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>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their decks strategy and card choices.

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the the internet.

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commanders color identity.


>Official search site. Current for all sets.

>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.

>Thread question
What are your house rules?

>> No.56379684

The only house rules my LGS uses is partial Paris mulligan still if people are ok with it.

>> No.56379698

House rules are if someone starts to masturbate with an infinite or pseudo infinite then you can go and take a shit and get a drink and start shuffling for the next one.

>> No.56379765

Pretty much any monored commander works with a "fuck you and your nonbasic lands" package, right?

I was thinking about building Lovisa this way

>> No.56379798

Can anyone give me a budget Ayli decklist?

>> No.56379895

If I start to go off with storm or Karador or anything like that I offer to bow out of the game and let everyone else finish it out if I didn't like nuke someone's board first.

>> No.56379900

My group allows you to reorginize generic mana.
For example if you cast a spell that cost R3 and you used RRGG but you find you need G for another spell and you have avalible B you can tap B and untap G so you can continue.

You just have to let everyone know what you are doing.

>> No.56379920

Yeah, and depending on meta it can be great. Or it can do absolutely nothing. The package is about four cards (blood/magus moon, ruination, price of progress) but it totally fucks you if people aren't running many non-basics, and it weakens your deck too, since you don't want to run non-basics. So it makes cards like valakut, scrying sheets, maze, and other much needed utility lands in monored harder to run

>> No.56379995

30 life unless otherwise agreed upon so the combat step actually matters early
Prize night on Saturday (everyone brings a bulk rare, winner takes the pot after three victories). Unofficial cEDH night, heavily proxied decks allowed for newer players to still have fun
Mana Crypt banned
LabMan and Hermit banned to keep Saturdays interesting (the Oloro faggot is still mad he got outvoted 8-2 on it)
Biorhythm unbanned
Select silver-bordered cards allowed as long as stated beforehand, such as Grimlock and The Cheese Stands Alone
90 seconds for a normal turn, 45 for an extra turn. Go over the timer and you have to exile a land (again, Oloro faggot)
Drinks closed-top and on the floor
Either take the free full mulligan, or you’re allowed to mull up to two cards partially and draw one, then scry one. Normal mulligans afterwards.
Trade binders come out between games and only between games
Flip a coin to decide which way the table rotates for turns

I feel like a fucking babysitter sometimes

>> No.56380040

I've yet to have someone complain about my proxy of Temple of Malice that is a normal magic card I sharpied on.

So I guess that's a houserule.

>> No.56380045
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to the guy asking about hapatra last thread, this is more or less the list i was running


>> No.56380068

thank you anon

>> No.56380074

Exile two cards from hand to search for a basic land. It's only one card if you don't have all your deck's lands yet.

>> No.56380109

>dark confidant
also this deck is so fragile it almost hurts

>> No.56380110
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Can this with 99 swamps be viable? Maybe with some artifact for some light voltroning?
I thought of doing this for shenanigans.

>> No.56380131

Yes, I run it in Godo and it can really fuck people over

>> No.56380153

No one is going to complain about a proxied Temple. Dual or shock, maybe, but I'd be surprised if people weren't fine with ETB tapped duals

>> No.56380166

>Thread question
When someone demonstrates an infinite combo that would win them the game, they win leave the table and the game proceeds as if they never combo'd off.
Funnily enough this wasn't enforced ever, its just the one guy who played combo was a massive bro and said "okay so this is how i win, you guys have fun" and went to the shop down the road.

>> No.56380168

i had bob on the list instead of phyrexian arena because you can pitch him to survival/fauna shaman and because there's more enchantment removal in my meta than creature removal

triskelion is there solely for the mike and trike combo

the nooze combo is somewhat fragile, yes, but you've got the aforementioned mikaeus+triskelion to fall back on, as well as nooze+devourer and blowfly infestation+blood artist

>> No.56380180

too slow, too easy to disrupt

>> No.56380197

>House rules.

We are pretty casual about most things, so we switch around Mulligan rules almost every game, we allow for cracking fetches/Steve early just to save time on the search and shuffle, and know you have it out as a blocker (so often that we gave it the nick name "quantum state steve", since it exists as both a land and a blocker until observed).

We're also pretty relaxed on take backs, as long as no one reveals any hidden information.

>> No.56380201

infect Hapatra is just faster and more consistent

>> No.56380220

not really

>> No.56380240

What the fuck? Why?

>> No.56380253

I want to build red/green
Current decks:
karamerta landfall
phenax walls

who should i build? I was thinking about either angry omnath or wort the conspirator, any suggestions?

>> No.56380266

left is law, man. turn order is always clockwise where i play. close-top drink is a good rule, i will adopt this.

>> No.56380304

there are like 5 playable infect creatures in the colors. i suppose your main win con would be triumph of the hordes but hapatra needs some creatures to play off of to get a big enough snake swarm to get that going.

>> No.56380315

Fetchlands, even cheap ones like Evolving Wilds, are a must. Two Landfall triggers for the price of one.

>> No.56380365

ever heard of proliferate/pump spells?

>> No.56380377
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I need help /edhg/! I built a Gitrog.deck and it's no fun for me, it's too straight forward with combos n shit. So i am going to rebuild it, im thinking 5-colour lands. Im having a hard time finding wincons, any ideas? Maze's End?

>> No.56380382

Do you start shuffling while taking a shit?

>> No.56380423

sounds slow, inconsistent, and heavily reliant on bad 3-4 drops with no evasion surviving for a turn and then being unblocked

if you want to play golgari infect varolz is a lot better

>> No.56380429

>What are your house rules?
No silver bordered cards.

"From Outside the Game" effects do nothing.

Normal (Sheldon) Ban list, nothing else is banned or unbanned.

First mulligain is free.

Concession entitles you to sweep up all your cards and leave the table but leaves a ghost player behind who does nothing but pass priority until they lose the game properly. If ever only one non-conceded player remains in game, it's over, last man standing doesn't need to finish his 8 year combo to be declared the winner.

>> No.56380470

Your playgroup certainly seems interesting, I'd totally play in it.

>> No.56380480

Your decks are way too slow, build Xenagos and go fast

>> No.56380482


Door to Nothingness??

>> No.56380507

sounds like my group's house rules except we just give people free mulls until they have a playable hand

we're fortunate enough to not have dicks that abuse that privilege

>> No.56380519

Anyone got a competitive Padeem list?

