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Angry Squid Noises For The Emperor Edition

>Beastman model thing coming soon
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/13/coming-soon-beastman-underhive/

>latest Peach/Duncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7NEPsYNZTI

>FAQs and Errata, GW up to 1.3, FW up to 1.2:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Downloads#warhammer40k

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in properly converted pdf & epub, fully bookmarked and linked with in-line errata annotations
https://mega.nz/#F!bF0ExS4D!_XaMECn0K9HiJKUFSopJLA

>Other Megas
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
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https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
>Old Black Library Mega
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q

>WIP Math-hammer doc (Thanks Chart-Anon!)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

>> No.56462381

fuck heretics

>> No.56462383
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Anyone here ever recast Biovores? Looking to attempt it, have read the guides but would like some pointers if anyone has done it before.

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>>56462365
>tfw Botan won

>> No.56462395

my dudes > your dudes

>> No.56462396

https://discord.gg/jGVNx

>> No.56462419

Can blood angels currently take a stormtalon?

Is it a good unit?

>> No.56462429

Will I get blown off the table turn one will I even get into combat?

Battalion Detachment:
HQ:
> Samus, Daemon Prince of the Ruinstorm (220)(warlord)
> Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury (340)
Troops:
> 20x Bloodletters w/ instrument (190)
> 20x Bloodletters w/ instrument (190)
> 10x Bloodletters
Heavy Support:
> Soul Grinder (235)
> Soul Grinder (235)

The idea is that the Bloodthirster and Samus will force the decision and tank wounds to let my bloodletters up the field and hopefully my soul grinders actually manage to hurt enemy vehicles

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56462434

Hmmm. I see my parcel from the Camarilla has arrived.

>> No.56462441

>>56462429
Should add that it's 1500pts

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>>56462434

>> No.56462451

>drop out of tg related shit due to life for awhile
>keep an eye out in case the Tyranid codex drops so I can get that sweet collectors edition
>it happens and I wasn't even aware it was going to
Why this

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>>56462447

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>>56462453

Hmmm, their heads might be too small to fit with GW's heroic scale...but they'll be nice collector's minitures at the very least.

>> No.56462468

>>56462462
the heck am I looking at?

>> No.56462469
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56462469

>Huron Blackheart
>capture guilliman and his armies but get cucked out of the victory by khorne
>gets BTFO by Typhus
>currently getting BTFO by Tyranids on his home turf
When did Huron go from “he’s totally gonna challenge abbadon guise” to being the laughing stock of chaos marines? How will he ever recover?

>> No.56462474

>>56462365
First for the Greater Good!!

>> No.56462484

When does Necromunda release? Saturday?

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>>56462468

>> No.56462495

>>56462468
It's models for Eisenhorn and Bequin from ArtelW. The Eisenhorn model is a bitch to build.

>> No.56462500

>>56462493
>copy that

>> No.56462504

>>56462396
Fuck off faggot

>> No.56462530

>>56462395
our dudes > their dudes

>> No.56462532

>>56462383
i just got them off yoyhammer for $10 each

>> No.56462533

Should i do a WE army based on a fleet of Heresy Era Marines getting lost in the warp and ending up in 40k or skulltakers lead by Zhufor?

>> No.56462534

going to be starting a nid army, I like the Tiamet color scheme, since they don't have a trait themselves and their fluff boils down to "THEIR BUILDING A THING" i'm trying to decide on which one to take. Leaning towards making a reasonably small model count army mainly made up of warriors for the troops and some bigger bugs too

>> No.56462546

So a friend of mine is super into 40k and plays Tyranids, is there something ~40-50$ that pretty much any army for them could use? It's his birthday soon.

>> No.56462551

>>56462532
Good quality?

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Deep strike for my bananas in pyjamas fucking when?

>> No.56462569

>>56462554
I don't think GW is really planning to continue support for Custodes. We MAY get some changes when Chapter Approved releases, but I wouldn't count on it.

Here's hoping FW does their fucking job and ports over sone models/rules.

>> No.56462576

>>56462551
Cant tell them apart from the real sculpts

>> No.56462577

>>56462534
The fluff says they have diamond hard chitin, that’s their other schtick besides building the nidstronomicon. How would that translate into a hive fleet trait? +1 to all armor saves? Army wide +1 Toughness?

>> No.56462611

>>56462546
Biovores is my go to gut reaction given their ability to put spore mines out there is pretty dang good, and a good source of mortal wounds. Failing that, Venomthropes because they have a -1 to hit AOE, or they can make Zoanthropes out of them as well, or a Neurothrope and 2 Zoanthropes which they can just run as 3 Neuros and the big guy is the Warlord Neuro. Both are like $47USD if I remember correctly.

>> No.56462618

>>56462546
Tervigon is $57 and should be in basically every army

Broodlords are pretty good too and are $40

>> No.56462621

>>56462469
how did he fuck up hard enough to lose the Macragge's Honor, anyways?

>> No.56462636

>>56462469
>JUST
>AS
>PLANNED

>> No.56462643

>>56462569
> I don't think GW is really planning to continue support for Custodes

Yeah they have too much shit on their hands right now. They will probably release a big campaign before the end of Q1 2018 too.


> Here's hoping FW does their fucking job and ports over sone models/rules.

I wouldn't count on that. Fire of Cyraxus is nowhere to be found atm.

>> No.56462652

>>56462577
Reroll saves
When attacked by <Building>

>>56462546
Swarmlord, Nid players love them

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>>56462569
We know that everyone is getting codices but dontknow if Talons will be its own book, depends on how they'll package the SoB. Could be that they just do a combined book for all the imperium leftovers once the 1000000 marine books have come out
I dont even care about the FW vehicles, just gimme deep strike back and a Tribune HQ slot

>> No.56462667

What are opinions on multi melta hellbrutes? I just got bazillion starter set dreadnoughts from ages past and they come with multi meltas and fist.

>> No.56462678

>>56462569
>>56462643

Remains to be seen, it is plausible for Custodes to be expanded.
People constantly pester FW for 40k rules, so demand is visible.

>> No.56462687

>>56462643
>Fire of Cyraxus
soon™

>> No.56462697

Andy Chambers claimed to "dislike Squats the most, followed by marines"

>>56462687
I can't wait till it eventually releases and people are disappointed by it since it'll never meet their hopes.

>> No.56462700

>>56462660
They treat the update booklets as their own codex, unfortunately.

If anything they'll be in a book similar to Imperial Agents.

>> No.56462706

>>56462660
Talons will not get a codex, much like Ynnari. It'll most likely stay index only (again, like ynnari) with some minor support in CA's. This dorsn't mean individual models may not become part of another army (SoB, SoS and Custards all in "Imperial Agents") but there won't be a custodes dex unfortunately.

>> No.56462713

>>56462697
>I can't wait till it eventually releases
ahahahaha, you're funny

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>>56462365

Opinions on my list? 1K all-rounders, I dont know what i'll be facing

>> No.56462732

>>56462713
Oh, it'll come out one day.
And likely turn out to only have 1/4 of the 30k admech stuff and it'll be overcosted to boot

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>>56462714

>> No.56462762
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56462762

How do we fix this shit without removing it completely? Swarmlords fluff is fucking retarded

>> No.56462766

>>56462732
>"please look foreward to Fires of Cyraxus volume II"
yea, I can see this happening

>> No.56462777

>>56462762
it's a "smarter" but more resoruce heavy breed hive tyrant with more autonomy and there are times when that's useful to the hivemind for whatever reason

>> No.56462800

>>56462762
I agree, it needs a more unique model to contrast with the faction.
I got a novel idea, maybe a form that resembles a mutated woman? Perhaps a Tyranidized female psyker?

It is a bit of a crazy idea, but fits what you'd expect from the Tyranids

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>>56462429
> mfw /40kg/ won't respond unless you play tyranids

>> No.56462816

>>56462762
It's a specific strain of hive tyrant, just like screamer killers and thornbacks for Carnifexs, just has specific adaptations to bump it up in the tactical command role as well as close combat decapitation of a planet's resistance when a standard Hive Tyrant strain won't do. Just alter what wargear it starts with, some different rules, all that jazz like Thornback/Screamer-Killers have. While Deathleaper, Old One Eye, and The Red Terror are fine as set fixtures, Swarmlord needs to be made to be shown as a subtype of Tyrant and less this super special thing.

>> No.56462818

>>56462636
>tzeentchfag pretending they didn’t pull bigger choke job than the 2016 Atlanta Falcons
They literally had guilliman trapped, thousands of marines, Celestine, greyfax and a whole company of grey knights locked up and completely at their mercy, and LET THEM LIVE. They could have crushed the Imperium right there, but instead decided to keep them at Hurons house for reasons, and conveniently left all them them in their armor and with their weapons a couple of rooms over where they could be easily obtained in a breakout. The amount of stupidity it takes to fuck up that bad should have generated a new chaos god

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>>56462714
Is it Emperorday already, that you give us such a treat?

>> No.56462828

>>56462706
I mean, I kinda expect there to be the imperial leftovers soup superbook and that'll be the update Custards get, just hope that they'll get deep strike back desu, and that they'll get the tribune for an HQ slot. He could kinda work like a smaller Guilliman in the sense that he grants some buff for Imperium units rather than just Custodes
Whether they get more stuff down the line, whatevs mang

>> No.56462849

>>56462806
what the fuck is wrong with that ak

>> No.56462854

>>56462800
>maybe a form that resembles a mutated woman? Perhaps a Tyranidized female psyker?
delete your fucking account

>> No.56462863

>>56462849
Literally nothing?
It has a VFG if that's what you're asking

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>>56462800
Dude I found some OC to go with your Idea! Anything else you can tell me about this idea of yours? Think it'll be a kind of rogue intelligence? Maybe an experiment of sorts?

>> No.56462865

>>56462762
Honestly?
I'd rather have a unique model/datasheet for the Nephilim King rather than this jobbing faggot.

>> No.56462870

>>56462818
Personally, I'm just waiting for that one Chaosfag to show up and defend this not only as "JUST AS PLANNED YOU GUIZ!!!!!", but also as some kind of genius secret mission they accomplished, and thus both pleased their god and set themself up for the time when they AYKSHULLY are going to destroy the Imperium, this time for sure!

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>>56462762
Tyranid fluff in general is retarded.

Every other faction in the game has great strengths and weaknesses in the lore except for Tyranids. Every major loss on their part can be handwaved, they counter chaos, they beat Orks at their own schtick, they can't have their own weapons turned against them, you can't actually kill the more individual ones because their mind is transferred, etc. They're just so blatantly overpowered in the lore that it makes it nearly impossible to write stories involving them that aren't shit.

