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No Fun Allowed edition

Previously: >>57236413

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>Thread Question
Have you ever run a deck that exists to make people miserable?

>> No.57244142

>>57244124
>Cunt edition.

>> No.57244143

>>57244124
>Thread question
I did (Teeg among other grief) and guess who was the most miserable in the end

>> No.57244165

>>57244124

Turbo fog Rashmi. Surprisingly strong. Looping crush of tentacles with ewit or archeo turns the game into archenemy pretty fast.

>> No.57244178

Neheb or Rakdos? They both look like fun.

>> No.57244186

>>57244178
Which Rakdos?

>> No.57244205

>>57244186
Lord of Riots.

>> No.57244209

>>57244124
>>Thread Question
Negative. Back when my group still played 60-card kitchen table, I built a Quest for Ula's Temple deck that blew everyone out.

Next night, guy showed up with a deck that was just full of Disenchant effects, and pretty much nothing else.

>> No.57244212

>>57244124
I almost made a couple of those, namely Brago and Zur but I stopped. I'm still kinda considering it because I have an old foil of him but I'm not certain.

>> No.57244213
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57244213

>>57244124
>Have you ever run a deck that exists to make people miserable?
Before its ban, Leovold. I hated everyone at my table at one point because they all used some form of Stax.

>> No.57244215

>>57244124
Mardu MLD is my cunt deck. Thinking about making a bad teferi + knowledge pool/omen machine lock deck but it seems just a tiny bit too janky without any way to actually control the board.

>> No.57244216
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57244216

>>57244205
>gay Rakdos for babies
Be a man. Reach out and defile someone.

>> No.57244228

>>57244124
>Thread Question
no, i like to have friends

>> No.57244233

>Spot precon Heavenly Inferno Commander
>For its price, I might as well just buy a custom H.I. deck

Fuck. Maybe there's one on ebay for cheaper...

>> No.57244237
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57244237

Last elder dino spoiled.

>> No.57244241

>>57244216
I intend to do that with the eldrazi I cheat in.

>> No.57244261

>>57244237
slowpoke.jpg

>> No.57244289

>>57244261
holy shit Mystic Remora looks dope

>> No.57244291

>>57244228
this

Honestly, some of my decks are intentionally gimped a bit either to be more fun or to be more friendly. Would my Feldon deck be better with ruination, Keldon Firebombers, and a Blood Moon? Almost certainly, but those cards really shit on people's fun.

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>>57244237

>> No.57244317

>>57244298
But it's a 7 mana 7/7 and it draws cards and gives you a big hand and dodges removal in a way that has graveyard synergies. I don't think it fits the unplayable blue fatty meme.

>> No.57244364

>>57244298
Also, the person who made this picked a bad picture. It's hard to tell who's the subject of the art, and if you made the border red it could easily be the viking lady that's the card.

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>>57244124
>Have you ever run a deck that exists to make people miserable?
Unintentionally. I build a Krupix deck so I could play all my favorite fatties; all the good eldrazi, the on-colour praetors, etc. Then I threw in a bunch of counters to back them all up.
Turns out a ton of annihilator + countering all my opponents relevant things doesn't make for a very good time for my opponents. One of my buds has even gone so far as to say the motto of my deck is "there is a finite amount of fun to be had in a match, and your deck monopolizes it."

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>>57244317
>But it's a 7 mana--

>> No.57244393

>>57244381
We are playing fucking commader last time I checked

>> No.57244407

>>57244381
Think of it as a bad consecrated sphinx. Playable for sure and arguably better if you can cheat it out.

If you want it as your commander you may as well play Jin gitaxias for big blu boi, but hitting that ramp on turn 3-4 is doable with lots of artifact ramp.

>> No.57244412

>>57244237
I actually really like this. If it had Islandwalk or Hexproof or something I might even go so far as to call it good.

>> No.57244415

>>57244393
Okay. Defend your position, what deck does it go into? What do you take out to put it there?

>> No.57244420

>>57244364
sourcing the art is the hardest part about making fake magic cards

>>57244237
>Last elder dino
there is still zacama

>> No.57244446

>>57244415
Reanimator with blue? Temur stompy? It's card advantage and discard outlet in blue

>> No.57244447

in response to OP yes teferi

anyway gimmie some riku jank, I already got guided passage but currently no wincon.

>> No.57244472

>>57244446
Could you do something weird with rbu madness? Are there enough good madness cards?

>> No.57244492

>>57244447
But Guided Passage is a wincon. You're not putting bad cards in your deck, are you?
I've resolved that card 4 times in my Two Daddies deck and my opponents either get crushed by my advantage or scoop out of boredom since I always pick the player whose new/never seen my deck before.

>> No.57244516
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57244516

How do I build and play this crafty merchant?

>> No.57244556

>>57244492
wait it is? I just thought the card looked cool, also no not really it's just stuff i have on me right now, but i plan on buying cards.

>> No.57244573

>>57244516
Practice your hand-wringing and use a stereotypical jew voice whenever you offer an opponent a crafty merchant deal.

>> No.57244594

>>57244516
build him into the 99 of pheldagriff or zedruu

>> No.57244608

>>57244492
guided passage is a wincon? What am I missing?

>> No.57244622
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57244622

Enrage - whenever silver Dino pack is dealt damage each opponent sacrifices a permanent

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>>57244622

>> No.57244636

>>57244622
>permanent sacrificing in red

Other than Crack the Earth, is this a thing?

>> No.57244647

>>57244632
This is a cool design. Lots of flexibility without being broken.

>> No.57244656

>>57244636
The archor-axe orc from Ixalan had it in his raid ability

>> No.57244687

>>57244656
Must be an ability they'll be adding to red's color pie then.

>> No.57244702

>>57244687
For this set, at least. Don't they do stuff like that sometimes, just to splash more playstyles into a color without really adding it to its identity?

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57244714

Thoughts on the single father of the year?

Cmc of 5 is not the easiest thing and you should cast something big to make it worthwhile, but I wonder if he can be good?

>> No.57244723

>>57244622
This + the oblivion ring dinosaur + grim patron dinosaur + pyrohemia

Gishath is looking like a lot of fun, itll even be consistent enough with enchantment tutors if you want to put cash into the deck. If you do it with black (tana + tymna or something) you can put in pestilence but it's a very expensive combo so you're going to want to cheat it out which big dino man will do a lot better

>> No.57244727

>>57244714
The question is what are you going to do with a lot of 1/1s in mono-b?

>> No.57244736

>>57244727
Damage.

>> No.57244738

>>57244298
>wahh why does my control deck have large creatures in it?

>> No.57244744
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57244744

>>57244727
I guess that's kind of a bad question, because other than Goblin Bombardment and Aura Shards all the good stuff to trade tokens for is either black or colorless

>> No.57244756

>>57244736
With ~7 1/1s? The most I can ever see someone having is 14 (having 6 on board then casting Raza). 14 1/1s isn't enough to get there.

>> No.57244783

>>57244756
I was being flippant, it's funny to say oversimplified dumb things on internet forums.

>> No.57244904

>>57244124
>Thread Question
Absolutely.
Keranos "No Win Condition" Staxis
Grixis "I have 10 copies of Ankh of Mishra, Cast Sunder"
Kami of the Crescent Moon Stasis
Kozilek Stax
Jund Mono-Death Cloud
Maelstrom Wanderer starring Devastation and the Wildfire Gang
The list goes on. This format is too easy to abuse in terms of making people miserable.

>> No.57244936

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chains-excite-me/update/

Need help cutting from chainer budget reanimator

>> No.57244954

>>57244714
He's fun but either very linear or entirely generic. You don't really have to modify your deck or plan aside from the usual Big Black approach. But as >>57244744 pointed out, there are plenty of things to do with your tokens. Making piles of mana is easy, you can definitely cash in a mostly artifact creature strategy to fuel the big finisher X spell of your choice. I don't have a list but a buddy of mine played his to revolve around every creature that had sacrificing downsides or alternate costs and using him to pay for them. Stuff like Smothering Abomination, Delraich, Demon of Death's Gate, etc. He's really more of an augmenting commander than a focal lynchpin.