>> No.56380574


>> No.56380604

and a fun one?

>> No.56380617

Because the game is over but some people don't like dying to some jack off combo so I let them get out whatever mass attacking game they want to play and I know that my deck worked and I won.

>> No.56380627

Im actually building a similar deck but sticking with gitrog. In both cases Thespian Stage + Dark Depths is decent as far as non combo goes. Mazes End is spicy. As far as gitrog goes, mine will probably become secret commander Volraths Stronghold.

>> No.56380736
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What do you think is the most powerful edh deck?
superfriends is the best one IMO

>> No.56380744


>> No.56380752

flashhulk or storm.

>> No.56380760

Hahaha no. A hard combo list is going to be the "best". Which combo list is probably up for debate, but it'll be a combo deck for certain. Superfriends is slow and durdly, it's not that good in the grand scheme.

>> No.56380774

any deck running ad nauseum

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>most powerful
>superfriends, the definition of do-nothing-important-without-doubling-season
um, I've got bad news for you my guy
It's probably FCT idk

>> No.56380806

sisay paradox engine chain veil 'walkers can at least get infinite planeswalker activations on turn 6 but that's still way too slow to keep up with any real cedh decks

>> No.56380851
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Is there a viable burn-based commander that isn't a one trick pony?

>> No.56380893


>> No.56380908

there are so many things you can do with neheb's mana

your problem is with burn, not the commanders you try to run it in

>> No.56380915

How is Tazri anything resembling tier 1? I'm assuming you just don't ever cast him but then why not list any of the better 5c commanders

>> No.56380937

tazri is a deck where you generate infinite mana through other means and then tazri is your infinite mana dump

>> No.56381002

We like to keep it spontaneous, and like the life rule, we usually keep it out if people new to the group are present.

Speaking of rotations, a couple of us are thinking of doing a “loaner” night where everyone at the table keeps their commander hidden, passes their deck to the left and then flips them over. I think it would be good for getting newer players more chances to explore different deck styles, any thoughts?

>> No.56381004

Huh, that's funny, never heard of such a thing. I guess it makes sense though. Do you even have 1 ally to tutor for in the deck?

>> No.56381056

should i get the c17 vamp deck for ~35 bucks?
i mainly want the goad sorc, mathas and teferis protection but path to ancestry seems nice as well. and you can never have too many swords & sol rings.
EU not US btw.

>> No.56381062

your infinite mana combo uses Food Chain

once you generate the mana, cast Tazri to get Hagra Diabolist, Halimar Excavator, or Kalastria Healer

cast them, then exile and recast Tazri to your Food Chain repeatedly until everyone else at the table is dead.

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>> No.56381102

when my LGS added a terrible points system that gave a bunch of points every time you saved someone else from dying or wrathed a big board of creatures, a friend of mine put her at the front of a deck that was all fogs and wraths to prove to the judge who runs the event how abusable his points system was

>> No.56381116

The guy who does it does each step individually instead of asking if we respect the fact it goes infinite and skip straight to the outcome. He'll say "using my x I do y" until the game is over. It was fine the first couple of times, and even helped me learn about how the interaction and mechanism of the deck worked.
When he tutors it almost every game and does it every time it's a bit boring.

I give myself a shuffle if you know what I'm saying.

>> No.56381154

this guy is $3 now. breddy nice

>> No.56381293

MVP in gitrog. well worth the 5$ i spent a year back.

>> No.56381321

>5 vs 3 bucks
whew lad

>> No.56381345

Sisay with Paradox Engine.

How you gonna do shit when I've got a billion legendaries out like Teeg and Dromoka?

Also it's a fun deck to build as an "Archenemy" EDH of 1v3.

>> No.56381355


Tazri is a strong independent woman who don't need no man.

>> No.56381360

neheb eggstorm

>> No.56381363

why not just get chain veil and walkers and go infinite right then and there?

>> No.56381370

Well he was pushing about 7 as of late, still a nice reprint. It's no all star, but ob is great in a lot of decks.

>> No.56381403

What combination of GW walkers goes infinite with the veil?

>> No.56381472

paradox engine, OG garruk, serra's sanctum, gaea's cradle

after that you shit every legendary and planeswalker in your deck into play and have enough planeswalker activations stored up to ult them all 4 or 5 times

you need whitemane lion or something similar to go infinite with paradox engine but it's really easy to dig for when you have 15+ ajani unyielding activations and there are only 50 cards left in your deck

>> No.56381600

Most of those have almost no impact on you running nonbasic lands.

Blood/Magus Moon just turn them into mountains, giving you essentially the same result.

Stuff like From the Ashes just lets you replace the nonbasics. Ruination still hurts at lot though.

>> No.56381616

No. The second printing should be out soon/now, which should drop prices.

Also, unless the total cost of the cards you want is greater than the cost of the deck, it is not worth it to guy the whole thing just for a few cards.

>> No.56381897

are there any parallel lives/token multiplier effects in UB?

>> No.56381999

How do you guys deal with old douchebags who refuse to let you explain rulings to them because they assume they know everything? There's no judge for me to call

>> No.56382013

Closest thing you've got is Clone Legion.

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>> No.56382200

>Aether Flash
>doesn't have Flash
Also why is Magus of the Abyss in a list of red punisher cards?

>> No.56382247


I remember the original picture being bigger, with black and rakdos cards too

maybe it's a bad crop

>> No.56382292

Probably meant as a Mogis rec list.

>> No.56382324

Pull it up the verbatim Wizards ruling on your phone and show it to them

Then take a giant shit on their playmat and make them eat the shit

>> No.56382409

It's part of the game. If you can't stop them from assembling then combo then you lose. To move on like nothing happened when you were beaten is unacceptably autistic.

>> No.56383304

>Also it's a fun deck to build as an "Archenemy" EDH of 1v3.

My group has done Archenemy EDH and it's pretty fun depending on who's playing. Basically we've all built a tier 1/1.5 commander that we play against three 2/2.5/3 commanders and see if we can't beat the Archenemy.

The true fun of building a top tier deck.

>> No.56383371

That's stupid and gay.
>H-hey guys, here's my tier 1 deck, haha, guess it's archenemy!
>everyone blows their load stopping you
>deck loses
>no one draws an answer early
>fast combo deck goes off and wins

>> No.56383447

Retrying from last thread:
After like 2 months of saying I would I finally did it. I uploaded my BUG Sidisi list to tapped out and would love any advice/help.