This is why Tyranids players whine they never really get a 'win', because Tyranids win every conflict by default. Like with the Blood Angels being crushed, GW had to come up with a stupid excuse for them to not be completely wiped out. (Honestly though, did Tyranid players really expect their faction would get to destroy a popular SM army?)

GW needs to take a step back and take a long look at Tyranids to overhaul their lore. Focus on designing clear strengths and weaknesses that allow for decent interaction with the other factions.

>> No.56462875

>>56462864
Damn that looks sick, can't believe someone beat me to it

>> No.56462881
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"Pedro Kantor"

Didn't want to buy the real model and have him be way shorter than everyone else in my Primaris force, so...

>> No.56462888

>>56462849
It's had a rough life, and is now dating a male stripper from a trailer park

>> No.56462902
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>>56462881
>Doesn't want glorious Pedro in his army
>instead takes beer-gut marine
Wow, way to be a fucking faggot anon.
I mean, it's okay if you want it that way, but Pedro Kantor has a really nice model.

>> No.56462917

>>56462881
i bet you'd deny the holocaust and make your own vulkan

>> No.56462920

>all the tyranid shit that was out of stock is back
>all the tyranid shit that was in stock is sold out

Get your shit together GW

Who the fuck is even buying the toxicrene/maleceptor box

>> No.56462927

>>56462874
It is why they are the true NPCs

>> No.56462930

>>56462902
>>56462917
Main thing that made the decision was Pedro being $30 while I already had a spare of this guy.

>> No.56462933

>>56462874
That weakness is supposed to be the nids connection to the hivemind and synapse, but it's for some reason a rarely exploited weakness.
In fact, most of the time nids battles in the lore seem to end with "and then they were killed" rather than exploring how they were killed or what specific tactics were used.

>> No.56462936

>>56462920
Assholes trying to raise the prices on Amazon/eBay.

GW should add a queue for out of stock/in demand items, so people are guaranteed one instead of having a douche order 50 in one order.

>> No.56462949

What should daemons take in the mean time to replace the soul grinder?

>> No.56462958

>>56462949
csms

>> No.56462966

>>56462667
Super shit. Multimelta may be their worst option, even below the plasma cannon.

>> No.56462970

Hey /40kg/, what rules would you use for Blood Ravens? I want some meaty psyker backup for my AdMech, but I can't decide what is fluffiest.

>> No.56462979

Blood angel advice for fighting necrons?

>> No.56462981
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>>56462874
>Superman fluff in general is retarded.

>Every other Super in the universe has great strengths and weaknesses in the lore except for Superman. Every major loss on his part can be handwaved, he counters evil, he beat Darkseid at his own schtick, he can't have his own powers turned against him, you can't actually kill him because his spirit is too pure, etc. He's just so blatantly overpowered in the lore that it makes it nearly impossible to write stories involving him that isn't shit.

>This is why Superman fanboys whine he never really gets a 'win', because Superman wins every conflict by default. Like with Batman being crushed, DC had to come up with a stupid excuse for him to not be completely killed off. (Honestly though, did Superman fanboys really expect he would get to destroy a popular DC character?)

>DC needs to take a step back and take a long look at Superman to overhaul his lore. Focus on designing clear strengths and weaknesses that allow for decent interaction with the other Supers.

>> No.56462983

>>56462970
Whatever you do, be sure to give them Relics of The Chapter to represent all their "gifts"

>> No.56462984

>>56462970
Ravenguard abilties with Terminators and Librarians.

>> No.56462993

>>56462979
Get your shit together.

>> No.56462998

>>56462979
Get in melee and focus one squad down at a time.

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>>56462979
Maybe this daemon dude can bail you out once more.

>> No.56463004

>>56462981
Someone doesn't keep up with the comics.

>> No.56463007

Become BFFs

>> No.56463008

>>56462874
Me and some friends bought a massive Tyranid army just so we could have npcs to fight in a campaign we designed.

We have all these interesting characters, stories, and backgrounds for our PDF forces, space marines, an inquisitor who is helping defend the world etc. The closest we came to an interesting background for the 'nids is they have a big worm monster we built in the vein of moby dick.

Fun to shoot at, that's about it.

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Do champions, sergeants, nobz, etc in units count as characters? Just wondering if I am witnessing some miniwargaming fuckery.

>> No.56463016

>>56462981
So 'nids are the most boring race confirmed?

>> No.56463018

My opponent loves to deepstrike an assload of gribblies on to my admech gun line, so I hard to be devious to not get raped on the first turn.

I brought along Hector Rex to deny his flyrant, and 4 squads of two crusaders to thoroughly fuck his deepstrike options.

It was a close battle, but his stratagems won the day (free rounds of shooting, combat, spawning hormagaunts).

>> No.56463019

https://discord.gg/W8HHb Dicord Chat For Cool people only. No lamebrains

>> No.56463022

>>56462981
that's literally true though

>> No.56463023

>>56462983
>>56462984
Well yes, that was what I was going to do, but having some confirmation is pretty great. Looking at CataTermies with claws and three Libs.

>> No.56463031

>>56463013
Do they have the Character Keyword?

>> No.56463032

>>56463013
They do not. They are the same as any other model in the unit in terms of key words and rules other than minor stat differences and maybe a single rule the unit gets with them.

>> No.56463036

>>56462979
Why are you fighting your allies?

>>56462981
But Superman is boring and not even that cared for now

>> No.56463040

>>56463019
piss off

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>>56463031
>>56463032
Hell yeah, I knew it was fucked. Thanks anons.

>> No.56463053

>>56462484
24th

>> No.56463056

>>56463019
Fuck off with your discord cancer, assigning names to people from an anonymous image board is not conducive to the kind of discussion that we want to take place here, or the health of board culture.

>> No.56463057

>>56463016
All they need now is their own Kryptonite, made by the Adeptus Mechanicus if possible

>> No.56463058

>>56462979
wait 3 weeks for your codex then shit on the index trash

>> No.56463066
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>>56463019
drink this, it's awesome

>> No.56463067

>>56462697
>since it'll never meet their hopes.
So long as it gives AdMech two or three new units it's already met my hopes.

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>>56463066
Ok ok, Just shove the straw in there with all the other shit

>> No.56463088

WHAT DO YOU MEAN HIVE TYRANTS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE??

>> No.56463092

>>56462874
I'm mostly neutral on Nid lore until it becomes "and then the creature perfectly avoided all traps and defeated every enemy because it's a perfect creature due to hyper evolution and thus perfect".

>> No.56463097

>>56463057
I still don't get how the nids win against daemons, they aren't even made of edible materials ffs

>> No.56463100

>>56463057
Could you count setting the lower atmosphere on fire?

>> No.56463106

>>56463088
I mean Carroburg Crimson isn't Available either. I dont know if that means anything but i thought it was important.

>> No.56463114

>>56462762
They should just make all the special character nids as a high resource cost super beast. Something It'd want atleast one of, but not be able to afford the biomass to spam it. OOE's regen gotta be consuming to create.

>> No.56463115

>>56463100
Or spamming Servitors so hard they starve. That's even in the lore.

>> No.56463117

>>56463057
They kind of have that. Biological weapons don't work against tyranids until they magically do and destroy entire hive fleets.

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>>56463092
POWER OVERWHELMING

>> No.56463124

>>56463088
FFS
Everything is getting reboxed with new datasheets when it sells out.

>> No.56463142

>>56463097
There's shit loads of biomass on a planet regardless of huge daemons. If we see them heading to some utterly sterile rock and fighting daemons that would be retarded, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

>> No.56463149

>>56463057
Sorry, but no, marines will fulfill that role

>> No.56463150

>>56462874
>Chaos fluff in general is retarded.
>Every other faction in the game has great strengths and weaknesses in the lore except for Chaos. Every major loss on their part can be hand waved as part of le great game just as planned lolz, they counter the hive mind, they technically already won the setting, they can't have their own weapons turned against them, you can't actually kill them because they just go back to the warp, etc. They're just so blatantly overpowered in the lore that it makes it nearly impossible to write stories involving them that aren't shit.
>This is why Chaos players whine they never really get a 'win', because Chaos wins every conflict by default. Like with the space wolves getting crushed by Magnus, GW had to come up with a stupid excuse for them to not be completely wiped out. (Honestly though, did Chaos players really expect their faction to just end a popular SM chapter?)
>GW needs to take a step back and take a long look at chaos to overhaul their lore. Focus on designing clear strengths and weaknesses that allow for decent interaction with the other factions

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>>56463097
They get fat off the power of their imagination apparently

>> No.56463157

>>56463023
BR use Tartaros. Even their chapter master is in it.

>> No.56463161

>>56463092
Yep this is about how i feel. Though i used think that nid fluff in general was pretty cool but now i am slowly getting bored of the ever evolving micro organism. They literally shouldn't be able to lose because they can adapt to any thing.

>> No.56463162

what is the most "fleshy" thing when it comes to the cult mechanicus like [insert figure name here] are just people but missing x amount of parts but is still human and not a robot

>> No.56463166

>>56463124
Provided that they can get over thier shit power grid and step up production again. I mean come on, carnifexes are always sold out.

>> No.56463167
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>>56463150

>> No.56463169

>>56462419

Don't know but yes pretty good, lascannons hitting on 2's against ground units is always nice

>> No.56463171
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>>56463153
>"you're playing with us peter"

>> No.56463172

>>56463157
I want that 4++ though. And they are cheaper.

>> No.56463175

>>56463169
It only hits on 2 if stationary


bs3 - heavy movment penalty + grounded target

>> No.56463182

what baneblade variant excluding the shadowswordis the best? the hellhammer looks pretty good to me to sink CP on for Firstborn Pride

>> No.56463183

>>56463161
They could have made much more of that.

Have the nids start with loads of weaknesses.
They evolve in response.
If that tendril can be wiped out the adaptations will be lost.
If hive ships are allowed to escape then the weaknesses that have been exploited will not be there in the future.

There's some interfering story telling potential in there.

>> No.56463185

>>56463172
You mentioned fluff, I'm just telling you the fluff.

>> No.56463186

>>56463088
Just play Tsons. Nothing ever sells out

>> No.56463193

>>56462714
I was going to critique your list but then I saw you were mixing fleets and decided to just tell you to kill yourself instead.

>> No.56463203

>>56463183
Also add in a defined limit to their power.

Having a scale of "these few are it" to "We have a whole other Galaxy's worth of fleets" is fucking retarded.

>> No.56463209

>>56463193
>how dare you violate the self imposed limitations that I made up for myself.
Scrub mentality.

>> No.56463212

>>56463185
Ahhh, damn you. Okay.

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>>56462981
>Kryptonite
>Magic
>jobbing
Supes is far from the strongest in DC.

>> No.56463216

>>56463193

Whats wrong with mixing fleets? The IG guys are doing it, and I don't want to scrub myself in my meta. And there's a lot of IG guys in my meta

>> No.56463219

Does anyone know if more people are starting to play 40k, or are the number of players declining?

