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Ynnari novel share Edition

>Fill in the survey, ask GW for more Primaris
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>Chapter Approved Points Leaks, the tears lmao
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>Chapter Approved full Strats, Traits, Relics, Powers, and Reece Spin lmao
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>Daily Dunked Peaches
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>FAQs, Errata, and Designer Commentary (up to 1.3):
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>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in properly converted pdf & epub, fully bookmarked and linked with in-line errata annotations
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>Old Black Library Mega
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>Math-hammer (thank Autism!)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10t6_FO9mTaG8FHY4B7v6hOQgwc3gXxUiIOrMYt16I6M/edit#

>> No.56715633

Sanguinary dropped 2 points base according to WHTVDan.

>> No.56715647

NTH FOR ORKS ARE DA BIGGEST AND DA STRONGEST

>> No.56715654

Third for begfags

>> No.56715671
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Fourth for the angry hammer of the best primarch

>> No.56715673

>>56715605
Last time something shocking was "no longer available" it was because some retard accidentally pressed the wrong button when they were looking at the product's database listing.

What's most likely is you'll get new boxart, maybe a new box with twice as many models saving you about $5-10

>> No.56715680
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>>56715541
Give me your power rankings, I'll start this off again:
my dudes > your dudes

>> No.56715683

>>56715633
Sanguinary Guard that is. Also Primaris Apothecaries are not Primaris Sanguinary Priest. The blood Angels dont trust them enough with the blood rituals apperantly.

>> No.56715684

>Cadian Shock Troops
>no longer available on GW store
>not "temporarily sold out"
>no longer available
GUYS, WHAT'S GOING ON

>> No.56715702

>>56715684

Mold broke or some shit

>> No.56715708

>>56715673
The plastic Chaplain is still "no longer available" on the US store, but is still buy-able on the NZ store
shit's irritating

>> No.56715713

>>56715684

Likely getting reboxed.

>> No.56715714

>>56715684

The planet blew up, what did you expect?
Plastic Vostroyans when?

>> No.56715720

>>56715684
Reboxing.

>> No.56715736
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56715736

5th for eldar are okay but probably still give people ptsd

>> No.56715738

>>56715708
which chaplain

>> No.56715753

>>56715713
>>56715720

Wtf is that, like a different box or is the set being altered?

>> No.56715759
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56715759

Fuck me and fuck you all for caring about mould lines so that I had to care about them.

My time taken to build models has gone up 200% because of this shit.

>> No.56715763

>>56715736

Mine are still wrecking face.

>> No.56715768

>>56715753
packaging with datasheets

>> No.56715784

>>56715753
>>56715768


They've been doing this weird - costs more but ends up being a price cut reboxing in AoS as well where they'll double the box contents and increase the price by 1.5

>> No.56715787

>>56715648
necrons are fucking absurd dude, take warriors and immortals and laugh

I know a guy who only plays necrons and he faces tournament armies on the regular (we have a great mix of narrative and waac players)

I've seen necrons go up against Guilliman and razorbacks, Guilliman and stormravens, ynnari, eldar footsloggers, eldar wraith constructs, dark angel dreadnought gunline, tyranid swarmlists, conscript spam pre-faq, leman russ spam, pretty much every WAAC list you name it he's played against it.

Only thing I haven't seen him face is 'nid monster mash or greentide lists really.


He's smashed them. He doesn't table them, he doesn't get tabled, he just grinds out squads here and there and slowly wins on attrition and securing objectives. It's never and exciting game, but it also makes sense from a lore perspective.

They're necrons, they have one way of fighting (mass attrition ala terminators) and they don't deviate from this strategy.

If you want variance pick marines or some other army who has more than a dozen kits.

>> No.56715789

>>56715683
>Blood Angels don't trust primaris
>Dark Angels don't trust primaris

Truly the best legions. Codex Angels of Death to the end

>> No.56715793

>>56715738
the one that came with the Reclusiarch box, it's not even listed on the site anymore, not even on NZ

>> No.56715799

>>56715617
Why are the Night Lords so much better than the other legions? Is it because they're smart enough to run from clearly lost battles?

>> No.56715814

>>56715671
Look at his little arm

>> No.56715816

>>56715784
>>56715768
>>56715753
reboxing depends on what GW wants to do with it

sometimes they give you more models, sometimes not, depends what the accountants who track the beans say needs to happen


100% guaranteed the box will be incubi darkness (some weird dark blue-green colour) and it will say ASTRA MILLITARUM on the top and the back will have some shitty catchphrase about what the unit is.


Eldar and Dark Eldar already got this treatment, they're phasing out old boxes aggressively

>> No.56715825

>>56715787
has he played against admech?

>> No.56715842

>>56715784
so back to 20 guardsmen in a box for 35$? I'm down completely

>> No.56715843
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56715843

>>56715799
>cowardly
>makes you better

fuck off fag

>> No.56715847

>>56715793
I don't know which one you're talking about, there's so many chaplains it's hard to keep straight.

There's more chaplain models than necron kits ffs

>> No.56715849

>>56715787

Then he is playing piss awful players.

>> No.56715863

>>56715843
Shitty proportions. Termies are as high as power armoured marines.

>> No.56715865

>>56715680

Power ranking for what format ?

For tourney you need to soup it up anyway, with maybe the exceptions of Xenos/IG/Gulliman.

Some CAAC armies are trash (Sister of Battle) while their WAAC version is top tier (Meltaspam), some CAAC armies are good while their WAAC edition is meh tier (Death Guard).

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>>56715671
WHY YOU DIDN'T WANTED TO SEE MY LEGOS?

>> No.56715873

>>56715787
Those players must be bad, I'm sorry. I take silly fun lists against Necrons and I still win or barely lose.

>> No.56715877

>>56715684
Everyone forgets that this happened to Imperial Knights in April. They're not going anywhere, just getting reboxed.

>> No.56715878

>>56715849
>it's not possible for people to actually be good at 40K, they're just playing against idiots

>> No.56715881

>>56715825
Yeah I always forget admech because admech are literally guard but slightly worse

That's mostly how people are playing them though, robotspam is really strong so admech is like tier 1.5

>>56715849
If you believe that to be true you're retarded, it's not hard to figure out how guilliman and razorback spam is good, by sheer dice a bad player will crush shit lists

maybe it's your necron list if you're struggling :)

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>>56715847
found it, pic related
I don't know why it was renamed this, but the point is, it's no longer available.

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>>56715863
>shitty proportions

Do you really want to see shitty proportions in 40k?

>> No.56715894

>>56715881

I play Ynnari and you cannot put an Necron list on the table that I cannot remove before the end of the 3rd turn.

>> No.56715902

>>56715885
they've pulled all their deathwatch kits except for a few

deathwatch didn't meet their sales expectations

dunno where that plastic guy will end up

>> No.56715906

Best factions:

Guard. Eldar. Tyranids.

Power Gap.

Ad Mech. Tzeentch Daemons. Space Marines of all variety except Grey Knights.

Power Gap.

Xenos shit without a codex.

>> No.56715912

>>56715789
As a DA player if they're not going to actully add any more fluff I totally support the idea of rolling BA and DA back into a single codex yiffs can get stuffed though

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>>56715890

>> No.56715918

>>56715789
What was the Space Wolves' reaction?

>> No.56715920

>>56715894
what about now that ynnari doesn't have soulburst

>> No.56715921

>>56715902
That's fucking dumb
glad I got this little guy, he's a gorgeous model.

>> No.56715926

>>56715906
admech that aren't mars or stygies should be put at the bottom

>> No.56715928

>>56715843
It's not cowardice, retreat is a very intelligent move

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>>56715865
What is this CAAC meme you're starting?

>> No.56715953

>>56715921
deathwatch bikers vanishing was the shocker, especially since they came with the right bases for bikes

now if anyone wants to play deathwatch they have to spend so much money on upgrade sprues

I'd be surprised if deathwatch get a codex, they seem like index material now honestly

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>>56715789
So marinelets dont trust half of their chapter right now?

>> No.56715960

>>56715885
... why do deathwatch need chaplains?
also why do GKs need chaplains? aren't they all supposed to be super pure, brainwashed and hex warded?

>> No.56715962

>>56715914
I'm honestly more troubled by those space-bending seals that somehow all face the same way.

>> No.56715965

>>56715926
Obviously. But that also assumes your Eldar is Alaitoc and your Guard infantry are Cadian with the tanks being Catachan.

>> No.56715968

>>56715914
I still think she's cool. I have a Terminator Inquisitor with a 3rd party girl head that reminds me of her.

>> No.56715973

>>56715920

They still have soul burst. I only need it on a few key units, early game drives Soul Burst on Dark Reapers and possibly double move, late game you drive D-Scythes.

The nerf hurt traditional Ynnari armies that were playing MSU for max soul burst but armies that were looking to really only generate 1 to 2 soul bursts a turn anyway came out fine, if not better due to access to CWE stratagems and -2 to hit flyers.

>> No.56715976

>>56715890
But on this >>56715843 whoever made this image(WE are from HH 6 I belive) fucked up scale by making terminator A BIG GUY.
In actuall book they are in correct scale.

Comic inquisitor is a mistake

>> No.56715980

>>56715906

You forgot SOB. They are one of the faction with the highest faction rating differential in WAAC. (i.e. : playing sister average way better than other factions, even if they don't finish on the podium).

Also Eldars are more of the power level of space marine without soulburst, while gulliman is still disgustingly undercosted.

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>>56715787
Fake news.

>> No.56715989

>>56715842
>Doing this AFTER the IG was OP for a couple months and was finally nerfed.
Oh GW never change!

>> No.56715991

>>56715947
Casual at all Costs

>> No.56715994

>>56715947

Casual At All Costs - the most toxic player base that exists.

>> No.56715995

>>56715890
>>56715914
How would they use space marine armor anyway? No black carapace.

>> No.56715996

>>56715953
It doesn't help that they completely fucked up their rules, they were too expensive, and weak, even by marine standards

>> No.56715998

>>56715736
>tfw geting ptsd from facing 30 altaioc dark reapers in wave serpents
FUCK eldar

>> No.56715999

>>56715960
Imagine being the therapist for someone who regularly gazes into the realm of pure unreality.

>> No.56716005

>>56715902
>deathwatch didn't meet their sales expectations

Maybe give them playable rules. You go in any store "yeah cool model but they are shit don't play them".

>> No.56716008

>>56715863
>I am NOT addicted to stim packs! I just need a quick boost for the next op....DON'T TOUCH MY STIMS!

>> No.56716010

>>56715736
They are more annoying than anything. Winning against Eldar isn't fun and neither is losing.

