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So I've started DMing and I've realised that I haven't read a decent fantasy book in quite some time, so I'm hoping you guys can give some recommendations on stuff to read.

>> No.57314733

A few of those are not necessarily good but I enjoyed them.

Left hand of god series by Paul Hoffman (prime example of a crapsack world).

The Kingkiller chronicles by Patrick Rothfuss.

The black tower series by Stephen King

The battle of the apocalypse by Eduardo Spohr.

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riftwar saga by raymond e feist

old kingdom by garth nix

the secret teachings of all ages by manly p hall

>> No.57315424

The Chronicles of Rapina

>> No.57315468
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The Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson.

>> No.57315490

Have you read all the classics and go-to recommendations anon? What did/didn't you like?
Without a reference point though I'd say check out some Jack Vance and Fritz Leiber. Really cool, fun old-school stuff.

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>The Kingkiller chronicles by Patrick Rothfuss.

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Last good fantasy series I read was the First Law Trilogy and its subsequent spin offs. I feel they're pretty underrated.

Black Company is good too.

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/lit/ can be of some assistance here.

>> No.57315589

The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan

>> No.57315652

The Inheritance series.

>> No.57316034

The Lone Wolf game-books by the late Joe Dever. The author has graciously allowed fans to freely host his work at https://www.projectaon.org/

>> No.57316103

Yeah Abercrombie's books are good and keep getting better generally. A bit loledgy at times but I enjoy them.

>> No.57316128

a thread like this is never a bad place to recommend going back to basics: Appendix N
Its a lot of solid choices

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This is a very different (and wonderfully written) take on a fantasy world. It’s just all around very well written, do not under any circumstance mistake the existence of level up mechanics as a crutch, this is a full on fantasy setting. Trends get bucked the instant a giant ant and dragon man are the first locals to show up.Also the main character is distinctly unique from pretty much anything else in fantasy ever for her brand pacifistic and general niceness.

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>The Kingkiller chronicles by Patrick Rothfuss.

>> No.57316685

The Dark Elf Trilogy. It's actually pretty good.

>> No.57316793

>Raymond Feist
My man

>> No.57316824

The waterborn

>> No.57316877

What's wrong with the Kingkiller chronicles? I was about to pick it up.

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>Some good fantasy books?
Outside of the few obvious rare authors: Tolkien, Lewis, Rigney (e.g. Jordan), Howard, arguably Miéville, they are mostly garbage. If you want to make good fantasy, DON'T READ FANTASY.
Read something more substantial.

To stimulate your imagination, read something like Borges (any short stories), Calvino (Invisible Cities), Cortazar (Famas i Cronopos), Schulz (Crocodile Street, Senatorium under the Sign of Hourglass), Kafka (I recommend shorter stories like those in Country Doctor the most), Bulghakov (Master and Margarita) or Pavić (Chazarian Dictionary).

To get inspired for good plots and characters, read Dostojevsky, Eco or Fowles.

To get inspired for mythologies, open Thousand and One Nights, or grab yourself books of folklore, old Fairytales, ancient Saga's: something actually at least a little genuine and coming from era where fantastic motifs were still lived in.

For more theoretical approach to narrativity, especially heroic and mythological, go and grab yourself Campbell's Hero of Thousand Masks, Eliade's Myth of Eternal Return.
For inspiration on magic, browse Frazer's Golden Bought.

You'll see that
A) they are much more fun and interesting than you'd expect them to be, and find yourself also just more enriched by reading any of these authors, and
B) you'll find yourself actually inspired to create meaningful concepts, rather than emulating dull, over-repeated tropes over and over again.

Fantasy is a beautiful thing if it's not inspired by other fantasy.

>> No.57316948

>extreme marysue protagonist who's good at everything except when he fails so he can succeed
>fedora levels of m'ladyism
>uninteresting story about paying student loans
>purple prose out the ass
>its all good tho because its kvothe who's telling the story unreliable narrator hue hue

>> No.57317047

>Sanderson — The Stormlight Archive

It's got a weaker plot than Mistborn, but much better world-building. Very idea-minable in that it'll expose you to modern fantasy that is a bit to the side of generic.

>Aldiss — Helliconia

It's technically a sci-fi book, but narrative texture-wise it's very much a conceptual fantasy thing. Pretty good if you wanna read source material for something like social/setting exploration campaign.

>Cromwell — The Last Kingdom

If you wanna run a low fantasy game about mortal men doing heroic things using their brains, bravery and cunning, not overpowered shit from the equipment table, read this.

>Kay — The Last Light of the Sun

Very poetic. Plot and characters aside, it gives a feeling of fantasy post-apocalypse. It's a subtle portrayal of times lost between other, better times. As a reader you certainly know this state of historical limbo will not last forever, but if you try immerse yourself in the time period, you kinda understand that the beginning is in the myths, and there's no future, and centuries will pass in silent sameness. But it's not depressing at all, because the characters just live their lives in the present, while only every now and then feeling the passage of centuries.

This kind of subtlety is practically absent from modern perception of fantasy, and it'll probably take a very introspective game to pull it off.

>Valente — In the Night Garden

It reads much like some ultra-indie conceptual story game. I've long wondering if I can hack PbtA to run this setting. The fluid and irrational flow of the narrative is actually pretty close to what narrative games tend to produce if everyone's careful enough to avoid turning their game into a clown fiesta.

>Hurley — The Mirror Empire

The setting is picturesque as hell.

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What does /tg/ think about Dragonlance?

>> No.57318393

The works of David Eddings.

Garion series:
The Belgariad
The Mallorean
Belgarath the Sorceror
Polgara the Sorceress

Sparhawk series:
The Elenium
The Tamuli

The Redemption of Althalus

>> No.57318831

Dude, its true he is a mary sue. But he is a mary sue done right.

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Try The Dragon Lords: Fools Gold by Jon Hollins. since all the other choices I was about to suggest have been said by previous Anons.

> literally about a group of shitheads that are trying to steal gold from a conglomerate of greedy merchant dragons.

Kinda lolrandom at times but it's pretty perfect for a D&D short campaign.

>> No.57318928

>mary sue done right
Elaborate. And, no, "this power fantasy appeals to me" is not a good excuse.

>> No.57319021

Think about it.

Dude knows he is a mary sue. He thinks he is invincible and unbeatable.

Because of this: he nearly kills himself in the first book by trying something too advanced for him, in the second one, he gets his ass cursed by a magical tree because he decides to wander around in the magical woods, gets his ass kicked by two bandits while trying to not get robbed, manages to fall from grace from one of the most powerful nobles in the world, gets his ass kicked by his lethani teacher for being a wimp, manages to anger the son of a very powerful noble who almost kills him.

He has his flaws, sure, its overcompensated by him being absurdly intelligent and having a ridiculously good memory, but in the end, he mostly just fucks about in the world nearly getting killed for being a cocky little shit.

Honestly the character himself is not perfect, its not really a good character.
But he manages not to fuck up the entire setting, since rothfuss gives him about as many flaws as he gives him qualities thus making him as least mary sue as possible

>> No.57319104


I'm not sure what some of the differences are between all of these. What's the difference between comic fantasy, weird, and mythic? Also isn't alternate world redunant as most fantasies are in a different world?

>> No.57319106

>Kvothe is great at everything
>but it doesn't matter because sometimes bad things happen to him
So? All his failures have no bearing on him. Notice how many times you said he was 'almost killed'? But he never was, was he? Through the framing story it's being hinted that eventually Kvothe fucks up so bad that he fucks up the world. Yeah, eventually, maybe, perhaps if the third book is released, and everything isn't a dream or he just realizes the can fix everything or it's all 'just as planned'....
Something that really stood out to me was the scene in the Eolian tavern in the first book, where that other guy sabotaged Kvothe's performance by rigging his strings to break. This should be something bad, but not only his performance didn't suffer - he played even better, and in the end everyone clapped.

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>Elenium trilogy by David Eddings

>> No.57319402

Nigga you cant complain about plot armour litterally every protagonist ever has some degree of plot armour.

Lets run trough some of them shall we?

Frodo and Sam
Luke skywalker
Beren and Luthien
Jon Snow
Arya Stark
Ciaphas Cain
Everyone from any action movie in the 80s EVER

>> No.57319671

discworld and redwall novels

>> No.57319761

The point is that those people, however strong, are impacted by the things that happen to them.

Also, they have a personality. Kvothe's so insufferably good at everything that his only defining characteristic is that he sometimes fails.

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The Dwarves series is really good if you enjoy dwarves. While it focuses on them, it's got some interesting world building and plot. It's definitely more low magic, which is what makes it interesting in my opinion. Lastly, I enjoy the authors take on dwarves that all of the dwarf realms aren't the exact same in culture, perhaps only in "religion". Each realm has a specialty: gems, stone, smithing etc.

>> No.57319896

>The Dwarves series is really good if you enjoy dwarves.
I wouldn't have guessed.

>> No.57319948

What is it about?

>> No.57320227

Here we go:

>Robert E. Howard
Conan, King Kull, Bran Mak Morn

>Fritz Leiber
The Fafhrd and Grey Mouser (mis)adventures.

>Elizabeth Moon
The Paksenarrion books. The "This is how you paladin" series.

>Elizabeth Bear
The Eternal Sky trilogy. Featuring Not-Mongols.