>> No.56463225

>>56463215
But he is the most boring.

>> No.56463234

>>56462714
Do NOT mix hive fleets. You are just screwing yourself over synapse-wise.

>> No.56463237

>>56463219
no hard numbers although the growth seems to have plateaued.

>> No.56463244

>>56463219
It's not like there is some kind of registry.

GW's sales are up. Anecdotally more players are starting or returning for 8th than are quitting because of 8th.

>> No.56463247

>>56462762
Give ot better rules for a start, it's supposed to be the tyranid equivalent of tactical genius but all you get is an extra scooty-tooty each turn. It doesn't take space bug Einstein to come.up with "run really fast".

>> No.56463250

>>56463219
There was definitely a spike with the new edition, but it has for sure decided a but since then. More players are playing it over 7th, though.

>> No.56463258

>>56463244
But there is?
The Tabletop gaming license. Rolled out after the plastic claws ban by the thoughtful British government.
Make sure you have your models swords clearly blunted or they'll confiscate it!

>> No.56463259

>>56463203
I am fine with them having an innumerable amount of fleets off some where but i think that their needs to be some sort of limit or something to their adaptions like being able to out adapt everything makes them boring since eventually theres just going to be Hive fleet that literally can't be killed by anything and then well everything is going to get boring. All stories will just be asspulls from the other factions to destroy the indestructible nids.

>> No.56463265

>>56463234

Ah, I just noticed it says <Hive Fleet > for synapse. What if everything was under Behemoth? Will my list function better?

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>>56463225
And to think there was a time when he would have fit right in on 4chan

>> No.56463294

>>56463259
I'd be ok with at least something like every time nids adapt they lose an old adaptation in the process or that it at least took them some time for adaptations to come into full effect instead of the nids just shitting out an entire army of new creatures in no time at all.

Evolving complex creatures in a matter of weeks or months is still pretty damn fast in the grand scheme of things.

>> No.56463301
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>>56463097
Just because daemons aren’t edible doesn’t mean they can’t be blasted to smithereens by bioplasma and Fleshborers. Tyranids are realizing that if Chaos isn’t stopped, they’ll swallow up planets and turn them into useless daemonworlds.

>>56463142
That’s literally what happened in shadowbrink round 2. The Tyranids went there specifically to stop the daemons. There’s even a story where they ignore an imperial fleet just to attack a Chaos one

>> No.56463303

>>56463294
Even that would be okay if there was a mechanism to prevent that adaption being communicated.

>> No.56463305

>>56463269
http://www.superdickery.com/tag/superman-is-a-dick/

>> No.56463313

>>56463301
Yep, and its retarded. Even going to some sterile ball to nom humans is inefficient and dumb.

>> No.56463319

>>56463301
>Kronos refuses to answer the charge
>too scared of khorne
>the absolute state of nids
Tyranids confirmed pussies who get wrecked by daemons in melee. How will they ever recover?

>> No.56463324

>>56463182
Hellhammer has a single lasgun.

>> No.56463326

>>56463258
We just keep our models in sealed pvc tubes buried in the back yard in case we ever need them to overthrow the government.

>> No.56463331

>>56463216
Mixing regiments is also a good reason to consider suicide

>> No.56463332

>>56463303
There is, that was the entire point of Valedor and the whole Aeldari bio-purge.

I gotta say though, as an anon who just arrived to the conversation, it's funny how Tyranids have been completely and utterly shat on in the lore of their own fucking Codexes for like 3 straight editions now, and the first time they get a decent book since 4th the threads are full of bitching and whining that nid lore is "OP".

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>>56463319

>> No.56463352

>>56463332
Except they haven't been shat on in the lore, only in rules.

>> No.56463354

>>56463319
>book states explicitly the Hive Mind can't feel fear.
>says they use ranged warfare against Daemons because it's a more efficient method of extermination, implying they could still exterminate them in melee it's just not worth the extra trouble
>daemons confirmed utterly wrecked by nids in any case and have to resort to crying about "b-but at least I have m-muh honorabru melee" as damage control
How will chaoscucks ever recover?

>> No.56463359

>>56463332
Anon there is a difference between being shit on in lore and being so powerful that they can out adapt anything. There is an in between that can be reached.

>> No.56463363

>>56463352
You obviously didn't read the 5th edition book, it was utter fucking garbage.

>> No.56463375

>Forgetting that the nids lost to winter, can't eat ash, and lose in attrition to AdMech
Just looking at recent codices

>> No.56463377
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>>56463354
But anon, I was led to believe that Chaos are actually the good guys!

>> No.56463379

>>56463359
Except they don't out-adapt everything, there are plenty of times Tyranids are defeated. You seem to be angry that they have the ABILITY to out-adapt things even when they fail to do so.

>> No.56463398

>>56463379
The nid lore that has them winning is basically "the nids defeat every strategy by out evolving and perfectly countering everything" and the nid lore where they lose has them not out adapting everything. It's extremely inconsistent.

>> No.56463419

>>56463398
That's not inconsistent any more than "the lore that has a space marine win a fight has him perfectly shoot the ork boy in the head with his bolter and the lore where he loses has him miss the shot and get krumped."

You win some you lose some, strategies and advantages don't make warfare an absolute and deterministic practice, they just increase your odds of winning.

>> No.56463426

>>56463303
See >>56463332
There’s a reason why hive fleets actually have distinct features and the Tyranids aren’t just one homogeneous super race with all the traits and adaptations from every fleet combined into one. It’s stated multiple times in the fluff that if the fleets were able to combine it would create a monstrous threat no one could stop.
Only Gorgon and Leviathan have shown extensive biological adaptation, the rest usually just switch upntheir tactics or use different combinations of beasts that they already had

>> No.56463435

Besides the dark angel icons what else can I used for a chaplain dreadnought crozius?

>> No.56463449

>>56463375
Of those scenarios, only the "can't eat ash" one was completely and utterly retarded on the part of the writers. The nuclear winter and AdMech situations can both be explained by going more into detail, some anon did a really good write-up in these threads on how the Lucius war of attrition actually could have played out that made sense and didn't make the nids look like jobbers.

I can't even begin to explain how much I want to strangle the mongoloid who wrote that "can't eat ash" blurb in the IG dex, though. I bet it was fucking Cruddace.

>> No.56463457

>>56463435
Stick a chaplain onto his hand. "BE MY CROZIUS ARCANUM IN THESE DARK TIMES, BROTHER GRIMALDUS!"

>> No.56463467
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>>56463319
>daemons too retarded to bring guns to a gun fight
>still using the same units they use to fight Low fantasy races as they do races with tanks, aircraft and plasma weapons
>get buttblasted when enemy uses an obvious advantage to win
>gets shot with no way of retaliation
>b-bet you fags can’t beat us in the only thing we’re good at!
The absolute state of chaoscucks

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>>56463435

4x Sanctum Imperialis support bits glued to a rod

>> No.56463479

>>56463470
That would be way too big, even if it was a Leviathan Dread.

>> No.56463481
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56463481

think we'll see new khorne berzerker models released soon? I wanna get maelstrom of gore but I might as well wait if they are

>> No.56463494

>>56463481
I'm betting we see them next year. They can't be too far off, Angron is coming at some point, we know Armageddon is the next major Warzone to get featured in a campaign book, and there's no way they won't update Berzerkers when Angron gets a model.

>> No.56463511

https://twitter.com/edgeblend/status/931203516319793154

>> No.56463520
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>>56463494
>new berzerkers
>angron
>probably new ork shit too

>> No.56463528

>>56463467
Well anon considering that daemons have conquered multiple worlds that had Tanks, Aircraft and Plasma Weapons on them I dont know who should be more embarrassed The Daemons or the Humans who are getting beat out by Bugs in the purging of Chaos.

>> No.56463534
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>be /40kg/ thread
>every day full of plebian manlet betas having catfights over which of their pet faction is the bestest
>not being patrician-taste chad ubermensch who plays all races and loves them all
Pic related is my list of reasons why you guys are faggots unworthy of my presence

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>>56463534
Every faction is pretty cool, ad mech and tau are gay tho.

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>>56463534
I see you've come back to greet us, Anon

>> No.56463555

>>56463542
Why do you hate technology so much?

>> No.56463556

>>56463542
Ad Mech is among the coolest of them.

T'au needs some serious work to make them interesting again, though. They're at the bottom of the totem pole next to Necrons. They both have potential but it's being wasted on the current writers.

>> No.56463574
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Slab shield or Brute Shield?

>> No.56463576

>>56463553
Please don't post any more gifs of yourself.

>> No.56463581

>>56463511
I sure hope some anon will show up there and take pretty pictures of pretty new things.

>> No.56463588

>>56462365
Do GW ever do black friday deals? I don't expect anything crazy but should I expect anything at all?

>> No.56463603

>>56463574
The one that looks coolest.

In my opinion the guns on the slabshields look like ass, but the slabshields themselves look better than the brute shields.

>> No.56463611

>>56463588
HA HA HA no.

GW is a uk company. also GW doesn't do sales

>> No.56463613

>>56463574
Big towershields and mauls anon. You know you want it.

>> No.56463615

>>56463581
They'll be covering it on the community site anyways, methinks. I wouldn't worry about missing the reveals.

>> No.56463617

>>56463603
>not giving your guys slabshields and melee weapons and saying to hell with WYSIWYG

>>56463611
>GW is a uk company
Not him but I'm a britbong and Black Friday has infected the UK for several years now.

>> No.56463618

WH40K total scrub
I just finished reading whats been uploaded of the All Guardsmen Party
Where do I start to digest the lore? The wiki? Books? Any of the video games any good?

>> No.56463621

>>56463613
Is that a legal build? I'm too lazy to grab the codex right now.

>> No.56463629

>>56463588
Best bet is the Batteforce boxes of December, them and SC are the closest you'll get to sales

>> No.56463637

>>56463044
You cant choose to shoot them though, the ork player is the one who picks who gets shot because they're part of the unit

>> No.56463638

>>56463618
The best thing you can do is download the vintage 2nd edition Codex Imperialis and read through all that lore first. 95% of it is still accurate and written much better than the modern stuff.

Then pick the Codexes of your favorite factions and read through their 3rd and 4th edition iterations.

>> No.56463640

>>56463528
Daemons are a minor concern in the grand scope of a chaos invasion. It’s the madness, the plagues, and the fact that reality is literally falling apart all around you that causes the most damage. The endless swarms of daemons is just icing on the cake.