I already know some obvious replacements like Greed with Erebos or Cancel with Counterspell but any other obvious upgrades would be helpful.

I also want to fit in:
Villianous Wealth
Cyclonic Rift
Vraska the unseen

I also want to add a Cabal+Urborg Package to take advantage of the x cost spells

Thank y'all in advance.

>> No.56383458

>>H-hey guys, here's my tier 1 deck, haha, guess it's archenemy!

Except that's not how it works when everyone agrees to the idea you mong. Stop being a pauperfag.

>> No.56383475

Im gonna agree with this guy. Tier 1 decks are meant to go off and win super early. Archenemy is made to be oppressive and stop the other 2-3 decks from winning but still giving a chance that isn't "Did you guys draw counter by turn 5? No? Oh okay i win"

>> No.56383520

>tfw bring up strong deck
>playgroup knows it's strong
>other players also pick strong decks, but it's not AS strong (Say mine is tier 1.5 and theirs tier 2)
>one or two players just keep up mana and hand full of counterspells the entire game, not doing anything, just making sure I never get to resolve anything at all
>devoting every single resource to fucking me over, like wastelanding my land turn 1 when they only have 2 lands in their own opening hand, essentially throwing themselves out of the game
>other strong deck combos off instead with no resistance

I hate it, because they aren't playing to win. They are right in that I am the biggest threat, but that doesn't mean others cease to be one entirely.

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Who is the best commander to helm a grixis, artifact-themed deck?

>> No.56383535

>"Did you guys draw counter by turn 5? No? Oh okay i win"

So archenemy?

>> No.56383562

Not in my experience.

>> No.56383596

I've never played a game of Archenemy where the Archenemy didn't win because of the Archenemy cards that are overpowered as fuck.

I'd rather 3v1 Sisay and hope someone draws artifact removal/counter than play actual Archenemy.

>> No.56383601

Sounds like a normal Tier 1 game actually.

>> No.56383632

It means you should stop playing such a faggy lil deck you fag.

>> No.56383674

Except my playgroup is also playing such faggy decks.

>> No.56383683

had a similar issue today where my Doran deck of all things got hated out by an edgar deck while gitrog and alesha were allowed to go off because I beat him once with it. This is the same guy who bitches about how stupid my deck is no matter what I play so idk what I should've expected

>> No.56383684


Mishra, just throw a possibility storm in there too.

>> No.56383728

I wish people in this general could understand that every playgroup/meta is different.

Mine's filled with old timers who've got Tier 1 shit but than have Tier 2.5/3 to play against weaker decks.

It's a pretty good playgroup where everyone understands power levels and not to play something like Teferi against something like Hapatra.

>> No.56383856

Mr. Jank

>> No.56384039
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Really wondering how to build this guy for multiplayer. Any thoughts?

>> No.56384116


>> No.56384239

oh i thought they were done for & out of print already
thanks for the heads up

>> No.56384279

So i'm building Rakdos, Lord of Riots to quell my thirst for casting big dudes and beating face. What are some decent ways to protect against board wipes? Giving Soul of New Phyrexia a shot.

>> No.56384308

Anybody here experienced theft within a playgroup?
How'd you deal with it?
Were you able to find out the thief?

>> No.56384325

So it looks like every pack of Unstable will have a foil full art token. Half of them will be tokens for Unstable, but the others will be regular tokens, like 3/3 Beasts and whatnot.

>> No.56384466

Probably doesn't count but I took a friend's avacyn to mess with him once but somehow lost it in the apartment. I felt really bad about it so I just bought him another one

>> No.56384564

>to mess with him


Did your friend found out it was you who took the card?

>> No.56384622

Nope, it's just a running gag in the group that we just hide each other's crap; no one is maliciously going around taking things from people

>> No.56384627

My first standard deck got stolen within a week of making it, many years ago.

Over two years later, a guy in my playgroup suddenly had playsets of pretty much the entire deck for trade in his binder. This is a guy who pretty much never buys cards, only plays commander, suddenly having full playsets of Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas, Mox Opal, Darkslick Shores, Steel Overseer etc long after the cards have gone out of standard.

I had no proof, and lots of time had passed, I asked him where all these great cards suddenly came from and he said he found them when sorting his collection. I didn't do anything about it due to me not having any further evidence, and the accusation would likely damage our playgroup a lot. Either way, after that I made sure to never leave anything unattended near him.

He likely hid it, then found it again when sorting through his collection and decided enough time had passed that he could pass them off as his own.

He has stopped playing MtG now though.

>> No.56384689

I was on the fence about buying a box but now I probably will.

>> No.56384747

I was in a playgroup that met up every once in a while. They coordinated meet ups over those group messenger things.

After one of those meet ups, my car was broken into and specifically my box with rares and backpack was stolen. Lesson learned.

>> No.56384812

Do you think they were involved?

>> No.56384845


i play lovisa myself and stop playing ruination and blood moon because i was focused everygame
u can play lovisa as an enchantment and lot of creatures plus purphoros and ETB dmg

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>u can play lovisa as an enchantment

>> No.56385139

Did another player lose something while your suspect was still in your playgroup?

>> No.56385164

>What are your house rules?
We vote whether or not banned cards can be used. So far it hasn't led to anything stupid.

>> No.56385187

Two times I've had friends lose their decks, we play at a decently sized LGS though, and I haven't seen any of the cards from their decks in his collection, so it was most likely a one-off thing.

>> No.56385224

Oh, I thought you guys were playing in someone's house.
I do think it's really easier to lose stuff in a LGS.
If theft goes down in someone's house it just feels vile.

>> No.56385334

My guess would be Mikaeus and Cauldron of Souls and mass reanimation.

Honestly, in rakdos colors, you're probably better off playing around the wraths rather than trying to counter them directly. Ramp lots and draw lots so that you can rebuild after the wipe. A lot of people pack exile wraths or tuck wraths specifically to get around Avacyn and her ilk.

>> No.56385407

So everything i'm already running, alright.

Is Mike good enough in Rakdos? I never thought to include him in the list. I'll probably play with it a bit before I decide what I do and don't like, though.

>> No.56385471

Sorry, it's the best I can recommend. I've never played rakdos colors but that's been my strategy in mono-black anyway.