>Guy Gavriel Gay
"Historical fantasy", featuring the not-Byzantine Empire (The Sarantine Mosaic duology), not-China in two flavours of dynasties (Under Heaven and River of Stars), not-England/Wales/Norsemen (The Last Light of the Sun), not-Reconquista (The Lions of Al Rassan). These are absolutely fantastic.

>> No.57320495

If you haven't read it, and want some ideas for some light hearted, or at least humorous scenarios and adventures, you can't go wrong with anything by Terry Pratchett.

>> No.57320626

Avoid Terry Goodkind. He is one of the worst authors I've ever read, and he's a big Ayn Rand fanboy, so his main character is basically a super villain that we're actually supposed to like.
Also, he shamelessly rips off Tolkien and Jordan (and why would you steal from Jordan, of all people?).

I liked the first two Black Company books by Glen Cook, though the third lost me half way through.

Mistborn by Brandon Sanderson is a lot of fun, but by the time I got to it I stopped reading sequels since I've been burned by them too often, so I can't say anything about the rest of the series.

Raymond Feist's Magician is a guilty pleasure of mine.

Jim Butcher's Codex Alera series is pure brain candy. I haven't liked any of his other works, though.

The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch is excellent. The main character, Locke Lamora, is the best-selling written too-smart-for-his-own-good character I've ever seen.

Graham McNeil's Ambassador and Ursun's Teeth may well be the best novels Black Library have ever published. They're Warhammer novels, but I feel comfortable listing them in with any other good fantasy fiction. They're not just good Warmammer books, they're good books in general.

>> No.57321031

If you like science fantasy / space opera then might I recommend the following:
Dune by Frank Herbert
Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny

>> No.57321056

>even touching genre fiction with a 10 foot pole
>Salvatore recommended as entry level
I don't think it's by /lit/.

>> No.57321070

Majipur chronicles

>> No.57321106

It gave me a fetish for orgies where every party is keeping to themselves and they're just fucking in a room that is absolutely filled with sex to the brim, and also gave the world the greatest epic fantasy villain name ever, Roddy McfuckingGristle

>> No.57321144

See >>57315424 for more of that.
Also check out the Naked Blades website.

>> No.57321173

Some Young Adult fantasy:
The Dark is Rising by Susan Cooper
The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander
A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin
Old Kingdom by Garth Nix

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something more obscure:

City of the Dreaming Books by Walther moers.
Dont be turned off by the sillyness, its a different kind of fantasy.

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Harharharharharhar... Dwarves.

>> No.57321233

Actually finished this today, and got on /tg/ to tall about it. Despite being a bit of a Mary sue, I like Drizzt quite a bit.

>> No.57321280

Douluo Dalu by Tang Jia San Shao
Battle Through the Heavens by Tian Can Tu Dou
Against the Gods by Mars Gravity
Zhanxian by Ren Yuan
Martial World by Cocooned Cow
Genius Doctor: Black Belly Miss by North Night
Insanely Pampered Wife: Divine Doctor Fifth Young Miss by 扇骨木
Honourable mention goes to Tales of Demons and Gods by Mad Snail, but keep in mind that Mad Snail is a flaky asshat.

>> No.57321296

Sometimes? He fails fucking often

>> No.57321306

> Old Kingdom by Garth Nix
Is Sabriel part of that series? I thought that was called the Necromancer series/trilogy?

>> No.57321347

>old kingdom
My man

>> No.57321378

Old Kingdom series:
1. Sabriel
2. Lirael
3. Abhorsen
4. Clariel
5. Goldenhand

>> No.57322045

I'd recommend picking Black Company back up. After the plot moves back south it gets really interesting, lot of hindi mythology becomes prevelant.

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>The black tower series by Stephen King
You've clearly never read it so how would you know?

>> No.57322132

>He uses synonyms!
>He doesn't have the entire series memoriezed verbatim, including the minor typo in the 1993 print version on page 87 in The Drawing of Three!

>> No.57322246

I've never seen anybody on /tg/ call it "the black tower" when the title of the fucking series is "The Dark Tower", which logically led me to assume you never read it because who the fuck forgets the name of an 8 book series they read?

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Eyes of the Dragon by Steven King.

Good straight-up swords and sorcery from an unlikely source.

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>What does /tg/ think about Dragonlance?

>> No.57325242

I don't.

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>> No.57325834


Gentleman Bastard Sequence is pretty entertaining.

>> No.57325887

It's Young Adult fiction for roleplayers, low-tier and takes a nose-dive in quality after the first arc.

>> No.57325910

>>Guy Gavriel Gay
He's not gay, he's Kay, m'alright?.

>> No.57325915

B-but anon, I finished it yesterday.

>> No.57325940

Don't post your nipponese fanfics here, imperial.

>> No.57326065

All of his books are great. Sanderson would make a great DM, or campaign writer at least. His world building is top tier and magic systems second to none. His new Stormlight Archive is 10/10 so far.

>> No.57326177

Joe Abercrombie The first law trilogy and stand alone books - for bleak low magic setting heavy on northmen, barbarians and asshole mages.

Brian McClellan, the powder mage trilogy and novellas - Military heavy Guns and magic setting with some interesting power sets thrown in

Brandon Sanderson, the mistborn trilogy and the stormlight archives - unique and inventive powers uses, interesting world.

Scott Lynch, the Gentleman Bastard series - Rogue heavy tales of thievery deceit and politics.

David Eddingings, The Belgariad - When you want some of that old school epic fantasy shit.

Patrick Rothfuss, The Kingkiller Chronicle - gets a bit mary sue and wankey with the main character being the goddam best at every thing you can imagine but not terrible.

Terry Pratchet, discworld - weird comedic fantasy but cheap and lots of them, mixture of shit and genuinely amusing so pick carefully, the guard focused ones are usually good.

Brent Weeks, the first book of the night angel trilogy the rest get very mary sue very quickly.

Brent weeks the lightbringer series - fairly interesting use of magic as a form of light you can build shit with.

Mark Lawrence the broken empire series- if you like your grimdark with an extra helping of edge.

Robert Jordan the wheel of time - if you want a fairly interesting world that goes on for fucking ever and eventually starts to repeat itself over a dozen books till the author dies and they have to get someone else to finish it.

Raymond E Feist the riftwar saga - he's written so many sagas they all start to repeat themselves with each one getting worse and worse but this one is pretty nifty.

Terry Goodkind wizard's first rule - Avoid like the fucking plague.

>> No.57326213

>Elizabeth Moon
The Paksenarrion books. The "This is how you write long winded boring novels" series

>> No.57326488

Second this
Also read Extraordinary Adventures of Arsène Lupin, Gentleman-burglar, by Maurice LeBlanc. Or pretty much any Maurice LeBlanc book except The Crystal Stopper, leave that one for your second or third book.

>> No.57326759 [DELETED] 

Sorry for the lewd question, but I need to know.

Has that girl in OP's pic tasted his dragon cock?

Has she tasted Orc cock as well?

>> No.57327139

>unironically recommending Hero of a Thousand Face
I think that every copy should be sold with a disclaimer, “only read if you’ve got at least a basic understanding of why all of the psychology proposed in this book is wrong.” From a comparative-mythology/literary standpoint, it’s good enough if you go into it with that disclaimer in mind, but most people don’t.

>> No.57327276

I've been reading The Crown Tower by Michael Sullivan, and I've been digging it so far.

>> No.57328209

Read Brandon Sanderson
David Eddings
& some of the others recommended by other anons.

Avoid Terry Fucking Goodkind like the fucking plague. He basically makes an "adult" edgy fetish fueled spoof of Wheel of Time full of Ayn Rand ideology where he plays fast & loose with his own rules of magic. I finished it out of hateful spite only. The ending is fucking terrible.

The Mary Sue protagonist fucks around for ten books or more before the evil Dream Rapist of the Commies finally conquers all the nice capitalists. The Mary Sue then uses the Macguffin box to banish the filthy commies to out world along with his magic nullifying half siblings.

& yeah I didn't use a spoiler because it's trash & people need to know. It should have a fucking Surgeon General's warning on every fucking copy

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the chronicles of Prydain are some of my favorites a great read if you would like something reminiscent of a mythological epic.

>> No.57329891

I mean I tried to read some of Christopher G. Nuttal's books, but I can't bring myself to like them. The latest one I read by him, Storm Front which is in an alternate 1985 in which the cold war was between the Nazi Reich and America, and South Africa is the Reich's Afghanistan, which is kind of interesting. I just have problems believing the Nazi's society could work for 50 years before any cracks began to show.

>> No.57331622

>Outside of the few obvious rare authors: Tolkien, Lewis, Rigney (e.g. Jordan), Howard, arguably Miéville

>> No.57331666


Yeah I really enjoyed The Angry Grapes by Steinbeck. It was powerful. Men and Mice was also very good but a little overrated.

>> No.57331709

The Dying Earth series by Jack Vance
It was one of the major works that inspired DND.

>> No.57331711


As a rough guide, Discworld books written in the 20th century are good, 21st century books markedly less so. Those featuring Rincewind the Wizzard have more traditional fantasy elements.

>> No.57331998

This is, surprisingly, pretty good. It's like a western take on generic isekai trash that manages to avoid falling into a cliche merry-go-round.

>> No.57332098

Care to illuminate us? I know it sweeps a hell of a lot of stuff under the rug, but I wouldn't say I have a basic understanding of the psychology in it.

>> No.57332271

>riftwar saga by raymond e feist
I don’t get it. I was expecting something interesting to happen eventually but it really is just a generic fantasy story. There’s literally nothing new or interesting in the series. It’s a typical peasant rises to greatness. The elves are elves and the dwarves are dwarves. I don’t get he appeal. I fell asleep halfway through the second book and never tried again.