>> No.56716011

>>56715989
>All the WAACniggers leave
>get Marbo
>get 20 guardsmen in a box again
>get a battleforce
life is good

>> No.56716026

>>56715959
Of course they don't. You need to be a braindead retard to trust in these filthy blasphemous mutants

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>>56715890
>>56715914
She must stand on the knees and control the arms with levers in the chest.

>> No.56716038

>>56715914
Slenderman's edgy teenage daughter in power armor.

>> No.56716039

>>56715633
It matters a lot more if they reduced the ridiculous 9 pt bolters and brought the encarmine weapons into line with the fist/hammer reductions. Building a full squad with power fist because its better feels just stupid.

>> No.56716041

>>56715914
>Female Bane

"That would be extremely heretical... FOR YOU!"

>> No.56716043

>>56715960
GK need chaplains because GW want to sell more terminator chaplains. In previous editions(3rd, 5th 7th) GK haven't got chaplains.

>> No.56716044

>>56715787
>netlisting players are shit at the game and dont know the basic rule to beating necrons with ease: focus fire
More news at 11

>> No.56716052

>>56716028
Yeah it's like a big suit for her to control. They even show that in a previous page, but no one posts that and instead laughs at the idea of her being a goofy long limb shit.

>> No.56716055

>>56716044
all of these necron posts assume that other people are shit, but not me!

>> No.56716057
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Am I still CAAC if I bring Possessed? They were majorly buffed.

>> No.56716059

It I target a unit of tau pathfinders that also has a drone it it, how the hell does the drone interact with the unit's toughness and saves?

>> No.56716063

>>56716028
Is that armour designed for someone with arms attached to their neck or something?

>> No.56716066

>>56716011
Okay, granted its good for us proper guard players. But GW missed an obvious opportunity for the mad dosh.

Then again, maybe someone in GW is rewarding the loyalists among us.

>> No.56716074

>>56715995
you can't but an inquisitor with enough pull gould get custom power armour and possibly use Mind impulse units to pilot it

>> No.56716076

>>56715881
Robot spam sucks. It's godawful and the reason why people think admech are bad.

>> No.56716077

>>56716028
Making Inquisitorial Terminator armour in space marines size is retarded. It should be human size like inquisitorial power armours

>> No.56716087

>>56716076
dreadnoughts are amazing this edition anon

>> No.56716093

>>56716066
Considering we get Marbo, I am inclined to believe, when does this little shit go up for sale? I want him NOW

>> No.56716099

>>56715947

Casual at all Cost.
Basically the most toxic of all player.
A sore loser that wants to win on it's own-made rule.

Players who plays point instead of power level and then complain about other players putting competitive lists instead of "balanced and fluffies" armies.

Most of the time players whom codex allows for a "balanced and fluffy" armies to be top tier against other "balanced and fluffy" armies.

Balanced and fluffy is also just an another expressionfor : no duplicate, no soup. Just pick one of each unit, disrespectful of the actual lore,RP, synergy behind a list. Giving huge advantage to armies with lots of good choices (SM, Guard) but fucking tighter armies.

>> No.56716102

>>56715918
REMEMBER that one of Leman Russ greatest laments was that he couldn't have a lot of chapters, perhaps Bjorn is still salty but they do need the bodies and the prospect of more space wolves chapters might finally allow them to encircle the eye

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>>56715995
>implying black carapace can match the toys the Inquisition has at their disposal

10,000 years of collecting warp artifacts and xenos tech sends you to some weird places.

>> No.56716113

>>56716055
Do you have a more rational explanation?

>> No.56716114

>>56716093
He's in GW stores only Dec 23rd for one day

Later he'll have a wide release

>> No.56716119

>>56716028
That must be awkward as fuck: learning to walk by moving your legs like that. Like doing the longstroke in water while standing straight up.

>> No.56716123

>>56716057
I think they're good, but mostly in something like a Renegades list.

Then again, nothing is good in a word bearers list. You're pretty much automatically a CAACfag if you play Word Bearers on the tabletop.

>> No.56716124

>>56716099
I like this meme, CAAC wants to bitch and moan about balance even though they will never attend a tournament

>> No.56716134

>>56715906
>Best Factions: Tyranids
>tfw suffered all through 7th only to become the WAAC army
I dont know if I should cry of joy or pain

>Midtier: Space Marines
I can live with that pretty well, actually

>Except Grey Knights
>"internal sobbing intensifies"

>> No.56716135

>>56716114
>He's in GW stores only Dec 23rd for one day
Boy that's just really nice to those of us who don't have a GW within a 100 mile radius, so I'm going to have to wait until the new year to get him?

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>>56716123

I refuse to say my army is red alpha legion with colchisian runes instead of scales written all over the armor.

Word Bearers legion rules or bust.

>> No.56716140

>>56716113
I'd say that /tg/ is shit, that all these anons who contribute to the 3-4k posts per day in 40kgs are shit

if they spent as much time painting and playing as they do shitposting maybe they would be better painters, gamers, and people.

>> No.56716145

>>56716124

Yeah that's the crew.

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>>56716102
>Encircle the eye
What? You mean the one SPANNING THE DIAMETER OF THE GALAXY!?!

>> No.56716160

>>56716135
yes

>> No.56716163

>>56716140
/tg/ being shit at the game doesn't explain the situation though

>> No.56716170

>>56716140

That still doesn't explain or any way make reasonable the statement that Necrons aren't shit or are capable of top table play.

>> No.56716172

>>56716076
Let's run the numbers if we are doing optimum robot spam.

6 robots on protector protocol next to cawl with wrath of mars and elimination volley, 108 shots, rerolling all of them on a 3+ with mortal wounds on a 5+. 96 S5 ap-2 D1 shots with 36 mortal wounds

12 destroyers, on average doing 21(?) shots next to cawl at S8 ap -3 D2

This will delete basically any unit just with number of shots, the mortals are enough to destroy a primarch

>> No.56716176

>>56715999
k, so why didn't they have them before for like 7 editions?

>> No.56716189

Please help me for I am retard.

How the fuck do I have adeptus custodes in my army without using a aux support detatchment? I want to play with grey knights, adeptus custodes, and sisters of silence. Custodes seemingly can only be brought in an aux detachment due to lack of hq units, that gimps my command points and limits me to one squad. I would like to take 2 10 man squads. Same goes for sisters, ever detachment needs an hq and I can’t seem to take any with them. Maybe I’m retarded, or battle scribe is. Who knows? Thank you in advance

>> No.56716193

>>56716160
Maybe I can get my friend to pick him up for me in the meantime. Thanks anon, where did you get this info btw?

>> No.56716198

>>56716172
The trouble is that it comes on a completely immovable blob.

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>>56716176
Because GW hates GK and tossed us the scraps of the glorious Space Marine Thank-the-Emperorsgiving dinner like the dogs we are.

>> No.56716204

>>56716189
Custodes are getting a HQ soon so just wait for that

>> No.56716205

>>56716189
Take an inquisitor as your HQ, preferably the named hereticus one

>> No.56716217

>>56716189
Custodes are Imperium. Take an Inquisitor. Then there's also a Custodes HQ coming.

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>>56716189
>I want to play with grey knights, adeptus custodes, and sisters of silence.
This is literal tabletop suicide

>> No.56716224

>>56716198
name one that can take all of those shots and the mortals

>> No.56716225
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56716225

Are there any kots in 40k?

>> No.56716227

>>56716193
it's in the white dwarf, well dec 23 is in the white dwarf

I had to ask my gw store manager who told me that he's in GW stores for one day only as "first blood"

>> No.56716230

>>56716225
yvraine has spacekot

>> No.56716234

>>56716225
I assume this means cats?
The Eldar wench has one

>> No.56716235

>>56716201
>smite is the only thing making GK competetive
>better nerf it into the ground
>even their librarians are the worst in the game

I'm glad my whole army isn't GK, at least they still look cool

>> No.56716237

>>56716140
Thats not an argument though.
Whats your necron list, I'd like to know. Honestly.
Because, ffs, even my Grey Knights absolutely wipe the floor with any necron player I go up against.

>> No.56716239

>>56716227
>Sly Marbo: First Blood Part 1
fucking cheeky cunts

>> No.56716242

>>56716224
It doesn't matter that it has stupid firepower, it's stuck all game in one place doing fuck all against anything it can't see.

>> No.56716246

>>56716225
felinds in the imperial guard who are cat people
no official models that I know of but adding ears shouldn't be too hard

>> No.56716247

>>56716189
>Please help me for I am retard.
>How the fuck do I have adeptus custodes in my army without using a aux support detatchment? I want to play with grey knights, adeptus custodes, and sisters of silence. Custodes seemingly can only be brought in an aux detachment due to lack of hq units, that gimps my command points and limits me to one squad. I would like to take 2 10 man squads. Same goes for sisters, ever detachment needs an hq and I can’t seem to take any with them. Maybe I’m retarded, or battle scribe is. Who knows? Thank you in advance

You're definitely retarded considering you're taking GKs, Custodes and Sisters of Silence in an army.

Also you're using battlescribe, stop using battlescribe

>> No.56716255

>>56716235

Pro-tip there is no nerf to Smite in CA.

>> No.56716256

>>56716219
It would only work against a psyker heavy list.

>> No.56716257

>>56716201
Should've never been a standalone army desu. Too specialized.

>> No.56716260

>>56716219
As far as I understand sisters don’t hurt their own people now, how is it sudoku?

>> No.56716262

>>56715617
What sound do you think Lascannons make? A "BVOOOOOM" sound, with the cannon shooting a long beam, or shooting a laser bolt that makes a "BWA-PEW" sound?

What sound do Shuriken guns of the Eldar make? Are they silent, or do they make a sound that is like knives flying through the air? Like a sort of "fwichichichichi!"?

>> No.56716264

>>56716235
Mine is...Good thing I own 2 other armies.

>> No.56716266
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>>56716230
hmm that's a cute kot but i feel like there's room for more warkots

>> No.56716276

>>56715995
>How would they use space marine armor anyway

They don't.
Astartes gear is for astartes only.

Human wearable bolter are a different pattern.
Astartes : Godwyn Mark Vb Pattern mostly. The one on plastic marines.
Humans : Godwyn-De'az Pattern, developped M36 for the SOB. More compact, less ammo in a clip.


Same shit with power armors :
Astartes : Max II-X. Gravis. Need the black carapace interface. Astartes sized
Humans : Much less thick, much less strength enhancement, not void proof, no (or very basic) life/combat support like painkillers, combat drugs, etc...

Terminator suits used to be mining-operations suits that were retrofitted for astartes. They actually started as civilians protections.

And then you have Artificer armor, who are tailored for the individual anyway.

>> No.56716281

>>56716255
Grey Knights have a codex specific nerf to their smite. Unless you're playing againts daemons, in which case they're fucked.

>> No.56716284

>>56716247
Again explain how it is bad please. Do you have a better list builder in mind?

