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>> No.56902389
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56902389

>>56902375
The Warmaster epub when?

>> No.56902412

>>56902373 #
Actually Battlescribe has the points on the baneblade wrong. I'm 13 points under.

>> No.56902420
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>>56902375
For [email protected]

>> No.56902422

I need an easy paint scheme that doesn't match any existing hive fleet. Any ideas?

>> No.56902423

So I feel like I'm missing something here.

I want to take a Techmarine with a Conversion Beamer but the option doesn't exist in the Codex. Do I use the Conversion Beamer and points found in the index and apply it to the Codex profile or do I use the full Techmarine profile and points found in the index?

>> No.56902425

Nth for our Tyranid overlords

>what could i do to make this list better for a local tourney?

>> No.56902428
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Nth for angry Black Templar.

>> No.56902439

>>56902428
OK

>> No.56902440
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Should I run 2x 5man Havocs with all Heavy Bolters or Autocannons?

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56902446

>>56902422
This.

>> No.56902447

>>56902423
apply conversion beamer points in index and apply to codex techmarine

>> No.56902448
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>>56902389
Whenever you buy it yourself

>> No.56902449
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56902449

What's the best tablesize for 1500?

What's the best tablesize for 2000?

>> No.56902460

>>56902423
I think you use the Index. It's the same way with the Autarch -- you -can- take the index options and whatnot, but since they don't sell models with those parts, they aren't in the codexes.

>> No.56902463

>>56902423
You use all of the most updated points values and rules, then add the conversion beamer and remove what it replaces

>> No.56902466
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56902466

>>56902440
What is with the Iron Warriors obsession with hazard stripes?

>> No.56902470

>>56902448
The absolute state of the average American

>> No.56902474

>>56902449
3x3 Necromumda terrain.

>> No.56902477

>>56902460
You use the Conversion Beamer points from the index and apply it, I mean

>> No.56902478

>>56902440
Autocannons are for slack jawed faggots.

Heavy bolters are for god damn sexual tyrannosaruses.

>> No.56902488

>>56902449
Depends on the armies.

>> No.56902491

>>56902466
Safety first, battle brothers

>> No.56902497

>>56902466
They want you to be careful!

>> No.56902500

>>56902466
It's a defense mechanism to show that it is poisonous to possible predators

>> No.56902504

>>56902466
They're dangerous yet concerned with health and safety anon.

>> No.56902505

>>56902466
they look cool

>> No.56902511

>>56902470
I take offense to that, the average american would be the one raping the manatees.

>> No.56902518

>>56902449
4x6, 4X8.

4x6 is still good for both.

>> No.56902529

>>56902422
Caliban green with a layer of moot green edged with Flash Gitz yellow

>> No.56902541

>>56902511
Oh the huge...manatee?

>> No.56902542

>>56902478
i wish catachan had updated models, id love to make a patrol detachment around dutch and co.

>> No.56902552

>>56902466
Perty made them standard after having his Legion confused with the Iron Hands one too many times.

>> No.56902562

>>56902529
Give them hoods, some robes and a lot of bio plaama. Watch as you piss off every dark angels player in your region.

>> No.56902564

>>56902518
>Not 4x4 forcing horde armies to either gimp their movement or keep more off the table.

>> No.56902566

Hey, I'm the person from a few threads back interested in playing Deathwatch. I was hoping to get some advice/suggestions on what to pick up for a 2000 point list.

>> No.56902570

>>56902466
Imperial historians attribute the stripes as an old terran ritual made by DAoT humans to enhance the energy output and increase power in the machinery, Perturabo took this at heart and include it into his legion colours

>> No.56902594

>>56902562
Caliban Green is my favorite green. I find myself using it a lot less recently in exchange for warpstone glow

>> No.56902604

>>56902400

Oh shit, not that guy but that looks great. How are Dreads with the new book? Still too expensive?

I've never had a Marine army before but seriously looking at going whole hog into BA purchases.

>> No.56902605

>>56902552
>Perty. You just decimated my forces. Again

>Sorry Ferrus...

>No. Sorry doesn't cut it Perty. It's the twelfth time.

>Jeez. Don't lose your head over this Ferrus. I guess I'll just paint some hazard stripes on my men so I know who is fair game for decimation.

>> No.56902607

>>56902594
Use it to make Dark Angelnids.

>> No.56902620

>>56902604
they are pretty decent actually. especially with the magna grappler

>> No.56902628

Are imperial guard still top dogs after chaper approved are marines, chaos or eldar now better?

>> No.56902656
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>>56902422

>> No.56902680

>>56902628
Marines suck this edition besides primarch spam

>> No.56902681

Why aren't haywire/heat lances (even though both are terrible atm) available on kabalites/trueborn? The stems are 100% compatible like all deldar models. Why is there no infantry portable disintegrator? Fuck, lances are significantly larger than Dizzies.

Will deldar ever get love?

>> No.56902685

>>56902542
There's a joke about Orks and "getting to da choppaaaa" in here somewhere.

>> No.56902696

Post yfw Magnus and Morty get buffed in Chaos Daemons book,

>> No.56902697
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What sort of bonuses would you give to Genestealer Cults as their 'chapter tactics' stand in?

Do you think they will have multiple choices, like Space Marines/Guard etc or will they have a single, more powerful bonus like Death Guard or Blood Angels etc?

Do you think they will have bonuses for Brood Brothers?

>> No.56902707

>>56902681
>Will deldar ever get love?

lol no

>> No.56902708
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Whats a good paint scheme for Eldar Corsairs? I'm thinking of going with pic related but it doesn't seem very fluffy

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Space reptiles and amphibians when?

>> No.56902732

>TFW I want to run an entire force of fallen, but use the dark angel codex for them.

Would it be triggering If I used Cypher as an azrael proxy? I have an extra watcher in the dark.

>> No.56902735

>>56902696
Why would they even have rules in the Chaos Daemons book?

>> No.56902745

>>56902735
Because they're chaos demons

>> No.56902748

>>56902708
Why wouldnt it be fluffy?

they are eldar space pirates. why wouldnt they be fancy?

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>>56902711

>> No.56902766
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>>56902607
I dont play nids

>> No.56902772

>>56902748
I get that but I'm just wondering if there are official colour schemes?

>> No.56902780

>>56902745
Technically yes, but their affiliated with their legions first an foremost.

It'd be like having Guilliman in the deathwatch codex.

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>>56902745
You are fucking stupid

>> No.56902787

>>56902696
>Post yfw Magnus and Morty get buffed in Chaos Daemons book,

I mean Chaos Daemons only have CHAOS, DAEMON, and <GOD> as tags. And both Primarchs have all three. So probably.

>> No.56902788

>>56902766
Is that part of a sprue on the top?

>> No.56902807

>>56902680
Marines are performing quite well in many tourneys, even without gulli

>> No.56902824

>>56902807
fuckin raven guard

hate them

>> No.56902845

>>56902788
Yes. I wanted a way to distinguish my Monolith so I took that piece since it was symmetrical and put it there, Ive started drilling and stringing up trophies I get when people have extra bitz they dont need or want. I want to find a guardsman or an eldar guardian to crucify up there.

>> No.56902857

>>56902780
But it would not.

>> No.56902872

>Chaos is supposed to be the biggest threat facing the imperium
>They only have two armies on the tabletop compared to however fucking many the Imperium gets

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>>56902735
>>56902780
Except. It works.

Say you took a DEATHWATCH Patrol detachment and a Super-Heavy Auxiliary detachment with Guilliman you unlock stratagems for both DEATHWATCH and CODEX SPACE MARINES.

Now look at Auspex scan. Select an ADEPTUS ASTARTES INFANTRY unit. Geez. Looks like a unit of Deathwatch Veterans has both ADEPTUS ASTARTES and INFANTRY. So you could use Codex Space Marine's stratagem on a non Codex Space Marine unit.

Now looking at Daemons they only have CHAOS, DAEMON, and <GOD> as tags. So if a stratagem says select a TZEENTCH DAEMON. Magnus the Red qualifies.

So long as you took a DAEMON detachment to unlock DAEMON stratagems.

>> No.56902887

>There's no single unit in the chaos marine codex with 2W 2A base
>Can't field truescale chaos marines against primaris without the latter being better despite being the same size

Primaris should have just been a statline update to bring marines in line with the fluff

>> No.56902901

>>56902824
>hating raven guard

pleb, pls go

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>>56902872
They have 3 with R&H.

>> No.56902911

>>56902872
Daemons, Chaos Space Marines, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, Renegades and Heretics

>> No.56902918

>>56902732
Yes and you are a terrible person

>> No.56902920

>>56902901
you think i enjoy hitting dudes on 6+?! why even bother shooting

>> No.56902922

>>56902887
>There's no single unit in the chaos marine codex with 2W 2A base

QuestioninglyCoughingPossessed.

>They have 2W and D3A

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>>56902903
Four, actually.

>> No.56902928

>>56902911
You forgot to name each Legion Trait too.

>> No.56902939

>>56902879
Deathwatch already get codex space marine strats.

>> No.56902952

>>56902928
No, Imperium has Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angles, Space Wolves, Death Watch, Grey Knights.

>> No.56902957

>>56902911
If you're counting Thousand Sons and Death Guard separately from CSM then Imperium gets to count Grey Knights, Death Watch, Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves.

>> No.56902964

>>56902920
orks pls go

>> No.56902965

>>56902922
>Implying 2 and D3 i the same
>Implying I can use their statline for chaos marines when they don't even have Bolters

>> No.56902972

>>56902920
What is melee?

>> No.56902974

>>56902957
I know, I did. See >>56902952

>> No.56902985

>>56902566
With the DW it's a more forgiving army for bad squad builds, so long as it's things with zero synergy and so on.
There's a lot of things you can do with them, but I would recommend a starter list focusing on not mixing too many unit types between squads, it's generally better to look at what the power-armoured guys in a squad can accomplish, and then ask yourself "what would a termie/assault/biker add to this squad".
The other larger issue is to ask yourself what kind of playstyle you want. DW can be fairly powerful at range, but to compete against vehicle armies their mainstays are generally getting into melee, it's generally possible to get the most synergy within 24". Long-range deathwatch units can be a good addition to a soup list, but the army as a whole isn't that kind of army.
So then the question is, what kind of transport do you want? Razorbacks, Land Raiders, or the Corvus flier? Razorbacks are good for MSU and range, Land Raiders are good for field control and brute-force, and the flier is actually really good anti-infantry and a passable anti-vehicle supplement (sumps up the deathwatch well I think). You can't get away with putting mixed unit types in razorbacks. Terminators are good for land raider squads (crusaders especially), and you can do anything with the corvus.
The Start Collecting box is good (good value too), but the dreadnought can be superfluous. It's not as fast as the other vehicles (especially the flier), and leaving units behind in the backfield is dangerous.
So make two 5-man squads from the box, one ranged-ish, and one melee. There's no real "killer app" besides the frag cannon, which is great anti-infantry and anti-vehicle.

