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In your choice of SW setting, who wins? For me it comes down to "what sort of Jedi are we talking about?". If we're talking about the Jedi of the KOTOR series then it's easily the Jedi, but I'm less confident about say, the Jedi of the prequels.

>> No.56017729

>>56017703
A single Jedi could defeat that many knights. Easily.

>> No.56017738

>>56017703
Knights have longer weapons and thus kill the Jedi with multiple thrusts. If they're in a formation no knights may even die in the process.

>> No.56017750

>>56017738

I dunno 'Force push' and 'That throw your lightsaber and boomerang it back' are both Jedi classic tricks and outrange a lance.

>> No.56017772

>>56017750
>That throw your lightsaber and boomerang it back'
Was that in the prequels? If so then my faith in the Jedi increases a fair bit. No doubt that force speed is also relevant.

>> No.56017780

>>56017738
Jedis can deflect incoming gunfire, i'm sure they can deflect a spear thrust.
Melting any spear, sword or shield in a single effortless swing.
I don't think this will be a fight at all.

>> No.56017787

>>56017738
>Force push
>Force pull
>Enhanced speed
>Few different levels of mind-tricks
>Crazy acrobatics
>Weapon capable of cutting through any "standard" material without any issues
>Having actual combat training going ever since childhood rather than being wealthy enough to afford weapons

And that goes without mentioning a single Dark Side power. Force pull alone, even performed by a complete rookie, is capable of disarming entire crowd of people and comes with zero effort.

>> No.56017792

>300 galactic space wizards with longswords that can slice through any material we have today and magical powers beyond anything your average bupkus could comprehend
>6,000 guys in suits on horses

hm

>> No.56017805

>>56017738
precognition + weapon that can effortlessly cut through steel = longer weapons just mean it'll take slightly longer for the jedi to slaughter the knights.

>> No.56017811

>>56017772
Vader throws his lightsaber at luke, it doesn't show it boomeranging back,
but as it cuts to the next scene it is back in his hand.

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>>56017703
>but I'm less confident about say, the Jedi of the prequels.
You mean you have no confidence in people who train combat and their magic powers since they are 4-5 years old and are in fact the apogeum of Jedi training regime?

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>>56017738
Mace Windu beat an entire army of battle droids with his bare hands. Your fucking over-armored racist European white dudes don't stand a chance.

>> No.56017863

>>56017703
Both sides win, as the jedi would have no reason to fight, but would just ask (with mind control powers) why there are so many knights around.

The knights, seeing as they have come across a group of pilgrims in uncomfortable itchy robes and small metal sticks, oblige to tell them their quest, and both sides leave amicably.

>> No.56017868

>>56017843
Why are they not using their superior range and fire on him from the distance? Especially since he has no weapon to deflect the shots.

>> No.56017874

>>56017868
The Force

>> No.56017879

>>56017868
Le droids are stupid

>> No.56017882

>>56017829
The ones who got effortlessly wiped out by clonetroopers, yeah.

>> No.56017892

>>56017703
>Combat-trained space wizards using tech so advanced it could be magic too vs bunch of uneducated, untrained guys on horseback with absolutely no other advantage than numerical superiority
The word you are looking for is "slaughter". And you could use just 3 Jedi for that, not 300

What next? A thread about a WW1 German platoon sent to fantasyland? It's been a while shitposting of those was common sight /tg/

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>>56017882
>effortlessly
>after the Jedi were spread out thin across the Outer Rim and the Dark Side clouded their vision for the largest prank ever pulled on the galaxy

Re-evaluate your post. Try harder next time.

>> No.56017899

>>56017843
Who programmed these? They literally have laser guns. What is walking up to him supposed to accomplish? Not a single one of them makes any attempt to do anything except walk into him at a leisurely pace.

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>>56017703
>300 Jedi vs 6000 knights
>Each Jedi would have to kill 20 knights

A Jedi could probably kill that many people just by throwing a lightsaber into their ranks at head level. In one move.

Holy shit OP

>> No.56017906

>>56017882
>What is surprise attack, a literal backstab
>What are ranged weapons and a fuckload of concentrated firepower, including artillery
>What is execution
>What is betreyal
It's like you are retarded on purpose

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>>56017874
But I can clearly see one them firing albeit from a stupid distance and angle.

>> No.56017914

>>56017912
Shatterpoint.

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>>56017892
>WW1 German platoon sent to fantasyland
Don't fucking remind me that autism.

>> No.56017936

>>56017868
Because the order was to capture him alive
It's pretty hard to do when your option for ranger attack is a blaster cutting a hole in a body big enough to put a grapefruit inside.

>> No.56017944

>>56017924
Did they get a supply train from the real world? Ammo and fuel run out, anon.

>> No.56017991

>>56017944
That's why it was autism, anon. The amount of mental gymnastics people were pulling around this was just horrible, because it quickly turned into sperging about logistics and production and transport...
No, just fucking no. It's over 2 years and I still remember that shit firing up for entire summer of 2015.

>> No.56018013

>>56017936
That is a pretty fucking stupid order to be given to robots who have gattling laser guns for an arm.

>> No.56018027

>>56017899
>at a leisurely pace
That's the only pace they have, anon. Ever heard about the concept of lowest bidder in military context?
Also, the order was to capture him alive.

>> No.56018030

>>56017899
Space bugs is the answer.

>> No.56018032

>>56017944
Fuel for what? In WW1 cars were still a new thing and everyone was mostly relying on horses.

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>>56017703
All the Jedi have to do is swing their lightsaber and their enemy's swords, armors and limbs are going to be cut clean with no resistance.
It would be like fighting a man armed with a chainsaw while all you got are paper armor and sharpened carton sticks.

Now add the force to this and Jedis have ranged weapons too.

>> No.56018063

>>56018041
>It would be like fighting a man armed with a chainsaw while all your equipment and body is made out of wax
ftfy

>> No.56018083

>>56018063
Yeah, even better.
Thx

>> No.56018110

>>56017750
They aren't classic Jedi tricks. They're very rarely ever used. The typical Jedi is just a dude with a lightsaber who MAYBE knows how to use force push semi-effectively and can use precognition to parry projectiles travelling as fast as an arrow.

>>56017780
It's not one poleaxe being thrusted at them. It's multiple axes being thrusted from multiple directions. You can't block/cut them all at the same time and the number of attacks coming at you renders precog useless because Jedi aren't the Flash. As long as the Knights act like a bristling hedgehog of pointy sticks they should be able to wipe the Jedi out. The only option for the Jedi is to not engage.

>>56017787
All of which are rarely used, if ever, by your standard Jedi. Jedi Masters and main characters with super high Midi-Chlorian counts =/= Jedi Knight average.

>>56017805
They cannot charge because there are too many pointy sticks facing at them, and will end up getting poked by sheer number of pointy objects.

>>56017843
Not canon either in the EU or NuEU

>> No.56018140

>>56018032
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_combat_vehicles_of_World_War_I

>> No.56018149

>>56018110
>The only option for the Jedi is to not engage.
And it's not a bad option.

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>>56018110
>Let me ignore not just EU (which could be justified), but literally anything that's not New Hope
>Please, give me now your replies
(You)

Also
>It's not one poleaxe being thrusted at them. It's multiple axes being thrusted from multiple directions
All of which can be cut in single swing with ZERO resistance.
>You can't block/cut them all at the same time
Only that you can, since they literally can't stop your weapon in any way

>> No.56018166

>>56018110
>They cannot charge because there are too many pointy sticks facing at them, and will end up getting poked by sheer number of pointy objects.
Why would they charge? They just need to hit the knight's weapons before the said weapons hit them. When you factor precognition into it, this becomes completely trivial exercise.

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>>56017944
>>56018032
>>56018140

>> No.56018175

>>56018041
Knights if they're acting like actual knights, are going to be on foot wielding polearms in such numbers that you cannot charge their formation without getting impaled. Jedi have no armor and their lightsabers can only be used to sever a single weapon at a time. All you realistically need to kill one Jedi is two weapons being thrust at different vectors without giving him time to bug out (which isn't that hard).

On top of this compared to reality, Jedi fence like mongoloid retards with no idea of what a proper swordfight looks like (besides old Kenboi who knows not to expose your fucking back). Jedi doing shit like in The Phantom Menace's sorry excuse of a duel would die quickly to a formation. Very very quickly.

>> No.56018203

>>56018110
>You can't block/cut them all at the same time
... because?
I mean you have a fucking lightsaber cutting through polearms. We are talking about not!laserblade, capable of going through armour-grade steel without slowing down facing piece of wood.
That goes without mentioning such thing that there is a limited amount of people that can try to reach the same guy in the same time and your even more stupid assumption the guy in question would just stand on his spot and wait to get stabbed.

In other words:
Why are you retarded on purpose?

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>>56018175
>Have a weapon that can just cut away numerous polearms in single swing
>Lel, you can't charge them
or
>Be capable of inhuman feats of speed and acrobatics
>Lel, a bunch of guys with sticks are going to win
or
>Be a fucking space wizard
>Lel, bunch of guys with stick are going to kill you

Have it ever occured to you the only thing reliably stopping lightsaber is ANOTHER lightsaber, something your knights don't have? Their armour is useless, their shields are useless and their weapons are just as useless for parrying or creating a wall of pikes, because those can be cut in single swing or just worked around with ease.

