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Thread Question: How expensive is your most expensive deck? Did you pay anywhere near full price for it?

>> No.55567128

I don't know, I don't keep track. But I am 100% sure my most expensive deck is Kaalia.

>> No.55567129

Jace is Urza
Urza is Xehanort

>> No.55567141

>How expensive is your most expensive deck? Did you pay anywhere near full price for it?

I honestly don't want to know. I've just been slowly adding to it and over the years. I don't even keep updated decklists on tappedout

>> No.55567190

No, Urza is Sora. Just look at the similar names.
Yawgmoth is Xehanort.

>> No.55567199

Who was Ansem?

>> No.55567229

He was already half-yawgmoth

>> No.55567269

>chain of memories
>card games
>tulpa copy in his head
Sora really is Jace

>> No.55567312

We had heartless, then we had the nobodies, and now we will get the mindblowns.

>> No.55567331
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You might be onto something here.

>> No.55567409

So I feel like I already know the answer, but how is a Dinosaur EDH deck? Or just one including some of the Dinosaur cards?

>> No.55567453

I found out the secret to enjoying playing the game with randoms at card shops. Only play with people new to the game who are just playing modified precons!

I have never had a bad experience doing this. People are nice, patient, friendly and chill. Plus, they may even find you funny.

>> No.55567470

Bad. Not enough even remotely playable creatures, and thats counting the changlings. Gishnath only cares about dinos, and if you opt to play non dinos, you better hope to connect with the full 7 points in order to get value, even then its not likely.

Wait till rivals, then there might be something there.

>> No.55567535

pretty much what >>55567470 said. however, I already started building it with whats available. its obviously not meant to be competitive, just something I can play when I feel like messing around. this is my list if it helps


>> No.55567550

Usually when I play MtG I go with decks that do weird shit so I have a couple of staple green cards since I never play that color like Courser of Kruphix, Avenger of Zendikar, Life from the Loam, and Primeval Titan collecting dust.

I just want something braindead and angry to play stompy trample creatures. What color should I mix with it because I know monogreen is ass.

>> No.55567563

>monogreen is ass
[laughing Omnath]
Probably Ruric Thar.

>> No.55567586

monogreen can be pretty good. but if what you want is
>something braindead and angry to play stompy trample creatures

then definitely play Gruul. Ruric Thar, Xenagod, Omnath, Locust of Rage, and so on

>> No.55567619

Dunno mate, there's shit like Titania, Azusa, Omnath, literally any elf general because they're all elfball and Yisan who can fuck you in the ass no problem.

>> No.55567655

monogreen can be oppressive as far as dumb stompy things gameplay is concerned. blue can be a fun combination with green, even when going for the dumb smashy strat. not only do you have zegana, momir, vorel, rashmi, kruphix and kraj as commander options that do well alongside big fat, but you can run all the biggest leviathans and water monsters alongside the big green things.

>> No.55567704

Been playing digitally for years (about a decade) but suddenly my old pals started playing table top again so I picked up a shadows over innistrad tool kit and pre-ordered a box of ixalan while I was at it. How fucked am I for trying to build a edh burn deck? I know I shoulda bought singles but the lgs I went to had shit and the other store i visited was price gouging up the ass.

>> No.55567730

Are you implying that he's Vyse?

>thread tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53UOVjGdFTU

>> No.55567770

Yeah, that's about what I figured. Maybe there will be some neat stuff in the new set, but I'll see. I might toss in one or two of the better ones where they fit.

>> No.55567779

You completely fucked up, Tool Kits give you shitty cards that are only halfway decent if you're a completely new player with nothing else and you want to get into MtG and Ixalan has no good burn cards. Honestly Ixalan only has like 4 or 5 cards that will stay over $10 after a month so I hope you hit a couple to get your money back.

It's probably been a while but if your local store doesn't have shit then order cards online from Cardkingdom, Starcitygames, or tcgplayer.

