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How do we make fapbait space drow vs humans into a playable setting without going full HFY or Mary Sue elves?

>> No.56140421

>>56140398
Let's just talk about the tits.

>> No.56140447

>>56140421
To be honest, I imagine that this project would end up as a Cthulhutech-tier clusterfuck (minus the Dachau rape machine and poker dice)

>> No.56140648
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>>56140398
Can I get a rundown on how space drow society is supposed to even work? All I know about drow society is that it's a pit of bloodthirsty retards trying to kill each other everyday, and the only reason it even functions at all is that its got a sadistic goddess holding it up.

>> No.56140826

>>56140398
biggest problem is as >>56140648 points out. Drow are largely a fantasy society and to make them work requires basically rewriting them entirely. (wonder why TES dark elves are called Dunmer? not just copyright issues, Bethesda just realized they really had nothing in common besides skin color.)

But I suppose we could take elements of drow culture and work that into some kind of setting, such as:

>The are strongly matriarchial
Depending on the setting, women might outright be stronger and bigger than males, either comparatively or to humans. I would suggest having it be relative to even humans for the sake of adding differences from humanity, avoiding random people saying "lol -4 STR can't fight men", and subverting the idea of 'willowy, delicate elves'

>They are slavers
This will be a slightly weird one in a sci-fi setting in which any space faring society should have gone through industrialization making slavery a bit of a moot point, but slaves can still be used as status symbols and even just general, low-skill labor, indentured servitude to pay off debts, criminals, etc.

>They live underground
A bit trickier with, you know, a space-faring setting where nothing should necessarily restrict them, but perhaps we can spin this as part of their origins: a planetary disaster struck their planet long ago, forcing the society underground. They had hoped to wait things out but it soon became clear their planet was gone for the foreseeable future, and thus space faring was pushed.

>They're an offshoot of other elvee
Easy enough, just have said doomed world have been a fairly large colony, by the time they were able to contact the rest of the space elves, they were shunned.

So, without a functional homeworld of their own and feeling unready to take on the high-space-elves, space drow saw newbie humans on the galactic scene and began raiding them and their colonies as relatively easier targets and for resources they desperately need.

>> No.56140870

Human women and Drow males never existed. A fun little experiment by some rogue precursor scientist.
Human and Drow are only biological capable of breeding once they've fought each other. The loser is forced to carry the child and the baby is the race of the victor.
This has led to a constant but balanced power struggle between men and drow as the only way to breed is through war.
The galaxy has been razed time and time again to super this ridiculous breeding method, but it works. Every generation is far stronger than the last. The only thing other species can do is stand by the wayside as drow and human war machines and ships clash and destroy. Only for the destruction to end in massive orgies.

>> No.56140896
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56140896

>>56140826
Achieving interstellar travel raises the question of how fractured drow society is. If we assume they're all a bunch of cunts, then some drow are gonna get tired of being surrounded by cunts and just take a freighter to another star. There'd be less one united drow nation, and more just a bunch of colonies full of assholes, a bunch of colonies with okay guys, the relatively strongest homeworld, and none of them like each other.

>> No.56140903

>>56140870
>>56140398
oh, I didn't see the part where fapbait was mentioned somehow.

So, add to >>56140826 that male drow have begun to die out due to reasons and thus, drow women need to raid humans not just for resources but also to replenish their numbers.

Use of mild genetic engineering is brought to fore to allow Drow women to be compatible with humans and produce basically only full-blooded drow when born. However this works both ways as human women have begun making daring raids on Drow fleets and kidnapping fertile men who are then forced to donate sperm to make more humans.

Why not just clone? Um, reasons.

>> No.56140927

>>56140896
that's kind of why you need to drop them being cunts and things like encouraged murder and intrigue.

Drow society could still be fractured because not all of their homeworld's colonies could contact other disaster shelters nor connect with them, or lost contact.

Eventually notably different cultures would arise, though perhaps the ones who figured out space travel were altruistic enough to make it a mission to spread the information to all the shelters?

>> No.56140986

Instead of living underground, they live in deep space far from the nearest star.

Instead of being matriarchal, they're a purely female society that reproduces via cloning.

They were originally from a civilized world, but they were expelled during a brutal war.

Lolth is an abomination from another dimension.

>> No.56141333

>>56140826
>They are strongly matriarchial
I don't think you need to look at physical traits here
Remember that drows are highly religious. Having a female priest class works in a sci-fi setting as well

>They are slavers
Again, it can be a cultural thing. Nobles get servants as a mark of status, it helps keep the proles in line,... Works especially well with a militaristic and/or expantionist society.
We still have slaves currently, you know.

>They live underground
They are accustomed to living in spaceships and don't fare well on the surface? Ground sickness, blindness when it's sunny, issues with gravity?

>> No.56141475

>>56140826
>They are slavers
Note that despite our own increasing technology, there are more slaves today than at any other point in history (in part because of increasing populations, obviously). Dubai in particular is infamous for luring in workers from poor countries with lucrative contracts, then forcing them to work for nothing once they're in the country with no way to leave.

For combat slaves, I imagine they'd just outfit most of them with bomb collars and laser cutters and throw them at the enemy in waves. Those that prove particularly skilled and resourceful are either given authority over lesser slaves, or are drafted for their supersoldier program, where a mixture of gene modification and cybernetic implants enhance both their abilities and their loyalty. However, the most extreme modifications are reserved as a punishment for disgraced drow, which is how we get driders.

Having a slave broken in enough to follow orders without collar or modifications is considered on par with having a pedigree dog. Particularly wealthy nobles occationally hold competitions to see whose slaves are best trained, usually involving painful or humiliating tasks.

>They live underground
Chalk this one up to their natural dislike of sunlight. Sure, it doesn't really harm them, but they'd really rather not have to put up with it. Most spacedrow prefer living on sheltered stations and ships, and only colonize planets with extensive cave networks that don't require much excavation to make habitable. This is also why they almost always perform their raids during a planet's night cycle.

>> No.56141552

>>56141475
A drider cyborg would be terryfing in space combat

>> No.56141598

>>56141475
Building on this, since spacedrow only live on ships, stations and select planets, their industrial base is not as strong as other races. Sure, they make some of the strongest, fastest ships in the galaxy, but they don't have proper mass production. For this reason it is considered a major crime to destroy another drow's ship or station, with the minimum punishment being driderization of the perpetrator, and in severe cases resulting in the complete annihilation of a noble house in order to make an example (or because of lobbying and politics within the ruling houses).

Therefore, rivalry between houses always comes down to boarding action to take the vessel intact, usually aided by chemical and digital warfare to cripple the enemy's defenses.

>> No.56141647

>>56140986
Their spaceship weapons focus on knocking out systems rather then destroying hull.

>> No.56141681

>>56141598
>>56141647
This actually works well with them being slavers and the fapbait part.

They take down crews nonlethally as they can, take their ship to salvage and supplies, fuck the men for more babies, sell the rest to slavery

>> No.56141684

>>56141681
I just thought EMP/disruption weaponry would be a good proxy for sleep poison.

>> No.56141717

>>56140398
Into a playable setting without HFY or Mary Sue elves? Easy. Just go (kinda) magical realm.

The space-drow aren't mary sue, but they are just straight up a race of dommes. The matriarchal society means that many biological/tech improvements are only available to women (strength enhancing nanotech or whatever your settings tech level is at), and as such all males in drow controlled space must have a "matron" in order to qualify for any benefits. Women get ID's, men can only get them with the approval of a woman etc.

A male (of any species) getting a license to trade in drow space requires offering subservience to a matron in the government, which can be revoked by the drow at any given time and there's no guarantee that you could get a license no matter your history or capabilities. It depends on who you go to see first, because while they wouldn't be serial backstabbers like their fantasy iterations, they would have the ego that if one caught wind that they were your second choice to try and get a traders license, then you probably aren't getting it, or it's getting revoked.

Women of course, can simply go through the normal politics of getting a trader's license, and if requested, they can apply to be a "business matron", such that they can have a strictly limited amount of males with the qualifications to act on her behalf.

Tech-wise, I would say their benefit is that they keep it secret. Maybe they are a little bit behind tech-wise, but they're better at portability. While a human exoskeleton is this bulky hunk of metal, maybe the Drow have gotten skintight suits that are weaker then the human exoskeletons, but stronger than someone without an exoskeleton. Also explains why they can wear those "noblewoman's" dress style, it's to hide whether or not any given female drow is packing heat. Their propensity to hide it might lead to rumours of the drow just being insanely strong too if that's what you're into.