>> No.57332341

I liked Chronicles of the Kencyrath, The Barbed Coil, the Sovereign Stone trilogy, Chronicles of Morgaine, Grunts!, and the Rose of the Prophet trilogy.

>> No.57332844


>The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch is excellent. The main character, Locke Lamora, is the best-selling written too-smart-for-his-own-good character I've ever seen.

I couldn't like him, or his friends. All his problems are self created. He's smart enough and talented enough to make himself deliriously rich just by picking a legal outlet for himself.

But no, he's gotta keep putting himself and his friends in danger because taking money from rich people is fun. Most of the people he rips off are better people than he is.

I kept hoping he'd die and make the world a better place.

>> No.57334110

Oh, sure. It works well enough as a broad guide to set up a good, compelling classic mythological tale: it's not a good academic source should never be taken too seriously. Campbell was never really considered either an anthropologist, nor a religionist. And DEFINITELY not a psychologist. I think he is on to a lot of clever things, but you should never take him too seriously or literally.

Just the very idea that you can essentially describe all stories in history under one archetype alone is terrible. The psychological explanations are pretty lacking too.

>> No.57334594

people tell me to read Malazan every now and then, thoughts?

>> No.57335610

>/sffg/ doesn't exist

there's a containment thread for genre fiction plebs and the chart posted is one of their abominations

>> No.57335694

this guy is onto something but there are some pleb tier garbage authors mixed in there for no real reason

like eco for instance, right next to fucking dosto

borges, cortazar, marquez and bolano and other latin americans are great for learning how to create a great character and magical realism is something that can actually make you a better dm if you just read it carefully and think about what youve read, reading dosto alone and just straight up copying his characters allows your roleplayed characters to be straight up interesting and worthwhile and with some actual depth to them, which makes the experience very enjoyable not only to you but to everyone around you.

play a dosto paladin or cleric or merchant and you'll have the time of your life if you do it right. crime and punishment alone has so many insanely interesting character ideas and personalities to use in a campaign that it's ridiculous.

problem is most fantasy fags just go for low effort trash where you just have to turn your brain off and follow the plot, like sanderson and rothfuss and this locke lamora garbage or whatever. only value these have is ridiculously low level pop entertainment, nothing to learn from them. and then they expect their roleplaying experience to be similar.

i'm not throwing stones here, i myself occasionally enjoy turning off my brain and picking up some jim butcher and just going with it without a single thought to it, just following the plot and smirking at the jokes and popculture references. but there's nothing more to it and there's no reason to pretend there's more.

>> No.57335743

it's ok as far as fantasy goes, there's some thought-provoking dialogue and passages especially in the later part of the series and the prose gets good eventually, in the kharkanas books especially, but you don't get spoonfed and there are no information dumps there so people quit pretty often

>> No.57335861

>Sanderson — The Stormlight Archive

>It's got a weaker plot than Mistborn, but much better world-building. Very idea-minable in that it'll expose you to modern fantasy that is a bit to the side of generic.

Bullshit. Stormlight actually has stuff happening after the first book and real characters, unlike the nonsensical mess that was Mistborn book one.

Fuck, I almost missed on Stormlight Archive because I made the mistake of reading Mistborn first - Sanderson really improved and he is good with deadlines.

>> No.57335883


Read the first, pretend it was a stand alone book.

Book 2 is retarded sailing with STRONK WYMYN THAT NEED NO MEN PIRATES and third book's plot only has no stakes, but has everyone's IQ suddenly go into negatives in the last fourth of the book.

The flashbacks in RoT were good, tho.

>> No.57335891

past book one*

>> No.57335895

>its all good tho because its kvothe who's telling the story unreliable narrator hue hue
That one bugs the crap it’s of me.
Jerking yourself off and then saying you we’re only pretending is not how unreliable narrator works.
You’re supposed to add in little inconsistencies for a canny reader to pick up, not just have the author say some of it was bullshit and it’s up to you to figure it out.
Something like Dresden Files does it far better despite it even being an incredibly minor part of the series

>> No.57335924

Most recs are garbage for plebs. Here's a list of some more interesting and thoughtful fantasy
Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe
Fafhrd and Grey Mouser by Fritz Leiber
Dying Earth by Jack Vance
Fictions by Borges
Children of Hurin by Tolkien
Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny

>> No.57336006

>All his problems are self created
I droppes the series for the reverse reason. It all seemed to be going
>Locke’s crew has a heist planned
>it gets derailed by random bullshit out of nowhere that they had no way of predicting
>plot then goes in a far less interesting direction
It worked well for getting revenge on the grey king, but got tiresome quickly in book 2 when the more interesting gambling scams got built up and promptly dropped. When the magi turned up in book 3, I’d had enough

>> No.57336082


Thing is: Camorr was a good setting, and I didn't mind the world building. Locke shouldn't have left the city.

>> No.57336229

Reading it right now. If you just push through the parts where Erikson likes to namedrop shit without developing or explaining it, they're pretty good. Erikson loves to give the impression that his world is mysterious and well-developed by leaving lots of it half-baked and letting you imagine or have to parse weird poetry for the rest. Sort of the opposite approach from guys like Brandon Sanderson and Robert Jordan that go into detail about foods people eat and whatnot to flesh out places that might not really matter with autistic detail. Either way, there's a good story with interesting concepts at the core.

>> No.57336416

I adore Rothfuss as a person, and although his writing style is far from bad, the structure and the story as a whole is just goddamn boring.

>> No.57336470


You adore Pat "Lol you saw a page I didn't want you to see now I'm canceling a charity stream" Rothfuss?

>> No.57336497


>> No.57336506

>his writing style is far from bad

can you imagine ever being this pleb?

>> No.57336514

Don’t make me break out the pasta. I swear I’ll do it

>> No.57336522


>> No.57336545
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>It all began when Pat Rothfuss was born to a marvelous set of parents. Throughout his formative years they encouraged him to do his best, gave him good advice, and were no doubt appropriately dismayed when he failed to live up to his full potential.

>In high-school Pat was something of a class clown. His hobbies included reading a novel or two a day and giving relationship advice to all his friends despite the fact that he had never so much as kissed a girl. He also role-played and wrote terrible stories about elves. He was pretty much a geek.

>Most of Pat's adult life has been spent in the University Wisconsin Stevens Point. In 1991 he started college in order to pursue a career in chemical engineering, then he considered clinical psychology. In 1993 he quit pretending he knew what he wanted to do with his life, changed his major to "undecided," and proceeded to study whatever amused him. He also began writing a book....

>For the next seven years Pat studied anthropology, philosophy, eastern religions, history, alchemy, parapsychology, literature, and writing. He studied six different martial arts, practiced improv comedy, learned how to pick locks, and became a skilled lover of women. He also began writing a satirical advice column which he continues to this day: The College Survivial Guide. Through all of this he continued to work on his novel.


>> No.57336567

But why should I love the character when half of time he is a complete fuckup the other half he's a mary sue. Kvothe has zero appeal.

>> No.57336836

This is what Black Cauldron is based on, isn't it?

>> No.57337870

>4. Clariel
>5. Goldenhand
Just remember to avoid these ones.
I don’t know what happened to Nix, but he completely lost it some point after keys to the kingdom ended

>> No.57337957

I only read heroes of Abercrombie but really liked it.
One of the best character complexities Ibhave seen in a while.

>> No.57338624

While I don't actually love Eco personally, he is everything but garbage tier pleb author. Though his books do vary quite widely in quality, with some being ingenious while others being... pointless.

I'd like to know what other authors I've mentioned you'd consider pleb, just to satisfy my curiosity.

>> No.57338660

The silmarillion, I suggest having a nice cup of tea, and Adderall, and curling up on a cumfy chair and giving it a read.

>> No.57338661

Myth series by Robert Asprin
Black Company by Glen Cook

>> No.57339800

It's very difficult to read, but ultimately very worth the effort.

Very rich setting with a very detailed mythos behind it. The actual plot is nothing special, but the characters are fantastic and the inter-character banter flows like golden ambrosia. There's a lot of fairly thought provoking philosophy behind it, too, though much of it does tend to err on the side of nihilistic melodrama.

But then, it's epic fantasy. Melodrama is half the point. Overly dramatic, larger-than-life characters swanning about, being conflicted and poetic about things is a staple of the genre.

>> No.57339814

Stormlight Archive annoyed me by virtue of having the 'Refusal of the Call' section drag on far, far, far, far too long.

It gets good once he stops being a bitch.

>> No.57341062

/lit/ here

The only fantasy literature I care about is Tolkien and after that, classic mythology.

>> No.57342905

What? Oathbringer has a way stronger plot than Mistborn did. Generic is the last thing I'd call either series with the amount of effort put into their settings.

>> No.57343257

Spoiler alert: He never stops being a bitch. He actually lets an important secondary character die in the third book because he's such a massive bitch and then shortly afterwards almost gets himself and half the cast killed because of he's busy being a bitch about the last time he was a bitch - which also ended in the deaths of several tertiary characters.

>> No.57343384

Kaladin will become a villain before the series is over, mark my fucking words.

Just like Shallan's character arc is a study of what happens to a person when they become so attached to creating personas for different situations they start to lose control of their sanity - Kaladin's arc will undoubtedly have him break under his inability to accomplish anything if he doesn't just do his fucking duty without thinking too hard about the absolute morality of it.