If you just want to cheese people, Assault Suit can draw the game.

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57244990

Niv-Mizzet or Mizzix as a 10-minute-turn general?

>> No.57245055

>>57244990
locust god

>> No.57245099

If gitrog is too complex for me to pilot would jarad be along my lines? I want a fun Golgari commander that’s easy to run

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>>57244636

>> No.57245164

>>57245099
Mazirek is pretty simple. You just go infinite and win.

But yeah Jarad is probs the most straight forward golgari general. Play big dudes, hit people with them, sac them in response to removal or when it kills somebody.

>> No.57245181

>>57245164
Nah, Mazirek has a lot of counting counters, managing stack, etc. Nath is easy but not that fun. Glissa is a legacy mess. Meren or Varolz maybe?

>> No.57245188
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57245188

>>57244636
Listen bud, let red have stuff, ok.

Blue took our snapcaster mage. Blue can interact with enchantments. When blue draws cards they don't get exiled at end of turn. Life is hard for the red mage. Let us have new things.

>> No.57245237

>>57245181
Meren gets some complicated board states, but it's not terribly hard. I'd say Varolz is deceptively easy, because it's a bit hard to win with. Big voltron strats are extremely fragile. Easy to play, hard to play effectively.

What's the problem, anon? Are you playing while drinking most of the time or something? You seem to be able to string together a sentence.

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57245262

how often would you play this?

>> No.57245357

>>57244178
>>57244205
>>57244241
It really depends on what kind of deck you want to play. I'd definitely give my vote to Neheb, as I have had extreme amounts of fun with him, assuming that you talk about the B/R one. Besides, Lord of riots is weakened by Rakdos syndrome.

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>>57244124
>Thread question
It really seems like every deck I run makes others miserable, Neheb killing hands, Ghave comboing, Memnarch stealing, Sapling sticking and so on. Only deck I built to ravage anuses was Hanna, and it still makes people miserable, but still it seems like all strategies make people miserable, if the deck has interaction.
People hate removal and other interaction, it seems.
Last immense butthurt was eons ago though and I have never seen anyone as mad after it, and it was me playing pic related in Ayli and bullying Mayael player, stealing the commander and saccing it. The one time he killed Mayael and the guy with Polukranos, he completely gave up and whined after I recurred my man with my sweet foil signed Phyrexian reclamation. He started huffing something about having power 9 in a vault or something.

>> No.57245495

>>57245262
I wouldn't.

>> No.57245634

>>57245262
I probably won't put it anywhere. It'd be fringe playable against tokens, such as after Rith connects, or in response to Second harvest, but Rith player can just not pay instead.
I'd rather play Stunt double.

>> No.57245678

>>57245262
>>57245634
They probably made it as some sort of safety valve against Locust God. Best case scenario, you resolve it in front of Enter the Infinite, but most of the time you'd probably just be getting seven bugs and stopping the Locust player from going off this turn.

>> No.57245708

>>57245678
You could also steal a Scarab God token, for what it's worth.

>> No.57245892

>>57245262
It's seen reasonable in some kind of a toolbox blink build. Stick it in a Roon deck, only tutor it up when it's going to royally fuck somebody. Then just do not allow the Ghave deck to play Magic: the Gathering.

>> No.57246492
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57246492

>that Boros transformland

not even gonna post that piece of shit.

Really, Wizards.
Really.

>> No.57246520
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57246520

>>57246492
>wipes your tokens

>> No.57246529
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57246529

>"Dire Fleet Daredevil"
>Human - Pirate
>First Strike

>When Dire Fleet Daredevil enters the battlefield, exile target instant or sorcery from an opponent's graveyard. You can cast that card this turn and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color. If that card would be put into a graveyard this turn, exile it instead.

Is this supposed to be an apology, WotC? "The Red Snapcaster"? Are you kidding?

>> No.57246554

>>57246520
For dinos clearly, what a piece of shit.

>> No.57246564

>>57246520
>at random
Why does WotC hate the Legion so much?

>> No.57246576
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>>57246520
Yeah, keywordless, anthemless tokens with less than 2 in butt.

MEANWHILE AT WIZARDS:
>"oy vey, it seems like we overstepped our quota for good red cards this set!"
>"what, two already? But i was preparing boros part of the cycle that's actually good and flavorful-"
>"Trash it and let Bob the Janitor design the replacement."

>> No.57246609

>>57246564
>at random

it will look fun when a streamer plays mtg arena and rng fucks them up

>> No.57246611

>>57246564
But anon, red is the color of le wacky and rrRanDoM XDD

>> No.57246621

>>57246609
instant errata for it, shit they might even add the word "nontoken" for the ping effect.

>> No.57246721

For whoever mentioned doing a hidden Commander thing with Tazri and Jumblemorph two threads ago or so: Man I love you. As soon as my shit gets in the mail I'm building it.

>> No.57246752

>>57246520
I thought Wizards had an anti bullying policy? Why are they doing this to Borosfags? Does someone have beef with Agrus?

>> No.57246760
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57246760

If we both cast this in a 1v1 who gets the tokens? Whoever resolved last? Noone?

>> No.57246920

>>57246760
triggers are put on the stack in APNAP, turn-order.

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57246938

>>57245678
>>57245708
Fair points. However I'm the only one running Locust god from what I know, but yeah, I feel like that the guy is way too narrow to be useful enough for inclusion, depending on the metagame of course.
It would be pretty funny to use it in response to beefed up Gemini engine, which I seem to be only one to run as well for some reason. In Rafiq, not Locust god though.

>> No.57246945

>>57246760
>>57246938

How does it interact with tokens that come into play attacking?

>> No.57246956

>>57246611
But that's the wh*te effect

>> No.57246980

>>57246945
The tokens come into play tapped, but they won't be able to attack, obviously

>> No.57246990

>>57246980

Yeah, I figured they wouldn't be able to attack. I wasn't 100% sure if they'd be tapped or not (Since the attacking causes them to tap)

>> No.57247004

>>57246990
Attacking with a creature causes it to tap, but a creature entering the battlefield attacking doesn't need to tap, since it is already attacking.

>> No.57247006

>>57246990
The attacking and becoming tapped are different things here and the tokens never attack in a sense, which is why they aren't affected by propaganda-effects either.
It's like with taplands.

>> No.57247108

>>57244990
Melek.

>> No.57247235

So my creature count for gishath is 32, but I don't realistically think I can run only dinos. How many non tribal creatures should I run?
Currently wood elves, bloodlust inciter, mayael, xenagod, otepec huntmaster, drover of the mighty, farhaven elf, Sakura tribe elder, eternal witness, forerunner of the empire, and spellbreaker behemoth

>> No.57247292

>>57247235
Are you running the decent changelings too?

>> No.57247299

>>57247292
The green and red one, yea

>> No.57247304
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Is there future in Ghalta tron?

>> No.57247347

>>57247304
>Is there future in Ghalta tron?
Not really. Ghalta Storm, on the other hand...

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>>57246520
Holy shit, this is garbage.

>> No.57247378
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Pyrohemia keeps looking better and better with each passing day.

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57247393

>>57247235
Pic related and Kinjalli's Caller are good too.

>> No.57247439

>>57247393
Shit forgot about them. Any suggestions on what to take out, in general?

>> No.57247467

>>57247439
I'd say wait until we see RIX in full before you start making some sweeping changes. You never know what else might be in the set we've seen about half of.