Personally, I don't like Mike that much but it does fit what you were asking for

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I don't know what to build, fuck.

I finished my Mono-Green Bullshit Factory deck (to great results) and that was really my last project but I still have the deckbuilding bug. I wish there was a good Rakdos Reanimator or Control commander

>> No.56385625

I've got a control deck going here. It runs a few complete board wipes that remove all nonland permanents. There are only a few of these wipes but there are a lot of artifacts and enchantments in my group. Does it make sense for me to use ramp assuming that's its virtually inevitable that I destroy them anyway?

I'm thinking it does because it can give me a leg up for counters and other boardwipes until I have enough land that it doesn't really matter whether or not I have artifacts or not as I can cast all my crap anyhow.

>> No.56385676

Play a different deck.

>> No.56385709

What's wrong with silver bordered?


X spells Mizzex.

Burn a nibba in the face for 40.

Burn the next nibba for 82.

>> No.56385723

What colors are you in?

>> No.56385724

ew. That sounds horrible.

I am sorry for you and your scene anon.

>> No.56385726
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Quick rules question. If I redirect more damage to a creature than it has toughness, does it still take it all? Or does it take it in 1 damage increments?

>> No.56385742


Esper but might go UW

>> No.56385748

Each redirection is a separate ability on the stack. Once a creature takes so much damage that it dies it stops being a legal target and further stacked abilities will fizzle.

>> No.56385782

So afterwords the En-Kor creature takes the rest?

>> No.56385807

Yeah unless you can redirect somewhere else.

>> No.56385820

Ramping is always good, even when you play on clearing the board. You just need enough card draw/tutoring to take advantage of that mana so you're not out of cards after wiping the board.

>> No.56385829

So stuffy doll > boros reckoner

>> No.56385841

Makes sense. I figure they'd mainly be there to keep me in control early on. Later I can just use land to wipe and out value the hell out of the table.

>> No.56386003

Farhaven Elf - - Wood Elves

Krosan Tusker - - Anything

Mystic Snake - - Anything(I'd just cut this because holding GUU is pretty inconvenient most of the time.

Tiagam - - Anything

Wight of Precint 6 - - Nighthowler/Splinterfright(I really like splinterfright) Morivore is nice if you want regen. Boneyard Wurm is ok.

Cabal + urbog is great. If you get them, run crop rotation.

Get a fake crucible of worlds my dude. + Cracklands.

Phyrexian Reclamation is $2.

>> No.56386086

>points system

That's the gayest shit ever. It's a way to force people to not build hyper competitive decks. But it just makes the games unplayable lmao.

>> No.56386196

You don't know how mizzix works do you?

>> No.56386212

You don't know that 99% of mizzex decks run a plorific amount of ploliferate cards do you?

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>> No.56386251

Cunt. There aren't enough to get you from 40 to 82.

>> No.56386271

Do you think proliferate doubles counters or something?

>> No.56386334

R u for real

they told me /tg/ was bad at magic but

just read the card holy shit.

for EACH


ON THE PERMANENT(or player, such as oh I don't know, experience counters?)

each counter is duplicated, so doubling them, yes? You following?

Say you have 40 counters.

Burn for (Burn sbell with RRX) 40.

Mizzex procs, gaining an experience counter, then ploliferate procs, bringing mizzez experience counters to 82.

Then burn for 82 + casting cost.


>> No.56386362

no you fucking retard
prolif means that you get one kind of each TYPE of counter

so if you have a poison and an experience counter you can get one of each not double the experience counters

>> No.56386372

You add +1 of any type of counter among ones already existing. It counts kinds of counters, not counters themselves.

>> No.56386377

Damn, /tg/ *is* terrible at Magic today. Proliferate's text is as follows: "You choose any number of permanents and/or players with counters on them, then give each another counter of a kind already there." This is extremely clear: you get one counter of each kind that exists. Since experience is only one kind of counter, Proliferate effects give you precisely one extra counter per Proliferate effect.

Next time you want to be a condescending cockthirster on /tg/, try doing it with something you know something about.

>> No.56386389


Btfo cunt never play my waifu again

>> No.56386406
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Thoughts on my Skullbriar EDH list? I have never seen one in person even after the tuck rule was changed.


>> No.56386439


Do you have a Mizzix deck you have been cheating with Anon?

>> No.56386483

But that's wrong you fucking autist

>> No.56386799
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Inspiration has struck recently and I'm eager to build a theme deck once again, however, I'm really not sure how to go about it.

What I'm trying to replicate:

I'm specifically showing you the relatively anticlimactic version from NMH1 for a specific reason: I know who's at the helm, but not how I'm going to build up the deck. It's well outside of my usual range.

In the commander slot, I'm going to have either Ludevic and Ishai, or Ludevic and Vial Smasher. I'm pretty unhappy that I can't use Ishai off of my own spells, since that would be the most perfect fit for the deck, but I'll just have to make do. With Vial Smasher, the flavor takes a bit of a hit (the theme of piling on +1/+1s until you're able to nuke someone's face off is great), but it's way more suitable to a damage-y, chaos-y spellslinger theme, and it's easier to combo with.

Any suggestions on suitable combos, things I didn't think about in the Commander slot, or simply cards that fit the theme would be much appreciated, as I'm really not used to these colors or cards that would work well with the Earthquake-esque theme.

>> No.56386984

I remember you. You got BTFO for like half a thread last time this came up. The Keeper of the Great Big Book of /edh/ Fuck-Ups always remembers.

>> No.56387098
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I need your personal recommendation of fuckhuge monoclor creatures/planeswalkers for a redless 4-color theme deck. Looking for something that really encapsulates "boss fight."

>> No.56387221

Is Sensei's Divining Top an auto include in every deck?

>> No.56387261


>> No.56387292

Garruk, Primal Hunter had his own boss fight back for the prerelease. He's also a fuckhuge walker.

Sadly, sans Red means you don't get MTG's actual final boss, ie. Nicky B.

>> No.56387297

Top is significantly worse once you've dug once. If you can make use of shuffle effects often it can be quite potent in letting you snatch a good card, draw Top and then shuffle other cards to the top, but not accelerating your actual draws and the singleton nature of the format dampen it severely. A Top on turn 1 is not easy sailing, and never will be, no matter how hard someone with one in their trade binder shills it.