>> No.55567791

What is a great edh deck

>> No.55567859

Monogreen dominates Duel Commander and is the only non-blue contender in Leviathan/1v1 MOL Commander.
It's extremelly powerful, it just can't beat three other assholes when they're all going against you and you don't have Cyclonic Rift. But generally speaking the only decks that can win despite the rest of the table kicking your nuts on sight are URx turn 2 combo decks.

The best brainless G commander is IMO Edric. It's just turning dudes sideways and yelling NO! angrily when others pretend to touch your dudes.

>> No.55567885

Duel commander is retarded I would rather just play Legacy if its 1 vs 1

>> No.55567887

Thread Question
My Teysa, Orzhov Scion deck. Its probably $1250 and I plan on buying more foils for it and a few more powerful cards

>> No.55567974

The point is Monogreen is opressively powerful when it doesn't have to deal with 3+ opponents and that anon is dumb or is building dumb. Only combo decks can deal with turn 2 Ulamog/Kozilek.

>> No.55568014

Serious question.

Am I the only person who can't stand foils? None of my cards are foiled because I hate how they look and feel. The only time I get a foil is if its some alternate judge or FNM promo card that looks way better than the normal art like Hero's Downfall

>> No.55568057

who should my commander be if I want to use Chainer and Dragonlord Silumgar in UBR?

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>> No.55568080

I hate foils too, I wish I could get a non-foil FTV:D Bolas or FNM Izzet Charm

>> No.55568177

I like them for some reason. I keep them all double sleeved and most of my decks are heavily foiled. Im going to be getting the Judge Foil Basic Lands for my Teysa deck eventually.

>> No.55568195

Is Atraxa a good General? Four cost [GWBU] with lifelink, deathtouch, flying, vigilance and proliferates at the ed of your end step?

>> No.55568214

She's great if you've got a couple of grand spare.

>> No.55568223
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This is a surprisingly hard thing to search for, but what are some cards that work ala Gemstone Array?

I'm building Radha and running stuff like Braid of Fire. I know the two batteries and monoliths work well. Anything else along those lines?

Any fun mana sinks like Gigantomancer would also be appreciated.

>> No.55568234

It's pubstomp-tier, but it can be fun if you go out of your way for eccentric types of counters. I run all of the storage lands I can to passively build up mana for a massive turn, as well as about 7 walkers and quest cards.

>> No.55568270

She's objectively the strongest commander ever if you have enough money

>> No.55568282

Just remember that one must be an Ass in order to run Asstraxa. This is clearly stated in the pamphlet that comes with her precon deck. Enjoy!

>> No.55568283


According to tappedout:

>derevi Enchantress
>kess reanimator
>karametra creatures
>azami wizards

Don't know how they all got so high, I have spent some decent money on my decks, probably about $400 each, but prices raise so quickly these days it's insane

>> No.55568307

What kind of deck are we talking about here for her?
That sounds fun.

>> No.55568341

I use darksteel reactor as a lol tier win condition. Her Ass is so big, that she requires many board wipes to clean away all the hate that will be thrown your way after she hits the battlefield

>> No.55568370

You need helix pennicle as well. A lot of things like druids repository can generate large bursts of mana to 2 turn it easily.

>> No.55568372

The most popular decks are Infect and Superfriends.

>> No.55568403

What commander is the moat like Griffith?

>> No.55568409

Good to know. I like superfriends and Infect. Are there any cards that if I were to build a deck around her that I should absolutely add or any sort of structure I should go for in the deck?

>> No.55568438

You can't have Moat as your commander, anon.

>> No.55568503

Normally my decks are all just kitchen table stuff and I don't think any have gone over 150 bucks or so. My current project is 5 color Pantheon deck, and I think mostly complete it's sitting around 400?