>> No.57247597

>>57244124
>Have you ever run a deck that exists to make people miserable?
no, though thats not to say people enjoyed my selvala stax or yahenni smokestacks deck
the yahenni deck was the only one where I legitimately had people come up to me after the game and ask me to take it apart and it wasnt even that powerful just mostly very consistent and pretty much let nobody have creatures ever.

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Slaughter the Strong
1WW
Sorcery
Each player chooses any number of creatures with total power 4 or less, then sacrifices the rest.

>> No.57247628

What options in June do I have for shutting down combos, but not outright stopping someone from countering a player that is about to go off?
At the moment, only Stranglehold and Harsh Mentor come to mind. Any suggestions?

>> No.57247634

>>57247598
5+ boardwipe, meh.

>> No.57247638

>>57247628
Bah, I meant Jund.

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>>57244516
make hay with that targeted ability after doling out some cards and making some (((deals)))
typical group hug/political deck, slow things down, hand out some toys, dont be too aggressive until you can win in one turn.

>> No.57247672

I really need some last words of advice on this defender/toughness tribal deck before i buy it. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/toughness-tribal-2/ any suggestions?

>> No.57247708

>>57246529
id play it in modern already
that card is going to be sweet if your translation is correct

>> No.57247734

>>57247672
yeah it's pretty fucked all around

you don't have enough lands

you don't have enough mana fixing, ie. nonbasic lands (doran needs it especially much since you want to cast him on turn 3)

you could also do with a bit more ramp, but it's not 100% necessary

but most importantly, the deck looks very weak and not very fun to play. your plan appears to be to drop walls and wait for one of the few cards that let you attack with them. your deck loses to a single board wipe and has basically no way to recover from that because you have no card draw or reanimation.

i would highly suggest not buying the deck. i don't suggest building 3-color decks or goofy tribals as your first deck anyway, you'll probably just feel bad when it inevitably folds to a deck that plays blue or black and runs circles around it

>> No.57247778

>>57247672
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/toughness-tribal-2/
>Accorder's Shield
no
>Manalith
better options for same price
>Alpha Authority
dont waste your time
>Blossoming Defense
may be very very underwhelming I play it in selvala but at least that deck is a combo deck
>2 boardwipes
you could also put toxic deluge, Yahenni's Expertise or Languish but to be completely honest good old wrath is going to get a hell of a lot more mileage than trying to make it one sided and if you really need to to be one sided plague wind and in garruks wake exist

this deck also needs more card draw, I would tinker with it a lot more before buying it tbhfamalam

>> No.57247819

>>57247672

How do you plan to play against mill, discard, creature sacrifice, board wipes, land destruction, mindslavers etc...?

What do you have to offer besides putting defenders on the field?

What if you can't cast your commander or if it gets fucked somehow (like darksteel mutation)

It looks dull as fuck to me, your deck.

Also where is all your mana fixing and non basic lands? there's a fuck ton of them for three colors and pairs of two, and also the colorless cool lands as well.

>> No.57247824

>>57247708
In what deck? It'll be shit in so many matchups.
I'm sure you'll love Ancient Stirrings or All is Dust.
Good luck getting Affinity's 2x Galvanic Blasts, which will be just basic bitch Shocks for you.
Life from the Loam will be real useful too.

>> No.57247873

>>57247824
in a counterburn homebrew, 75+% of my meta plays bolt id pay 3 for bolt to finish out a game

>> No.57247874

>>57247672
Aura Shards
Bar the Door
Chromatic Lantern
Crenellated Wall
Mirari's Wake
Murmuring Bosk
Ready // Willing
Retribution of the Meek
Tower Defense
Ulvenwald Observer

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Disperse in the Wind
2U
Instant
Exile target nonland permanent. For as long as that card remains exiled, it's owner may cast it without paying it's mana cost.

>> No.57247904

>>57247824
>>57247873
id side it out against affinity and tron, tron already isnt THAT big of a deal for me and affinity is already an autolose so i dont care

>> No.57247914

>>57247887
inb4 some stupid combo i cant think of right now

>> No.57247935

>>57247887
>>57247914
Straight into my barren glory deck

>> No.57247943

>>57247887
a slightly reworded bounce???

>> No.57247944

>>57247874
i had bar the door and tower defense but i was told not to use combat tricks since theyre a bit of a waste in multiplayer.

>> No.57247957

>>57247943
more like a slightly reworded flicker

>> No.57247969

>>57247944
Alright. Try Leyline of Vitality and Spidersilk Armor then.

>> No.57247985

>>57247887
>rare
could be good in some situations, helps protect combo pieces i guess, might be able to loop it somehow but its most likely going to be a 30 cent rare by the time the set is released

>> No.57248000

>>57247944
Tower Defense is so nice with your strategy, though. 2 mana for a 5 power boost for everyone, almost double Overwhelm.

>> No.57248015

>>57248000
Buut you really need to work on that manabase and stuff to protect your team because you fold to the first wipe you meet. Jam Heroic Intervention or some stuff like that in there somewhere. And ramp, you need ramp.

>> No.57248023

>>57247672

There's a BudgetMTG YouTube commander deck with that guy, it's cheaper than yours and more fun.

Why dont you buy that one and upgrade/sidegrade as you see fit later on? You may not even like playing it. In the end you can always sell the whole deck for a fixed price, as its 20 something $

>> No.57248028

>>57247819
could you make some reccomendations by name?

>> No.57248032
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57248032

I NEED PICTURES

PICTURES OF LOOTERS IN RAKDOS COLORS

>> No.57248045

>>57248023
could you link it? also if its that treefolk tribal deck, im not super interested in making a tribal deck ( i already have 4 other tribal decks in MTG and im being a tiny bit burnt out on tribal)

>> No.57248052

any cards from rivals so far that you guys think will be good in edh?

>> No.57248088

>>57247943
>>57247957
Sort of both. I'd say more functionally similar to bounce than flicker, since it's still temporarily getting rid of something in a way that causes its owner to have to commit resources to getting it back.

It feels like it's a "new" bounce that's meant to be safe from discard shenanigans.

>> No.57248097
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>>57248032
here ya go brotato

>> No.57248112

>>57248097
I still don't see how that is a copter.

>> No.57248117

>>57248097
I SHOULD SPECIFY

NONPERMANENT SPELLS ARE ALSO FINE

>> No.57248119
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>>57248032

>> No.57248121

>>57248088
>It feels like it's a "new" bounce that's meant to be safe from discard shenanigans.
That being a downside would make it cheaper but it's 2U so eeeh

>>57248112
The bright thing behind it are the blades

>> No.57248142
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Arterial Flow
1BB
Sorcery
Each opponent discards two cards.

>> No.57248146

>>57248121
But isn't the blue part the cockpit? Are they upside down?

>> No.57248162

>>57248023
https://www.youtube.com/user/budgetmtgdecks

these guys are a little older and the game has evolved since they made these videos but they are decent still
https://www.youtube.com/user/TopAndGoProductions

this guy makes 2 dollar edh decks
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCihw55r7_vFXetLe1CZlv9A

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>>57248052

>> No.57248170

>>57248142
I'm guessing it says you drain for 2 if you have a vampire?

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>>57248032

>> No.57248196

>>57248028

No because I have 0 interest in that kind of playing / deck and I dont know any specific cards, but when I build a deck no matter what I follow some principles in any case.

First, you should have a plan to win and two other plans as well, and this means having the proper cards to do this. These cards should have some level of synergy as well.

Second you need mana ramp and mana advantage with things like Sol Ring, and take advantage of the dual lands as well.

Third, your commander should synnergize with your deck but should not be the only win condition, anyone clever enough will just kill it or worse, inmobilize it with some enchantment like darksteel mutation, making him useless.

Then you need negation and counterspell, either that or discard ( I like blue/black) to make your opponents short of options against you.