Also, the other races actually fear daemons and are affected by their warp
Powers. Tyranids aren’t, and see them merely as competing predators

>> No.56463642

>>56463618
>The wiki?
Use Lexicanum, it's okay I guess. If its info doesn't have a source, take it with a grain of salt. The wiki is meh and 1d4chan is literally meme-tier, avoid it.
>Books?
Ciaphas Cain or Gaunt's Ghosts for Guardsmen, Eisenhorn for Inquisition-flavoured stuff.
>Any of the video games any good?
Dawn of War 1 is fun, DoW2 has a great campaign if you like Marines unless you play Retribution instead otherwise not really, honestly. Space Marine is a kinda fun shooter but meh, Mira is what makes it good.

>> No.56463643

>>56463618
Plenty of the games are good but they skew strategy

>> No.56463650

>>56463520
>>probably new ork shit too
lol

>> No.56463653

>>56463621
You can combine them any way you want, IIRC.

>>56463618
Any faction you fancy? Take a look at lexicanum/1d4chan for a wiki entry/writefaggotry that should be taken with a mountain of salt. Codices are also a very good source, and you can find all the older ones in the OP.

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>>56463640

>> No.56463666
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>>56463621
In Heralds of Ruin, Kill Team, it is. And that's the game I'm playing with them.

Only downside is that hellblasters have a fucking ap -4 gun that shoots 30 inches. I don't really know how to deal with it.

>> No.56463684

>>56463666
Was Heralds of Ruin updated with 8th edition rules or is it just basically its own thing at this point?

>> No.56463687

>>56463665
Is that a picture of a Necron lord stiff arming a bloodletter?

>> No.56463692

>>56463684
Looks like it was updated a month ago
http://heralds-of-ruin.blogspot.com/p/kill-team-rules.html

>> No.56463696

>>56463665
Necrons become so much more likeable when they're smugly shitting all over Chaos.

>> No.56463710

>>56463692
Neat, I'll check it out.

>> No.56463711
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>>56463665
>necrons thinking they matter

>> No.56463731

>>56463710
Looks like they're still updating all of the army lists though a handful appear to be up to date.

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>>56463710
Its pretty good, but primarus marines are stupid strong. My poor guardsmen just got rolled up so bad, down to two models out of 16, he brought 6.

I had a scout walker, 5 scions, one scion leader dood. around 6 vets, 3 rookies.

Vs

1 Primarus Sgt, 3 hellblasters with ap -4 bull shit, and then 3 intercessors.

>> No.56463738

>>56463711
>Fearing the worst
but mortarion literally can just rez, why does he even need anyone to worry?

>> No.56463743

>>56463711
>kek chaos can infect necrons
>lol we'll put ferric in the name so it works on machines made from space quicksilver
Someone please post that one of Nids eternally BTFOing Death Guard faggots

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>>56463687
It is indeed.

>>56463711
>A new faction shits all over everyone else in their own codex
Colour me surprised.

>> No.56463754

>>56463747
>Death Guard
>New Faction
Anon....

>> No.56463759

>>56463747
God I love Necrons.

>> No.56463767

>>56463574
Tough call. I take Slabshields and everyone shoots then with Meltas and Lascannons and shoot them off the table in one turn. I bring Brute shields and I die to Bolters. Bruteshields can be buffed to 3++ and 2++ with Take Cover and Barrier but you may not want to spend a CP every turn for that and the power can fail.

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>>56463743
>Nurgle BTFO at his own game
Chaoscucks truly pathetic

>> No.56463802

>>56463696
They're literally older than the chaos gods. And considering that the warp is fallout from a war they fought against a race of 'emperor of mankind' level psykers, a war that they *won*, they can be as smug as they want to be.

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>>56463754
They did get their own codex anon. Maybe not new as in "never seen before", but they're the same kind of new faction as Thousand Sons.

>>56463759
Have more of them!

>> No.56463813

>>56463743
>Death Guard manage to kill Necrons with poison
>B-B-But the N-Nids out toxined you
The absolute state of Necronfags

>> No.56463819
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56463819

>>56463665
Chaos manlets BTFO

>> No.56463832

>>56463162
Magos biologis literally specialize in marrying the vision of the omnisiah and the flesh

You could have a totally human looking magos but beneath the skin is all machine or something.

They are definitely not running around with armies of that though, it would probably be a magos, some servitors he made and maybe a techpriest

>> No.56463834

>>56463813
>ignores how nids wiped a DG ship with super aids
The absolute state of chaoscucks

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>>56463819
Necrons somehow do feel like a welcome change from all the Imperium vs Chaos stuff.

>> No.56463866

>>56463834
I actually wasnt ignoring it at all. I am actually rather fine with Nids out poisoning DG. They might be blessed by the Gods of Plagues but they are still human after all. I am not the one having to run to another faction to BTFO other factions.

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>>56463813
>>56463866
>BTFO in their OWN CODEX
How will Chaosfags ever recover?
Also I play Alpha Legion
I just enjoy taking the wind out of the sails of faggots such as yourself

>> No.56463891

>>56463837
What toughness are they in the index i wonder

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>>56463878
>AL

>> No.56463918

>>56463891
4

>> No.56463923

>>56463878
Anon i dont know what you dont understand about me being accepting of the fact that Nids can poison and kill Death Guard. I just found it funny that Necrons got butt hurt over being poisoned.
I of course play Blood Angels and Khorne Daemons
So i am not exactly the kind of faggot you are trying to take the wind out of.

>> No.56463927

>>56463918
Dang, well hopefully Jesus was talking about the codex

>> No.56463961

>>56463923
>necrons being diseased by the literal god of plague
I see no problems here
>death guard with god granted outright immunity to diseases, toxins and bioweapons, as stated In The codex, BTFO by nids using those exact things
Truly pathetic. Hive mind > Nurgle

>> No.56463963

>>56463846
I just like the idea of a faction that has some idea of what the hell is going on.

>> No.56463985

>>56463961
Well we are talking about the faction who's entire gimmick is the ability to adapt to every scenario and use what ever they need to defeat an enemy. So them being able to develop some sort of super toxin after adapting to the Death Guard ones makes sense to me. You have to realize that Nurgle is still constantly cooking up plagues and diseases. So even he is fallible and the Death Guard aren't exactly Nurgle's will personified. They are still marines after all.

>> No.56464015

>>56463735
Buy your vets meltas, simple as that

>> No.56464027

>>56463692
>tfw talons still not updated
I just want to get away from 7th already, hot diggity damn

>> No.56464036

>>56462762
>without removing it completely?
Why not?

>> No.56464044

>>56463603
>>56463617
In 8th you no longer have to take bruteshields to use the mauls, give them any loadout you like

>> No.56464054
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>>56464036
Maybe he likes the idea but not the execution of it

>> No.56464059

>>56462777
That is literally it's fluff.

>> No.56464070

Astraeus model and rules.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NZ/Astraeus-Super-heavy-Tank-2017

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/Astraeus-Super-heavy-Tank-Download-2017.pdf

>> No.56464101
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If i were to bring some of these converted with Chainaxes and Chainswords would you let me use them as Khorne Zerkers?

>> No.56464118

>>56464054
>The time for using the knife to remove this cancer is long gone. Bring forth the torch.

>> No.56464131

>>56464070
705 points base. But whatever it shoots at is probably going to be super dead.

>> No.56464145

>>56464070
Holy fuck that's ugly

>> No.56464154

>>56464101

Yes, although I prefer the guys from the starter sets with the helmets.

I aint gonna raise an eyebrow at anyone doing the old switcharoo with 20 year old models

>> No.56464179

>>56464070
That straight D3 is pretty crazy
12 shots too

>> No.56464181

>>56464154
They do have Helmeted heads on the sprue. So i could totally do that. now i just need to decide how foolish they would look in heresy WE colours.

>> No.56464228

>>56464070
>-3 to charges that target it.

Because fuck melee, right?

God fucking dammit. I just want to smack a bitch without it feeling like an uphill battle.

Gunlines are so fucking boring and everything new that comes out just pushes them as the only option.

>> No.56464231

>>56464070
Meh rules, meh model. Interesting fluff though. When is Mars going to get its shit together and excommunicate Cawl?

>> No.56464234

>>56464228
It's a big nonsense tank that'll get used maybe once.

>> No.56464236

>>56464228
Literally everything people play has minus a to be shot at. Quit whining about gunlines

>> No.56464274

>>56464236
Yeah, except the -hit penalties work best on gunlines, and everyone that plays a gunline will always take that one. Balanced and melee armies occasionally branch out into other options, at least.

Fuck gunlines and all who play them.

>> No.56464289

>The Grey Knights hold a unique honour among the chapters of the Adeptus Astartes - in over ten thousand years of service, not a single one of their number has ever defected to Chaos.
is this real? or just fantasy? not that a grey knight would have fallen but that the honor is unique

>> No.56464290

>>56462365
>tfw exhausted from writing an uni paper the last couple days
>tfw had no time for hobbying
>tfw wake up tired as fuck this morning
>check 40kg on the way to uni
>My shitty old drawfaggotry made the OP image
>"Start it up" by the rolling stones starts playing on my ipod
Today is a good day, anons. I wish you all success and happiness in whatevet hobby activities you engage in today

>> No.56464303

>>56464289
What Chaos touches, it corrupts. Few souls are safe.

Space Marines have a 50% defection rate. Is it really that hard to believe?

>> No.56464309

>>56464289
Of course it's unique. You really think every single Ultramarine or Blood Angel EVER across 10,000 years of non-stop warfare has resisted Chaos? At some point some fucking scrub Scout or Sergeant has fallen.

>> No.56464310

>>56464228
the other weekend i had 4 units charge different parts of a gunline army on the first half turn 1. it was glorious

>> No.56464313

>>56464289
Not true now, no Primaris have gone Chaos yet.

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>>56464290
>tfw LGS broke up after Nids came out
>tfw don't know when my next game will be now, after playing weekly for several years
Y-you too, anon...

>> No.56464321

>>56464228
The things that make it float on the sides would probably push you away or down if you came close to the thing, do you expect it to be super easy to charge at it?

>> No.56464325

>>56464313
pretty hard to turn to chaos when you consider that they are already daemons

>> No.56464326

>>56464313
Come back once Primaris have 10,000 years of experience. Then we'll talk.

>> No.56464328

>>56464303
you mean 50% of 31st millenium shitmarines

>>56464309
what about the exorcists? some 41st+ millenium green marines stationed the fuck away from the rift? lamenters or similar who have almost always had very few men?

>> No.56464345

>>56464290
Thank you, today I set out on a seven hour journey to a cool 40k tournament.

>> No.56464353

>>56462818
Almost like the writers wanted the imperium to win at the cost of Chaos.

>> No.56464365

>>56464326
Like I said, yet.

>> No.56464372

>>56464320
>Lgs broke up
Wat?

