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Previously: >>56604098

>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their decks strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commanders color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

CARD SEARCH

>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/

>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
http://magiccards.info/

>Thread question
How does your playgroup see you and how do you see the people in your playgroup?

>> No.56620929

I want to build an orzovvl deck, but I'm not sure what way to go with it? What's something fun that can still hold its own at table? Are clerics decent? Kembal stax? Or pure life drain? In my group we all usually play with at least one combo to be able to close out games. Let me know what you guys think.

>> No.56620940

>>56620788
>How does your playgroup see you and how do you see the people in your playgroup?
We don't anymore.
Anyways, there's two others. I'm seen as the person who half the time builds cancer and half the time builds jank, and nobody knows how to react until after facing a new deck for the first time. Engineer guy is pretty cool; CS guy acts like he's an idiot, but his decks are probably the most refined out of the group. He switches deck the least, and spends years refining them. He loves ramp and tribal, and is pretty good at flying under the radar before dropping a huge power play. CS guy can be cool sometimes, but he spergs out over the smallest things. When he wins, he gloats for a good half-hour, and when he loses, he mopes for just about as long. It takes a very specific set of circumstances for him to be chill, but when he is, he's pretty good to be around. He loves red combo decks, but hates storm and tutors. He takes apart a deck any time people focus him while he's playing it.

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Let it be known (if it wasn't already) that ultimate guard's precise-fit sleeves are garbage

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>>56620929
Try this guy. Put a bunch of different life gain effects in your deck and then either exile all of your opponent's problem creatures or make Karlov unblockable and take a player out of the game. Exquisite Blood/ Sanguine Bond fits with the deck theme as well as being a game ending combo.

>> No.56621322

>>56620788
>Casual format where you could play the cards you want
>Casual autist complains because they cannot win to your deck
>Sore losers that ban infinite combos and mld
Yeah sure, such and open and inviting format

>> No.56621339

>>56620788
It depends on who you ask

The casual players think I choose one person and hate them out of the game. (Not true at all I just play aggressive decks and have proper threat assessment)

The local retard calls all of my decks stupid and broken (I play doran lmao)

The competitive players think I play gimmick decks that sometimes can squeeze out wins if they focus eachother too hard (this is the most true).

The way I see them is

The casual players are okay dudes but really bad at making decisions if they haven't run the deck dozens of times beforehand

The local retard is a retard that plays barely altered precons then bitches about the powerlevel of everyone else

The competitive players are also cool dudes but spend way too much money on this game and are sometimes pretty unfun to play with

>> No.56621378

>>56621178
ultimate guard sucks in general. their satan tower knock off is the only good thing they make and its over priced

>> No.56621416

>>56620788
Best token waifu

>> No.56621456

>>56621322

EDH is pretty awful as a pick up and play game. It really requires a group of people to understand each other to be fun. Else it always devolved into a nuclear arms race, which plagues casual groups as well. I fix this by having 4 decks with me at all times. They're all tuned to have play against each other, so it's fun. the problems usually come up when you play against new people who don't understand each other. Everyone wants to do something different. In my playgroup we don't like durdling forever. So all of our decks have some kind of infinite combo to close out the game. It applies pressure and makes the games interactive. But that's our play group, others may differ.

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>>56621416
How can one man be so wrong?

>> No.56621511

>>56621322
>casual format
>play mld
the real autism was inside you all along

>> No.56621516

>>56621378
they're the guys that make the fake leather deck boxes with a magnetic closing? those are pretty good

>> No.56621571
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>>56620788
>thread question
They see me as a threat, no matter what deck I play, or what stage of the game. Sometimes their decision making gets paralyzed by fear of what answers I may have, sometimes they try to take me out at all costs (like, leaving themselves wide open in a 6 man game every single turn, using everything they have on me). My decks aren't even that good, they just have cohesion.

It's kinda funny how the deck I put the most time and effort into has been performing worse than some of the ones I threw together with minimal effort.

Pic is my main squeeze right now, the deck sorely needs cabal coffers, other that that and some other goodstuffs, It runs fabulously

>> No.56621630

>>56621571
We have a guy like you, but he really does have sick decks and is very good at politics. He's the only person who can convince me they aren't the threat, even though every time I sit down with him I know he needs to die asap

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>>56621516
You mean these? Ultra Pro makes them.

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>>56621829
was talking about these, apparently they hold up better than the ultra pro ones

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>>56620788
>How does your playgroup see you?
I'm the guy in the group who plays weird jank to them, but somehow makes it work coherently and win often. That's what they tell me at least.

>> No.56622254

Post your favorite MLD, /edhg/.

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>>56620788
>How does your playgroup see you and how do you see the people in your playgroup?
The guy who wins a lot and typically needs to die ASAP. I don't even play anything competitive, I mostly just play decks that tend to get out of hand in the late game, like Kruphix and Atarka.
The only reason I ever make it to that point most of the time is because I'm good at politics and my board is usually non-threatening until it's too late.

>> No.56622332

>>56620788
they see me as usually the biggest threat with the most powerful at the deck, but i dont think my decks are all that strong i dont even run infinite combos

>> No.56622347

>>56620788
>How does your playgroup see you and how do you see the people in your playgroup?
I don't have a consistent group anymore, so not well, I guess. We just sorta fell apart as people developed lives and schedules no longer worked together.

>> No.56622400

>>56622300
>my board is usually non-threatening until it's too late.
That's the exact opposite of the problem my Krenko deck has. My board always looks threatening even if it isn't really.

>> No.56622440

>how does your playgroup see you

They see me as an idiot who always does sub-optimal plays. The reality is I do those things, however I ham up my misplays alot to make them think I'm stupid. If I played optimally the games would end too quick and they wouldn't be any fun.

>> No.56622884

>>56622254
natural affinity

>> No.56622910

>>56622254
Jolrael

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My playgroup sees me as the threat because i almost always play black and they hate having their creatures killed. I see them as a bunch of babies who instead of fighting fire with fire, they quit or refuse to play me. Thank god im moving soon

>> No.56622958

>>56622254
I love Kamahl. I used to play a Savra deck, which did mad work, and mostly I was satisfied with Kamahl and Night of souls betrayal setup, but Kamahl works extremely well as a wrath protection too

>> No.56622993

>>56622254
Volcanic Awakening/Temporal Fissure

>> No.56623094
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>>56620788
>thread question
I'm not entirely sure on the 2 new guys but the rest see me as competitive, cutthroat, or just a good target for bojuka bog over anyone else and I see them all as tryhards especially after the one gloated about having 15 EDH decks and all of them having 2-3 infinite combos, thankfully he's moving in a few months and I doubt I'll miss him
>>56622254
Jokulhaups, would be Worldfire if Sheldon didn't hate fun

>> No.56623249

Is Naya objectively the best color combination for FFA casual EDH because you have access to the best ramp and the best removal?

Decimate, Hull Breach, Sylvan Reclamation, Krosan Grip, Return to Dust, Swords/Path

>> No.56623351

>>56623249
Bant or sultai is better.

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>>56623249
Bant gives you access to universal answers.

>> No.56623379

>>56623351
>>56623249
Mardu. You have access to white's boardwipes, red's artifact removal and hate cards, and black's suite of removal, ramp, card advantage, and value cards.

>> No.56623458

>>56623351
This is correct. Simic is the strongest two color combo by far, then white or black both can cover what it lacks, which is creature removal.