I see very little synnergy in your deck besides the obvious commander effect, with some random things here and there that are not bad for commander but are not specific to your deck either. I also fail to see how you intend to win games with your deck if we take the commander out.

The problem with that commander is that blue is generally the color with better defenders, but you can still take advantage of black counters and green tramples and buffs to creatures. White is the color I'm least familiar with but you could take advantage of its buffs and protection from colors. All your defenders are useless if they get removed or if they get blocked, you need hexproof and trample, because a 1/1 token shitter will negate all your high defense defenders.

What I mean is, imagine situations of actual strategy, like for example what will you do when someone grave pacts you, then generates 10 tokens, then kills them and you have to sacrifice 10 of your defenders. Do you have means to counter that? can you not depend on your creatures? what can you add that's not a creature to make your deck more solid?

>> No.57248200

>>57248170
Probably. The translation I copied left that out for some reason...

>> No.57248221

>>57248052
Etali, Ghalta, Zetalpa for NuOdric, Brass's Bounty and Pirate's Pillage in Wort (I'll try anyway) and Journey to Eternity in any Golgari deck for sure (I'm gonna try it in Mazirek).

>>57248146
Autopilot? I though the cockpit was behind that blue window in the top but you make a good point.

>>57248170
Yep

>> No.57248246

>>57248052
I think Ghave got some cool new toys.
Also Merfolk maybe?

>> No.57248281

>>57248142
>If you control a Vampire, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
>AND each opponent discards 2 cards

>1BB


>UN FUCKING COMMON

>> No.57248284

>>57248196
this is why i prefer making normal decks. 60 cards with four of each is so much fucking simple than this where i need to dig through aaall of magic for that one card that every person with an abzan deck needs because thats what you need and oh my god you cant even brew jank well.

>> No.57248285

>>57244165

Sounds interesting, have a list to share?

>> No.57248302
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>>57248117
winds of change
faithless looting
cathartic reunion
Ill-Gotten Gains
wheel of fortune
Anvil of Bogardan
Avaricious Dragon
Barbed Shocker
Bedlam Reveler
Burning Inquiry
Chandra Ablaze
Chandra, Flamecaller
Collective Defiance
Conqueror's Foothold
Control of the Court
Curse of Chaos
Dark Deal
Deal Broker
Dragon Mage
Epiphany Storm
Geier Reach Sanitarium
Goblin Lore
Hazoret's Monument
Incendiary Command
Jalum Tome
Knollspine Dragon (particularly good in rakdos)
Mad Prophet
Magus of the Wheel
Mask of Memory
Memory Jar
Mindless Automaton
Reforge the Soul
Runehorn Hellkite
Shattered Perception
Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded
Trading Post
Viashino Racketeer
Wheel of Fate

turns out its really easy to find a list if you just type "draw discard" into magiccards.info

do it yourself next time

>> No.57248324

>>57248284

Its easy you just have to know how you intend to win and then look for cards that benefit you.

Many deck building sites have a synergy part where you can see other cards that would go well with your deck. You dont have to know all of Magic just a start and then add and remove cards later.

Making 60 and 40 card decks is miles harder for me, not only do you have to know all of magic, but you must also decide how many of them to add.

>> No.57248332
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So I've got this budget-ish Ramos deck, I love the deck and the way it plays when things work right, but no matter what I've tried to change I swear to fuck my initial hands are playable maybe 1 out of 5 times. Despite having 39 lands, I almost NEVER draw enough lands in my opening hand. Despite adding TONS of mana rocks I almost NEVER have the right ramp.

I'm not sure what else I can change, if it's the deck or just insanely bad luck, and if I need to change anything at all.

Here's the list, if anyone could give me some tips I'd appreciate it greatly.

https://deckstats.net/deck-14852709-4a98d6a26e920878d31a2e4f9b4167cb.html

>> No.57248342

I want to build a fun control deck. Not a stax deck that just strangles the table but a cool control build that can counter or disrupt problem opponents before playing a solid finisher.

Anyone have ideas for what generals can be good for that?

>> No.57248348

>>57248324
my strategy is turning my creatures sideways and attacking. i do this about 20 times and if nothing happens i win. i wish i didnt put so many defenders but i dont know many other creatures with such huge toughness for a low cost. thats the crux of the issue.

>> No.57248362

>>57248302
Yeah but you did it for me :^)

>> No.57248364

>>57248342
talrand control into mass polymorph

tasigur control into gay combo shit or whatever

>> No.57248494

>>57248348

It doesnt matter what your preferred style is. I also enjoy creature decks, but this doesnt mean your strategy should be weak and simple. You need win conditions and cards that play well with eachother, with the benefit that you can only have one of them so it's easier deciding.

Just turning creatures sideways is not a good strategy if you can't draw creature cards, if the creatures get wiped, if the creatures are turned against you, if the creatures are blocked. You need strategy and cards to circumvent this.

It doesnt matter if a creature has a big number for low mana cost if that creature can be easily rendered useless, as I said for example if the opponent just creates shitty tokens and blocks you every time. What will you do then? do you have board wipes? do you have counterspells?

Splinter + liquidmetal coating is a good way in green to destroy all the opponent's lands, for example. You should think of things like these and integrate them into your deck so you have actual competitive chances. Otherwise your deck would be boring to play and to play against.

>> No.57248622

Are there any cards like Fireball & Exsanguinate that are not X spells but just big face burn or drain etc for like 6-10 mana

>> No.57248623

>>57244237
Looks neat but I idle lower power than average anon here so I can understand if the sentiment isn't shared.

>> No.57248655

>>57248622
Searing wind is 10 damage for nine mana

>> No.57248681

>>57248494
wait...competitive? I thought this was commander. i was under the assumption that EDH is literally just "Take cool cards you dont use and like into a deck" the format.

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what the fuck is this?

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>>57248705

>> No.57248727

>>57248705
what the fuck

>> No.57248736

>>57248720
oh jk it's shit

>> No.57248740

>>57248681

Competitive meaning having some chance to actually win and have fun in a challenging battle wether you win or lose, just having a chance, as opposed of making a boring deck.

Shitty cards are shitty in commander, but some cards work very well in commander and poorly in other formats. Nobody wants shitty cards and shitty decks can be made, which are boring and have no potential whatsoever.

>> No.57248742

>>57248705
>>57248720
That's pretty rad. If you have Azor himself out you can pretty much draw your deck in two attacks.

>> No.57248761

>>57248705

Wew lad this is pretty cool with green Omnath

>> No.57248785

>>57248681
Most people play commander at least somewhat casually but there's a big difference between casual and just bad. If you make a shitty deck you're just going to get stomped over and over and your opponents aren't even going to want to play against it because it'll just be boring for everybody. Have you played magic at all before?

>>57248705
>>57248720
This is pretty sick, all you need is a couple of untap options and you can start pumping out game winning mana by like turn 3 or so.

>> No.57248858

I want all the turn 1 & turn 2 ramp that exists hit me fellas

>> No.57248860

>>57248720
Too bad they changed split cards, or that'd be a fun interaction.

>> No.57248882
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>mfw Jund Curses
Way more fun than I thought it would be.

>> No.57248883

>>57248705
>>57248720
the front of the card is dog shit and makes this completely unplayable

>> No.57248895

>>57248882
Curses are really cool in general and I hope they keep getting support

>> No.57248933

>>57248720
Even without the "flip into game winning land" part this is a 2 mana artifact that lets you practically loot every turn.

It's going right into my Kozilek deck, thats for sure.

>> No.57248939

>>57248858
https://scryfall.com/advanced

>> No.57248950

>>57248883
It's a cheap looter. Ignore the transform condition entirely and it's still mostly fine.

>> No.57248964

>>57248883
>A 2 mana card that lets you filter your hand and flips into a 20+ mana producing land is shit

Yikes, someone doesn't see value.