It's as if you were trying to charge a machine gun nest with Swiss pike formation, because lel, nobody can get to you due to pikes creating an impenetrable wall, right?

>> No.56018245

>>56018149
>And it's not a bad option.
It isn't. Engaging a formation of fucking SIX THOUSAND men with long reach weapons would be stupidity of the highest order, and Jedi will physically tire before they could even fight that many and die from tiring (assuming that in fairness of the OP, neither side routs after sustaining 10% casualties). Better to simply kite and avoid direct contact.

>>56018159
>Let me ignore not just EU (which could be justified), but literally anything that's not New Hope
Under the old canon system the cartoon was not canon due to violating movie canon on account of Mace Windu clearly not being superman, and if Mace Windu is in fact that powerful, then he should be court martialed and gross incompetency on allowing so much of the Order to be butchered upon Geonosis.

>All of which can be cut in single swing with ZERO resistance.
Which doesn't mean much when there are multiple weapons being thrust at you simultaneously. You can only stop one at a time, and you don't have the ability to stop them all. Meaning you get skewered.

>Only that you can, since they literally can't stop your weapon in any way
They don't need to. You need to close several feet of polearm to even get close and there's multiple spikes being thrust into your body. You literally cannot cut them all at the same time because that's not how swords, not even magical plasma swords, work.

>Why would they charge? They just need to hit the knight's weapons before the said weapons hit them. When you factor precognition into it, this becomes completely trivial exercise.
Precognition doesn't help you when there's a giant formation of 6,000 pointy sticks pushing at you and thrusting in every direction of your facing. Either you do not engage at all, or you engage and get poked. The only way you can effectively beat a bunch of dudes with long pointy sticks is either by shooting them to shit or getting equally long pointy sticks and poking back from a safe(ish) distance.

>> No.56018258

>>56018175
You don't need to charge : you wield that light saber at those polearms and chop them down.

Why do you assume "a single weapon at a time" ? That lightsaber can get through several shafts in a single swing if they are really that densely packed.

When you have a light saber, you can afford to "fence like a mongoloids", since only another lightsaber (and some exotic alloys, forcefields or several dozen centimeters-thick metal blocks) can block your swings.

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>>56018245
>All this shit
Here, grab it, because apparently this is what you really want

>> No.56018265

>>56018110
>The typical Jedi is just a dude with a lightsaber who MAYBE knows how to use force push semi-effectively and can use precognition to parry projectiles travelling as fast as an arrow.

I can't think of a single named Jedi who never uses Force Push. Heck, Padawans and untrained Force Sensitive people can do it going by Rebels.

>> No.56018272

>>56018203
What the fuck do you not understand about a formation of polearms being thrust at you? Yes you can cut through one. Except there are numerous other heads all being thrust at you at the same time, and you cannot cleave multiple polearms in the literal same instance because your arms are not made of tachyons. A bunch of knights (nevermind six thousand) with polearms is basically a giant wall of pointy sticks. There is no vector of attack in melee that you do not get poked. The way to not get poked is to not get in range (read, not engage) or or have armor proof against sharp pointy metal bits.

>> No.56018283

>>56017787
>Knights aren't trained from 6

>> No.56018297

>>56018272

Or to chuck your lightsaber at them. Ranged weapons that don't give a crap about armour would do really well. Jedi did that plenty in the Clone Wars to carve through multiple battle droids.

>> No.56018300

>>56018242
Have you actually engaged in polearm formations before? Because you cannot cleave through multiple polearms in the same second. And there is an entire wall being thrust at them. The only way to not get impaled while engaging such a formation is either using a shield, a longer stick, or armor. The lightsaber is very useful, but isn't going to allow the jedi to overcome a 20:1 numerical disadvantage.

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>>56018272
>B-but there are many pikes!
Yes, and all of them can be cut down, so?
What next? Cowhide shields stopping machine gun bullets?

>>56018283
>Knights
>Trained
Oh Jesus...

>> No.56018311

>>56018110
>They [force tricks] aren't classic Jedi tricks. They're very rarely ever used. The typical Jedi is just a dude with a lightsaber who MAYBE knows how to use force push semi-effectively and can use precognition to parry projectiles travelling as fast as an arrow.

Obi Wan used them in New Hopes.
True, he was a veteran with Jedi Order training since childhood and a damn Master at that.

But what about Luke Skywalker ?
He got barely a few months of training and could use it with moderate efficency.

>> No.56018316

So even for the people who are happy with the "a jedi can't block six fucking polearms" idea, what's stopping those jedi from just spamming Throw Lightsaber?

>> No.56018318

>>56017703
Are the Jedi pragmatic enough to use a blaster?

>> No.56018322

>>56018262
What I want is for 4chan to grow up and seriously look at something with some actual experience, knowledge, and realizing that Jedi are not magic meme warriors, but not all that impressive mildly magic warriors as the movies clearly intend and display in every single appearance. The only reason why Jedi are effective in Star Wars is because Star Wars hasn't fought a proper war in a thousand years, and probably doesn't even remember how to war.

>> No.56018333

>>56018322
>what I want is for people to take my wrong opinions for granted

>> No.56018337

>>56018318

Depends on the Era. Rebellion-Era/Post Rebellion Era? Sure. Pre-Clone Wars? Not likely, as they are peacekeepers/diplomats primarily.

>> No.56018340

>>56017892
>uneducated, untrained guys
>medieval knights

These aren't peasant foot soldiers, friend.

>> No.56018348

>>56018307
>Yes, and all of them can be cut down, so?
>What next? Cowhide shields stopping machine gun bullets?
Are you retarded or do you not understand the fact that your hands can only be in one place at once, whereas the hands of 20 other men can be in 20 different places?

>>56018311
Obi Wan Kenobi is among the single most powerful Jedi Knights in history and Luke Skywalker is the son of Space Jesus Christ. Neither of them are good examples of what a normal Jedi is like, them being the poor bastards in the Genosis Arena, or the Jedi that got cut down by the 501st on Coruscant.

>> No.56018351

>>56018300
>Have capability to ignore weapon
>B-but it blocks all attacks!
Unles of course it's a weapon that cuts through wood, iron and flesh like a hot knife through butter and said weapon is just casually thrown into the crowd

But hey, you are retarded enough to actually argue a pike formation is capable of stopping a guy that is in the same time a literal wizard AND a soldier armed with a weapon that ignores any imaginable resistance that isn't slab of reinforced concrete.

>but isn't going to allow the jedi to overcome a 20:1 numerical disadvantage.
It's exactly what allows them to overcome the numerical disadvantage. It's like you never heard that superior weapon is the best multiplication of force.
Tell me - who is going to win. A single machine gun emplacement or 1000 French soldiers charging at it through open field? After all, single gun in no way can kill entire regiment, right?

>> No.56018359

>>56018348

>Obi Wan Kenobi is among the single most powerful Jedi Knights in history and Luke Skywalker is the son of Space Jesus Christ.

How about the two main characters of Rebels then? One is a Padawan who never finished his training and the other is a force sensitive with only a couple of years of training by said Padawan. Both can very easily do it.

>> No.56018371

Fore Push alone destroys any formations. Formations aren't relevant to this discussion unless the Jedi are pinned against a wall.

>> No.56018381

>>56018348
Fact:
You can throw lightsaber in the crowd, mowing targets down without fear of retaliation or losing your weapon
Fact:
Lightsabre can cut through any known contemporary material as if it was made of cardboard
Fact:
Formations are tightly-packed

So you don't even need to close to those people - why would you - and kill them all.

Also, are you really this retarded to assume the only side using tactics, strategy and formation is going to be your pike-armed knights?

>> No.56018385

Trying to hunker down against Jedi seems like a really stupid idea when Jedi have vastly superior mobility and ranged capabilities. They'd be better off trying to take advantage of the numbers and just overwhelm them.

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>>56018110
>>56018245
>>56018322
>>56018348
Seriously, please tell me you are just pretending and yearn for attention.

>> No.56018413

>>56018351
>But hey, you are retarded enough to actually argue a pike formation is capable of stopping a guy that is in the same time a literal wizard AND a soldier armed with a weapon that ignores any imaginable resistance that isn't slab of reinforced concrete.
I'm arguing that a formation of polearm toting knights can certainly take out a very small group of guys who die to soldiers with worse aim than ZANU guerrillas.

>Unles of course it's a weapon that cuts through wood, iron and flesh like a hot knife through butter and said weapon is just casually thrown into the crowd
Which doesn't matter. You can cut through one but the issue at hand is that there are multiple pointy sticks being directed at your body, at the same time, from different directions. You cannot cut them all at the same instance and thus you get skewered. In addition courtesy of the choreography in the movies, Jedi are liable to skewer themselves. It cannot be understated how utterly retarded the primary canon presents Jedi.

>Tell me - who is going to win. A single machine gun emplacement or 1000 French soldiers charging at it through open field? After all, single gun in no way can kill entire regiment, right?
Not a viable comparison considering a single machinegun is objectively superior option to Jedi Knights.

>> No.56018420

>>56018041
You got more of that stance thing? I'm sleep deprived and it made me laugh more than I wanna admit.

>> No.56018422

>>56018272
I just keep my stick of burning plasma vertical and swing left and right.
And repeat. Constantly.
And look as it cut through whatever poles are put in its path, letting their user with shorter poles and a difficult choice about what to do.