>> No.56716288

>>56716201
or, just a suggestion is it because they were never intended to be an army in the first place and their being given units because "well the other marines have them" rather than because it makes any god damned sense?

>> No.56716293

>>56716262
Everything sounds like Dawn of War 2.

>> No.56716295

>>56716134
It's been 4 editions since we were good man.
It's finally happening.
Enjoy these moments while you can, soon they might be over.

>> No.56716299

>>56716262
A sharp snap from the lascannon and a high pitched whine from the shuriken.

>> No.56716302

>>56716260
He means those units/factions are bad

>>56716266
>Biotians terrorize aircraft in the Tyranid invasion of Baal

>> No.56716304

>>56716281

Most armies have a similar nerf to their 'mass psykers'

>> No.56716305

>>56716242
>implying that someone isn't going to take a 52 point tax to make one of the best units admech has mobile

>> No.56716312

>>56716260
Because its the weakest imperial soup army possible.
It would only win against an army with tons of psykers, or a dogshit necron list or something.

>> No.56716314

>>56716302
>He means those units/factions are bad
Everything is bad that doesn't rely on broken gimmicks.

>> No.56716316

>>56716262
lascannons make a "FREEEM" sound

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>>56716304
>Most armies
>cites 0

>> No.56716319

>>56716302
It’s more that I like how they look I have other armies for “good” play

>> No.56716320

>>56716264
>good thing I own two other armies
Same here, brother.

>> No.56716327

>>56715995
to develop more on >>56716276

If we were top make abstractions of the balance for the crunch, Humans power armor is 3+ Space Marine power armor is 2+ S+1, Terminator is (and used to be when first released) 3+ on 2D6.

>> No.56716329

>>56716318

Eldar, Chaos Demons?

>> No.56716334

>>56716172
Cool. Then your robots get charged by a rhino and you're not doing anything for 2 turns. And you can't hold any objectives because you're crammed in one corner of the board. If your opponent doesn't suck, you lose every time.

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Terminators list idea for Death Guard.

Thoughts?

>> No.56716339

>>56716151
If it's necessary now, then they'll do it!

>> No.56716355

>>56716334

>Not bubble wrapping your shooting base

>> No.56716376

>>56716334
108 overwatch shots with rerolls
screening units
cawl is a CC monster
24 S6 hits are still pretty good

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>> No.56716379

>>56716266
>building your wings backwards
ahahahaa

>> No.56716380

>>56716284

For quick and dirty listbuilding, no. I may develop one this winter though, with specifically avoiding publishing the rules/pictures for the models so that GW don't sue my shit.

And also a good export format for /tg/, reddit, tournament use and your opponent.

As it is Battlescribe software is okay. It's just that the guys maintaining the list are lazy dorks with reading comprehensions issues.

>> No.56716391

>>56716379
wait wut

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>>56716378

>> No.56716396

>>56716284
because it's fan xls files which battlescribe tries to read there's frequent bugs, errors, incorrect point values and overall battlescribe can't actually read your list to tell you if it's legal or not

I've seen as many legal lists marked illegal as illegal lists marked legal.

With listbuilders /tg/ has a tendency to use them and forgo looking at the codex and rulebook and frequently they make listbuilding mistakes.

>> No.56716400

>>56716355
So your entire army is going to sit in a corner the whole game? Thanks for the free objectives.

>> No.56716404

>>56716378
wtf dude

>> No.56716406

>>56716262

Long beam. They sound like a crack due to rapid ionization of the air.

If Dan Abnett is canon, and as the least shitty and most coherent BL author he is

>> No.56716410

>>56715906
>GK don't even get a place on the list

>> No.56716414

>>56716400

>Not realizing AdMech has access to very cheap screening units with a 30" range gun

>> No.56716423

>>56716355
Admech doesn't do screens well. Small unit size and bad morale means a determined opponent is getting at your immobile robot turrets if he's any good at all. Your 15 Rangers isn't doing shit.

I play Admech dude and I can assure you I know what I'm talking about. Cawl castle loses against a competent opponent.

>> No.56716426

>>56716400
So you're going to ignore dragoons, infiltrators, knights, the best snipers in the game and fulgurite electro along with any non admech units?

Thanks for the free kill points

>> No.56716427

>>56716414
And how much of the board do you think you'll be able to cover from your one location?

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>>56716139
My brother of the Word! I too am glad possessed got a buff, just finished a squad of them, hoping to use summoning to bring a herald in to buff them, and maybe give my army some kind of psychic presence. Any successful tactics you've had with them?

>> No.56716435

>>56716059
The drones are separate units.

>> No.56716437
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I havent played my crons yet this ed, is this a decent list? was doing some test rolling aganst different toughness and saves and it seems like necrons are sort of wank. am i just retarded? what am i missing?


++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Necrons) [37 PL, 704pts] ++

+ HQ +

Vargard Obyron [8 PL, 151pts]

+ Elites +

Lychguard [8 PL, 150pts]: 5x Lychguard, Warscythe

+ Fast Attack +

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 78pts]: 6x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Wraiths [12 PL, 190pts]: 5x Canoptek Wraith

Tomb Blades [5 PL, 135pts]
. Tomb Blade: Nebuloscope
. . Two Gauss Blasters: 2x Gauss Blaster
. Tomb Blade: Nebuloscope
. . Two Gauss Blasters: 2x Gauss Blaster
. Tomb Blade: Nebuloscope
. . Two Gauss Blasters: 2x Gauss Blaster

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Necrons) [69 PL, 1295pts] ++

+ HQ +

Catacomb Command Barge [10 PL, 161pts]: Gauss Cannon, Hyperphase Sword

Illuminor Szeras [8 PL, 143pts]

Overlord [7 PL, 119pts]: Staff of Light

+ Troops +

Immortals [4 PL, 85pts]: 5x Immortal, Tesla Carbine

Immortals [4 PL, 85pts]: 5x Immortal, Tesla Carbine

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 240pts]: 20x Necron Warrior

+ Elites +

C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer [12 PL, 230pts]: Power of the C'tan: Antimatter Meteor

+ Heavy Support +

Transcendent C'Tan [12 PL, 232pts]: Power of the C'tan: Antimatter Meteor

++ Total: [106 PL, 1999pts] ++

>> No.56716439

>>56716376
You can't reroll overwatch with cawl cheater

>> No.56716441

>>56716427
most of it if we're being honest

>> No.56716442

>>56716426
Your're spending 1700 or so points on robots and destroyers and cawl you won't have shit for other forces.

>> No.56716450

>>56716376

Then you get charged by...

2 rhinos!

If you wanna win, build something that can win against anything, not something your opponent can't beat.

>> No.56716455

>>56716437
>crons
no

but seriously

>transcendent ctan
>tomb blades
no

>> No.56716463

>>56716439
huh, thought that you could

news to me

>> No.56716464

>>56716039
That i do not know they didnt mention that. There is a special stratagem for them tho IIRC. Also the Death Company apperantly take up an entire page by themselves.

>> No.56716474

>>56716441
If you play on planet bowling ball maybe.

>> No.56716478

>>56716450
he doesn't need 2, 108 shoots in overwatch deal 3 wounds to a rhino.

>> No.56716481

>>56716247
>>56716219
Not him but I play something similar which is a custodes and sisters list with celestine, in my lgs it tents to auto-win, only because everyone plays marines and they out marines.

Unless he takes lots of grey knights his big issue with be enemy psykers, since they wreck custodes so hard.

>> No.56716484

>>56716427

>Not doing the simple math that a 12" deployment + 36" range = 48" zone of engagement

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>> No.56716493

>>56716484
Sure love playing on those boards without terrain.

>> No.56716498

>>56716492
Don't sexualize celestine

>> No.56716504

>>56716492
holy fuck her thighs are so thiccc

>> No.56716506

>>56716493

>Having enough LoS blocking terrain on the table to deny all possible shooting lanes

>> No.56716507

>>56716455
why not bring tomb blades and the trancendant c'tan?
i know better than to bring my Vault, that things crazy overpriced for what it bearly can do.

>> No.56716508

>>56716433

Haven't played them enough yet. Herald sounds like a good idea though.

>> No.56716513

>>56716493
phospher weapons ignore cover

LOS blocking terrain is a problem but it's a problem for any gunline army

>> No.56716515

Okay, since we had a good but brief conversation earlier last thread, how does this look for a tier list?

>ultramarines
>chaos soup
>guard
>Tyranids
>sisters
>marines
>blood angels
>space wolves
>dark angels
>craftworlds
>chaos marines
>death Guard
>orks
>ynarri
>dark eldar
>Admech :(
>tau
>genestealer cults
>chaos
>knights
>Harlequins
>grey Knights
>necrons
>deathwatch

>> No.56716517

>>56716493
terrian is cancer

>> No.56716520

What HQs are good for Ultramarines? How to equip them and what to do with them?

>> No.56716522

>>56716262
>>56716262
GW actually released a bunch of official sounds at one point, I think they're still in the megas

>> No.56716528

>>56716506
>>56716513
It can't move while double shooting, you only have to avoid the lanes it does have. Putting 80% of your army in one spot that never moves is a bad idea.

>> No.56716531

>>56716493
Since you're such a clever strategist, pray tell what you would do in this situation:

You're on your way to you favourite local gaming store (not a GW because fuck those money grubbing jews amirite?) but as you drive through a simple intersection captain SS smalldick slams into your car with his F150 leaving your neck broken.

>> No.56716538

>>56716515
Seems pretty good but admech might want to get pushed up a bit because of CA and the index armies shouldn't be included because of obvious reasons

>> No.56716544

>>56716437
Get that C'Tan shit out of there.
Also, the best ways to kill vehicles? Doomsday Arks or Heavy Destroyers. You have neither, so don't be surprised if you struggle there.

>> No.56716550

>>56716528

>A list that follows that exact same strategy didn't win heat 1 of the WHW GT

>> No.56716551

I'm at work is there any new blood angel info in the tabletop minions video?

>> No.56716559

Can you fire out of transports?

>> No.56716560
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Is it cheaper to get metal Seraphims or obtain a lot of Celestines Geminae for Seraphims?

>> No.56716564

>>56716507
>>56716507
TC:
2 more points than a nightbringer for something literally worse in every way

TB: horrendously expensive and doesn't really solve any of our problems

>> No.56716565

I was thinking about abusing the new character targetting rules by making an army with 77 Lhameans and 6 Archons, the remainding 200 ish points in 5 man warrior squads to DS into LOS blocking terrain to make my army immune to shooting. Thoughts?

>> No.56716566

>>56716531
You seem mad that going all in on a strat isn't a good idea.

>>56716550
If it's the best strat ever surely it would win the whole thing.

