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Aggressive Edition

Playing?
Hating?
Brewing?

Thread Q: What decks you wish were Top Tier?

>RESOURCES:
>Comprehensive Rules
>http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/resources/rules/MagicCompRules_21031101.pdf

>Current Modern Metagame
>http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern

>DATABASES:
>magiccards.info
>gatherer.wizards.com

>> No.56653699

unban stone forge mystic

>> No.56653736

unban splinter twin

>> No.56653774

>>56653540
Sold all the shit since Modern hit the fan.

Question: has Modern at any point not been the goto Aggro or Combo MtG format?

Havnt seen a propper control or Midgame deck since its inception.

>> No.56653803

>>56653774
legacy is the go to format for mtg players with taste

>> No.56654120

>>56653540
>thread q
We can tell it's a question you don't need to tell us champ.

>> No.56654481

>Boros burn bby
>affinity and scapeshift
>not really a brew but building mono green stompy. Was going with T&N but decided against it
>thread q
Mono green stompy, T&N, Grishoalbrand

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:(

>> No.56654801

>>56653540
Trying to build an Esper Reanimator deck, I need suggestions. I'm too poor for goryo's, so I'm just gonna try to be a grindy deck that uses Unburial Rites

>> No.56654822

>>56653774
>What is Jund
>What is Junk
>What are the Eldrazi decks
Get out.

>> No.56655346

>>56654801
>too poor for goryo's
Well that's a shame because LotV was the first thing I was going to recommend. Unless you want to play the reanimator package in a Tron shell I don't know how you're going to make it work without her, since I can only really see slotting the combo into some kind of midrangey brew

>> No.56655720

>>56653540
5 color superfriends

>> No.56655769
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56655769

I had an 8-0 day last week playing cascade balance :)

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56655900

Trying to build on Vebulids. Would love some feedback.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vebulid-1/

>> No.56655945

>>56653540
Anything Temur, it's my favorite color combination

>> No.56655981

Vebulid and Spike Cannibal aren't modern legal reard

>> No.56656061

>>56655981
retard*

Also, I'm not trying to be modern legal. Just playing casually with friends.

>> No.56656343

>>56656061
Then why are you posting in the Modern thread?

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56656399

trying to amalgamate the dankest hollow meme, help me out here /tg/

>> No.56656482

>>56656343
Didn't know where else to post and didn't want to spam with my own thread.

>> No.56656498

>>56656399
can also swap gurmys for monkeys and go pure r/g for easier vengevine hardcasts, at the cost of a slightly worse delvebeast (that trample tho)

>> No.56656556

>>56656399
i am doing the same, for now i am just jamming stuff and thinking , not yet testing, I am storngyl considering cutting the bolts and just using temur rage as reach so that i cna jam in more dank stuff. Also considering claim to fame, but i doubt it has enough targets and strongly considering Wild Nacatl too. I don't really love cathartic reunion since it costs a lot and not loving the neonate either, so i wouldl iek to cut on those as much as possible, but of course cutting your enablers is dangerous so i need to run some numbers for that.

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>>56656556
of course

>> No.56657583

Just bought the stuff I needed for that humans deck. Going to rock that for awhile see how it goes.

>> No.56657621

>>56657583
i hope you play against nothing but rock decks

>> No.56657701

>>56653540
>Playing?
Amulet Titan
>Hating?
All the burn decks at my local. The matchup is fine but the deck is for chimps.
>Brewing?
Thinking about a Through The Breach package for amulet.

>> No.56657839
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56657839

God fucking DAMN I love this card. especially paired with anointed procession and obelisk spider. Any /tokenfags/ here?

>> No.56657958

>>56657839
>>/edh/

>> No.56657977

I just got a 2017 arcane wizardry commander deck. hoping I didn't waste $26.

>> No.56658032
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56658032

My favorite card right now. This shit makes people so mad.

Some examples that have really happened

Turn 1 vs thoughtsieze, take their second thoughtsieze

Redirect bolt to goblin guide

Take Karn, Gideon, Lilly, etc...

Redirect their counterspell and make it fizzle

Take their Scapeshift

Take any noncreature combo piece

Take codex shredder and give Lantern a taste of its own medicine

the list goes on...

>> No.56658125

>>56657958

I don't play EDH, I use this in modern.

>> No.56658446

>>56658032
I really only see this being any good in blue decks that can't beat Tron or Through the Breach. Exiling 2 cards from your hand is an absolutely crazy heavy cost.

>> No.56658722

So I got a bunch of pieces for eldrazi and taxes and I know there's not really a set decklist.

Anyone have a list for a meta full of abzan, jund, and control? Aggro, burn, and affinity are rarely played here so I need something for a grinder game

>> No.56658945

>>56654574
he looks like he's reading a cue-card thats on his desk

>> No.56658959

>>56653540
i just got llanoar elf, elvish mystic, and arbor elf. what sort of ramp shenanigans can i pull with these three?

>> No.56659010

>>56656482
>Where can I post my deck that has nothing to do with modern
>I know I'll post it in the modern thread
Don't post your shit in here. Thanks

>> No.56659020

>>56658446
I said it was my favorite not that it's good in every deck :P

There are certain reasons it works in my deck and because of that it has won me a lot of games against a variety of opponents. In decks where the cards you would be exiling give you a similar effect (like remand or cryptic), you would be losing a lot of advantage. In my deck, most times the advantage I get from Commandeer is much greater than what I end up exiling.