>> No.56623460

>>56623249
bant and grixis are better imo

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56623516

So I went back to check the archives for responses to this and some people had helpfully pointed out that the combo was missing something. Also a couple didn't seem to get that it's supposed to be stupid? Whatever

>> No.56623543

>>56623249
Bant or Abzan are the best.
>green for ramp and unconditional recursion
>white for superior board wipes
>black for card draw and unconditional tutors or blue for card draw and counterspells

Just kidding, Sultai is actually the best. The combination of Golgari and Dimir causes obnoxious levels of tutor and graveyard degeneracy, and you can easily make up for lack of white with Damnation, Pernicious Deed, Gaze of Granite, All is Dust etc.

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>>56620788
>Thread question
Janko Fett, I'll bring some weird and shiny tricks to the table but usually I'm just fodder for stronger decks.

I pulled the Green and White Praetors + Genesis Wave and Hydra from Iconic Masters, and now I'm pretty much obligated to build some kind of green deck. I also bought the Planeschase big box, so the Thromax devour deck is also gravitating towards whatever green monster I end up trying to assemble.

Right now I'm only playing a BU-Silumgar steal shit jank and a slightly upgraded Eddy Markov vampire deck. Any thoughts on what to look at with the Green pieces I've landed already?

>> No.56623707

>>56622254
Ruination, the classic

>> No.56623770

>>56620788
My playgroup hates me because I orchestrate the competitive level. I am by no means a spike, just slightly better than them.
>Zedruu

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How fragile is smoke stacks + Sundial? I can't find an Orochi Hatchery so I'm looking for a stand-in until I can, and I guess sundial is my best bet

>> No.56623797

>>56622254
Jolrael, Empress of Beast

>> No.56623804

So if I untap 5 creatures with mesmeric orb on the board and mill 5 creatures from that does sidisi trigger 5 times or 1 time

>> No.56623817
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So my group has been giving me alot of shit for playing Kaervek and I get targeted most games because "Its too oppresive" even though its slow as fuck and quite shitty wincons. Are there any upgrades I could swap in or should I just switch to Rakdos and buy as many eldrazi as I can?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-rakdos-tax-collector/

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>>56622254

>> No.56623869

>>56623817
Sounds like they'll be butthurt no matter what you play, unless you run something completely noninteractive with no major wincons.
So you have the average EDH group.

>> No.56624072

Anyone here play Cockatrice? I could play with /r/EDH but, you know.

>> No.56624087

>>56623707
My man.

>> No.56624214

>>56624072
I use cockatrice and I know some people in the discord do sometimes

>> No.56624924

>>56623460
>Grixis

You have Unstable Obelisk & Chaos Warp & Steal Enchantment.

Spine of Ish Sah, and I guess Scour?

Shit taste anon.

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>>56620788
>just cracked a mana drain in an Iconic Masters draft
>didn't even play it because everyone passed me a bunch of mind wrench and I just fucked people with eternal thirst and balustrade spies
Holy fuck on toast, how do I use this crazy thing? Should I just sell it?

>> No.56625094

>>56625049
Sell it and buy fun cards or cards with more impact

>> No.56625142
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how is she as a commander? how would you build her?

>> No.56625146

>>56625049
I mean you could, but this is the only format it sees real play in, and it's not going to be this cheap again for a long time.

If you are a poorfag sell it, otherwise play with it while sitting on it. It will be much more in a few years, make the call then.

>> No.56625148

>>56625094
Like what?

I mean just jamming it into Kruphix seems like a good play.

>> No.56625157

What's the go to combo control edh deck?

Coming from Modern.

>> No.56625224

>>56622254
Kamahl

>> No.56625253

>>56625157
Not an easy question.

What kind of combos do you enjoy, and what type of control do you prefer? My gut says Sharrum or something.

>> No.56625283

>>56625148
It's a strictly better Counterspell so just jamming it into literally any blue deck is a good idea, but I would much rather have 5 cards worth $10 each that have high impact and make me smile when I draw/cast them than 1 card worth $50 that's just a cheaper Plasm Capture.

>> No.56625343

>>56625157
you can build combo control in every color combo in EDH. Obviously UW(B) is the best at it but everything works in 100 card singleton

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sheldon comes to you and says "hey, we can only ban one of these three big green fatties, which one should it be?"

what do you pick?

>> No.56625510

>>56625253
Splintertwin-y stuff usually.

>>56625343
Which would you recommend for medium group hate?

>> No.56625513

>>56625421
kleep prime time banned

>> No.56625550

I'm doin it lads, I'm gonna tear down Volrath and build Chainer

Wish me luck

>> No.56625559

>>56625421
Definitely primetime. Hulk is barely a problem, vorinclex is laughable, but primetime is genuinely degenerate.

>> No.56625581

>>56625421
Right needs to be explicitly broken through deck building, only provides decent value in any other situation.
Left provides a lot of value, but the value is ultimately temporary.
Middle completely ruins any meta with clones, reanimation, Bribery and becomes even worse with Gaea's Cradle, Cabal Coffers and many others. Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

>> No.56625590

>>56625550
volrath is fuckign based though, why would you do that?

>> No.56625610

>>56625590
He's super one-note

>> No.56625636

>>56625610
but its so much fun

>> No.56625685

>>56625636
It's fun, but you really only have one trick. Once you plug someone with a fuckhuge Volrath, you're out of tricks, and if Volrath leaves the table too often you're fucked

>> No.56625846

>>56625421
>Vorinclex
haha what?
>Primetime
obviously keep it banned.
>Prot Hulk
I could see banning it, but as far as I can tell it hasn't become an autoinclude in every deck that runs green.

>> No.56625883

>>56625510
>Which would you recommend for medium group hate?
Jund, group slug is powerful but not quite as tier 1 as straight control/stax

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>>56625510
>Splintertwin-y stuff usually.
Literally just play Grixis twin with a bunch of tutors for your combo and counter and kill spells for control. Try Sedris or Marchesa for recursion.

>> No.56626013

>>56622400
Do you use a token card for every goblin or dice to denote how many you have?
The former is intimidating

>> No.56626266
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>>56625421
our buddy opened titan and asked if he could play it. we agreed but only if he fetched basic lands. a couple of the guys in the group didnt think the card was that big of a deal "its only just a creature"

he took it out after 2 games with everyone agreeing it should stay banned, and thats with fetching basic lands.

>> No.56626283

Why does every deck I build end up revolving around artifacts?

Silas Renn, Daretti, even my Ydris deck is artifact-based strangely enough.

>> No.56626296

>>56626283
yidris list?

>> No.56626319

>>56626283
Build something that is impossible to make that way. Mayael?

>> No.56626398

>>56626296
https://deckstats.net/deck-14605057-36476ac54a42a4a06eb9b3ac842e6fe8.html

It looks like complete jank but it works ridiculously well in non-cEDH and honestly I don't need to use Ydris but obviously he's super good so he helps. He's mostly for the colors, I already have Vial Smasher / Thrasios so I decided to use him instead of partners.

Can get like 30 clues/treasures/gold etc out and just do ridiculous things with them. Add to that Rashmi, Sunbird's Invocation, Mind's Dilation & Ydris, and you have some seriously ridiculous shit going on, and tons of different wincons. Mechanized Productions, Revel in Riches, Ghirapur Aether Grid, Hellkite Tyrant, Hellkite Igniter.

>> No.56626413

>>56626398
Also it's budget ($75) could be a lot better with another $100 in new Vraska, Doubling Season, etc etc

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>>56625421
>group makes its own ban list
>doesn't put Prime Time on
>build Roon
heh, nothin personell

>> No.56626484

>>56626266
But it dies to removal bro

>> No.56626485

PSA: I've been noticing that when I use tappedout to get deck lists, unless I explicitly export it, it uses a version of the deck a few changes behind.