>> No.56902987

>>56902957
>Imperium gets to count ... Dark Angels

Why is Imperium counting a Chaos faction? Uncool man.

>> No.56902991

>>56902957
I believe that was implied by the "however many imperium gets"

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>>56902952
>tfw BA, SW, and DA get their own codex while the Black Templars lost all their unique stuff

>> No.56903008

>>56902998
Good. Fuck off and learn to paint some real colors

>> No.56903017

>>56902566
Run most of your army with codex: SM and take a DW detachment for the blackstar and a pimped out kill team.

Sternguard and vanguard are objectively better than their DW counterparts, but make great counts as units.

And then you can actually take heavy support options like predators.

>> No.56903026

>>56902787
Best part is that you can freely swap between [Chaos] [Daemon] or [Heretic Astrates] [Legion] on fly as they are single unit in their own detachment.

>> No.56903034

>>56902998
They still have crudsader squads and the emps champ, they're pretty well of desu

>> No.56903036
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>>56903008
No I just switched to sons of malice.

>> No.56903046

>>56902974
So Imperium has:
Generic Space Marines
Blood Angels
Dark Angels
DeathWatch
Grey Knights
Space Wolves
Imperial Guard (How many different model lines do they have?)
Custodes
Sisters of Battle
Admech
Inquisition/assassins and assorted imperial servants
Imperial Knights


Chaos has:
Generic CSM
Thousand Sons
Death Guard
Chaos Daemons
Rogue Knights
And renegade guard (FW exclusive)

It's a bit out of balance aint it? If CSM are such a threat then shouldn't they have more armies on the tabletop?

>> No.56903052

>>56903026
I'm really hoping they've got some cheesy shit in store for me man come Jan

>> No.56903070

>>56903036
Fuck on, forget to strip unreal colors

>> No.56903076

>>56903046
Chaos will be receiving World Eaters, Emperor's Children and Dark Mechanicus in the future.

>> No.56903081

>>56903046
black legion is many times larger than any chapter

>> No.56903085

>>56902925
Ha!

>> No.56903095

>>56903081
That's not really what we're talking about, this is about representation in the rules, not in universe.

>> No.56903100
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>Fabius frowned. ‘You are taunting me.’

>‘No. Not at all.’ Trazyn joined him at the edge of the platform. ‘They were almost destroyed, you know. I saved them. By rights, you should thank me.’

>‘You stole them, you mean.’

>‘I am no thief.’ Trazyn sounded almost insulted. He waved a hand. Hard-light holograms shimmered into being all around them. Images of startling vividness swam about Fabius, and he read in them a secret history. Scenes from impossible antiquity, prompting memories dredged from his consumption of aeldari texts. ‘I am a seeker into mystery, like yourself. I have catalogued the fall of civilisations, and the birth of empires.’

>‘One does not preclude the other.’

>‘If you could see what I see– if you could perceive the beating heart of time, as I perceive it– you would not question my methodology, Fabius Bile. You would have no more questions at all.’ Trazyn gestured with grandiose elegance. ‘You pluck open flesh, to learn its secrets. I do the same with time. I chop out the mechanisms of occurrence and study them at my leisure. This history of this galaxy is an open book to me, and my collection is the story of everything.’

>Fabius turned slowly, taking in the ghostly images as they drifted thick upon the air. ‘And what is the point of recording such a story, if there is no one to appreciate it?’

>‘Yet.’

>‘What?’

>‘No one to appreciate it yet.’ Trazyn’s metal fingers tapped against his staff. ‘I am no more unique in this universe than you. We are outliers, true, but not the whole of the species. And when my folk awake from their slumber of aeons, I shall have a story to tell them.’ He gave a rattling laugh. ‘I doubt they will appreciate it. Or even listen. But one does not expect gratitude from the masses.’ He glanced at his silent servants. ‘Dull-witted things.’

-"Fabius : Clonelord" novel

So Trazyn is not a bad guy. He is just a storyteller with no audience.

>> No.56903106

>>56903076
World Eaters and Emperor's Children are a given

When did they ever say anything about Dark Mechanicus?

>> No.56903114

>>56903076
>Dark Mechanicus
Now that one seems far fetched.

>> No.56903119

>>56903095
the most popular dudes get more dudes

just play your dudes

>> No.56903124

How often does GW releases new models.

>> No.56903131

>>56903100
Can you share this novel? Please

>> No.56903135

>>56902879

Yea but then they went and specifically disallowed this sort of thing for Genestealer Cults.

>> No.56903150

>>56903100
I read in Age of Ultron voice.

God, newcrons are such shit.

>> No.56903151

>>56903100
I want the epub.

>> No.56903164

>>56903124
whenever they want, seeing as how they have never had a release scheduale

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>>56903150
>God, newcrons are such shit.

It's true

>> No.56903179

>>56903150
The new Necron models are top tier though.

>> No.56903184

>>56903114
Why? They've been fucking around in the Eye of Terror with the Chaos Marines. Have they killed Primarchfucker Scoria yet?

>> No.56903202

>>56903150
ADB said that he totally loves the Newcrons in the AMA. This means your taste is shit and you are wrong because ADB has good reviews and thumbs up from the IP guys

>> No.56903207

>>56903017
>Sternguard and vanguard are objectively better than their DW counterparts
Why would you say this?

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>>56902998
It pays to be a 2nd ed. Chapter.

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>>56903179
would you say they're Necron-tier?

>> No.56903215

>>56902681

These are the least of our worries brother, better to ask when our bikes will be in line with Eldar and Corsair bikes both special weapon wise and points wise

>> No.56903221

>>56903150

I will wonder how GW thought newcrons would be a good idea. They killed the entire thematic point of the mysterius, silent cyber-undead so expertly I cant think of anything else but doing it purpose.

>> No.56903227

>>56903106
Why do people keep spreading this bullshit? Emperor's Children and World Eaters aren't getting their own book. They already have rules in Codex CSM. The only reason why DG and TSons get their own books is that they were planned for. The Codex explicitly states they are the only two different enough to get their own books.

They're never getting their own Codex, they aren't different enough.

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>>56903202
Aaron loves newcrons but hate his dad...
Interesting

>> No.56903235

>>56903184
Because GW releasing an army of the regular Admech was a surprise them doing the Dark Mech would incredibly insane.

>> No.56903246

>>56903202
ADB also has major daddy issues and a "I don't give a fuck" attitude to his writing. It might be time to give him the Emperor's Peace.

>> No.56903248

Dank angles chapter

>> No.56903262

>>56903179
Every necron vehicle that is piloted by someone looks retarded.
Old wraiths were far superior, modern ones are ok.
Pariahs were awesome, no reason to squat them.

>> No.56903270

>>56903184
Just because they're in the lore doesn't mean they'll be getting any models any time soon.

See: Hrud, Gue'vasa

>>56903227
Not talking about codexes you mong, talking about models.

Tzeentch gets a load of new shit last year.
Nurgle gets a load of new shit this year.
It stands to reason that Khorne and Slaanesh will be getting some new shit next year and the year after.

>> No.56903274

>>56903235
Yeah, but GW seems to be on a roll. I'm all for embracing the madness.

>> No.56903278

>>56903221
I think there might have been bad blood between Andy Chambers and GW just before he left. Like you said, the Newcrons were carefully crafted to shit on everything the Oldcrons were.

>> No.56903279

>>56903207
Because it's true. SM Vanguard vets are 3 pts cheaper, get a chapter tactic, and can take meltabombs.

Sternguard get the same -2 AP bolters with a 30" range instead of an 18" range, while being 3 pts cheaper, and a chapter tactic

>> No.56903294

>>56902425
>mixing Hive Fleets
Pure
Fucking

Cancer
>for a tourny
Acceptable

>How to make this list better
Stick the Hive Guard together as a unit of 6, more bang for your buck from the double tap stratagem.
Find the points to give your Tyrant wings.
Otherwise looks pretty good desu

>> No.56903300
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>>56903262
>Pariahs were awesome, no reason to squat them.

They sorta have no role with the Lychguard being a thing.

>> No.56903307

>>56903164
I know that, but you would think a general would have. a bead into how often new models get released.

>> No.56903308
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>>56903215

Chapter Approved was such a let down. We can only wait for our codex and spam Kabalite Warriors in venoms with ravagers and flyers.

>> No.56903309
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>>56903274
If they ad another army I want Lost and the Damned before Dark Mech, it would be better and dark gods willing would be better than R&H.

>> No.56903315

>>56903081
>laughing Dark Angels

>> No.56903338

>>56903221
>They killed the entire thematic point of the mysterius, silent cyber-undead so expertly I cant think of anything else but doing it purpose.

Considering Necrons began life as Chaos Robots. They hadn't decided wtf to do with them.

And considering they added a second thematic point of the mysterius, silent antagonist.

They decided to differentiate Tyranids and Necrons more than
>This is the silent relentless BIOLOGICAL murder machine instead of the silent relentless MECHANICAL murder machine.

>> No.56903342

>>56903221
I get where you're coming from, but the tyranids do the same thing, as The mindless omnicidal faction.
Newcrons work well as a more grimdark counterpart to the Eldar, more like the Imperium in spirit, ironically enough, despite being less amenable to them.

>> No.56903346
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>>56902420
Man that ones really gross. Good job modelling it just please put it away.

>> No.56903347
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How is my first 1k list for ba, this is just what I could get to in the near future and gives me 6CP for 1k points so I should be able to do some fun stuff wiht the DC like turn 1/2 charge then consolidate into another unit and fight them.
I can't see what would be a better choice without dropping the things that make the chapter unique and just being red ultramarines.

>> No.56903354

>>56903227
You are honestly retarded if you take any of that at face value.

Prior to their model ranges both Thousand Sons and Death Guard only had 1 special character and 1 unique unit each, same as EC and WE are now.

Both WE and EC have more than enough 30k units and other units in lore to base a new model range off of and if you don't think GW is going to capitalize on that (especially with the popularity of WE) then you're fucking stupid.

>> No.56903356

Meliniel and the Warshard when? Maybe with the ynnari codex?

>> No.56903362

>>56903300
>They sorta have no role with the Lychguard being a thing.
Let them deny psychic powers. Two stormbirds, one flakk stone.

>> No.56903366
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>‘Yes.’ Fabius studied the ancient being. ‘How long have you been here?’

>‘Longer than your race has possessed the ability to stand upright.’

>‘You are immortal.’