His over concern for morality has gotten people killed and will continue to do so in the future - as other characters take up the mantle of "hero" that he struggles to even hold. The failures will continue (they'll accelerate evenl and the weight of all those lives on his conscience WILL break him.

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>Dying Earth

One of the best collection of stories ever written.

>> No.57343977

>Patrick Rothfuss

OP, do not listen to this man's advice.

>> No.57344044

>Elizabeth Moon
I also enjoyed the Paksenarrion books. The original three and the Gird origin story, at least. Her latest series was complete garbage, though.

>> No.57344097

>Roger Zelazny actually good shit

>> No.57344283

>/lit/ recommending fantasy
>ASOIAF in recommended epic fantasy
Didn't bother reading the rest of the list.

>> No.57344303

Patrician taste.

Kheldar and Ulath are best boys.

>> No.57344394

Goldenhand wasn't that bad. Not sure what the fuck was up with Clariel though. Also, all series should have a Disreputable Dog.

Spoiler for you, anon. Kaladin hasn't spoken the fourth ideal as of the end of the third book. He knows exactly what words he has to speak. He just refuses them because he's still being a whiny bitch and can't let go.

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What are some good fantasy books with small-scale story?
No world-ending threats and world saving, no super special chosen one protagonist, no kings queens or princes as primary characters.
Something similar to hobbit and some of witcher short stories.

>> No.57344437

Sanderson's other books have been mentioned, but one thing you could try to check out, if you're interested in his other stuff, is Arcanum Unbounded. It's basically a collection of short stories set in the overarching Cosmere setting he has, but a lot of them are fairly minor, and don't have the ramifications of the large stuff.

>> No.57344456

>Last good fantasy series I read was the First Law Trilogy and its subsequent spin offs. I feel they're pretty underrated.
This is what I'm currently reading and I came here to post it.

It's historical fiction rather than fantasy, though there is an element of maybe-magic-maybe-not, but The Pillars of the Earth is worth reading. There's even a miniseries starring rufus sewell and ian mcshane.

>> No.57344505

If you're okay with YA, Jack Campbell's Pillars of Reality series is pretty good. It takes a couple books for the basic questions of the setting to start getting answers, and it's kind of repetitive early on, but once the two protagonsits pick up some side characters and the cyclic plot gets broken at the end of the third book when the wearing-thin cycle of "arrive at new place, enemies immediately come to kill you, flee to new place" breaks due to the MCs finding out how their enemies are tracking them it goes from okay to great.

>> No.57344529

>>Cromwell — The Last Kingdom
Is the TV series worth watching?

>> No.57344553
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To those in this thread who are actually explaining their recommendations and what they like about them or why OP and the rest of us should read them, thank you.

Simply dropping a name and running is pointless.

>> No.57344592

I've read and enjoyed some of Sanderson's books , but the Cosmere is something that annoys me to no end.
It's like ruining a good series with a fanfiction where your favourite character just have to be everywhere and be the coolest and most misterius of all.
I liked Wit in the Stormlight Archives, as he had some personality and acted believably (albeit with a weid personality), but I can't stand when he just appears as a cameo to sow how intelligent and wonderfull he is.
And Kelsier's little book was just a way to ruin a good ending.

>> No.57344651

>Jim Butcher's Codex Alera series is pure brain candy.

What's even better is he literally wrote the entire series to win a fucking bet on a forum.

Someone bet him that he couldn't write a bestselling novel based on a "lame idea." So he ran with two pokemon-style "mons" and lost roman legion and wrote a bestselling series instead, which is a pretty easy read but still pretty great, a reminder that fantasy novels don't have to be grimdark doorstoppers to be good.

>> No.57344788

A fairly recent release in fantasy is Kings of the Wyld. It's a fun read that doesn't take itself too seriously. Also it's full of old adventurers trying to get the band back together.

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Anyone know of any decent vampire-themed fiction?

>> No.57345457

>Brian McClellan, the powder mage trilogy and novellas - Military heavy Guns and magic setting with some interesting power sets thrown in
I don't suppose you have this in .epub for an interested anon?

>> No.57345544

Matt Colville's "Ratcatchers" series is quite worthwhile for fans of D&D-style fiction. It's done a good job shaking loose some old conventions.

>> No.57345581

Try reading Lord of the Rings by John Tolkien, it's really good!

>> No.57345603

this desu

GRRM is a slow, plodding, and frankly boring writer. Event he show is better than his writing, and the show...let's not get into that because I'm liking this thread. Even if you like the show, you'll find it wisely excised a lot of the dumber parts of his books. like Tywin complaining about hemorrhoids, or Catelyn Stark coming back to life as a vengeful half-zombie

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Unironically, the Spice & Wolf light novels.

Yes, they're weebshit anime light novels, but they're from back when "light novel" wasn't a term to hiss and throw things at. Yes, it's got a cute wolfgirl on the cover, but any time it has a choice between showing a cute anime girl and showing two men haggling over medieval coin valuation, it'll choose the latter.

The anime is great, too, but it only covers the first five volumes.

>> No.57346114

I could be mistaken, but I think the bet occurred at a convention during a panel. Someone asked a question about coming up with new ideas and butcher said you don't need new ones, you can just combine any two other ideas. Another author took exception to the use of ANY two ideas and dared him to write one with pokémon and the lost Roman Legion. which netted us codex Alera.

Again, I could be wrong, I was slightly inebriated when he told me the story.

>> No.57346175


>The bet was actually centered around writing craft discussions being held on the then-new Del Rey Online Writers’ Workshop, I believe. The issue at hand was central story concepts. One side of the argument claimed that a good enough central premise would make a great book, even if you were a lousy writer. The other side contended that the central concept was far less important than the execution of the story, and that the most overused central concept in the world could have life breathed into by a skilled writer.

>It raged back and forth in an ALL CAPITAL LETTERS FLAMEWAR between a bunch of unpublished writers, and finally some guy dared me to put my money where my mouth was, by letting him give me a cheesy central story concept, which I would then use in an original novel.

>Me being an arrogant kid, I wrote him back saying, “Why don’t you give me TWO terrible ideas for a story, and I’ll use them BOTH.”

>The core ideas he gave me were Lost Roman Legion and Pokémon… Thus was Alera formed.

>> No.57346189

No one does. There isn't any.

Halfwits and hacks are the only people who write vampire novels. I love the idea of vampires and there are plenty of great movies and video games. Plenty of decent presentations of them in RPGs.

But not one good novel about vampires has ever been written. Unless you include Ellis' Informers. Which doesn't actually contain vampires (or maybe it does) but also isn't about them. Or a couple short stories from Charles De Lint.

But even the classics: Dracula, Varney and Carmilla? They all sucked more ass than blood.

>> No.57346323

Well, fuck me. Like I said, I wasn't really sober when he told the story. As an aside, I believe the guy who made the dare is now published

>> No.57347016

So long as he takes Moash to the gas chambers I’m fine.
Fuck that guy

>> No.57347428

Just conjecture, but I think the Fourth Ideal is a pretty big sacrifice to make for every Windrunner.
One of the chapter header epigraphs is a memory stone from Urithiru documenting another Windrunner struggling with the same ideal and he or she says "I don't understand, shouldn't I want to help people?"
I would guess the fourth ideal is an oath of neutrality or non-violence. We know that the Skybreakers and the Windrunners are legendary for their disagreements with one another and this seema in opposition to the Skybreaker fourth ideal of becoming the Law.

>> No.57347635

It isn't. Based on Kaladin's reaction, he can't say the ideal because he can't bring himself to let go of Tien and others he sees himself as failing to help, even though he knows that he couldn't have helped them any more than he did anyway. It's not about non-violence or neutrality, it's more likely to be something about accepting how you can't save everybody and that inability to do so isn't your fault.

>> No.57347675

Be there for the living, not for the dead, and/or that sometimes you do have to sacrifice some to save others.

>> No.57347754

Harry Turtledove's "Gerin the Fox" quadrilogy is worth reading, a somewhat more classical-era take on high fantasy.

MC is a minor noble lord who is getting too old for this shit, rules a small plot of land in the relatively untamed northlands at the fringe of a fantasy roman empire and deals with asshole wizards, barbarian invasions, vikings, invasions of fantasy monsters, and intrigue and war with his neighbors. Also, his waifu runs off on him so he gets a better one. Sorta like greek mythology, the gods are real and sometimes show up to fix problems, create new problems, or just screw with mortals for petty reasons.

Gets significantly better later on, it's pretty visible the first book (a compilation of two short books) was written early in his writing career and the rest was picked up much later. Starting in "Prince of the North," the second book, some more likeable secondary characters come in and the world gets fleshed out a lot more, and the second omnibus (books three and four) goes from good to great.

>> No.57348960

I'm looking for something that's mildly literary. I've been reading a lot of popcorn style fun fantasy, but I want something that will feed the brain. Any suggestions?
Has anyone read The Buried Giant? Is it worth it?

>> No.57350374

Lord of the Isles by David Drake- has a lot of good Mediterranean/Classical flavor and some neat rituals, any book from the series will do. His Redliners is sci fi but has some great plant monsters.

>> No.57350500

Anything written by J.R.R. Tolkien
Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks
The Odyssey
Beowulf was alright
a decent translation of Sinbad
most of the Conan books are bretty gud
Red Dragon and In Cold Blood are some pretty good books if you're trying to freak your players out with your BBEG
Game of Thrones is a good idea of how NOT to make your setting, characters, or storyline
I really loved the Alchemist
Tales of a Traveler by Geoffrey Crayon was a fun read, great for worldbuilding/character creation

>> No.57351019

Common gripes, but it always just makes me wonder what you think about Conan the Barbarian, or Beowulf.