I accidentally bought a few cards I didn't need and didn't buy a few cards I needed the other day because of this.

>> No.56626754

What are some good life gain cards in mono-black? I'm gonna try some kind of suicide build (dunno the general yet) and I need some good ways to get more life so I can pay for shit

>> No.56626759

Does anyone use Garruk Relentless? He doesn't seem that bad, being able to ping off a small creature to flip. And as long as he comes back around to you, he can tutor up a creature.

>> No.56626782

>>56626754
G A R Y

>> No.56626797
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>>56626754
Exsanguinate
Whip of Erebos
Gary
Extort creatures
Sangromancer
Sorin's Vengeance
Sanguine Bond
Exquisite Blood
Blood Artist

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>>56626797
>>56626754
Oh, I almost forgot this dude

>> No.56626829

Man, why the fuck is the new FTV not on amazon? That's the weirdest shit.

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>>56626759
I want one to maybe one day be able to use his ultimate in my Jarad deck

>> No.56626847

>>56620929
Vampires as a tribe can hit pretty hard. Mono black has problems with sweepers that I feel white can do wonders to solve, Vona from Ixalan or Vish Kal could serve as commanders for that, and Vish Kal himself is a pretty decent combo-goodstuff leader.

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thank you to the m8 who explained mikaeus to me

>> No.56627055

My autism compels me to only get decks in sets of three with each set completing the color pie. Do I get Teysa, Orzhov Scion, Talrand, Borborygmos Enraged, or do I get Teysa, Orzhov Scion, Ezuri, Niv-Mizzet the Firemind?

>> No.56627066

>>56626759
>as long as he comes back around to you
>implying that will ever happen

>> No.56627096

>>56627066
Yeah, but that's the same with any walker, really.

>> No.56627190

>>56627096
Which is why you only want planeswalkers that pay for themselves with one activation and any further activation is icing on the cake, such as Dack Fayden, Tezzeret the Seeker, Tamiyo, the Moon Sage etc.

>> No.56627265

>>56620788
So... not exactly commander related, but you guys helped me in the past.. i was planning to do some introdutory decks to magic. The idea is that they will all be not only balanced, but show everything a certain color is about as completely as possible; for example: red will have dragons, damage, artifact destruction and at least one wheel effect, with enough discard/draw cards to give a notion of how fast red has to be.

But now i'm having some issues with blue. I mean, it counters, it draws some cards, it has some big creatures.. but how does it Actually wins? i mean, in a way that you don't just steal everyone's creatures.

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>>56626754

>> No.56627390

>>56627265
Blue can also be about bouncing threat back to their owner's hands and using evasive guys (be it flying or unblockable) to hit the opponent.

>> No.56627473

>>56626013
I'm going to use tokens (I just ordered 20 or so of the Karl Kopinski ones) but I usually use dice. The issue is when I put a bunch of unrelated enablers on the board because they're all I have and people think I'm about to go off even when I'm not.

>> No.56627490

So, which of the planeswalker deck planeswalker/tutor/garbage creature combo is worth it in the average edh deck(in those colors)?

>> No.56627685

>>56627390
>bouncing threat back to their owner's hands and using evasive guys
Sounds underwhelming and boring, but unblockable is indeed a blue thing. I was thinking about trying to get your opponent decked or something, making his entire deck go to the graveyard. There's plenty of blue support for that, i believe.

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>>56622254
One of the few cards that I welcomed getting updated with the new Split Card CMC rules

>> No.56628459

>>56623516
It's not that it's stupid, it's that it didn't work without a haste enabler

>> No.56628742

>>56620788
>How does your playgroup see you and how do you see the people in your playgroup?

I'm the biggest threat and therefore receive most of the hate. If there are several people who are open and could take a free hit, I get it every time. Doesn't bug me unless someone just isn't thinking and is hitting me because they still think I'm the main threat when another guy is clearly going off.

One guy is a bit of a dope. Makes stupid plays and doesn't update his decks often enough. He could make them really powerful with his collection, he just enjoys playing more than deckbuilding.

Another guy is a tryhard but has no imagination so just netdecks and never deviates. Doesn't understand the value of things like card draw and will mysteriously use cards just after he's seen me use them well. He spends the most money and gets the most salty when he loses, especially when he's brought in a new deck he just spent all kinds of money on.

The other guy is quiet but definitely the best of us at this game. Got us into it, kinda. Doesn't have completely unique decks (and to be fair, neither do the rest of us) but squeezes every ounce of value out of every card. You really don't know how he'll win. I manage to get him using politics mostly. Manages to fly under the radar a lot which is probably his biggest strength. Not an insult

>> No.56628900
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>My hidetsugu deck finally wins with a t1 sol ring into t2 treasonous ogre

Truly a good feel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llyiQ4I-mcQ

>> No.56629109

>>56620788
Im always the main threat unless im mana fucked. My decks arent tryhard but they are well built and can go off. Just gisa+geralf zombies and artifacts sen triplets.

As for my group its pretty small, all good friends.
>One guy who only plays karametra good stuff. Chill guy but by the 27th basic forest search im kinda pissed.
>guy who has like 20 decks, has a hard on for gruul. King of do nothing 95% of the game then combo off.
>guy who becomes archenemy within .03 seconds of game start and we usually end up murder/suiciding each other pretty quick. 99% of gruul dudes wins result from this.

Only gripe is I never get to actually cast sen triplets anymore cause God forbid i steal one basic mountain, i will never hear the end of it.

>> No.56629192

>>56628900
Nice. Did the big boss Ogre have haste?

>> No.56629229
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>>56628900
>playing kruphix and locust god with my feldon
>everyone ramps super hard off a tempt with discovery
>slap down winter orb before people can untap
>everyone's fucked but me
>they throw out a few rocks, but there's no way to stop my tide of death
>shit out a blightsteel off shifting shadow with flameshadow conjuring and ogre battledriver out so they both get haste
>play furnace of raath
Monored is truly the patrician's choice, comrade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

>> No.56629300

>>56629192
Yep! Crimson Wisps and then Insult//Injury

>> No.56629309

>>56627045
No problem lad, was on break and saw some splainin to do.

>> No.56629380

>>56629229
Amen brother, we must teach the puny blue wizard who's boss

>> No.56629416
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I did a Iconic Master Phantom Draft with my friends, and these were the good pulls. I'm pretty happy, given I am going to be using most of this stuff.

>> No.56629431

>>56629300
Super dank

>> No.56629528

>>56629416
>went to two drafts and bought 6 packs
>cracked a foil ancestral visions at the first draft, a mana drain at the second draft
>thoughtsieze magus of the moon yosei kokusho channel and thundermaw hellkite
I've been pretty hype about this set so far, honestly it seems like a sleeper.

>> No.56629545

>>56620788
I play Grixis Chaos so I'm either the fun trickster or literally Satan himself.
Everyone is fairly standard in terms of what they play and how they play it except for two. One is too focused on being a tryhard and minmaxing his deck to have fun with anything that doesn't involve winning and the other just does whatever he feels like, such as triggering Child of Alara 5 times in a single game. Not particularly bad things but simply how it goes.

>> No.56629719

Asked in judge thread, didn't get a response maybe a kind edhg Anon can help!

Does wort the raidmother allow you to conspire spells cast by goblin dark dwellers?

>> No.56629767

>>56629719
Yes. You pay the conspire cost as a spell is being cast,e.g. from Goblin Dark Dwellers

>> No.56629855

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/25-11-17-avacyns-angels/

Can anyone help me out with this? Im relatively new to the game, only about 6 monthes in and I have the least experience with white.