My lightsaber weights maybe 1 kg (and that's counting large), all in the handle firmly in my palm.
Sure, my arms might get tired eventually, as it's a lot of useless movement but that's why I got legs to run faster than those dudes in heavy armors who HAVE to keep formation if they don't want my pals to have a jolly good time.

Now, those "knights" can surround me and my pals and then press forward, counting on us tiring faster than they would.
That would be smart and could work... but then what's preventing the Jedi to just force push the first rank and use that to break the formation ?

>> No.56018436

>>56018359
>How about the two main characters of Rebels then? One is a Padawan who never finished his training and the other is a force sensitive with only a couple of years of training by said Padawan. Both can very easily do it.
They certainly would be a more valid example, although they have gotten nearly overwhelmed by CIS Droids.

>>56018371
That would have been great in all those times it would have been useful, but Jedi suspiciously forgot how to use it while dying horribly to droids/clones

>> No.56018439

>>56018413
Not him, but did you just confuse clone troopers with storm troopers?

>> No.56018441

>>56018413
Why would you engage a group of pikes?

Throw Lightsaber to kill them, if possible.
Force Push to scatter them, if possible.
Force Pull to fight them 1v1.
Force Speed to run away (same for Force Jump, but I can't remember if that was in the movies or not).

>> No.56018442

>>56018413
>You cannot cut them all at the same instance and thus you get skewered
Good thing they're slow-moving weapons and not laser beams and thus you don't NEED to cut them all at the same instance to not get skewered. Not to mention that you can, you know, move out of the way.

Seriously, just kill yourself retard.

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>>56018420
Sure.
The one about the sith are even more hillarious.

>> No.56018449

>>56018439

What's the difference? Out of curiosity?

>> No.56018451

>>56018041
>pic
I'm glad to admit that I had some of those ideas even as a kid.

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>>56018443

>> No.56018466

>>56018381
>You can throw lightsaber in the crowd, mowing targets down without fear of retaliation or losing your weapon
Like they did at Geonosis?

>Lightsabre can cut through any known contemporary material as if it was made of cardboard
Again, not relevant as the issue is not that it can cut, but rather that it can only occupy one place in time.

>Formations are tightly-packed
That's what makes them dangerous you nob. There's too many pointy sticks poking out to cut down at once.

>> No.56018467

>>56018441
Not too versed in SW lore outside of the movies, but is there a Force 'light fling into the air'?

>> No.56018472

>>56018449
One is an actual, capable soldier breed and trained for war and nothing else, while the other is a meme conscript with barely any training unable to hit any target ever (unless it's New Hope, that is).

>> No.56018473

>>56018436

>They certainly would be a more valid example, although they have gotten nearly overwhelmed by CIS Droids.

The CIS Droids were in a single episode of Rebels and they wiped the floor with them. That was actively a plot point of the episode, that the droids were so out of repair they were falling apart so even the Droidikas (Normally a massive threat) couldn't stop Jedi.

>> No.56018474

>>56017703
>but I'm less confident about say, the Jedi of the prequels.
What're you on about? The prequels were when the jedi being an OP military order started. Maybe if they were original trilogy jedi, when it was more about the spiritual aspect and even Yoda could barely lift an X-Wing, the knights might stand a tiny chance. Honestly, despite the prequels providing some pretty interesting settings and fluff, I like to pretend my hardest they're not cannon, because they fucked up the Jedi in so many more ways than mediclorians, especially by making fucking thousands of them.

>> No.56018475

>>56018398
No, I find it odd that people watch the movies and then somehow come to the conclusion that Jedi are superhuman warriors able to take 20:1 odds when they cannot reliably fight droids firing bolts of energy at softball speeds despite having precog. Jedi are good but they are not an unbeatable threat with polearms.

>> No.56018483

>>56018466
>Like they did at Geonosis?
I wasn't aware that all the droids at Geonosis had their weapons replaced with pointy sticks.

>> No.56018488

>>56018467

That's a basic use of the force, yeah. Heck, why are the jedi in this debate not going 'Find a large rock, throw it at Knight. Pick up dead knight and throw him at another knight'?

>> No.56018489

>>56018422
Lightsabers firstly are not light. They are in fact heavy and mentioned to be so in the canon, and behave like a couple KG sword when swung about. And the issue is that as you swing to the right, you are being poked in the right. If you swing right, you are being poked in the left. You only have one blade, and you are being poked left, right, up, and down.

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>>56018466
The sword will always get through, anon...

>> No.56018497
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>>56018466
>Again, not relevant as the issue is not that it can cut, but rather that it can only occupy one place in time.
AND?!

You can easily pull what this >>56018422 anon described. Literally just whirl this thing in front of you, making polearms aimed toward you - all of them - utterly useless, since you turn them into stubs with single cut at the end of your reach.
Or literally whirl your ass into the crowd, something that has been done against pike formations since FOREVER (but using shield insted, rather than weapon capable of cutting the poles down) and mow down the now defenseless polearm users, as they can't use their weapon or formation for their advantage.

It's like you are so entrenched with your pikes you fail to notice they were countered using contemporary weapons and tactics, while you argue a space wizard armed with piece of plasma can't do that.

Also
>Force push - formation cease to exists
>Force pull - formation cease to exists
Wow, sooooo effective against Jedi.

>> No.56018501

>>56018467
>'light fling into the air'
Fling what exactly?

>> No.56018504

>>56018473
>The CIS Droids were in a single episode of Rebels and they wiped the floor with them. That was actively a plot point of the episode, that the droids were so out of repair they were falling apart so even the Droidikas (Normally a massive threat) couldn't stop Jedi.
That didn't happen at all. The Rebels were on the ropes and were forced to use unconventional tactics manipulating the environment to deal with the droids. In a straight fight they would have been toast.

>> No.56018506

>>56018501
The knights

>> No.56018508

>>56018489
>You only have one blade, and you are being poked left, right, up, and down.
At which point you step back and avoid all the pokes.

>> No.56018515

>>56018483
>I wasn't aware that all the droids at Geonosis had their weapons replaced with pointy sticks.
I wasn't aware the Jedi simply force pushed the droids to the ground and threw their lightsabers at them, sustaining no casualties in the battle.

>> No.56018518

>>56018504
>were forced to use unconventional tactics manipulating the environment to deal with the droids

...I think we call that 'conventional Jedi tactics'. Seriously, the number of battles where the jedi DON'T manipulate the environment in some way is tiny.

>> No.56018522

>>56018475
>No, I find it odd that people watch the movies and then somehow come to the conclusion that Jedi are superhuman warriors able to take 20:1 odds when they cannot reliably fight droids firing bolts of energy at softball speeds despite having precog
Apparently we saw different movies, buddy.

>Jedi are good but they are not an unbeatable threat with polearms.
What is this? "Muh polearms" HEMA faggotry? You have a lighsabre vs piece of wood and you are constantly wanking about said piece of wood.
Also, this >>56018483
You boast first about entire barrage of RANGED attacks overwhelming the Jedi and then decide to assume a fucking stick is going to fare ever better

>> No.56018528

>>56018488
Depending on the terrain, if it is something solid like rock or concrete, they could just cut chunks out of the ground and throw that.

>> No.56018530

>>56018506
Closest thing I can think of is Force Choke or Force Whirlwind. The prior is dark side and the latter wasn't in the movies.

>> No.56018535

>>56018515

The CIS had things that could actually resist lightsabers/force push (Droidikas). They also had the Jedi surrounded...oh and had GUNS. 6000 guys with rifles? Sure...but you are playing into the Jedi strength.

>> No.56018545

>>56018515
The fact that you're capable of typing without brains is a miracle of nature.

>> No.56018549

>>56017703
>300 telekinetic wizards with precognition and hyperspeed and freaky acrobatics skills
>some armour bois
This is facebook-tier thirteen onions vs the sun idiocy

>> No.56018553

>>56018535

Addendum to this: The ranged weapons also allowed the droids to actually put the entire number of people to use at once. 6000 knights can't all be stabbing at the same time, a lot of them will be standing about doing nothing.

>> No.56018564

>>56018496
In reality the idea that the zweihander was effective is actually a myth. Greatswords were adopted shortly to counter pike formations and were swiftly dropped due to their lack of effectiveness. You need guns and artillery to break them up.

>>56018508
You can't step back. In order to engage them in the first place, due to having a very short blade you will be well within their range. Disengaging is dangerous and is liable to result in your death. This is exactly while polearms are so god damn dangerous and why they are a pain to fight.

>> No.56018566

>>56018515
>Throw sword
>Get shot
vs
>Throw sword
>dozens get maimed or killed

>> No.56018575

>>56018564
>You can't step back. In order to engage them in the first place, due to having a very short blade you will be well within their range. Disengaging is dangerous and is liable to result in your death. This is exactly while polearms are so god damn dangerous and why they are a pain to fight.
Except none of what you said applies when you destroy several enemy weapons every time you disengage, you braindead ogre.

>> No.56018579

...why do all these knights have polearms? Are we sure this isn't 'Jedi vs Swiss Guard' or something?

>> No.56018580

>>56018535
Barely any droidekas were present in the Arena. The majority of the killing was done by B1's and B2's which are little better/worse than Stormtroopers shooting at MC's.