>> No.56716574

>>56716551
>tabletop minions

>> No.56716577

>>56716559
only if it says you can on the datasheet, other than that no

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How many boyz do you field when you play orks? I usually try to get 90 out there to do some proper stomping.

>> No.56716583

>>56716566

>Not knowing only Heat 1 has been played
>Not knowing there is still a good chance it will

>> No.56716587

>>56716515
doing ordered lists like this is retarded, you should divide things into rough tiers (Tiers High, Mid, Low for example) because balance in warhammer can't be represented linearly.

GK might be low tier but they obliterate chaos demons for example, surely for chaos soup to be such high tier it shouldn't have such a bad matchup to a low tier like GK

>> No.56716588

>>56716437

No.
Necrons are bottom of the barrel tier.
Your choices are:
-Spam warriors and crypteks and shit, hope you just out tank enemy shooting
-Lose the game by being tabled

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>>56716515
Orks should be just under admech. They are the best xenos trash without a codex (thanks green tide), but they are still trash xenos without a codex.

Ultramarine maybe below chaos soup and guard, but still above everything else.There is huge power gap between

>Smurf, IG, Chaos Soup, new Tyranids
>The rest

Overall I pretty much agree with the list.

>> No.56716599

>>56716578
all the boyz

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Is this too much?

>> No.56716607

>>56716603
hair is dumb

other than that niceu

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>>56716498
I will and you cannot stop me

>> No.56716616

>>56716583
Wait a minute wasn't heat 1 won by that dude from tabletop tactics.

>> No.56716620

>>56716603
yes

>> No.56716622

>>56715617
It's such horseshit noone does yvraine foot fetish r34. i wish i could draw....

>> No.56716624

>>56716515
You are retarded if you think Harlequins are shit

>> No.56716637

>>56716544
i want to belive that c'tan could be good.

i dont own any destroyers, i have a ghost ark i havent built yet i could probobly turn into a doomsday ark.

any other suggestions?

>> No.56716638

>>56716578
as it stands I only have 20, along with 10 storm boyz.
Planning on at least 2 full 30 stacks, as well as a 30 stack for the storm boyz eventually.

>> No.56716640

>>56716616

>Won by Lot G Razorback spam that literally sits in place and doesn't move from the buff bubble

>> No.56716659

>>56716640
It can certainly cover a lot more of the board than two units can.

>> No.56716666

>>56716564
the idea of the TB was, goes fast. has immortal's guns on each one.
they seem a bit pricy for fairly easliy to kill

>> No.56716680

>>56716666
wraiths go just as fast
get an annihilation barge for lots of dakka

>> No.56716684

Which armies play true to their fluff and which do not?

Dark Eldar can make an extremely fluffy and competitive list at the same time.

>> No.56716686

>>56715973
I have to agree. MSU ynnari has never actually been good. Ynnari has always been more about generating your own soul burst to gain value and over run your opponent. To be honest what hurts more is not being able to use the same soul burst action twice. That said, a ynnari army with large groups of reapers and shining spears is extremely powerful. Dark reapers are insane as they are but with double fire they are top tier.

Shining spears are also great in ynnari. A big group can multicharge a unit and a character, kill the character with their numerous s6 ap-2 d2 attacks and then soul burst to attack the unit. If you don't have a good multiple assualt you can assualt a unit, kill it and the soulburst move 22" to safety or the next assualt.

Ynnari only needs a few soulburst to get great value.

>> No.56716690

>>56716560
the gemine have powerswords which seraphrims can only take on the seargent

>> No.56716693

>>56715947
its waac fags getting upset at being called waac fags. the very nature of casual dictates that you don't give a shit who plays with what, you just want to have fun.

>> No.56716700

>>56716680
Barge isn't really worth it over just more tesla immortals.

>> No.56716703

>>56716659

>Shorter ranged gun, still has to be inside a buff bubble but can cover more of the table

>> No.56716706

>>56715671

So what the fuck has he been doing for the past 10,000 years? Everyone else is coming out of the wood works except him, Logar and Alpharius/Omegon.

I mean, even fucking Mortarion got a big feature and he's more boring then the others.

>> No.56716709

>>56716624
They seem way too fragile to be good. Troupes need to get into melee to do anything, but even a single Flamer will fuck up their day on Overwatch.

>> No.56716711

>>56716684
Ork Green tide.

>> No.56716724

>>56716686

100% this is how I've been playing it since 8th launched. The change to spears has been a huge boon for me on personal level as I'm a big fan. My usual lists are running 6-7 reapers, 5 D-Scythes, and 5-6 Shining Spears as my primary Soulburst drivers and then supporting pieces around them to keep it moving.

>> No.56716733

>>56716703
The difference is that it can move if needed and doesn't fold if a single unit gets in combat with it.

>> No.56716735

>>56716551
Couple things so far they don't like to talk about points. Jump packs can 3d6 charge for 2 cp, Death Company can move before the first turn for 2 cp.

>> No.56716736

>>56716531
What the fuck does that have to do with terrain?

>> No.56716742

>>56716709

My dude - they can take 5 Fusion pistols and ride in their -1 to be hit clown car with a 4++

>> No.56716745

>>56716515
>tfw literally ordered an entire deathwatch army today as my first 40k army because i think they look the coolest
they arent THAT bad are they anons?

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>>56716706
Mainly building space empires of iron with his legion. It's a shame they don't actually expand on IW more because they are one of the more interesting legions given that they actually HAD a reason to rebel rather than "Lmao he got tricked by a spoopy sword"

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>>56716515

Rating "Waac" only. Like casual Death Guard is really good, and smurf without gulliman no better than other spess marines

>Podium Tier
Chaos Soup, IG, Smurf, Bugs

>Competitive Tier - Might steal a podium or two
Sisters, Eldar, Marines of various flavor, Ynarri, Imperium soup post CA, FW IG regiment

>Might not lose all the time Tier
Orks, Deldar, Admech, pure CSM, pure DG, Pure daemons.

>Lower tier - Might achieve a not-defeat with good dices roll
Knights, Tau, GSC, Harlequins, Pure thousand sons

>Not even fun to play at tournament because so bad Tier
Inquisition, Necrons, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Custodes, SoS, .

>> No.56716760

>>56716700
QS and 8 S7 tesla shots and 3 S6 tesla for what, 146 points? also has living metal and T6. its pretty good.

>> No.56716762

>>56716733

>Can move but reduces efficacy, doesn't fold if a single unit makes combat but none of the tanks can shoot if they're charged

>> No.56716778

>>56716742
>5 Fusion pistols
6" range.
> -1 to be hit clown car with a 4++
T5 with only 6W.

That's an extremely fragile and short-ranged unit for 200+ points.

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>When FW’s fuckup means you get six extra Aquilon Terminators
>Your latest army additions are actually over 1600 points

>> No.56716782
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This is my stupid list. But I like Terminators and Dreadnoughts, and I don't mind getting a nice Predator.

>> No.56716785

>>56716684
>Fluffy

Hell yeah!

>Competitive

Eeehhhhhh.... more like can win sometimes against not super tryhard armies.

>> No.56716791

>>56716603
bad pose. hair looks like she descending, body looks like shes ascending. aside from that it looks great.

>> No.56716797

>>56716762
The fact that it can respond if necessary is a big deal. Makes it much harder to counter effectively.

>> No.56716799

>>56716755
>Harlequins
>Managed to get top 3 in multiple tourneys.
>Not Waac.

>> No.56716801

>>56716684
>Which armies play true to their fluff
Ultramarines

>and which do not?
Everyone else

>> No.56716802

>>56716531
his dick wont be that small because onions

>> No.56716804

>>56716785
We only have an index and we can win with it, just wait for the Codex.

>> No.56716805

>>56716797

>It didn't just win its games by shooting and tabling its opponents

>> No.56716814

>>56716780
I recieved a second Gor Half-Horn. I wish I ordered a Marauder like I planned to. Getting 2 of them would have been fucking amazing and made my year.

>> No.56716815

>>56716760
The trouble is that any sort of hit penalty kicks ii in the dick and S6-7 isn't much of of buff over 5 against what it wants to be shooting at. Being able to buff immortals is much better.

>> No.56716819

>>56716780
flyer is so niiice

>> No.56716826

>>56716778

Nothing survives to shoot back at their car when they are in range to shoot on turn 1.

>> No.56716831

>>56716815
maybe- but you can only buff 1 immortal squad at a time anyway. Getting hit penalties will kick necrons in the dick regardless.

>> No.56716832

>>56716805
If I see 6 kastellan 12 destroyer Cawl lists actually do something at a tournament I'll eat my words.

>> No.56716838

>>56716690
They'll need to be converted anyway since there's no inferno pistol seraphim model. I'd take converting four plastic models over covering two pewter models.

>> No.56716841

>>56716804
I agree with you that we'll be better come codex, I just wouldn't agree that right now we're "competitive". We're obviously better than trashcan teir Orks and Crons but we are currently worstdar and worse off even than most non codex marine armies. CA only giving us the pistol in terms of actually usable rules is also not very helpful.

>> No.56716845

>>56716755
Ynarri are effectively dead competitively (which is good, the "faction" was stupid).

Pure CSM are competitive tier, almost entirely thanks to Endless Cacophony and Alpha Legion.

3/5 of your "Not even fun to play" tier aren't even real armies, and the other three should be in Lower tier.

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>>56716755
>only barely scraping midtier

>> No.56716857

>>56716845

Ynnari as a solo faction perhaps, Ynnari used to drive small effective soul burst with CWE detachments? Not at all dead.

>> No.56716860

>>56716492
Why is her ear so weird

>> No.56716867

>>56715959
Only Flesh Tearers don't trust chadmarines. The rest of the Blood Angels see them as having escaped the Black Rage. They still have the Red Thirst, so they're still true to what the original Blood Angels were.

>> No.56716869

>>56716832

Word, I'll quit fucking with you. I actually really prefer stygies with Dragoon/Ranger set ups honestly, that's what my regular opponent plays.

>> No.56716874

>Blood Angels Stratagem:

Forlorn Fury, 2cp.

Use at start of first battle round before first turn begins. Move death company unit and option to advance.

Mite b cool.

>> No.56716883

>>56716826
They can't shoot if the transport Advances, so you're looking at a 22" range turn one. Unless the other guy moves his juicy shit up AND doesn't screen it, they aren't hitting shit turn one.

>> No.56716887

>>56716578
60.

Two squads of 30. And a big fat unit of 10 NOBZ.

>> No.56716896

>>56716869
The whole reason I went off on it is people just looking at mathhammer and thinking that because something can do loads of damage it's a fantastic strat.

>> No.56716897

How many points is it to outfit tac sergeants with melta bombs?

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>>56716246
felinids look like this though

>> No.56716901

>>56716841
People say the archon is trash tier HQ but then I notice they never take sslyth. Archon is nearly unkillable with some snake Bros.