>> No.56659081

>>56658125
>I use this in modern
And I top 8 with Fungus tribal

>>56657977
see >>56655569

>> No.56659094

>>56658722
Are you asking for cards for your E&T 75 to help you grind better or what deck is the best alternative to grind with?
Assuming it's the former, Gideon AoZ is solid, and people used to play Elspeth Knight Errant in the SB. Otherwise you can just go up to 4 displacers and just sandbag them until you have the Mana open for multiple activations, most decks have a hard time with that if you have another threat

>> No.56659149

>>56658959
Arbor elf mostly loves in tooth and nail, and the other 2 go in regular elves.
Neither deck is very good

>> No.56659190

>>56653774
"Traditional" Bant was once a solid pick. It was very much a Midrange deck. Control has always lacked the tools it needs to keep pace with aggressive threats in the format.

>> No.56659201

>>56659094
Forgot to mention Celestial purge is deceptively strong in the SB, it seems narrow but deals well with a lot of the threats Taxes lists otherwise struggle to answer. It's probably your cleanest answer to Lily if your meta is full of midrange

>> No.56659202

>>56653540
more like Women Of The Color amirite

>> No.56660112

>>56659094
yeah I was asking for stuff for me eldrazi and taxes 75. I've seen a bunch of different lists and they all really vary. Like some include bobs some don't, some include flickerwisp as either a playset or none, some run push some don't and run more creatures. May throw in Gideon Aoz

>> No.56660648

>>56659010
wow dude get a tampon its just a thread. he wanted advice and most of those cards are modern legal

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Who's on trice and has time for a game?

>> No.56660957

so im building a 5 color allies deck and am going to add 2 AEther vial. Other than those expensive cards I want some shock lands. I have 22 land slots which are currently populated with 3 Rupture Spire, 2 City of Brass, 4 Plains, 3 Island, 3 Swamp, 3 Mountains, 4 Forest.
I dont want too many shock lands because historically I've had good luck with mana fixing. Any suggestions how to decide what lands to use?

>> No.56660999

>>56660957
If you are doing 5 color allies I'd use 4 cavern of souls, ancient ziggurat , and unclaimed territory

>> No.56661077

>>56660999
>cavern of souls
oof, loads of money right there.
what would you say would be more important? AEther Vial or Cavern?
Also, opinions on pain lands v. shock lands?

>> No.56661108

>>56661077
>>56660999
>>56660711

dam

>> No.56661162

>>56660957
There really aren't any good black allies, You are better off going Naya or Bant

>> No.56661199

>>56653540

>Playing
Vizier Company

>Hating
Tron pls go and stay go

>Brewing
Really just various flavors of Vizier Company. The deck has a lot of flex slots, making it super modular, and I just love playing around with different ideas.

>> No.56661239

>>56661162
Hagra Diabolist and Bala Ged Thief. I built this when Scars came out because Harabaz Druid + Gen. Wave + E.T.B. effects

>> No.56661267

>>56653540
>Playing?
Mono U Thing
>Hating?
Anything with non-basics
>Brewing?
U/R Thing with 4 magus 4 blood moon
>Thread Q: What decks you wish were Top Tier?
Bant Knightfall

>> No.56661293

>>56661199
>plays Visier company
>can't beat tron
How bad are you at this game anon?
Even on the draw your matchup vs Tron should be obscenely skewed in your favour

>> No.56661318

>>56653774
Is that not what UWR control is right now?

>> No.56661326

>>56661293

I never said it was a bad matchup. I just hate playing against it. It always feels like a slog in my experience, even though I rarely actually lose.

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No idea if this is the place to post but there's a bunch of MtG generals. Finally bit the bullet and started my physical collection.

This is what I bought. Almost bought the gift box things but apparently those are terrible value.

>> No.56661419

>>56660648
>wow dude get a tampon its just a thread.
Sorry I don't like off topic shit in the thread you dumb faggot.

>> No.56661466

>>56661339
>Dragon Shield ivory matte
Ma nigga

>> No.56661566
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>mfw Modern is dying

>> No.56661629

>>56661339
>dragon shield matte
Good man

>new wotc product
Good goy

This is the thread for the discussion of the modern format and while those cards you bought *are* modern legal, they aren't exactly playable in the format due to much more powerful things going on, unless you play at the most casual of levels. I suggest you google Mtg formats and decide on which one you'd like to play and try and build your collection towards that. I might add that it's much better for you to buy singles especially with the garbage wotc has been printing recently. Most importantly get informed about the format you wish to play so you know what you want to buy and what you want to avoid. It would probably beneficial to either google stuff for new players or make a thread.

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56661679

>>56661566
pls be lying I just started building a deck

>> No.56661705

>>56661566
why is Modern dying?

>> No.56661734

>>56661705
We've all moved to the superior format Legacy

>> No.56661831

>>56661679
Might as well torch your cards if they aren't Legacy playable my man.

>> No.56661943

>>56661831
phew, thank goodness Snapcaster and Sclading Tarn are used in Legacy...right?

>> No.56661993

>>56661943
Nope :) You can send them to me instead of torching them though, I wouldn't want you wasting cardboard.

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>>56661993
>Nope :)

>> No.56663775

>>56661734
>Deathrite Shaman: the Format

>> No.56663814

>>56663723
;)

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/legacy

>> No.56663867

>>56663775
It's not nearly bad enough to be called a deathrite format desu. Now if you said cantripping: the format

>> No.56663891

>>56655769
List please.

>> No.56664365

>>56658032
I'm thinking of running some in my turn's deck to prevent a counterspell when I'm going off.

>> No.56665328

Went 3-0 tonight at a local weekly with amulet titan. didn't drop a single game. Beat burn, skred, and affinity.