>> No.56018582

>>56018564
Jedi are not only unencumbered, they are supernaturally swift. The "formation" poses no threat, and can't give chase unless it breaks, at which point it loses.

The jedi could literally sit back and TK rocks at the formation until they flee from the space wizards.

>> No.56018586

>>56018508
He might have a point if those 6000 knights manage to surround the Jedis, though :
Can't step back undefinitely at the center of a circle of steel.

Still, the knights would lose.

>> No.56018603

>>56018575
Except you aren't destroying several weapons, because in order to engage/disengage you need to sever multiple shafts in the same instant. The problem you fail to grasp is that you simply cannot engage. The lightsaber is too short, and brings the user in too close. They're gonna get impaled and die. Some may survive and disengage, but the Jedi will sustain casualties every time, and the knights meanwhile can eat up losses easy. The only way to win is not to play.

>> No.56018605

>>56018586
If they can't step back due to being surrounded, wouldn't they be able to Force Push forward?

>> No.56018608

>>56017703
jedis lose due to getting tired out, K:D heavily in favor of them though.

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>That one retard who just won't shut up about polearms and pike formation
What happend with the knights? Why they are armed with peasant weapon?

>> No.56018614

>>56018564
Lack of effectiveness ain't the same as uneffective.
It just means the Jedis are going to sustain some casualties but they only have to make ONE breach and then get close ONCE and then it's all about space monks going full spin, loving the smell of chared bacon on hot iron.

>> No.56018617

>>56018608
Jedi have supernatural endurance. They can rejuvenate themselves with space magic. They wear robes and have a nigh weightless weapon. How does the formation exhaust them?

>> No.56018624

>>56018582
>Jedi are not only unencumbered, they are supernaturally swift.
That's right. I remember all those Jedi using force speed all the time in the mov-

Oh wait they didn't.

>The jedi could literally sit back and TK rocks at the formation until they flee from the space wizards.
That's right. I remember all those Jedi pelting boulders are the droids in the mov-

Oh wait they didn't, and their most remarkable abilities include Darth Vader, the most powerful force sensitive ever, throwing industrial pipes.

>> No.56018626

>>56018608
>20:1
>Getting tired
I'd be surprise if they would even get warmed up

>> No.56018627

Jedi form a line and mass force-push the knights into a meaty paste. Can you imagine how much force that'd be? One jedi can fling a man across a room.

>> No.56018630

>>56018612
Over inflation of the nobility market lead to a crash in value of knights.

>> No.56018642

>>56018603
>Except you aren't destroying several weapons, because in order to engage/disengage you need to sever multiple shafts in the same instant.
Show me pictures of knights moving polearms of lightspeed. Otherwise what you're saying has no relevance to the discussion in the slightest.

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>>56018624
>Let me put fingers into my ears and start singing alound
>See? Your arguments are all now invalid

>> No.56018647

>>56018605
Yeah, and it has been said several times.
Again, not disagreeing with the fact that the Jedis would win. They would just have to be careful : that's a lot of people to slain.

>> No.56018648

>>56018612

Presumably because if they were armed with warhammers, he wouldn't be able to wank about his formations.

I mean, if we are going to go with 'Each side picks it's best weapon' how about we give the Jedi some choices too. Like say, Lightsaber Pikes, the weapons carried by the Temple Guard. Now the pointy stick is on the other foot!

>> No.56018652

>>56018624
>>Jedi are not only unencumbered, they are supernaturally swift.
>That's right. I remember all those Jedi using force speed all the time in the mov-
>Oh wait they didn't.
TPM, canonical use of force speed, dodging out of the way of Droideka shots in front of the blast door.
>>56018624
>That's right. I remember all those Jedi pelting boulders are the droids in the mov-
>Oh wait they didn't, and their most remarkable abilities include Darth Vader, the most powerful force sensitive ever, throwing industrial pipes.
Everywhere in the damned movies, but the biggest example is good o'l Sheevin chucking senate seats at yoda.

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>>56018612

>> No.56018665
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>>56018624
You're not even good at being autistic

>> No.56018667

>>56018659
Most manuals were written with rules in mind, specifically dueling rules. As such, you got access to specific weapons and terrain. End them rightly.

>> No.56018679

>>56018652
>TPM, canonical use of force speed, dodging out of the way of Droideka shots in front of the blast door.
Force Speed was used once in the entire god damn series by one of the most renowned Jedi Knights, who wasn't a master purely because he was bullheaded, and the prodigy Obi Wan Kenobi.

>Everywhere in the damned movies, but the biggest example is good o'l Sheevin chucking senate seats at yoda.
So your example is among the single most powerful force user in history accomplishing the grand feat of chucking Fiats.

That doesn't speak well of Jedi Knight S'hmiuck the mook's abilities.

>> No.56018689

>>56018642
Don't you know that formations give knights the ability to project attacks from their polearms to hit the target from any angle they please? That's the only reason we're bothering with these mass combat rules

>> No.56018692

>>56018624
>That's right. I remember all those Jedi pelting boulders are the droids in the mov-
Taking effort and concentration to TK terrain while actively deflecting fire is a bit beyond most Jedi, doing so against a relatively immobile and unengaged formation of melee troops isn't.

>> No.56018704

>>56018459
You the real mvp

>> No.56018705

>>56018665
Remind all the other Jedi who did this when it would have obviously saved their lives? Because this is why the Jedi in the movies zip around like the Flash cutting up entire armies right?

Oh.

As /tg/ seems to forget, force powers are horribly inconsistent at best and virtually never appear when they would have been really useful and saved lives.

>> No.56018712
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>>56018705
Forgot my bloody image.

>> No.56018726

>>56018712

That was also a betrayal by people who literally didn't know they were going to do the betrayal until they started, in a time period where 'The dark side is making precognition a crap shoot' is actively a plot point.

>> No.56018732

>>56018705
>>56018712
Anyway, as per canon the best we can conclude with Jedi and the force is either that force abilities are very stressful on their minds and few Jedi can manage to manifest them much, if at all in excess or raw power. Or they're mongoloid retards who forget numerous powers that would have saved their asses from getting ventilated by infantry with worse aim than beat cops.

>> No.56018748

>>56018732

You forgot the third option 'those guys were not the main characters and it's a movie'. As one of the two people >>56018665 isn't even a full Jedi Knight at that point and Rebels makes the powers seem very easy to pull off.

>> No.56018757

>>56018732
Or, you can actually follow the plot of the movie and realize that the jedi were already having issues, due to Palpatine, and that a galaxy wide betrayal had massive repercussions through the force.
It's not even behind the scenes, its literally exposited.

>> No.56018763

>>56018748
But no anon, anytime a jedi uses the force it has to be a special case or else the knights lose and we can't have that

>> No.56018773

>>56018748
Writing does not excuse anything. All we can do is take what we see as literal and draw conclusions from it. And while more force-happy than the non-MC's of the movie, the Rebels cast still doesn't do things that would have made life easy, such as simply using force speed to slice their way through a garrsion or crushing a droideka. That shit just almost never happens at all.

>> No.56018782

>>56018617
What is this, EU fanwankery? They got slaugthered by clone troopers and you could clearly see jedis dying left and right in the attack of the clones movies and the opponents were far less than 6k.

>> No.56018787

>>56018782
Yet despite it all Battledroids>Pikemen

>> No.56018792

>>56018773

>Writing does not excuse anything. All we can do is take what we see as literal and draw conclusions from it.

...you don't get how fiction works, do you?

>> No.56018801

>>56018787

The droids would wipe the floor with the knights. I mean, they have ranged weapons and will literally fight to the last. A single droidika is basically an untouchable foe.

>> No.56018812

>>56018787
Yeah that doesn't prove they don't get tired.

>> No.56018816

>>56018773

So we can assume that fictional nazis with superweapons and magic would lose to real life nazis because the former keep missing the main character of whatever pulp series you drew the first one from?

>> No.56018818

>>56018603
This is a Jedi duel of the original trilogy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MnMA0TzGI

Please consider the "lightsaber as a throwing weapon" act, fairly simple to do.
It had enough push to cut through rather thick steel beams.

https://youtu.be/lsAEdblcqU4?t=86
This is another duel, where a padawan (not even a full knight, though I agree he was at the end of his training) use the force to pick up a lightsaber from afar, catch it in mid jump and use it offensively again, all in 15 seconds.

Now, imagine this little combo of "I throw my lightsaber at the packed formation of pikemen "knights" and then call it back"

And now remember the Jedis only have to kill 20 or so pikemen each to make the trick a worthy tactic.

The very first volley of thrown lightsabers would kill / maim / wound hundreds of knights and severly disturb (and slow down) their formation.

Now, all those lightsabers are still active when on the ground.
So we could imagine them being pull back by staying close to the ground, just to slice a few hundred ankles on top of the initial casualties.
But let's say our good jedis don't want to risk their lightsabers being stuck for some reasons so they just switch them off and pull them back in the easiest, straightforward way possible.

That's still hundreds of knights neutralized every 15-30 seconds.
And the Jedi can step back, without the need to engage in a bloody melee.

After five minutes or so of playing "throw and catch" with their lightsabers, the jedis decide that having killed or maimed 1000 knights is good enough so they offer peace.
The knights refuse and win an additionnal 10 minutes of the exact same treatment.