I win a lot just because people don’t list tailor for me. People aren’t usually prepared for the number of dark lances I bring.

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>>56716753
>Iron Warriors
>one of the more interesting legions
>actually had a reason to rebel

>> No.56716910

>>56716637
As others have stated, Warriors and Immortals are legit. Backing them up with a Cryptek is awesome. Pulling some trickery with a Monolith, Obyron, or the Veil of Darkness can keep your opponent honest and help mitigate your lack of mobility. I haven't actually added new troops to my Necrons since 3rd Edition because the units that were good there, are still good now. I don't fuck with Obelisks or Tesseracts or any of that other massive shit. Scarabs, Warriors, Immortals, Destroyers, Monoliths, Wraiths.

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>>56716624
They aren’t bad per se, but are far too specialiazed and expensive (plus succeptable to mortal wounds and just mass of fire) to be good. A bunch of S4 weapons delete the whole army

>>56716745
>every single unit is too expensive
>specialized gear is too expensive
>a hilarious amount of stuff in fluff isn’t aloud on the table
>army has 0 synergy
Pic related is pretty much how I feel about my (favorite) army. The only thing that’s viable is stolen units from the SM index

>> No.56716918

Should I start Blood Angels(successor), Space Wolves or Raven Guard as my marine army?

>> No.56716921

PDF when?

>> No.56716925

>>56716883

They can move 32" in a turn.

>> No.56716927

>Blood Angels Stratagem.

Descent of Angels, 2cp.

Use before making charge with jump pack unit that just set up. Roll 3d6 on charge.

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>>56716918
Dark Angels.

>> No.56716930

>>56716603
I like it. I'm not sure how >>56716791 sees both ascending and descending. It just looks descending to me.

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>>56716492

>> No.56716937

>>56715928
Intelligence is weak then

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>>56716709
>They seem way too fragile to be good.

>Shadowseer gives -1 to wound
>4++

>> No.56716945

>>56716896

I think its the 'I'm trying to learn synergy and bubbling' first army. Once the player gets past that point they'll start to see the benefits of playing with more compact and self supporting 'mini bubbles' as it were.

>> No.56716946

>>56716896
Mortal wounds are toxic. I think Ryza for the 3 Damage +1 to wound just sounds more fun.

>> No.56716951

>>56716918
Black Legion

>> No.56716954

>>56716867
According to the stream today the entire chapter either doesnt trust them enoigh or there is another reason why the primaris apothecaries arent allowed to be the same as sanguinary priests. Guy on stream claimed it was a trust issue withall the blood rituals.

>> No.56716955

>>56716901
That's the thing it really depends on your meta. Nobody in my local shop tailors but the emphasis is on large numbers of MEQ equivalents which we don't have a good answer for. The only guy I ever do well against is guillaman with 6 razorbackd and thats a coinflip based on who goes first. The problem is that the top teir armies heavily favor the multiple bodies route rather than the multiple vehicles route meaning the meta is, usually, skewed very against us.

>> No.56716960

>>56716799

>Source

>> No.56716970

>>56716799
They only did well cause they counter a few of the early Stormraven builds. They’re not doing well now caus Bobby g and his razorbacks three stomp down on them hard.

All it takes is a few autocannons to down the vehicles, and the rest is history

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>>56716246
adding ears?

>> No.56716985

>>56716845
>Ynarri are effectively dead competitively

not at all. Eldar soup is a thing thanks to them. Expect small detachement to be there in wider lists.

>> No.56716986

>>56716970

>Thinks Bobby G is a top tier list outside GW's GT set up

>> No.56716994

>>56716680
wraiths go 12
blades go 14

seems like the doomsday ark has some ok versitile dakka, makes me think of a demolisher cannon. feel like it could get popped pretty easy tho at T6

>> No.56716995

>>56716945
It's more people who don't play the army I think, looking at what it could potentially do and freaking out.

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>>56716911
Chapter Approved fixed some point costs, but there is still some stuff somewhat askew.

There is good synergy, but not as great as everyone would have hoped. As for fluff bits, there is plenty of representation, so I'm not too sure what you think is missing other than relics and such that will be in their 7th Ed Codex.

>> No.56717001

>>56716954
>According to the stream
Nevermind me, then, I was just parroting the BL book.

>> No.56717003

>>56716903
I mean, all of them had stupid reasons desu.
Word Bearers? - Lorgar couldn't even understand "NO RELIGION AT ALL UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES!"
Night Lords? - "FFS don't enforce social "peace" by gutting everyone you don't like"
World Eaters? - "NAAAAAAIIIIILLSSS!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!"
Death Guard? - "Maybe huffing poison all the time and killing off all our navigators is a good idea!"
Emperors Children? - "Oh look, a sword is speaking to me! Better pick that up!"
Thousand Sons? - "Don't do thing Magnus" *Does thing*
Luna Wolves? - "Yo Horus, AYKSHULLY the Emperor is evil!"

>> No.56717010

>>56716845
>Pure CSM are competitive tier, almost entirely thanks to Endless Cacophony and Alpha Legion.

Played as chaos soup. Which is top tier. Malefic lord aint here anymore, But have you noticed the recent amount of Mortarion being painted with an Alpha legion scheme ?

>> No.56717017

>>56716995

Perhaps, I've played against it and it got me the first go round. Afterwards I adjusted and was able to handle it which is why my buddy shifted to Stygies which he has been a more effective overall force. I can't wait to play him with the CA points adjustments.

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>>56716899
Not according to my fanfiction

>> No.56717026

>>56716994
QS helps a lot with that, 14 wounds is a lot to go through when high damage just bounces off. Its biggest problem is that its damage dealt isn't that high for its cost and it can't move without becoming pretty useless.

>> No.56717030

>>56717003
>Thousand Sons? - "Don't do thing Magnus" *Does thing*
Is Magnus the ultimate fuckup of all 40k lore?

>> No.56717031

>>56717001
Youll also be suprised to note that they mentioned that commander Dante is increasing the amount of scouts and that scouts can progress to either tactical or intercessors in time. So manlets aee apperantly still being made

>> No.56717033

>>56717010

>Thinks Mortarion can be Alpha Legion

>> No.56717034

>>56717003
This. IW were unappreciated work horse that finally snapped and turned traitor. You can at least see why they'd go rogue, given how there are many cases throughout human history of people rebelling after not getting dick for their efforts.

>> No.56717043

>>56717003
>Thousand Sons? - "Don't do thing Magnus" *Does thing*
Magnus was monstrously good at that one thing and had been doing it for decades/centuries. He had even gone out and received permission to go train all the other legions how to do that one thing. Then, after Russ flagrantly disregards his orders and decides to exterminate Magnus, the Emperor changes his mind and lets all the legions do that one thing again.

The current HH version of Nikaea and Magnus's fall is retarded because it actually makes it so that Magnus did nothing wrong.

>> No.56717047

>>56717017
Yeah it's a very one note strategy and doesn't adapt well.

>> No.56717051

>>56716799

Eldar soup with an harlequins detachement, not pure harlequins.

>> No.56717054

>>56716929
I want to hit things with my sword though

>> No.56717059

>>56717031
That is interesting as a direction from GW, but makes a lot of sense to me logistics-wise. They already have a reserve of gene-seed, it's a sunk cost at this point, so they might as well use it. The cost of going exclusively primaris probably just isn't worth it. A true case or reasonable marines.

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>>56717018

>> No.56717064

/tg/ save me I can't stop making HQs

I already have 5 HQs and I'm about to make two more, one of them a kitbash conversion based on his newly sneak previewed cover art.

I've been getting by with sneaking them into power armor and Terminator squads or as sergeants, but I'm about to have an army that's entirely HQ models at this point

>> No.56717067

>>56716852

lack of mobility really hurt. It's not the codex, it's the missions.

>> No.56717072

>>56716951
Get out heretic

>> No.56717076

>>56717018
We better not start comparing fan fiction. As my fan fiction is that its a planet full of cat boy traps.

>> No.56717082

>>56717043
I mean, I'm not sure on what version of the story it was, but didn't the Emperor explicitly forbid him from dealing too much with the warp, especially after Nikaea and all that? Literally jsut "Don't do this until I, mightiest of all psykers and leagues above you, have enough time to teach you about the dangers and finer arts regarding the warp"

>> No.56717084

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukXWyZ_9zwE

Downloading now so we don't have the same fiasco we had with CA.

>> No.56717089

>>56717031
was this in the stream or Devastation of Baal?

>> No.56717090

>>56717084
fiasco? what are you talking about?

>> No.56717092

>>56717043
>Russ flagrantly disregards his orders and decides to exterminate Magnus
Russ is ordered by Horus speaking with the authority of big E to kill Magnus, and is joined in that aim by Sons of Horus and House Malinax

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>>56717018
Did someone say cute felinid guardswomen?

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>>56717094
Hell yeah

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>>56717094

>> No.56717102

>>56716941
T5 and 6W. Sure, the -1 to Hit and 4++ help, but it still doesn't keep them alive if the enemy decides they want to smash your 100 point transport.

It's not even the transport that's really the issue. It's the 20+ PPM T3 infantry that are expected to do all the work.

>>56716925
Sure, for one unit that's still susceptible to being screened and that will struggle to actually earn its points back in the single shooting phase that it gets.

>> No.56717114

>>56717090
There was a CA page by page review that got taken down after an hour. We were typing out what it said for two days trying to tell people what was in it and a lot of misinfo was thrown around. I'd rather just have a downloaded copy that I can put up on the mega if this gets taken down so we don't have people begging to be spoonfed all day.

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>>56717099

>> No.56717119

>>56716986

It is though. Every unit is in a transport, terrific firepower against all kind of threat, the mobility to capture objectives/the relic.

Even without his reroll bubble gulliman is a scary beatstick that can't be targeted in the shooting phase well worth his points.

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>>56717067
>ywn use your superior tech to be mobile
Why even beepboop brother ;_;

>> No.56717130

>>56717064
If everybody is the HQ, then nobody is the HQ.
It's like if everyone had herpes. Then nobody would have herpes.

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>>56717101
>>56717116

>> No.56717134

>>56717003
your forgot
Alpha Legion? - "WAAAAAHHH!! The other legions have more battle honours than us!"

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>>56717131

>> No.56717140

>>56717084
No crunch, useless video.

>> No.56717141

>>56717119

I have never lost to any variant of the Bobby G list at any of the 8th tournaments I've played. Bad players lose to it because they seem to forget how to just kill the things he buffs. If you kill the things he buffs he's irrelevant and dies quickly once he's target-able. I don't have a problem killing a Storm Raven and 4-5 Razorbacks and limiting their damage output back.