>> No.56141733

>>56140447
>Cthulhutech
/thread

>> No.56141767

>>56140826
TES shares little in common with most standard fantasy

>> No.56141793

About nonlethal weapons.
In Heinlein's Citizen of the Galaxy, pirates use nonlethal weapons, while the merchants use regular nuclear missiles because fuck them.
As the opponents are very far away, everyone fire their weapons, then the merchants are hit and sleep for a couple hours, if everything goes well they wake up with a destroyed pirate ship, and if the missile missed they wake up chained in a cargo hold.
I was a neat bit, I think.

>> No.56141794

>>56141767
The dwemer are surprisingly close to traditional dwarves though.

>Fondness for beards
>Peerless craftsmen
>Disdain for (other) elves
>Not terribly religious
>Live in underground strongholds
>Fond of gold(en alloys)
>Highly geometric designs with few organic shapes
>Highly structured society

All they need is a fondness for booze and axes.

>> No.56141800

>>56140826
Slavery is totally possible in a space faring setting.

>"Either do what I say or its the airlock"
>"K-kay"

>> No.56141836

They might have been created by another species (ANCIENT HUMANS) a long ass time ago as their deep space station/weird planet colonists. You know, there might be lots of nice stuff on a tidally locked planet, or under Europan ice sheets, so they made a bunch of weirdos to go get it.

Kind of a cliche though, sorry.

>> No.56141955

>>56140826

>Depending on the setting, women might outright be stronger and bigger than males, either comparatively or to humans. I would suggest having it be relative to even humans for the sake of adding differences from humanity, avoiding random people saying "lol -4 STR can't fight men", and subverting the idea of 'willowy, delicate elves'
Physical strength is a lot less important in an industrial society and a society where warfare is won through ship battles, gun fights, and occasionally power armor. Having matriarchal clans isn't too far-fetched for a bunch of exiled fucks with an eye towards treachery and tightly limited populations. After all, you can be pretty sure that a child came from a mother, but no so much the father. Start tracking family and inheritance down that side, and you've got the framework for Matriarchs.
>A bit trickier with, you know, a space-faring setting where nothing should necessarily restrict them, but perhaps we can spin this as part of their origins: a planetary disaster struck their planet long ago, forcing the society underground. They had hoped to wait things out but it soon became clear their planet was gone for the foreseeable future, and thus space faring was pushed.
You QUINTUPLE NIGGER, these are Sci-Fi Drow we're talking here! Use your head for a second. Space Drow don't live beneath the surface of a normal-ass planet, they live in hollowed-out asteroids and shit. O'Neill on a budget. Banished (or having fled from vengeful neighbors, I suppose) from the Space-Elf homeworld after some war or other, they just fucked off to the darker crevices of space.

>> No.56141995

>>56141836
>Created by ancient humans
>Some faggot scientist on another planet created a race of submissive waifu's. Well there' goes the neighbourhood. Let's all move to the next planet.
>"But what if... we created a race of dominant waifu's?" one remaining scientist asks.
>The scientists all thought for a moment, and then left him on the second planet and moved on to the third.
>And then the Drow took their dominance to politics, and nobody cared because everybody left was submissive.
>Then the Drow outbred the humans
And now Drow control a solar system or two, but they are have been biologically created to appeal to and be able to detect submissives in their proximity. The Drow have an innate sense that submissives would be happier under Drow rule, and don't like seeing people suffer, so if they meet a politician with a submissive streak, be careful or else you may need to re-hold elections as they quit their job to live under the Drow.

It's like the reverse/domme-version of that one screencap about elves.

>> No.56142149

>>56141598
Oh, and since spacedrow hate the sun so much, they spent an absolute fortune to erect an atmospheric shield around their homeworld that covers the entire planet in a dark purple shade. Occationally there are flashes of other colours, as debris and meteors are incinerated, or ships phase through the field.

>> No.56142164

>>56140398
>how do we not go Mary Sue or HFY
By balancing things and having it be reasonable and realistic insofar as a sci fi setting can be.

>> No.56142208

>>56142149
If they're worried about the sun so bad, why don't they just live further orbits, so that the rays are less blinding.

>> No.56142239

>>56142208
They're not worried about it, they just don't like it. Shielding their homeworld was an act of absolute hedonism, not necessity, which is why they don't do it on their colonies.

>> No.56142240

>>56140398
Post more picture Fantasy races IIIN SPAAACE!

>> No.56143067

>>56141717
This I like, though in keeping with the D&D drow I can see them, or least a handful of major houses, having one or two major advances in chemical/material science above everyone else, to keep with their "good at poisons" thing and cause a couple of dragon articles would mention how every now and then a drow house would puzzle out how to make things like latex or other synthetic materials

>> No.56143099

>>56140398
How about we don't? What's even to be gained from doing this?

>> No.56143205

>>56141995
Which screen cap is this

>> No.56143546

>>56141717
That's pretty good

I think spaceship wise, humans should have a very nautical appearance like this or UC Gundam in contrast with the slender, almost crystaline shapes of drow ships. Where the space drow have shields, humans put up walls of flak

>> No.56143683
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>>56140398
>first off
Don't

>second off
Well if you are really doing this...
a) you can't just have them have long lifespans, any race worth their salt would have long lifespans. We are living in the hardest sci-fi possible, and we have almost solved it. Make them psionic or something of that ilk.
b) don't make them Mary Sues, their culture causes them problems, and they get their crap pushed in by other races just as much as they push crap in.
c) have more races then just elves, elves alone can't carry a setting the way humans can
d) make sure to point out that by using slaves, they are actually reducing inefficiency. Have a minor race or group that only uses robots be extremely puzzled that someone would go and steal slaves.
e) know their specialty, slaving. They would have a culture built on this. Use other races for other specialties

>> No.56143750
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>>56143546
Forgot pic

>> No.56143785

>>56140398
at some point you just gotta draw porn

>> No.56143817

>>56143785
Pretty sure space drowtales are from the soft porn spinoff

>> No.56143825

>>56143683
>surrender to us, foolish lesser races
>ok, I surrender
>send over 50 of your crew and we will spare you
>I'm the only crew member
>what?
>we use robots, im the only crew member, sorry

>can I just go?
>...fine

>> No.56143829

>>56143817
>soft

>> No.56143836

>>56143829
Did it have any penetration? Can't remember

>> No.56143837

>>56142208
Far orbits and, as >>56141955 says, not living on planets much, is probably the way to go - instead of the UNDERdark, they live in the OUTERdark: far, cold orbits and non-system space.

>> No.56143849

>>56143825
>the drow ambassador has asked us to make slave personality chips for the bots, in case they were captured.
>in exchange, they will return their human prisoners
>...
>that's a deal, I guess

>> No.56143867

>>56143849
>but, uh, as a mostly automated ship, I don't have the food and water to take 50 people home

>> No.56143971

>>56143867
>drow meet their ultimate nemesis
>the science confederacy of planets
>only use robots
>all ships are crewed by one dude
>armies are robots
>ships are robots
>diplomats are robots

>> No.56144162

>>56143971
>>56143849
>>56143825
Don't drow use constructs all the time? I know Menzoberranzan is guarded by a pair of gigantic spider golems.

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56144275

>>56143971
>the only human looks like this due to being constantly pampered by robots
>"are you gonna enslave and rape me? that's okay, you know"
>"ugh, just take the emergency shuttle and leave, human"
>"thanks for the offer, but I'm the one doing all the maintenance on the bots, so you'll probably want to keep me around anyways"
>"by Lolth..."

>> No.56144340

What about High Crusade humans versus Space Drow

>> No.56144373

>>56144275
>such insolence, I will beat you with my stiletto

>> No.56144802

>>56144340
Seems like you’re winding up with a Batarrian situation here.

Corporations and crazy nutters who insist on working the unsettled, unclaimed, highly dangerous areas. They might get well paid, but any trouble is their own.

>> No.56144876

>>56144275
Basically, Wall-e humans?

>> No.56145058

>>56144275
>fat-humans
>not chad gene-explorers

The fat ones are on the planets.

>> No.56145131

>>56144275
Wouldn't the sole human look more like some strongfat clean-shaven dockworker with glasses than a fat nerd?
Consider the following: the human is intended as a backup for when the usual repair droids malfunction, and the whole ship was probably built around a crew manifest of so and so many bots and one human.
The maintenance droids are in different scales, with the smallest beetlebots working out structure damage and the largest behemoths handling heavy part replacement and maintenance on the ship itself, and the roughly humansize ones work the middling tasks like behemoth/beetle repairs and internal maintenance.
The human handles maintenance where the other bots either are unable to do so (more important shit to repair, metal frame not flexible enough, out of material and restocking) or unwilling to do so because lawset fuckery.
This probably means heaving fuck-off big behemoth servos from the maintenance storage to the behemoth bay and into place, pulling hard on loose cables to connect the ends, rebuilding armor plates from scrap, hell even the humansize bot components can be heavy enough to pass for pumping iron.
And if the ship's suitably big and suffered a catastrophic electrical failure where both primary and auxiliary generators fail simultaneously and the bots don't have enough reserve power to fix them in time, the human would have to heave full-sized bots out of the service hatches, lug potentially heavy components to replace burnt-out ones and manually restart the generator before lugging each bot and any heavy electricity-powered equipment to the nearest charging station one by one.