After enduring 10 minutes of being bombarded by rods of burning plasma, there's about half of the knights still on their feet.
Again, they are offered peace and again they refuse.

The Jedi now feel like being cocky so they decide to play serious.
They extend their line as much as possible.
(cont)

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>>56018659
>If a guy wears armour in a XV century manual, then he is a knight

>> No.56018867

>>56018818
(cont)

"Fools !! We still outnumber you 10 to 1 !!" are thinking the knights, who promptly extend their own line but not so much as to get thin.
There's now a perfect 300 men-wide front...

Except the Jedis are stretching it a bit more because THEY don't have to fight in formation and are even more confortable NOT having allies in their close proximity, so they can just go wild with those lightsabers.

The front is now about 600 men-wide.
Which is still good for the knights : they got 5 rank deep and don't see how those Jedis plan to get through the pikes anyway.

That's when the Jedi throw their lightsabers again... because they never said anything about a fair fight.

>> No.56018888

I still remember laughing at a jedi in attack of the clones who jumps up to jango fett and gets shot in 3 seconds. There were others getting killed by battle droids who looked like retard children having seizures.

>> No.56018902

>>56018773
>All we can do is take what we see as literal and draw conclusions from it.
Ok, so a major part of the Battle of Geonosis was the Jedi posing in front of a bunch of non-hostile battledroids whose numbers fluctuated wildly from moment to moment.

>> No.56018979

>>56017843
>over-armored racist European white dudes

autism or troll?

>> No.56019015

>>56018979
More like a light joke, I think.

>>56018888
Yes, it was a crowning moment of failure for that poor sod.
>Do accrobatics across the battlefield
>Get to Dooku
>Now your reign of terror can end in one swift move of my ligh...
>BANG BANG BANG... Call me lucky luke, motherfucker !!
>So can we talk about my raise ?

>> No.56019070

>>56017843
There's only like a dozen Jedi that can see shatterpoints and exploit them (breaking the unbreakable by hitting weak points they can see, that kind of shit), and IIRC Windu's the only one who can do it reliably, anytime.

>> No.56019074

>>56018617
>nigh weightless weapon
Bullshit. Lightsabers are so heavy only jedi can wield them.

>> No.56019108

>>56018459
as cool as they look none of that shit would work
there is a reason, a tremendous bullshit reason, of why lightsaber fights look unpractical and retarded. You are not fencing with an opponent, you are trying to feel the force around you as you swing the lightsaber and the moment you try to pull something witty the force abandons you, the enemy predicts your movement and cuts you in half with the smallest movement possible

>> No.56019115

>>56019074
I think you're getting your mythologies confused.

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>>56019074
No. They're basically just hilts. It makes them easy to swipe around but completely awkward as there is no feedback to their movements (the EU also claims they have a kind of gyroscoping movement from the energy coursing through them, but that can't be verified by the movies), leading to the untrained often severing their own limbs.

>> No.56019126

>>56019115
>Lucas flat out refused letting Hamill wield his lightsaber one-handed because of their supposed weight and power

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>>56019074

>> No.56019147

>>56019142
Clumsily using it as a tool isn't the same as using it to defend itself.

>>56019124
Literally fanfiction.

>> No.56019184

>>56019126
Lucas's intention in the filming of Episode IV hardly held true to the universe at large. Remember that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were different people then, too.

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>>56019074
>>56019147

>> No.56019202

>>56019126
And yet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mnVDaQ0yYQ

>> No.56019216

>>56019126
the first time he woulds it he literally does it with one hand

>> No.56019232

>>56019195
>Cyborg spinning his blade like a compoete mongoloid

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>>56019232
now you are just being retarded for the sake of it

he killed dozens of trained jedis

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>>56019232
You're right. Here's a better example.

>> No.56019271

>>56019251
The movies hardly makes a good case for that. We see he has a few lightsabers, but for the most part people just ridicule him as a coward and we never see him kill anyone.

>> No.56019278

>>56019232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8lWfnYK7C0

>> No.56019288

>>56019271
so?

the point is you are a faggot if you keep insisting that lightsabers can't be used by non-force sensitive

>> No.56019301

>>56019278
man, I liked rogue one way more than VII

>> No.56019308

>>56019074
Source?

>> No.56019369

>>56019301
Serious question here, but how could anyone like Rogue One?
None of the characters where even halfway memorable, the plot was just a series of poor excuses to bring them to the next uninspired action setpiece, and they didn't even bother expanding the universe in any meaningful ways. It was easily the worst Star Wars yet.

>> No.56019389

One serious point - are the Jedi organised? As far as I can tell they'd win if they had some sort of captain, because then they'd be able to organise strategies like "everyone use Force Push" or "throw lightsabers in a spiral", but otherwise they'd be stuck to their usual tactics of fighting in groups of 2-3.

>> No.56019395

>>56019369
it was original

>> No.56019402

>>56019369
It was part of the charm :
It's just one small story in a larger war full of small yet-untold stories.
No big heroes that will right a saga, just a bunch of people trying their best to do what they think is right.

It did expand the universe, though it's up to each and everyone to judge if it was in a good or bad way.

>> No.56019435

>>56019389
Usually, a padawan follow his master.
Knights are more independant but would probably defer to a master or to the eldest / most famous of them.

So nothing really military but more like a brotherhood.
This being said, they are being educated in a rather martial way so they aren't complete morons either (or shouldn't be at least)

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I thought people here liked KotOR and the other RPGs for Star Wars.

>> No.56019488

>>56019449
KOTOR isn't relevant here. 300 KOTOR-tier jedi is an instant win.

>> No.56019494

>>56019402
I don't need them to be big heroes, I just want them to be interesting people. I honestly couldn't tell you the name of any of them and their deaths did nothing to affect me because the movie had just wasted 2 hours making sure I cared about them as little as possible.

>> No.56019513

>>56019488
>KOTOR isn't relevant here
That makes me sad

>300 KOTOR-tier jedi is an instant win.
Not if the Knights put down enough Sonic mines

>> No.56019520

>>56019435
Ok, so the Jedi are mostly unorganized?

Yeah, Jedis lose, unless you actually think that their precognition is so good that they can dodge 10 weapons at once.

>> No.56019526

>>56019488
Oh, I re-read the OP. I see why you wrote that

>> No.56019545

>>56017738
Can't the jedi just cut the longer weapons in half or something?

>> No.56019562

>>56019545
It's 6,000 vs 300. Do you really think one Jedi is skilled enough to dodge/cut their way out of 10 almost simultaneous attacks?

>> No.56019565

>>56017703
A good starting point would be just taking a single jedi and see how many knights would be needed to completely ovewhelm him. Let's say Obi-Wan is fighting a band of knights. I figure he could pretty damn easily take out 20-30 of them without breaking much of a sweat.
How many knigts would we need to kill Obi-Wan?

>> No.56019582

>>56019562
How the hell do the knights manage anywhere near 10 simultaneous attacks unless the jedi just stand there and let themselves be surrounded individually? Can the knights teleport or something?

>> No.56019591

>can the magical space wizards who can deflect multiple bullets with ease beat some fuck wearing tin cans
yes, hell 300 clones/droids/storm troopers have this easily

>> No.56019597

>>56019488
desu anywhere you take the jedis from that isn't that fucking geonosis scene garbage it's insta win and even with geonosis garbage it's a win.

>> No.56019608

>>56019582
How else would you suggest that the Jedi fight? They've not got an sort of captain that could keep them organised and they're used to fighting in groups of about 2 (master and apprentice).

>> No.56019616

>>56019608
That doesn't mean they're all drooling retards, unlike you.

>> No.56019623

>>56019562
they can block bullets from multiple directions, so yes

>>56019565
how long would it take for a lightsaber to run out of fuel? how many knights can he kill during that time?

>>56019608
>how else would they fight
with their space magic?

by using the fact that they are superhuman and the other guys arent?

>> No.56019629

>>56019582

They use Dark Souls hit boxes.

>> No.56019659

>One guy with a hate boner for Star Wars tries to argue an army of knights can beat an army of telekinetic mind reading mind controlling superhumans with swords that cut anything.

>Knights approach Jedi
>They all sit down on the ground
>"These are not the Jedi you are looking for"
>"Waves hands'
>Knights go to the Holy Land to look for Jedi
>Die

>> No.56019670

>>56019623
>they can block bullets from multiple directions, so yes
You're going to think I'm fucking with you here but I'm deadly serious. Source? Show me a clip of an average Jedi doing that.

>with their space magic?
You try to Force Push, your friend tries to Force Pull, you've cancelled each other out. The only realistic option is Throw Lightsaber, but I doubt that they're organised enough that they're all going to do that at once.

>> No.56019679

>>56019608
Jedi dont need to talk to each other to fight well together. They can use the Force to sense the others and their actions and react nearly instantly to what the others are doing.

>> No.56019695

>>56019679
Then explain to me how Jedi died at Geonosis.

>> No.56019708

>>56017703
Don't Jedi also have little passive force shields? Would a knight even be able to overcome that?

Let alone the fact the Jedi can just wave their hands and smash formations against formations until they're all dead.

Or that Mace Windu would just telekinetically move his lightsaber like a buzz saw and massacre all 6,000 of them.