>‘I am persistent.’ Trazyn indicated one of the hard-light images. ‘My race made a habit of persistence, in the Time of Flesh. When faced with extinction, we chose instead a new way.’ The image swelled, and Fabius saw something. A strange entity of starlight and malice. It watched as legions of living things marched into great furnace-like structures. The creatures were blurry, as if all memory of them had been eradicated, and all that was left was…an absence. But what emerged from the burning heart of the edifices was easily recognisable.

>‘Thus Necrontyr gave way to Necron, and we enslaved ourselves to infinity,’ Trazyn rasped. ‘Look at it, Fabius– is it not wonderful and horrible.’ The star-being rose, vaguely humanoid in shape blazing with searing cosmic energies. Awful and breathtaking to behold. ‘They ate stars, you know. And worlds, besides. But we had the last laugh, in the end.’ Trazyn chuckled. ‘We bound them in cages of harsh reality, and used them to power our world-engines.’

>‘Like this place, you mean,’ Fabius said. ‘One of those things is here?’

>‘Yes. Buried deep and safe. The crown jewel of my collection, and the source of its power.’ Trazyn laughed again. ‘The source of my power.’

Trazyn has a full C'tan in his collection....?

>> No.56903367
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>>56903308

I've opted out of that life. I'm running a brigade with things I like now

>> No.56903393

>>56902446
is...is that edible?

Are Nids Edible?

>> No.56903403

>>56903338
>They decided to differentiate Tyranids and Necrons more than

It had nothing to do with the Tyranids. Oldcron lords and C'tan could talk and they were Empire building.

>>56903342
Oldcrons weren't mindless anymore than the Newcrons.

And they weren't omnicidal since the goal of the oldcrons was conquering the galaxy and enslaving the living.

>> No.56903404

>>56902375
>have an IG army in need of transports
>"oh, that's a cool-looking truck; I could kitbash some to use as counts-as Taurox since they are stupid looking
>$60 USD ea.
And I will continue to not give GW a dime and use stuff made by third parties for a fraction of the cost. What a joke. I only play with friends anyway so who cares about minis being official when they're this big of a ripoff?

>> No.56903408

>>56903179
New ones are shit. Clashes too much with the minimalistic designs of the old crons. Losing green rod was also stupid mistake as weaponry has no unifying theme.

>> No.56903410

>>56903366
Sure, he needed at least one legendary in his pokédex.

>> No.56903420

>>56903184
>Have they killed Primarchfucker Scoria yet?

Nope, he's still kicking unless he died offscreen, since Xana II is now a Death Star/Mordor/Factory planet supplying the Hellblade and Hell Talon to the Traitors, among other things.

He'd probably be stronger now than then, too. How you can get stronger than "slaps Horus and all his brothers save Magnus with full Biomancy and Russ with his -2 To Hit armour across the room easily" I don't know, but I want to see it.

>> No.56903423
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>>56903362
I'd love it if they made a plastic Cryptek box like the Empire Wizard and brought back all the Harbinger variants from 5e. Make it so certain / all Harbingers bring anti-psyker SCIENCE!! devices to Deny

>> No.56903424
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>>56903366
cool

>> No.56903426

>>56902425
Tyrant needs wings and at least toxin sacs, and give it the chameleon relic

Broodlord can be warlord, take one step ahead as ths trait

Genestealers in broods of 20 can take 5 acid maws for free (if no models, paint mouths green)

Hive guard benefit from being in a unit of 6, since you can double tap them.

If you dont take the chameleon relic, the norn Crown on one Neurothrope is excellent. You dont NEED a second Neurothrope.

Maybe find points for a trygon for the stealers. Maybe not.

>> No.56903428
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>>56903393
Squigs are edible.

>> No.56903430

>>56903338
>Considering Necrons began life as Chaos Robots.
Not really. There is essentially no connection between Chaos Android and Necrons aside from "They're Robots."

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>>56903367

Curious as to what that is.

>> No.56903432

what are my chances for fun if my new army is tau and its 50% kroot/kroot riders/kroot hounds, 25% firewarriors and 25% little mechs?

>> No.56903436
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>>56903404
No one does, carry on.

Is this bait, this seems like a bait post

>> No.56903453
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>>56903428
There's even one specifically for eating.

>> No.56903454
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>>56903366
Its funny how completely downplayed the C'tan are now.

Did Necron players not like them?

>> No.56903457

>>56903338
>>56903342

>implying the generic swarm biological race had anything common with the robutts and their star gods shrouded in mystery The necrons never needed a "personality" their soulless, wordless forms entirely devoid of personality was their thing.


On an unrelated note, bring back Chaos Robots and the Iron Men. I'd love some of that old stuff steeped in dark age of technology shit back

>> No.56903463
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>>56903366
>implying he doesnt have on C'tan of each color corresponding to each possible wavelength in his pokeballs
Bruh
Do you even Trazyn

>> No.56903476

>>56903453
Is than any task that doesn't have a squig for it?

>> No.56903482

>>56903008
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.56903487

>>56903403
>Oldcrons weren't mindless anymore than the Newcrons.

>Mindless servants of star gods vs rulers keeping their minds and peasants being dim witted

>And they weren't omnicidal since the goal of the oldcrons was conquering the galaxy and enslaving the living.
Breeding them like cattle to feed to the c'tan you mean. Basically just more sustainable tyranids.

>> No.56903488

>>56903420
The only improvements I can think of would be to either reroll misses or a +x to hit rolls. Other than that he's pretty damn close to perfect.

>> No.56903495

>>56903454
They weren't particularly interesting as there were only two and one was just a generic grim reaper.

>> No.56903510
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Anyone here run a Conversion Beamer? They seem fun but kind of underpowered now. Haven’t had a chance to run one in 8th.

>> No.56903517

>>56903476
yeah the tasks that require snotlings or grots instead

>> No.56903528
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>>56902965
>Being a lousy bitch that complains because he doesn't get the same thing loyalist do
Perhaps you if shouldn't had turn away from the Emperor's light things wouldn't have to be so shitty for you

>> No.56903538

>>56903454
No, GW completely fucked their lore. Twice. So now they're hoping that if they don't talk about them we'll forget about C'Tan

>> No.56903540

>>56903279
You're right about the vanguards, but if it boils down to one of GW's inscrutable cross-codex points disrepancies, it's not an outright inherent superiority but a costing issue, and that doesn't interest me as much as the ability to do different things, points be damned.

Sternguard do have better boltguns, but running deathwatch veterans with their stock bolters is not something people do unless they're ablative wounds. And if range is an issue (which it shouldn't be given the fact that most of the deathwatch ethos is for close range - something they do much better than the sternguard, especially in mixed squads), they can take stalker bolters to have 2 shots from 30". They aren't locked into the same loadout either, and can have terminators (and VVs and Bikers) in the same squad for bonuses to boot. It's not cut-and-dry except for the points value.

>> No.56903541

>>56903487
>>Mindless servants of star gods vs rulers keeping their minds and peasants being dim witted

Oldcron lords retained their minds. A gift from the C'tan.

>Breeding them like cattle to feed to the c'tan you mean. Basically just more sustainable tyranids.

Cattle, slaves, and playthings. In a similiar vain to what the Drukkari and Chaos do to mortals they enslave and capture. You gonna call Chaos and Drukkari Tyranids?

>> No.56903551

>>56903393
Highly poisonous, but then again, poisonous pufferfish are a delicacy.

>> No.56903555

>>56902449
4x6 for everything up to apocalypse. 4x8 gimps melee too much.

>> No.56903560

>>56903541
>Oldcron lords retained their minds. A gift from the C'tan.
How are they different from the newcrons then?

>> No.56903563

>>56902420
>wings under the turbines

Shouldn't those be just bloody stumps?

>> No.56903569

>>56903495
The Void Dragon and Outsider were delightfully mysterious.

>> No.56903583

>>56903569
In the sense that there was basically nothing there to go off.

>> No.56903601

>>56903560
They didn't have the personalities of loony tunes and didn't stoop to converse with their harvest.

>> No.56903611

>>56903560
Because oldcrons didn't prance around panicking against orks or collecting legendary pokemon.

>> No.56903613

>>56903457
>soulless, wordless forms entirely devoid of personality was their thing.
This is the tyranids to a tee. The only difference is the Necrons were robots enslaved to an ancient godlike intelligence, not the biological manifestations of a godlike intelligence.
Newcrons keep the aesthetics, the incomprehensibility, and the mindlessness, but change them from more than just an infestation of termites in the attic.

>> No.56903623

>>56903583
We had legends about them. Back then we had an HH novel that featured the protagonist meeting the Void Dragon and becoming its new guardian.

>> No.56903624

>>56903431

It's varies but I've dropped flyers entirely as I dislike them (model is fine but I've never liked them rules wise). Basically its;

2× Archon Agoniser
Succubus

6×5 Kabalite basic

Lhameans
2×5 mandrake

15 hellion
2×5 blaster scourges

3× FW Reapers

3× Raider with Lance
1 Venom basic

Idea is to deepstrike the Hellions and Succubus turn 2 and attempt a charge to tie things up, chopping things up. Drug of choice depends on enemy.

>> No.56903629

>>56903221
>mysterius

Oldcrons were only mysterious from the point of view of the average imperial guardsman. We knew literally everything about them.

>> No.56903646

>>56903436
Nah just commenting on bullshit pricing. There are third party wheeled trucks and APCs to be had with good quality for $30 a pop. So I'll stick with them.

>> No.56903648

>>56902772
google sunblitz brotherhood, void dragons and sky raiders

>> No.56903657
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>>56902470

Are you honestly retarded enough to think that story is real?

>> No.56903663

>>56903629
Yup, now it's mysterious to no one

>> No.56903669

>>56903613

You are either completely retarded or trolling. Do you know even what a theme means? Are you going to compare shit like the Flood, Zerg or Xenomorphs with the tyranids or the necron?

>Newcrons keep the aesthetics, the incomprehensibility, and the mindlessness

Lmao, they have lost all three.

>> No.56903685

>>56903629
what are necrons purpose now, i remember the old codex like around 2000, they just were loading people up into giant machines so their star gods could eat the soul energy or whatever. but now that the star gods are their prisoners, what are the necrons doing now?

>> No.56903691

>>56903629

>I've never read lore so I just assume my ignorance is just as good as everyones knowledge

>> No.56903700

>>56903366
>Trazyn has a full C'tan in his collection....?

In the Champions of Fenris rulebook one of the campaigns were Trazyn stealing a C'tan from the wolves.

>> No.56903703

>>56903646
Don't buy directly from GW. Any Comic
Book Store worth their salt has a 20% markdown.