>> No.56387313

Not always. You still need enough draw power and shuffle effects to actually make good use of it. Great utility though, it's something that every deck should at least consider.

>> No.56387350
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My playgroup has already given me the greenlight to run Progenitus for flavor on the condition that I can't put any red mana sources in my landbase. I might see if they'll allow Bolas too, although Atraxa being my "DM" might be pushing it.

Also holy shit this is amazing.

>> No.56387459
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>one of black's best removal options
>5 mana

>> No.56387593

They have to be. They took some of my magic boxes but not all of them, so they knew which had worthwhile things. And they had to have followed me home. Either someone at the event or someone in the group.

>> No.56387602

>a 2 for 1 that can counter, evade indestructible and hit both creatures and noncreatures is bad for 5

You'll always have viable targets in a 4-man game. Negate a Tooth and Nail and kill an Oracle of Mul Daya, blow up a Nissa on 6 loyalty and bounce a fatty, etc.

>> No.56387739

Where did green touch you, anon?

>> No.56387989

I’m either thinking a Gitrot deck or a Jarad...

>> No.56387991

>also holy shit this is broken

>> No.56388115

>tfw Karametra deck in group has divining top
>has +100 mana floating
>can repeatedly cast whitemane lion to shuffle deck (already ran out of basics)
>needs Aetherflux Reservoir to win the game
>insists on topping between each shuffle trigger
>shuffle, top, shuffle, top, shuffle, top
>shuffle, top, shuffle, top, shuffle, top
>after this has been going on for like 15 minutes we just continue playing the game without the Karametra player

>> No.56388157
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>in white
>wasn't playing Enlightened
He has no one to blame but himself

>> No.56388174

Obviously it's in the deck, just not in hand.

>> No.56388233

>he didn't draw a fucking billion cards off of Top

>> No.56388242
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>he be commander
>have 97 lands, Seismic Assault, and Treasure Hunt
>"ugh, I got a dogshit hand" for 8 turns
>cascade, cascade with maelstrom wanderer on 8
>hit Treasure Hunt then Seismic Assault
>instanut after the stack clears

>> No.56388263

I suggest you read up on how top works.

>> No.56388273

>Maelstrom Wanderer
I just want to warn you that you're probably going to hell when you die.

>> No.56388278

>one player kept up a counterspell since you've been giving everyone 8 turns to prepare
>counters Seismic Assault

>> No.56388287

Should have mentioned that Brighthearth, that's the best way to apply Top in EDH

>> No.56388298

the coin flip happens with the trigger

if Treasure Hunt is anywhere after Seismic Assault, you're fucked anyhow

>> No.56388316
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Nowhere. Green was in my first four decks, which is why I know exactly where to hit to make it hurt.

>> No.56388330

>flip treasure hunt first
>they counter the seismic since they see what's coming

>flip seismic first
>they counter the treasure hunt since they see what's coming

>> No.56388349

Best way is Future Sight

>> No.56388351

I have never seen someone respond to a meme deck with such speed and hostility before, lol.

>> No.56388372

I constantly see people posting meme decks expecting it to do literally anything.

>> No.56388393

There's a lot of -1/-1 counter interaction now and I can see that skullbriars might get trapped in the command zone permanently

>> No.56388408

There *is* such a thing as casual Commander, anon. Most of what people claim to play here would not work in proper EDH since control or combos are the only thing that could hope to win in such a game environment.

If anything, I found it funny that someone figure out how to abuse the cascade-cascade trigger like that.

>> No.56388444

i wish skullbriar had come out after experience counters were a thing. he'd be cheaper, better kalemne in better colors.

>> No.56388476

i haven't seen a casual EDH deck in blue that wasn't running a few counterspells anyway

i'd argue yidris "abuses" cascade more with the classic 1-drop into wheel of fate every time

>> No.56388598
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What do you guys think about digital card alters?

>> No.56388614


>> No.56388684

>tfw don't like digital card alters
>friend loves them
>gives me several as a birthday gift

They've grown on me, but I really dislike playing with illegal cards. The digital alter is printed over an original copy of the card, but it's way too thick as a result, and not a real alter.

>> No.56388686


Yup, pretty gay.

>> No.56388775
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Can she be a fun commander or will I instantly get hated out of the game?

>> No.56388825

Who is the most fun commander for 5c Maze's End group hug?

>> No.56388843

I went and did sticker paper alters for mine, so they're smaller than normal cards.

I can see why some people would dislike them, though.

fucking any 5c commander. You're rarely going to win, so what's the point?

>> No.56388870

I need a fun Voltron commander

Zurgofriends need not apply

>> No.56388881

There first player so will search for Swords, Path, Lightning Bolt, etc. And that will be the end of it.

>> No.56388887

I think it's more likely you get combo'd out of the game before you get another turn

>> No.56388943

>searching for removal
I'd let some other chump waste his turn while I grab something I actually want.
Which everyone will do until it basically becomes a game of chicken to see who will take out the value engine first.

>> No.56388973

>Good, flavorful character art that really gives a feel for Mairsil's character and has references to other cards and the lore
>Let's use some generic edgy jester twat instead

It's almost uniformly a brilliant display of shit taste. Shit taste on the part of people making them, shit taste on the part of people who think the people who made them did a good job.

>> No.56389061

Sigarda, the original.

>> No.56389063

Pretty much this >>56388973

I'm sure they could be done well in theory, but every one I've ever seen has been completely unfitting. You see a lot of art that looks like it was lifted from advertisements for some Korean fantasy MMO.

>> No.56389083

Yeah, I figured as much... Either I play her early and she eats removal or I play her too late and someone with a developed boardstate combos and wins

>> No.56389114

>tfw no GW sissy bf

>> No.56389148

it's not even a matter of some combo. Simply letting the Trostani player go grab Overwheling Stampede or the Omnath player get Doubling Cube can mean doom. A turn 5 Maralen after removal is slang for suicide at most tables of all powerlevels.

>> No.56389835


Just run reanjmation spells, it can be your plan B to cheating them in with Rakdos, while also being a reuse of anything killed after being cheated in with Rakdos, or Rakdos itself

>> No.56390042

>Thread question

no sol ring allowed

>> No.56390059

that is hilarious

>> No.56390134

Just an excuse to run some retarded anime art and they're always borderless or some dumb frame. Universally ugly

>> No.56390550


The lack of frame generally looks bad, idk why 99% of them are borderless

>> No.56390648

how long does it take for me to become acquaintance with everyone at my lgs?

moving to another city, already knew most people from previous lgs before started going there

>> No.56390664
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I'm eternally frustrated I can't find sauce for them.