>> No.56464374

>>56464321
>be assault marine
>drop directly on to targets from my thunderhawk
>use jump pack to go up and over tanks, attacking their vulnerable top armor
>see random slow-ass flying tank
>remember that time brother rexus intercepted a falcon in mid-air, planting a meltabomb on the fuselage mid-flight
>rev up my jump jets and make ready to charge
>suddenly, mid-jump, find my turbines are failing
>it must be the anti-grav generators I think, but I'm directly above the tank so they should be aiding my ascent rather than slowing me down

>> No.56464390

>>56464372
Store owner was making heavy losses because of absolutely anal venue fees and GW shafting him with their retarded stock program, so he shut the place down. My buddies just went their separate ways, none of us have a place to play at anymore.

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>Reece is an idiot for saying CSM are the be-

>> No.56464404

>>56464374
I agree that units with flying shouldn't be affected but honestly it's such a corner case that it really doesn't matter. It's lioe the flier flamer thing. Yes it hits automatically but I don't think there's a flamer (outside super heavies) with more than S5 or AP1 so it's not really going to do any fucking damage so who cares.

>> No.56464407

>>56464394
>Chaos soup sweeping tournaments
>"""""""CSM""""""" are good
Kek, let me guess, next you'll say GK are a good army because a GK list placed high in tournaments, right?

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>>56464394
>Chaos is wea-

>> No.56464416

>>56464394
>DE
>That low

It was a good run Archons. Guess I'm just gunna go kill myself. Bettet than bowing my head to Ynnari Autists.

>> No.56464418

>- posting

>> No.56464420

>>56464394
What am I looking at?

>> No.56464422

>>56464418
>responding

>> No.56464425

>>56464416
no no no. at this point you're supposed to say DE are the true mastermind strategist patrician's army not everyone can pick up and that's why they do badly

>> No.56464430

>>56464420
Performances of factions in a 100 man tournament.

http://variancehammer.com/2017/11/16/number-crunching-warzone-atlanta-2017/

>> No.56464433

>>56464394
Remember when the previews for index nids and orks came out and everyone was screeching how they were going to be top tier with gobs of turn 1 charges?

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>>56464411
>That blood angels
>That Necrons

>> No.56464444

>>56464425
Not him but they're kinda shit though. DE in 8th are an army of 2 things, lancespam and birbspam. The former is honestly middling in the horde meta and the latter is autistic cancer of the highest degree that isn't DE at all.

Just like in 7th they're a paper-thin army whose offense is too weak to justify their lack of defense.

>> No.56464447

>>56464425
Our Strategy hasn't changed in over a decade, fill your list with as many Dark lances as possible and pray to go first. You can only keep living a lie so long anon, and my time has come.

>> No.56464449

>>56464416
>He doesn't know
Ynnari have been nerfed hard.

>> No.56464455

>>56464444
>>56464447
i wasn't serious but neither were you

>> No.56464457

>>56464430
The worst performing is Grey Knights.

And they already have a codex.

Though Death Guard also performed badly with a codex.

>> No.56464458

>>56464411
I'm surprised AdMech is 6th, though I'm curious as to how many of those "AdMech" armies are actually AdMech or just something like a detachment of dunecrawlers with a detachment of other imperial troops.

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The hell is this clusterfuck ?

>> No.56464465

>>56464460
Can you not follow a simple flow chart?

>> No.56464466

>>56464449
And not a moment too soon. There's a Ynnari playing turbo autismo at my shop who always acts so superior if he beats my DE (we're about 50/50 but he can't play for shit so it doesn't matter that his lis is significantly bettet than mine usually). Can't wait to see how anally assuaged he is tomorrow.

>> No.56464472

>>56464460
Source on this shit? Is this Chapter Approved?

>> No.56464476

>>56464407
>Tfw the GK list is literally just a supreme command detatchement with Voldus and two GM dreadknights backing up an Imperial Guard/Soup army
Fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuck

>> No.56464483

>>56462493
Who's the chick? She'd make a perfect certain shipmistress from a certain Legion flagship.

>> No.56464484

>>56464476
zzz

>> No.56464488

>>56464472
Designers commentary update in FAQ

>> No.56464491

>>56464472
Check the community site, FAQ section.

>>56464466
Keep us informed, Anon!

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>>56464465

>> No.56464503

>>56464460
>clusterfuck
>literally just two yes/no questions
Nigger if you're that confused by something so simple, don't play 40k.

>> No.56464512

>>56464503
I dunno, some the questions I keep seeing about the core rules I think he might just be the perfect demographic to play 8th.

>> No.56464513

>>56464460
On the one hand, I'm not looking forward to dealing with Reaper Launcher Sniper-Autarchs, but on the other, I'm glad for all the Craftworlds players who can now make other custom Autarch's that aren't WAAC, and also the Ynnari nerfs and crying about it is DELICIOUS.

>> No.56464526

>>56464430
>literally mention several times that GKs are pretty much the shittiest army, even with a codex
FTFY
:(

>> No.56464530
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>>56464394
> orks
> Better than SW, Mechanicus, tau and Nids

>> No.56464534

>>56464513
>tfw i have an autarch with all the most expensive bling from many years ago
reaper launcher, laser lance, mandiblasters, jetbike

>> No.56464540

>>56464530
Hasn't it been know for a while that green tide is really good?

>> No.56464552

>>56464540
It's only good at meta-gaming and not actually performing well as a cohesive army...

>> No.56464555

>not playing the ITC champions pack
casuals the lot of ye

>> No.56464558

How do i paint pink armor?

>> No.56464559

>>56464540
This. I do think that nids beat them out though just because they have the same tide bullshit but also don't suck at literally everything else. Also, 300 boyz armies will never win a GT because you can't finish a fucking match. Trust me, I tried.

>> No.56464560

>>56464236
Except the faction which does not have access to -hit penalities.

>> No.56464566

>>56464558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSjKvyCFLLI

>> No.56464567
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>>56464460
>the absolute state of the 40k playerbase

>> No.56464572

>>56464558
idk mang
pick the pink paints you want and paint with them
alternatively, screamer pink, 50/50 screamer pink and emperor's children/pink horror, final layer emperor's children

>> No.56464574

>>56464404
>corner case

The only Primaris transport (that also shits out damage) has a similar rule except it's -2 instead.

>> No.56464586

>>56464526
Where's the Wojack GK image?

It's finally appropriate.

>> No.56464589

the only reason that AV was scrapped was because the Tau 7th ed codex was fucking retarded in regards to monstrous vehicles vs vehicles and ended up with the riptide actually doing well in combat instead of special ruling it to be not AP2 with smash

>> No.56464590

>>56464589
>the only reason
>only
no

>> No.56464600

>>56464449
>Ynnari have been nerfed hard

Whats the nerf?

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>>56464600

>> No.56464607

>>56464589
Tau are still a mess.

Their suits have neither the vehicle or infantry keyword. So they're unaffected by a lot of stuff that gets boosts to either.

>> No.56464608
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56464608

>Get salty over losing to an opponent playing RAW on stream
>Swear that it isn't RAI due to his background in playtesting 8th and is friends with designers
>NEXT DAY GW confirms his opponents position.
>Deletes video of the game from the Frontline Gaming twitch account

Has any man ever been so assblasted?

>> No.56464610

>>56464574
It is a single model in a game with hundreds that has to be assaulted by a specific type of unit of which there are, what, 10 that exist that you would actually want to assault with? That's 10 possible situations out of millions of possible combinations. I'm also not counting the 705 point steaming pile of shit you will literally never see on a table.

>> No.56464614

>>56464600
Can't Soulburst in the opponent's turn, and can't use the same Soulburst action more than once per turn.

Someone somewhere is going to set their army on fire over this.

>> No.56464617

>>56464608
What was the context?

>> No.56464620

>>56464606
>>56464614
when was this? i missed the salt

>> No.56464624

>>56464608
Oh man, what happened exactly?

>> No.56464628

>>56464620
Yesterday nigger

>> No.56464629

>>56464628
sorry i was drunk that day

>> No.56464633

>>56464606
I bet the autistic screeching on dakka is unreal right now. I kinda want to go check it out.

>> No.56464647

>>56464633
You should go make an account just to stoke the flames anon, rally a cause for the Ynnari still being too powerful.

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>>56464608
AHHSS BHLAHSTED

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>>56464606
>>56464614
I hope Slaanesh eats the lot of them

>> No.56464657
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56464657

Guys Warhammer is so fun. I got that First Strike starter kit and posted it back a thread or so ago, and now I want to start building a collection. How come you guys didn't tell me this game is like crack? Also, do Death Guards have decent units for a full army?

>> No.56464658

>>56464617
>>56464624
InControl vs Reece https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/11/15/live-game-tonight-incontrols-tyranids-vs-reecius-biel-tan/

Incontrol heroically intervened against a unit that didn't charge, Reece threw an autistic shitfit, got super salty and ended the game. Claiming it was a shitty way to end it and he knows for a fact that isn't the rule.

Today this comes out in the designer commentary:

Q: Can Characters only perform a
Heroic Intervention against enemy units
that charged this turn, or can they do so
against any enemy unit?

A: They can do so against any enemy unit.
Note that they can only do so if they end up closer to the nearest enemy model, whether it charged this turn or not.

>> No.56464660

>>56464657
animeposter

>> No.56464687

>>56464657
DG do well vs scrubs but poorly in tournaments.

It's odd.

>>56464658
How did that situation even arise?

>> No.56464689

>>56464633
Funnily enough the only seemed to screech about it for a page or so, now they're unable to figure out how to follow the flowchart telling you that you can use wargear from the index. They're trying to say that since the wargear is on the index datasheet you have to use that datasheet.

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How does /tg/ feel about Blood Slaughterers of Khorne?

>> No.56464697

>>56464687
So for casual play at LGS I'd be able to hold my own once I'm more acquainted with the faction? Their passive for the wound saving throw seems really good.

>> No.56464705

>>56464658
It's fucking RAI and RAW that you can intervene in a combat that you otherwise were too far away to do so with a turn earlier.
What a cunt.

>> No.56464707

>>56464687
There's quite a few builds that do well in casual games but not in tournaments. Quite a few options open up when you don't have to worry about being hyper point efficient.

>> No.56464718

>>56464697

It's aight, they pay out the nose for it. You're basically immune to small arms, but the shit that kills Marines will still kill you pretty handily.

You'll be fine.

>> No.56464736

>>56464365
Reading comprehention, what is it?

You said:>>56464313 that this:>>56464289 is not true

but in order to hold that honor, a chapter needs to
- not have anyone fall to chaos
- be in service for 10.000 years

For first founding chapters this is:
- false
- true

For primaris this is:
- true
- false

And for Grey Knights this is:
- true
- true

So you're just wrong

>> No.56464738

>>56464394
>two nids

>> No.56464746

>ah thank god GW lets me use the index weaponry (((they))) forgot to put in the codex
>Now I just need to own the index and the codex

>> No.56464757

>>56464707
Again, new player, are the casual formats usually revolving around a point system where each unit eats up a certain amount from a bank?