>> No.56717142

>>56717082
Current BL version is that the Emperor said no psykery for the legions at all at Nikaea. Magnus breaks this to warn the Emperor about Horus, the Emperor sends Russ to bring Magnus back to Terra, Russ decides to murder Magnus instead because of some retarded sub-plot with the Changeling (or another shapeshifting daemon).

>>56717092
Is that from Inferno?

>> No.56717152

>>56717054
There's always the deathwing for hitting things real good. Plus a knightly-aesthetic works well with swords

>> No.56717162

>>56716910
whats your oppinion on wraith loadouts.
i find myself not wanting to give them any special wargear.
i have 24 warriors, 10 tesla boys and 5 gauss boys as far as warriors and immortals go. i might also have around like 12 or more scarab bases. i admit i love the little guys.

>> No.56717175

>>56717140
>No crunch
it has the stratagems

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>>56716845
Not sure what GW were thinking when designing Ynnari.

"We don't like soup lists, but we're making a faction that's specifically a soup list and gets the ability to punish the enemy for playing the game properly!"

>> No.56717183

>>56717142
>inferno
t'is indeed

>> No.56717188

>>56717089
Nope it was in the stream that happened today discussing the new codex.

>> No.56717202

>>56717162
Particle casters are cheap enough to be worthwhile but I don't think the others are worth it.

>> No.56717208

Does cover affect invuln saves?

>> No.56717212

>>56717152
But terminator armour is fat

>> No.56717216

>>>>56716799
While they did not get top 3 in this tourney they did do well. This tourney is an extremely competitive invite only tourney where you have to win other tournament s to qualify. Also use this for determining which armies are top teir *cough* ynnari eldar *cough*

>> No.56717217

>>56717181
It was a leftover from their plans to AoS 40k. They realized it was a horrible mistake, fired Kirby, and stopped all plans for it but Ynnari had already been released and they don't like straight up squatting shit that they produced models for.

>> No.56717218

>>56717208
It does not.

>> No.56717220

>>56717183
Doesn't Inferno also heavily imply that Ahriman was the sole survivor of Prospero and that Magnus used the others as fuel to transport them to Sortiarius?

I never actually got a copy of Inferno since the rules were such a disappointment and the local HH scene died.

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>reading the new tau book
>ethereal calls humans ugly
>remembers the wise words of his master
>"Humans are an ancient race, crooked with the malignancies of age and yet the aeons have not diminished their passion. In time they will either become our most ardent allies or our most dire foes
>an ancient race
>HUMANS
>ANCIENT

>> No.56717229

>Blood Angels stratagem "Descent of Angels"
>2 CP when a jump pack infantry arrives, roll 3d6 for charge range
Not terrible. Expensive, but 1CP would be too cheap I think.

>> No.56717232

>>56717102
>20+ PPM T3 infantry that are expected to do all the work.

>-1 to wound them from the shadowseer
>4++
>4 attacks with power weapons
>advance and charge
Marines have tons of 20ppm units which are fine

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>>56717101
You're just jealous you don't have space marine Felinids

>> No.56717235

>>56717026
thats a major concern i have. it seems like its deployment is key, the 72 inch range helps if it hasent moved.

>> No.56717238

>>56717212
I think you mean THICC

>> No.56717239

>>56716941
>Shadowseer gives -1 to wound

On T3 and T5 model. Being T4 and T7/8 is straight up better.

>4++

So like a 3+ except every weapon get free AP to shoot at it

Inv is good if you also have good Armor save to prevent small arm fire too.

>> No.56717250

>>56717228
humans are ancient to the tau.

>> No.56717251

>>56717228
They are ancient. Just because some other cocks no one cares about are more ancient doesn't mean humans aren't ancient.

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>>56717003
Angron had a pretty good reason when the nails let him think about it, he's angry space Spartacus

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>>56717233

>> No.56717261

>>56717220
honestly not sure, I've only got as far as planet fall from the fluff side, mostly was just interested in the custard army list.

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>>56717229
forgot pic

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>>56717228
I don't think they can comprehend how old the Eldar and Crons are, or in general I think the two of them are far beyond the taus comprehension.

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>>56717238
T H I C C

>> No.56717282

>>56716925

Sisters of battle immolator up to 36". And still fire a 12" 2D6 S5 AP-1 autohit weapon.

>> No.56717289

>>56717084
Forlorn fury seems so useless since its only good if you aren't deep striking Death Company and if you get first turn with them on the field. Youd be able to move them somewhere between 13 and 18" before the game begins which could be nice if you move them close enough that an additional move of 12" gives you a completely confirmed charge.

>> No.56717290

>>56717254
Really? You're just now figuring that out?

>> No.56717296

>>56717232
>Marines have tons of 20ppm units which are fine
Not really. The vast majority of their MEQ units are garbage.

>-1 to wound them from the shadowseer
Cool, effectively making them T4, as long as you keep your hyper elite army all clustered up in a ball.
>4++
Cool. Too bad the kinds of weapons that slaughter T3/4 infantry are expecting to hit a 4+ or 5+ save anyways.
>4 attacks with power weapons
>advance and charge
No one is doubting that they can do work if they survive into CC. Too bad they can't stay locked in and will get rapid-fired to death even if they can make it across the table alive.

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>>56717181

I like the ynnari as a faction, I hope they start being less of a soup army and instead supplement themselves with new units unique to them somewhere down the line, like daemons of ynnead or ynnari who've ate so many souls they've degenerated into daemon host looking motherfuckers surrounded in spirit energy. new troops and elites made up of a blend of craftworld and dark eldar tech and art styles and maybe some former incubi who've changed their appearance to more closely match the visarch.

before all that shit though I DEMAND A NEW FUCKING WARP SPIDER KIT, I'VE BEEN STUCK WITH THIS SHIT FOR 24 FUCKING YEARS REEEEEEEEEEE.

>> No.56717304

>>56717282
I really gotta paint up my Immolators for my Death Cult Assassins and Arcos Flagellants.

>> No.56717305

>>56717233
I think at some stage I'm going to ask whether the GW developers envision felinids as Red Dwarf style homo felinid or animu waifus. What happens if they say the former?

>> No.56717311

>>56717229

10.5" average charge range is huge. Also 75% chance to suceed a deepstrike charge, over 90% if you reroll a dice.

>> No.56717316

>>56717239
>T5 model
Shadowseer only affects Infantry.

>> No.56717321

>>56717228
Humans in this setting have been spacefaring for nearly 10 times as long as IRL recorded human history. That's a damned long time.

>> No.56717326

>>56717289
Sure, if you're going up against a gunline you might not get there. But there are enough armies that are pushing chaff up the middle that you'll get a guaranteed charge against them, whereas deepstriker DC will have to go for the 9" charge.

>> No.56717329

>>56717216
Forgot link http://www.gowarhead.com/2017/11/war-head-triad-iii-coverage.html

>> No.56717338

>>56716481
It’s going to be mostly grey knights with 2 squads of 10 custodes a venerable comtempter and 10 sisters in their rhino

>> No.56717340

>>56717282

Sure if you cheat.

>> No.56717342

>>56717235
If you can get it a good vantage point it'll do ok and it has decent defense against infantry with the arrays. I prefer heavy destroyers myself as even though they're more vulnerable you can hide them first turn and then pop them out of cover to shoot and they do more damage as well and can be buffed.

>> No.56717344

>>56717326
Still its only good if you get first turn. As the move will just move you into range of the enemies guns after moving.

>> No.56717347

>>56717228
Reminder humans were stupid advanced and are now basically in a dark age.

>> No.56717357

>>56717281
>Sisters of fattle

>> No.56717364

>>56717305
We get an AM subfaction splat for Demi-humans and squats get un-squatted. Included are ratlings, felinids, ogryns, and maybe void-born?

>> No.56717367

>>56717344
Yes, but remember that the CA only uses d6(+1) for the new missions. If you're playing brb missions that's still he with fewer units goes first.

>> No.56717387

>>56717305
Shit, forgot to ask that in the survey.
they're both felinids but slightly different and animu waifus are the same but evolved slightly different?

>> No.56717390

>>56717367
Wait, people haven't been using the dice off for first turn in all their matches? I though it was pretty much universally acknowledged as being more balanced.

>> No.56717391

>>56717281
The thigh gap must be insane

>> No.56717392

>>56717233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ag0hm55jMg

>> No.56717393

>>56717347
Same as the Eldar, I think the only ones working at peak tech are the Necrons and Orks.(peak as the limit of their progess, so not the tau they can improve)

>> No.56717395

>>56717342
i compleatly forgot it has the FLY keyword so it can be on the tops of buildings and junk.
heavy destroyers are infantry now right? i assume the buff is My will be done.
that does sound pretty good

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56717410

ITT post models that other people hate that you think are pretty neat.

Pic related, don't know why these get so much hate... I get that they're aesthetically pretty removed from the rest of Admech, but that's their whole point. They're a cult within a cult.

Plus, they worship electricity, and either Palpatine niggas to death or vampire the electricity out of their synapses.

That's pretty fuckin cool.

>> No.56717415

>>56717393
Wow necrons are pathetic then

>> No.56717421

>>56717393
from some fluff i remember i think theres necron tech that was lost to the slumber. i dont know if it was retconned or not. i wouldnt be suprised.

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>>56717250
>Humans are ancient to the tau.

I know, and its fucking hilarious. I don't know whether to wish for the protection of their childlike innocence or hope for another lore entry about the dark eldar fucking with them.

>>56717271

tau just straight up aren't important enough to the eldar or necrons to bother with unless its for their own amusement, between the tyranids, the forces of chaos, the humans and eachother there's no real reason for the races to ever really meet.

that being said I really want them to have a run in with some of the more "eccentric" parts of the eldar and necrons, harlequins and trayzn in particular come to mind.

of course with the close proximity of the tau "empire" to the newly awakened sautekh dynasty I can only imagine the danger the tau are in, imotekh's fucking crazy about protecting his territory, and the only roots of expansion the tau 5th sphere has left are either covered in warpstorm's property of the stormlord, or currently part of the reconstituted realm of ULTRAMAR.

dark days ahead.

>> No.56717427

>>56717239
>T7/8 is straight up better.
What are some T8 transports?
S8 wounds T5 the same as T7. With the to hit penalty and invuln the starweaver is considerably more durable than a rhino against things like las cannons. And despite being 30 points more it's much faster, has fly, more guns, and better melee

>> No.56717435
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>>56717232

>Marines have tons of 20ppm units which are fine
>fine

But T4 3+ and only taken as tax because they are trash.

>4++
Which is worst than a 3+ on single wound models.

>advance and charge
yeah, this is nice. Basically 3D6" charge range.

Harlequin are basically a more elite version of Imperium Death Cult Assassins that can't even reroll hits.
They cost more for a 4++ instead of a 5++, but are in turn even lest cost efficient when killing stuff.