>> No.55568542

I personally like to play with a charge counter archetype with her. Aether vial is always neat in this respect, while power conduit allows Glen Elendra to be even more so supremely oppressive and lets you shift your strategy back and forth from buffing creatures or bolstering artifacts that care aboot charge counters

>> No.55568575

literally the most popular general for online stats

>> No.55568711

I just placed a $70 order for that keiga deck i mentioned before, still missing $50 worth of cards, and another $40 in the form of teferi/leyline/orrery. Starving student status hurts

>> No.55568779

I absolutely love her for being able to glue a bunch of weird shit throughout Magic's card design into a neat deck. I mentioned the quest cards and storage lands earlier, but I really can't understate how RIDICULOUS it is to take 8 counters off of Calciform Pools and put 16/16 in flyers on the board after proliferating for 4 turns or so. I built her as an Esper control shell with green for neat stuff like Fertilid, and jammed as much counter jank as possible in. Want to blow shit up? Quest for the Holy Relic into Worldslayer. Want a hand refill? Sacrifice Pursuit of Knowledge (spicy tech btw) at instant speed for seven cards. Want to kill shit? Guul Draz Assassin. Want to get a big board? Luminarch Ascension or Kazandu Tuskcalller. Back it all up with a counterspell package and some doubling stuff like Vorel and you have a control deck that can pull a wincon out of every single orifice in its' body.

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I've started building a snake lady deck, anyone have experience with her?

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Post spicy tech no one has ever heard of.

I'll start.

>> No.55569040

>no one in your group respects gy order and definitely wouldn't learn to keep it if you played any cards that dealt with it
Not worth being spicy.

>> No.55569046

You got a list I can look at anon? My deck needs to be improved.


>> No.55569075

But my friend, surely it would generate salt.

What better spice to add to a game than salt?

>> No.55569090

I already play Meren friend

>> No.55569102
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Pack up part of your wheel and flip it for double the value later.

>> No.55569108

I want a card that makes the enemy have to respect gy order

>> No.55569279

>no one in your group respects gy order

Graveyard order was a mistake.

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>> No.55569295

It should be respected as standard.

Just like how damage should go on the stack

>> No.55569313

I only ever get foils of cards that I can't get black bordered otherwise because that shit warps like it wanted to be a taco in another life.

>> No.55569351
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I got pic OP pic as a promo. Was debating on opening up the plastic to throw in a commander deck, maybe breya. Opinions?

>> No.55569411

card is like a dollar and shit.

>> No.55569429

Hapatra is pretty gross if your opponents don't hate it out often enough. First time I played it I won off Obelisk Spider + Carnifex Demon.

>> No.55569484

Something you and possibly others find fun and exciting

>> No.55569505

its guidelines. some of us go through graveyards a decent amount.

>> No.55569545

Oh I know it's shit, I havnt opened it yet specifically because I can't be bothered to come up with a use for it outside of potentially edh. Maybee the revel in riches deck becomes a thing and it spikes but I certainly don't expect it to happen.

But does it have any edh potential? Like I said I kinda like the idea of it it breya, where it's fixing/ramp and also a sac target for breya. But I can also see it painting a target on my back.

>> No.55569566

Any deck that can play bloodmoon

>> No.55569597

It might, in certain situations you just win on your next upkeep after a board wipe.

>> No.55569617

>Just like how damage should go on the stack
Damage on the stack was a mistake.

>> No.55569650

coalition relic, pyramid of the pantheon, treasure map, jeweled amulet, kyren toy, fungal reaches, mage ring network, joraga treespeaker

>> No.55569818

Preach it.

>> No.55569914

>How expensive is your most expensive deck?
Eeeeh, just over $200?

My most powerful one though is like $110.
I fucking LOVE my Zada deck.

>> No.55569975

Wrong. And it was literally only changed to make it "easier" for new players.

>> No.55570013

jesus christ my monored deck is 1400 dollars on tappedout. how did this happen

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>> No.55570063

I love that card. Idon't play blue very often though so I don't get to play her much. She is in my Reaper King deck though.