>> No.57248973

>>57248950
there are better looters that dont require you to exile cards and there are better looters that you can use multiple times in one turn without having to do some untapping bullshit

awful card and a complete waste of a mythic slot

>> No.57248974

>>57244178
I've played both and Rakdos, Lord of not Sucking is amazing. The deck makes you archenemy real quick and I had to retire mine for just that reason. Don't forget the infinite damage combo you can do with him!

>> No.57248998

>>57248964
>guys in 5 turns ill have some massive value assuming someone doesnt blow this up in FIVE turns and i manage to get enough card draw to use this ability every turn for FIVE turns but dont worry, some extra mana FIVE turns from now that i could have easily gotten faster with like a billion other combos will totally pay off FIVE turns from now just dont blow it up in FIVE turns

>> No.57249003

>>57248720
>>57248705

no way in hell this sticks around for long enough to flip in edh or doesn't catch an immediate field of ruin in standard

BUT IT WOULD BE COOL AS FUCK IF IT DID

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>>57248362
>Yeah but you did it for me :^)

>> No.57249056

>>57247634
Anon reread what he posted, you're misreading it

>> No.57249060

>>57248998
the point that he is trying to make is that the looting on its own is legitimately good. In monowhite the card is definitely playable, even if it didn't flip. When it does flip its obviously going to do some nuts shit.

>> No.57249075

>>57247628
Sudden spoiling stops creature combos (and big swings), krosan grip diddles artifact combos. Both have split second, so you can be fairly safe casting them if priority is ever passed to you.

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>> No.57249173

>>57249141
Why does wizards constantly print these stupidly expensive card draw things that are never ever good. It'd be tolerable if it was like 2 or 3 mana

>> No.57249223

>>57249173
A few reasons, but mostly standard and limited.

Honestly, if it was tormenting voice on a land for 4 colourless I'd play the fuck out of it. Really, they need to stop this needless tapping as part of costs. If you want someone to use something once per turn it's easy, slap 3 symbols of the same colour beside it, or two of one colour, and one of another. aNo one is going to have enough coloured mana to abuse it in competitive formats, and if they do, they can use the effect like twice before they run out of gas.

>> No.57249267

>>57249173
because wizards thinks that purposefully designing bad cards is good game design. its the same reason why over 50% of the cards in any given set are unplayable garbage in anything other than limited

>> No.57249281

>>57248998
>assuming decks that run this will only be activating it once per turn.

Derevi and untap effects exist.

And even then, this is still looting for mono red or white decks that if left unanswered flips into an insane land.

For 2 mana to play and 1 to activate this card really doesn't require huge investment and already can pay off in the long run.

>> No.57249284 [SPOILER] 
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>>57244124
psst!

Hey kid.

Wanna make a bunch of strong artifact creatures really easy? i have a cheap strategy right here. Show your secret techs and i will show mine. It's totally legal.

>> No.57249291

>>57249173
Wizards also thinks a set has to have vanilla creatures to be designed well. RnD is just fucking stupid anon.

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>>57244636
Are you joking?

>> No.57249332

>>57249141
>>57248720
>>57248705

Damn, Rivals just keeps giving me new toys for my Kozilek deck. I freaking love this set.

>> No.57249336

>>57249223
>>57249267
I get that, but it'd still be bad if it was just a little less bad. If it was like 2 colorless to draw a card it'd be okay at best. 3 it'd be bad but in a pinch, maybe in mono white or something, it'd still be bad but could have a place. The tap cost is enough. And its a rare too. They don't just make bad or mediocre cards, they make unplayable shit that nobody wants. They're literally just wasting cardboard.

>> No.57249355

>>57249173
Because Bazaar of Bagdad

>> No.57249376

>>57249336
>They're literally just wasting cardboard.
yes and wizards thinks that printing literal wastes of cardboard is good set design honestly im surprised it didnt cost 7 mana. they thing that the most dog shit literally worthless cards you pull the more you will want to keep cracking packs to get that one card in the set that isnt dog shit

>> No.57249378

>>57245135
goin into riku

>> No.57249389

>>57249355
bazaar isnt even really that good and no one thought it was even playable for most of its existence. if the reserve list didnt exist you would see it printed literally all the time

>> No.57249390

>>57248882
>jund curses
>not the superior esper curses

>> No.57249407

>>57249389
>bazaar isnt even really that good
Sure. Library of Alexandria is also a testament.

>> No.57249411
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>>57249390
>not sacrificing Curses in exchange for favors

>> No.57249438

>>57249407
library is actually a good card though. bazaar is played in 1 deck and is barely in some fringe decks

>> No.57249460

>>57249173
Colorless, repeatable card draw from an uncounterable source kind of needs to be expensive. You want this to cost 2 or 3, but Mikokoro (which holds value for good reason) costs 2 to activate and gives EVERYONE a card. Geier Reach Sanitarium is also used as a land that draws cards, and it costs 2 to activate, but it's both global like Mikokoro and a loot rather than a flat draw. Sea Gate Wreckage is marginal, but costs 3 (including an obligate colorless) and requires you to be hellbent.

Based on how every card with the mechanic is cost, I feel like Ascend is expected to be WAY easier to gain than Hellbent is to maintain, which means that Arch *should* be tougher to activate than Sea Gate Wreckage.

However, I don't think many EDH players run Jayemdae Tome anymore (4 to activate for colorless card draw). But then the Tome costs 4 to drop as well, so even if you count Arch's activation cost as a virtual 6 when comparing with tome (since you also lose out on tapping Arch for mana, a trait it shares with Mikokoro, Geier Reach, and Sea Gate Wreckage but not Jayemdae Tome) the total mana per card is in favor of Arch until you draw your third off either

It probably could have been cheaper (4 and no need for Ascend, say), but at 2 it would have been insane and pretty much an auto-include for colors with weaker draw engines. Maybe even for all decks, since it only takes a land slot.

As it is, it's going to grind like a champ, particularly (oddly enough) in u/x control builds that want to keep up counter mana.

>> No.57249462
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How many board wipes is too many?

>> No.57249465

>>57249438
The point is having a draw ability on a land NEEDS to be incredibly tame, lest we have another Library. You will /never/ see a land that lets you tap for a draw that doesn't cost at least 3-4 mana.

>> No.57249468

Is Hidden Strings good in a deck with blue, that cares about tap abilities and being able to untap?

I don't remember peoples' Kraj decklists.

>Cyclonic Rift is a $7-8 card
I'm a whiny baby. I've put off getting one,
may as get one now.

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>>57249462
I swear it was upright three seconds before I posted it.

>> No.57249478

>>57249462
>Asks this at 7 wipes

Your kung fu is weak. I want to see you double that, and throw in MLDs to boot.

>> No.57249510

>>57249465
ya 3 or 4 mana is fine but having to do stupid shit like have 10 perminates out pay 5 mana, then tap is fucking stupid and a pointless card that should never be printed and anyone who suggested it or approved it fired

>> No.57249517

>>57249476
i have 16 in my zurgo deck and some armageddon and obliterate type effects

>> No.57249520

>>57249056
The only ones guaranteed to be sacrificed are 5+ power ones. And for tokens, I got ratchet bomb, I can see it being used as a secondary option for playgroups filled with tokens, but it's not for me.

>> No.57249541

>>57249137
dear god thats bad

>> No.57249554

>>57249284
You forgot the altar.

>> No.57249558

>>57246520
J U S T

>> No.57249591

>>57246520
what the fuck even is this card?

>> No.57249650

>>57249284
Pfft I can see your shitty expensive token army for 12 mana and bring the motherfucking ruckus at that cost.

Venser, Shaper Savant
Panharmonicon
Brago
So right here I'm at 12 mana, but let's take it one step further.
swap Panharmonicon for Strionic Resonator and Sol Ring

>> No.57249812
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57249812

I hope next time we go to Ravnica we get Masterpieces of Legendary Ravnicans.