Feels like theres too many boardwipes and too many mana catchup cards like Knight of the White Orchid and Gift of Estates.

>> No.56629895

>just pushed out a hard victory with someone's skullbriar deck they posted here
fun as fuck dude

>> No.56629910
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Where can I reliably buy chinaman proxies? I've been looking and it seems like wizards are taking the sellers down more aggressively as of late.

>> No.56629937

>>56620788
>Thread question
most of the time they either kill me first or regret not killing me later on, and don't trust me when i ask the to "be cool" . they're a good play group though some of the newer players (2) treat Sheppard of rot as a priority even if its the only zombie on the field

>> No.56630201

>>56629855
What other decks are in your meta?

>> No.56630236

>>56627265
Psychosis Crawler.

If you want it all over include some blue artifact love, and some blue control elements-- bounce 'n counter.

>> No.56630265

>>56630201

Edgar Tribal Vamps
Blue/White Sygg Tribal Merfolk
Inalla Wizard Tribal (Sometimes Kess)

I just want the deck good/decent for "all around" play, then I can tinker with it depending on playgroup.

>> No.56630271

>>56627265

Labaratory Maniac + draw your whole deck

in commander, use something like Talrand or Docent of Perfection to generate an army with your durdly nonsense

>> No.56630277

>>56620788
>Thread question
They know that I generally have the most potent decks and will gun for me early, until someone else builds up a huge board (they're all Timmies).

>> No.56630284

Does anyone run a degenerate monoblack discard list I can take a look at?

I just want to run a bunch of things like Megrim, Shrieking Affliction, Waste Not, and Liliana's Caress, then make everyone discard a million cards with some sort of sacrifice package. How many discard cards should I run, before they're just going to be dead draws? I was thinking Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis would be perfect for this sort of deck.

>> No.56630346

>>56621920
Can confirm, solid box

>> No.56630378

>>56630265
On the mana side of things:
Knight of the White Orchid and Land Tax are excellent. I'd suggest adding Tithe as well because your commander has a huge cmc. I'd recommend cutting all the mana rocks that enter the battlefield tapped. Replace them with mana rocks like Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone & Thought Vessel. Same goes for lands that enter the battlefield tapped. If you're feeling spendy, Ancient Tomb would be a good addition as well

>> No.56630381

>>56620788
Grixisfag here, I had to type up a few of my decks. Submitted for critique and suggestions:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/scion-necromancer-dragons-voltron/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-scarab-god-ub-control-mill/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kess-mad-science-spellslinger-card-draw/

>> No.56630425

>>56630378

Anything you'd straight up cut? Im still about 5-6 cards over.

>> No.56630475

Anyone got an 8.5 list they can drop on me?

>> No.56630575
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56630575

Is Forbid worth running in Scarab God? I already got Swan Song, Rewind, Spell Swindle, Disallow and Ulamog’s Nullifier as my counter-package

>> No.56630667

>>56630575
It depends on how you're running the deck. I'd rather run something like Psychic Strike, personally, but I run a UB control build that's made to win off of other people's cards more often than its own.

>> No.56630705

>>56630667
Milling 2 cards is a tad little IMO, there’s the card from the first Ravnica block that mills equal to the countered spell’s CMC

>> No.56630753

>>56630705
They're both perfectly playable, especially if someone's been playing around with vampiric tutors / scroll rack / sylvan library / etc.

>> No.56630759

>>56630425
Sigarda's Aid doesn't seem very good (how much equipment do you have?) Angelic Skirmisher doesn't seem worth it for 6.

Blinding Angel might be a good addition.

>> No.56630784

>>56621511
First deck I ever build was chock full of MLD

My group was surprisingly OK with it

>> No.56630827
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Why in the world is foil Selvala, Heart of the Wilds 60 fucking dollars I could almost see the 15 dollar price of the non foil but it's 4x as much? It literally only see play in commander

>> No.56630866

>>56621511
>Play a totally normal card
>Some guy totally spergs out
>Has the gall to call someone else autistic
W E W

>> No.56630947

>>56621511
>format that allows almost any printed card to be played
>WAHH DON'T PLAY THESE CARDS
Point and laugh.

>> No.56631096

(you)

>> No.56631145

thanks

>> No.56631360

>>56630827
conspiracy has a reputation for really nice foils. Also selvala is a meme waifu so that drives up the price even more.

>> No.56631472

>>56629855
You can take a peek at my Avvy deck if you like.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/avacyns-angels-2017/

>> No.56631676
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56631676

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/church-of-avacyn-counter-spam/

Just made a new Angels/Soldiers token spam deck I need help with.

>> No.56631698

I'm looking for a fun toolboxy kind of deck, anyone got any suggestions?

>> No.56631737

>>56631698
Yisan, Momir Vig, or Scion of the Ur-Dragon!

>> No.56632146

Looking to get back into the game after selling/giving away most of my cards a few years ago. I have a few staples left like Sol Ring, but should I just buy one of the Commander prebuilt decks? I don't particularly like tribal, but some of them like the Wizard precon have some cards I'd like to use/have

>> No.56632188

>>56630284
I run Chainer with a discard package to help fill graveyards. It hasn't fully fired in the 5 games I've played, but enough of it comes out to make me the ire of my group. Cards like Painful Quandary and Oppression are very useful for this kind of build. And the black enchantment that gives your creatures the Specter ability.

>> No.56632202

>>56632146

See if you can find one of the older years decks online if you dont like tribal. I personally think most of them are more interesting.

>> No.56632224

>>56631737
Momir Vig seems neat, thanks

>> No.56632284
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>>56632146
The pre-cons give you an okay jumping-in point and if they have lots of cards you need and you think you'll enjoy them, go for it.
Otherwise I'd find a commander you want to run and build them from the ground up. edhrec can be very helpful for finding a commander you like, what staple cards any given commander deck runs, and it displays the prices of everything so you can work within your budget.

Also, welcome back to Magic anon!

>> No.56632365

>>56632146
A few of the pre-cons have commanders that don't explicitly have to be built tribally, and are in fact better that way.

An example would be Taigam- both versions(White-blue from Dragons, blue-black from Wizards) lend themselves even better to spells-oriented decks than they would to either tribal strategy. Ramos (Dragons) would be an excellent commander for just about any 5c deck, and Kess(Wizards) is my favorite spellslinger deck. Mairsil(Wizards) can produce some fun, janky combos for the whole family to enjoy (or cry about).

>> No.56633072

>>56623779
Skipping your turn doesn't seem worthwhile. I'd just fight through it with tokens. Tireless Tracker and Loam/Crucible lets you truck through a Smokestack on 2 with minimal effort. At 3+ you really need Elspeth or something to be completely unhindered.

Smokestack, even if it's just on 2 or 3, doesn't take long to cripple the rest of the table, especially if they're under a Tangle Wire or Winter Orb too.

What colors are you in?

>> No.56633708

Not expressly EDH, but need some MTG advice. Does anyone here have any experience with selling cards on sites like eBay? Ive come into alot of stuff recently from a relative Im looking to sell, most of it in the 5-20 dollar range, and some playsets that can net around 7-10. Ive read up on fees and the like and its nearly the same as TCGPlayer.
My only question is dealing with tracking. Ive heard 100 times over that I have to pony up for delivery confirmation or Im going to get scammed. Yet every time Ive bought singles or playsets off TCG/eBay theyve come in basic bitch white envelopes with no tracking. Ive also sold a handful without tracking on eBay without any issue. Am I missing something here? Whats the point of selling a 5-10 dollar playset if tracking will cost me 3 dollars.