>> No.55570081


A lot of the value is from foil/promo versions of cards.

The goal is to use fast mana to wheel into more fast mana and either mill people out or assemble combos while wheeling. I know the deck would instantly be better if I made Daretti the commander but I like Squee. He's kind of disarming to people that don't know my deck.

>> No.55570084

Wrong. It was changed both to behave more intuitively and to increase strategic depth. There's no strategy to unsummoning a creature to save it after it assigned damage because there's no tradeoff. You're always going to do that 100% of the time if it's profitable. Now you actually have to make a decision, unsummon the creature and save it or allow it to deal damage and die.

The only people it benefited were rules lawyers.

>> No.55570112

>How expensive is your most expensive deck? Did you pay anywhere near full price for it?
Bruse+Reyhan is $900, Edgar is $800.
I did buy some stuff for their current retardation tier prices like Verdant Catacombs, Scalding Tarn and Wasteland, but most of it has come from precons, trading or stuff I already owned from my Legacy/Modern days.

>> No.55570180

Sorry If it was confusing, OPs pic was actually the card I was referring to. That was just the pic I used because I had it on my phone and was mentioning breya.

>> No.55570213

Should I remove my Army of the Damned from non-tribal Scarab God to make place for Spell Swindle? Army always arrives at the wrong moment

>> No.55570220

>Every single card on the reserve list is suddenly being bought up and tripling to quadrupling in price
>Even shitty cards like Gaea's Avenger

Fucking shit this sucks ass, especially for a newer EDH player such as myself. Everything on the reserve list is being bough en fucking masse.

>> No.55570226

It'd be more helpful if we had the full list.

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>> No.55570354

Yeah, I'd bin either that or Extract from Darkness.
I can only see it working well with Vedalken Orrery, otherwise you're drawing heat on yourself, that doesn't even guarantee a win.

>> No.55570415

Is there a specific reason its being bought up?

>> No.55570488

I'm not the dude you responded to, but:

There has been a steady increase over years on all reserved list cards, there's been a sharper increase on most over the past year, and the last month has seen an even sharper increase.

We're basically hitting peak reserved list increases because more and more people are realizing that there's literally no risk in buying any of them because they will ALWAYS go up unless Magic starts to die, which I just don't see happening.

Wheel of Fortune has jumped like $40-50 over just the last couple weeks and it's a card that should be a staple.

Personally, since I plan to play this format for a long time, I've stopped buying all cards except for reserved list singles. I don't want to be sitting here 5 years from now being totally unable to purchase good staple cards like Wheel or duals.

I love this game but if I was someone looking to get into Magic and discovered the reserved list and how much of an impact it has on the game, I would reconsider. Given it doesn't affect standard or modern but it's really fucking important for the other formats.

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Nearly a grand, but thats what happens when you Major in Colorless and Minor in Colors.

Dual Majors are for the insane and aspies.

>> No.55570738

>it's really fucking important for the other formats

standard and modern don't care about it and wizards keeps printing functional reprints of reserved list cards like gaea's cradle for edh players. the only one affected will be legacy, which was meant to die anyways.

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>3 mana Gaea's Cradle you can Naturalize
>functional reprint

>> No.55570810

>functional reprints of reserved list cards like gaea's cradle
That might be their intention, but that is not Gaea's Cradle. It's not even fucking close.

Most of the expensive reserved list cards are just super efficient versions of normal effects. Many cards produce a shitload of mana at once, very few produce as much as Cradle can as early as it can.

Creating slightly worse versions of reserved list cards doesn't work because the original version will still be a very high cost barrier of entry to building the best version of your deck. Even if they could make a card that functions exactly as Cradle does, you'll still want the original because then you can have two.

>> No.55570850

Jace's Sanctum or Primal Amulet for Melek?

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>> No.55570875

Go Amulet, and get better options for scrying.

>> No.55570893

they aren't really that important to the format. 5color is a bit harder without them but it is greedy as fuck in the first place so being able to have an ez-pz mana base really shouldn't be a guarantee.