>> No.56665408
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How do I create a deck around this card

>> No.56665456

>>56665408
By playing EDH

>> No.56665623

>>56653774
The fuck you're talking about, Jund has been the top dog for most of the format's lifespan (and is still the safest choice) and Jeskai and UW control are Tier 1 right now.

>> No.56665748

>>56665456
>This bitch does not know about angel moon
Lol KYS asap

>>56665408
Blood moon, ghostly prison, chalice and some wraths

>> No.56665803

>>56665748
Post a list or GTFO nigger

>> No.56665808

>>56665748
>This bitch does not know about an obscure meme deck
lol kys asap

>> No.56665854

>>56665803
It's an MTGGoldfish meme deck
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/instant-deck-tech-angel-moon

>> No.56665903

>>56665854
That deck looks fucking awful

>> No.56665931

>>56653540
Here’s a card idea
>Rally the troops
>1 gen 2white instant
>target creature gets +2/+2 and gains creatures you control gain +1/+1 until end of turn

>> No.56666233

>>56665903
That surprises you?

>> No.56667428

>>56653540
Is there any reason to play anything other than Grixis DS or Eldrazi Tron if you play to win?

>> No.56667720

>>56658032
Seems pretty costly to card advantage. Do you happen to run Misthollow Griffiths as fodder and beaters?

>>56667428
Affinity

>> No.56667764

>tfw have to wait until next month to buy the rest of my Affinity deck

Feels bad man. Wish the holidays would fuck off already.

>> No.56667803

>>56653540
>Thread Q: What decks you wish were Top Tier?
Any non-BG midrange decks
>8Rack
>Faeries
>MBC
>Rainbow Beats
>Mardu Midrange

Shamefully won't ever happen because WotC is in bed with the Tron meme.

>> No.56667823

>>56665408
Mardu Reanimator

>> No.56667825

>>56667803
What about GDS
>it can't be mid range, it has 1 counterspell!

>> No.56667845

>>56667825
Faeries has counters.

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>>56653540
>Thread Q: What decks you wish were Top Tier?
Spirits, especially non-CoCo Spirit decks.

>> No.56668001

>>56667764
By the rest do you mean 4 opals?

>> No.56668045

>>56668001
Opals, Ravagers, Etched Champions, Masters, and sideboard although I've already got a bit of the sideboard mainly Blood Moon and Thoughtseize.

>> No.56668085

>>56668045
Wait until Masters 25 in Feb to get the rest of your deck. You might save a ton.

>> No.56668087

>>56668001
Aren't Etched Champs cheap?

>> No.56668106

>>56668085
>waiting till February when Modern comes back to the Pro Tour

sounds like a terrible idea to be honest. there'll be more interest in Modern which means demand will go up and prices will go up as well especially with a top tier deck like affinity.

>> No.56668125

>>56668087
They are. I just prioritized Inkmoths and Overseers this month over them.

>> No.56668165

>>56668106
When Ravengers and Opals drop to $15 a pop after another overprinted masters set don't come crying to me.

>> No.56668176

Can someone explain why Dredge runs Darkblast?
I'm new to the deck and that card has been useless in the 20 duels I've done so far but some guys run 3.

>> No.56668183

>>56668165
Yeah but anon what if the Pro Tour causes them to spike? I'm legit worried about this.

>> No.56668197

>>56668176
Just depends on the meta mostly, they're probably using old lists. It's good against creature combo.

>> No.56668224

>>56668183
Hey man, welcome to the speculation market!

You can:
>spend $250 on Opals and $150 on Ravengers now
>wait and see if it becomes cheaper and buy low

And either:
>they drop in value by about 66% and you lose literally hundreds of dollars because you didn't buy some cardboard at the correct time
>OR they spike and you COULD make a few bucks if you sold them, but you won't and eventually they will crash in price and you stand there sobbing like the cuck you are

>> No.56668237

>>56668224
if they reprint either affinity drops in price like 50%

>> No.56668249

>>56668224
Alright I'll wait until February. Is there a set date for the set?

>> No.56668279

>>56668197
I ask because the latest Dredge example on goldfish is some guy with 3 Darkblast. I just don't understand why under any circumstances you'd run it.

>> No.56668332

>>56668279
Yeah that's pretty abnormal. If you look at the breakdown below the list you can see most decks run it as a one of, allowing you a high chance of accessing it when you dredge your deck out, but low chance of actually drawing it.
I'd imagine the guy running 3 was predicting a lot of humans, and looking at the top 8 he was right, as well as DnT.

>> No.56668439

>>56668237
Affinity becomes a fucking budget deck if those 2 are reprinted.

>>56668249
No date yet. I mean you can buy them now and sell high if you wanna take the risk. Just don't sit on Opals that are at $80-$90 a card in a few months thinking you can sell them at $100-$110 later. They WILL be reprinted.

>> No.56668660

>>56665408
WR fireball tron?

>> No.56668779

How the fuck is tron still a thing?

How is it not banned yet?

What does it lose to?

>> No.56668795

>>56668779
anything fast

>> No.56668811

>Affinity is down to 5% on MtGTop8

What caused Affinity to take such a big hit? Wasn't it at like 8%?

>> No.56668812

>>56668795
So modern as a format is warped around tron?

>> No.56668832

>>56668812
yes

>> No.56668849

>>56668811
Storm and GDS take care of it pretty efficiently, especially post-board.

>> No.56668856

>>56668832
Time to buy into legacy.

>> No.56668870

>>56668856
Hope you like DRS and Brainstorms!

>> No.56668894

>>56668849
So is that why decks are running Hope of Ghirapur?