>> No.56633736

>>56633708
Welcome to the market!
Also it may be easier, if not as smart, to just sell stuff to a big buyer.
Or maybe try sell locally?

>> No.56633749

>>56633736

Honestly the LGS here dont give very good prices and for the time being Id rather have the cash, so Id get even less for anything Id sell.

>> No.56633796

>>56633708
If you actually regularly play magic you could also just sell your cards to other players. I always take my card album with me when I go to EDH night and often enough people just buy the cards from me.

>> No.56634304
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56634304

how does one make pic related not suck?
I play in a very high power group and we're brainstorming on how to make him less shit. The decks we've all tried so far have a lot of spot removal and never really run out of cards.
Our ideas so far:
>give him +1 attack and make his body relevant through evasion
>add stax effects or other countermeasures to combat all the broken UGx shenanigans
>add instant speed x costing burn to cast EoT before own turn when nothing needs to be removed

The deck has no problem removing singular large threats but it cant deal with constant refills and more threat dumps.
If it matters the major decks for Scorp to beat are Scarab, Riku, and my Yidris

>> No.56634323

>>56620788
in my high power group we all get along well and we play good decks and good magic

in my scrub group I try to get along but I feel like the others resent me for always having access to a vast card pool

in my home group we all ironically hate each other, its great. games boil down to slamming massive threat after threat

>> No.56634355

>>56634304
My friend runs it with loads of -1/-1 counter generation and persist. It's good because it bypasses indestructable and two decks my other friends run are full of it, one through creatures and on through equipment.
He does alright with it but our playgroup is pretty low power.

>> No.56634360
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What is your favorite reanimation target? This guy never lets me down

>> No.56634366

>>56622254
Epicenter

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56634381

It's either Eternal Witness or Acidic Slime for me. I run a pretty weak Meren deck and people always get sad when their £10+ get fucked by my boys coming back.

>> No.56634387

>>56625142
Kor tribal
Big stupid equipment
Mass creature destruction, mass land destruction, oblivion ring Nahiri -> planar cleansing and armageddon

>> No.56634404

I need a new deck, with an idea that isnt powered by some established shell such as artifact core or UG core.
Was thinking of refining my old lands.dec

>>56634355
we considered that but theres never that much on board, unless someone goes off in which case scorp cant ever interact cause wraths are sorceries which is why we each play like, less than one wrath per deck on average . Sudden spoiling is good then, as is decree of pain cycled
>>56634360
jin t2

>> No.56634459

>>56634381
meant for >>56634360

>> No.56634730

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lands-dec/

brew I came up with after brainstorming and being awake 30+ hrs.

I cut all the good cards for bad ones. I need to improve the consistency of finding manlands/draw, and the 1cmc green ramp enchantments without sacrificing on interaction

>> No.56634791
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>>56634360
I've recently taken a liking to this guy. Pretty fun to continuously reanimate with Marchesa and I like that it has different modes.

>> No.56634835

>>56634791
I also run that card in Marchesa. The creature type being good is phenomenal. Using him with sage of Fables, metallic mimic or dirty Mike is back breaking and a possible game ender.

>> No.56634890

>>56634791
My friend always doubles this with Inalla and gets sad when I remind him the tokens are exiled and never "die".

>> No.56634901

>>56634890
go make your friend happy by reminding him that tokens still touch the graveyard before they're exiled if they're destroyed

>> No.56634927
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>>56634901
I mean the end of turn trigger with Inalla doesn't proc the "when Vindictive Lich dies" ability as the token is directly exiled at the beginning of the end step.

>> No.56634947

>>56634927
oh okay my bad

>> No.56635135

>>56634927
>>56634890

Dumb Question, does Grixis Marchesa able to revive those tokens if Sage of Fables or something similar is on the field on that end step?

>> No.56635152

Is it possible to make a meme Izzet deck that revolves around you never ending your turn?

>> No.56635199
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>>56635135
When tokens die they hit the GY temporarily then are exiled, you wouldn't be able to return tokens to play with Marchesa.
In terms of the Inalla end step trigger, the tokens are exiled at the start of the end step and therefore never "die".

>> No.56635204

>>56631360
>conspiracy has a reputation for really nice foils
Bullshit
C1 had the most subtle "wait this card is a foil" style foils out there
Find a foil gw selvala and tell me you can tell the difference
Same with rb grenzo
Same with marchesa
The actually conspiracies weren't terrible but the playables were awful

Also
>Tfw your waifu is a whorefu

>> No.56635434

>>Thread question
>How does your playgroup see you and how do you see the people in your playgroup?

>>Thread question
>How does your playgroup see you and how do you see the people in your playgroup?
I'm the eternal challenger that put political pressure at the table because i know almost every synergies of the deck i'm facing, i draw hate eventually for that matter..
Also am the only mono black player and the experimental deckbuilder of the group so i Can go under the radar pretty often in middle game.
Eventually i got the most mana death any player would'nt want at every single worst moment, like 5 cards starting hand is pretty casual for me although my decks are pretty standard regarding Land count (around 38 lands).
Regarding my playgroup (8 edh players that started together 6 years ago)
Player 1 is the best deckbuilder i know, started with marath i think. Plays lot of goodstuff and manarock. Playing maelstrom wanderer goodstuff and kruphix with drazis and extraturn, often the biggest threat and my favorite target.
Player 2 is good control. Playing karador combo or edric flyers with success
.

>> No.56635444

>>56635434
Player 3 is best mate, nuclear ingeneer that Always played and Plays artifact so very funny decks. Now playing depala, SRAM or breya.
Player 4 is Big mouth mate, Always bragging like : draw first card of each turn "aww.. i won!"
Built most of his deck out of decklists from edhrec or mtgtop8(when we played 1v1) so doesn't play his decks well. Owns the ur-dragon, proshh, meren and oloro cancer.
Player 5 is typical secure player that get bored when not playing his turn (fucking long to play). The most stoned person i met that play the most secure decks like trotrani huge lifegain or rhys token.
Player 6 is special Guy that smoke weed every breath and get bored while not playing an whining at every other player for them to play too slow. Special jank decks, like nekusar or ultra aggro krenko.
Player 7 is tribal Guy, not good at deckbuilding but set the fun level to a maximum level at the table. Owns elfball and sigarda Angel tribal
Player 8 is player 1 Lil brother, use to play standard competively so good player with A- deckbuilding skills, owns teysa dark apostle deck.
At this level, every one is feared by the table once in a while, every body get a chance to win once in a while eventhough player 1 and 2 win with a higher rate than the rest of us

>> No.56635520

>>56635135
Tokens cannot be reanimated..ever. but regeneration is ok

>> No.56635536

>>56635152
Storm is the closest build that Can fit to what you look for

>> No.56635548

>>56634360
Fleshbag marauder is kind of sexy

>> No.56635636

>>56635152
could just build extra turns in mizzix or add white and do the same with narset

>> No.56635647

>>56635152
Yea but nobody wants to play against takingturns.dec

It's why I made my mizzex mostly just x-spells tribal.

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>>56635647
>>56635636
>>56635536
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/never-ending-turn-izzet/

Rate my meme deck.

>> No.56635892

>>56635871
yup just about what I was thinking except with mizzix as commander, will probably have a easier time winning faster/ more consistently

>> No.56635902

>>56635892
True, I just don't really like his art desu senpai.

>> No.56635912

>>56635902
Ive always wondered why they swap tb/h and fa/m with desu and senpai.

>> No.56635935

>>56635912
To fuck with people tbqh senpai

>> No.56635968

>>56634360
Karmic Guide

>> No.56636030

>>56634304
You don't. He's legitimate garbage. You want a powerful commander, you pick the dimir or izzet versions.