>> No.57351295

What, exactly, do you mean by "Second book"? Because the first book, "Magician" was broken into 2 books for the release in the US. So you may have been slightly mistreated in having the narrative shattered

Failing that, I think at least some of the concepts were novel
>Elves being the created slaves of the Dragon Lords, the great Warriors who dominated teh cosmos before the coming of the Gods
>The idea of world without Metal, and its invasion of a world for said resource.

While the first trilogy doesn't particularly stand out in my mind, other than Pug's departure from Tsurani, I will say that Feist's work has the best sense of a "lived-in" universe: by the 6th book or something, a main character from the first books dies offscreen, because, well, he was an 80 year old man who fell from his horse. And it really hit me that these characters I was currently reading about were the grandchildren and great-nephews and so on of the people I started reading about.

That every happy ending wasn't really an ENDING, just the closing of a chapter, and each generation had to face different and new challenges.

As well it should, since Feist has been putting out books since the early 1980's.

I myself bowed out about 5 books ago, after 21 or so novels read. Maybe I'll return, but for now, I was fine to close things where they were.

>> No.57351433

I've been enjoying the Anno Dracula stuff. I wouldn't call it "Great", but "Decent", sure.

In honor of >>57344553

The Anno Dracula series is based on the idea "What if Dracula hadn't been defeated by Harker, Quinn, Seward, and Van Helsing?"

The unveiled answer is somewhat silly, but also fun in a sort of pseudo-Sherlock Holmesian way: Dracula's plan was to mentally dominate and marry Queen Victoria. This creates a climate where Vampires around the world go "Oh, cool, we can stop pretending we weren't real?" recreating society to accomodate both the "warm" and the undead. The first book is a man and a vampiress following the trail of a new criminal who's started killing prostitutes in Whitechapel...

It's like a world parallel to Neil Gaiman's Study in Emerald, an homage to Gothic Horror and Victorian Detective Stories.

Quite possibly not your cup of tea, but I've been having fun.

>> No.57351772

Blindsight or Echopraxia by Peter Watts.

>> No.57352033


I've read Anno Dracula and I've fucking loved it. I even loved the cameo of Genevieve from Warhammer Fantasy.


Already read and own Firefall hardcover.

>> No.57352237

Nice. I'm reading the sequel atm.
If you're unaware, it's set roughly 25ish years post the first book, mid of the first World War, with Dracula having moved in to Germany, using his blood to heal Wilhelm II's arm, and now we've got a vampire Red Baron to deal with.

>> No.57352283


I tried reading the sequels, but I found I didn't like them as much as the first one. That said, Red Baron > Cha Cha Cha

>> No.57352401

The series is still going on, anon, even after that ending. I too finished to that point from spite, and now there's like 5 more of them. I can't do it.

>> No.57352873

Sounds like you have a fowl lack of moral clarity, anon

>> No.57353279

The Tough guide to fantasy land is pretty good light reading
So aussies are running a game based on it, looks decent

>> No.57353906


>> No.57354039

Appendix N

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>Pat Rothfuss
>Eduardo Spohr

>> No.57354352

Yeah, I've seen the books in stores. I feel like Goodkind just wanted another check. I'm tempted to pick the series back up & read the new ones just to continue the hate boner I have for them, but that would be madness.

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>> No.57354499


and hell yeah. If you liked Vikings at all, you'll dig Last Kingdom.

>> No.57354795

Locke is literally an ordained priest of the god of thieves. Stealing from the rich is religious service for him and his friends. Going legit isn't really an option.

>> No.57355869

And a fantasy series about lawyers would be kind of boring.

>> No.57356458

>No Micheal Moorcock
Fuck /tg/, I thought you were better than this...
I got the Silmarillion for christmas, so I'm doing just that.

>> No.57356488

I recommend these every thread, but Kage Baker's Anvil of the World series is very good.

>Anvil of the World
Dwarf assassin tries to settle down and open a resort hotel but things keep going bad because he gets involved with the shitty wizard son of the local demon dark lord

>House of the Stag
Backstory of the aforementioned demon darklord including his time as a pit fighter and community theater actor

>The Bird of the River
A girl and her half-elf brother join a merchant riverboat crew

Kage Baker is my favorite author and we'll never get another book

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I thought The King of Elfland's Daughter was pretty unimpressive when compared to The Book of Wonder. The setup was good, but then it just kind of meandered around as if Dunsany was more comfortable with short stories and didn't really know how to approach a novel.

I forget which stories are in The Dunwich Horror and Others, but The Dunwich Horror, itself, is overrated. There are much better Lovecraft stories.

Dark is the Sun is the only Philip Jose Farmer book I've read that I really liked (granted, I've only read a few), and was a far better "after the collapse" book than Lanier's Hiero's Journey (of course it's also much, much, much further in the future).

>> No.57357209

Are you fucking kidding?

I would kill for a Law & Order clone about a paladin order.

>> No.57357222

>The only fantasy literature I care about is Tolkien
Tolkien is a terrible writer.

>> No.57357594

Agreed. Fuck Moash. And fuck King Useless for stuttering his way through his First Ideal and getting skull fucked with a spear for his trouble.

This. He wont realize it though. And then he'll fall.

>> No.57357914

>In the religious system, the people are represented by two separate, yet equal groups: the clerics, who heal the people, and the paladins, who SMITE EVILDOERS. These are their stories.

>> No.57358127

>replaces the doink-doink with church bells

>> No.57360138

>Kaladin falls
It’s like Poetry

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Into the Abyss by J.L. langland is a great book IMO with good worldbuilding and a nice magic system.

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pic related is great. its not crammed with detail and the world isn't perfect, but the plot is genuinely entertaining and the characters are all likable.

>> No.57363616

>and the characters are all likable.
Sabetha *blocks your path*

>> No.57364040

I didn't Sabetha was that bad, but she's not in the first book anyway.

>> No.57367800

>the characters are all likeable
I politely but strongly disagree.

>> No.57367907

Well of Darkness trilogy by Margaret Weis/Tracey Hickman
DemonWars Saga by Salvatore
Binding of the Blade by LB Graham

>> No.57368104

A dude up above told me to explain my choices, so here we go.
>Well of Darkness
My favourite villain in literature, Dagnarus, is one half the view point of this series. Elves are different (Samurai Japan), Dwarves are different (Mongols), Orcs are different (British Carribean), and Humans are humans.
We witness Dagnarus' rise to tragic power, and the unification of all four races to overthrow the dark lord.

>DemonWars by Salvatore
A refreshing break from Drizzt, takes all the masterful descriptions of combat and applies them to characters that actually develop, fall in love, and we fear losing.

>Binding of the Blade
It's like if the Bible were taken to the next level as a fantasy novel series. Read at least the first book, the imagery is beautiful and it really captures the idea of a Golden Age in a Garden of Eden way.

>Stormcaller by Tom Lloyd
I always recommend this one based on the writing style, it is very conversational and thus incredibly easy to devour. Isak is a young man who becomes the Chosen of the God of the Hunt, imbuing him with superman powers, his opponent, the Chosen of the God of War.

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I know Tolkien gets shilled fucking constantly, but I honestly prefer pic related over LOTR. Its a short, sad story just about the effect Morgoth has on a family, and really shows how evil he really is a lot better than Sauron in LOTR. I've used a lot of elements in my campaigns, a lot of it fits in really easily. Not to mention the names flow off the tongue incredibly well, in a way not many authors achieve with fantasy names.

>> No.57368313

Actually, I grabbed the second book without knowing about the first, and it was a much better book for it. Lynch really likes filling in his mostly-described backstory with more tales we’re expected to fit in /somewhere/ in the chronology of Locke’s past, which, by the third book, feels like more and more of a stretch. He does that thing that sequels do, like Mass Effect 2, where they re-describe the whole world and how it functions every time.

But if you look at them as self contained stories where you are just being introduced to the characters, it makes for a much more lively world, and it feels a lot less redundant.

>> No.57368463

Lots of great, and controversial, stuff in the thread already, but I gotta shill a bit for Will Wight.

He doesn’t necessarily write works of art, but they’re definitely fun and interesting worlds. I also like that his MC’s are rather flawed, and at least two of them are very underpowered to begin with, in high-power worlds.

Both the House of Blades trilogy, and the Unsouled series have been fun rides so far. And while he’s doing a bit of a Sanderson Cosmere, it’s much more narrow, and the crossover has been very much understated both in the books, and how he talks about them.

>> No.57368940

I like all of these books a great deal, but I wouldn't really consider Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser "thoughtful". They're just very well plotted and well written adventure stories.

Also, fuck what's with all these guys in this thread trying to be all highbrow. Like, yeah, I like Eco, Borges, and Calvino too, but you aren't on /lit/, nobody's going to be fucking impressed when you namedrop people.

People aren't asking for high literature. They're asking for cool inspiration for when they play pretend with their buds.

>> No.57369552


>Mary Sue done right

If it's a Mary Sue then it has definitely not been done right

>> No.57370258

>Also, fuck what's with all these guys in this thread trying to be all highbrow
fucking this

frankly I always get the sense that people dump large lists of "classics" having maybe read one or two on it. maybe that's why those posts are always the ones with either no details or only superficial details, rather than "I like it for..." style replies

>> No.57370355

I found it alright. Can slog a bit at moments, but definitely worth the read.