>> No.57249821

>>57249460
Alright pal, since you're so design savvy explain this shit >>57246520

>> No.57249848

>>57249462
sometimes 1 can be too many, other times you want like 9

really depends on the deck

>> No.57249893

>>57249821
>Boros is shit and must always remain shit.

Am I close?

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>>57249812
>implying you would get something you actually want and not teysassssssss

>> No.57249913

>>57249848
>sometimes 1 can be too many
thats only the case in some turn 3 competitive combo decks any 75% deck should be running at least 1 or 2 as a reset button

>> No.57249938

>>57249173
Ok anon, let's talk about lands that draw cards.
>library of alexandria, fucking cracked in half outrageously good and legacy banned, 0 mana, with the awkward rider that you must be at 7 cards to draw
>sea gate wreckage, playable in modern despite severe casting restrictions of being hellbent and MORE colorless mana to put in, 3 mana
>desolate lighthouse, just loots you a card, you don't even get real card advantage, sees play in modern, for 3 mana including the awkward casting cost of RU1
2 or 3 mana to draw a card repeatably at instant speed is very very very good. If wizards was dumb enough to make the card you are talking about, it would see absurd amount of play, probably in every format outside vintage. Possibly also in vintage. Standard would be broken. Every card like this is quite powerful because there is very little cost to running one colorless land usually, and then a usually pretty nullslot late game becomes card advantage.

The card is decent, and you don't understand magic design or power levels.

>> No.57249942

>>57249913
even a single board wipe is too much for a deck like krenko. some decks simply have to commit to winning with the first board they build, and can't hope to win after pressing the reset button

>> No.57249962

>>57249821
It's for enrage dinos, and honestly is pretty sweet with enrage dinos? It's just not for your token decks, bud.

>> No.57249970

>>57249812
>TFW you know in your heart you would love it but you know they would masterpiece only the new iterations of the guild champion and leaders which will be terrible like all recent legends have been.

I dont want to live in that world...

>> No.57250015

>>57249942
even krenko runs blasphemous act, sometimes you really cant deal with something like elesh norn, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, phyrexian revoker, archfiend of depravity.
though in krekno's case he can always run goblin sharpshooter + deathtouch as a fuck you to creatures

>> No.57250099

>>57250015
if elesh norn hits the board, you've most likely already lost, even if you cast a board wipe

>> No.57250110

>>57249970
If they did two sets of Ravnica, with 25 Masterpieces each, they could easily fit the new guys and some portion of the old.

Assume two new cycles taking up 20 of the slots, that's 30 slots to work with. Skip some of the shit ones like Sisters of Stone Death and Chorus of the Conclave and you wouldn't have any trouble at all.

>>57249901
They were mostly on the ball with Inventions and Expeditions. Invocations fizzled out because they didn't have a good core theme to work with but "Guild Legends" is about as straightforward as possible. They'd probably either print a new Teysa or print original Teysa with an updated outfit.

>> No.57250133
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>>57244124
speaking of no fun allowed

>> No.57250157

>>57250133
this seems quite crazy

it even cantrips for some reason lmfao

>> No.57250179
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57250179

>imblying red doesn't get good cards

>> No.57250200

>>57250133
Seems alright though niche. The problematic lands in EDH usually are from mana abilities.

>> No.57250205

>>57250133

Rip in peace, fetches

>> No.57250206
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57250206

Disfigure is back, more or less.

>> No.57250223

>>57250206
straight into my mizzix

>> No.57250233
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57250233

I swear, every time they reprint one of the basic counterspells the artist is instructed to always use more colors in the art than the last printing.

>> No.57250242
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>>57250223
I think you missed.

>> No.57250282

>>57250110
Assuming every guild did get three old legends to print as masterpieces, which ones would you guys pick for your guild?

>> No.57250347
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>>57250133
>run this
>blood moon
>back to basics
>magus of the moon
Fuck you and your expensive lands JOHN.

>> No.57250361

>>57246520
I just can’t fathom why wizards hates Boros so much

>> No.57250362

>>57250133
I like it.

>> No.57250367

>>57250133
might need this for gay dudes
only I will have no max hand size
fuck your reliquary towers

>> No.57250374

>>57250282
What you're really asking is "Which Niv-Mizzet do you think they should print?", cause nobody is going to pick Tibor and Lumia.

>> No.57250387

>>57250133
This doesn't have the story indicator, so is it actually implying anything or just flavor for flavor?

>> No.57250435

>>57248142
I want to fuck that vampire

>> No.57250497

>>57249821
>Alright pal, since you're so design savvy explain this shit
Something Design/Development fucking hates Boros.

I mean, the flip side isn't actually that bad (outside EDH at least), both abilities are fairly cheap for repeatable activated abilities on a land -- yes, even the random destruction it's repeatable CA and if you use it after combat you can eliminate anything you can just fucking eat with blocks from the RNG. If your opponent doesn't come at you and eat losses, you progress your clock on their end step, which is a good place to be in since it means you win at parity. And at least random is better than letting your opponent choose and sac a creature that attacked.

But first of all, it's not just a land you can drop. If it was, it would be OP as shit (even if it tapped for colorless instead of any color). It comes out as an enchantment which can be countered or removed way easier than Arch

Second, the flip condition is asinine. The Enchantment to Land flips in Ixalan could be demanding, but other than Arguel's (which had a decent front side) they tended to be things you would reliably and safely want to do, and led naturally into the "Payoff" land. Like Itlimoc needs you to have creatures but the flipside is Cradle so you wanted to have a good creature count anyway. Spitfire Bastion needs three spells, but its clearly intended for Burn and helps round out the game when you blow your hand. Azcanta only needs threshold and Adanto, Batallion while giving you a disposable token to start with.

To flip path to Metzali you need two thirds of the requirement to flip Adanto, and you don't get the freebie Adanto gives you, so it's basically the same "Investment". Add into that, your pool of potential triggering creatures is massively reduced. [First/Double] Strike, Vigilance, and Haste are good, but marginally uncommon abilities, so you can't just throw chaff under the bus.

>> No.57250502

>>57250133
ravnica bouncelands enter untapped without the bounce :^)

>> No.57250513

>>57250497
There's also the issue that Metzali has no home. It's red-white, but it really wants to be playing the attrition game, which Boros is shit at and the requirement to have plenty of fast, aggressive creatures in your deck to get the flip actively works against. Contrast this with Vance's Blasting Cannons, which while not the best of the flip enchantments at least knows where it belongs: at the top of a burn deck's curve, gasing it up on either side.

I decided to do a little searching to see if there was a Commander who could break the conundrum of dissynergy between the kind of deck you need to flip Path and the kind of deck that profits from Metzali -- ideally by granting one of Path's abilities to team so you can flip it with junk and keep on grinding. Anax and Cymede and Iroas grant the wrong abilities. Iizuka the Ruthless is trapped in monored. Johan doesn't technically grant vigilance. Odric and Rashka Golden Cub also fall short on colors.

One commander can do it: Motherfucking Samut. So, ok, in Samut you can flip Path of Mettle with any two creatures (or Samut+1 ir you want) and get Metzali.

Was it worth it? Probably not. Samut still doesn't really want to be the deck that Metzali wants to exist; something that would be happy sitting back and presenting a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario where you bleed your opponent's board if they come at you and chip their life away if they don't.

There was one other option, and the most promising: Shu Yun. Path even sets him off the first time through. But to flip to Metzali in Shu Yun will cost you at least 6, more likely 7 or more, in a single turn (2 for Path, 4 for the Shu Yun triggers, and likely 1 or more for the second noncreature), at least 6 of it colored. Metzali isn't THAT stronk.

>> No.57250525

>>57250502
oh fug

>> No.57250543

>>57250133
I like it! I think I still prefer Moon to shut down greedy manabases, but the cantrip is a very nice touch.