>> No.56636134

>>56635871
Are you allowed to use "Odds" in the deck even though the other part of the card have white?

>> No.56636256

>>56636134
Sadly no. Just as how an Elusive Tormentor can't go in a Maralen of the Mornsong deck.

>> No.56636368

>>56635902
A L T E R
L
T
E
R

>> No.56636413

>>56635902
>his art

Mizzix is a girl goblin.

>> No.56636415

What's this 10% kickback business on TCGPlayer? Do you get an amount of credit on your order?

>> No.56636428

>>56636368
What is this meme?

>> No.56636431

>>56635912
There was a period a few years ago when /tv/ had just discovered Black Twitter and they were using it all the time. Eventually it bled to other boards so the filter was added to discourage people from using it

>> No.56636444

>>56634304
My friend runs him to surprising effect. Blowfly Infestation and Torment of Scarabs are a hell of a drug

>> No.56636715
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56636715

Alright anons, I have all the rocks. I have all the counterspells, and I have all the giant fuck off creatures you could want.

I want to make a monoblue ramp deck, and I know I'm going to get some crazy hate as soon as I drop Mana Crypt or Mana Drain someone into an early Kozilek, but what's the best general for this sort of deck? I was thinking Jin-Jan Augur Man for a nice curve-topper and flash-based locks, but that's going to be very obvious. Vesner seems good because he's removal always in the commandzone, but I'd like to play something that's not immediately obvious as degenerate.

Any tips?

>> No.56636724

I've been looking at spellslinger type commanders. Kess and Thrasios/Vial-Smasher both look pretty cool, who do you guys use for spellslingers?

>> No.56636754

>>56636724
I've been tempted by a creatureless Narset spellslinger feat storm, extra combat, strionic, eye of the storm- if you want to go full bullshit proteus staff + enter infinite omniscience but thats getting you into boring territory as it enters "win same way every game"

>> No.56636755
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56636755

>>56636724
ALL HAIL THE LICH LORD

>> No.56636803

>>56636755
such a cool commander

>> No.56636808
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>>56636715
Or you could just play Jhoira and become the archenemy
It's a good time

>> No.56636813
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Hapatra looks sexy, how fun is she as a commander?

>> No.56636815

>>56636428
Writing something both horizontally and vertically? I don't know, but no post done that way has ever been worth reading.

>> No.56636828

>>56636724
Jeleva's a lot of fun, and gets less hate than Narset.

>> No.56636846

>>56636803
Yeah he's boss. I'm glad people are starting to pick up on him more, that instant speed flashback is insanely good.

>> No.56636890

Fuck, I can't decide on what to build. I've got the deckbuilding bug bad right now

>> No.56636895
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>>56636715
>monoU fatties
>Sun Quan isn't the general

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>kitchen table group has gone full-time D&D
>really, really want to try Sidar Kondo / Silas Renn rainbow ninjas deck idea

>> No.56636995

>>56636925
Your idea sucks

>> No.56637028

>>56636925
Your idea is cool

<3

>> No.56637037

>>56636995
You're cool.

>>56637028
You suck.

>>56636925
I have no strong feelings about your idea.

>> No.56637056 [DELETED] 

>>56636890
yidris is fun as fuck my dude

he goes hard

>> No.56637078

>>56636890
build yidris my dude
he goes really fucking hard

i can conjure up the list i play if you like

>> No.56637092

How do y'all go about trading off cards that are worth $30+ ?

It's difficult for me to find people who can match value at the very least in a few things that I want. Much less finding someone who wants something like an expedition mana confluence and has something of near value, it's getting to be a real hassle

>> No.56637102

>>56636995
Fuck you buddy.

>>56637028
Thank you, buddy.

>> No.56637126

>>56637078
Yidris is okay I guess.

I dunno. Post your list because when I had Yidris built he just kind of vomited the whole deck onto the board. Double strike/extra combats etc.

>>56637092
Don't.

Sit on it for a few years. Expeditions probably won't go down.

Else, Ebay or reduced return from a large vendor.

>> No.56637229
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56637229

Can I get some advice on my Rafiq list? First time doing aggro.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/conceptual-rafiq-edh/

>> No.56637264

>>56637126
In it's case I can probably wait a while, but things like a scarab god for example don't seem like they'll hold for too much longer, people want it but their trades just never add up. I'm not even being that picky, I need things from every color for 4 different decks

>> No.56637274
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56637274

What are y'all's opinions on the best colors to run an enchantress deck?
The obvious build around me commander is Blaxos but then you don't have access to the card advantage from Green enchantress creatures/effects or from the standard run of the mill Blue draw spells.
Selesnya was the traditional color combo with shit like replenish, enchantresses, privileged position and sterling grove but Esper obviously has the powerhouse that is Zur and Zur accessories and access to great Black enchantments like necropotence as well as the entire breadth of propaganda effects.
Junk seems to be a good middle ground with a decent combination of draw, tutor and solid enchantments but lacks a good commander that lends itself to a strategy that isn't tokens or graveyard shit.

>> No.56637294

>>56637264
Mmm. I'd probably just accept being down a dollar or two then. You'll lose far more when he rotates.

Honestly I'd just send in to channelfireball(Vendor of choice) or something and get credit for other cards.

>> No.56637303

>>56637274
You could just run Thrasios and Tymna like any other rational human being.

>> No.56637317

>>56637274
Esper.

Junk is ok.

Selesnya can be pretty good. I run Trostani as as psuedo-token enchant control.

Having crop rotation and serra's sanctum helps.

>> No.56637345

>>56637274
N A R S E T
A
R
S
E
T

>> No.56637378

>>56637274
NAYA. You play Uril Enchantress, get all the cantripping goodness, out, then completely shit on fools who aren't ready for your extended nonsense.

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>>56620788
Heeeey.

So I've lurked around these threads awhile, and recently I met a group of people to play EDH with, finally, so I got the Edgar Markov tribal deal, fleshed it out real nice, and now i'm feeling something new.

Do you guys have any advice for Blue/Red burn for EDH? I've literally never played anything but black/white, with the sole exception of the Vamp Tribal deck, and i'd like to experiment.

I've decided on this guy (unless you all have dif suggestions). I've heard things like Reverberate and such really make this work, being able to re-play the same burn over and over.

Plz help lol.

>> No.56637407

>>56637378
Uril is trite and unfun to pilot.

>> No.56637411

>>56623516
A Thopter Engineer would do wonders for that combo.

>> No.56637432

>>56637303
I already have an atraxa and breya deck, buying a mana base for another is just too much my friend

>>56637317
I was leaning heavily towards esper but apparently someone in my playgroup already had a zur deck in the works so I don't really want to trample on his toes now

>>56637345
>>56637378
The fuck does red even add to enchantment stuff anyway

>> No.56637464

>>56637407
>this guy
Yes and no. If you build the list everyone runs, it's pretty boring, but if you actually make an enchantress deck, it's pretty good.

>>56637432
>The fuck does red even add to enchantment stuff anyway
Many, many things, most notably board wipes that doesn't hit enchantments, but do hit lands, and like 4 different damage doublers.

>> No.56637528

>>56637432
>The fuck does red even add to enchantment stuff anyway
Wild Research, Jokulhaups, cheap repeatable enchantments like Mark of Fury for enchantress effects and Empty Throne.

Probably forgetting lots of other fun stuff I ran in my old Narsetchantress deck, it's been ages.

>> No.56637560

>>56637528
In the same vein as Jokulhaups, I like effects like Razia's Purification. Creature, aura buff and a double land and you're sitting pretty.