>> No.56903707

>>56903657
Florida is the Eye of Terror

Anything can happen

>> No.56903710
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>painting banner
>caliban green in the small crevaces in wings
>screw up with ulthuan grey
>go back with caliban green
>tiny splotches of green on white
>tell myself I'm the only one who will notice
> it gnaws on my soul

>> No.56903711

>>56903657
Did the manatees reject your fat ass

>> No.56903716

>>56903703
$12 off is still shit. That thing is worth $30 if it's worth a nickel.

>> No.56903723

>>56903685
>what are the necrons doing now?
Waking up and telling all the young races to get off their lawn.

>aka reclaiming their old empire

>> No.56903734
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>>56903613
>aesthetics

No, they don't. The Newcron look more like metal golems with neonlights plastered on them. Not very skeletal.

Don't forget the silly crafts and machines that have PILOTS in them.

>incomprehensibility

Heck no.

>mindlessness

Fuck no.

Only the warriors are near mindless. The rest of the Necrons sentient.

You intentional omitted the whole silent army theme that the Oldcrons had but the Newcrons don't.

>> No.56903737

>>56903685
Continuing where they left off from before the war in heaven so conquering their territories and feuding with others, and shaking their fists at the youngsters who get close.

>> No.56903740

>>56903711
They called me a manlet because I didn't weigh at least three hundred pounds.

>> No.56903749

What do I play 2018?
help...

>> No.56903756

>>56903710
the only acceptable course is to dip it, remove all paint and start from scratch

>> No.56903764

>>56902708

Eh, if you like pink and black, it's a bit Slaaneshi to me. Other than that, go flashy AF. In their minds,they are probably the biggest pimps in the galaxy. Pelts, jewelry, whatever.

BTW, since I am planning on resurrecting my Ulthwe collection, am I reading it right that guardian platforms no longer make heavy weapons assault, which means no normal moving and shooting unless they have a shuriken cannon?

>> No.56903765

which one has the best value for what you're paying.

This is going to be my first army in 40k.
The Eldar start collection, the Craftsworld start collection, or the craftsworld army (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Start-Collecting-Craftworlds-2017)?

>> No.56903774

>>56903723
>>56903737
are they upset at being robots now that they are free? or are they fine to be robot overlords of the universe?

>> No.56903783

>>56903765
Either of the start collecting boxes. The army doesn't have a discount, it's just a bundle.

>> No.56903793

Thank you for the upload Sir!

>> No.56903795

>>56903685
>what are the necrons doing now?

Everyone and nothing.

They are so diverse that they are so vague and unfocused as a faction. Newcrons are the least explored and expanded on xenos faction in the setting. Their lore is full of holes and underdeveloped areas. Does anyone care to explain why?

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>>56903734
>Don't forget the silly crafts and machines that have PILOTS in them.

Beep boop Necron pilot coming through

>> No.56903798

>>56903663
Only because they stopped making variations of the "imperial explorer find a misterious xeno tomb, find strange things, necron slaughter everything" story (which makes 99% of the oldcron stories, with rare outliers like xenology) doesn't mean that for the average guardsman changes someting.

>>56903691
There is absolutely no ignorance, that's the point. The only thing not specifically stated in the 3rd edition Necron codex was where the Outsider was, or the details about the Deceiver plans. Literally everything else was openly stated.

>> No.56903805

>>56903793
What upload?

>> No.56903808

>>56903528
I play Ultramarines. I converted some truescale Word Bearers as OpFor

>> No.56903818

>>56903774
Depends on the cron some are looking for a fleshy race that will be perfect to tranfer bodies, others are content and may even see the opportunity it creates, and in rare casses they aren't even aware they are robots.

>> No.56903824

>>56903795
They're not popular enough to be focused on and they have no support from the dev team.

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>>56903100
What does Trazyn plan on doing when Nidshitters consume the galaxy?

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What's a good way to make a lot of spikes for my conversions?

Trying to make convert some guard for R&H and need a ton of spikes.

>> No.56903843

>>56903749
I’ve been watching a ton of military magical girl anime’s so I say play infantry guard with lots of psykers.

>> No.56903851

What armour mark should be used in building Flesh Tearers Tactical Marines?
I've been planning this build for a while and bought a BA Tactical box for it, but after looking at as much artwork as I can find for them the FT are consistently depicted in plain armour rather than the flowery sculpted and decorated armour of the BA.
I don't think mark 2 or 3 are a good fit stylistically since they're more defense oriented armour, so it comes down to mark 4, 6 and 8 armours for their consistent and streamlined appearance.

>> No.56903854

>>56902697
>Do you think they will have multiple choices
I get the feeling this is something "nu-GW" are keen to do for as many factions as possible. It would make sense for them to do it for the Genestealers. Possibly tie it in to the Tyranid codex's hive fleets.

>>56903669
You must not understand what "theme" is if you think their metallic forms give them a distinct theme from a biological menace that does the same thing in story terms.
>Tyranids: Oh fuck, it's the impossibly ancient race with inscrutably inimical hostile motives against all life in the galaxy.
>Oldcrons: Oh fuck, it's the impossibly ancient race with inscrutably inimical hostile motives against all life in the galaxy.

>Lmao, they have lost all three.
They're still egyptian terminators from when the galaxy was young, they're still incomprehensibly old and powerful to the Imperium, despite being a mostly dormant remnant, a bit like the eldar, and the rank and file are still mindless robots.

>> No.56903855

>>56903774
>are they upset at being robots now that they are free? or are they fine to be robot overlords of the universe?

Depends. Some are fine with being immortal robots.

Others are trying to create / find a perfect biological body to attempt to transfer back to.

Also it's a pyramid scheme of personality.
>Those at the top are sentient, but as you move down they lose personality and free will.

>> No.56903864

>>56903540
DW Vanguards have zero options that basic VV have, unless you count the bolt pistols you should be trading away for better wargear.

And all of the DW weapons are extremely overcosted. 30 pts for an 8" assault cannon, on a 49pt 1W marine?
You can field your cool kill squad as a side detachment and it will only cost you 300 points or so, then you can take stuff that will actually give you a chance of winning a game.

>> No.56903870

>>56903798
>doesn't mean that for the average guardsman changes someting.

Dude, a retired Sister studied and mastered Necrontyr written language in her coven, and was used by a marine chapter in their mission to a tomb world.

Necrons are no longer mysterious to the Imperium. They are a regular foe they fight.

>> No.56903891

>>56903601
Where is the personality of loony toons?

And most I remember of them talking to their harvest is 'This world is ours. You are squatting on it. Our honor dictates we allow you to flee, before we murder you all. You have 3 days.'

>> No.56903905
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>>56903825
He’s going to cause SO much trouble the hive mind will be forced to create sentient Nids who will distract him by listening to all his stories and bombard him with their innocence curiosity.

>> No.56903941

>>56903855
>Others are trying to create / find a perfect biological body to attempt to transfer back to.

And here is where a lot of the plotholes come from. What is a soul and why do Necrons which are digital copies of the Necrontyr feel bad at not having it? Why don't Admech who regularly transfer their minds into machines and computers feel the same as Necrons? Why aren't the transfered Admech considered soulless as the Necrons?

>> No.56903944

>>56902389
Only audio-book.

>> No.56903970

>>56903891
Trazyn, Imotekh, Krispekh, etc. They are cackling cartoon characters.

>> No.56903977

>>56903941
Mind Transferrance is something the Dark mechanicus dabbles in. Not the regular mechanicus.

>> No.56903982

>>56903941
> Why don't Admech who regularly transfer their minds into machines and computers feel the same as Necrons?
Transferring your mind into a computer is tech-heresy and abominable intelligence. Machines and computers may only assist the computation of the human mind.

>> No.56903987

>>56903870
I said for the average guardsman.

Even with Oldcrons whenever the focus shifted from helpless techpriest 865 or average meat shield 723 you had Inquisitors, Generals and Marines that reacted with "They are Necrons. They do this and this, and you must do this to fight them".

Even in Ciaphas Cain which has an almost perfect rendition of the spooky oldcron after some books Cain knows what they are, how to behave etc. They only thing he miss is their background.


In the end Oldcrons and Newcrons are almost the same, with the difference that the first are seen as the monster of an horror movie while the second as an alien race in a sci-fi movie.

It's just a difference of perspective, really.

>> No.56904012

>>56903941
Most admech still have organic parts and still have a soul, and some AI can also have souls, Necrons don't have souls anymore theirs were devoured by the C'tan. And a soul is kinda important, not having one makes you seem more repulsive than a blank and not being connected to the warp has some odd effects.

>> No.56904013

>>56903734
They always looked like that. A higher focus on the egyptian-esque stuff, perhaps, and more "out-there" designs as part of not having to make beakie-tier lumps of metal any more, but they were always "metal golems with neon lights plastered on them".
>incomprehensibility
Not Tyranid or Old Ones tier incomprehensibility any more (except insofar as they relate to the C'Tan, which is now just part of their lore rather than all of it), but they've got the same kind of incomprehensibility (or inscrutability) that the Eldar do in their more mysterious aspects, and more.
>mindlessness
The warriors are literally mindless. Of course they aren't mindless drones with only an omnicidal motivation, but that is the change that was required to turn them from Oldcron to Newcron. They've kept the aesthetic creepiness of the mass of them being mindless and (near) omnicidal, but as I've said, you can't have the entire faction be mindless without duplicating the Tyranids' function in the lore, and it's a matter of taste whether the setting would be better with two mindless factions that just kill everything , or with two "elder races" like they've made Newcrons a partner to the Eldar.

>> No.56904019

>>56903977
Cawl, the admech guy in Traitor's Hate/Angels Blade, the villain of the Mars series, the villain from "tech priest", and many more did Mind Transference to other bodies (biological and machine).

>> No.56904023
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What craftworld are these dudes from? I might copy that paintjob unless it turns out to be a lame craftworld ruled by king cuck or whatever.

>> No.56904033
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After assembling the crisis suits from my start collecting, I kinda like the suits now. Before I was wanting a Hammerhead centered army, but now...

I have to view them more as like the Vital Suits from Lost Planet. Now while I have no problem with the Ghostkeel model, the Riptide and the god awfully worse Stormsurge models need conversion. How would I go about a Lost Planet aesthetic on the Riptide, other than pic posted? And is the Stormsurge salvageable?

>> No.56904045
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56904045

>>56903941
Because actually transferring your mind into a computer is tech heresy of the worst kind. And I mean that literally, I think only corruption of an STC could be worse. The admech always mantain at least some biological part.

>> No.56904058

>>56904023
i like this post, also why do I enjoy playing wargames high lately?

>> No.56904069

>>56903987
Exactly.
Newcrons keep the on-the-ground spookiness (if desired), but their impact on galactic geopolitics is more nuanced now.