>> No.56019711

>>56019623
>how long would it take for a lightsaber to run out of fuel?
I'm pretty sure only proto-sabers run out of battery, so it's more a question of how many knights can he take down before fading to fatigue.

>> No.56019715

>>56019695
Canon Star Wars is shite? Why did anyone care about these space wizards anyway?

>> No.56019718

>>56019670
>Source?
the prequels, the cartoon series, the comics

>jedi cant communicate
they have the force for that, not to mention years of training since like 3

>>56019695
because the plot demans it, for the same reason storm troopers cant land hits or why when jedi must win they become unstoppable gods of war

>> No.56019719

>>56019695
They were ambushed. Betrayed by allies who had no conscience knowledge they would do so. While Palpatine was causing the Force to be so clouded, Yoda couldn't see the future. Also, they had to job a little because of the story.

>> No.56019726

>all those triggered jedifags
It's like you think every jedi is a jedi master
>>56017738 got it right. Unless they're fighting in a peerless formation AND have infinite stamina, those jedi are going to die.

>> No.56019732

>>56019695
Seing the future doesn't necessarily help you prevent it when your future is 500 blaster bolts coming your way.

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>>56019670

>Show me a clip of an average Jedi doing that.

Kanan and his teacher from the canon comics, during order 66. This guy isn't even a full jedi and it's a major part of his story that his training wasn't complete. They are blocking blaster shots from a sneak attack in multiple directions.

>> No.56019740

>>56019719
>Geonosis
>ambushed
m8
The Jedis at Geonosis are the ones who had the surprise advantage over the droids. And the clones on their side.

>> No.56019745

>>56019562
They're medieval knights. They don't have guns. Do you fucking think they are riding on each other's shoulders are something? There is a limit to how many that can present themselves at the same time.

>> No.56019752

Give me a history lesson, was >>56018497 on to something?

Single Jedi, Force Pushes a guy in the front row and charges in to the gap created. The guys in the formation are now defenceless because their pikes are too big for them to block. Formation breaks, Jedi win.

>> No.56019769

>>56019726
>can deal with laser superbullets like its nothing
>implying some halberd is going to do anything

>> No.56019795

>>56019695
Magic dark sith magic blanketing the galaxy plus an endless amount of droids shooting at them from all directions when they're in a wide open arena. Also plot convenience.

>>56019670
Do you really think the sci fi magic laser knights are so retarded that they can't get "use telekinesis to disarm the bronze age primitives"?

>Force pull cancels force push

More like the knights get splattered between two waves of telekinetic force.

>>56019726
>Triggered Jedi fags

Its more like either a really good troll or someone that just really wants to talk mad shit about Star Wars is trying to get the thread to agree with him and failing miserably.

>> No.56019799

>>56019708
Depends on your source material.

>>56019732
You're making my point for me.

>>56019735
>comics

>> No.56019816

>>56019799

>comics

They are canon and they are the only thing we have for showing what a non-super special jedi can do since the movies kinda follow Jedi Masters and People Who Hate Sand.

>> No.56019818

>>56019799
>>comics
The comics are absolute canon, same as the movies, if you don't like it, take it up to Disney.

>> No.56019823

>>56019726
>thinks >>56017738 got it right.
See >>56019752. I'm on the side of the Jedi.

>> No.56019826

>>56019816
>non-super special jedi
kanan isnt even that, hes barely a jedi if even fully qualified

>> No.56019838

>>56019799
>You're making my point for me.
Avoiding Blasters is much harder to do than avoiding melee weaponry or arrows.

>>56019816
>>56019818
Let's not pretend anything in the new EU comics, books or cartoons is going to matter in the movies. The canon is still in tiers even though Disney doesn't flat out state it.

>> No.56019843

>>56019826

Yeah, it's not until Season 2 when he's actually a Jedi Knight (And even then, he wasn't made one by another living Jedi.)

>> No.56019858

>>56019838
>Let's not pretend anything in the new EU comics, books or cartoons is going to matter in the movies. The canon is still in tiers even though Disney doesn't flat out state it.

Yeah but it's applicable to this conversation when people want what the 'Average' Jedi can do. As otherwise we have nameless background characters and nothing else.

>> No.56019876

>Jedi mind trick individual soldiers into charging and breaking formation
>individual soldiers get cut down
>repeat until done

Wow look this is everything seen in the original trilogy too. Not to mention that Luke uses force choke later on which makes this trivial

>> No.56019879

>>56017703
I wouldn't even give it to 6,000 modern soldiers. But at least the soldiers would take out some Jedi by virtue of shear numbers.

A Mace Windu level Jedi could take down 6,000 knights by himself. They literally cannot touch him while he can drop mountains on them.

>> No.56019897

>>56019752
Here, have one of those youtube combat scholar jackasses analyzing bad medieval fiction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avtHpJyYYkQ&t=38m30s
he tells you how to bust a shield wall

>> No.56019918

>>56019876
There's so fucking much the Jedi can do.

Fling rocks. Leap over ranks. Mind Trick.

Don't forget that while the knights are stuck having to melee or shoot arrows the guys stuck far behind the Jedi ranks can just go meditate and cat mind whammies on the knights and combat buff on their allies.

>> No.56019924

>>56019752
Ever since any sort of pike formations emerged (so mostly spearmen with shields and then phallax) the easiest way to break such formation was using guys with shields and short blades. Because if the swordsmen kept their ranks (which was the entire fucking point), they could laugh at the pointy sticks trying to harm them, while they could close in and pretty much rape pikemen, as they couldn't use their 3 meter long (or longer, depends on period) pole in close quarters and being defenseless and/or dropping the polearm and drawing their sword, but that would either way render the pike wall broken one way or another.
It saw a ressurgence in early modern, when Italians figured out the easiest way to break Swiss pike formation is to force them into close quarters combat. Spaniards saw that and refined it, eventually leading to early tercio formation, where 2/3 of men were swordsmen with shields.
Eventually however shields became useless ("widespread" firearms, yo), so a shit-tier pike and shot formation emerged, later rendered useless due to emergence of both better firearms (flintlocks and introduction of metal ramrod, mostly) and a tiny piece of sharp steel called bayonet.

tl;dr pikes were always subpar weapon against anything that wasn't light cavalry charge, as long as you could apply any sort of tactical cunning or just properly armed troops against pikemen

>> No.56019929

>>56019879
>drop mountains on them.
Shame there weren't any nearby mountains when he fought Sheev..

>> No.56019955

>>56019929
So long Samuel. SEE YOU IN HELL!

>> No.56020007

>>56017703
Knights like to parlay, I imagine the parlay goes something like; "You don't want to fight us, you want to fall on your swords"

Even if that doesn't work, a few reasons to favor the Jedi:
1. the knights will be far less nimble than the Jedi.
2. Metal weapons will disolve when they attempt to parry lightsabers.
3. Force push makes a mockery of most medieval fencing techniques.
3subA. Force push makes knights into great projectiles.
4. Knights will suffer morale failure in a way Jedi would not.

>> No.56020016

>>56019897
>>56019924
Point taken. Jedi win.

>> No.56020069

>>56020016
As if that ever was a question when you have 600 guys capable of making people fly with a tiny hand gesture or even without it, thus rendering any sort of formation instantly broken. Just creaking a break of 4-5 men wide is enough to utterly wreck formation that can only sustain itself when everyone stays in line.

And that goes even without mentioning how retardly powerful lightsabre is when it comes to cutting things, but it made me thinking:
A bunch of 300 guys simply armed with lightsabres could probably take down a force of those 6000 knights just because there is absolutely no way to parry their attacks

>> No.56020080

>>56020069
when you have 300 guys*

>> No.56020167

>>56017703
A trillion lions would easily win this fight, but only if they attacked at night.

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>>56020167

>> No.56020177

>>56017703
Jedi will get worshipped or scare them away with magic

>> No.56020309

>>56018297
>toss your weapon away
>the first line of knights just catch them, flip them off, then toss them on the ground mid- charge

Cool, now you have a bunch of unarmed dorks in robes with 6000 angry heavily armored knights charging them

>> No.56020328

>>56020309
Even a barely trained novice can force pull his lightsaber back to himself.

>> No.56020415

>>56020309
>Catch them
Do you know what a lightsaber is?

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>>56020309
>Let's ignore the sabre throw being one of the first tricks taught and mastered
>T-they are going to catch it
I'm sorry, did you just implied sabre toss is about just throwing your weapon and not controlling its path with Force, you trendemous retard? I mean you were thinking it returns to users hand because it's a bumerang?

>> No.56020468

>>56020309
>catch them,
>catch the burning blade of all destroying plasma guided by space magic

>> No.56020491

>>56019924
>a shit-tier pike and shot formation
Honestly, European tactics between early Roman Empire and fucking Interwar Period is a disaster all by itself. The only way the victory was achieved with outsiders most of the time was either blind luck or backing yourself by 20 different technological advantages and still barely making it through.
Think about it - Brits get their ass handled by Zulu in late 19th century. A literal tribe-tier society using spears and shields and a handful of muskets, while Brits had breech-loading rifles, cavalry and artillery on their side.

>> No.56020515

>>56020491
the zulu did have fucking horrendous numbers advantage, the British were effectively running an empire on a budget

>> No.56020551

>>56020515
Since when 1:6 is "horrendous", especially when one side is pretty much melee only and the other side can effectively kill at distance of 500 meters?

