal RULE AGAINST IT you stupid pavement ape.
>>57376703
Because it's a RULE. Jesus Christ you are dense.

>> No.57376859

>>57376703
>Lol it's a casual fun format!
>That means the rules are subjective!
>Gonna go ahead and draw 3 cards in my draw step because it's a casual game, haha!
>Oh hey guys I'm gonna take an extra turn real quick, I missed that one up but it's okay because it's a casual format! xD
This is what you sound like.

>> No.57376876

>>57376803
>Players often play with house rules, and are encouraged to
They're not set in stone. This is the pro wrestling, beer-and-pretzels Magic format, let people have some goofy fun, anon.

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>>57376470
Regal Behemoth is basically the one and only non-Ixalan Dino worth running. Hell if I know what to take out for it though...

>> No.57376893

>most experienced guy building up
>everyone else aggressing randomly
>experienced guy ramping into twice the largest mana base
>im pointing it out, get aggressed instead
>experienced guy drops a no max hand size source and literally draws half his deck
>i have to paint out how having half your deck in your hand with a huge mana base is not a threat the table should shrug off
>experienced guy flat out tells them that they shouldnt target him even if he's going to win anyways
>still aggresses table wide
>im sitting with a low power deck cause its a relatively new edh player across from me situation
How do i avoid these situations? I dont want to be the guy to target a single person in a group but holy shit, you dont just shrug away having half your deck in your hand

>> No.57376895

>>57376733
Y'see, you're exactly the kind of person I'm talking about. I wouldn't play with you. Nobody I know would play with you.
>>57376803
>>57376859
>Because it's a RULE.
And the rule states that if everyone is cool with it, it's fine. And if your group isn't cool with someone doing some big stupid thing like pulling 200 Eldrazi out of their collection to win with Battle of Wits, your playgroup probably wasn't worth playing with in the first place.
>>57376876
Holy fucking shit, this. The rest of you sound like a bunch of uptight cunts.

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>>57376876
>>57376895
>Just let people have fun!
This desu. I'm sick of getting shit for using Grusilda as a commander when I use no other silver cards.

>> No.57376955

>>57376803
>>57376859
>wishes were an old mistake
>r&d realised it and ruled them out
>but they keep fucking printing them
>the last one is in the most recent fucking set
>we can't use the cards these shitters invent and sell for money
Do you realise how retarded that sounds? It may blow your mind, but banlist is also a part of gentleman's agreement and completely subjective

>> No.57376958

>>57376895
>Y'see, you're exactly the kind of person I'm talking about. I wouldn't play with you. Nobody I know would play with you.
see thats where you are wrong everyone plays with me because we follow the rules set out for the format.
>hey let me bring me le meme deck XD
kill yourself

>> No.57376959

>>57376923
Grusilda is fucking bananas. The amount of shit you can combine for neato combos is staggering

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>>57376958
>actually bootlicking the RC

>> No.57376978

>>57376973
>not realizing the benefit of having a unified set of rules

>> No.57377034

>>57376783
>>57376783
>>57376783
Some chucklefuck made a new thread but didn't link it here

>> No.57377036

>>57376959
Sure is, but I made it a point to keep things reasonably tame.

>> No.57377057

>>57376859
>That means the rules are subjective!
In his defense, this rule is explicitly subjective.

>> No.57377076

>>57376883
Magmasaur is alright. It plays with Enrage.

>> No.57377185

>>57373687
And How!
none of those things are bad

>> No.57377334

>>57366115
you could also go Feldon reanimator/control, though it's admittedly weak to gy hate.

>> No.57377744

>>57376511
Oh, so you're in battlecruiser meta. Why didn't you say so?

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>>57375495
But blue already has ay least two strictly better ones

>> No.57378047

>>57372149
What do you even do with her?

>> No.57378190

>>57369238
None because we aren't shitters.

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>>57377784
>>strictly better
>>doesn't cantrip

You're the retard that kept saying that last thread, aren't you?

>> No.57378522

>>57378466
I think that countering triggers is way more important

>> No.57379797

>>57373371

I bet so the Yisan/Sisay dude can play his solitaire deck...

>> No.57380292

I want to play an artifact deck in Jeskai colors. Is Narset the best choice? People focusing me first due to commander reputation notwithstanding?

>> No.57380809

>>57380292
Depending on artifacts. I heard that Shu Yun eggs is pretty popular.
I would run Numot, because that's the only respectable choice. People might be cautious about it destroying lands, but hell, it's 6 mana and on swing 3 more to kill 2 lands.
People are more scared of the ability ans they don't pay attention to the costs or drawbacks, like with Memnarch being literal Hitler.

>> No.57380929

>>57365918
Run Goblin Game

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