>> No.56904087

>>56904012
>Necrons don't have souls anymore

It's not explain why. The Necrontyr are not the Necrons. Why would the fate of a Necrontyr soul affect the digital copy?

>Generals and Marines that reacted with "They are Necrons. They do this and this, and you must do this to fight them".

Other than their methods of war, the Inquisition and other faction knew nothing about the Olcrons and their motives.

The Imperium now knows everything about the Necrons from their language, motives, technology, etc.

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>>56904019
Cawl is literally a heretek
I mean this in the most objective sense, he's done things that can and would have had magi who weren't so high ranking tortured to death
Even as it stands he's likely to be fucking killed because he wanted to/probably tried making marines from corrupted gene seed
Not just like 21st founding corrupted, torn out of a csm corrupted
BESARIUS CAWL IS NOT MY ARCHMAGOS PRAYER AND ROUTINE NOT INNOVATION AND HERESY OK

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>>56904023
>those fucking helmets

>> No.56904123

What's the best loadout for a Baal Predator now?

>> No.56904125

>>56904087
>It's not explain why.
C'tan ate them, the robotic bodies never had souls and soul that existed was the Necrontyr souls and those are all gone.

>> No.56904126

>>56904087
Because things without Souls don't work AT ALL in 40k.Also, weaponry which seperates soul from body work on Necron.

>> No.56904138

>>56903982
>>56904012
>>56904019
>>56904045

Some Admech mind transfers do happen, but they're either outright hereteks or keep biological/cyborg cogitators in their new bodies, and even then it's pretty damn sketchy unless it's Stygies or somewhere else radical like Ryza. And the Biologis, but that's because they have all kinds of nonsense cloning techniques that cheer the Omnissiah up during the process, so it's cool.

>> No.56904152

>>56904069
>Newcrons keep the on-the-ground spookiness

THEY DON'T.

They are not a silent army. From the Necron warriors up, the Newcron armies is noisy and bombastic.

Warriors scream when they are killed.
Flayed Ones bay and scream in static gibberish
Immortals tell orders to the warriors.
Lychguard smash their shields in chaallenge to their enemies
Praetorian deliver the law and pass judgement
Necron Overlords and Crypteks flood the battlefields with speeches and cackling laughter as they broadcast their voice and even their gologram image across the battlefield

>> No.56904171

>>56904138
I think putting your mind into a coned body is fine as clones don't have souls and yours can transfer to it, or a daemon might take it depends on your luck.

>> No.56904175
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56904175

>>56904023
Huh it looks like Alaitoc but at the time that was what Ulthwe looked like

>> No.56904178
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56904178

Rate my taste:

>genestealer Cults
>steel legion (mechanized infantry)
>valhallan ice warriors
>dark eldar
>emperors children/slaanesh in general

I pick armies based on my favourite fluff and looks. I don’t win very often, but I look damn good while losing.

>> No.56904180

>>56904093
>heretek
I hate them so fucking much.

>> No.56904190

>>56904087
>Necrons don't have souls anymore
>It's not explain why. The Necrontyr are not the Necrons. Why would the fate of a Necrontyr soul affect the digital copy?

I *assume* in 40Kverse there is the body, soul, and self? because blanks are soulless folks, but otherwise normal (besides everyone hating them for being abominations)

So C'tans ate Necrontyr's souls, put Necrontyr's minds/self into Robodies. And Necrontyr bodies were just left out to rot?

>> No.56904195
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56904195

Just wanted to clarify, I could only use this strategem to outflank one unit per game as you can only use one strategem per phase correct?

Asking as other players have said that I could use this as many times as I like as long as theres enough command points to spend but that doesn't sound right. Outflanking one axenought is better than none at all regardless.

>> No.56904196

>>56904178
>look good

We'll be the judge of that.

Post pics.

>> No.56904197

>>56904023
Alaitoc

>> No.56904213

>>56903347
bump

>> No.56904219
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>>56904152
So this is what autistic screeching really looks like.

>> No.56904226

>>56904196
I will when I go home for Christmas next week. Im living in res right now. Just posted to procrastinate

>> No.56904227

>>56904178
>caring about fluff
5/10 because at least being a dark eldar player

>> No.56904229

>>56904195
You can only apply that to infantry and yes you can only use it on one squad. A better question is if said infantry squad is embarked in a transport does said transport get outflank as well like how it worked last edition

>> No.56904231

>>56904197
see >>56904175

>> No.56904236

>>56904125
>the robotic bodies never had souls

Then why do only the Necrons produce a soulless effect that disturbs psykers, while other robots even those programmed with human or human-like intelligence don't produce the souless effect? PLOTHOLE.

>>56904126
>Because things without Souls don't work AT ALL in 40k

Pariahs abnd Blanks.

> weaponry which seperates soul from body work on Necron.

They fry the digital engrams of the Necrons.

>> No.56904241

>>56904195
You only have one deployment phase in a game.

>> No.56904242

>>56904190
Blanks have souls, they're not affected by psychic powers but there's no stipulation they're not affected by hemlock heavy d-scythe, so they must have some sort of soul to seperate from the body.

>> No.56904252

>>56904087
>>56903941
The souls part about the Necrons is one of the most nonsense ridden and plot-hole filled part of their backgrounds. And this is true for both oldcrons and newcrons, starting with how the C'tan in the beginngin ate "bioelectricity" but for some reason it worked exactly like souls and not at all like electricity on a level that GW itself confused them multiple times, then continuing with the C'tan that were masters of the material realm for which the warp was anathema but ate souls that are warp things, and beyond.

Basically the entire thing make no sense if you try to analyze close enought and it's easier to just make your own headcanon about how it work.

>> No.56904255

>>56904195
>as you can only use one strategem per phase correct?

What phase does deployment take place?
>None as it takes place before the game starts. So you can use it as many times as you'd like.

>> No.56904260

>>56904178
Very autistic/10. Just missing IF/IW for maximum autism score.

>> No.56904262

>>56904236
The weapon seperate body and soul, the digital engrams of necron is not spared, thus is a soul ...

>> No.56904274

Can Dark Angels use the Predator Executioner in 8e? I want to build some but don't want to buy IA only to find out they can't. Also, Autocannon with Lascannon sponsons, retarded?

>> No.56904275

>>56902420
>hurrr i gotta helmet!
I fucking love it anon

>> No.56904293

>>56904260
Not everyone can create Carnac levels of autistic shitposting.

>> No.56904303

>>56903944
Send a link anon?

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>>56902474

>> No.56904336

>>56904236
>Then why do only the Necrons produce a soulless effect that disturbs psykers
Because they are truly souless

>while other robots even those programmed with human or human-like intelligence don't produce the souless effect
These do have souls they are called machine spirits and are capable of connecting with the warp hence daemon engines.

>> No.56904351

>>56904262
A Necron can function without engrams. Also it doesn't remove the engrams, it just scrambles them.

>>56904252
I know, right? The issue here that pisses me off is GW's refusal to fix the plotholes in Necron lore and expand on what little lore the Newcrons have.

I mean we have next to zero knowledge about Newcron fleets for example. It's hard to write fanfiction for the setting when its so underdeveloped.

>> No.56904367

Can you fire primary weapons and bolt pistols at the same time? As in a model with bolter and bolt pistol for example

>> No.56904385

>>56904367
No.

>> No.56904393

>>56904336
>Because they are truly souless

But why though?

Recently we saw a Necron being possessed by a Chaos dude.

>The Eternal Duellist

>Lucius the Eternal leads a motley warband across the galaxy on the trail of the deadliest opponents his network of admiring torture-cultists can locate for him. He intends to hunt down the best melee fighters in the galaxy and beat them in one-on-one combat or die in the attempt. Over the course of several centuries he defeats the Dark Eldar Archon Vraesque in cursed Shaa-dom, the Emperor’s Champion of the Black Templars at Veilfate, and the Ork Warboss Two-klaws at Octarius Sigma.

>Eventually, on a nameless moon near Damnos, Lucius is cut down by the shape-shifting Necron duellist known only as the Phasing Sword. Not even the Necron’s body of living metal can prevent the Slaaneshi champion’s strange possession-curse from taking hold, however, for it takes a cold pride in its victory, and that is the seed of its undoing. Lucius is reborn inside his killer within days, the xenos warrior’s body drizzling away to reveal the twisted swordsman, as arrogant and maniacal as ever.

>> No.56904401

the whole "oldcrons were too similar to nids" argument is pretty retarded as most races are very similar when you simplify them.

why Dark Eldar exist when CSM already got the raiding and slaahesh parts down? let's change them to something else.

Space Marines should only be 1 codex as they are all the same fucking thing in different colors and some extremely minor details that don't matter
Mechanicus are robots like Necrons so should also be changed.

>> No.56904406

>>56904367
Read the rules, no. A model can fire all its ranged weapons or all its pistols.

>> No.56904408

>>56904367
Read the rules. Your question is answered in the book itself.

>> No.56904416

>>56904367
You choose either

>> No.56904424
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>>56904367
>>56904406

?

>> No.56904425

>>56904385
What about a biker with special weapon? Do i have to choose between the twin bolter and the special weapon?

>> No.56904434

>>56904401
How about no

>> No.56904439

>>56904425
No, it only applies to pistols.

>> No.56904447

>>56904393
Because C'tan ate them why is that so hard of a concept?

>> No.56904449

>>56904385
>>56904406
>>56904408
>>56904416
>>56904424
I am sorry, please excuse my dishonor

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>>56904424

Literally the next page, dude.

DESU it should be under the shooting rules and not under the weapon type rules, but it's not like there are a ton of rules to read anyways.

>> No.56904470
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56904470

>accidentally cut my finger when putting together my first couple of miniatures
>continue despite the miniscule spots of blood I leave on them
>this continues and eventually get covered by primer and paint
>do this intentionally now to anything I put together
>tfw even if I sell them in the future none would know of the sacred covenant of blood we share

>> No.56904494
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>>56904447
So if I create a digital copy of myself and then got myself eaten by a C'tan, then the digital copy of me will become soulless?

>> No.56904498

>>56904470
cringe

>> No.56904502

>>56904424
Nice cherry picking retard
>>56904424
>>56904424

>> No.56904504

>>56904494
Yes any copy digital or not is souless this is why clones are also souless.

>> No.56904512

>>56904470
>has access to super glue
>dosent slather it on his open wounds
its literally liquid bandaid, use it, i dont want your hepatitis infected models off ebay

>> No.56904531

>>56904175
Wow, Eldar used to look better.

>> No.56904533

>>56904138
>unless it's Stygies or somewhere
FUCK OFF MARSFAG DONT TREAD ON MY XENOTECH

>> No.56904539

>>56904504
I just finished the Fabius novel. Clones are not not soulless.