But i will concede, the thought of space drow matriarchs having to deal with having a fat, unattractive porky nerd to keep their new robotic adoni in working order is a funny mental image. Wonder if there's a series on the subject already?

>> No.56145206

>>56145131
Nah, the robots run on different systems, so if one set malfunctions there are still backups to fix it. If things screw up so bad that the sole human is the only functional thing on a massive ship, it's FUBAR anyway.

>> No.56145279

>>56143099
Whatever you want, baby.

>> No.56145486

>>56145206
I did say backup.
Let's say there's a meteor shower and the meteor shields are down.
The beetlebots are hard at work resetting the meteor shields, but it's not fast enough.
Entire swathes of the ships' internals are closed off because the meteors got through the hull plating and are wreaking havoc in the rooms and hallways.
The manbots are all tied up trying to fix the internals before important equipment is compromised.
There's just enough behemoths that they could work together to keep the hull plating fixed until the meteor shield go up again.
But, shock and horror, two entire behemoths get their legs clipped by wayward meteors.
This means the remaining ones aren't enough to keep the hull intact for long enough, and the two damaged behemoths, unable to move, are needed out there yesterday.
The beetles are ineffectual, and the manbots can't spare anyone without losing the entirety of the medbay for the foreseeable future, so the only one who can do anything is the human.

Or my other example above about the generators failing. They may be on separate systems, but if all the generators fail in an otherwise safe position, each set would just fail one after another in this schedule:
The manbots try to analyze the issue and burn their reserve power to fix it, getting left in the service hatches.
The behemoths run out of juice lifting the manbots out of the service hatches.
The manbots of the next set run out of reserve power analyzing the issue and trying to fix it because the main computer is down and the first set manbots couldn't transmit their work history before running dry.
The behemoths of the next set run out of juice getting their manbot brethren out of the service hatches again.
The beetles are too small to be of use, and probably drained their reserves just wriggling to a position to be picked up for recharging.
Ad nauseum until no sets are left and the human gets a ping on his pager from the generator room.

>> No.56145520

>>56145486
Forgot to add...if there's enough sets for each set to monitor and repair another in a big cycle, why have the human at all?

>> No.56145539

>>56145131
Well the whole thing would be solved by nanomachines but that would require the science confederation be TL 10. And nanomachines aren’t really crew members.

But I digress.

/tg/ We managed to cause a random post about an all robot crew into a semi-interesting group of people all based on a drowtales fappost.

>> No.56145552

>>56145520
Laws

>> No.56145554

>>56145520
Oversight obviously

>> No.56145568

>>56143836
Pretty sure it does.

>> No.56145571

>>56145520
They are scientists.

They want to put the ubermensh that they used billions of credits of grant money making to work at something.

>> No.56145695

>>56145552
Robotics laws or space travel legislation?
If it's the former, the bots are probably running on an all-races-included variant of asimov and monitoring both their designated set and everyone in their own.
J0-HN starting to act odd? Shut down inter-bot communications and take him in for controlled reprogramming.
>>56145571
>>56145554
But why do it in parson?
Regarding oversight, chances are the bots are tough enough that a rogue one could easily go toe to toe with a trained spec-ops officer simply via battle of attrition. And if repairs are handled by the robots yet oversight is needed, we go back to the human being backup for when the bots break down in such a manner they can't fix each other.
As for science, wouldn't it be more reasonable for a scientist to be planetside monitoring and taking notes for the next batch of ubermensch based on what hiccups this one has? Adding himself to the experiment as a factor not only messes with the test data but also puts him at risk of being dead in the starwater if the bots go rogue or otherwise fail miserably.

>> No.56145848

>>56145695
The thing I can see causing a human to be on a ship like that is having non-sentient robots like nanomachines.

In that case the robots simply exist for maintenance and would require a human for oversight.

This isn’t a case of a robot-crew, it’s a case of a one person crew.

>> No.56145881

>>56145695
>But why do it in parson?
Relativity

>> No.56145990

>>56145848
I see. But, depending on how it's handled, one human might not be enough to monitor every nanobot, and monitoring nanobot sets gives way to rogue nanobots to develop when the human isn't looking.
And, besides, who says robots have to be sentient to run maintenance on each other?
Program in a specific list of standard behavior to individual robots and watch as the bots fix each other to match the standard behavior.

One reason a human might be needed is the afforementioned maintenance backup.
The bots, not being sentient, run on predetermined priority lists.
Humans run on instinct and usually handle whatever is immediately required rather than what the bots deem more important.
>>56145881
Elaborate, please.
Even with relativity as i recall it, it's safer for all humans involved to stay away from the bots.
We'll get news of their going rogue when the feed gets to that point.

>> No.56146062

>>56145990
>scientist builds nanobots
>installs nanobot factory
>tells nanobots to follow computer
>install ubermensh on ship with computer and engineering knowledge
>a winner is you

>> No.56146107

>>56146062
Probably works as long as the ubermensch has enough reserve power to fix the generator in case of generator failure.

>> No.56146108

>>56146062
This would make for an interesting first encounter between posthuman ubermensch and space thots

>> No.56146318

>>56146107
You could have backups and space checkins stations full of proper engineers to repair hard core stuff.

>> No.56146401

>>56140398
>fapbait space drow vs humans
>without going full HFY or Mary Sue elves?
by not having the humans be magically better because plotpowers or having the elves be tolkien supermen

a high tech society which looks like drow, is female only (reproduces via tech or whatever- Asari ) and employs technology and slave races rather than fighting themselves versus your generic space humans in a long and brutal war sounds doable

>> No.56146472

>>56146318
Reasonable. But, let's assume the worst:
The backups discharge their reserves in response to the failing generator's surge, and the engines are powered by the same generator.
How does the ship get to the checking station if the ubermensch is neither programmed to activate auxiliary thrusters nor has enough power to fix the generator himself?
Space is serious business, you gotta plan for everything or the investors are going to use your hide as a stress toy.

>> No.56146616

>>56146472
Theoretically the ubermensh could think reasonably because he’s a living being.

Maybe you could have a backup engine in the storage place and nanopaste repair tubes.

>> No.56146748

>>56146616
...but he's a robot? I thought that was apparent.
When did we go from robotics to live human beings?

>> No.56146881

>>56146748
Ubermensh are genetically superior humans?

>> No.56146975

>>56146401
And, by the same token, not having either of them be arbitrarily incompetent. Like the bit about drow being baffled by human robots above, why wouldn't the drow have their own roboticists that can operate them, or at least cannibalize them for their own tech? They're decadent and depraved, not luddites.

>> No.56146987

>>56146881
Earlier, ubermensch was used as a term for an advanced robot. >>56146062
Unless i completely knackered translating that.
I thought he was advocating for a full robot crew.

>> No.56147009

>>56146975
>Like the bit about drow being baffled by human robots above
that sounds retarded and whoever though of that should be ashamed

>Theyre decadent and depraved
which would suggest that they can afford to be so, which implies powerful tech/army

>> No.56147118

>>56146987
Sorry m8, ya knackered ya translation

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>>56145058
>turns out the fat is actually a mass of nanomachines, son

>> No.56147280

>>56147255
>drow raid a ship
>meet a fat dude that could’ve gone pro if he hadn’t joined the army.

>> No.56147363

>>56147118
Eh, c'est la vie.

>> No.56147947

>>56147255
Do you guys thing he would be ale to defeat those elves form op's image?

>> No.56147985
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>>56147947
They would all surrender to his masculine might

>> No.56148521

>>56147947
Nanomachines aren't the only thing that hardens

>> No.56149115

>>56140398
You can make things pretty HFY and Mary Sue, just go crazy over the top and don’t let any one faction dominate.

I got to thinking about drow ship essentially being flying mountains, mountain ranges even. Go smalller than an Imperial and the crew will start freaking.

So you get mercenaries, Jannisaries and slaves to run smaller vessels, shuttles, fighters et c. The typical drow ship might be in the 10-100km range and have ports and naval bases. The design isn’t nice and optimal like a GSV, priority one is pandering to drow agoraphobia.

There will be a lot of infighting, but over centuries or millenia it’s become more disciplined. Maybe Lolth got fed up with cities imploding and tinkered with the rules.

The drow might be the end result of a lolbertarian/HFY human splinter group who wanted to be the little girl. Or the seven foot fetish domme in this case.