>> No.57370370

Songs of Earth and Power by Greg Bear.
Chronicles of the Flat Earth series by Tanith Lee
The Rising of the Dark and the Windrose Chronicles (different series) by Barbara Hambly.
Times Master Trilogy by Louise Cooper (short, fun read).
The Daniel Black series by E. William Brown
A Tapestry of Magics by Brian Daley
Anything Roger Zelazney wrote.
Sing the Four Quarters and it's associated books by Mercedes Lackey

Yes. The Blood Chronicles by Tanya Huff. the only vampire series I have ever read and enjoyed - and I HATE vampires. There is also the Necroscope Series, by Brian Lumly, which is quite a bizarre take on vampires.

Yes. It's a retelling of a bunch of Celtic Mythology.

>> No.57370558

>Lord of Light
My literal niggers.

>> No.57370591

I dunno, I think he's gotten worse. Best Served Cold was his peak and the rest have just been okay

>> No.57370657
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The Noble Dead series because I know if I don't shill it no one else will. It's the only series I've read where a globetrotting adventure actually reads like one. Be prepared for a shitty conclusion though

>> No.57370769

this >>57370657
MCs are charlatans pretending to be vampire hunters to fleece dumb hicks, then discover actual vampires and spend the rest of the series as real hunters investigating the whys and hows of undead in general.

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>> No.57371047

>Notice how many times you said he was 'almost killed'? But he never was, was he?

It's not exactly usual for protagonists to get killed.

>> No.57371511

I was really rooting for Elhokar at the end. He was finally getting his shit together and then that traitorous bastard gave him a spear-point lobotomy.

>> No.57371714

You forgot Dresden, who /tg/ complains constantly is a mary-sue despite the fact that he fucks up consistently, constantly, and pays for it in spades and blood.

>> No.57371749

Almost nobody complains about Dresden being a Mary Sue, outside that one truly bizarre ‘sperger that rakes the catalog for Dresden threads so he can samefag them to death.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he archive combs like noxious discharge used to, and will turn up to start REEEing in a few minutes.

>> No.57372182

>A few of those are not necessarily good but I enjoyed them.
This is probably true of most of the books we love. Sort of the nature of "genre fiction" is that you like it in spite of its flaws, right?

>>various people
>Abhorsen series (Garth Nix)
>Mistborn series (Sandy Branderson)
>Conan everything (REH)
>Cthulhu mythos / Dreamlands stories (Lovecraft)
>Bas-Lag books (China Mieville)
>Dying Earth (Jack Vance)
2nd vote for all the above

Plus if you for some reason missed any of the classic stuff that you should have read in the 4th or 5th grade (LotR, Narnia, Prydain, Redwall, Earthsea, Hero and the Crown, Elric, Shannara, et al), immediately go rectify those oversights.

To that list I would add any of the more adult-aimed Neil Gaiman novels, Memory (Linda Nagata), Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell (Sue Clarke), and The Great God Pan (Arthur Machen).
And if you enjoy your whiz-bang kiddo picture-books, I'd also consider some or all of:
Sandman (Gaiman again)
Bone (Jeff Smith)
Hellboy (Mike Mignola)
Saga (Brian K Vaughn)
Red Sonja (Gail Simone)
The Sword (Luna Bros)
Ravine (Stjepan Sejic)

You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole.
Of course it's not high literature. That's missing the point.
OP was asking about fantasy books, and you come in here and be the "Have you tried not playing D&D" guy. Cmon.
Borges and Pavic ARE my shit though, so you've got me there. Also some Lem is good to mix in, if you're already on that tack.

>> No.57372221

>The Angry Grapes
This post earns 6.5 ROFL Points.

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>ROFL Points.
Don’t do that

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You should check the audiobook read by Christopher Lee.
It really is the perfect match.

>> No.57372886

Dear diary,

Today, Satan made me lol irl

>> No.57373273

But anon, I have so many to spend.

>> No.57374548

Or maybe writing, like every other skill, is quantifiably good or bad, and the subculture surrounding it, like any other subculture surrounding any other hobby, makes it their business to discern that good from bad, some feeling strongly about it, as they should be allowed to be

Youre like those people who think all beer tastes bad and everyones just pretending to like it. I dont know why literature constantly has to prove itself to people who have no interest in the field to begin with.

>> No.57375222

Poor example; All beer does taste bad

>> No.57375361

>Of course it's not high literature. That's missing the point.
No, it's actually you who missed the point. The point was not to diss "low" literature, but rather, to point out that even if you want to make low literature, you are always better off reading good stuff yourself. OP was very specifically asking for fiction to read to get inspired for his own creative endeavor. And what I gave is - and this is something I actually seriously, unironically believe - the best advice anyone can give anyone who is looking for fiction to get inspired and be creative.

You people really are insecure as fuck, aren't you? The reason why I'm bringing up these names here is PRECISELY because this is not /lit/, and these authors aren't a common knowledge. Thus, mentioning them here is exactly where they might be of most use and do most good.

Ever considered, even for a bloody second, that not everything and every one can be boiled to issues of insecurity and attempts to impress someone?
That someone gives this kind of advice because he genuinely thinks IT IS A GOOD ADVICE? It's fascinating that such idea does not seem to even cross the minds of many of people here. How fucking obsessed with status are you people?

>> No.57375393

Nothing they are fantastic. Unfortunatley I doubt we will ever see the third.

>> No.57375409

God to know you realize it's your opinion, and that your opinion isn't necessarily shared.

Because seriously, those books are good reading, but they're about as inspiring as an elementary school book report's required reading list.

>> No.57375536

The real problem is those authors write things that the average person can't manage to emulate. The point of being inspired is to be able to say "I can manage something like that, sure!" And those books, those authors, they aren't going to inspire someone to think that. They're good books, great reading, and thought provoking, but they're not going to inspire anything except a feeling of "That was great, but you know, I can't make that into a D&D game." It's not a matter of insecurity, it's a matter of talent.

>> No.57375828

>The real problem is those authors write things that the average person can't manage to emulate.
I strongly disagree. You may not be able to achieve the level of mastery they achieved in exploring those subjects, but they also point out that such subjects can be explored and are worth exploring - they set up ideals you can strive for. I said that I don't want to diss "low" or genre fiction, and I mean that - there is plenty of enjoyable fiction there, and almost all of it came from precisely this: presenting themes gained from more "substantial" literature, maybe not exploring them in such a masterful way, but often in a more accessible or entertaining way.

Hell, Borges has an ENTIRE story about an author writing books solely to inspire other authors, which in itself a metastory, because that is precisely what Borges himself does. Fuck, half of the books on the list ARE inspired by the other half of the books on the list.

I'm pretty sure that transplanting Borgesian Immortals as a quest plot twist, or Pavić's Dream Hunter Sect as an antagonist organization, setting Woland as the seeming BBEG or base a random encounter on the absurdity of say, Jackals and Arabs isn't actually hard, and does not require you to be a literary mastermind yourself. Even if you don't pull it off with equal talent, I'm pretty sure they'll help you flesh out your campaign or at least provide your players with something they don't expect, as the odds are, they likely haven't read them too.

I would not underestimate people like this.

You clearly haven't read any of them. You might have a point if I was listing, say, Great Gatsby or Wuthering Heights, but I pretty intentionally chose works that are pretty much exploding with imagination and creativity, and exploring the use of imagination and fantastic elements in particular.

>> No.57375930

Holy fuck this is some bait.
To people who don't know what this anon is talking about it's basically all battle shounen and harems except worse

>> No.57376063

Can we suggest not literary sources of inspiration?

Because I really want to recommend some movies and manga that people often tend to forget about, but are god damn beautiful.

>> No.57376205

Why not?

>> No.57376974

The Coldfire Trilogy by Friedman

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OK. If you excuse weeboo-centric bias, I'll get the anime shit out of the way first:
For general "magical feeling or worlds" I really can't recommend these enough:
>Kino No Tabi
Anime about girl just traveling through various bizarre, sometimes even surreal and completely anachronistic places: while the animation is kinda weak, and not all episodes are equally good, it has strange atmosphere of exploration and odd-worldliness
>Haibane Renmei
Also somewhat surreal, it's a story about ordinary girls doing mundane things in a setting that mixes comfy mundanity with some really magical, mystical and at times very sinister world. It's exceptionally good at world-building and mood-building and setting a sense of mystery. The main story is crap especially in the second half, but GOD does it make for a compelling non-violence-oriented small scale world.
Basically Dr. House meets Witcher + Shinto: story about a traveling witch-doctor in a world populated by strange, shinto-inspired spirits. Each episode is a self-contained story, and every single one is brilliant. I can't stress out how good (if slow paced) it is.

For more post-apocalyptic feeling:
>Naushicaa of the Valley of Wind
Both manga and the movie are good, I'd argue the manga is better. It's a fresh take on post-apocalyptic and somewhat magitech settings. It has incredible world-building.
>Shuna No Tabi
A small picture book by the author of Nausicaa, some argue set in the same universe. Sweet, simple, short yet incredibly inspiring. My own settings for my campaigns is basically extended Shuna world. Also post-apocalyptic undertones.
>Yokohama Kaidashi Nikki
Manga, and I'd argue best post apocalyptic story japan has produced so far. It's SUPER slow and uneventful, but god is it imaginative and beautiful. It's about an android in a watching peaceful end of civilization as Japan is gradually swallowed by sea.