>> No.56904549

>>56904447
Because when things lose their souls, they die for good? It would make more sense than the C'Tan changed the state of the Necron soul to a form requiring less energy, thus liberate a fuck ton of latent energy and ate that ...

>> No.56904584

>>56904539
They changed it again?

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>>56904336
>implying warp presence = souls
>subscribing to Descartes dualism as supposed to Aristotle's hylomorphism in the first place

>> No.56904608

>>56904502

>cherry picking

Anon, I don't think you know what that means

>> No.56904647
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56904647

How can a machine be Undead?

>> No.56904669

>>56902375
Anyone have a cool hellwright conversion? I'm looking for ideas to avoid buying the expensive forge world model.

>> No.56904683

>>56904647
They fucking killed nightbringer?

>> No.56904709

>>56904683
I think they just killed his vault
So they freed him I guess

>> No.56904711

>>56904647
>assume everything is incomprehensible
>write inconsistent nonsense for the sake of grimdark

It Just Works™

>> No.56904719

If I'm playing drop Scions (had them before 8th, back when they were shit, not bandwagoning) and want to stick them with a Superheavy, should I go Baneblade variant or Knight variant?

>> No.56904743
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56904743

>>56904683
Released a Nightbringer shard from its prison.

>> No.56904744

>>56904242
Don't D-weapons create black holes? Blanks still have mass.

>> No.56904758
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56904758

>>56904647
How can people? Carbon units are not true lifeforms.

>> No.56904766
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56904766

>Necrons who are neither organic nor mechanical, are a prime example of how a godly gift can have tragic consequences. But then, cruelty is a common theme in Warhammer 40,000.

Then what the fuck are the Necrons?

>> No.56904784

>>56904744
No, they open warp rifts and stream raw warp energy at stuff.

>> No.56904788

>>56904766
Non-carbon life form.

>> No.56904789

>>56904766
inorganic lifeforms.

Silicon based maybe.

>> No.56904796

>>56904766
Spoopy

>> No.56904815

>>56904647
Remember, Imperials don't have good understanding of science. They might see broken down machines that shouldn't work moving and operating, making it looks like they've come back from the "dead".

>> No.56904818

>>56904766
Living metal.

>> No.56904844

>>56904647
>>56904815
Wouldn't a machine spirit free machine be technically undead, by mechanicus standards?

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56904864

>>56904303
spam filter does not allow post a link

>> No.56904883

>>56904766
Grimdark.

Living metal has never fully been explained. People often assume it's just grey goo, but it often has properties beyond purely mechanical. It could be some weird kraut space magic material that behaves like living cells, but is inorganic and programmable.

>> No.56904915

>>56904883
>kraut space magic
Do necrons deform under medium temperatures?

>> No.56904947
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56904947

>>56903646
If you're in the same boat as me and have to meet a 50% official part quota, the Taurox isn't half-bad with the appropriate bits chopped off/added...

>> No.56904956 [SPOILER] 
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>>56904766
I know for one thing, they're pretty cryptic.

>> No.56904966
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56904966

>>56904533
I like how the entire lore of Stygies is them blowing off the High Lords, Deathwatch, Inquisition and pretty much everyone else. A little segment of the Old Mechanicum who answered to precisely one guy if and when they liked what he said.

Hell, in their short story (that matches 8e meta exactly, oddly enough) a bunch of Electropriests completely demolished a Deathwatch Kill Team and their Captain, and he actually did "see the light" the Corpuscarii talk about. Maybe there's some actual Admech Acts of Faith equivalent going on there if unbelievers actually DO experience a kind of ecstatic rapture/revelation shortly before they die.

>> No.56904971

>>56904915
Medium on what scale?

>> No.56904984

remove invulnerable saves
remove invulnerable saves

>> No.56904996

>>56904971
On a scale from low to high

>> No.56905002

>>56904864
> Link
> Im not going to some random link
> Honestly believes some random anon would help him
>Top lel

>> No.56905028

>>56904947
that looks bretty gud anon

>> No.56905055
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>>56904966
I took "seeing the light" as "their eyes burn out or pop" or something like that
kind of how people getting burned are supposed to be cleansed of sin and be thankful for it in the end once all that sin's burned off but they're not quite dead

>> No.56905056

>>56904996
In that case, maybe.

>> No.56905067

>>56904274
pls rspnd

>> No.56905077

>>56905002
Yep, no one helps other ppl on /tg, yes yes.

>> No.56905088
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>>56905028
Not my work, as I'm still compiling inspiration for my take on it-might go M3 halftrack, given that my Cadians are WWII GIs with Russes like pic related (also not my work as I am in the middle of a refurbish cycle)

>> No.56905095

>>56904984
Nonsense! Make it like Fantasy!
Where if you take your armor save AND your Ward/Invuln save!

>> No.56905112

what dice do you use? Chessex are shit.
I use the red ones in dark imperium mixed with the white ones that came in the age of sigmar box.

>> No.56905139

>>56905112
Chessex customs.

>> No.56905143

>>56903476
surrendering
disarmament
peaceful resolution of conflict
losing

>> No.56905174

>>56903840
Extra plastic sprues and a hobby knife.

>> No.56905179

>>56905139
I've been thinking about getting dice with mydudes chapter badge on them, Chessex a good place to get em from?

>> No.56905180

>>56903891
It would also help if the crunch was not laughably weak.
Using a C'tan in war is a last resort. Make it seem like that. Have them be 500+points and Terrifying now they are a joke.

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56905186

>>56905143
I said task not made up words.

>> No.56905196

>>56904744
Different D-Weapon work differently, D-Cannons and Wraithcannon open localised warp rift (More precise vortex weapons), Heavy D-Scythe uses warp tech to reap the soul from the body, it's a necromantic weaponry which requires both living and dead to operate.

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>>56905186
dis git gets it.

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56905306

How do you get Genestealers onto sector imperalis as this GW image shows?

Genestealers have slotted bases, so don't see how it'd work.

>> No.56905308

>>56905055
I did too, at first, because they would "cry the Omnissiah's Tears" as they died to Corpuscarii nonsense. Then I read Infinite Circuit, and:

> He felt the miracle of the Motive Force course through his body. The insulating properties of ceramite were irrelevant now; the lightning was too powerful for that, less an assault than an exalted state of being. His suit connections haywired, and short electrical pulses caused his body to spasm. His bionic eye exploded in its socket, its flesh counterpart simply melting, dribbling down his face before the jelly steamed from his boiling skin. Somewhere in amongst the flurry of impulses shorting through his brain, he remembered to scream. He felt agony, bloody rapture, but through it all he could see. The lightning connected him to the infinite circuit that was the universe, and opened his eyes to the truth that Valtohm did indeed have a blessing to bestow.

>The flesh was weak.

>Matter was weak.

>And in a deliverance of rampant energy, Borhus of the Iron Hands finally saw the truth inside the light.

Since it mentions the Omnissiah's Tears as a separate thing there might be something to it.

>> No.56905339

>>56905306
Cut off the plastic tabs and glue them to the bases.

>> No.56905348

>>56905306
I was going to post some sarcy reply but I don't have the energy.
Just use clippers and snip them off where the foot meets the plastic base. Flat part of the clippers flush with the foot so it doesn't smush the foot

>> No.56905360

>>56902564
>Putting yourself on a smaller table with less room to menuver against an enemy who can now cover the entire board with soldiers. (12"*48"=546 in^2, that's more than enough room to fit the 375 Guardsmen you could hypothetically fit in a 1500 point game).

>> No.56905361

>>56902920
>Laughing ravenguard/alaitoc/stygies viii.jpg

>> No.56905367

>>56905179
chessex are known to be very unbalanced. Search chessex balance test.

>> No.56905388
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>>56905306
Cut
File
Pin
Glue

Excuse shit iPad pic

>> No.56905390
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>>56905088
GI Guard forever!

>> No.56905411

>>56905388
Never pinned before.

How small a drill bit do you need for Genestealers? I imagine its quite tiny since they have really small feet.

>> No.56905438

>>56905411
Small enough for a paper clip.

Doesn't need to be anything amazing. Go through the heel and up into the shin slightly

>> No.56905443

>>56905411
>Stygies
You don't need to pin if you're using plastic glue to attach them to a plastic base. The glue makes a strong enough bond once it fully cures.

>> No.56905466
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>>56905179
That's exactly what I did. $39USD total for the dice. $0.75 each and $12 shipping(seems a bit ridiculous).
>>56905367
Mine have been just fine so far.

>> No.56905474

>>56905466
Forgot to add, I ordered 36 dice.

>> No.56905479

>>56905411
Duncan covers pinning about 4:30 in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYHy9Fq2HME

>> No.56905484

>>56905360
>Not playing with a decent amount of terrain choking his deployment feeding them glorious Imperial Fist bolter fire

>> No.56905486

>>56905308
>of the Iron Hands
I'm pretty sure this is the kind of thing that goes through every iron hands marine's mind when he dies
"fuck i should be more machine"
I'm pretty sure it's just a metaphor for him realising his failings and having a religious freakout as he dies

>> No.56905494
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>tfw I like the looks of both the Taurox and Dreadknight

>> No.56905504

>>56905494
It's okay anon, it's 2017 retarded people can still lead long fulfilling lives

>> No.56905507

>>56905494
Same, anon. The dreadknight reminds me of that one episode of Dexter's Lab where he gets a combat suit for school or something. Always loved that episode as a kid.

>> No.56905511

>>56905494
I too hate the fact I like both apples and oranges...

>> No.56905545
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What's wrong with the Taurox?

>> No.56905553

>>56903294
>>56903426
Dropped 6 gaunts to give the tyrant wings and toxins, combined the Hive guard to one squad and gave the genestealers acid mass, really just forgot to check that last one.
On the trygon, i think that since they can already move as fast as they do, getting them to combat turn 1 relatively reliably shouldnt be a huge issue, and I feel like my points are better spent on the exocrine.
I also like going double neurothrope mostly for psychic dominance, having the extra powers and emotes helps a lot in my experience

>> No.56905556
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Anyone recognize the bling/robes on the chests of these Lamenters? I kinda want to make my terminators look better.

>> No.56905560

>>56905545
The front set of tracks

>> No.56905578
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>>56905545
Needs wheels.

>> No.56905579

>>56905556
I think they're from Space Hulk

>> No.56905591

>>56905556
Like the other anon said, space hulk
You can tell from the poses easily, but also the big ugly chunks of plastic they're mounted on

>> No.56905599

Glacial Geek seems to be one the only people I've found who does battle reports including Custodes. But I can't watch them. Why?

Cusstoads

>> No.56905609

>>56905591
>>56905579
Yeah now that you two say that I see it.
Fuck, I don't want to file all that blood shit off.