>> No.56149577

>>56143205
I don't have a copy of it myself, but it was a written as a letter of someone warning somebody new away from the planet, because the elves now outnumber the humans. Except, since they were designed to be a slave-race, they spend the whole time trying to make the humans happy.
Something about how it's exceedingly tiring having a race of people who spend every moment of their day desiring your approval. Especially when they're "competing" for praise and thanks from humans.

>> No.56149729

>>56141800
It's not about wether it's possible, it's about wether it's practical.

Why would you use slaves to harvest your crops if you can have a machine do it. The machine does it faster, better and it doesn't need "food" if it's not working, whereas with organic slaves you'd need to find something for them to do in the winter months when you can't grow crops.

>> No.56149783

>>56141955
>Physical strength is a lot less important in an industrial society and a society where warfare is won through ship battles, gun fights, and occasionally power armor.

If your soldiers are stronger you'll still have an advantage regardless of most technologies. A stronger soldier can carry more supplies or a bigger gun. Even if we assume the use of strength enhancing power armour, a stronger soldier can be augmented further.

>> No.56149801

>>56143205
>>56149577
Fuck, I know I have this screenshot saved but I don't know on what harddrive

>> No.56149888

>>56149783
Then why not just use robots, orbital bombing, or nanomachines to do your dirty work?

>> No.56149930

>>56140398
wtf is this?

>> No.56149951

>>56149930
Drowtales.

Take chakats or those things from avatar, and replace them with drow porn.

>> No.56150377

>>56145131
As the other anon said, you probably make your repair bots so that there's heavy redundancy. Almost anything that can make a bot fail can also kill a human, so you probably don't want your standard answer to a failure to be "send the meatbag".
Also, the guy could be a programmer with only notions in actual repairs. All he does when there's a problem is type lines of code so the bots know what to do.

>>56149783
Yeah, and having a strong sense of taste can help you detect NBC attacks, so it's definitely an advantage. Yet this isn't the most important factor to determines who wins a war.
Same thing with physical strength.

>> No.56150492

>>56149951
>chakats
why

>> No.56150542
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>>56150492

>> No.56150671

>>56150492
Buzzwords. Chakats get easy responses, despite no one on /tg/ ever having encountered them in a game ever.

>> No.56150834

>>56150671
I actually did in a Star Trek game.

They weren’t outright called it but “lion headed centaurs with no sexual dimorphisms that make your feel happy” is rather unsubtle.

Thankfully I was able to get past it without metagaming due to my characters paranoia of empaths setting off all the warning bells in my head.

Got in my hardsuit and ran tests on the hull until they had left. Never found out what happened with them.

RIP head engineer Mallard

The na’vi showed up too, but most of the stuff was run of the mill Star Trek episode stuff so I didn’t leave.

>> No.56150931

>>56144275
the sole human on board probably wouldn't be that out of shape, but yeah he probably wouldn't look like an adonis either

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>>56150931

>> No.56150985

>>56150931
Most humans need social interaction to stay sane. A ship like that would mean prolonged periods of isolation.

Neets are already well suited to the conditions aboard these mostly automated ships. They'd finally be useful.

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>>56150834
now that I think about it I probably missed all the orgies.

I kinda just stayed in engineering working on my totally illegal death phaser rifle, and my psionics sensor.

Probably for the best, as my character looked like a cross between pic related and Steve Buscemi

>> No.56151038

>>56150985
They would probably still have some assuming ftl communications and frequent space station stops.

>> No.56151069

>>56149729
because slaves can do other things besides just harvest crops?

you can add slaves to any task to assist the machines?

you can use them as sex objects and pamperers?

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56151106

Check the Loroi from the webcomic "Outsider".

>> No.56151114

>>56151069
Except well built robots can do all that and nanomachines have limitless potential.

And you don’t have to piss off countries and peoples to do all that.

And they don’t poo!

>> No.56151123

>>56151106
Reverse gender, psychic arabs

>> No.56151371

>>56150377
Makes sense. And if the usual responses don't work, sending in the meatbag is still an option,
(>>56145486)

>> No.56151453

>>56151114
Don't forget the sadistic thrill of dominating a lesser creature until it willingly serves your every whim. Robots might be more practical, but for a drow they'd be far less fun.

Also, just because it's sci-fi, it's not a given that technology has reached the point where it can solve EVERYTHING, like you seem to assume. Maybe it just isn't economical to use robots for everything?

>> No.56152457

>>56151453

What if the Drow use slave labor instead of robots because their homeworld was destroyed by an AI revolution and they want to prevent a machine revolt from happening again?

>> No.56153012

>>56140398
drow and humans share a common ancestor put on different planets by an older species to see what would happen.

>>56140648
I imagine post-FTL cyberpunk. No human rights, no government. Just person-to-person contracts, aka feudalism. An ancap dystopia of strong personalities and weak institutions.

>>56140826
I imagine a society that never saw anything wrong with slavery could keep it around long after slaves are useless for anything but sexual purposes. evolution would take over eventually...

>>56140903
>why not just clone? Um, reasons
religious ones. Lolth likes her evolution au natural.

>>56141598
I can't imagine drow ever doing mass production actually. I imagine they just use lots of slave labour and a few thousand year old autists who know how to build every piece by hand. And only pass on the knowledge of how to make the ships verbally.

>>56141717
I imagine Drow would be behind on machines but ahead on gene manipulation.

>> No.56153099

>>56144162
you can't rape a golem.

>>56144340
I like this. In a polytheistic setting, NotLolth is the goddess of dark and chaos. NotCorellan is the god of light and order. Their templse disagree on who should be pre-eminent. A few thousand years of standoff without interbreeding between the faithful, and you get two completely different races.

>> No.56153155

>>56153099
>you can't rape a golem.
You aren't trying hard enough.

>> No.56153180

>>56146975
It's entirely possible that parallel evolution would lead to worldviews so different that some technology is just closed off to the other side. A human might never get how a drow just sings the qualities she wants her spider babies to have and they hatch that way, we might just not have the physics framework for it to make sense how it works.
Similarly, something in the Drow worldview might be incompatible with figuring out robots instead of slaves.

>> No.56153203

>>56153099
>you can't rape a golem
Not with that mentality, son.

>> No.56154407

>>56152457
Is it that important to you that humans are superhightech robot masters who get to lord it over drow?

>> No.56154658

>>56154407
Why are you so superdedicated to the fact that drow have to have robots?

If the creatures that had the robots were anything other than humans you wouldn’t have this issue.

>> No.56154960 [DELETED] 

>>56154658
Not him, but I honestly don't like the idea that humans have advanced AI, sure lots of robots, lots of automation, lots of expert systems, but nothing smart enough to deal with something unexpected/unplanned

Mind you I liked the original idea of the fat slob of a human who traded in his mother's basement for a cushy job as the sole crew member on a spaceship where all he (usually) has to do is tell a robot "go around the crate you dumbfucks" or tell them which repairbot needs to get sent to the hull now cause even if the onboard AI is smart enough to tell something's wrong, it's not reliably smart enough to tell WHAT exactly is wrong

Drow just throw warm bodies at these sorts of problems till it goes away

>> No.56154973

>>56154407
>>56154658
Not him, but I honestly don't like the idea that humans have advanced AI, sure lots of robots, lots of automation, lots of expert systems, but nothing smart enough to deal with something unexpected/unplanned

Mind you I liked the original idea of the fat slob of a human who traded in his mother's basement for a cushy job as the sole crew member on a spaceship where all he (usually) has to do is tell a robot "go around the crate you dumbfucks" or tell them which repairbot needs to get sent to the hull now cause even if the onboard AI is smart enough to tell something's wrong, it's not reliably smart enough to tell WHAT exactly is wrong

Drow just throw warm bodies at these sorts of problems till it goes away

>> No.56155264

>>56154658
Why deal with meatbags that tire out when you can get CLANKED?

>> No.56155407

>>56140398
The space drow are the artificial, genetically engineered, pleasure slaves of a now-destroyed civilization.

Their programming requires them to have owners, but they also can only take a master who would be on par with their original creators.

So, to find that, they've started using the ancient ships, retrofitted for their use, to find someone worthy enough to serve. And to kick the asses of everyone until they find them.

They're ruled by a very uptight queen (uptight because she's constantly on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Their society has everyone being the slave of someone else... but as queen, no one owns her.)

So they're in a war they don't want to win, but can't lose either.

>> No.56155695

In the setting I'm playing in, the space elves have a psychic wireless network that uses their ears like antenna. They have a sort of low-level hive mind where the more you get together, the more effective and efficient they become, essentially functioning as one brain in hundreds of bodies. Makes them incredibly effective as crew until one of them gets hurt.