>> No.56390993
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Life is like a Mox of chocolates.

>> No.56391012

thats adorable, are those for unstable?

>> No.56391057

No, they were given out at Eternal Weekend. I wouldn't mind them being the buy-a-box promo for Unstable, though.

>> No.56391364


>> No.56391386

>they told me /tg/ was bad at magic
He says, while being bad at magic

>> No.56392058
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Finally made my Neheb Eldrazi deck, but now I severly need cuts, what should go out from the deck?

>> No.56392151

Flash hulk decks, food chain decks, or Ad naus into storm kill decks

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Search your heart, you know it to be true

>> No.56392237
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Is Mizzix supposed to be a combo based deck or a burn based deck?

>> No.56392246

Is it worth having a Sliver deck if you're always gonna get targeted first no matter what group?

>> No.56392250

generally combo or storm. you can do burn but its sub par and no one will believe you are running burn when you flip him over

>> No.56392266

Control with a burn wincon is viable

>> No.56392272
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if you enjoy playing sliver then yes and build your deck around the knowledge that you are going to get hated out every game. i personally would not cause i dont think thats fun. just dont be the guy who runs slivers and then whines about being targeted first when that is clearly going to be the correct choice in games

>> No.56392319
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Mizzix is a girl! ;(

>> No.56392520

It's pretty much not worth it to have a Sliver deck at all. It's terribly boring. Either you manage to flood enough slivers early in the game and win, or your enemies kill you beforehand. Also many Sliver cards are really expensive and you can only use them for this one deck.

>> No.56392854
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>> No.56392864

So, Saffi Eriksdotter has a buttload of ways of going infinite (either with her or just the usual Persist stuff). But other than Blasting Station, not a lot of them win you the game outright.

Infinite life sounds fun, but isn’t unbeatable. What are some good enchantments or creatures that put all these ETB, LTB and dies triggers to work in these colors? EDHREC seemed like it didn’t do a good job.

>> No.56393080

They are usually pretty bad
like your pic for example

>> No.56393095

thats a weird way to spell paradox engine

>> No.56393114
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We used to have a couple of guys that made alters for the thread like 2 years ago and everyone loved them, guess you fuckers turned it around while I was gone

>> No.56393140
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>Let's get rid of really flavorful and accurate art to replace it the most generic MMORPG shit possible
If it's shit like your pic, where there's no interaction with the frame and MMORPG-tier designs; it's horrible.

>> No.56393195

See, that's just the kind of bullshit I mean. Prossh admittedly looks kind of stupid himself, but this Korean MMO armored dragon nonsense has to go.

>> No.56393246
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Mizzix is for fun

>> No.56393276
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Posting more since it apparently triggers you all

>> No.56393287
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a Zur voltron/control deck has become my favorite contender, but im sure more autismo storm decks take the cake, but in terms of actually still playing a card game, Zur is a champ.

>tutoring for answers to almost all threats
>quickly becomes impossible to remove
>easy locks
>counters and removal out the ass
>drawing cards and gaining life at whim

>> No.56393302

>reluctantly sleeve up flash hulk
>sit down with 3 evenly matched cEDH decks
>best games of my life
Holy fuck, why do you guys hate this format? It's so wild.

>> No.56393306

This one could be nice if the art didn't went over the textrules box

>> No.56393351
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>> No.56393356
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Three issues anon, and I know you've been here long enough to know better:
>art goes into the textbox
>no boarder
>textbox is modified in size

You can do the clear textbox with boarder if you really felt like it, but this is just... not good. The art itself is fine, the composition of the card is rather uninspired.

>> No.56393421

I unironically love this art

>> No.56393432
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>slap together a janky Zur Astral Slide deck
>playtest it against my $650 Gitrog deck
>expect it to be nonstop amphibian masturbation
>Zur wins like 60% of the games

>> No.56393434
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>butchering rules text that badly just to make a mediocre alter
The colour pallet is off. This looks like a fire darkness deer, nothing particularly says green or white about the creature itself. The focus on the deer's front shoulder makes it look like someone is fapping to this, and if you REALLY look, you can see that the arm itself clearly looks like the head of a rather bulbous dick. Its head is also obscuring the name of the card, and you violated the cardinal rule of cards, do not obscure the mana cost, rendering it unplayable if someone isn't intimately familiar with it.

But, the textbox itself is fine. You're lacking boarders, which is still a no-no, but overall much better than the Xira, but much worse than it should be.

>> No.56393442

What gets me the most is how you can see that small extra box border next to the set symbol.

>> No.56393476

Good art, but looks more jund than naya

>> No.56393511
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I always wondered if people doing alters actually know what magic cards look like. There's like a whole star city page jerking off these fools.

>> No.56393524
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>> No.56393531

How do you guys feel about Marath? My first precon was the Naya Nature of the Beast, which I tuned into a Mayael big guys deck, brushing the other two pack-in legendaries to the side. Marath always seemed cool, but is a good Marath deck just a big mana producing/combo finisher deck? Curious cause I might look into building him.

>> No.56393557

That Skithiryx is disgusting.

>> No.56393582

99% of all cards in magic are unplayable in cEDH

>> No.56393600

Yeah, but it seems like only good players enjoy it. Makes the format a whole lot more fun when everyone is playing to the absolute limit of Magic skill.

>> No.56393605
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I used to have an entire folder of godawful alters, but they're so bad google has stopped showing them in the search results. I remember literally screenshotting and cropping them because they're "OC donut steel". Just remember, every single commander ever has a nintendo alter of some horrifying conception, or a terrible anime girl just slapped in the middle.

>> No.56393643

What makes that one so bad? The Skithiryx one was bad cause it was literally green (why?) swirls emanating from him for no reason. Spell Pierce at least sticks with the colors of the original art. Sure, they edge it up with 'water marks' and a tearing/burning effect, but it's not bad.

>> No.56393647

Different strokes for different folks. Magic's high skill ceiling is only one of many reasons why I like playing it.