>> No.56905633

Want to hear the most vile and heinous thing I can think of?
Imagine this: Finecast Vehicles.

>> No.56905634

>>56905609
You DO know who the Lamenters are descended from, right?

>> No.56905644

>>56902375
Any T'''''au players used any of the FW flyers? I'm thinking about getting a Tiger Shark to paint up and i'm just wondering if they're anything other than a waste of points in games

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>>56905633

>> No.56905653
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https://www.mediafire.com/file/wfzizd2za1yqnc5/Fabius-Bile-Clonelord.epub

Hey anon(s), here ya go. Happy reading!

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>>56905599
Pip pip me ol' Blighty
Nothin wrong with a good old Custard Cream

>> No.56905660

>>56905634
I do. However, I don't play Lamenters or any kind of BA successor. I just want more ornate Terminators.

>> No.56905664

>>56905633

Can't be any worse than pewter vehicles.

>> No.56905681

>>56902466
this >>56902552
but also to denote which one was actually dangerous.

>> No.56905690

>>56905609
Its actually surprisingly easy to do, takes like 20 minutes for a squad

>> No.56905711
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>>56905653

>> No.56905716

>>56905306
How retarded can you be?
No seriously the Down syndrome employee I have look like fucking genius when I compare them to your retarded question

>> No.56905717

>>56905660
Well then Deathwing are what you want
You can just replace the pauldrons with the big DA symbols with normal ones and file away the little fetishes
Censers and shit aren't DA exclusive after all

>> No.56905754
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Never did a full melee list before, is this good?
I want to strive towards that as my second army.

>> No.56905768

>>56905717
I guess you're right. I've already taken their vet robes for mine anyway. Might as well keep stealing from them

>> No.56905769
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>>56904327

>> No.56905776

>tfw you watch random Duncan videos for random models you don't collect

Watching his Cawl one atm. And I hate Ad Mech.

This guy is so soothing.

>> No.56905787

>>56904966
What story?

>> No.56905794
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>>56905776
>And I hate Ad Mech
reported

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>>56905754
>1039
What kind of weird limits are you playing with, anon?

>> No.56905804

>>56902998
Boohoo, your 2nd founding chapter doesn't have a codex anymore.

None of the other second founding chapters ever had a codex and you've got more than Iron Hands who are an actual legion.

>> No.56905810
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Why is the Vindicare so useless?

>> No.56905840

>>56905797
1050 limit, it's easier to find a game like that.

>> No.56905861

>>56905754
>is this good?
No. That's super vulnerable. You are spending way too much on elite dudes and toys. and not enough on bodies. at 1000 points pick ONE of Death Company or S. Guard to be your hammer and actually bring an army.

>> No.56905879

>>56905840
You monster

>> No.56905959

How do GSC feel on board in 8th edition? Same question for Daemons. Want to get into the hobby

>> No.56905981
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>>56902925
this is how you convert them

>> No.56905990
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Did this faggot write his on 1d4chan page?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Aaron_Dembski-Bowden

>> No.56905992
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Which model is this ? Found in the back page of the nid codex

>> No.56906039

>>56905959
GSC got hurt a lot in the change to 8th. They're fairly weak at the moment, but should be fine once they get their codex. But who knows when that will be. I think Daemons are similar, although there are Tzeentch based builds that do pretty well. Also Daemons get their codex in January.

>> No.56906060

>>56905861
so what kind of body should I bring, tacticals?

>> No.56906065

>>56905981
That picture hurts me

>> No.56906094

>>56905754
>1039
Play a round number. You don't get to keep all you're goodies just because you're "slightly" over the points limit. If you can't afford something you can't afford something.

>16 Soldiers and a Dreadnaught
That said, I could kill this entire force in 2 turns with 1000 points. Unless you have a CP that you can spam every round that gives you universal 2+ invuln saves, weight of fire alone will cripple you each shooting phase.

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>>56905992
Mucolid Spore, pain in the arse to get because the Tyrannocyte is so much more useful than the Sporocyst and most competitive nid lists needed 3 of them

>> No.56906119
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56906119

So why are cultists better than marines?

>> No.56906136

>>56906119
because despite having like 3 poses they're loaded with character

>> No.56906138

>>56906060
Scouts are cheap as chips and can sit back and snipe enemies.

Tacticals are stronger but more expensive. If you want the bodies to charge with the elites take them or assault marines.

>> No.56906146

>>56906119
Because with a small investment of Command points, they out-shoot marines and are cheaper

>> No.56906149

>>56906060
Scouts mainly. But a few Tacs or Intercessors to hold backfield objectives aren't a bad idea. You should also consider going with cheaper versions of your super unit. Consider some chainsword Death Company or not taking the Sanguinary ancient (he's super expensive). Also Four characters and three buffing characters is overkill at that points level.

>> No.56906155

>>56905494
>like the Taurox
>like the Lord of Skulls
>like gorilla butt Orks
>like Mutilators/Obliterators
Either everyone else has shit taste or I do.

>> No.56906182

>>56906119
Because like old conscripts Chaos can entirely eliminate their main weakness (morale) and at that point they're far more point efficient in terms of damage output and points per wound suffered than marines.

>> No.56906210

>>56905990
Most of it was written before his stuff became tired and before HH was revealed to be such a shitpile.

>> No.56906217

>>56906138
>>56906060
Scout Snipers are meh. Especially for BA. For backfield duties I think your're better off with Bolt Rifle Intercessors at the same points. Basic Scout with Knives or Guns are cheap and great however.

>> No.56906234

>>56906102
Thanks. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

>> No.56906236

>>56905653
Thank you

>> No.56906257

>>56905990
/tg/ loved ADB when he was just "the dude that wrote the Night Lords books." Now it's been sucked into the greater culture war shitflinging.

>> No.56906328

Anyone have the Pepe Deredeo/poorfags btfo image?

>> No.56906368

>ctrl-f "necron"
>1/66 results

so how is the new fabius bile book?

>> No.56906384

Anyone here run a Conversion Beamer? They seem fun but kind of underpowered now. Haven’t had a chance to run one in 8th.

>> No.56906408

>>56905653>>56905653
you have warmaster anon??

>> No.56906477

>>56906155
I dont get what the problem with the Taurox is supposed to be, its fine
Also ape orks best orks

>> No.56906490
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>>56906119

They were almost as good as old IG conscripts, which were only better because orders. Now that the loyalist conscripts have their unit size cut in half, fail order 50% of the time, have to go out of their own book for leadership, pay reserve points to come back, AND are also one point more expensive, cultists are better in every conceivable way and one of the better points buys in the game atm. Look no further for proof that GW can't balance a game.

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>>56906138
>>56906149
>>56906217
Is that better?

>> No.56906509

Are all Plague Marines Death Guard originally? Wondering how to paint a unit of them for my Word Bearers.

>> No.56906529
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What’s the best way to arm neophytes from the battleforce? I was thinking one unit with shotguns and flamers and another with lasguns, grenade launchers, and a heavy weapon team. Then make the Rock grinder with an incinerator, and the acolytes with hand flamers

>> No.56906538

>>56906490
I'll consider it a balance issue when I see hordes of cultist topping tournies.

>> No.56906560

>>56906538

How do you feel about brimstone horrors?

>> No.56906588

>>56906501
Better. I'd still suggest you pick either Guard or Death Company and make one big squad of them though. You'll make better use of the stratagems that way.

>> No.56906590

>>56906538

So if I field an army of 300 conscripts at the new 4 points per model, and you field and army of 400 cultists against them, why do you think will happen? And when the inevitable trouncing occurs because cultists are simply objectively better despite costing less, you still will not consider the possibility that the units are poorly balanced?

>> No.56906591

>>56906560
Not as lovable as nurglings.

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>>56906591

I have something I think you'll like, anon.

>> No.56906634
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56906634

Hey guys, new Tyranid player here.

I've read people really like Kraken. Is there any reason to play the Hive Fleet when not taking Genestealers? I don't like the models and am more into Nidzilla (I have 2 Carnifexes, Hive Tyrant, Exocrine, Trygon Prime, Hive Guard, a few Rippers and 30 Termagants right now)

I don't play competitive bit would like to play a solid and efficient list with my favorite units.

>> No.56906648

>>56906619
Wut

>> No.56906651
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>>56906619

>> No.56906665

>>56906590
Do cultists have auras that are as good as imperial guard orders?

>> No.56906674

>>56906529
>playing Genestealer Cults
Good one anon. Some of us don’t cut ourselves at night after losing yet another game

>> No.56906680

>>56906665

If you are including the 50% failchance orders in this experiment (which are given by officers), then you can also include Chaos characters with psychic powers or leadership auras, so yes.

>> No.56906700
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Is there a way to give Guardsmen model a human size Storm Bolter?

I need those Storm Bolter for my Acolytes

>> No.56906713

>>56906588
Anons a thread ago suggested me to start with death company Strike Force but I'm not sure if I want one of those now.
I really like Sanguinary Guard models more and they are a little tougher.

>> No.56906717

>>56906680
The auras aren't that large or powerful for chaos and pyschic powers only work on one unit and need to activate.

>> No.56906719
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>>56906680
>chaos
>wasting buff on cultists instead of Magnus

>> No.56906732

>>56906619
Is there a connection between this and nurgle players?

>> No.56906735
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>>56906700
But humans look so cute two handing storm bolters.

>> No.56906761

>>56906732

nurgle's rot?

>> No.56906770

>>56906761
Oh didn't watch all of it.

Wish I didnt.

>> No.56906787

>>56906735
>post human size Storm Bolter
Are you high?

>> No.56906797

>>56906717
They don't have to be big. Only one model needs to be inside the Aura for it to work, so having two units on either side and one in front can still take a sizable area of the board.

>> No.56906801

>>56906619
are those maggots or bits of food that didn't get swallowed properly

>> No.56906813

>>56906713
Fair enough. You'll spend a bit more, but I think Ten Sanguinary Guard will serve you better than five of each. You can always get Death Company later if and when you decide to expand your army.

>> No.56906814

>>56906801

tonsil stones

>> No.56906818

>>56906797
You have 10 units of 40. Kind of hard to stick auras on that

>> No.56906841

>>56906787
I guess I misunderstood then. What's a non-human sized Storm bolter?

>> No.56906857

>>56906841
Space marines bolter.

>> No.56906858

>>56906818
Abaddon has a 12" fearless Aura.

>> No.56906859

>>56906813
Sanguinary Guard are in units of 4.
The box contains a 4 Guards and 1 Ancient.
So that kinda sucks.

>> No.56906874

>>56902440

Heavy Bolters FTW

Iron within!