>wheel of fortune
not gonna argue about this. they can always print a commander version tho.

>wheel of misfortune
>2R - sorcerey
>each player discards their hand
>if any player has more than 30 life, each player then draws seven cards

the only issue there is that it creates an identical effect for players who can afford wheel of fortune. the only solution to that would be to create cards that nevermore their respective cards. I.E.:

>wheel of forboding
>2R - sorcery
>cards named "wheel of fortune" cannot be played.
>each player discards their hand, then if there are 3 or more players, each player draws seven cards.

>> No.55570995

>will still be a very high cost barrier of entry to building the best version of your deck

so what? in the three lgss that ive been part of very few people have decks with cards that cost more than $100. you can play a game of edh without a gaea's cradle or something that resembles it. the impact is marginal unless your playgroup are a bunch of autists with turbo optimized decks, which thankfully are in the minority

>> No.55571000

>they can always print a commander version tho
>the only solution to that would be to create cards that nevermore their respective cards

Neither of those things are at all likely to happen.
Not even slightly.

>> No.55571050

>Neither of those things are at all likely to happen.
Not even slightly.

command tower is basically a dual land that only works in edh. it's actually better than a dual in many situations. and wotc loves printing cards that refer back to famous cards. i wouldn't be surprised if we saw a cycle of modified reserve list edh staples in a commander product. they know that famous cards create hype and sell sets. look how many cards have the word "lotus" or "mox" in their names.

>> No.55571215

Well EDH is quite the goldmine for Wizards since they can just change rules whenever they want to sell more products because it's a """""causal""""" format, they probably will do an EDH only reserve list printing making a grand total of 50 boxes which get all bought up by one person and then sold for $299 on the internet and are never released again

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I just realised that, every time Wasitora hits an enemy player, she either eats one of their creature or has a child.


>> No.55571849

>you can play bloodmoon and vore your opponents creatures in the same deck
what a waifu

>> No.55571934

>you can play bloodmoon haha period, vore your opponents creatures and have furry sex with your opponents in the same deck

>> No.55572275

Thalia in appearance, Marchesa in pre Eclipse attitude, Sedris in post Eclipse attitude.

>> No.55572288
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Why is Maro fucking with the color pie so much this set? This is not okay.

>> No.55572304

??? how?

>> No.55572311

It's his endgame to make blue the only color in magic.

>> No.55572369
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Pulling any card from your graveyard into your hand is a green exclusive ability. There has only been one nongreen card that does this and it can only be used once unless you have an artifact reanimation engine.

>> No.55572380

Colorless can do anything colors can do at a much more expensive cost. That's design philosophy too.

>> No.55572669

My friends got the new Commander 17 decks and gifted me the Inalla one. The guy with the vampire deck is absolutely stomping my shit every game


>> No.55572673


Won't somebody think of the poor neglected green players? That color needs all the help it can get in EDH, after all.

>> No.55572679

Can't colourless do anything, just in a really mana ineffecient way?

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>> No.55572763

Did you guys upgrade or are you playing straight out the box?

>> No.55572773

no upgrades. I've been practicing against the AI in Forge to see what I can do against that deck but both IRL and in the game he blows up so fucking quickly and before you know it the game's over. Other than building a specific anti-tribal deck I have no ideas. But I'm a very inexperienced player as well

>> No.55572777

Inalla is the worst precon to play vanilla. First take out all your legendary wizards since you cant copy them save for outliers like azami or venser. Put in wanderwine prophets, anathemancer, panharmonicon, rings/strionic, sac oulets, a bunch more reanimate effects, deadeye, glen elendra archmage, sower of temptation, thalakos deciever, to name a few additions

>> No.55572880

Throw away Inalla as your commander, make Kess your commander, and put in a bunch of good instants

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>didn't buy Demonic Tutor at the beginning of the year when it was $15
>now it's at $30 and is still climbing

>> No.55572900

She would be good if she just had proliferate.
She would be good if she just had the keyword soup.
She has both.