No one run seriously Death Cult Assassins due to how frail they are. Models with more wounds (Arco Flagellants) from the same codex are taken instead.

They were good only in stormraven meta because every weapon of the opponent had a huge AP. Now that assault cannon spam is over, they are low tier and eaten alive by any gunline.

>> No.56717436

>>56717415
They literally reached the end of the tech tree, there is nowhere else to go for them.

>>56717421
Good point Newcrons might have changed things.

>> No.56717441

>>56717410
they're in that inbetween spot for me. On one hand they have the cool circuit tatoos and monk looking aesthetic. On the other hand everything else just looks dumb.

>> No.56717448

>>56715914
>Draw terminator armor
>MS paint drag a female head into it
>Call it a day
The absolute state of comics.

>> No.56717450

new relics:

>Angels Wing
>Jump Pack models only
>reroll failed charge rolls and enemy cannot fire overwatch

>Hammer of Baal
>thunderhammer without -1 to-hit

>Archangel's Shard
>mastercrafted power sword
>against monsters Dd3, against daemons Dd6

>Galeon's(spelling?) Staff
>force staff
>+1 to attempts to cast smite

Also, relics are only for BA, not successors. Successors can only take the archangel's shard.

>> No.56717454

>>56717395
Yeah being able to MWBD them is great, 2+ to hit rerolling 1's makes them super accurate. Ideally you run both.

There's also the tomb sentinel from FW that comes with 12" Heavy D6 S10 AP-4 D3 shots which can deepstrike for 180. Only downside is that it hits on 4's due to heavy and is thwarted by screens. It's as tough as a dread though, and can take a gloom prism for some deny action.

>> No.56717462

>>56717435
>But T4 3+ and only taken as tax because they are trash.
>SadDeathcompanyandSanguinaryGuard.jpeg

>> No.56717471

>>56717390
ITC has that rule, but it won't be RAW.

>> No.56717474

>>56717421

the silent king buried all their god deleting war in heaven shit and buried most of their heavy war machines.

world engines are about the biggest things they have left, and those things are about equal to a blackstone fortress that isn't actively sabotaging itself to fuck with its chaos handlers. honestly those things where probably cap ships in the war in heaven.

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>>56717450
Do successors have a separate relic list?

>> No.56717489

>>56717425
Zahndrekh is from the Sautekh Dynasty right? If so I want to see how that water caste visit plays out.

>> No.56717490

>>56717421
Well, a lot can happen in 60 million years. Not to mention, Necrons are only held back by a need to keep the setting in an unbroken state.
I mean, look at what the AdMech can asspull. Now multiply that by a lot, and you'll get Necron tech. It's basically wizardry even to the Eldar.
But of course, an army of mindless robbos and some mad Overlords roaming the galaxy doesn't really make for an interesting setting. So there'll always be "Overlord XYZ went completely mad and does stupid shit instead of waking all his worlds and purging the shit out of the galaxy at large".

>> No.56717491

>>56716603
Face looks like Bruce Jenner

>> No.56717492

>>56717425
Dark Eldar fucking with the tau is jist about the funniest shit in universe. Wasn't there a situation where the DE convinced them to send 3 different parties of water caste to "treat" and they just enslaved each group until the Tau caught on and stopped sending them?

>> No.56717495

>>56717484
nope, ya got fucked.

>> No.56717505

>>56716039
The bolters went down 6 points if >>56717084 is to be believed

>> No.56717511

>>56717450
>Also, relics are only for BA, not successors. Successors can only take the archangel's shard.

I'd say successors BTFO but most are dead.
I guess just Flesh Tearers then but they're are already getting memed by Primaris

>> No.56717525

>>56717490
I often wish 40k wasn't in such a total war state so there was a bit more room for shenanigans.

>> No.56717533

>>56717454
wait, what lets them reroll ones, i havent seen any in the necrons yet.

and i wont lie. i like the look of canoptek creepy crawly's. its the reason i have so many scarabs and 6 wraiths. ill have to check out that fw model despite how much i hate working with resin lol

>> No.56717551

>>56717425
>>56717271

Forgetting there is still the plot hook of who uplifted the T'au hanging about.
Was it Eldar? Was it Necron? Or someone else...

>> No.56717564

>>56717490
Well the killing everything wasn't all of their ideas so most just want to sit in their territory and shad their fists at youngsters that get close, or go antiquing.

>> No.56717574

>>56717533
It's the base rule of destroyers, hardwired hatred.

>> No.56717577

>>56717492
IIRC they helped the Tau against Tyranids or something, and wanted some "cultural exchange". Later they helped the Tau again, only for them to find out what happened to their diplomats, after seeing the more interesting creations of the haemonculi.

>> No.56717580

>>56715736
I never liked eldar until after I watched evangelion

>> No.56717581

>>56717474
why is the Silent king such a douchbag. i want the big baddass shit back. itd be a good way to introduce somthing new to the necron unit list.

where is there talk of the silent king burying all the cool toys? id like to read up on it.

>> No.56717587

>>56717551
In xenobiology they mention an extra crystallike organ that the etherials have which hinds at eldar fuckery but I'm not sure how accurate that book still is.

>> No.56717595

>>56717551
Wasn't it that they got caught in a warpstorm that accelerated time retardedly fast for their system allowing them to make leaps and bounds in years that would usually take millenia?

>> No.56717596

anyone got last hunt epub? not in the fileshare

>> No.56717609

>>56717410
I think theyd look a lot better without the halos. I'm picking up a box soon and I'll be experimenting with removing that.

>> No.56717621

>>56717577
I thought they borrowed some Tau to "train them" to fight them off, and showed up with Taumonculi

>> No.56717624

>>56717450
Can I not just say my white blood angels are blood angels and fuck you?

>> No.56717633

>>56717609
They don't attach to anything else so it's as simple as not gluing them on, and yeah now that you point it out that would fix a lot.

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>>56717492

or the time that the tau where under attack from an army of tyranids, when the haemonculii swooped in and started murdering and capturing the things. then after a brief respite from the slaughter the tau actually sent a diplomatic envoy to meet with the cenobyte looking motherfuckers and the incubi demanded 10 of every caste and an ethereal caste for a "cultural exchange"

Then when the second wave of tyranids arrived they noticed the haemonculii had replenished their grotesque and pain engine numbers, but eventually one of them saw a tattoo on a talos and realised the tau had been surgically grafted together to make new soldiers for the haemonculus ancient in charge. so they tried to turn on the dark eldar before realising that the dark eldar weren't actually there anymore, they were murdering the population of the city they were supposed to be defending and turning them into a meat castle.

by the time the tau responded the whole world was dead and the haemonculii ditched them to get eaten by the tyranids third wave.

>> No.56717636

>>56717533
fuk. thats pretty nice. i must admit.
could even set them in a building and reap the cover bonus

>> No.56717650

>(new) Blood Boil, WC not mentioned (assume same)
>select unit within 6"
>roll 2d6, if total exceeds highest T in unit, deal d3 mortal wounds
>if total exceeds twice highest T in unit, deal 3 mortal wounds

>Shield of Sanguinius, 12", WC6
>now 5+ invuln, not 4+

>Unleash rage, 12", WC6
>give unit +1 A

>The Quickening, WC7
>add 3 to advance and charge distances for the psyker and make +d3 additional attacks with them in the fight phases until your next psychic phase

>Blood Lance, WC6
>select visible enemy within 12", draw a line between them and psyker
>roll a d6 for each *model* the line passes over, on a 5+ that unit takes a mortal wound

>Wings of Sanguinius, WC5
>immediately move as though it were the movement phase
>M increased to 12" and can fly, can reroll failed charge rolls

>> No.56717653

>>56717587
Imperial dissected an ethereal, found nothing that would explain the way they influence. No psychic organ, no pheromone gland. I may be wrong though

>> No.56717658
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>>56717635
wtf i love dark eldar now

>> No.56717667

>>56716492

St. Chilchack

>> No.56717669

>>56717650
>Blood Boil
>More effective against dust bunnies then diseased fleshbags

>> No.56717674

>>56717595
Wrong. The warpstorm just cut off the Imerium's surveillance. They observed cavemen, then a warp storm, when it cleared the tau were a spacefaring race, and the humans had no clue why or how

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>>56717636
ignore pls. i have brought shame to my dynasty by accedebtaly replying to myself while reading reply's to it.

>> No.56717688

>>56717653
I just checked and there crystalline organ is there they suspect it helps with the pheromones but they were not sure.

>> No.56717695
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Can someone explain how ynarri are shit now? Starburst seems to work basically the same

>This ability is common to all YNNARI INFANTRY and YNNARI BIKER units and the Yncarne. Each time a unit is completely destroyed within 7" of one or more units with this ability, except in the Morale phase, pick one of those units to make a Soulburst action. That unit can immediately do one of the following, even if it has already done so in this turn (if the unit was destroyed as the result of a unit’s action – e.g. making a shooting attack or fighting – the Soulburst action is resolved after the unit has completely resolved its current action, e.g. after it has completed all of its shooting attacks or after it has finished fighting, including making any consolidation moves):

>> No.56717698

>>56717635
Fucking based

>> No.56717705

>>56717633
sweet. Now I just have to wait for them to come back in stock. I want to play around with an enormous stygies corpuscarii nuke as a better alternative to robots (jump in turn 1 and delete screens so my successive lucius deepstrikers can charge the meat) and some deepstriking lucius fulgerites for sure.

>> No.56717707

>>56717674
A few thousand years in realspace passed too, anon. The AdMech observed them, then a warpstorm happened and everyone kinda forgot about them for a few thousand years. Then a spacefaring race with pretty neat technology showed up, and someone at the Administratum thought it might be a good idea to dust off the logs on this particular sector. And thus, Tau.

>> No.56717723

death company did not get the fight twice rule

>> No.56717724

>>56717723
Wtf

>> No.56717731

>>56717707
Yeah, but the warp storm wasn't actually on the planet, it just blocked the study of them. Within 5000 years they went from Neanderthal to Spacefarer

>> No.56717736

>>56717695
2
WARHAMMER 40,000 – INDEX: XENOS 1
Page 76
– Strength from Death
Add the following paragraph:

Matched Play: If you are playing a matched play game, a unit
from your army cannot make a Soulburst action if a friendly
unit has already made the same Soulburst action during your
turn. In addition, units from your army cannot perform any
Soulburst actions during your opponent’s turn.

>> No.56717743

Are Dreadnoughts any good? How do you get them up close with their 6" movement?

>> No.56717753

>>56717743
Yes. Stromravens.

>> No.56717756

>>56717743
Slowly.

>> No.56717766

>>56717724
There, according to the video, are a lot of ways to buff them, and you can get them up to 5 attacks each, but no double fighting.