>> No.57250579

>>57250502
No, they still enter tapped. The "~ enters the battlefield tapped" ability is a replacement effect that applies before the land actually enters the battlefield, so it applies before the land would be affected. This same exact situation happens with Blood Moon too.

Still, you're correct that it won't bounce anything.

>> No.57250626 [SPOILER] 
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WHEN

>> No.57250642

>>57250579
you're right

gotta play amulet too

time to build 5c karoos :^)

>> No.57250672

>>57250579
Actually you are fucking wrong as hell.

Don't take it too hard though, they changed the rules for this only a few months back. Yes, that means that you do funny shit with blood moon and dark depths.

>> No.57250733

>>57250133
love it

>> No.57250755

>>57250672
what rule did they change?

>> No.57250781

>>57250755
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/iconic-masters-release-notes-2017-09-11

>If a nonbasic land has an ability that applies "as [this land] enters the battlefield" or that causes it to enter the battlefield tapped or with counters, the land will lose that ability before it applies. This is a change from previous rules.

>> No.57250782

>>57250672
>>57250755
Oh, I hadn't noticed that. Looks like that translated over to Humility style effects too, since Overwhelming Splendor got a ruling update about it too.

>> No.57250814
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Enrage enabler or deathtouch strats? You decide!

>> No.57250815
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>>57250781
>Blood Sun Ramp

>> No.57250867

>flicking through my folders looking at what I would put into oona
>hmm lazav that would be great but it's a nonbo
>wait... lazav
>start thinking if all the shenanigans can do with lazav
>oona instantly benched

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57250898

>>57250867
>lazav
gross

>> No.57250916

>>57248119
These goblins look a lot like monkeys

>> No.57250958

>>57248860
Did they used to count as having either/both converted Mana costs?

>> No.57250998

>>57250916
Yeah, Goblins are apparently very, very adaptable. They change to suit different planes more than most races. You get the monkey goblins on Ixalan, little yeti looking fuckers in Tarkir, the rodent goblins in Jund, etc.

>> No.57251023

>>57250958
Anywhere but the stack they were counted as having both separate mana costs. Now it's just one combined mana cost.

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>>57249141
>It's another land that expects you to spend way too much mana to draw a card

>>57249173
Dunno anon, I suppose not all lands can be Cabal Coffers or Nykthos

>> No.57251055

>>57250898
And why is that gross

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>>57250998
>>57250916
they come in all forms

>> No.57251073

>>57251055
>lazav
>relying on your opponents to have something you want

>> No.57251120

>>57251073
The people I play with have all sorts of neat shit that can hit their graveyards. Do you just play with people running narset no creatures?

>> No.57251141

>>57251061
Mirran Goblins are pretty weird. The Mirrodin Block Goblins are very different from the Scars Block Goblins.

>> No.57251147

>>57251120
theres only one big fat fatty deck in our meta and its mine everyone else is playing artifacts, spell slinger, voltron or tribal

>> No.57251181

>>57250814
With Bow of Nylea out, this guy becomes a real killer.

>> No.57251201

>>57249309
"WHY YOU LITTLE!"

>> No.57251226

>>57250867
what exactly are you going to do with him? voltron?

>> No.57251250

>>57249901
>not loving overcosted teysa
It's like you don't even play Casual Queen Marchesa Pillowfort with a royalty subtheme.

>> No.57251272

>>57250815
"Joey your deck is nothing but 5+ cost creatures"

>> No.57251285

>>57249848
How many wastes should you have for a colorless commander like Emrakul, the Promised End? In general, any colorless land that does something other than make mana would be better, but i'm thinking that it would be a good idea to keep some basic lands in there so as to not get hosed by certain effects.

>> No.57251287

>>57251250
call it what you will but that sounds more like facesitting.dek than anything else

>> No.57251366

>>57249970
>implying a huge chunk of the Rav 1.0 legends weren't fucking awful

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>>57250133

>> No.57251415

>>57251285
well, consider it that way

>100% of your lands are nonbasics
>someone casts ruination
>you're fucked

>50% of your lands are wastes and the rest are nonbasics
>someone casts ruination
>you're still almost entirely as fucked since you'll never be able to cast anything relevant for the rest of the game

i say, go for a nonbasic over a wastes every time unless the nonbasic's effect is almost completely irrelevant

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>>57251287
>>57251250
I know im missing some

>> No.57251463

>>57251457
cut lilly then we will talk

>> No.57251467

>>57251285
>>57251415
I think you should run like half a dozen wastes or so. That way if someone drops a wave of vitriol, a veteran explorer, or paths one of your creatures you can still get some benefit.

I don't think its so much a "ratio" since you are still going to get completely fucked by ruination or back to basics or whatever, its more like not being fucked into failing to find for a bunch of effects.

>> No.57251483

>>57250133
>Boros gets shit for it's land, but makes up for it by denying everyone else their fun lands.
I swear the only way to play that shit is to make it as miserable to play against as it is to play with.

>> No.57251492
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57251492

but really, who would play these cards?

>> No.57251502

>>57251492
someone also playing aetherflux reservoir, perhaps

>> No.57251511

>>57251457
Avacyn, Basandra, Gisela 1.0, masterpiece platinum angel.

>> No.57251519

>>57251492
oloro
might not be so bad tap pay 1 draw a card and each opponent loses life

>> No.57251521
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57251521

>>57251502
true, it does work in karlov too

>> No.57251532

>>57251519
specifically mentor the other is just a combo piece

>> No.57251555

>>57251511
>Avacyn
no
>Basandra
yes
>Gisela 1.0
meh
>masterpiece platinum angel.
MOST DEF

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>>57251457
>>57251463
>>57251511
updated

>> No.57251606

>>57251285
>>57251415
>>57251467
Run just enough Wastes that you can trust Solemn Simulacrum or other colorless "basic lands matter" style ramp.

>> No.57251620

>>57251605
>phage
i dont know how this makes me feel

>> No.57251625

>>57251492
Isn't there a card that says you win if you have 100 life or something?

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>>57251625

>> No.57251636

>>57244124
Is Maro /ourguy/?
dnearn asked: What's with all the pirates being female?

We aim for there being an overall mix of males and females in card illustrations in a set at 50/50. That means it’s possible for some subsets to lean one way or other other.

Interestingly, when it leans towards females, I often get the question, “Why so many females?” Yet when it leans towards males, no one ever asks.

>> No.57251671

>>57251636
>Is Maro /ourguy/?
yes he is, and actually goes to my synagogue.

>> No.57251674

>>57251636
Someone really should ask him something like >>57246752 but reworded slightly because -fag will probably get you instabanned.

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>>57251625
>>57251632

>> No.57251687
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57251687

>>57251457
>>57251605

>> No.57251701

>>57251687
>he doesnt want jaya or thalia to put her hole on his face
what are you some kind of fag?

>> No.57251715

>>57248246
What did Ghave get? The explore enchantment? And the strictly better Verdant force?

>> No.57251768
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counterspell

>> No.57251803
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57251803

>>57251605
A fine collection of qt's I'd love to sit on my face. Flip Avacyn also outta be in there too!

>> No.57251862

>>57250233
I actually like this art, at least better than the other Negate art's we've had. Probably going to use this one from now on.

>> No.57251863

>>57249336
If it was only 2 mana, it would be $50+ card. Mikokoro is 2 and it's played like motherfucker, even when it has the drawback.

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>>57251803
you have convinced me

also we need more mono black waifus that are legal (im so sorry braids i cant put you on this list)

>> No.57251903

>>57251457
>mardu are the colors of facesitting

truly a patrician combination.

>> No.57251987
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>>57251457
your devotion is admirable, but you are like little baby

watch this

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>>57251882
>not having the legendary serra angel

>> No.57252091

>>57251987
>Having Pervert Hazoret

I like your style friend.