>> No.56155712

>>56153099
>I like this. In a polytheistic setting, NotLolth is the goddess of dark and chaos. NotCorellan is the god of light and order. Their templse disagree on who should be pre-eminent. A few thousand years of standoff without interbreeding between the faithful, and you get two completely different races.

To me, the appeal is more about two societies that are technologically advanced, but almost frozen in time. Some Space Byzantines that lucked their way into an empire ala the High Crusade against the Drow who are well, Drow in spaaaace. It's an interesting dynamic, high tech medieval society.

>> No.56158143

>>56150985
You could probably program the bots to provide social interaction.

>> No.56158662

>>56154658
It's more about avoiding the "hurf durf, drow don't get robots, dey so dum", which is really what people were going for earlier.

For what it's worth, I don't think they should have MANY robots. Given their small industrial base, it wouldn't make sense for them to use them for menial labour or mass combat when slaves are easily available.

I also like the idea of drow having AI, but being too paranoid to put them in charge of anything really big, like life support systems.

>> No.56158924

>>56158662
Then what system? That one lightswitch that we don't know what it turns on and off and in fact it may not have anything to do with the actual lights? Or maintaining the proper raping temperature in the captain's jacuzzi?

No, wait, that last one is a vital system. Okay, then maintaining the proper bubble elasticity in the vice captain's rape jacuzzi.

>> No.56159023

>>56158924
Well, I meant more along the lines of data analysis, feeding the slaves, recycling waste into slave food, recycling slaves into slave food, and so on. You know, the stuff that's too advanced for regular slaves, but still tedious and unappreciated. Middle management.

Your ideas are good too, though.

>> No.56159055

>>56159023
Well I definitely wouldn't want it responsible for the care and feeding of the slaves, oh no. Not to overstate their value, but if it goes rogue and decides to stop feeding them then I'll miss those guys. I mean what am I going to drow rape? Orcs? Pft, fuck that noise, those guys don't shower. I mean literally, and it's all the fault of the AI in charge of the orc showers.

Also that one time the AI convinced the slaves that it would be in everyone's best interest to drill open the captain's head and install the AI in his skull so it could run things. Good times were had, but certainly not by all.

>> No.56159073

>>56158662
What if Lolth herself is a paranoid AI that banned the development of other AIs?

>> No.56159080

>>56159073
Yeah, see, no, it's that kind of thinking that gets you abducted by her spiderbots and cybernetically augmented into a cyberdrider.

>> No.56159105

>>56159055
Well, you could always make them do canned announcements in the slave breeding pits. In a Stephen Hawking voice.

>The - house - appreciates - your - contributions - to - the - house - resources.

>The - high - matron - has - ordered - a - batch - of - half-orcs - for - her - niece's - sweet - 160. Prepare - for - mingling.

>Oh - Spider - Queen - I - wish - I could - do - that.

>> No.56159205

>>56159105
These are drow. Space drow. That means they don't use vulgar vocal announcements. I mean what are they, common human plebs? Oh no, they rely on the Celestial Web where countless tiny robotic spiderbots create the daily announcements Charlotte style.

Mm mm, that's some pig-orc!

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>>56140398
bump with pic related

>> No.56160311

>>56141684
I like the idea of using some kind of "space webbing" to ensnare ships. Woven strands of quantum filaments or some technobabble shit, typically strewn across major space lanes between star systems. Yank a ship out of warp or hyperdrive, whatever is used, and keep it locked down for boarding parties.

>> No.56160667

>>56160311
Might be able to achieve something similar with drone ships and tractor beams/tethers, however that reminds me quite a bit of the Tholian web.

>> No.56162712

>>56160311
Emp something something acronym that spells WEB

>> No.56164800

>>56140421
What about them?

>> No.56164944

>>56159205
this isn't a drow though, is it? it's an AI system.

And due to drow backstabbery tendencies and a whole bunch of other issues, attempts to sabotage or get rid of the AI only mutated it into having a Sirius Cybernetics-esque Genuine People Personality,.

On a possibly related note: suicide is up sixteen percent among all Drow.

Actual suicide, not murders disguised as suicides.

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robots > drow

>> No.56165237

>>56140398
Space Age is literally the best wank material in years. The only porn I've ever paid for.

>> No.56165312

>>56165237
>not letting the russians pay for it and then joining the botnet to get access

>> No.56165387

>>56165312
I loathe Russians.

>> No.56165422

>>56165237
nani

>> No.56165446

>>56165387
Get out of here Stalker.

>> No.56165499

>>56165387
they're a danger to themselves more than anything else

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>>56141684
>>56160311

By the time I saw this thread it'd passed the point of being included, but first off, tachikomas but used as Dreadnoughts to house the souls of honored drow.

second off, intelligent eusocial spiders whose hive mind can communicate with the drow, and who can also synthesise special drugs for recreational and offensive uses.

thirdly: giant electric nets can be used to capture solar winds and move ships around like solar sails.

>> No.56165974

>>56165387
And they laugh at you

>> No.56166830

>>56162712
>something something acronym that spells WEB
Weaponized Enigma Booty?

>> No.56167128

>>56162712
Weber Energy Bola?

>> No.56167199

>>56162712
Weird Energy Beam?

>> No.56167349

>>56162712
>The acronym WEB was already taken by the race of mindflayers who hooked the Elder Brain up to the internet.
Weaboo Elder Brain.

>> No.56167559

>>56166830

Honestly "Weaponized Enigma Blanket" or something like that, have "enigma" be some weird space magic/science thing they use.

>> No.56171044

>>56167559
Weaponized enigma beam?

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>>56171044

Also good.

All their big scientific effects are "[adverb] Enigma [noun]"

>> No.56172766

>>56164944
>this isn't a drow though, is it? it's an AI system.
We're talking about an AI on a drow ship, right? I personally like the idea of a more decentralized spiderbot based computer network with information flowing through a rather more literal web than our worldwide one. Search crawlers can be quite literal for them.

>>56165387
Please point on the result map where they touched your election.

>>56167559
The booty is the best part of the space elf, though.

>> No.56172822

>>56172766
>The booty is the best part of the space elf, though.
This is undeniably true, but I can't see it's use as a ship to ship weapon, something to keep unruly slaves compliant like a hypnobooty or smothering by ass sure, but spaceship weapon? No

>> No.56172889

>>56172822
You aren't thinking like a drow. Their ships are designed to advertise their charms. It is both a lure and a psychological ploy, for who can shoot on such a perfect representation of booty improbably built into a starship's haul?

Also their ensnarement beams literally works by drawing on the attraction of their asses, the pure quantum essence of Dat Ass. It's science, my good anon.

>> No.56173460

>>56140826
>women might outright be stronger and bigger than males
that is just simply not what matriarchal means at all. there have been matriarchal societies in our own history, and men were still bigger and stronger and made up most of the soldiers.

>> No.56173491

>>56173460
>there have been matriarchal societies in our own history, and men were still bigger and stronger and made up most of the soldiers
You are talking about native Americans, right?

>> No.56173583

>>56173491
If I remember my sociology correctly those were less true matriarchy and more matrilineal.

>> No.56173598

>>56173583
Then what other matriarchal societies had standing armies and soldiers instead of hunters banding together for war?

>> No.56173630

>>56173598
Why ask me? I'm not that anon.

>> No.56173926

>>56140398
Romulans vs pre Federation Humanity. Just make Romulans sexy.

>> No.56173991

>>56173926
>Just make Romulans sexy.
They are already. And their uniforms are so flattering.

>> No.56174109

>>56173460
I know, I was suggesting it though really for both amazon fetishism and to give a stronger, alien contrast to humans.

>> No.56174151

>>56173491
There's quite a few classed as matriarchal. Thank google for this one:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/31274/6-modern-societies-where-women-literally-rule

I don't think any of those are pure matriarchies, myself, mostly matrilineal stuff. Which frankly is purest 4chan since as I understand it matrilineal systems were mostly put in place to ensure integrity of the ruling line both in the larger sense of who governs society and also the homes. Because you can't always tell who the daddy was, but it's fairly hard to hide who had a kid fall out of her vag.

>> No.56174784

>>56172889
Truly it is the weaponization of the enigma booty. My god, can humanity hope to survive?

>> No.56175093

>>56166830
Metal Rear?

>> No.56175602

>>56151106
>check Outsider

Why? I only checked it five years ago, I'm sure it hasn't updated this soon

>> No.56175604

>>56175602
He apparently had a burst of turning out a page every month or so

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>>56175604
Oh gosh, that's kind of amazing.

>> No.56176761

>>56173926
>implying Romulans aren't

>> No.56176870

>>56175710
the threads we had with Talon and jealous Beryl were awesome.
Fireblade is still best girl

>> No.56177043

>>56141767
A lot of stuff in TES is just basic fantasy.