Also is Affinity dead now? :(

>> No.56668930

>>56668894
Yeah, it's a nice piece of tech from SCG Regionals, but still pretty flimsy. I don't think the deck is dying, but it's definitely hit a low point.

but hey that means no bans

>> No.56668933

>>56668870
Time to buy into commander

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>>56668930
>but hey that means no bans

Well that's good at least.

>> No.56668962

>infect on the cusp of death close to its last breath
>literally 1 deck on mtgtop8
>now it has 18
>all of them are dogshit that still fold to fatal push/path

Nothing in the decks have changed. The format is really fucking weird right now.

>> No.56668975

>>56668930
So is Affinity still Tier 1 or did it get cucked by Storm and pushed to 2?

>> No.56668996

>>56668975
I'd say it's still Tier 1, it's been top 8'ing here and there. Remember that Affinity is strongest when it's off the radar so as people start to shave hate it'll come back.

Although sometimes I just want to go full jank and go mono B with some Urborgs and maindeck Thoughtseize.

>> No.56669005

>>56668996
There's nothing stopping you from using Lupine prototype either. Embrace the Jank. a 5/5 for 2 mana. Upside of not having to sac your board for a 5/5. Downside you don't have a hand when attacking or blocking.

>> No.56669106

>>56669005
It's fuel for Shrapnel Blast and Fling, and it helps Metalcraft for Galvanic Blast, so if you want to make a Metal Burn deck, maybe you could use Lupine Prototype as a combo piece.
Of course why not just play Burn at that point? Better yet why not make a 5/5 Darksteel deck using Tezzeret and auras?

>> No.56669119

>>56669005
>>56669106
You never go full jank

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>>56669119
watch this
*format warps and fluxes*

>> No.56669338

i am new and want to play modern, is goblin guide good

>> No.56669504

>>56669206
>march of the machines
>all our mox opals are now 0/0's
>board wipe yourself
>mox's dont count towards colossus
>island

>> No.56669635

>>56653774
When will this "control is unplayable in modern" meme end? Jeskai control is literally the top metadeck right now.

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>>56669635
>MFW control doing better then affinity and burn
Be thanks to DS and storm for slowing everything down and allowing this.

>> No.56669959

>>56669769
>1 mana 7/7s and T3 wins have slowed the format down
Well that's completely fucking wrong. What's doing well isn't traditional control, it's Jeskai decks running Bolt and Snapcaster, aka. kill multiple Barals and have the reach to finish off Death's Shadow players.

>> No.56669975

>>56669959
>it's not REAL control if you don't rev for 15!

>> No.56670020

>>56669975
So Death's Shadow is control too? I mean, they have counterspells and removal.

>> No.56670056

>>56670020
Yes, unfortunately there is no nuance to deck categorization, so we obviously go by the 'one drop rule' and 2 counters are the same as 12.

>> No.56670166

>>56653540
>What decks you wish were Top Tier?
Eternal Command. Or just some RUG deck where I can play huntmaster.

>> No.56670940

>>56669635
Never, Control players are whiny prats who aren't happy unless they can ruin everyone they play against's day.

>> No.56670967

>>56669959
Not only is jeskai control control, but UW has been doing its best since i started playing modern. Also death's shadow is not the aggro deck it used to be, yes 1 mana 7/7 slowed the format down because now people are forced to respond to the 7/7 or the baral.

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>>56653540
>Playing
KCI Trawler Eggs
>Hating
Tron because that shit is a broken mechanic
>Brewing
Restore Balance because it seems fun

I would say that I'd like to see Eggs as top tier but then people would start running even more artifact disruption and it'd probably eat a ban again for being "too slow".

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>>56669635
>Jeskai control is literally the top metadeck right now.

>> No.56671470

>>56668870
>not showing annex and animating iona on black

>> No.56671692

>>56671450
>implying it isn't slow as fuck

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56672471

>>56654481
Man I want to throw in a package of Nykthos along with a voyaging satyr or two and a genesis wave for the spicy meme, yay or nay?

>> No.56672482

>>56672471
*In mono green stompy

>> No.56672554

>>56671470
>not unmasking them
>not just exhuming Gdaddy and draw 7 your way into animating Sire so they don't get a hand

>> No.56673351

>>56671692
Have you played the Trawler version?
Winning the game in 10 minutes isn't slow; no one uses Pyrite Spellbomb anymore.

>> No.56673460

>>56669338
Very much so
Burn is pretty much always solid and turn 1 goblin guide is one of the strongest burn plays in the format

>> No.56673549

>>56672471
>>56672482
I don't think it's a good idea mang. Mono gee stompy is aggro, voyaging satyr and Genesis wave don't really fit in without trimming threats. Go T&N if you want that action

>> No.56674127

>>56673549
gotchya, Stompy is gonna be my next build as an easier deck to play against my more casual friends, I dont like storming off against vampires

>> No.56674250

>looking though the standard gauntlent decks
>worldwake's standard deck is basically a tier 0 modern deck
Twinblade with JTMS and other blue cantrip goodies looks so fucking busted.

>> No.56674371

>>56674250
I've been told that standard was basically Eldrazi winter for modern but worse

>> No.56674410

>>56674250
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-online/gauntlet-7-worldwake-2017
Damn look at these thigs, how did we go from that to today's standard?

>> No.56674570

>>56674410
Today's standard was just as busted. Rai combo is fringe T3 in Modern, Marvel cheated out big daddy Eldrazi on T4 which would be modern playable if not for the rest of the weak shell (energy cards aren't good enough).

Also Smuggler's Copter is busted. The difference is Wizards won't acknowledge those decks exist for another few years when people change from upset to nostalgic.

I think you just mean the cards have gotten shittier, and to that I agree.