It boils down to being brain-dead and utterly incapable of using any sort of tactics to get swarmed by someone who can't engage you at a distance further than close quarters.

Moving over open terrain? How about applying fucking tabour tactics?! I mean even if they never heard about previous usage of that, contemporary Boers were using that shit all the time and BRAGGING about it, hell, making it even into national holiday to celebrate one of their victories achieved due to this.

So the real answer is - running empire by fucking retards

>> No.56020759

>chop off the polearm heads with your lightsaber
>spray the molten metal into the helmets of the knights with space magic
>knight's moral is broken by watching the Jedi effortlessly stop the attack and maim an ally at the same time

>> No.56021062

>>56020759
Moral is fucking shattered the minute the alien guys that look like demons start flinging people in the air by twiddling his fingers.

>> No.56021320

>>56017772
Even if not directly shown, there is absolutely nothing preventing it; we know that Jedi can move stuff with their minds, after all, and surely some Jedi has had the idea at some point in history. And shortly thereafter he probably tried it with his new robotic arm and lung, but this time also took the time to switch off the lightsaber on is way back to him, and so it worked better.

>"I WILL MAKE THIS WORK, ODAN-URR, IT'LL BE THE RADDEST THING EVER, YOU'LL SEE."

Also I want to say that we see Yoda do when when Obi-wan and Yoda went to the Jedi Temple after Vader's done his thing there in III, but I could be misremembering.

>>56018041
>Pic

Tràkata ("Hey, lightsabers can be switched off, can we use that in combat?") is my a significant margin my favorite lightsaber style.

>> No.56021568

>>56020491
>Brits get their ass handled by Zulu in late 19th century

Only in one battle, the Battle of Isandlwana, which was due to the Zulu keeping their fighting forces concentrated and achieving tactical surprise, as well as the Zulu at Isandlwana having better lines of communication between their commanders as compared to the British.

The British also made a number of poor tactical decisions:
- The British quartermasters were slow to hand out more ammunition; the British regulars could fire 10-12 shots per minute and so quickly ran out of what they carried, creating a lull in defenses;
- The British had been tactically surprised and so were unable to concentrate their forces into an effective fighting column and were defending too much ground;
- The British had neglected to form a defensible camp;
- The British further had poorly timed their invasion; they came in during the harvest assuming that Zulu warriors would be attending civilian duties, unaware that the Zulu had already been mustering their army at Ulundi as they did every year for the First Fruits festival.
- And of course, the British just massively underestimated the fighting strength and tactical ability of the Zulu. The Zulu were primitive, not stupid.

>> No.56022060

>>56019074
>Han used Luke/Anakin’s lightsaber

>> No.56022080

>>56019369
It managed to try something new unlike EPVII.

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>>56020309

>> No.56023361

>>56018322
>actual experience
>with pole arm formations

>> No.56023435

>>56017899
>Who programmed these?
The scriptwriters obviously

>> No.56023677

For real though, even a Padawan child could fend off a pike block, since all it requires is 'move lightsaber like windshield wipers at high speed'

Anyone actually older and trained can add 'leap back 10 yards if you're about to get stabbed' to that tactic

>> No.56023710

>>56020309
>unarmed dorks in robes
who also happen to be telekinetics capable of crushing a man with a gesture

>> No.56023859

>>56021568
>Only in one battle
>Fighting the war for almost decade
>Against bunch of tribal
>Muh never setting sun
British army and - despite it's meme status - navy was always shit-tier. The only thing that Anglo didn't lack was open contempt to human life, on both sides, so they really didn't mind sending people to Nowhere, Other End Of World, to get killed for profit.

>> No.56024114

>>56019070
>Jedi that can see shatterpoints and exploit them (breaking the unbreakable by hitting weak points they can see, that kind of shit),
WTF, since when did SW rip off Tsukihime?

>> No.56024118

>>56020551
Watch out lads. He's lost the pole-arm argument now any other subject is fair game.

>> No.56024225

>>56018041
Problem with that is that a classic lightsaber duel isn't about who has the fanciest tricks. Both fighters are using precogonition the entire time, trying to plan further ahead then the opponent. That's why OT fights were so methodical for the most part. It's mental chess.

>> No.56024314

>>56020328
>>56020426
>>56020468
>>56023710
Too bad the force doesn't exist I the real world or that might be an actual problem

>> No.56024398

>>56024314
>300 Jedi vs 6,000 medieval knights
>real world

>> No.56024427

>>56024398
Ok, the knights also get access to wizards, dragons, and tactical nuclear missiles because lol realism xd

>> No.56024542

>>56023859
>Fighting the war for almost decade

...what? Since when was 5 months, 3 weeks and 2 days the same thing as ten years?

>Against bunch of tribal

Yeah, it's this attitude that led to the losses that the British did suffer. Primitive and stupid are not the same thing.

>> No.56024720

>>56024114
In the expanded EU of the late 80's. Decades before your weeb trash was even an idea.

It's Karnak's power from the Inhumans. Which was in the 60's.

End yourself weeb trash.

>> No.56024756

>>56024314
That’s outright retarded. That’s like saying Chris Chan can beat up Superman because the latter is fiction.

>> No.56025035

>/tg/'s arms and armor medieval wankers are so far up in their own asses they actually think some armored people with sharp sticks can beat a number of kung-fu wizards with laser swords who can deflect gunfire
Holy shit this autism. ONE Jedi would be enough.

Also turning on the lightsaber or using a single Jedi trick would be enough to send most of the knights packing while shitting their breeches and screaming witchcraft.

>> No.56025044

Whenever I feel bad I can just go to /tg/ and find out I'm not as autistic as you guys.

>> No.56025065

>>56024427
>medieval knights

If you don't like it make your own thread for magical knights

>> No.56025107

>>56017703
The average knight would have a mount, so you gotta take that into account, not to mention the importance of terrain.

This is a loaded question anon

>> No.56025153

>>56024427
Read the OP, retard. "In your choice of SW setting". Obviously the thread premise is that Jedis are capable of using the Force, against mundane medieval knights.

Your autistic response contributes nothing to the discussion. The point is to gauge the ability of force users versus normal people. Stripping away their powers makes the entire debate pointless. I literally can't comprehend how one can be as autistic as you.

>> No.56025262

>One jedi is a master
>He has force magic to increase his endurance
>Can effectively just force manipulate his lightsaber into a lawnmower of death and slice the knights to pieces as they chase after him and try to get into poking range
>Their projectiles, if any, are deflected because force
>They have to climb over the charred remains of their fallen comrades, suggesting morale will break at some point and slowing them down
>Their endurance, while considerable, is probably also far short of force powered jedi master who isn't in armor
>Can't catch up to him because force, essentially

Yes, I know it's possible to move quickly while in armor, but that shit is heavy and you can't run in it for extended periods. Particularly when you have to give it your all because the guy you're chasing is in a space kimono and has all his mobility

It would be like a retarded reenactment of Crecy

>Alternatively, front line jedi force manipulate their lightsabers into a glowing spinning wall of death the knights can't reach past, while the rear ranks focus on nullifying any thrown javelins that go over the top

>> No.56027097

>>56020551
>being ambushed on the march when ammo is still in supply wagons is the same as 'lol retards!'

>> No.56027675

>>56017843
>over-armored racist European white dudes
Jesus Christ.
Here is your (you)
Back to pleddit with you

>> No.56027756

>>56017843
Obviously bait you fucking retards

>> No.56028308

>>56023859
So now we're just spouting memes

>> No.56028331

>>56024314
neither do lightsabers or jedi, and there no medieval knights around either

so you get an empty field, well done retard

>> No.56028347

>>56024314
>When you get so absolutely btfo that you forget what the thread is about

>> No.56028451

>>56017703
>>56017729
Not really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuUIkEtJjo

Revenge of the Sith is a canon movie, in which Jedi are executed through mundane means despite having lightsabers. I specifically refer to the execution that starts around 2:30. You may argue that the Jedi in question was caught by surprise, but he did notice that he was betrayed and did deflect most of the early shots. Canonically, no more than a dozen republican troopers are needed to kill a Jedi. Let's be generous and assume that Jedi was particularly weak, and upscale it to 50 republican troopers for a stronger Jedi. Let's also be even more generous and ignore the fact that Jedi in the prequels were a lot more bombastic and impressive than in the original trilogy.

The only question then becomes what equipment these knights have. If they have ranged weapons like crossbows or longbows, a few good volleys have the potential to utterly destroy the Jedi. Then there's also the question of whether or not the knights surround the jedi, which could play a big role in shit like cavalry charges.

The biggest problem is that the depiction of Jedi and their power is very inconsistent. In the original trilogy, Yoda lifting Luke's x-wing out of a swamp was presented as an impressive feat, yet Starkiller (who was declared canon by Lucas... and then non-canon again) casually lifted much, much larger space ships with his force powers.

>>56017843
Not sure what it's like in the animated series, but in the prequel movies it's almost like droids were programmed to be incompetent. In BTS material Lucas even specifically states that Jedi "cut through these droids like butter".

>> No.56028475

>>56017703
Wow, massive amounts of light sabers look gay as fuck. Also, how are we suppose to answer this when a Jedi is as strong as whatever "guess writer" needs it to be. Like for instance, how Obi Wan in the first movie was literally just an old man who was dangerous one on one in close quarters. VS him in his youth, being able to kill an entire army. There's no consistency in the Star Wars universe outside of the table top, and even that's different from system to system.