>> No.56177072

>>56164800
No, anon is talking about t.i.ts the sister game of CoC

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>>56177072
T.I.T.S. has drow?

Is it worth playing?

>> No.56178289

>>56175093
We're on to something here. This is important.

>> No.56178312

>>56173991
>>56176761
Spotted the Tal Shiar.

>> No.56178551

>>56172822
>>56172889
>Weaponized Elven Bodaciousness
This is one of the few reasons for Space Gundams that make a degree of (warped) sense

>The Space Drow are so obsessed with flaunting their beauty that their spaceships are huge, anatomically correct mechas
>They keep showing up all blurry in battle reports
>The human federation's sensors aren't actually that bad (and the elves are religiously opposed to cloaking devices)
>It's just that the War Council ordered all ships fitted with integrated real-time censoring

>> No.56178683

>>56178551
>Meanwhile onboard the human ship
"Is it weird that I think the drow ship lactating itself to fire nipple lasers at us is hot?"
"It'd be weird if you didn't, lieutenant. This is the captain to all hands. Assume the position, we're taking the dive on this one!"

>> No.56178698

>>56178551
What aesthetic do you think fits the humans?

>> No.56178798

>>56178698
To deal with hypersexualized space drow? I'm thinking the cliche repressed British kind of military, but in a very self-aware manor like lieutenant is actually spelled leftenant. I'm thinking Black Adder WWI with upper crust prime and proper leadership and cockney rank and file.

>> No.56178841

>>56178698
>What aesthetic do you think fits the humans?
Well if the Drow are gonna launch giant robotic babes at us, I suppose our time-honored tradition of multistage rockets or larger but streamlined space shuttle-style craft would, shall we say ... "fit". "Hit the spot." "Penetrate their defenses."

I'm saying just keep building flying phalli like always

>> No.56178945

>>56178551
So... would the ships be modeled after the pilots/captains?
Cause if so I love the idea of there being a degree of cybernetic integration/uplinking between ship and captain

>> No.56179025

>>56165237
It can't be that good, can it?

>> No.56179174

>>56178841
I have the feeling that this is going to lead to Drow space stations where their hot lady ships dock via stripper polls. And let's not even talk about how ships dock with each other.

>> No.56179207

>>56179174
"Captain, why do our ships moan after they complete pelvic docking?"
"It's to let us know the procedure is complete and we're free to offload seamen into the other ship."
"You mean spacemen, right?"
"Not really."

>> No.56179265

>>56178551
There’s a Cordwainer Smith story where the Instrumentaliy (the major human government) deploys a massive, anatomically correct, humanoid mech. The thinking is very specifically that the aliens need to know who kicked their ass.

They also send a boring cube. The cube is there to kill the aliens’ star if the asskicking doesn’t work out. The Instrumentality doesn’t fuck around.

>> No.56179284

>>56178551
>>56178683
>>56178798
>>56178841
>>56178945
>>56179174
>>56179207
As amusing as the idea is, it is a bit too ridiculous, maybe it's just limited to mechs?

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>>56178841
So like pic related

>> No.56180537

>>56179284
>it is a bit too ridiculous
No no, we're going full magical realm that guy territory.

>> No.56180581

>>56177816
No, it's not really worth it. It's actually pretty trash. Futas and furries and trannies fucking everywhere.Yes, I know what I wrote.

>> No.56180666

>>56178841
This has officially become a spaceship porn thread

>> No.56180687

>>56180537
Magical realm =/= ridiculous anon
SoD can only stretch so far before it hurts the narrative

>> No.56180753

>>56180687
>Magical realm =/= ridiculous anon
If you actually read all those links and don't see the obvious magical realm elements, shit son, I don't know what to say to you other than it isn't necessarily any less magical realm just because you're doing if facetiously.

>> No.56180856

>>56179284
>>56180537
>>56180753
Honestly, my biggest problem with it is that seduction has NEVER been a drow forte. They're not lamia or nymphs, they'll just shoot you full of paralytic bolts and drag your ass back to the dungeon. They're also autistically terrible at diplomacy outside of their own internal politics.

>> No.56180869

>>56180753
I would, however, argue that there is nothing necessarily wrong with magical realm when done facetiously. It does, however, limit the potential audience.

>> No.56180965

>>56180856
These aren't just Drow, these are Space Drow. They've learned.

Besides, not all Drow are the same. They certainly understand seduction, especially as it pertains to their own political alliances. The notion is that largely Drow society doesn't do this with outsiders due to their own racism. Why lower yourself to seduce an animal? Some still do, but the payoff for the non-Drow will typically be a dagger or poison or poison dagger or anus full of poison spiders and also poison daggers, rather than consummation. It's their typical power dynamic. Why treat a human as an equal when ultimately you're only playing along until you can assert your rightful power over it.

>> No.56181063

>>56180856
The impression I was getting was that the drow were doing it more out of vanity than seduction

>> No.56181152

>>56181063
I also got the impression, at least form the jokey posts here, that humanity wasn't so much seduced as deciding that as horrible rapey conquerers go they could do worse. I mean at least it's easy on the eyes.

>> No.56182163

>>56180965
Now i kinda wonder how Drow would react to a human who was literally immune to both bladed weapons and poison and universally liked by all spiders...

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56182187

>>56181063
>>56181152
See, I'm imagining Space Drow to be more along the line of the Cravers from Endless Space. Except, you know, with lots more backstabbing. And rape. And a better sense of aesthetics.

Okay, so really only the disregard for other races, but you know what I mean.

>> No.56182594

>>56182163
An evil Druid can end up with most of that stuff, I think.

>> No.56183067

>>56182163
As long as he's not immune to things going up his anus they'd be fine. Experimentation is at the core of science, after all.

>> No.56183697

>>56183067
Let's say he also likes buttstuff but has a strong dislike towards femdom in addition to enough strength to escape from any conventional Drow guard. What use could a Drow society find for him?

>> No.56184061

>>56180753
This anon >>56180869 pretty much summarized my thoughts

>>56180856
>>56181152
>>56182163
>>56182187
>>56181063
I was sorta thinking it was out of vanity as well


Thinking about the idea more (and opting to keep the magical nature of it) I think what I'd do is have the drow be really good at bioengineering/cybernetics, their "mechs" are each both custom made combat craft and biomechanical (and yes, anatomically correct) monuments to the pilot's vanity. Larger ships might/might not follow the same theme but they are usually also custom made half living/half machine monuments to their captain, add in cybernetic uplinks and almost all drow consider their ship/mecha part of themselves, able to control it and feel things through it as if it were their own body (and yes includes pleasure, it's not uncommon for a drow to thoroughly enjoy her mech undergoing maintenance or have a special play room in her ship where the walls are ...sensitive). Truth be told their tech isn't all that great compared to everyone else's but considering they worship vanity almost as much as they worship Lolth, they cut no corners in their ship/mecha's construction leaving them both costly to make, but also quite effective in battle and another sign of opulence.

Another side effect of their skill at genetic engineering is that they've set up a clear genetic caste system, priestess on top, slaves on the bottom, (and may or may not have removed the need for males, not sure yet, probably have their own minor caste), cybernetics/gene enhancement is common, frequently done to make a drow more deadly/beautiful and for magical realm reasons the higher up the caste they are the more curvy/muscular they are
1/2

>> No.56184087

>>56184061

Socially they're not so much one nation as a huge clusterfuck acting under one banner when outsiders threaten them and nominally all serving Lolth (who may or may not be a biomechainal A.I., actual goddess, or queen of the Drow, the lines would be blurred either way), different factions will raid or trade with foreigners regardless of the relationship between their two nations unless Lolth, or someone high up declared otherwise (and even then they'll do it if they think they won't get caught)

Slavery is done more out of cultural inertia/a specieswide to dominate others (possibly added in as a genetic tweak early in their history). They don't need to, but they're all addicted to femdoming others
2/2

Thoughts? additions? ect?

Might mix in traits with that one matriarchy caste system idea I posted on /co/ a few weeks ago

>> No.56184533

>>56184087
Well, for some additional vanity stuff...being genetics specialists they'd have the means to convert their own eggcells into sperm cells for the purposes of species propagation, but it's seen as a great honor or boon to have an organic male to impregnate oneself - it means you were tough enough to subdue and dominate whatever your breeding slave is.
So make them into space amazons.

Another piece, with how beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the race's divided into likeminded factions where one claims muscles are true beauty and another claims the drow equivalent of freckles is, and maybe a small subsect of gentle-minded motherly types consider inner beauty more important than looks, and gets regularly btfo by other more surfacial drow.
The only time they're all united under one ruler is when the ruler has a vast majority of traits considered beautiful, and thus the vast majority of factions under her thrall.