>> No.56675659

>>56674570
>I think you just mean the cards have gotten shittier, and to that I agree.
Why you correct me then? Today's standard clearly also refers to card quality of today's standard.
Alsothere ios a big difference between a T3 combo and a combo which is banned in modern and miracles was only that good because standard is bad enough that energy is very good on its own, if energy wasn't good miracles could easily be hated out of tier 1 and it isn't consistent enough to begin with.

>> No.56675746

How do Etron players feel about Ulamog in the mainboard? I hear mixed things about him, I feel like he's good enough to keep sometimes but the last few FNMs he's just been a dead card

>> No.56676178

>>56675746
he is a dead draw so often, also at 10 mana how often will you realistically need ulamog to win that game? I am not saying he is winmore because 10 mana is not an autowin situation for tron, but you are usually going to win a game or be about to win the game if you are at ten mana. Ula is not worth it.

>> No.56676341

>>56675659
Why the hell are you talking about Miracles?

>> No.56677108

>>56676341
meant marvel of course.

>> No.56679455

whats the point of playing modern when you can play legacy

>> No.56679491

>>56679455
No cards no players, online is where the legacy lives

>> No.56679688
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but what does he mean with that

>> No.56679690

>>56679491
yeah but there are no fun control decks

>> No.56679727

>>56679690
Modern having a lower power level allows Lantern to not be crushed like it would in legacy. It also happens to be the most fun control deck to play ever made.

>> No.56679885

>>56679690
What kind are you looking for? There's not a single deck archetype both played in Legacy and Modern that's more fun in Modern so you're out of luck no matter which deck you wanna play

>> No.56679959

>>56679885
Not even sure. I just looked over the ban list and all the fun cards are gone

>> No.56680087

>>56679959
So why was stone forge banned?

>> No.56680117
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>>56679959
The main complaint alot of people have about modern is that control may be a little too neutered, some people want JTMS but I dont see it. Very fucking good card

>> No.56680135

>>56679688
What he means is "I'm a salty scrub, I should be allowed to play 5 colour slivers and not get blown the fuck out by everything.

>> No.56680138

>>56680087
It was pre-emptively put one the original ban list due to power level concerns.

>> No.56680231

>>56680138
Is there no good artifact removal in modern?

>> No.56680288

>>56680135
Idk, I think modern is so aggro centric because tron is that good

>> No.56680300

>>56680231
Hardly, in fact now that we have Kolaghan's command and Abrade SFM is like a complete non-issue IMO

>> No.56680366
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56680366

Standard is garbage and my local scene is full of whiny kids, vampire roleplayers, and drug addicts. Desperate to escape this, I've decided to start playing Modern somewhere else and would like some advice on starting up an Eldrazi deck after getting some cards from my friends for a birthday gift. Any help would be appreciated.

>> No.56680430

>>56680366
Do you have $1000 lying around that you don't need?

>> No.56680441

>>56680430
Is it that expensive?

>> No.56680450

>>56680366
Colorless or colored?

>> No.56680468

>>56680441
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=17608&d=309067&f=MO

This is the colourless version, mind. BW versions are cheaper.

>> No.56680521

>>56679727
Lantern control and shitbrewing are the only two things I enjoy about this format.

>> No.56680563

>>56680450
Preferably the cheaper option.

>>56680468
I actually have most of these bar the chalices and Karns.

>> No.56680586

>>56680563
Chalice and Karn makes up like over half the deck's value senpai.

>> No.56680645

>>56680586
That's what I sorta thought. Is there a valid substitute for Karn?

>> No.56680942
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>>56680645
Ugin, or another dumb colorless creature. I like Pic

>> No.56680971

>>56680645
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/836848
I'm sure a list like this would be fine at FNM.
BW Eldrazi is an alternative but Thalia is really getting up there and Aether Vial is never all that cheap.

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>>56680942
>(Zero is even)

>> No.56681020

>>56680981
Yep. Zero is even

>> No.56681031

>>56668849
GDS is almost a bye for Affinity. I've played against the deck well over 50 times and I've lost maybe 12 times.

>> No.56681108

>>56681020
Its more of the fact that you have to remind people

>> No.56681144

>>56681020
Isn't that odd?

>> No.56681253

>>56680981
That's what I thought lol

>> No.56681765

>>56669635
It's really a midrange deck and you know it.

>> No.56681836

>>56660711
Which challenge list do you play?

>> No.56682287

I have $200 and I want to be mildly competitive at modern night, I have never played mtg but I really want to get into it, is there literally anything I can buy for $200 that can help me top 8 at a shitty game night?

>> No.56682308

>>56682287
half an underground sea

>> No.56682333

>>56681144
>any number that can be divided by itself and 1 with no remainder is even.
>0/1 = 0
>0/0 = ???
Yep, checks out.

>> No.56682354

>>56682333
thats not the definition of an even number you fucking retard

>> No.56682373

>>56682308
are you meming or should i just not bother

>> No.56682393

>>56682333
What?
>3/1 = 3
>3/3 = 1
3 is even?

>> No.56682410

>>56682287
Maybe goblins

>> No.56682422

>>56680981
I thought we didn't allow brainlets in mtg

>> No.56682425

>>56682333
Fuck, that's prime numbers. Let me try that again.
>any number that can be divided by itself and 1 2 with no remainder is even.
>0/2 = 0
OK we're good here.