>> No.57378490

The Black Sword Chronicles by Michael Moorcock

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>Saishou Heiki Kanojo
The show is crap in terms of animation, and the story is terribly melodramatic, but it's another fascinating end-of-world scenario, this time a lot more violent and drastic than the previous. Arguably the most depressing vision of end-of-the-world scenario I've ever seen. May not be good for people not tolerant to sappy anime bullshit at times though. Also, it's just ugly, visually.
>Akira (the Manga)
Most people know only the movie, but the manga is dramatically better, and aside from being a cool take on super-(anti)hero genre, it's also a very good take on post-apocalyptic settings.

OK, with that out of the way, let's talk some non-Japanese stuff:
>Virtually any movie by Karel Zeman
"The Fabulous World of Jules Verne" (also known as "The Invention of Destruction") and several other movies of this guy pretty much perfected Steampunk Aesthetics. "Krabat" is an amazing classic fairytale with strong horror undertones.
>Song of the Sea/Secret of Kells
Arguably the two best western animated movies of the last decade or so: incredibly beautiful takes on Irish folklore and history with a fantasy bent. For some reason, they never got the recognition they well deserved.
>Virtually any movie by Jan Švankmajer
This is some horror shit. Lunacy, Faust and Alice are arguably his best movies. It's mostly completely surreal, but really fun.

OK folks, I think that is enough for now.

>> No.57378532

>Poor example; All beer does taste bad
Maybe you just have a bad mouth, ever consider that?

It's actually very possible. Taste is not equal. Just like the other senses, there are people who are the taste-equivalent of poor-sighted or hard of hearing. And likewise, there are people who happen to have a sense of taste that is far more acute than the average person, just like there are occasional freaks of nature with visual acuity of 35/20. A lot of so-called "acquired tastes" are things with a strong, often unpleasant dominant flavor and other subtler, underlying flavors that are more difficult to detect. This is thought to be part of the reason things like expensive cigars and caviar are considered "refined".

>> No.57378561

>Holy fuck this is some bait.
Not very good bait, then, if you're the only one biting.

>> No.57378665

That's not really a factor when it's specialized bait.

>> No.57378715

Honestly, this seems much more like an actual joke than bait. Somebody basically set up a chuckle for anyone else who can figure it out.

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Pic related. That is all.

>> No.57379193

To be honest, it's much more likely that an aquired taste is just that, an aquired taste that requires an actual effort to learn to appreciate, and most people who complain about it "being all made up" are just lazy and jaded folk feeling insecure about the fact that they can't appreciate it yet, but still not willing to put down the investment.

>> No.57379444

The first two books should be considered as one, because the first one has the most infuriatingly shitty cliffhanger ending ever. Or more precisely the entire first book is a prologue.

As a whole the first two books are excellent and the next two are good, except the protagonist gets accomondatingly stupid occasionally.

>> No.57379538

What is it good for? Why should we read it? What is it about?

>> No.57379613

It's about Duke Elric, a protagonist who set the standard for edge before it was cool. Literally.
Moorcock started a lot of the trends we see in fantasy today, so at times his work can seem cliche, but he created those cliches.

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Nobody ever shills this but me, apparently, but De Mari's books are the real shit. Damn woman got legit crazy (tried disrupting a LGBT meeting armed with a greataxe) but her books are too good.
>The Last Dragon is the first and is basically like a fairytale written by a cynicist with a heart of gold
>The Last Ogre kicks you into the dirt and shows you the raddest commander ever, Rankstrail the Bear. Fucker is the best mercenary type i've ever read about.
>The Last Spells gets a lot emotional and also has one of the most gut-wrenching plot twists ever
>The Last Prophecy is the best because you thought Rankstrail couldn't get any better than that and it proves you wrong.
>There was also an epilogue for the Last Prophecy that turned into a whole new book called literally Last Prophecy - Epilogue. Nothing amazing but you can't do much more after all that.
Titles are absolutely generic as fuck so no wonder it never sticks out.
Pic related is a fanart I made of Rankstrail, the book covers are awful.

>> No.57379617

Could it be that, rather than having a more acute taste than others, they have a more acute taste than you? Maybe they're more sensitive to flavors they perceive as negative, and that's why they perceive something as overpowering when you don't.

It's entirely possible no two people taste things exactly the same way. We know, for instance, that some people are just less sensitive to capsaicin than others are, and thus will have a preference for hotter hot pepper sauces and the like. Certainly, anyone can decrease their sensitivity over time by exposure, but if you took a bunch of people who don't regularly eat hot sauce, you'd find they have different tolerances. Thus, what one guy naturally finds flavorful another guy naturally finds overpowering, which has nothing to do with acquiring a taste for it or having a bad mouth.

I know someone in person who can pretty much only eat the most mild, blandest foods imaginable because almost any even mildly spicy food starts drawing tears. Thai, Mexican, Indian...there are entire parts of the culinary map that he considers straight up no-go zones. I'd hardly say that makes their taste buds the tasting equivalent of poor-sighted or hard of hearing.

>> No.57379701

The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson.

Shadow of the Torturer is also good, I think the author's name is Gene Wolf. Sadly the sequel pretty much ruins it.

>> No.57379894

Added to backlog, thanks. These threads are filled with mostly the same books every time and having read close to 300 books I run out easily

>> No.57379991

Lies of Locke Lamora is complete shit. When will people stop recommending this piece of shit?

>> No.57380078

Constructive addition to the thread.

>> No.57380101

You were saying?

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makes me think of this

>> No.57381640

>Maybe you just have a bad mouth, ever consider that?
I did consider it, but then I realized, no, beer is just awful.

>> No.57381683

What makes it bad, and can you recommend some better alternatives to those who like it?

>> No.57382041

Have you read Appendix N, Anon? Cause I read through Conan, Poul Anderson and Leigh Brackett last month and I'm hype as fuck to run a fantasy game.

>> No.57382784

>Haibane Renmei
>The main story is crap especially in the second half
The story worked fine for its main purpose, which is actualizing the themes while having direct synergistic values with them, the agenda is pushed through audiovisuals. It's compelling enough and makes for a whole experience when put together with the other elements of the show. Sometimes less is more.

>> No.57382911

This is a fascinating resource. Cheers.

>> No.57383049

>They're just very well plotted and well written adventure stories
For the time they were quite ground breaking. The Fafhrd and Grey Mouser stories were taking the piss out of pulp sword and sandal fantasies while also perfecting the genre. The stuff with bizarre fantasy guilds like a formal Thieves Guild and the Slayers Guild (Fighters Guild) come directly from him, which were intended as parody but the people imitating him didn't get the joke. Likewise the way the heroes continually find and lose 'true love' and the relationship between them and their wizardly benefactors, which is mutually filled with exasperation and annoyance.

Fritz Lieber more than anyone set the ground work for a lot of modern fantasy conventions and cliches, but he did them first and with a sly sense of humour. It was Discworld before Discworld.

>> No.57383100

When the movie/tv show comes out and anons retroactively hate it.

>> No.57386932

Read the Last Dragon years ago, can confirm that it's great. I heard the other ones are only in Italian though?

>> No.57386949

xxxholic for sure

>> No.57387368

That is a really pretentious way of saying it's actually kinda crap, especially in the second half, where it actually STOPS synergizing with the previous world-building themes and turns more into a generic anime attempt at psychological story that does not turn out particularly great. It should also be no surprise that this happened, as the first half of the story and the second half had completely different direction: the original sketches, notes, maps and short stories provided by the creative genius behind the work, Abe, did not infact detail any overarching plot with any kind of climax or conclusions: just incredibly detailed description of settings, character backgrounds (but no arks), and detailed description of their daily life, rituals, rules and reality. Abe's direction pretty much ends with the main protagonist falling down the well and then being assigned the Wall job.
The actual main plot line in the show's second half, centering almost completely on that dark-haired, smoking chick was a hastily put together afterthought created to give the story more of a classic dramatic structure, and my god does it show. Rika or whatever her name was should have never been the focus of the story, neither should have been her failure to be "elevated" the vehicle for the story crisis.
Still it's ABSOLUTELY worth watching. There are still some incredibly interesting details about the world seeping in even once the story takes a sharp turn for the crappyville.

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>> No.57392429

Tanith Lee.

>> No.57392507

Don't forget the Thieves' World books by Robert Lynn Asprin et al.

>> No.57393213

Didn't Spoony do a video rant about that a few years back?

>> No.57393608

Spoony is REALLY obsessive about this whole "throwing an inexcusable, childish bitchfit because I think two authors are too alike", isn't he? I still remember that embarrassing show he put up about Sapkowski.

>> No.57393906

anyone have amazon only self-published fantasy recommendations?

>> No.57394167

Young Wizards by Diane Duane

Circle of Magic and everything Tortall by Tamora Pierce

The Enchanted Forest Chronicles by Patricia C. Wrede

Literally-every-single-thing-ever-written by Garth Nix. (Seventh Tower, Old Kingdom, Keys to the Kingdom, Frogkisser)

Now, that said, all of these are for younger audiences over all, especially some like Frogkisser, the Lioness Quartet from Tortall, the Circle of Magic's first books, but I'd argue almost all of them have a lot to offer to older readers too.

I think the issue you're having is that his books are written, consistently, for young adults. Keys to the Kingdom punched higher in the age bracket than he usually does, but both Clariel and Goldenhand are written for folks considerably younger I think.

>> No.57394168

Mark my god damn words.