>> No.55572943

I didn't but Wheels at 30.

>> No.55572952

Still doesn't bother me as much as Animar having Pro white and pro black.

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Am i retarded?

I cast this with X = 7, I reveal top 7 cards, pick warstorm surge which costs 6 cmc, it enters the battlefield, then my hydra enters with 7 counters, correct?

My friend said it enters with as many counters as the cmc of the nonland permanent you pick

>> No.55573055

Your friend is retarded.

>> No.55573062

Yeah your friend is a fucking retard

>> No.55573066

>no don't play Animar, he's degenerate combo
>no don't play Nekusar, it's always the same
>no don't play Derevi, stax is no fun
>no don't play Tasigur, it's just goodstuff
Why are EDH players so obsessed with policing what people can play?

>> No.55573076

because it's a format that is only really fun if people agree not to play degenerate shit

although nekusar is mostly just straightforward and shitty instead of degenerate

if you're playing animar combo in a casual table and you aren't feeling burning shame in the back of your neck at all times, then you might be a sociopath or an autistic

>> No.55573085

Play whatever the fuck you want, EDH has too much carebare shit where people are scared to make their decks good because people want to run meme shit like tribal Thrull or only cards from X block.

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>> No.55573129

It's just endless salt because I refuse to actively cripple myself with awful decks. Like they can't comprehend someone wanting to play something that actually functions.
It wasn't even combo. No Purph, no Statue, no Curio, just morph and X cost creatures.

>> No.55573141

Find a new playgroup, bottom of the barrel mega casual EDH groups are the worst.

The best is when you find a group that's in the good middle of not super casual but not $1500+ Atraxa deck competitive

>> No.55573190

your friend is retarded but i think i'm the most retarded because i needed to reread this about 5 times because i kept thinking the warstorm surge was a doubling season and i kept thinking the hydra would enter with 14

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Have you never seen artifacts or lands before? Cards like pic related, Trading Post, and Staff of Domination?

>> No.55573250

It's not on the reserved list but wotc will probably wait on it like Mana Drain and only reprint in ways that keep the price very high. They get sadistic glee from this practice.

>> No.55573428

>They get sadistic glee from this practice.
Also money

>> No.55573445

Fuck your friend, he sounds like a shitheel.

>> No.55573469

because EDH is mostly just autists who couldnt make it in other formats and feel like they are entitled to something in EDH because its the only format they dont get BTFO in due to shitty deck choices

>> No.55573510

Getting a free dual land is nothing like getting a functional reprint of Gaea's Cradle.

>> No.55573518

>The exiled cards remain exiled with cage counters when Mairsil leaves the battlefield. If Mairsil returns to the battlefield, it will see all of those exiled cards with cage counters on them.

>If Elite Arcanist leaves the battlefield, you will no longer be able to copy the exiled card. If it returns to the battlefield, you’ll be able to exile another instant card from your hand, but Elite Arcanist will be a different permanent with no connection to the first exiled card.

Hurrf Durrf

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>> No.55573546

That's kinda the point of Mairsil. Not sure what you're trying to say.

>> No.55573570

The cards are worded differently and Mairsil has a stronger ability.

>> No.55573575

>How expensive is your most expensive deck? Did you pay anywhere near full price for it?
about 650 for my gw selvala deck
its mostly land disruption and saffi shenanigans

>> No.55573599

Probably going to be in Masters 25.

>> No.55573611

There's a reason Mairsil specifically puts Cage counters on things he exiles.

>> No.55573613
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be prepared to face this deck every game for the next 2 months

>> No.55573618

we have been over this a thousand times anon, there is nothing stopping you from being casual and running an at least decently well made deck for cheap. you build bad decks and people who dont are going to beat you, its just that simple. if you cant handle it then get better at deck building. you are not entitled to police the way others play because you cant figure out the basic of magic

>> No.55573636

This absolutely broken commander should have an append on it that says: Destroy all cage counters if Mairsil leaves the battlefield.