>> No.56637587

>ctrl+f
>no skithiryx
why?

>> No.56637612

>>56637587
Because it's been discussed to death. What new stuff can you even do with skittles?

>> No.56637789

My friend is building Scarab God and I know it's going to be a bitch to go up against, especially with my own graveyard deck. What do I use to combat this upcoming menace?

>> No.56637876

>>56621456
I've found that playing lots of removal and attacking early and often prevents the game from turning into a durdlefest better than "no response? alright, I win now"
It's visible pressure and is, well, actual interaction.

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56637973

I NEED COMBOS, MONO BLUE COMBOS

My play group is very Timmy and I want to shake it up. What are.some good combos to use with Tommorrow?

>> No.56638027

>>56637973
not related to tomorrow but my favorite mono blue combo is

mirror mad phantasm +any clone+lab man+anything that draws

>> No.56638032
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I have an idea but I need help for it I want to make The game As Twilight Zone as possible with out just doing straight chaos possibly in Sultai colors.

>> No.56638107

>>56637432
>The fuck does red even add to enchantment stuff anyway
Kills Arcane Lighthouse.

>> No.56638168
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56638168

I'm looking into building a series of 10 extremely low-power commanders for an absolutely idiotic idea that involves combining Pentagram and/or Kingdoms with Planechase, as well as Rivals of Ixalan if there's a way to force that to work with five players.

Because this will naturally be as lolrandumb as an Un-Conspiracy-Pauper cube or some other unholy abomination, I've decided I may try to prebuild decks that are far weaker than usually playable, but still reasonably fun to pilot.

Looking to represent all 2-color combinations under different commanders, and here's what I have in mind so far.
>Daxos, Gwafa, or Lavinia
>Taigam, Sidisi's Hand or Dralnu
>Neheb or Tymaret
>Radha or Dragonlord Atarka
>Tolsimir or Mirri

>Vona, Kambal, or Vish Kal
>Jori En, Arjun, or Nin
>Glissa, Skullbriar, Ishkanah, or Rhys
>Munda or Adriana
>Kaseto or Vorel

The idea came about while I was dicking around with the idea of a Boros list and tried my hand at a quick Munda brew. I still haven't decided on any one commander for any color pair- if anyone's got suggestions, even if those suggestions are "neck yourself for trying this awful idea", I'd like to hear them.

Pic semi-related, as a reminder that there was a time I was so autistic I'd have probably tried to do custom commanders for this already atrocious idea. I'm pretty autistic still for trying this, but at least this time there'll probably be more beer and less 'tism.

>> No.56638177

>>56638027
That actually is related to Tomorrow in that it's a terrible combo with Tomorrow. You can't draw with Tomorrow in play.

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>>56638168

>> No.56638384

>>56638177
>>56637973
Ignore me, I'm retarded. Lab Man replaces the draw with an empty library, I thought it replaced the loss.

>> No.56638470

>>56638032
You probably want to be in Jeskai. White applies new rules, blue changes the rules, and red violates rules. Thus, Jeskai is going to be the best color set for twisting reality so that everyone has to play your game that is almost but not quite entirely unlike Magic.

>> No.56638494

Has anyone played with Search for Azcanta in EDH?

>> No.56638513

>>56638470
any good commanders you have in mind?

>> No.56638617

>>56638513
Zedruu could be fun. Permanent sac outlets are rare and a lot of rules modding enchantments don't care who controls them, so you could leech extra cards off of that.

>> No.56638623

>>56638494
Yes, I run it in most of my blue decks
Sometimes I never flip it because filtering out my draws or setting up easy graveyard interactions has made it well worth it.

>> No.56638661

>>56638617
I do have zedruu so I can get started just need to find good cards to put in.

>> No.56638695

I want to play some gobbos, which wold be more fun out of Krenko, and both Worts?

>> No.56638712

>>56638695
go full Krenko and be as mono-red as possible.

>> No.56638727

>>56638695
Krenko is startlingly strong.

>> No.56638731

>>56638168
What kind of tard made that land
Hahaha

>> No.56638763

>>56638727
>>56638712
Yeah I play Krenko on MTGO, looking to build something goblins in paper as well. I'm honestly deciding between Krenko and Rakdos Wort but I guess both can atleast somewhat build into each other.

>> No.56638779

>>56638763
Anything you build into Krenko will fit into either Wort anyway.

>> No.56638801

>>56637404
Build a creatureless storm deck

>> No.56638885

>>56638801
>Howtoboreyourplaygroup.txt

>> No.56638895

Help me out of my autism, /tg/.

I've been having trouble on certain thematic archetypes I want to build but never could get past a Commander for reasons:
1) It has left an underwhelming impression in a 50-75% group
2) Theres always the "There are better options" scenerio
And 3) The time it takes to make the deck is incredobly staggering in my currently life style where I dont even have the time to devote hours into it.

It also hurts that I restrict myself to one of each color combination and no repeats of generals. The only exception to this rule are joke decks (Ex: Zedruu Auctioneering, Mimeoplasm Ooze Tribal etc)

I currently want to do these
>+1/+1 counter deck
I want to use Skullbriar, but dont want to miss out on using Reyhan in thr Command zone or use what Blue has to offer.
I want to use Reyhan+Ishai but I'll miss out on consistancy.

>Steal Stuff
I want to make a Scarab God deck but I'll miss out on Green's ramp.
I want to make a Mimeoplasm deck but I'll miss out on Scarab God being just a better Commander in general

>Equipment
I want to build Aurelia but RW is a shitty combo to work with
I want to build Samut but I'll miss out on having evasion in the Command Zone
I want to build Tana and Bruce but being locked out of Sword of Fire and Ice/Light and Shadow sucks with Bruces ability
I want to build Godo/Nazahn because they are consistant, but each lack a certain color.

>Reanimator
I want to build anything but Meren, but other colors add variety
Whereas Sultai Sidisis and Karadors playstyle didnt fit my tastes.


So yeah. Rag me all you want for being autistic about this. I just need to find a solution other than "wait a week for the next meetup to test a new deck".

I'm not the only one who has these problems, right?

>> No.56638923
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>>56638763
Make sure to pick up Kiki-Jiki.

>> No.56638971

>>56638895
I usually just can't decide on what to build, but that's way too specific. Just build what you want, goldfish it, then test it on xmage or Cockatrice

>> No.56639030

>>56638895
I also have found reanimator decks to be hard without a lot of the high tier cards

The skull briar deck can be a HOUSE I have no idea what you are working with post a list

>> No.56639044

>>56638895
Yeah I don't know what's up with your autism. You want to play with certain cards, right? There's a huge difference between Godo and Nazahn, in that their supporting colors aren't related. You gotta decide what cards you want to play with.
Also, if you're unhappy with Karador/Sidisi reanimator, but want to play reanimator, just play Golgari.

>> No.56639091

>>56639030
Could you share that skull briar list if you have it?
I'm currently working on something else, but I only have the green for it so I might be tempted to make a switch

>> No.56639281

So I'm building mono green elves with a landlock subtheme. I've got winter orb and mishra's helix, gonna pick up vorinclex. What other major landlock am i missing? Handful of land destruction spells?

>> No.56639325

>>56635204
Dunno about C1 but my C2 Marchesa is dope as fuck with a shiny ass crown

>> No.56639499

>>56639281
Root Maze.