>> No.56464760

>>56464513
How was Ynnari nerfed? I don't keep up with them.

>> No.56464762

>>56464746
Unless you're C:SM or CSM you already HAD to own the index already. If you bought the codex first as a new player you probably don't know the options exist or illegally downloaded the index. It's literally much ado about jack shit.

>> No.56464764

>>56464757
Points is the most common but even with power level you'll usually have an agreed upon limit so that both players are, at least in theory, on roughly equal ground.

It sort of varies depending on the community but as I said points seems to be the most common.

>> No.56464765

>>56464760
Only one soulburst action per turn instead of every time a unit dies

>> No.56464767

assault phase rules are now more complex than ever in modern 40k

>> No.56464769

>>56464765
It's technically 4 soulburst actions during your turn. You just can't do the same soulburst action more than once a turn.

>> No.56464771

>>56464765
One of EACH action (1 shoot, 1 move, etc), but otherwise yes.

>> No.56464772

>>56464757
yeah pretty much, small battles are 1000pts and under, medium battles are 1500pts, standard battles are 2000pts. You can find out the point values of the units by reading the indexes/codexes of the different factions (last few pages normally)

>> No.56464773

>>56464765
Can actually make many soulbursts so long as they're a different one (shooting charge etc.)

Most Ynnari got everything out of one anyway so it's a bit of a blow. You'll still see them, but as a small detachment orbited by other Eldar.

>> No.56464784

>>56464764
>>56464772
Cool, thanks guys, I'll have to pick up some more units and continue reading through the codex, much appreciated for the help

>> No.56464785

>>56464769
>>56464771
>>56464773
I fucked up, I made that post from what I remembered.

Here's a screencap of the nerf>>56464606

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>>56464765
My sides have left the building. Get fucked Ynnari cunts, I always hated you and now I get the last laugh.

>> No.56464796

>>56464784
A fairly safe start is the Start Collecting! boxes which more or less make up a small army on their own.

>> No.56464799

>>56464773
I'm just glad they aren't objectively better than either DE or CWE anymore. There is an actual reason to play your army as the army you fucking bought it as.

>> No.56464806

>>56464796
I was going to pick up the Dark Imperium starter set to augment the First Strike one as well, It seems like a fairly decent deal for all the stuff you get. Or are the collecting boxes a better option?

>> No.56464818

>>56464806
It depends on what you want to play. If you want to play marines or death guard the Dark Imperium and First Strike are a good enough starting point. If other armies are what interest you then just start with them.

>> No.56464819

>>56464784
You're in luck, there should be some new easy to build death guard stuff coming out in the new few weeks. Welcome to the war heretic, you'll be purged soon enough

>> No.56464831

Can we talk about Admech melee units?

Which one is best for each role?

I feel like Ruststalkers combined with the Lucius teleport make for better deepstrike units than the sicarian infiltrators. Though I dunno how effective their range weapons are (30 shots at S4 vs 50 at S3 is also an interesting dilemma).

Syndonian Dragoons appear to be the best line breaker unit with their taser lances giving even gorillaman pause (210pts of dragoons has a decent chance of killing him in one round, imagine if the points were matched).

Do admech have an effective screening unit? Would it be ruststalkers or maybe fulgurites (or possibly corpruscarii if they get a round of shooting first)? I'm tempted to just run more guns to just wipe out whatever's coming, but the deepstrike meta doesn't make this very effective.

>> No.56464841

>>56464831
servitors are the manliest melee unit

>> No.56464843

>>56464818
Death Guards and Orks interest me greatly, so I'll start there then move to Orks, thanks dude.

>>56464819
I'm ready. Your Emperor won't be able to save you.

>> No.56464850

>>56464806
Dark Imperium is actually pretty good and the units you have from first strike would fit in fine, it helps if you can split the cost with someone if you dont need the marines.

>> No.56464853

>>56464831
Rustalkers are just bad. Like, really bad. Their whole thing is just getting mortal wounds on 6+ to wound but Electropriests do the same thing better and can get a 3++. Infiltrators end up just being a lot more reliable than Rustalkers and don't have to use up a command point.

Dragoons are really good, especially if you combine them with the Conqueror protocol on a big unit so their lances do 3 hits on 4+.

>> No.56464858

Hey 40kg, I finally finished my space marine army yesterday, gonna give it the first run today. How badly am I gonna get cucked?
Mantis Warriors (White Scar CT)
1999/2000
7 CP

Battalion
>Captain with Sword and Bolter
>Lieutenant with Jumppack, Fist and combimelta

>5 Tacticals with Plasma and Combiplasma, dedicated transport Lascannon Razorback
>5 Tacticals with Plasma and Combiplasma, dedicated transport Lascannon Razorback
>5 Tacticals with Plasma and Combiplasma, dedicated transport Lascannon Razorback

>3 Bikes with triple plasma/combiplasma
>3 Bikes with triple melta/combimelta


Vanguard Detatchement
>Captain on Bike with Storm Shield and Teeth of Terra relic

>2 Veteran biker bodyguards with power axes and storm shields
>5 Terminators with an assault cannon
>5 Terminators with an Assault cannon
>2 Ironclad Dreadnoughts with Chainfists, meltaguns and Hurricane Bolters

Whats the best warlord trait for this? Should I switch to a different chapter tactic? Any other suggestions on not getting fucked over automatically for playing 10 Terminators?

>> No.56464866

>>56464831
Ruststalkers are just terrible. Never use them. The mortal wound gimmick just isn't worth it.

Fulgurites are probably the best AdMech melee unit point for point, and actually are pretty amazing units that hold up well against other armies' melee too.

Sydonians are the best unit for harassing but it looks like you already know how to use them.

You're kind of SOL for screening units that aren't just tactically-positioned, disposable Vanguard.

>> No.56464870

>>56464858
>finished
what do you mean? i hope you don't mean what i think you mean

>> No.56464876

>>56464866
Honestly at this point Rangers are a better disposable screen than Vanguard since they're cheaper.

>> No.56464881

>>56464876
How much cheaper? Vanguard bring more shots for overwatch and the annoying -1 T thing. I guess if you just want bodies then use Rangers.

I actually don't play AdMech but I do play GK and my friend has had this exact conversation with me several times.

>> No.56464886

>>56464853
I did not consider that stratagem. That's actually kind of ridiculous. Looks like I'll buy some more dragoons.

After playing against nids I found the admech strats to be pretty disappointing, but this gives me new hope.

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Tau codex when?

>> No.56464889

>>56464858
stick to your dudes chapter tactic

>> No.56464894

>>56464870
What did you expect? Marine players are all homosexuals pedos.
After all they are basically playing with small men. In other words male children.

It disgust me that GW still sells them.

>> No.56464900

>>56464870
By finished I mean reached the 2k point limit by buying and building the second Ironclad dread yesterday.
Tho honestly, I dont really see the point in collecting more than a 2k army. I also have more than 2k of nids and GKs respectively, but honestly want to sell whatever I dont need/use for my lists.

>> No.56464908

>>56464900
not finished until they're painted my man

>> No.56464912

>>56464881
They're only 1 point per model cheaper but they mostly end up doing the same damage as vanguard at range because their guns are S4 and their effect on a 6+ to wound is actually useful against all targets. Honestly they're both viable but the Ranger is slightly more efficient but really overwatch is unlikely to have any major impact unless you roll really well.

>> No.56464915

>>56464908
Well then no, by that definition they arent finished.

>> No.56464917

>>56464887
two thousand eighteen

>> No.56464921

>>56464887
>even the Tau have traps

>> No.56464940

>>56464886
We do have some really good stratagems. Tech adept combined with the Autocaduceus relic is really damn good. The doctrina stratagems are pretty useful and Machine Spirit Resurgent can be really good if used at the right time. Acquisition at any cost could be pretty handy too. Others like elimination volley are pretty nice to.

Our stratagems are sorta like the rest of the codex. We have a handful of really good things and then a lot of meh to pad it out.

>> No.56464954

>>56464921
is it a trap if it has a face vagina?

>> No.56464975

>>56464954
Well yeah, the face vagina is how you know it's a guy.

>> No.56464979

>>56464940
It's odd. DG have fewest stratagems yet they're all pretty good, except maybe the 3cp orbital bombardment stand in.

But even then Tyranids have loads and most are good.

I guess Ad Mech are just unlucky in that regard.

>> No.56465006

Been out of the loop the past few months.
I got 2k Dark Eldar and 2.5k Tau (lots of kroot).
Am I boned?

>> No.56465018

Anyone found a way to play Tau effectively yet? No Commander/gun drone spam.

>> No.56465024

>>56465018
You answered your own question.

>> No.56465032
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Why doesn't GW realize how much demand there is for new SoB models ?

>> No.56465036

>>56465006
Dark eldar strong but not tournament material.

>> No.56465041
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>Ynnari players

>> No.56465059
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>>56465041
Fucking kek, this is nearly as good as the Commissar nerf.

>> No.56465060

>>56465041
>i can't have fun if i lose

>> No.56465079

>>56463837

You could give it to Meganobz though. Or give them back Medi-Squigs for a 4+ ignore any wound.

>> No.56465094

>>56462365
New player here. What is the main benefit from melee Tyranids being able to fall back and charge in the same turn? I know flyers could shoot after falling back but what's the appeal for melee units?

>> No.56465106

>>56465094
It makes them impossible to screen against with chaff units, and if they keep getting the charge they'll keep going first, albeit at the price of eating multiple overwatches.

>> No.56465115

>>56465094
Units that charge always go first in melee, otherwise you alternate activating units so only half of your units might go first if you just leave them in assault.

>> No.56465118

>>56464394

Well that explains the Ynnari slapdown they just got.

>> No.56465131

>>56465018
kroot hounds+vespids, Longstrike+team of Nazi hammerheads, Firewarriors+Fireblades

>> No.56465154

>>56464940
I find Admech strats too situational.

Elimination volley is nice, but it forces you to bring destroyers AND beep boops. I don't want to have spend a bunch of dosh just to make a strat work.

Shit like Infoslave skull makes me mad when my CW Eldar can do the same thing but better if they're next to a farseer (free volley of reaper launchers or fire dragons anyone?). How many points of kataphrons would you have to bring to match that kind of firepower?

Sometimes I feel like the codex acts like canticles are really strong. Some are great, others kinda meh. 2CP to change them seems a bit much.

>> No.56465155

>>56464101
Maybe. But save some money and use Blood Warriors instead. They look much better.