>> No.55573652
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i'm the most meticulous deckbuilder in my group. i've basically been gimping all my decks forever because i would simply dominate and ruin every game if i didn't. i also intentionally fuck myself over to make games more interesting.

in my experience, the people advocating for spikeism in edh are absolute dogshit spikes because it is trivially easy to win in this format if you really want to, and when everyone starts doing it, the group is fucked.

the reason i'm telling you to play fair is to save you from your self-destruction

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>> No.55573674

Mairsil text says "all cards in exile with counters on them"
Elite Arcanist says "The exiled card"

Elite Arcanist cant remember cards it exiled when it re-enters cause its new object. Mairsil doesnt remember the cards, he just checks if *any* exiled cards have cage counters.

>> No.55573690

>i've basically been gimping all my decks forever because i would simply dominate and ruin every game if i didn't.
and thats the problem. instead of fostering a healthy playgroup and giving everyone a chance to evolve the meta and learn to adapt you have actively stunted growth and stagnated what the format/game could be. it is not "spikeism" to build well thought out decks and play well, that is just a basic tenant of magic

>> No.55573702

What's a good way to track -1 counters? Cut out a piece of paper with a minus on it?

>> No.55573708

Not any, just any you own, which stops the Mairsil mirror from stagnating when you can't cage good cards since your opponent will get to use them.

>> No.55573711

>in my experience, the people advocating for spikeism in edh are absolute dogshit spikes because it is trivially easy to win in this format if you really want to, and when everyone starts doing it, the group is fucked.
fucking this. a1 evaluation, boys. when ya talk like this there's no reason to get in a donnybrook

>> No.55573712

upping the power level in my group would make a bunch of archetypes completely shit. one of our players loves to play janky shit and i'd like to at least have him be somewhat relevant

>> No.55573733

Pluses and minuses can't coexist (except on Skullbriar sometimes). Just put a die on it and remember.

>> No.55573790

Get two sets of dice. Something like green and black, where green dice mean +1/+1 counters and black ones mean -1/-1.

>> No.55573831

>(except on Skullbriar sometimes)
+1/+1 and -1/-1 counters will still annihilate. The weirdness really kicks in when you start using funky counters for either + or -. Like you get a +1/+2 counter off Armor Thrull onto Dusk Urchins and start proliferating it to stave off the stacking -1/-1. Or you throw -2/-1 counters around with Contagion, onto creatures with +1/+1s, and possibly once again proliferate it for shits and giggles.

>> No.55573847


>cut azami from wizard tribal


>> No.55573875

>save for like azami
/tg/ represent dat reading comprehension

>> No.55573906


I was merely pretending to be retarded! I trolled you hard bro, now you are totally the one who looks dumb, not me

>> No.55573937

"When everyone starts doing it, the group is fucked."

Why cant turbospikes get this through their heads?

>> No.55573947

We had a discussion on this a few threads ago, apparently if the creature gets killed the counters don't cancel each other out and it just goes to the yard.

So if you have Skullbriar out with three +1/+1 counters on it and somebody drops a BSZ for 4 he'll have three +1/+1 counters and four -1/-1 counters on him in the yard/CZ.

>> No.55573953

true, I forgot that bit. But the point was more that Maisil actually looks for cards that it can use and doesnt just remember what has been exiled.

In my defence Im the only person in my area who runs Mairsil so I havnt played the mirror, and no one has stolen him so that interaction has not yet been relevant to me.

>> No.55573996


Maybe we have fun playing with good cards against each other. I don't think the game goes to shit just because people are playing infinite combos and General spike shit

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fug trolled again!

>> No.55574025

That is true. Skullbriar should always run sac outlets, since it can be rendered useless like that.