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>>56639281

>> No.56639813

Just finished my cascade ramos deck. Turning the dragon wheel is fun. Any suggestions? Most omits are for budget, like maelstrom nexus

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-dance-of-counters-copy/

>> No.56640228

>>56639281
Hall of Gemstone

>> No.56640240

>>56627055
option 2 seems better desu

>> No.56640345

>tfw no Grixis Specter legend backed up with shitloads of discard
It's all I want

>> No.56640471

>>56640345
I mean you have Crosis, and he can be pretty brutal

>> No.56640482

>>56640345

And I want a Land Matter/Land Fall Jund Commander. But we can't always get what we want.

But if we try sometimes, we just might find we get what we need.

>> No.56640489

>>56640471
There's also big daddy Nicol Bolas.

>> No.56640523

>>56640482
>But we can't always get what we want.
>But if we try sometimes, we just might find we get what we need.
Next you'll be telling me that Wall creatures can attack as though they didn't have defender.

>> No.56640645

Why are EDH players so hostile to combo?

>> No.56640650

>>56640523
well they can just not by themselves

>> No.56640689

>>56640482
Just run Vaevictis or Adun. Adun gives you regrowth on a stick (your big land guys will die), Vaevictis is lethal very easily with your power ramp. I've regularly hit 20+lands in a game - if you have a haste enabler, you don't need too much mana to just slap him down and start one-shotting.

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>>56640523

As long as you don't expect them to gather any moss.

>> No.56640714

>>56639091
I don't have a list on me but I can probably build one from cards off the top of my head
A lot of people make the mistake of thinking it's an agro deck, and while it can eliminate a player very fast for a creature deck, it's real power is in its ability to keep coming back time after time
Trample, unlockable, removal ramp and draw
That's what you need, other stuff like a grave Titan or other creature that are good with one or more of the above also deserve a spot
Hydras, especially
Lifeblood Hydra
Managorger Hydra
Mistcutter Hydra
And Primordial Hydra benefit greatly from any counter shenanigans you have in the deck
Your commander is going to get big (probably) so greater good or at least life's legacy/momentous fall will help
Slow down opponents by having a discard or sac sub theme I find bottomless pit, hypnotic Spector and sadistic hypnotist work well
Remember to pack targeted creature and art/enchantment removal
Bam from there you should be about to at least compete at most tables if not make a few enemies at the table
And if you are making enemies you are doing it right

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Who is the cutest commander with a smile you can't help but protect?

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>>56639281
>>56639628
In the same vein...

>> No.56640903

>>56640645
Imagine playing Risk with friends, except every other turn you get to flip a coin and if you win the flip, you win the entire game. Kind of defeats the point of playing in the first place.

>> No.56640938

>>56640903
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to play combo.

>> No.56641029

>>56637126
yeah my deck does the same

high power meta so im shifting more towards tendrils for lethal now

i do like how its the one deck i can think of that can play tendrils and kill everyone with it

ill make my list if you still want. theres no extra combats or double strike though

>> No.56641036

>>56640645
I don't dislike combo but it's gotten to a point in my playgroup that if we don't have a board wipe by turn two one of our players basically win guaranteed with a druid tribal edh

>> No.56641037

>>56640645
I'm not. Sometimes combos are only way to end games anyway, so even if everyone don't like them, they're still a necessary evil.
People still hate them, because they think that they're above it in morals, like they're the dudes in Dark Souls who think that you should always bow to invaders and invasion victims and cry about lack of honor if someone doesn't do it and instead just backstabs them while they're locked in animation.
Like infinites are somehow cheaper tactics as opposed to combat, and usually getting infinite tokens and winning through combat is okay in their books as well for some reason.
I have NEVER seen a proper justification as why infinites are bad, explanations have always been "muh feelings, muh honorabru geemu, muh inexpensive tictacs"

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>>56640817
#FreeHer

>> No.56641041

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sidisi-self-mill-tyrant-4/

This is the sidisi list I've been working on. Haven't done a ton of playtesting yet but still looking for suggestions. The deck so far is way cheaper than I expected so I'm open to whatever as long as it isn't absurdly expensive.

>> No.56641051 [DELETED] 

I really don't get your analogy. In your coinflip scenario there's no chance for interaction. And I personally go out of my way to play interactive stuff, with more than two pieces where at least one is a creature.

>> No.56641063

>>56640903
I really don't get your analogy. In your coinflip scenario there's no chance for interaction. And I personally go out of my way to play interactive stuff, with more than two pieces where at least one is a creature.

>> No.56641116

>>56640645

Because most of the combo players I know are just jackasses who want to do it so they can masturbate at how clever they are for having a $1000+ landbase and a couple combos they read about online when they win on turn 4.

>> No.56641136

>>56641116
Why aren't you proxying lands?

>> No.56641152

>>56641063
The coinflip is the interaction.
Coin flip lost = an opponent had the right type of removal and mana for it and you didn't have enough countermagic, game continues
Coin flip won = no one had a response or you had enough countermagic, game is over

>> No.56641193

What's the appeal of voltron? More than most others, it seems to me that voltron decks do the exact same plays game after game.

How do you get some fun variation in a voltron deck and what's a good commander to accomplish this?

>> No.56641250

>>56641193
you just change the commander

>> No.56641256

>>56641063
Most people who sit down to play casual EDH picture their enjoyable interactions to be things like, "I'm going to kill that fatty swinging at me with my instant", or "I'm going to stop/steal/redirect this spell in a way that's entertaining".
People don't enjoy stopping the game from ending, much like they don't enjoy letting you end it. They just breath a sigh of relief and feel thankful that they can get back to the REAL gameplay, that involves them getting to do the actions listed above.

>> No.56641325

>>56641039
Braids literally did nothing wrong.

But no really, I've never ran into the old Turn 0 Braids lock of olden days. Then again I never ran into the Grislebrand Storm pre ban so thats saying something.

>> No.56641329
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I'm trying to build jank kess strom deck and my mana curve is mostly on 1 and 2.
Is it bad idea to go for 26 lands + 12 solid mana rocks? (I'm too poor to buy proper land base)

>> No.56641469

>>56641329
My Kess list also has a similar curve and I settled on 32 lands + 9 rocks + 4 cost reducers. Mine is a control build though, so keep that difference in mind.
No matter what though, I wouldn't drop below 30 lands.

>> No.56642104

>>56641193
Sometimes you want to play a straightforward game of beating up your opponents with a big creature. Plus if you have access to white and green you can add some enchantresses to your aura voltron deck

>> No.56642152

>>56640471
>>56640489
Ooh I like these ideas.

>> No.56642178

Would an Ojutai Voltron deck work?

>> No.56642195

>>56641036
>Winning with Druid tribal
I like him. Seton's a bro

>> No.56642322

>>56638494
Azcanta does work in Sidisi, mostly the front half but the back has it's uses

>> No.56642387

>>56642178
Yes just run a ton of vigilance effects

>> No.56642751

>>56620929
I play Ayli and life gain + removal but I really like tutoring Waste Not early game then playing dark deal or other discard effects

>> No.56643425
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Name a more Chad commander. I'll wait.

>> No.56643507
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>>56643425

>> No.56643560
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>>56643425
>bitches all over him
Flavortext even mentions his ability to mindbreak people.

>> No.56643570

>>56643507
>gets all his friends killed because of hubris
That's virgin as fuck, a true Chad would sacrifice himself for his buds

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>>56643425
>>56643560
>virgins can't even target it
>gets stronger the more bitches attach to him
>flavortext talks about his Chad Stride

>> No.56643761

NEW THREAD

>>56643754
>>56643754
>>56643754

NEW THREAD

>> No.56643869

>>56637432
Zur is fucking gay

trample his shit nibba

>> No.56643882
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>>56643425
>Being led around by fate
>Chad
You need to be a man against time to truly be a Chad

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