>> No.56465187

>>56465154
Even the canticles tend to be mostly situational. Outside of Shroudpsalm or BotO there's almost no reason to pick anything else manually except maybe iron soul for morale re-rolls and even Shroudpsalm is literally negated by some units and bonuses. LotE needs a complete rework or to be activated whenever a untit comes within 1' of a unit instead of just units that start the battleround within 1".

>> No.56465207

>>56465006
Is your Dark Eldar built around darklight spam and fully mechanized? Then you’re good to go. Is it built around wych cults or pain engines? Then you’re screwed.

Tau are okay. Lots of people do commander spam, which is funny.

>> No.56465214

>>56465187
Shroudpsalm is nice when the lucius bonus is in effect. Makes skittles have a 3+ save when they would normally have a 5+.

>> No.56465252

>>56465214
I guess that's sort of my point, you can either pick to give everything a cover bonus or you can pick to roll a d6 for every unit within 1" of one of your units and hope you get a couple of 6s for a couple of mortal wounds.

I don't think I've ever played a game so far where I didn't pick shroudpsalm during the first battleround because there's almost no reason to pick anything else at the time.

>> No.56465324

>>56465018

I think the various stealth units came out of things a bit better than the others?

But no, it's an all shooting army with shit BS and mostly expensive units.

>> No.56465370
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56465370

http://cheap-n-fast.com

Any of you guys know anything about this site? I want DKoK mortar teams, but FW only sells the one team and I want all three variants.

>> No.56465413

/tg/ I need your help.
I've been playing black templars (as a secondary army) since 6th and they've really grown on me but my army composition seems to suck in the current meta. I have 30 crusaders and 30 neophytes, 2 land raiders (crusader ofc), a termie chaplain, an emps champ, a terminator assault squad (TH/SS), and a stormraven but nothing seems to fit into 1500pts anymore.
What should I get to amend this and also preferably help with the problem of anti-tank/monster that I face now.
Much appreciated

>> No.56465436

>>56465370
Chinaman recasters are cheaper.

>> No.56465472
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Will FW ever remake Krieg Grenadiers ?

>> No.56465485
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>>56465436
IF I ONLY FUCKING KNEW HOW!

>> No.56465500

>>56465485
There's literally an FAQ on yoyhammer about how to find emails and catalogs. It's not exceedingly difficult.

>> No.56465507

>>56465485
Look up yoyhammer, put on your big boy pants, and trawl through the shit till you fiind contacts

>> No.56465508

>>56465094
In addition to allowing you to avoid being bogged down by tarpit units it also allows units like carnifexes to pull out of and charge back into ongoing combats involving multiple units to continuously benefit from their charging bonuses.

>> No.56465523

>>56465507
That sounds like alot of work, but for my hobby I will do it.

>> No.56465533

>>56465207
Reavers any good? Forgot I bought about 20 of them, as well as 5 wracks, off my friend who was quitting cuz of 7E

>> No.56465607

>>56464394
The fuck is "Cust"?

>> No.56465612

>>56465607
Custodes

>> No.56465660

>>56464858
Anybody want to help a brother out? I'll probably be facing Altaioc Dark Reaper spam or conscripts+triple stormraven imperial soup...or possibly both

>> No.56465667

>>56465612
Huh thanks

>> No.56465724

>>56465006

Tau are a mess. Pretty much where Tyranids were in 7th in that the only tournament lists are made up of HQ spam.

>> No.56465748

>>56465041
Why not just, like, go back to dark/craftworld eldar?

>>56465059
Commissar nerf was geniune bullshit.

>> No.56465755
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>>56465724
Honestly, the irony is palpable. Taushitters were nerfed into oblivion, but they still cling to WAACfaggotry by running a boring monobuild that saves their faction from being complete trash.

Meanwhile Nidfags have shown their true colors so there is no net gain for the community at large

>> No.56465760

>>56465533
Reavers are pretty decent but they're way overcosted now due to them being good in 7th.
They're a kind C+/B- kinda unit.

>> No.56465765
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>>56465748
>t. Conscript spammer
It was completely justified. The only bullshit nerf was to SitNW. Stay salty Guardfag.

>> No.56465783

>>56465755

Well, I was a fairly moderate tau player and I've been demoralised from playing as them for the moment. I don't even particularly care if a codex is fairly low tier so long as the internal balance is decent and you can build a decent variety of valid lists.

>> No.56465788

>>56465765
But it didn't address any of the issues that were making guard ridiculously overpowered, which they still are, it just made commissars shit.

>> No.56465806

Thanks GW, for taking out the WAAC trash off my Eldar with the Ynnari nerf. Off to Ebay to buy nice models and delicious tears.

>> No.56465809

>>56465765
>SitNW
What's that?

>> No.56465817

>>56464430
Is this supposed to be 8th? Who/how the hell is playing Custodes?

That's like 3 models?

>> No.56465826

>>56465788
Except unlike Raw Recruits, nerfing Commissars actually DID address the major issue of Conscripts being immune to the mechanic that was supposed to be the Achilles' Heel of hordes. There is no denying that Guard are a crazy powerful army even without Conscripts, or even that Conscripts are viable even after the nerfs, but you'd have to be a genuine WAACfag in denial to say the Conshit meme didn't need killing, because it was a core component of all cancerous soup lists, never mind pure Guard.

>>56465809
Send In The Next Wave. GW made it cost reinforcement points, so now you pay both points and CPs to bring back a dead unit after it does, this as opposed to paying the same amount of points and just starting the game with both units.

>> No.56465841

Can't find a single Herald of Nurgle on GW store.

What's up with that?

>> No.56465860

>>56465826

In general, all summoning type abilities should just be represented as deep strike or outflank, set aside before the game starts. It's really the simplest way to get an actual benefit without getting more models than you paid for.

>> No.56465873

>>56465788

Taking >>56464394 at face value Guard are at best very strong in the right hands but seem to average out in the middle for most people.

>> No.56465914

>>56465841

>I can't find a fancy plaguebearer

Make one?

>> No.56465927

>>56465826
>Commissars actually DID address the major issue of Conscripts being immune to the mechanic that was supposed to be the Achilles' Heel of hordes.
Not really, a primaris psyker or even just a 20 point astropath does the same still.

>> No.56465936

>>56465927
For one unit per army, rather than everything in a bubble around an easily-spammed model. Which can also be denied. It's fine.

>> No.56466009

Not long ago I started w40k with my friends. Picked space marines like probablly everyone else that is starting. My collection consists of
2 Primaris Libarians 2 Primaris Lt ,3x10man units of Intercessors. 3x10 units of Hellblasters and 2x3man units of Aggressors. When we all started it was super fun, but now I noticed that with each game and each new model, specially big tank, my opponents buy it gets harder and harder to win. I am sure it is not just my army, lacking stuff, but also my skills as a general, that are the problem. So do people have any advice how to get better or how to deal with stuff like multiple flying Demon Princes or a lot of tanks, with the stuff I have right now.

>> No.56466039

>>56465936
It's really not and IG despretly need more nerfs to bring them in line with other factions. As an army they're still way too powerful.

Especially cadia and catachans, their chapter tactic needs to be completely changed to something not bullshit.

>> No.56466040

>>56466009
Get some manlets to support your big boys. Primariswing armies are shit, especially for anti-tank.

>> No.56466051

>>56466009
Marines lists that go full primaris are generally not good enough on their own. You probably have to shell out the shekels to purchase predators, dreadnoughts, or manlets with lascannons.

>> No.56466052

>>56465032
They don't do market research.

>> No.56466055

>>56466039
>the factions with plastic ranges get the best rules
Really gets the noggin joggin

>> No.56466056

>>56465755
>Nidfags have shown their true colours
What do you mean by this?

>> No.56466072

>>56466052
They do now.

>> No.56466086

>>56466056
WAACbugs crawling out of the woodwork.

Oppressed Nidfags from 7th claiming it's okay to be great this edition because of previous editions where they got shit on by muh Crudmeister. FYI Guardfags claimed this as well.

Obnoxious lorefaggot Nidposting about them being muh undefeated biggest threat has increased dramatically since the codex.

Shit like that.

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>>56466072
Since when? This is literally their attitude towards not doing it.

>> No.56466110

>>56465841
Astropaths can be 15 with a laspistol

>> No.56466148

>>56466051
>>56466040
What is a manlet marine? Could you also explain the primaris being bad thing. Is it bad for winning huge tournament, which I could live, or bad in general, what would be really bad, because right now or in the nearest future I don't really have money to buy more stuff. I could only afford the stuff I have, by buying second hand stuff.

>> No.56466160

>>56466148
It just a dumb meme thing. dont let it influence your army building

>> No.56466168

>>56466148
non primaris, "normal" marines

>> No.56466173

>>56466148

"Manlet" is a dumb meme people here have for non primaris based on them being shorter.

But yeah, I'd honestly steer clear of primaris for now, they're kinda a gimmick army the company are trying to cram down our throats, and the rules are mostly shit.

>> No.56466179

Whats a good anti-tank melee option for nids, assuming i am Behmoth?

>> No.56466180

>>56466148
>What is a manlet marine?
Non-Primaris. Tacticals, Devastators, shit like that. Primaris work best when they support a core of manlets, they don't have the numbers to go it alone, and they lack certain tools such as lascannons to compete solo, as you've noticed.

You can always get Marines for cheap on Ebay and as long as you're handy with your stripping agent of choice nobody will be any wiser once you repaint them.

>>56466160
>dont let it influence your army building
Primaris armies are shit, and that's a fact. Even Guilliman can't make them truly competitive.

>> No.56466191

>>56466180
>Primaris armies are shit
yeah, but if you like the models, and have fun with them then it dosent matter
i mean, your not a WAACfag right anon?

>> No.56466195

>>56466179

You know I'm not actually sure. I'm finding it surprisingly hard to find a unit that can take out a tank in one turn by punching it.

You could have old one eye lead a pack of carnifexes around as a pseudo-unit I guess?

>> No.56466210

>>56466195
I have OOE, and hes okay at it. jsut wish i had something more. might as well go 2 more fex's, one with CC, and one with 2X ST.

Whats a good second weapon for a CC fex would be the next question

>> No.56466211

>>56466148

If you want a unit that does really efficient anti-tank, maybe try a contemptor dreadnought with four Lascannons. Just download the forge world index and run it as the Contemptor Mortis variant.

>> No.56466215

>>56466090
Since Kirby fucked off and Rountree took over.

>> No.56466221

>>56466148
manlet is a meme word for short men
manlet marines = non-primaris marines

What they're saying is that a pure primaris army isn't great because they lack anti-tank among other things, that's also why >>56466051 said you'd have to but some manlets with lascannons (AKA devastator squads) if you want to be competitive

>>56466160
He asked how to deal with the tanks his opponents are using, people give him advice on how to deal with tanks, for which he will need non-primaris marines.
It's still up to him wether he takes the advice or not

>> No.56466223

>>56466191
There's a difference between being a WAACfag and not being completely retarded. Say what you like but you CANNOT just take whatever you like in this game and expect to have a good time.