>> No.56682429

>>56682373
both

underground sea isnt modern legal but it really is around 400 dollars

You can get half an Elves or UR storm deck though

>> No.56682442

>>56682422
see
>>56681108

>> No.56682446

>>56682287
UR gifts is quite cheap for a Tier 1 modern deck. I'd get that

>> No.56682459

>>56682425
THATS NOT THE DEFINITION OF PRIME NUMBERS YOU FUCKING RETARD

AND THATS STILL NOT THE FUCKING DEFINITION OF EVEN NUMBERS

>> No.56682501

>>56682410
>>56682429
>>56682446
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/842678#paper

is this bad at all?
i really like red, i cant really go over $200, its just a christmas treat for myself really

>> No.56682541

>>56682501
i mean its goblins, its not great but i guess it will do

>> No.56682633

>>56682541
alright, i'll just put the $80 left toward upgrading it

>> No.56682639

>>56682287
UW Spirits can be upgraded and evolved to Bant Spirits.
BW Tokens can be upgraded.
Mono-White Humans can be upgraded and evolved into 4/5-Color Humans.
8Rack can be upgraded, but it's matchups are highly dependant.
Mono-Green Stompy can be upgraded and evolved into other things such as Naya Zoo or Abzan Counters.
You could also go to MTGGoldfish and look up some janky budget deck articles and look at the non-budget decklists and compare with the budget, since budget decks are defined there as being around $100 or less.

>> No.56682666

>>56682633
You dont upgrade goblins

>> No.56682849

>>56682287
See if you can borrow a deck form a friend first and learn the game before dropping that.
You could probably buy most of burn outside of the Goblin Guides for that.

>> No.56682946

>>56682849
i dont have any friends

>> No.56682948
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56682948

Check out my meme

>> No.56682976

>>56682946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW93CV6m-JU

>> No.56683206

>>56682976
ironically, i wanted to start playing mtg to make friends
>rip

>> No.56683208

I've never played any of the eternal formats but I've been really wanting to get into modern. I wanted to start out with Burn or Merfolk. Turns out I'm not down with spending 60 bucks a pop for Cavern in a format I dont know if I'll like. My question is whether or not I can be mildly competitive with mono Red burn leaving out the multiple copies of every fetch land. I don't want to be trying to compete at big events with it or anything I just dont want to get my head caved in at my local LGS.

>> No.56683223

>>56683208
>local LGS
Burn is a great choice for you

>> No.56683298

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/its-prime-time-3/
>Titanshift costs less to build than Naya Burn
Does this mean Titanshift is officially a Budget deck now?

>> No.56683314

>>56653699

Ex-Legacy Stoneblade player from way back, aren't most of the good equips other than Batterskull banned?

>> No.56683339

>>56683314
just clamp and jitte

>> No.56683392
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>>56683223
Cuck

>> No.56683442
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>>56683392

>> No.56683498

>Summer bloom is banned in modern
>the legacy land deck doesnt even play it
whats the point. I know DD is banned but come on

>> No.56683517

>>56683498
Amulet Bloom was fucking cancer, Summer Bloom deserved the ban.

>> No.56683529

>>56682666
[cries in goblin grenade]

>> No.56683547

>>56683498
>deck that loses to FoW is banned in format with no FoW
Truly causes me to ponder only in legacy though, banned in modern

>> No.56683622

>>56683498
The vast majority of the modern ban list sees no play in legacy or vintage.

>> No.56683694
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>>56683622
The fuck? Look at the list my guy

These are the cards on the ban list that dont see legacy play

Artifact Lands
Birthing Pod
Blazing Shoal
Dig Through Time
Summer Bloom
Treasure Cruise

Everything else is a piece of a legacy deck

>> No.56683709

>>56683694
whoops forgot second sunrise

lmao what is that even doing on there

>> No.56683715

>>56655981
REeeerard

>> No.56683749

>>56683694
If you're counting banned cards why do you only list Dig and cruise?
Also Twin, hypergenesis, BBE, Rite of Flame, Seething Song

>> No.56683782

>>56683694
T-Tezzeret Affinity will be a t-thing in Legacy some day!

>> No.56683790

>>56656399
See /tg/ this is how you ask for help with deck lists! So proud of you annon

>> No.56683811

>>56683749
Because I forgot they were banned in legacy

All those cards see play in legacy
Twin in Twin
Hypergenesis in hypergenesis
BBE in jund
rite of flame and seething song in mono red storm

>> No.56683831

>>56683709
Second Sunrise is there to stop Eggs from being Tier Zero

>> No.56683930

>>56683831
Eggs isn't that good with sunrise, the problem is eggs doesn't fit in with the current tournament time system. When you go to time in a tournament there's 5 more turns shared between both players, which works fine as long as those turns are relatively short. Eggs can take extremely long turns, and if a couple eggs fuckers extended each round 5-15 minutes then the whole day goes hours overtime. In addition to making everyone tired and angry, the people running the venue and judges still need to get paid.

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>>56671453
Dumb faget.

>> No.56684387

>>56684374
damn otros is broken

>> No.56684434

>>56684374
When will we be free of this Tron faggotry?

>> No.56684468

>>56684387
Don't trust these shifty spic stats, pendejo!

>> No.56684577

>>56684374
Why Spanglish?

>> No.56684953

>>56658722
Play big mana decks if that's your meta and enjoy your free wins

>> No.56684962

>>56657701
Hey annon have you played with pentaid prisms in your list? If so wat r your thoughts??

>> No.56684999

>>56663891
nuuuu its secret

>> No.56685562

>>56658722
>Anyone have a list for a meta full of abzan, jund, and control?
play regular death & taxes with multiple copies of dusk/dawn. popping a couple large goyfs and gassing up your hand again feels great.

>> No.56685565

>>56653540
>Playing?
Martyr Proc
>Hating?
Big mana
>Brewing?
Picked up Saffron Olive's newest meme eternal command deck and I've been messing with it. It also gets destroyed by big mana though.

>> No.56686240

>>56665328
How you beat skred?