Other than that, breddy gud.

But why was i (>>56182163) quoted when i didn't even raise a proper point but a question about drow meeting something they have a hard time enslaving?

>> No.56184912

>>56184533
>Well, for some additional vanity stuff...being genetics specialists they'd have the means to convert their own eggcells into sperm cells for the purposes of species propagation,
Sorta what I was thinking if I went with "they have no males", but either way that's probably something fairly simple for them to do. They may not of intentionally bred out males, just instead started doing that and now males are fairly rare
I could also see parthenogenesis being common

>but it's seen as a great honor or boon to have an organic male to impregnate oneself - it means you were tough enough to subdue and dominate whatever your breeding slave is.
>So make them into space amazons.
Good idea, probably wouldn't do that explicitly though, instead going for breeding often being done with a favored slave/prisoner/toy and if something was really enjoyable to conquer and dominate he's probably doing to be her favorite for a while

>Another piece, with how beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the race's divided into likeminded factions where one claims muscles are true beauty and another claims the drow equivalent of freckles is, ect...
>The only time they're all united under one ruler is when the ruler has a vast majority of traits considered beautiful, and thus the vast majority of factions under her thrall.
I do love the idea different factions have different ideals of beauty, it's a really fitting addition, leadership bit I'm iffy on, though maybe each think Lolth meets their ideal? Or perhaps just the major houses's? They support her and in turn she supports them, making this relationship the most stable they've ever had?


>But why was i (>>56182163) quoted when i didn't even raise a proper point but a question about drow meeting something they have a hard time enslaving?
No idea now that you ask, was going down the line and probably misclicked, sorry about that

>> No.56185426

>>56184912

>maybe each think Lolth meets their ideal? Or perhaps just the major houses's? They support her and in turn she supports them, making this relationship the most stable they've ever had?
That sounds about right, although my initial point about rulers holding a large amount of traits could still be worked in. Either:
A: The leaders act more as squad/battalion/military unit commanders than proper rulers, having at their absolute best a random planet as a summer home for services rendered.
Or B: The rulers are hand-picked by Lolth based on their traits to pretend they consider a given trait beautiful in order to have some semblance of unity to the warring factions - the rulers themselves find Lolth attractive due to something unique to her and she rules because of that.

Another piece, since the mechs are anatomically correct and basically mech-sized vanity displays, whenever factions start a fight between each other the modus operandi is to tear off or "strip" the armor plating clothes analogy off the mech to get at the softer "skin" and cause imperfections.
Basically kaiju-scale catfights in space.

And some tidbits for good measure: the gfd faction is tolerated because they rarely fight others and mostly just act as healers and mechanics.
Lolth is a sort of biomechanical god-computer with an organic 'interaction body' (think a cross between the water machines from Axiom Verge and Copy Dolls from MMBN6,)
Maybe the gfd faction has the easiest time trading with others, getting slaves and not getting caught going against orders, but keep their success to themselves so others wouldn't get more uppity at them.

>> No.56185849

>>56185426
>That sounds about right, although my initial point about rulers holding a large amount of traits could still be worked in.
I could see both, A making up the vast majority of small bands of drow raiding parties/military forces, B making up large, stable(well stablish) institutions.
Though come to think of it "Can easily kill me" is probably the one trait all drow can agree is attractive in another drow.

>Another piece, since the mechs are anatomically correct and basically mech-sized vanity displays, whenever factions start a fight between each other the modus operandi is to tear off or "strip" the armor plating clothes analogy off the mech to get at the softer "skin" and cause imperfections.
>Basically kaiju-scale catfights in space.
That works too, I'll admit going off the original idea I was thinking the mechs are typically "nude", but ornamentation is one of the primary uses of clothing. Either way against nondrow at least they mostly likely stick to hit and run tactics to minimize damage. Probably means drow mechs are lightly armored but very maneuverable


>And some tidbits for good measure: the gfd faction is tolerated because they rarely fight others and mostly just act as healers and mechanics.
Makes sense

>Lolth is a sort of biomechanical god-computer with an organic 'interaction body' (think a cross between the water machines from Axiom Verge and Copy Dolls from MMBN6,)
More or less what I was thinking

>Maybe the gfd faction has the easiest time trading with others, getting slaves and not getting caught going against orders, but keep their success to themselves so others wouldn't get more uppity at them.
I'd imagine if combined with the above point they would be a very attractive target for other drow to enslave members of though

>> No.56187613

>>56182187
Explain
I'm unfamiliar with them

>> No.56187903
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56187903

>>56187613
Eucsoical weapons created by the virtual endless until the virtuals and the concrete killed each other off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4rgswnjpZg
https://wiki.endless-space.com/factions/cravers
https://wiki.endless-space.com/comics/cravers

>> No.56187973

>>56187613
Basically biomechanical insects with a built-in hunger for everything. They come to a planet, deplete all resources, and move on because they're constantly hungry. Although, it is possible for small bands of them to integrate with other species, their eusocial society having made them fairly good at taking orders and working for the greater whole, and they'll keep working so long as you feed them.

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56188026

>>56187973
You still don't want them on your planets even if they are model citizens though due to them depleting the planet. Only Horatio would want them and that is only to make sauce out of them.

>> No.56190375

>>56187903
>>56188026
So how were you thinking of making the drow like them?

>> No.56191125

>>56179284
It's not like this was ever a serious project for /tg/. Maybe people got some ideas from it, maybe a laugh, maybe a boner - but that's as far as this thread was ever destined to go.

>> No.56192258

>>56185849

>Though come to think of it "Can easily kill me" is probably the one trait all drow can agree is attractive in another drow.
Probably. Maybe that's why they're not at each other's throats 24/7 - they respect each other because for all their perceived flaws like liking muscles of flaxen hair or what have you, they're still tough enough to fight each other on even footing, and that's gotta command some respect.
But a trait specific to Lolth would be something like "has technical immortality" or "sleek, eternally perfect machinery surfaces".
Something flesh and blood drow will have a hard time replicating.

>I'd imagine if combined with the above point they would be a very attractive target for other drow to enslave members of though
See, there's two reasons i can think of why that wouldn't work for long.
For one, i've described them as motherly and gentle medics and mechanics.
A decent-sized part of motherhood is disciplining and scolding your children for doing something bad.
As such, the gfd-faction may punish other factions who try to enslave their people by withholding healing and repairs until the other drow learn their lesson and release their enslaved sisters.
For a somewhat combat-oriented race, loss of healing and/or repairs would be a serious issue.
For two, in case you misunderstood, they're not greedy girls who trade for all they can and keep their wealth to themselves, they're more towards humblebragging.
They don't flaunt their hundred-strong reverse harem of semi-content slaves, nor do they boast about sitting on a pile of supplies and material wealth.
They'll thank their good fortune for their successful conquests and joke about getting free service for a bit of skin from traders if they're asked about it, and usually just don't call attention to their victories.
So most drow don't even know the medics are more efficient at enslaving, slave maintaining and trading than most other drow.

>> No.56192881

>>56192258
>Something flesh and blood drow will have a hard time replicating.
Probably, I can also see it held up as proof of her divinity

>See, there's two reasons i can think of why that wouldn't work for long.
I'm just saying, not being overtly strong might paint a target on their backs, that and I could see pretty much drow wanting a personal medic/mechanic

>> No.56192953

>>56192881
Nobody ever said they weren't strong - they're combat medics.
They just don't like infighting.

>> No.56194763

Surprised no one's mentioned Starfinder's take on space drow. They're after the contemplatives in the pdf.

>> No.56194947

They live in nebulae of magical darkness. This allows them to have zero-g orgies at the drop of a hat. Magical darkness is the drow sexual response.

>> No.56195181

>>56194763
That isn't sexy enough for a thread like this!

>> No.56195334
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56195334

>>56195181
MASSIVE ILLUSIONS

>> No.56195362

>>56195181
>not sexy enough
But look at that absolute territory on the lady's thighs

>> No.56195477
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56195477

>>56140398
>How do we make fapbait space drow vs humans into a playable setting without going full HFY or Mary Sue elves?
Re-write them from scratch. Delete the subterranean life style, the spider-goddess and the slavery. Or rather say, they *used* to have slavery, long ago...but that was before the glorious Revolution when the vicious matriarchal monarchy propped up by those wicked noble houses was overthrown, the Republic was installed, everybody came up from the caverns and industrialization began. Now male and female are equal, da? Though of course, some are are a bit more equal than others, comrade....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRymxxKPc5s

>> No.56195560
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56195560

>>56190375
Anon who first brought them up here, I guess I was mostly going for their disregard for other races, treatment of slaves, and utter contempt for diplomacy and restraint. One detail about the drow that gets pointed out in the first WotSQ novel is that they're ridiculously, insanely wasteful, to the point that their society is only sustainable because they're outnumbered by their slaves. By a lot.