I build my armies to be good at what they do but I only use models I like. My GK, for example, will never feature babycarriers even though they're the best thing about the codex right now.
There's a marked difference between that and both cherrypicking the best units or spamming the most powerful once, which is what WAACfags do, and just throwing darts at a board to build my army, which is what retards do.

By all means, play with what you find cool, but if you want to actually play the game more than just picking up your models every turn, you need to build a functional army out of your collection.

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>>56466086
Hello carnac, still hurt about chaos being BTFO?

>> No.56466239

>>56465032
That would require to do basic market research instead of just looking at the sum of sale

>> No.56466246

>>56466086
It is okay to be great, just not OP. Nids are good, no more, no less.

And at least half of those Nidposters were false flags.

>> No.56466258

>>56466246
>at least half of those Nidposters were false flags
no true scotsman again

>> No.56466259

Is there a standard way to convert a Hierodule (thus saving a lot of money) or have they been so weak there's no point?

>> No.56466264

>>56466226
Carnac doesn't even play the game, you douchebag.

>> No.56466275

>>56466168
ah ok. I though that primaris were considered normal marines, but then again am not very well versed in w40k lore. There is little to no books about it in my own language.

On the stay away from primaris stuff. Is it ok for me to play primaris as something else,Lets say as those manalets marines? Thing is I don't really have rules for other stuff then the primaris. I could download the space marine codex, but am 99% sure the shop owner would kick me out, if I tried to use it.

And again am not looking in to the best army in the world right now, I imagine that would cost a lot. I just don't want to get over run by stuff. One of my friends started with the DG stuff, at first we had a ton of fun playing against each other. Now it is just him having fun. He just has so many overlaping auras, and those multiple demon princes are impossible to kill with shoting or melee. Last night we had a game night and he made a bet, that he can beat me without shoting and with me using all my models. his side had no terrain I had bunkers and trenchs, and he still rolled over me and at the end of turn 6, I had 1 agressor and 1 Librarian left. I want to avoid such games in the future.

>> No.56466294

>>56466180
I don't plan to paint the models. I was never very good at art stuff, plus the price of paints and brushs was mind blowing. A basic set of paints cost just as much as a box of dudes, and I would rather buy a box of models to play with, then pay to make my models look ugly.

>> No.56466299
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>>56466226
>Carnac boogeyman
Haven't seen him in weeks. Hopefully he fucked off elsewhere.

Chaosfaggotry is par for the course, it's just as insufferable but everyone accepts it as a fact of 40k. Chaoscucks are huge fedorabeards who constantly spout about Chaos being undefeatable, an image Carnac and ADB support. Do you really want to be like them? Because you're being like them.

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How long before you assblasted faggots stop being salty over Tau being good for a while. Watching you all spaz out when they went from being shit to being bullshit was entertaining for a while but that ship has long sailed. GW nerfed the shit out of them and took away most of what made the army unique resulting in them being even worse off than they were back in 4th.

>> No.56466304
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>>56466258
>>56466086
I have been telling you for years that Tyranidfags are pure cancer and that the Tyranids have no place in the setting but nobody believed me until now. I am just glad that people's eyes are opening up to the crudeness of the Tyranid fanbase.

In other news, this is coming out in like 8 hours. A book that is centered around the Tyranid defeat at Baal. Also it's a book which states that Chaos is far greater than the Tyranids can ever be. Good times ahead, gentlemen.

>> No.56466318

>>56466304
t. Carnac

>> No.56466320

>>56466179
toxicrenes and venomthropes are actually suprisingly good, wound on 5s (strength 4 and 7 respectivly) rerolling failures gives them a little over 50% chance to wound and d3 damage each with tons of attacks.

>> No.56466324

>>56466211
Ok, what is a forge world index. Is it something new, I know there are two imperium ones, I should technicly own. But I can't find a forgeworld index on the GW site.

>It's still up to him wether he takes the advice or not
Isn't there a way to deal with demon princes or tank with the stuff I have, like some sort of primaris update or something. my friend got a ton of new stuff in the new chaos codex. Characters and different demon princes etc.

>> No.56466337
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>>56466303
Nobody really cares about Tau crunch in 7th, because Eldar were better.
What made the faction so easy to hate was the fact that cockmongling WAACunts like you naturally gravitate towards the faction. People hate the Tau playerbase more than they hate Tau.

Enjoy your unusable army fampai.

>> No.56466346

>>56466304
Hey Carnac.

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>>56466337
>mfw i have roughly 3k of infantry/kroot tau and only one minimum squad of most suits

>> No.56466369

>>56466180
Why am i not finding cheap second hand models on ebay at all? All of them are either slightly below the GW price or slightly above it.
When i look at batch army posts bastards that are selling them think their horrible painting actually improves upon the price and you either get a higher price or as i said slightly lower that it is not worth stripping, etc.

>> No.56466371

>>56466324
The Forge World index is for Forge World units and its sold in the forge world site, completly optional unless you want to play Death Korps of Krieg and more exotic stuff like titans and most super heavies.

>> No.56466393

>unique army
wow it's nothing

>> No.56466399

>>56466371
I would rather stay away from optional stuff. If it ain't legal, no one here is going to let me play with it.

>> No.56466405

>>56466337
Thanks for highlighting my point.

>WAACunts like you
>Enjoy your unusable army fampai.

Implying I haven't already spent 6 years playing Tau as a shit tier army back in 4th/5th.

>> No.56466433

>>56466399
Its legal, the place is owned by GW. And i don't know about people not wanting to play with or against FW stuff, but truth be told i just got back to building an army in 8th so there's that.

>> No.56466439

>>56466405
If you like Tau, you're either a WAACshitter who picked them up post-Riptide, or a weeb who unironically liked their aesthetic when they were shit. One is not much better than the other.

Unless you play with zero suits and several auxiliary units, which has always been the patrician way to play Tau. Then you're sometimes tolerable. 8th is good because it made this a decent way to play them, too.

>> No.56466445

>>56466399
Forgeworld is official, they just specialize in particular models.
Most forgeworld models are really big vehicles and flyers, things that have a demand but not so much that casting them in plastic would be worth it.
They use something called resin instead, which is why I would not recommend it for beginners because it's a lot harder to work with

>> No.56466447
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He looks pretty good.

>> No.56466457

>>56465032
Because they know it's just a very vocal but actually tiny minority.

>> No.56466461
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>>56466445
>resin is harder
>mfw i prefer working with resin

>> No.56466493

>>56466433
>>56466445
Actually some stores do ban ForgeWorld, my local store does.

>> No.56466509

>>56462902
It sucks that older models seem kind of goofy now in comparison to primaris models. Not sure what it is, maybe just the size, but I actually don't like my older models as much anymore.

>> No.56466511

>>56466368
3k Infantry, 3 ghostkeels and 15 stealth suits.
Don't really bother with the other models too much

>> No.56466516

>>56466445
>things that have a demand but not so much that casting them in plastic would be worth it
Not the reason.

>>56466461
Absolute madman.

>> No.56466531

>>56464394
>ynnari didnt need a ner-

>> No.56466537

>>56466447
Rules in 40k for mercs, gangers, bounty hunters and assorted scum given the UNALIGNED tag when?

>> No.56466545

>>56462933
You'd think they'd be unbeatable though. They're supposed to evolve at an alarming rate and adapt to new tactics on the fly yet they still.... lose?

>> No.56466554

>>56462429
What's Sammys Statline?

>> No.56466565

>>56462469
Oh god the Miniwargaming Nurglenids has arrived!

>> No.56466574

>>56466537
kroot mercs pls

>> No.56466575

>>56463058
Any merit to this? I held off on buying the 7th ed BA codex but seeing as 8th ed is relatively new I fully intend to purchase it and I'm pretty gimped against my friend's DG list right now. I mean I guess it's a good thing because before I was winning 9/10 games and now I'd say I have a 50/50 chance (if my friend would read his damn rules and stop making me interpret them for him!) so that's not too bad of a thing. I obviously prefer winning but I assume my friend isn't a fan of constantly losing.

>> No.56466588

>>56466516
>Not the reason.
What is the reason then, because I'm pretty sure resin is cheaper and therefore it's possible to break even with less sales

>> No.56466626

>>56466516
>absolute madman
Not until i buy a tantalus, anon

>> No.56466641

>>56466588
Sure resin molds are cheaper, but they use that material because the company's genesis was in oversized models, for which resin was, and is, a much more practical material to use.

>>56466626
>DE player prefers resin
Only makes you even more of a madman. I don't even want to think about curing those spindly details, and I'm a man who's worked on everything resin up to and including Titans.

>> No.56466712

>>56464328
Exorcists have Daemons possess their new recruits and then exorcize them to grant permanent resistance to Chaos. Those who get corrupted are killed.

>> No.56466718

If I'm running AdMech and want to use the Deimos color scheme, what dogma would I use?

>> No.56466729

>>56466718
Lucius, no question. They're all about those teleporters.

>> No.56466731

>>56466641
>Only makes you even more of a madman. I don't even want to think about curing those spindly details, and I'm a man who's worked on everything resin up to and including Titans.
No kidding. Dark Eldar are annoying enough to assemble when it's just plastic, and those finecast models we have are an absolute nightmare to assemble and keep in one piece.

>> No.56466758

>>56466718
It's a Martian moon, right?
Mars.

>> No.56466764

>>56464390
mo one has a basement?

>> No.56466788

>>56466758
Orbits Titan, so no. They also aren't zealots.


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>>56466777
Lucky trips
>>56466777
Lucky thread
>>56466777

>> No.56466797

>>56462874
It's been shown that Tyranids can't recover if the initial strike against them hits hard enough. Otherwise, they can adapt.

>> No.56466818

>>56466788
Literally taken from Mars and sent to Titan.
I guess it's more of a philosophical debate, but is an American who moved to China Chinese now?

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>>56466447
Compare

>> No.56466858

>>56466818
Yeah, but Mars is Mars because it literally creates the Martian dogma it adheres to so rigidly. Martians are incredibly faithful. Regardless of Deimos' origins, they have their own culture, and it's one of secrecy and a predilection for teleportation tech to mirror the GK they often go into battle with. Thus, Lucius, for their stratagem,

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>>56463711
>brew the ultimate plague in Nurgle's name
I now want a 40k movie based on this

>> No.56466907

>>56464772
>standard battles
>2000 points
Christ, I think everything I own equates to like 1,500 points

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>>56464843
Welcome to the hobby

>> No.56467141

can someone enlighten me on insanity in rogue trader please ?
can't join my gm and the rulebook is blocked by my sysadmin

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