>> No.56393650

>butchering rules text that badly

That's just the new templating for modal stuff now, anon. Check Marath's oracle text, that's almost how it would look if they reprinted him. The only thing they got wrong is that each mode line needs to have "X can't be 0." instead of the cost line.

>> No.56393656

When do unstable spoilers start?

>> No.56393677

It's either today or next week, IDK.

>> No.56393689


>> No.56393701
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>> No.56393717

>you can see that the arm itself clearly looks like the head of a rather bulbous dick
While I agree with the rest of your points I really sincerely hope that this part is a joke ...

>> No.56393728

Its like 9:30 and there's no spoilers up

>> No.56393754

Considering that WoTC is on the west coast so they're operating on PST which is currently 7:30

>> No.56393758
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Oh but it is, but for completely different reasons:
>interrupting the textbox with the wave swell right by "instant", for no artistic reason
>all that nonsense all over the rules text, again for no reason
>signing someone else's artwork after painting over their name
>breaking the textbox near the top and just slapping some edgy burnt effect between the cost and the name for some green bullshit
It's the epitome of senseless design. Everything the artist did, other than extend the boarder, just made it significantly worse for no reason.

It was more the formatting of the X can't equal zero part, it's just jarring and intuitive if you understand proper magic formatting.

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>> No.56393803

Longtime Saffi player here.

If there isn't a direct damage kill from Blasting Station there is still typically a way to win when you have infinite ways to recur your creatures. Make Craterhoof Behemoth cycle through play a few times, Woodfall Primus or Acidic Slime every possible target, put every land in your deck into play, Duplicant all of the creatures. Once you have infinite mana and EtB's there are tons of ways to win.

>> No.56393806
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>> No.56393828

This is a good Un-Card.

This is not.

>> No.56393844

Until we know what all contraptions do, I think it's a bit early to complain.

>> No.56393847

I don't see much beyond BSZ typically.

>> No.56393851

Just build her as fuck lands in general, starting with wonderful memes like cycling Decree of Annihilation.

>> No.56393865

Wait, if you use Saffi Eriksdotter's ability, will the targeted creature come back to the battlefield EVERY time it goes to the graveyard this turn?

>> No.56393869

They're generic shit 99% of the time. Even more disgusting than current wotc CGI art.

>> No.56393880

Dunno mon, I had fun with Purph and Hidetsugu, maybe burn memes just ain't for you.

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>> No.56393896

Too late. Circlejerk has started. Everyone is gonna complain how we don’t have enough cards that illicit a chuckle and then proceed to the garbage can as opposed to seeing play.

I’m hype as fuck for contraptions. Fuck everyone.

>> No.56393903

>Time Warp guy jerking off 4 dicks at once while sperm flies at the viewer
That's one lewd alter.

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>> No.56393927

Now look at this shit, nonsense in the text box aside.

This is how you do an extended boarder card effectively for an alter. Even though it doesn't have a boarder, it looks perfectly fine.

>> No.56393975

Like what you like, my dude. For me, Un-Cards should be like the Holiday cards: collectibles with a punchline.

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>> No.56394016

Uncards actually being a playable draft format for once will be an interesting turn of events to me.

>> No.56394052
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is there a good free resource for cube creation?

trying to do this shit on the fly is tedious

>> No.56394074

This set is going to be shit compared to Unglued and Unhinged. So far, the cards we've seen have nothing funny about them except silly names. Previous Un sets had funny MECHANICS.

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>> No.56394095

No, just the next time. If you get Reveillark and Karmic Guide into play/the graveyard then that won't hold you back.

>> No.56394099
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Honestly my favourite so far

>> No.56394116

10/10 card

>> No.56394117
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Fucking this

>> No.56394133
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That art reminds me of this.

>> No.56394153

Now THIS is an interesting and funny Un-card. The way they did contraptions sucks, it just feels like a try at a normal game mechanic with wacky names. Hopefully the two-decks thing doesn't make the jump to the actual game.

>> No.56394162

Does this prevent me from naming something in another language? Could I have a special character in there?

>> No.56394203

So how do non control decks contend with what others are doing? I've always been drawn to control, even when I made my first Rakdos deck I didn't even realize it but I packed it full of removal and answers because I preferred to keep my opponents from getting too far ahead. What do "normal" decks do? Just do their thing and hope for the best? If your opponent gets out of control you're kinds screwed aren't you?

>> No.56394209

I guess in theory you could as long as it's a letter in that language, you'd have to be a cunt to play it that way but the format is for gags as it is

>> No.56394219

To be fair, this card is fantastic and feels like an old Un card >>56394099

The contraptions are dogshit though. They look extremely unfun to play with (tedious things to keep track of) and are not funny at all.

>> No.56394223

>What are your house rules?

No mass discard like Mind Twist because the guys I play with do not pack enough draw and it always crippled them.

No mass land destruction.

No infinite combos.

I was fine with no rules at all but they insisted. Now games take forever instead of ending when they should and forcing people to modify their playstyle and decks to fit the meta.

>> No.56394255

Anything from burning everyone to death at once to putting up an insurmountable board state, demanding to be stopped or lose is just as disruptive as preventing actions in some sense

>> No.56394269

I like the game much better with no rules or unwritten rules that discourage MLD without saying "you're not allowed to play that". In my previous group everything was allowed but if someone joing with a land destrucion deck then they would be ganged up on.

Now I'm in carebear town and had a 2.5 hour game where the guy in the obvious lead kept bitching about people destroying his creatures.

>> No.56394303
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This doesnt seem like an unset

>> No.56394304
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Contraptions are funny mechanics. Assemble a contraption may seem like sterile rules text, but when you assemble some complete nonsense, it will be a funny thing.

Also, unglued and unhinged had dozens of cards whose only comedy came from flavor, to be honest.

>> No.56394330

Completely agree. It gives groups a lot more flexibility if they can do what they want and if you think you can handle everyone coming at you then go for it. Makes for more interesting games and a controlled state without explicitly banning anything.

Also same deal. The guy endlessly recurring threats and having a massive board complains people are coming at him or, far worse, that another guy didn't kill me off so "I could then kill you and we could play a new game."

Guess who enacted these rules.

>> No.56394343

It's not a thing for my local group but my own personal rule I've established is "thou shalt not be involved in 6+ player games".
4 is preferable, 5 is usually bearable, 6 and up is just fucking miserable.
For some reason my playgroup just LOVES assembling monstrosities of games with 8 players and planeschase ... ugh

>> No.56394350

I suppose my voltron decks fit that description. I don't worry too much about what others are doing as I'm going to kill them off soon. That definitely changes their plans

Gotta try that with a new deck that uses more than 1 or no creatures.