>> No.56686301

>>56668176
Dreadging dark last call affinity seems like the dream.

>> No.56686397

>>56682459
Well, an even number is defined as being of form 2k where k is an integer. This can be organized to what he said so stop sperging out.

>> No.56686491

>>56661339

Stay away from the newer decks, look into older sets of decks and snag commander decks for staples.

>> No.56686589
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Moonfolk or Ooze tribal?

I'm trying to shake up the meta.

>> No.56686599

>>56686589
Moonfolk

>> No.56686708

>>56665931
Wow, nice card. People gonna love leaving it on the table after the draft.

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>>56686599
:thinking:

>> No.56686827

>>56686783
Jeez every card from Kamigawa could cost 2 less with no troubles.

>> No.56687130

>>56686783
By the time you play one of those creatures, the opponent is already shuffling for the next round, waiting for the next win.

>> No.56687349

>>56686240
You need to get a little lucky but I maindeck 4 basic forests so that helps. G1 he had t2 moon off ssg but not much else. I got a basic down, used it to stirrings into a second basic, and was able to slam a titan and then a 2nd titan. G2 i boarded in 2 thragtusk, tireless tracker, and a couple artifact/enchantment destruction cards. Thragtusk bought be time till I found my 2nd basic. They got down moon and bridge, but tracker let me draw a bunch, and I destroyed the moon and got them with my spicy 1-of hive mind.

>> No.56687628

>>56686827
>desperate rituals for 0
Yes please

>> No.56687644

>>56687349
How the fuck you managed to slam in a titan without ckmboing? What was he doing in the meantime? How much did you ramp for it?

>> No.56688263

My wife bought me into affinity for our anniversary. I have never played modern before outside of infect. How should I be looking to play this deck and what should I be watching out for?

>> No.56688314

>>56688263
Dump your whole hand in one turn.
If they play stony silence or kataki and you don't have lethal scoop

>> No.56688320

>>56688263
Generally you want to be sequencing your opening couple of turns to spaff your hand onto the table as fast as possible. Your big payoff cards are Cranial Plating, Steel Overseer, and Master of Etherium. Arcbound Ravager makes your board super resilient to removal and can turn dead cards into power. Combat maths can get quite difficult, but if you really want to start using Affinity as your main deck, you can learn a lot just from goldfishing until your hand is empty.

>> No.56689163

>>56686397
No, according to his definition 0 isnt even because it cant divide itself

>> No.56689274

>>56689163
Any number divided by itself is 1.

>> No.56689298

>>56689274
Not zero

>> No.56689474

You fucks need to take a remedial math class holy shit. Didn't realize this general was full of brainlets

>> No.56689535

>>56689474
This is the modern general after all. All the smart people play legacy

>> No.56689543

>>56689474
Who got what wrong?

>> No.56689556

>>56689535
Still got my set of Tops waiting for the day, senpai.

>> No.56689653

>>56680300
the fear against SFM is that even if you dso destroy the artifact it is card advantage for them. The only gbod way to combat SFM is killing it, but that forces every single deck to have a removal for every single SFM in every single instance it is drawn.
Not saying it should stay banned, just that artifac t removal is not enough to know it's ok to unban. (ancient grudge is better then those)

>> No.56689672

>>56689653
Oh my god a card is a two for one? Holy fucking shit please leave this thing banned. Speaking of which, why isn't Divination banned too?

>> No.56689680

>>56689653
you know SFM is just a 1/2 right

if you lost to that beating you down you got problems

>> No.56689780

>>56689680
>snap is just a 2/1 who cares it's not a good card
>>56689672
>but fo course i will always have the answer this is not a good card because a certain answer exists and i might have it in hand at the right time

yes it can be answered and yes the body isn't big, but that's only worst case scenario, in the worst case scenario DS just eats a push or path, doesn't mean it's a bad card does it?

>> No.56689862

>>56689780
Thats not what I said. I said that if you real with the artifact, theres not much of a threat left

>> No.56689921

>>56689862
That's partially true, you can ignore the SFM, but he might draw another big artifact or another SFM and then you might get punished if it's an artifact or forced to use removal on the first SFM. It isn't necessarily a 2 for 1, that is true, but it can be forced or you can be punished for not taking it.( of course it's unlikely that he does draw another one, so ignore that ppssibility if you want)

>> No.56689968

>>56689921
Reminder that all Planeswalkers are X for 1s (x being any number) and thus all should be banned.

>> No.56689977

>>56689968
Reminder that i never said SFM should stay banned

>> No.56690025

>>56689921
if you can remove the batter skull then you only have 2 swords to worry about

>> No.56690245

>>56689977
Well I fucking am. Ban it. Then unban Jitte.

>> No.56690436

if they unban sfm then i can see myself playing modern, otherwise hell no

>> No.56690857

>>56690245
What a genius you are.

>> No.56691075
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Anyone know some good sites for finding or learning about card combos? I'm new to magic and want to get into modern.

Also is Lilianna deaths majesty a good alternative to Lilianna the last hope.

>> No.56691146

>>56691075
Nope. Effects aside, the difference between 5 mana and 3 mana are massive.

>> No.56691202

>>56691146

Too bad, the last hope version is out of my price range. Might by deaths majesty anyway cause I like the card art.

>> No.56691475
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Is this a healthy format?

>> No.56691706

>>56691475
LANTERN BOIS [email protected]

>> No.56691788

How do I beat death's shadow with taxes/eldrazi taxes? I don't know if I'm doing things wrong or if I should sideboard different or if it's just a bad matchup

>> No.56691989

>>56691475
Modern is probably the healthiest format right now outside of maybe pauper. Its a real shame it costs so much to get into.