>> No.56717774

>>56717736
I can't find that passage on
>https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Errata/Warhammer_40000/Index_Xenos1_ENG.pdf

>> No.56717792

>>56717695

They can only make one of each type of SB action per turn (so one unit may shoot twice, one may move twice, etc) and they can no longer SB in the enemy turn.

It tones down the army a great deal and heavily impacts the common style of play for the army which is MSU infantry to generate as much SB as possible. You can read in this thread and see some of the alternate thinking that is driving SB usage now and how it can still be effective - it just depends on how you apply it.

>> No.56717795

>>56717427
>What are some T8 transports?
LR

>With the to hit penalty and invuln the starweaver is considerably more durable than a rhino against things like las cannons.

Against IG Lascanon spam yeah.

It takes an average of 8 melta shot to kill a Stareaver, 6 for a rhino.

Depending of what is firing, a stareaver is not more resilient than a rhino per point aggainst AT weapons, and considerably more vulnerable to lasgun fire (wound on 5+!) (!). However, they are considerably more expensive per transport capacity with weapons that are slightly worst than a twin heavy bolter you can fire and advance with.

So yeah, no, it's a meme.

>> No.56717802

>>56717774
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/ is what you want now.

>> No.56717811

>>56717774

Use this url (from the community webpage):

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_index_xenos_1_en-1.pdf

>> No.56717835

>>56717484

Successors = count as BA anyway.

That's why you should never run an official army list. Always run the models with a custom paint job so that they can count-as.

>> No.56717841

>>56717658
They're just so delightfully scummy. I love that they're just so used to how cutthroat everything in Commoragh is that when the lesser races interact with them they're basically like "Are these morons for real?" as they take everything that isn't bolted down.

>> No.56717881

>>56717802
>>56717811
Why does GW have two different rule updates on their websites?

>> No.56717897

>>56717881
Because they've never been very good at anything digital.

>> No.56717899

>>56717881

Because they don't do a good job of communicating and they have kept the FAQs on their main website as opposed to using specifically the community page for that purpose.

>> No.56717900

>>56717841
I don’t even view it as scummy. Lesser races should totally be slaves. Tau ain’t got shit on ancient dna crafting elves

>> No.56717921

What's more efficient

4 attacks at ap0 for free or 3 at ap3 for 4pts

Looking at death company so add 1 to wound rolls

>> No.56717927

Stormtalons any good? I don't like using flyers in my armies, but recent loses have indicated that I'd be better suited to fielding something to better control the skies. After taking a look at them in the codex, and doing a bit of mental guesstimating, it seems like they'd be decent provided they don't get shot down. Opinions? Usually, the only vehicles I field are like 1 or 2 dreads, so I'm very infantry focused

>> No.56717935
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56717935

>>56717900
>Hear that boys? Let's get on with it!

>> No.56717936

>>56717900
Unless they prove themselves in the Arena, then they can be kept around for entertainment like Aun'va or w.e his name is. He and Jaghatai Khan are the best attractions the Arenas have had in lifetimes!

>> No.56717946

>>56717427
'ard case Battlewagon. Without 'ard case, it's T7, but your 20 boyz inside can shoot out.

>> No.56717949

>>56717736
>In addition, units from your army cannot perform any Soulburst actions during your opponent’s turn.
So when your own units die soulburst has no effect? For what purpose?

>> No.56717951

>>56717935
what is that enormous shadow in the back, a c'tan?

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>>56717951
Yes.

>> No.56717968

>>56717921
depends on what you are chopping at.

since most things are space marines i would take the 3 ap3 attacks

>> No.56717969

>>56717949
Because being able to have ostensibly 3 shooting phases before the end of your opponent's first one is bullshit?

>> No.56717970

>>56717949

Because they felt it was too good? I don't necessarily agree with the decision but that's the way it is.

>> No.56717973

>someone increased the bid by 30 dollars for a fucking bits piece

GOD
FUCKING
DAMNIT

>> No.56717976

>Want to play my Dudes
>Doing this means I have to take sub-par army builds.

Sometimes I think I'm not right for this game.

>> No.56717977
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>>56717951
Indeed, the Nightbringer by the looks of it. Or just some generic C'tan shard.

I wonder when they'll get a new model, maybe with more options to customise your own C'tan? Eh, who am I kidding, we'll probably get a new Intercepressor thing before that.

>> No.56717983

>>56717973
lol what fucking bitz piece was that

>> No.56717989
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>>56717935
So if any C'tan peaces itself together how fucked is everyone? And which would be the worst to get fully back together?

>> No.56717990
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56717990

I finally got around to making it boys!

>> No.56717995

>>56717976
tell me about your dudes, anon

>> No.56717997

>>56717989
Void Dragon because Mechanicus would get raped. But the Nightbringer would be bad for literally fucking everybody.

>> No.56717999

>>56717983
Frog horns for nurgle daemons.

>> No.56718001

Has anyone uploaded chapter approved yet?

>> No.56718004

>>56717329
>http://www.gowarhead.com/2017/11/war-head-triad-iii-coverage.html

PRE CA nerf though. It's not even Harlequin it's Ynnari with a few harlequin datasheet.

Apply CA to these lists, and you have :

>IG
>Tyranids
>Chaos soup
>Smurf

Which are listed as Podium tier already
>>56716755


The only true "Highlight" of this tournament is the serpent Alaitoc list. Everything else is boring netlist.

>> No.56718006
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>>56717990
It's beautiful.

>> No.56718007

>>56717976
I spend more time doing non-playing things than playing games so I'll gladly build 20 Terminators even if they suck.

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>>56717990

>> No.56718025
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>>56717990

>> No.56718026
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>>56716076
Yup. Balanced breakfast mostly infantry admech wipes half my army turn 1 as guard almost every game.

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>>56717990
Does he have a scarab for a hand?

>> No.56718041
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>>56717990
another one for the collection

>> No.56718045

I forgot can you keep fighting with other weapons if one of the attacks destroys the last model in range.

Eg, power fist kills the one guy connected in the fight, the rest of the hits are now up for que.

>> No.56718047

>>56718044
>>56718044
>>56718044

new thread

>> No.56718050

>>56718036
Yes because I have 78 scarab bases already and I dont want more.

>> No.56718053

>>56718004

It wasn't pre Ynnari nerf though. CA does nothing to anything in any of those lists

>> No.56718060

>>56717995
I can't complain too much because I do Vanilla Marines but I use Imperial Fist Chapter tactics as that the more siege focused one.

Three Preds for kill shot (no issue)
One Whirlwind
2-ten man tacticals (Thunder Hammer, Heavy Bolter, flamer)
5-Sniper Scouts
A librarian
Two Tech Marines
Two Ironclad Dreadnoughts
One six-man Cataphractii squad

It's basically a siege/artillary focused chapter (I used to run 3 whirlwinds, dropping the cataphractii) that, in fluff, is fond of chemical and nuclear weapons.

As such, I tend to stick to armor with basic troops.

As you can probably guess, they're awful in Melee and can't take an alpha strike all that well.

>> No.56718082

>>56718050
make a scarabcron next

>> No.56718083

>>56716742
Seraphims have 24" move range, same firepower cost less than 100pts for such a unit.
Also 3+ saves and two ablative wounds.

>> No.56718085

>>56718045
Once a unit has chosen a target(s) all its attacks will go through.

>> No.56718089

>>56717990
>owning a Citadel painting station
>not having any paints in your Citadel painting station
>putting your model in the paint pot slot on your Citadel painting station

You can't fool me! I too own a Citadel painting station!

>> No.56718101
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56718101

>>56717340

Hugh ?
Dominions Vanguard + Immolator flamer being assault.

>> No.56718104

>>56718089
Jokes on you, I took that picture at my local GW shop! I was just building and priming things today!

>> No.56718110

>>56717989
From those we know of, Void Dragon and Nightbringer would be pretty much on par, I guess. The Nightbringer pretty much imprinted the fear of death into every race, while the Void Dragon was so powerful it took the Emperor to banish a shard of him (according to more recent lore). The Deceiver would probably be more like Tzeentch, but in realspace. All the cunning, all the plans and manipulation and the power to change reality on a whim, but in realspace.
Those guys are doomsday devices waiting to be activated.

>> No.56718112

>>56716874
[citation needed]

Seriously, though. Citation need. That and the +1d3 attacks on the charge thing I hear about.

>> No.56718128

>>56718112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5LlRisUdtA

>> No.56718173

>>56718128
Cool. Thanks.

>> No.56718185

all this necron talk and waac talk makes me wonder what the most waac necron list is.

well. as waac as they can get.

>> No.56718197

>>56718083
Only one squad of them can move 24", though. And they can't advance and shoot. And they've only got 4 guns instead of 5. And they only get a 4++ when they're next to Celestine and never get -1 to hit.

>> No.56718213

>>56717340
He's counting 2d6" advance, not a third move.

>> No.56718272

>>56715759
And now they don't look quite as shit

What a stupid thing to complain about

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>>56715759
>mfw I don't even bother with mold lines, but then spend hours per model painting

>> No.56718421

>>56717841
Dark Eldar just don't give a fuck and understand that hey, shit happens and sooner or later you're going to fuck me over because it's what I'll do when your value to me is gone. They just play the game to win.

>> No.56718460

>>56718396
nice hamburger girl, avatarfag

>> No.56718566

beep beep last hunt epub yos

>> No.56718951

>>56715914
aren't space marines 2x as big as normal men after the gene therapy thingy anyway?

>> No.56718984

>>56718951
probably more like 3-4x as big, if you're including width/weight. bone is super dense, musculature is exaggerated to the max.

>> No.56719157

>>56718984
iirc women can't handle the process. If that were the case this picture only gets funnier

>> No.56719191

>>56719157
she's not a sm. she's an inquisitor, that's a sanctioned piece of termie armor, like coteaz's suit

>> No.56719265

>>56717043
>Magnus was monstrously good at that one thing and had been doing it for decades/centuries.
With the suspicion and fears from literally everyone else, even the khan his closest friend warned him of doing that one thing and lastly the Emperor did clearly warned Magnus of what would happen if he did that one thing

"Woe betide he who ignores my warning or breaks faith with me. He shall be my enemy, and I will visit such destruction upon him and all his followers that, until the end of all things, he shall rue the day he turned from my light."

>> No.56719505

>>56719265
yeeee...i mean he did do something wrong. he didn't like...use the librarius or existing psykers to warn the emperor. he literally used banned sorcery to do it and it fucked shit up, just like emps was trying to prevent wit his edict

>> No.56719761

>>56719505
What's the best weapon to give a Captain if he's got a power sword in his other hand?

>> No.56719772

>>56719505
>>56719761
Sorry, didn't mean to reply.

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