>> No.56394377

But this one is mocking an actual card, that's why it's mechanically fine. Something like >>56394303 was meant to be an original joke but looks more like a normal card with some wacky names tacked in.

>> No.56394400

>Have seen 2 Contraptions so far
>Feel like they are qualified to make a judgment call

I won't trust the opinion of anyone who's willing to so thoroughly commit to a judgment on something they've seen only the barest glance of.

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>> No.56394423

Unless squirrels have their own tribal support for some silly shit this is just a normal tier lord, kinda hoping they do something else with this other than the names

>> No.56394436

Clambassadors is much funnier and references magic cards.

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Only in the flavortext.

Earl of Squirrel would never be printed in black border. I’d rather they print him in silver as is without tacking on “but only if you chitter like a squirrel” on their. Plus, squirrellink is genuinely funny.

Anyway, I could post dozen more examples of uncards, but clearly I won’t convince any more. I’m excited to play these cards.

>> No.56394495

The clever thing about it is that it doesn't need additional squirrels. Any token creature is squirrel tribal when it's around.

>> No.56394538

>Earl of Squirrel would never be printed in black border
Except the type changing ability, I could very well see it on black border. It's a 4GG 4/4 that creates 4 buffed squirrels if connects but has no protection or evasion, reminds me of Deranged Hermit.

>> No.56394569

4 really should be the limit. Who the fuck wants to sit there while 7 other people go until it's your turn. The place is such a fucking disaster before you even get to do anything.

Same applies to gangbangs.

>> No.56394574

There is a difference between “works within the current rules of magic” and “would be printed in a serious magic set”.

Deranged Hermit being a tournament all star was the exact reason why WOTC stopped making squirrels in black border. People found it stupid and complained.

>> No.56394605

Change squirrel to saproling then, still printable. The obviously adapt flavor details for a serious set (super haste into the Pact mechanic) but the card is mechanically possible. Un sets should be more around far out stuff than wacky names and type, else it becomes boring fast.

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It's kinda like pic related but with a creature's damage

>> No.56394632

>Except the [x], I could very well see it on black border.

The point is that could describe a pretty fair number of cards from the first two Unsets. You're being a whiny bitch if you think the first sets were perfect, pure, shining examples of the Unideal but get pissy about the Earl.

>> No.56394673

Food chain taz or sidisi adnaus. Superfriends is trash and for people who aren't creative enough to build real decks.

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But squirrels are cuter and funnier. Changing the type changes the card.

Like this card for example. It could be black border if it wasn’t a chicken, but it is, so it is silver.

I do want to remind people that this is one card among many. But whatever. I don’t need to defend shit. Unsets don’t sell anyway.

>> No.56394763

>normal tier lord
Did you read the card?

>swing with Earl of Squirrel
>you now have 12 power worth of creatures if it isn't removed before damage
>turn after you have 20 power of creatures

Now lets see what happens with normal cards
>any token doubler instantly gives you 20 power worth of creatures
>doublestrike makes 8 2/2 tokens
>double strike, a damage doubler, and a token doubler makes 32 2/2 tokens
>Overwhelming Stampede with any number of any type of tokens is instantly a blowout, not to mention triumph of the horde
>something like Chandra's Ignition makes 4 tokens every tap, assuming it isn't buffed
>in Xenagos it hits for 8 haste, makes 16 power worth of creatures, and that's without buffs

It's bonkers. Like more than Kalonian Hydra bonkers.

>> No.56394768

No freaking joke

>> No.56394780

Do we know if the new Un set has a guaranteed contraption slot per pack? Drafting a set that's built around them seems like aids if each player wasn't guaranteed like a couple

>> No.56394792

>if you think the first sets were perfect, pure, shining examples of the Unideal
Never said that tho.

>get pissy about the Earl
I'm more pissed about what we saw from contraptions, specially when they used it to bail out from doing it on a serious set. Earl just seems like an easy joke, which indeed the other Unsets had too. But they had stuff like Gotcha! in a lot of cards.

>> No.56394798

Read that each pack gets 2 contraptions.

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Why is Karrthus over $20?

>> No.56394878

idk but I was pissed when i tried building him a few weeks back
just made cat dragon instead

>> No.56394888

>But they had stuff like Gotcha! in a lot of cards.

And Gotcha! was shit.

>> No.56394909

>specially when they used it to bail out from doing it on a serious set

You notice how none of the contraptions have a border? They're not Silver bordered and they're not Black bordered. They're in a limbo right now where they could become Black border legal by very deliberate design choice.

This isn't bailing out, it's a test run, moron.

>> No.56394911

I already had splinterfright and wood elves though.

>> No.56394926

Dragon tribal is the most self jerk off deck out there and it's one of the best dragons?
Also, printed once in an older set.

>> No.56394964

yeah but you can get the team haste effect on a dragon for only 6 mana instead

the "steal all dragons" thing is neat but unless you're against a bribery/clone tribal deck there's not a lot of use for it

>> No.56394999

You maybe over looking just how SICK that card looks.

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look at that doofus though

>> No.56395046
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this guy is way cooler

>> No.56395064

Thopter tribal

>> No.56395098

colorless voltron, it's actually kinda fun. not very good though.

>> No.56395111

Too bad that card is awful in EDH

>> No.56395268

6 mana 6/5 dragon with haste that gives your whole team haste? you can completely ignore the second ability, Kolaghan is playable without it

>> No.56395278

I remember them.
I still have my Shai-Hulud alter of Thromok.

Th-thanks for the legendary Sandwurm Wizards, it's not like we're going back to sandwurm land anytime soon.

>> No.56395302

I've been trying to settle of a U/R Spells deck
Working on this list



>> No.56395500

Change son to daughter.

>> No.56395619

new bread

>> No.56395626

Don't worry, we will surely get a legendary wurm in Rivals of Ixalan.

>> No.56395630

Also. Add reiterate.
Add more creatures (electomancer, young pyromancer)
Add more land.

>> No.56396568

That guy is wrong, only the "next damage gets redirected" part goes on the stack, the actual redirection is a replacement effect which does not use the stack.

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