>> No.56692250
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>>56653540

I just found my old Dimir Intrigues deck and holy shit.

Is it fucking terrible or am I bad or do I dont like those mechanics? I can't seem to do shit with it and always lose. Everything seems meh, overcosted or too scarce to be of actual use.

>> No.56692298

>>56691788
Probably just a bad matchup.

>> No.56692380

If a card states I take control of my opponent for a turn does that mean I can cheat to get disqualified and he gets disqualified since it was "his" doing?

>> No.56692438

>>56691788
Mirran Crusader, Flickerwisp, Eldrazi Displacer, any graveyard hate you can find.

you really just have to play that match a lot to 'get' it. regular d&t is a lot better, but i've done it on the weekly with e&t.

>> No.56692470

>>56692380
no, because you did it. not them. you don't magically turn into the other player, you're just using her stuff.

>> No.56692485

>>56692380
Someone get this man some coloured blocks to stack.

>> No.56692495

>>56692470
>her

>> No.56692536

>>56692495
>touching another guy's stuff
What are you, gay?

>> No.56692570

Don't where else to ask this. But I am about to move to Germany. South Germany to be more specific.
How is the mtg scene there?

>> No.56692573

>>56691788
Going up on flyers and displacer(if you aren't on 4 already) can help you finish them off. You also have a fair bit of game disrupting their generally greedy manabases, selfless spirit to protect your thalias and arbiters, possible sideboard mindcensor
If your meta has a lot of ds then you'd probably be better off pivoting to a monowhite taxes build, which benefits from more manabase pressure, more fliers and being able to jam Mirran Crusader

>> No.56692705

>>56653540

Affinity
BW Smallpox
Jeskai something. Tempo or control, who knows. I might get cards for both. Also UG Merfolk

I'd love to see more johnnyshit that isn't scapeshift. I'm fucking sick of seeing scapeshift in every event here

>> No.56692732

>>56653540
Playan:
Boggles
Hatin:
The fact that if I don’t main 4 Leyline of Sancitity I die to going second
Brewing:
Nothing ATM
Thread Q:
Counter Company. I see so little of them mainboarding Lilianas, Inq., AND thoughtseize.

>> No.56693391

>>56692732
>I see so little of them mainboarding Lilianas, Inq., AND thoughtseize
I know you're not bright because you play boggles, but they literally don't have room maindeck due to the constrictions that CoCo places on the deck.

>> No.56693580

Is this AIDS deck worth it at all?

I can get it for 40€

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiY9MLrs8f0

>> No.56693597

>>56693580


4x Glistener Elf
4x Necropede
4x Ichorclaw Myr
4x Mutagenic Growth
4x Rancor
4x Giant Growth
4x Groundswell
4x Might of Old Krosa
4x Larger Than Life
4x Apostle's Blessing
20x Forest

>> No.56693660

>>56693597
Don't expect to win any big tournaments, but Mono Green Infect is great against less interactive decks. You should look into getting a copy of Pendlehaven, some Blossoming Defence, and Vines of the Vastwood.

>> No.56693912

>>56657839
Yep, as well as nest of scarabs.

>> No.56693983

>>56687130
Or just play UW control and splash the combo in

>> No.56694090

>>56693983
There's no reason to do that when UW has better ways to win. This isn't /edhg/ kid.

>> No.56694123

>>56694090
Moonfolk

>> No.56694329

>>56691989
Wrong. Healthiest format is legacy

>> No.56694375

>>56694329
>DRS v field full of unfair decks v D&T
Wow that sounds amazing. Thank god Miracles is dead.

>> No.56694481

>>56694375
Actually there is a wide field of decks in all the archetypes

>> No.56694500

>>56694481
Yeah there's Sultai DRS, 4 colour DRS, Jund DRS, Grixis DRS splashing green. All kinds of decks!

>> No.56694526

>>56694500
http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=LE

or you could just look for yourself

>> No.56694563

>>56694526
DRS is a 4 of in 40% of decks

>> No.56694568

>>56694526
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=17646&d=309291&f=LE

Were you trying to prove me right?

>> No.56694627

>>56694568
Only 1 of those decks has DRS in it.

>>56694563
I didnt say DRS wasnt played. Its the best green card

>> No.56694651

>>56694627
I mean black card

>> No.56694699

>>56694627
>Only 1 of those decks has DRS in it.
I clicked a random deck on your link that didn't have anything to do with DRS, and it splashed black AND green for nothing more than 4x DRS in the mainboard. There is much more DRS in Legacy than I think you're willing to admit now that Miracles can't keep him in check.

>> No.56694858

>>56694699
No, you clicked on a UR delver list that is somewhere between regular UR delver and regular Grixis Delver

>> No.56694875

>>56694699
>>56694858
In fact its just really grixis delver

>> No.56694934

>>56694875
>>56694858
I clicked a deck that should have nothing to do with DRS, and there's 4 DRS in the mainboard. Like seriously how can you not just accept that DRS is just too good for Legacy at the moment.

>> No.56694970

>>56694934
No, you clicked on a mislabeled deck.

>> No.56694999

>>56694970
>>56694934
show the link to the deck then

>> No.56695020

>>56694999
he did it

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=17646&d=309291&f=LE

>> No.56695035

>>56693391
Which is why it’s good for me, as a boggles deck, ya fuckwit.

>> No.56696115

>>56694934
Mtgtop8 has shit deck nomenclature, the deck you clicked on was a fairly typical Grixis delver list. If you knew anything about legacy at all you'd know that list doesn't look anything like a UR delver list.

>> No.56696426

>>56696413
>>56696413

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