>> No.56028600

>>56028451
A lot of those jedi killed were Jedi Masters. The best of the best.

>> No.56028659

>>56028451
you forget that clone troopers are superhuman space commandos with futuristic weaponry, not the local inbred in a tin can

>> No.56028731

This is the actual plot of Sandersons latest fantasy series. At one point a Jedi attacks an entire army, complete with a few guys with power armor and light sabers, and blows it apart like kindling. If you force push a horse it's legs snap.

>> No.56028767

>>56028659
>Inbred
Good job applying the standards of the noblesse de robe to the noblesse d'épée. Medieval knights were the cream of the crop, trained for combat since infancy. Not exactly superhuman, but I think that upscaling from less than a dozen per jedi to 20 per jedi does help.

>> No.56029604

>>56028451
Clone troopers > Medieval knights

I mean, come on !!
One has a blaster, the other has a sharp bit of steel.

>> No.56029626

>>56028767
Against burning plasma, the flesh of elite medieval warriors trained from infancy behave the same as the flesh of peasants.
And so does their equipment.

>> No.56030028

>>56029626
Against a crossbow's bolt, the flesh of elite space faring warriors trained from infancy behave the same as the flesh of peasants. And so does their equipment.

>> No.56030085

>>56030028
A crossbow bolt is easy to avoid for a precognitive space wizard.

>> No.56030230

>>56017703

Assuming the knights are mounted, as they SHOULD BE, then the knights will probably do some damage. Would they win? Hell no. Telekinesis, telepathy, and foresight mean a single jedi can massacre entire units without being touched. Still, jedi aren't invincible, and shock cavalry is...shocking.

>> No.56030324

>>56030085
Try 600 or more creating an inescapable wall of death, now try that a few times a minute. Yeah...

>> No.56030359

>>56030324
One force push is all it takes.

>> No.56030388

>>56030230
An unarmored force of men against calvary with long range support? They would get massacred. In any era, they would be wiped out! Suppose each were able to do some magic, or whatever. Can they stop several tons of an advancing front of men? Can they halt a thousand bolts coming at them? In the movies they showed Jedi get wasted by ordinary troops with guns. It took like a dozen, or less.

>> No.56030406

>>56030359
How many times can they do that? Because the bolts aren't stopping, and neither are the advancing group troops approaching at nearly sixty miles an hour.

>> No.56030509

>>56030406
They can actually do it many times.

>> No.56030521

>>56030406
>How many times can they do that?
With 300 jedi there? More than enough to deal with 6000 savages, even if they're on horseback. The horses just make them even more suceptible to the damages of a well placed force push or thrown lightsaber.

>> No.56031377

>>56030388
First of all, it's being generous assuming they'd have ranged support. That sort of thing was usually left to the plebs, not armored knights.

Also, I did say that the jedi would take casualties. Hell, they might even take HEAVY casualties. Numbers are a bitch to deal with.

Having said that, jedi are capable of completely broken, monstrous BULLSHIT. Here's a list of more relevant powers -

>Battle Meditation
Strengthen your allies, weaken your enemies. It bolsters both the morale and fighting capabilities of your side while hindering both on the enemy's. An adept of Battle Meditation is considered the highest of high-priority targets in the SW universe, and for good reason. They will be in the back, affecting the whole battle while being guarded by a few of their fellows.

>Force wave
Now, the telekinetic powers of jedi vary across different sources. Having said that, I think it's highly likely that a few jedi dedicated to defense would be able to stop enough arrows/bolts that the other jedi would be able to deal with the remainder. You don't need to stop ALL of them. You just need to stop enough that the other jedi's foresight won't be overwhelmed by sheer volume.

>Jedi Sense
This is where they go from powerful to broken. All jedi can see the future. They can't see very far without conscious effort, but it helps them avoid damage in combat. Because jedi have sufficient speed to not only block, but deflect blaster bolts fired on semi/full-auto, I think it's reasonable to assume that they could stop or dodge a wave of slower-moving projectiles.

(Con't)

>> No.56031397

>>56031377
>Mind trick/Animal Trick
Here's where they go from broken to bullshit. Those horses the knights are riding don't really want to be in battle. Not all of those knights will be strong enough to resist mind control. Take those two and apply it to a shock-cavalry charge and things get ugly really, really fast. Make some of those horses swerve to one side, and the entire charge gets messed up. Now, the knights that get thrown may not be dead, but they'd lose their most important asset - namely, their mobility. However...

>Force Speed
Combine the ability to see the future with the ability to move at supernatural speed and you have a monster. If you've ever played Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast or Jedi Academy, you know what a jedi capable of Force speed can do to a non-jedi. It's not pretty.

>Stasis
Oh, it's not enough that jedi can fight more effectively than non-jedi could ever hope to. There are techniques in the force for stopping an enemy in their tracks. Stop the front line of a cavalry charge, and that's a big, messy pileup.


Those are just SOME powers that would make this fight a nightmare. Again, the knights would probably get some kills in, but the battle would go to the jedi.

>> No.56031802

>>56031377
>the knights can't use tactics, they just march up to the jedi and try to fight them in melee range, and make zero attempt to use long range

>> No.56031986

>>56031802
If Jedi can reflect lasers and dodge bullets, what on earth makes you think they're going to have trouble with something slower?

>> No.56032009

>>56031986
Yeah, because we know not a single jedi ever died to laser blasts.

Oh wait.

>> No.56032050

>>56032009
Jedi seem to have managed walking onto battlefields with far more droids than that and coming out unscathed

>> No.56032343

>>56030388
They can dodge bolts. Or parry them. Precognition is severely OP.
A cavalry charge might be a bit more problematic. You can't really parry a horse.

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>>56027097
>Allowing such situation to happen
>Not retarded

>> No.56035924

>>56017738
>holding spears/shields
>made of metal
Force Lightning. Jedi win without a literal scratch.

>> No.56035977

>>56017892
>WWI platoon sent to fantasyland
Oh! There’s that one anime about the tank troop and their tank being sent to a medieval fantasy world and the only way to get back home is to strip every female elf in the country, so they drive around fighting bad guys and getting elves naked.

The fuel is explained by distilling it from the oil of a fruit of the world, and the ammo is just extremely conserved (they only use it when they need to make a point against a superior fighting force that gets terrified at the concept).

>> No.56036005

>>56032009
And yet we know that Jedi can and do deflect blaster bolts. It is, in fact, one of the iconic things that they can do. Just because they don't always succeed doesn't mean the ability should be discounted.

>> No.56036017

>>56018665
Holy shit, that screenshot is crisp. Almost makes me rethink my 4GB files.

>> No.56036090

So, not even a single Jedi saw Order 66 coming. Only a handful survived the Order itself, despite the weaponry being standard blasters.

I think Jedi's precognitive abilities are massively overstated. Otherwise it wouldn't have been so trivially easy to genocide them.

>> No.56036108

>>56036090
>a group of people whose power canonically comes from genetics
>canonically not allowed to breed by the order that develops and uses said powers
Lucas really needs to be executed for sheer subhuman stupidity.

>> No.56037205

>>56036090
They literally talk in the movies about how the future has been clouded of late, m8. Which is Palpatine's doing.

>> No.56037216

>>56036108
I thought that the ban on breeding was so that society wouldn't see them as an X-man-like threat that would overtake all the non-force-sensitives? Either that or some sort of conservation of force mumbo jumbo that you can't maintain balance if there's too many chefs in the kitchen.

>> No.56037227

>>56036090
You do realize Order 66 was masterminded by one of the most powerful force users in history?

>> No.56037261

>>56036090
>not even a single Jedi saw Order 66
Well depends, before Disney there were some who saw it coming because they were distrustful of the clones.

>> No.56037349

>>56017703
Does God will it? If so then the 6000 Mounted Knights should win the day at a terrible cost. Unless you have a say an Agincourt or Thermopylae style stroke of tactical genius.

>> No.56037477

>>56028475
did you just say aging taking a toll on a living creature was inconsistent with the story and reality? you might be retarded, not as retarded as polearm guy, but still.

>> No.56037902

>>56019108
Who's to say that feeling the force around you wouldn't lead to using one of those techniques?

>> No.56037972

>>56019494
In all honesty, it sounds like you were never going to like them no matter how good or bad the movie was. Just let your hatred go before it consumes you.

>> No.56038878

So we've moved on from polearms to crossbows and bows now? Well just from the movies we've seen that force users are capable of stopping blaster shots mid air with the force. And like others have said we've also seen them face forces of droids much larger than theirs and come out on top. The cavalry charge someone suggested is probably the closest to a winning strategy, except that it's probably pretty easy to mind trick animals

>> No.56038896

>>56038878
Especially horses, they're basically cowards.

>> No.56039767

>>56035924
Force lightning isn't a technique that Jedi would use, as it's a dark side ability. Unless you go Legends and use emerald lightning.

Either way, it's also not something that's actually lightning, it just looks like it.

>> No.56039790

>>56036108
George himself actually said that they are not celibate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1989505.stm

>> No.56039810

>>56038896
Horses trained for combat are pretty much the equivalent of horse jedi though.

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