>> No.57252092

>>57251987
>coloreds
>animals
>monstergirls
>thin girls with no chest
you must have misunderstood me im looking for facesitting
although that boros archangel looks good...

>> No.57252118

>>57252092
>not wanting elesh norn to sit on your face
i see i share this thread with plebs
>>57252091
you excluded

>> No.57252126

>>57251987
>Michiko
>Maralen
>Furries
>Fucking BRIGID

No, you have the shittiest fucking opinion. A vageen does not a waifu make. You disgust me.

>> No.57252141

>>57252118
>elesh norn to sit on your face
do you even know what kind of equipment is down there if anything?

>> No.57252153

>>57252126
this

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>>57252141
i think i have an idea

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57252189

>>57252168
bwaaaaaah!

>> No.57252224

>>57251987
>Brigid
>Emrakuna
>Emrasela

y.

>> No.57252231

>>57252224
the thirst is real

>> No.57252263

>people discussing face sitting with no atraxa

this thread disgusts me

>> No.57252276

>>57252263
Sorry, I only fap to qt's sitting on my face.

>> No.57252301

>>57252263
>>people discussing face sitting with no atraxa
sorry brah not in the right colors
get me a 5c facesitting legend and we will talk

>> No.57252331

>>57251987
Thanks for making my angel kink look normal, Anon.

>> No.57252336

>>57252301
>not the nuke baby

>> No.57252343
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57252343

>>57252276
>Not liking Magical Phyrexian Idol, Atraxa-chan

I have to report you to the good taste police.

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57252355

>>57252301
Hey bro, wanna buy a 5c face sitting deck?

>> No.57252362

>>57252343
I'm sorry anon, but with all those, spikes, she's just not good facesitting material.

>> No.57252377

>>57252336
you are fucking disgusting
>>57252355
ok well can i get at least one ally that goes in the deck that fits the theme?

>> No.57252403

>>57252355
gen is a girl?
i dont know how i feel about this...

>> No.57252421
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57252421

OH SHIT, IT'S REAL

>> No.57252437

>>57252377
All jokes aside, Karona is bretty gud. She even has the legs spread already.
Besides, her sitting on your face equals three (3) pretty girls sitting simultaneously. Can't beat that, except off.

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57252461

>>57252421

>> No.57252472

>>57252437
That sounds great!

>> No.57252481

>>57252362
See, that's your problem. You are not compleate. When you're a servant of phyrexia those spikes are gentle and full of love.

>>57252421
>We Pokemon TCG now

>> No.57252488

>>57252421
Only the second ability seems good but at least it's virtually free.

>> No.57252489

>>57252421
Needs those cards that untap every turn

>> No.57252492
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>>57252421
>untaps 9 lands on ETB with white in it's identity.

>> No.57252518

>>57252421
C L O U D
S T O N E
C U R I O

>> No.57252522

>>57252492
On cast, get that thing back in your pants

>> No.57252534

>>57252492
>if you cast it

>> No.57252535

>>57252492
>with white in it's identity
why is this significant?

>> No.57252547

>>57252421
Friendship ended with Gishanth
Now Zacama is my best friend

>> No.57252548

>>57252343
The only thing that saddens me is knowing we are going back to dominaria see the phyrexians, but we aren't going to see atraxa.

>> No.57252555

>>57252534
>>57252522
meet
>>57252518

>> No.57252557

>>57252535
anon mistakenly assumed the cast trigger was an ETB and wanted to flicker it

>> No.57252568

>>57252535
probably thinking about blink effects.
Anon is an idiot though and did not read the whole card though, so he missed "on cast"

>> No.57252589

>>57252522
>>57252534
What the fuck, I totally missed that. Why in the fuck would they decide to make it an On cast AND ETB?

>> No.57252592

>>57252518
>if you cast it

if you STILL have 9 lands open after casting whatever you wanted to cast before curioing Zakama out, why the fuck didn't you win yet.

>> No.57252608

>>57252547
i think i'd still rather use gishath as a dino commander

this is a different beast entirely

>> No.57252617

>>57252589
So you can't try him for 0 mana while an opponent wastes a counter

>> No.57252618

>>57252555
and?

I see infinite mana, if you 10 lands. which is neat i guess?

>> No.57252641

>>57252589
We Yugioh now.

>> No.57252644

>>57252608
it's as versatile as Marath and once it hits the field it's free (and better with ravnica bouncelands/karoos).

>> No.57252658

>>57252644
those lands don't actually make it better though

it untaps all your lands anyway

what

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>>57252589
Because sneak attack?

>> No.57252680

>>57252618
>>57252555
Which I guess is a OHKO just with the cloudstone

What is the earliest you could get enough land to generate 10 mana

>> No.57252694

>>57252658
ah, shit, sorry.

I'm still in Riku mode.

>> No.57252702

>>57252589
so that:
a). you don't get to untap all your lands if it's cheated in or flickered
b). you don't get to untap all your lands if you cast it and it gets countered

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57252703

>>57252421
ayo hold up

>> No.57252708

>>57252680
No I am stupid

Ignore me, its a fucking target creature only.


WOOPS

>> No.57252738

>>57252421
If it didn't have the untap lands etb, it would've been worthless

>> No.57252769

>>57252738
you are correct

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57252773

>>57252421
So the way I see it:

>cast zacama from hand, untap lands, get free fatty

OR

>connect with gishath, reveal zacama, get free fatty

I like free fatties.

>> No.57252774

>>57252421
>it doesnt have haste

i mean its cool but without having haste its just gonna be blown up before you can do anything with it

>> No.57252782

>>57252703
Tapping lands doesn't go on stack so you cannot float them all before untapping once more.

>> No.57252788

>>57252738
yeah and if snapcaster didn't have an etb it'd also be pretty bad, what is your point lmao

>> No.57252789
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57252789

Let's reprint diabolic tutor.

But better.

>> No.57252812

>>57252774
and then your opponents have used removal on your commander that you effectively paid zero mana for and can cast again in a few turns

>> No.57252831

>>57252789
>from outside the game
I'm tired of your shit wizards.

>> No.57252835

>>57252774
His activated abilities aren't tap abilities, so he can at least destroy up to three enchantments and/or deal up to 9 damage before returning to the command zone.

>> No.57252841

>>57252782
yes you can?

>zacama enters battlefield
>his etb goes on the stack
>panharmonicon triggers and a copy of the etb goes on the stack
>tap all your untapped lands
>resolve panharmonicon etb trigger, untapping all your lands
>tap all your lands again
>resolve the original zacama etb trigger, untapping your lands again
>tap all your lands once more to cast whatever

zacama does look decently strong but i can't help but fear he'd be kind of boring to play after a while

>> No.57252848

>>57252774
You must be in the wrong thread son, whats good about this guy isn't his power and toughness, its his abilities. You cast him and then blow up all of their relevant shit in the same turn because of the untap trigger.

>> No.57252856

>>57252849
>>57252849
>>57252849

>> No.57252891

>>57252788
snapcaster would still be a 2/1 wizard with flash for only 2 mana, while that dinosaur is a 9/9 for 9, without haste with a bunch of mana-intensive abilities.

I'm glad it'll be a cheap commander card

>> No.57252929

>>57252589
Because cheating the fucker in would be insane

>> No.57252964

>>57252782
What?

>> No.57252967

>>57252891
>2/1 wizards with flash for 2
>playable
It wouldn't be playable even if it costed 0.

>> No.57253560

>>57252789
Sideboards when?

>> No.57253600

>>57251632
How does this work in formats where you start at 40 life?

>> No.57253658

>>57253600
No official changes so deal damage to them before their next upkeep lmao

>> No.57254806

>>57251987
>Quantity
>instead of quality
why u do dis?

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