Like the Cravers, they consume, and consume, and consume, and there's no way you can convince them to stop. See also their pseudo-fantasy counterparts in Endless Legend, the Necrophage. The difference is, those two are programmed, while the drow are plain arrogant and dogmatic.

Also, I really liked the picture.

>> No.56195705

>>56195477
Anon. Please. It was funny the first time. Hell, it was funny the fifth time. But by now it's literally been years since I've seen a drow thread where that picture didn't get posted. It's time to stop. The horse is dead. Let it rest.

>> No.56196167

>>56195362
There's a lot of empty realestate between those scrawny thighs, unless you meant the female drow (male)?

>> No.56196325

>>56196167
The one with the long hair and the mask

>> No.56196442

>>56196325
... So the scrawny one then. Well, there's a type for everyone, I guess.

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56196957

>>56195705
Well, I don't want them to be just a parody of east Europeans, so perhaps including that pic was in error. Actually now that I think about it, a better idea would be to use the early days Soviet Union under Lenin as a model. It's right after the Revolution, they've only just recently got warp drive and have built an enormous war fleet armed to the teeth with nukes, beam weapons and even some of those newfangled antimatter bombs. Now it's time to launch a great crusade to """""liberate""""" the galaxy from its oppressors, especially those nasty nasty humans!

Of course, the fact that human civilization is roughly on the same level as that of The Culture may pose some problems....

>> No.56197367

>>56196957
So you basically want them to not have a single thing in common with drow, then?

>> No.56197721

>>56194763
>paizo

>> No.56197790

>>56176870

A fellow man of taste I see.

>> No.56198093
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56198093

>>56197367
Seeing as how the drow as currently constituted are little more than fapbait, I'm going to have to go with yes.

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56198360

>>56198093
>Drow
>Reduced to nothing but fapbait

Maybe if you stopped searching for Drow porn you would find less of it. "Sex" is like fifth on the list of things people first think of when Drow are mentioned (Behind the way more obvious; Spiders, Nigger Elves, Slavery, and Underground)

But just to be a shitlord trying push his new NOT!drow snowflakes, I'll apply your dumb argument to the rest of common fantasy races

>Dwarves are all Urist's mining and drinking, we really need to freshen up such a boring and one dimentional race

>Elves are just treehugging archers and fapbait. Tolkien ruined elves.

>Halflings are so goddamn boring. They're all obsessive foodies and thieving shits. Also they're just fapbait, I can't ever find non-sexual character art when I google "hot shortstack action"

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>>56198360
>I can't ever find non-sexual character art when I google "hot shortstack action"

>> No.56199017

>>56198395
Alfie a shit

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>>56198360

>> No.56199551
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>>56199464

>> No.56199596
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>>56199551

>> No.56199616
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56199616

>>56199596

>> No.56200234

>>56198093
There's been plenty of non-lewd ideas that still follow drow themes in this very thread, anon. Apply yourself.

>> No.56202208

>>56140398
>without going full HFY or Mary Sue elves?
By not making it HFY or Mary Sue?

It's really that fucking simple

>> No.56202246
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56202246

>>56198093
And you are dumb, anon

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>>56195477
>This shit again
Can we finally stop having this posted? It stopped being funny in 2015.
That was 2 years ago.

>> No.56202694
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56202694

>>56140398
Dark Eldar
>hedonistic
>constant backstabbing
>slavers
>stealthy
>favor poison
>underdark - commoragh

>> No.56202733

>>56202694
Mods may have issue with that image.

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56202804

>>56202733
They can try. My IP is bouncing around the webway

>> No.56205215

So just how does Drow matriarchy work anyway?

The meme has them as reverse Taliban style social structure. But most official stuff seems to be just simply 1950s era sexism when you need your wife's name on the mortgage and there your bar from certain job opportunities like the priesthood.

Oddly all the Wizard seem to be male. Despite drow wizards being just as powerful as any other in Dnd. Which doesn't make sense to me much.

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56205370

>>56194947
> need magic for zero gee

Just have them live in the very centre of the earth. >>56195181
Gravity should cancel out and they'll be weightless

>> No.56205482

>>56205370
>Just have them live in the very centre of the earth
That seems like the hardest possible road to weightlessness.

>> No.56205646

>>56205482
I think he linked >>56195181 because that diagram shows specifically where the Earth's clitoris is, which frankly makes it the most Drow thing in the thread.

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56205755

>>56205482
>That seems like the hardest possible road to weightlessness.

Drows like extravagant. Building an awesome ology zone right in the literal centre of the earth out of the molten metal is a lot more impressive then just simply saying "oh it's a magic zone lol".

It's like comparing a hot spring retreat to jacuzzi.

>> No.56206799

>>56205370
Hollow earth?

>> No.56207788

>>56205215
Like this >>56202246 when it's played dead-serious

>> No.56208613

>>56207788
This >>56202246 is only worthwhile when those are female elves and instead of frowning the others are blushing in the last panel because they realized that is forbidden love.

>> No.56208828

>>56208613
Really becaus a straight inversion of traditional traditional gender roles seems more seems more... *retard*, than I was expecting.

I figured that was just a fetish meme version of them and the original version will be more reserved.

It's like Kirk being shirtless Star Trek. Okay yeah it does, happen, a lot. but not nearly to the degree people make out.

>> No.56209146

>>56208828
He's memeing you, anon. Drow sexism varies a lot depending on the drow's station. Noble males get more leeway, but are still held accountable by their relatives. With peasants it's a bit more mixed, but female drow are still stronger than male drow, so it tends to go the same way.

Male nobles aren't really required to respect female peasants, but if they were to try to outright hassle them in public they'd probably get a lashing from their relatives or superiors. Not because they care about the peasant, but because that shit undermines the female dominance. That said, the first and foremost drow law has always been "it doesn't count if no one saw it".

>> No.56209397

>>56208828
It is a fact that all elves but Drow are more repressed than even the Brits.

>> No.56209410

>>56206799
>Hollow Earth?
"My GOD. It's full of ELVES!"

And thus did /tg/ find its true purpose. The time, as they say, is now. We kiss our moms goodbye and leave the safe confines of our basements, packs laden with Cheetos, and our hearts and minds set on the adventure of a lifetime. Some for love of elves. Others for love of hate of elves. Others to finally achieve the harem of their dream. And others still to answer that age old question, "What do...?"

>> No.56211650
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56211650

>>56205215
>The meme has them as reverse Taliban style social structure
Drow women as MEMRI-style Islamic clerics is probably the most amusing memetic version

>> No.56211757

>>56140398
The space drow are being controlled by a elder god, and the humans have to break that control and recruit them.

>> No.56211910

>>56211650
This basically the hot new version of >>56195477

>> No.56212072
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>>56211650
That sounds like fun

>> No.56212443

>>56199017
>Alfie the shit

FTFY

>> No.56214647
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56214647

>>56151106
Basically Elerians from MOO2 in a webcomic?

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>>56177816
that image is relevant to my interests.

>> No.56214719

>>56194763
>purple skin
subdrow at best.

>> No.56214740

>>56214647
Man, that brings back memories...
Specifically of me fapping to the soldier one where you steal tech, at 12. Ah well.

>> No.56214783

>>56212443
>shitty art
>shitty writing
>preachy faggotry
Nah

>> No.56216636

>>56214783
Show us on the doll where InCase touched you, anon.

>> No.56216712

>>56205215
>Oddly all the Wizard seem to be male. Despite drow wizards being just as powerful as any other in Dnd. Which doesn't make sense to me much.

It's because the priesthood is seen as more prestigious in a society that is basically Lolth's attempt at playing Civ in her basement, thus all the noble houses tend to want to make their daughters clerics. Wizards are of lower rank, no exceptions, than clerics, but they're seen as the useful option for houses that want their dudes to contribute.

Men who are born into the noble houses with zero magical talent end up as canon fodder or snowflake swordmasters.

>> No.56216727

>>56216712

That and back when racial level caps existed, drow had a higher cleric level cap than they had a wizard level cap.

>> No.56217429

>>56140648
Holy shit that anon was right- it IS racist, except that Beyonce hasn't exhibited any sadistic tendencies yet. One altercation at Trader Joes could taboo the whole setting!

>> No.56217751

>>56177816

It's got the same problems that CoC had, and will end the same way, buried in billions of custom waifus you can modify and never actually advance the main plot or general arc.

>> No.56218842

>>56216636
Right on the sameface ;^}

>> No.56220158

>>56140398
fuck you

>> No.56222800

>>56220158
No

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