Yeah, I'm still sore over that. He was so fucking close that he would have got it if he had spoken a little faster. Him pulling out the picture of the hero he wanted to be at the end just dug a heel into my heart. Fuck.

>> No.57394216

Being quantifiably good or bad mostly has to do with basic structure and/or readability. Outside of that, everything else is subject and based on the context in which you read it in - the most important being the society/time you are living in. What's good or bad changes every decade more or less.

>> No.57394226

also I have to say both Clariel and Goldenhand feel weaker because they both sorta feel like 'questions nobody asked' if that makes sense? And once you save reality from not-satan's return everything else is gonna feel sorta tame by comparison.

>> No.57394283

Don't forget that most women generally have a superior sense of taste to all but a minority of men. I always get super jelly thinking that the truly ability to enjoy well-grilled steak is wasted on my girlfriend.

>> No.57395077

The Coal Swordsman
it's from my country, I don't know if you could find in english

>> No.57395219

The Daniel Black series by E. William Brown

>> No.57395555

>Being quantifiably good or bad mostly has to do with basic structure and/or readability.
>What's good or bad changes every decade more or less.
And really no. Jesus, are you kidding? Have you actually ever even opened a list of classic authors. I'm pretty sure you can find a couple of books older than a few decades, you god damn retard.
Seriously, is this real life?

>> No.57395789

>first five volumes
>implying it doesn't completely skip the 4th
it covers 5 volumes (really 4 and a half) but one of those is a filler volume comprised of short stories that came out halfway through the run, and they didn't even use the better short stories.

>> No.57397410

>And really no. Jesus, are you kidding? Have you actually ever even opened a list of classic authors. I'm pretty sure you can find a couple of books older than a few decades, you god damn retard.
not that guy but there is an argument to be made about whether or not those authors would be considered 'good' if their works were released in the modern day rather than in the period when they were released.

>> No.57397968

This answer is so stupid on so many level that I'm honestly not sure where to begin untangling the levels of moron here.

>> No.57398328

The first one I thought was great but Rothfus thinks he is much better than he actually is. The second book is all over the place and it is clear that he has no idea where to take the story now. That is why we will never get the third book because he knows that it will be a massive disappointment and that people will stop paying him attention when they discover he was just lucky.

>> No.57398639

Does no one here like the Gotrek and Felix books? I wouldn't consider them high class literature but they are fun and who doesn't love a dwarven berserker.

>> No.57398675

The ones written by King are a lot of fun.

>> No.57399147

I liked the ones written by the original author, but lost interest after they changed writers and did that 20 year timeskip thing.

Also, I know we're talking about fantasy here, but does anyone have any reccomendations about wild/weird west themed books? I'm going to be running a weird west themed campaign somewhere in the near future, so having a reading list for ideas would be great.

>> No.57399380

I like how this meme went from some sections of LoTR being poorly paced to him just being the worst writer ever.

>> No.57399389

I know it's not a book, but the video game Hard West is worth checking out.

>> No.57399470

I got that from a humble bundle once I think. Fun little game with a decent story. Thanks for the reccomendation anyway, senpai.

>> No.57399499

Never touch a book with Christopher Tolkien's name on it. It's exactly like watching a Stallone movie and realising too late that its Frank Stallone.

>> No.57399627

I mostly like it because most of the people propagating it have clearly never read Tolkien and don't know anything about the structure of the books.

>> No.57399752

Wow, I'm actually pleased someone else recommended Tanith Lee. IMO, 2 first books from Chronicles of the Flat Earth do really captivate with her picturesque, evocative words. Well, I was really impressed by them when I was 16. Not gonna try a detailed analysis here, but she's worth a shot.

For generic stuff I actually enjoyed all the Sapkovsky books back in the day. Also, Glen Cook's Black Company, first 2-3 books. Maybe Malazan Book of the Fallen, try the first one if you like heavy, detailed worlds.

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How do you mean? You think a work of fiction knocked out over a weekend as part of a party game would achieve world-wide respect and renown, like Frankenstein did?

You think a story about how important it is that we maintain the old infrastructure of our towns would catch on, like Hunchback of Notre Dame did?

If only we could have the skill and mind of an author of seminal American fiction, a piece so powerful that over 50 years of sales, it has NEVER gone out of print, and has sold over 30 million copies, returned to us. Oh, wait, Go Set A Watchman was pretty bad, wasn't it?

Of course, maybe these are all too modern. We should work with purer texts, like those of Shakespeare, who certainly didn't rewrite his plays to pander to the audiences of the day's performance, when his theater troupe performed in different venues. Oh, wait.

But of course, there are the TRUE classics, stuff like Homer! There's the ticket. Man, that's pretty well written! Well, translated, since it was in Greek. And, of course, presumably refined and altered over decades of oral tradition. Like, that Diomedes guy who's expressly better than all of the main characters at their particular strengths, but never actually solves anything.

Man, it's almost like works of literature might not be judged solely by their pristine adherence to rulesets, but by speaking to the audiences of their day, and then are propagated onward through recommendation and historical approval.

>> No.57400001

>But of course, there are the TRUE classics, stuff like Homer! There's the ticket. Man, that's pretty well written! Well, translated, since it was in Greek. And, of course, presumably refined and altered over decades of oral tradition. Like, that Diomedes guy who's expressly better than all of the main characters at their particular strengths, but never actually solves anything.
Let's not forget how the 3rd act drags and repeats itself so much it's been used as evidence of multiple authorship

>> No.57400472

not that guy, but the guy that guy was replying too, I was actually arguing not that the adherence to rulesets was a thing (because let's face it, you immediately have to throw out Shakespear then), but that the content itself is not necessarily timeless, but that if say, the illiad had never been written and was to be published today, it likely wouldn't catch on as it had.

For something to be considered a contemporary 'amazing piece of writing' it has to speak to the current audience, and then if it is to continue being passed on, it has to speak to future audiences for long enough to become considered a classic.

Given how the Illiad is, arguably, a piece of political satire directed against (I want to say) Augustus Caesar's political agenda dressed up as being praise for the Roman Empire, I don't really see it as being possible to continue catching on.

Then there's stuff like Journey to the West which is arguably unreadable in its unabridged form, yet stands up there with Beowulf, Gilgamesh, the Illiad, and the Odyssey as one of the foundational epics of literary history.

Things can catch on and remain popular because history says they should be, because they are relevant to the formation of modern literature and to the times they came from, but for them to catch on like wildfire and be passed on requires them to, first, speak to the generation that birthed them and those immediately descending from that generation.

>> No.57405007

I just read Going Postal and Making Money. Is Raising Steam just the same thing over again? I don't want to read the same book again.

>> No.57406714

I don't think any of you have even the faintest idea why any of the authors you mentioned are actually so highly valued.
"Oh, this mythological tale written to serve not only to represent the most fundamental moral directions of our society (and - as we can still see, resonates even with modern audiences), but also as a literal encyclopedia of all available knowledge of that time, and also canonization of our grammar, has this character that I don't think that is funny enough: that makes it shit!
Oh, Shakespear, the master of text flow and incredibly nuanced language as well as master of relatable, timeless character archetypes, also used to do minor improv action with his works which really did not change anything substantial about the stories. How insane!

This is a joke. You people think like fucking children, making up excuses why you don't have to go out of your way to actually read the timeless classics because it takes a little more effort to step outside of the tunnel-vision of shallow contemporary trends to appreciate.

But really, I have to go back to this:
>but that if say, the illiad had never been written and was to be published today, it likely wouldn't catch on as it had.
No. It's like saying "well if Carl Linné never published his works and came out today, we would laugh at him!"
Fun fact, if Illiad was never published then, the present day would look NOTHING LIKE IT LOOKS NOW. Literature is a cummulative process, you can't take out a single classic without making the entire superstructure completely fucking crush. That is literally a nonsensical proposition. Without Illiad, there would be no Ulysses, without Ulysses, there would be no modern fucking novel, and therefor, I can assure you, Illiad if it was released today, instead of three thousand years ago, would be a pretty fucking fascinating thing.

Fuck me, this is such a bizarrely stupid line of reasoning.

>> No.57407418

>This is a joke. You people think like fucking children, making up excuses why you don't have to go out of your way to actually read the timeless classics because it takes a little more effort to step outside of the tunnel-vision of shallow contemporary trends to appreciate.

yeah m8, it's better to just ignore them. It's all excuse-work. I will never know why books intimidate the fuck out of people so much though.

What's sadder are the people who do claim to be aspiring writers or literature fans who refuse to read the classics. They're like gym bros who have Knee Problems (tm) and don't squat.

>> No.57407443

No. I like reading what I like reading.

>> No.57407468

It's because people have different tastes anon. Some books aren't interesting to some people, regardless of the academic view of them. Nor are the classics requiresd reading for publishing good stories - Stephanie Meyers, J.K. Rowling, and Dr. Seuss all did jkust fine without readign thos classing and applying their so called timeless and powerful style to their books.

People like you and your sparring partner are why /lit/ is failure.

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My personal recommendations are:
>The Black Company
>The Old Kingdom series (Starting with Sabriel)
>Conan the Barbarian
>The Time Master Trilogy
>The Sorcery Club (if you're into contacting ancient Atlantean deities for promises of power and the secrets of black magic)

>> No.57407926

agreed, I will say this in his defense, he wrote a prose book SLIGHTLY better than he did a d20 supers ruleset

>> No.57408015

Sunshine by Robin Mckinley is good.

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