>> No.56906877

>>56906841
He means one with normal human sized hands so he can put them on acolytes

>> No.56906885

>>56906857
>Space marines bolter.
That >>56906735 storm bolter is exactly the same size as a Terminator one. Just buy some plastic Terminator arm bits and Snip off the arm parts. Model them on Guardsmen two handed.

>> No.56906893

>>56906841
For starters how the fuck so you get the Storm Bolter out of the SoB?

Storm Bolter bits come from vehicles, old Metal marine commander and terminators.
Is there any other source? Because those are bigger than the already impossible to remove SoB storm Bolter

>> No.56906895

Is it an error that BA intercessors can't take a power sword?

>> No.56906907

>>56906818

Wow. Does it hurt bring that dumb?

>> No.56906908

Chapter Approved where?

>> No.56906928

>>56906885
Oh I totally forgot that Guardsmen have their hands glue into the lasguns

Guess I’m going third party again. Thanks anyway

>> No.56906933

>>56906859
Nah. There are enough of their fancy pistols on the sprue to make 5 normal guys. The Ancient is optional.

>> No.56906936

>>56906895
No

>> No.56906943

>>56906893

Bits resellers selling Horus Heresy bits. You can get them in different patterns, too. I'm a fan of the Mk.II ones, the ones with the barrels sticking out and the double-drum mag.

>> No.56906953

>>56906858
Commisars have that too no?

>> No.56906960

>>56903432
If you're going to spam that many Kroot I'd just drop the Firewariors all together.

>> No.56906965

>>56906928

Genestealer weapon arms have shotguns, and those poses might be easier to swap with a Storm Bolter. IG Codex has a few kitbash examples of regiments using GSC parts if you want reference.

>> No.56906966

>>56905599
WOO

>> No.56906971

>>56906953
Nope. They got nerfed so they only provide a ld buff.

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>>56906893
>For starters how the fuck so you get the Storm Bolter out of the SoB?

You don't. Buy Terminator bits. There are tons of them super cheap. And as I said, there is no smaller "human sized" storm bolter. SoB Storm Bolters are the same size as Termie ones. They just wield them in two hands rather than one.

>> No.56906975

>>56906907
Would be difficult to string them all around one dude.

Faggot.

>> No.56906982

>>56906965
I second this dude. Its tempting to use guard as acolytes, but they're kinda old. Use Scions or GSC as the base for your Acolytes and it'll be a whole lot easier.

>> No.56906990
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56906990

>>56906509
Anyone?

>> No.56906992

>>56906971
Wait seriously? The shoot one dude that runs away got changed? Iiiiiiiinteresting.

>> No.56907011

>>56906953
>>56906971
And they were only 6". Abaddon gives you a ~25" diameter circle. It's super easy to daisy chain all your cultists into it.

>> No.56907016

>>56906992
It shoots a dude to reroll a failed test.

>> No.56907025

>>56906972
No space for the other hand

>> No.56907026

>>56905599
It's the better way to to pronounce it

>> No.56907037

>>56907011
Okay, but aren't orders just better?

>> No.56907045
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56907045

What’d you Anons get done this evening?
Just finished a nice set of doors for my Immolator.

>> No.56907049

>>56907026
Its the worst possible pick out of all the ways to say it wrong

>> No.56907052

>>56907037
Not with the 50% chance to fail on conscripts.

>> No.56907065

>>56906982
God damn it I wanted to start GSC too.

I figure more humanoid model could work for my Witch Hunter since my theme is SoB main leading bunch of suicidal and repenting mutants

>> No.56907069

>>56906990
in an older codex, it is mentioned that they can create new plague marines. im not sure about current, but it seems that if papa nurgle could create plague mareins 30k years ago, he could still do it today

>> No.56907078

>>56907052
Why use conscripts when infantry squads cost the same PPM

>> No.56907083

>>56907049
Saying Cuh-sto-days or Cuh-sto-deez makes you sound like a fucking idiot. Cuh-stoads sounds like how you should actually pronounce it.

>> No.56907089

>>56907045
Pretty, but why use the most boring Order? That is like painting Ultramarines

>> No.56907092
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>>56906634
Kraken and Kronos are the two strongest fleets because they buff a certain playstyle to the max
>Kraken: fast melee bugs
>Kronos: shooty Bugs

The others are
>Gorgon: Melee Damage
>Leviathan/Jormungandr: Trade flexibility for durability
>Hydra: Swarms
>Behemoth: Deepstrike Spam
If you plan on going for a VERY shooty heavy list, go Kronos, and spam the fuck out of Dakkafexes, Exocrines, T-fexes and Hive Guards. Your melee units will only exist to screen your shooty bugs.

Kraken is obviously best suited for Genestealers, but it can work for big bugs too. The important thing to note is that EVERYTHING RUNS which is why taking guns on anything but your standard backline (I recommend taking 6 hive guard every game, no matter the fleet) is a waste of points.

Gorgon is like Kraken, only focusing on damage over speed. However, since Kraken synergizes with the best melee unit in the dex (stealers), its usually better for running melee nids with. Nidzilla can work, though.

Behemoth and Hydra are both bad picks for you. The former is only a good fleet if you spam deepstrikers (at least 2 trygons and 2 flyrants), while Hydra does literally nothing for your monsters.

Finally Leviathan and Jormungandr are both pretty decent for Nidzilla, since they favor durability, which can be useful for monsters.

Leviathan is more reliable in the long game (6+++ FNP against shooting, psychic, melee), but harder to pull off since you need a shitton of synapse creatures.

Jormungandr is straight up amazing vs shooting, but you take alot of sacrifices to make it work. It limits your mobility highly, forcing you to spam dakkamonsters, while being less effective at shooting than Kronos. Since falling back exists, be ready for your monsters to get absolutely rekt on your opponents turn when they pull out of combat.
Also realize that, if your opponent play's a melee army himself, you're literally shooting yourself in the foot for taking jormungandr.

Try them all and see for yourself

>> No.56907094

>>56907078
Why indeed.

>> No.56907098

>>56907083
but with all the faux latin, i always assume you are supposed to pronounce it like it shouldnt, i always think in my head cuh-sto-deez when i read it

>> No.56907115

>>56907083
Saying it "toads" makes you look like a fucking idiot when its the wrong way to do it
>>56907098
If one checks, lets say Duncan's tutorial on painting one of them or one of very many audio books, its "deez"

>> No.56907124

>>56907078
You don't. But the small squad size means Leadership management is harder and buffs don't go as far.

>> No.56907128

>>56907052
Looking at orders they seem way better and worth it.
>>56907078
Wut

>> No.56907135

>>56907128
Conscripts and Infantry are both 4 points each.

>> No.56907137

>>56907128
Chapter Approved, conscripts cost the same amount of points as normal guard infantry

>> No.56907138

>>56907089
>most boring Order
The Orders all barely have fluff. They're just paint schemes at this point. And Sisters are preactically Unicorns anyway. It's not at all the same.

>> No.56907169

>>56907135
>>56907137
Must be fluff based rules that the imperiums decisions make no fucking sense.

>> No.56907172
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>>56907138
>sisters are unicorns

>> No.56907187

>>56907138
Again, why the most boring order?

>> No.56907188

>>56907128
Well I mean Abaddon lets Black Legion Cultists re-roll all failed hits. And you have Tide of Traitors which is WAY better than Send in the Next way since its worded to not require reinforcement points. Not to mention other Chaos buffs and Strats.

>> No.56907192

>>56907089

How is Our Martyred Lady boring?
Their fluff about changing their name after Saint Katherine getting killed is neat.
They even changed their colour scheme after martyring so many of themselves on Armeggedon.
I also had a *really* old transfer sheet with some OML images still on it, so it was a good excuse to start this order.

>> No.56907213

>>56907169
No It was GW overreacting to the tournament scene. They nerfed Conscripts 3 ways when they probably only needed to pick two of three.

>> No.56907227

>>56907187
>most boring order?
They aren't?

>> No.56907237
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56907237

So each set of Scions comes with 1 plasma 1 volley gun and 1 melta?
I've been trying to figure out if I should get the Scions Start Collecting! but I'm not sure about the value
And in the SC! You get two kits, so 2 of each? I'm going go have to get plasma guns from somewhere else if thats all they're giving me

>> No.56907265

>>56907092
>that profile and arrangement
Has anyone ever done up Tyranids in purple and green?

>> No.56907269

>>56907187

fyi, Ebon chalice is the most boring order. Literally just “We were the first order”.

>> No.56907271

>>56907237
Another problem is all the plasma guns are holding the gun in one arm and pointing with the other. They look stupid. I think you could manage to do like 2 Plasma, 2 Melta and maybe 2 Grenade Launchers/Flamers with the kits. Pretty sure the Melta arms are the same as the Hotshot Volley Gun arms.

>> No.56907285
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56907285

So what are the hopes for the EC full release?

>> No.56907291

>>56907269
There is tradition of hating the poster boys of any faction.
/tg/ used to respect traditions

>> No.56907294

>>56907271
I wish GLs were worth taking, they look so good

>> No.56907303

>>56907237

Get X2 SC boxes
>2 squads with double meltas
>2 squads with double plasmas
>2 BRRRT Tauroxes
>Headswap commissar for tempestor Prime

>> No.56907306

>>56907285
Probably not happening for at least 2 years.

>> No.56907312

>>56907294
Agreed, I wish so too. Sometimes I take them for fun, but they aren't worth 5 points. Maybe if the frag shot was S4 they could be good. They should honestly be bumped down to 2 points to be worth it over plasma.

>> No.56907314

>>56907285
There'll be a full 40k army release of Custodes before that'll happen

>> No.56907345

>>56905653
Many thanks kind anon. May your dice roll high.

>> No.56907371

>>56907213
Maybe conscripts are just fundamentally broken for their cost and all that?

>> No.56907373

>>56905810
Read Nemesis. They pick the really useless fuckups to be Vindicare.

>> No.56907374

>>56907362
>>56907362
>>56907362

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>>56907314
Ok then what are your hopes for the full custodes release?

>> No.56907409

Are the last chancers usable in 8th? They are the last of my models

>> No.56907415

>>56907371
Oh Conscripts were absolutely OP and needed to be nerfed. But they did so much that they aren't even viable at all anymore.

>> No.56907492

>>56907285
>So what are the hopes for the EC full release?
late jan early feb probably. it depends on how fast we'll see new noisemarine figures

>> No.56907579

>>56903510

I have a few in my old marine list

They were pretty fun and hit or miss value wise

>> No.56908099

>>56907092

What do you get from Kraken when you can't charge after advancing?

To me it seems really only good with Genestealer spam and OP said he doesn't like those

>> No.56908156

Thinking of making an ork army with a green and purple color scheme for waluigi themed orks

>> No.56908504

>>56902420
That is a fantastic model, I had a visceral disgust reaction when I opened the image.

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