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>> No.55574069

Nope. State based actions are checked and performed simultaneously.
>704.3 Whenever a player would get priority (see rule 116, “Timing and Priority”), the game checks for any of the listed conditions for state-based actions, then performs all applicable state-based actions simultaneously as a single event.
After BSZ resolves, before anyone can get priority, he'd have three +1/+1 counters and three -1/-1 counters removed and die from having 0 toughness simultaneously, and be in the grave with one -1/-1 counter.

>> No.55574127
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>letting a Revel in Riches stick until upkeep

>> No.55574163

The great philosophical question of our threads. There is no one definitive answer as far as I can tell. I think it's mostly dependent on your playgroup and how a given deck will function with the other decks. It's all about decks that create a good ecosystem when out in the field.

I think we can all agree that cEDH is the direct polar opposite of a great EDH deck though

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>> No.55574201

>tfw its not playable in nekusar or yidris
That's pain.

>> No.55574208

*laughs in Thrasios*

>> No.55574250

99% of all cards ever printed become completely useless in a spike meta, deck building and metas become stagnant as fuck

>> No.55574268

I don't care if I'm biting down on bait. You do realize we call Mairsil "The Jank Man" for a reason, right?

>> No.55574297

Sure, why not, if only because that won't do what you think it does.

You fucking retard

>> No.55574329


That's not really true unless you consider an outclassed card to be useless. But anyway I think the issue here is that it's not black and white, either you're playing cEDH or you're playing casual battle cruiser and you're not allowed to care about winning. There aren't that many competitively viable commanders and strategies, but you can still try to take your tier 3 commander to his upper limit by playing good cards and a lot of people have fun doing that, me one of them.

In our meta people don't play cEDH netdecks but they do like to make shit loads of mana and draw tons of cards, sometimes people luck into a nutty win on turn 4-5, but the decks feel varied and fun to me.

>> No.55574356

5c charms and big timmy shit

>> No.55574359

That's not a spike meta, anon. Spikes play to win exclusively.

>> No.55574372

wewlad not even the strongest or second strongest among the precons that year

>> No.55574507

What commander should I play if I want to make lots of little tokens and swing away?

>> No.55574528

Rhys the Redeemed

>> No.55574628


>> No.55574657

>tfw bought academy rector and concordant crossroads the other day

glad I did.

>> No.55574678

Bought one for $21 not too long ago.

>> No.55574722

>bought a german one for 25€

it also has a neat faust quote, wish I could get one with promo art tho.

>> No.55574727


There's no meta like that though, that's not a real thing, it's a strawman

Anyway the original post that started this was only saying you should build decks that are good and complaining that your creative special snowflake meme deck always loses isn't gonna fly. I agree with that. If that's not "spike meta" mentality to you then that's fine

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>> No.55574819


>> No.55574826 [SPOILER] 
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Why wait before swinging?

>> No.55574828

krenko/marrow gnawer only options

>> No.55574935


>> No.55574952

Marath or Locust God

>> No.55574973

Yeah I play mairsil and so far as soon as everyone on the table is aware of how he works and sees me cage something worrisome I get targeted hard. Sometimes blue players counter my first few attempts at summoning mairsil just to slow me down. He's a blast to play but he's really easy to get rid of unless you somehow have a board to defend yourself with, and have a aetherling caged to keep him out of harms way for a round while you cage shit. Barring some early infinite combo

>> No.55575024


>> No.55575081

What about it?

>> No.55575093

I don't know some people are out of the loop so I figured I'd let you know

>> No.55575107

Darien, King of Kjeldor

>> No.55575118

I mean what about any errata to it is relevant?

>> No.55575210

It now reads "Tap an untapped swamp you control" rather than just "Tap a swamp you control" so it's not an instant win unless you're in silver border land with R&D''s Secret Lair

>> No.55575258

>so it's not an instant win
I don't imagine anyone actually thought it was.

>> No.55575513

how much enchantment removal do you run?

>> No.55575544
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All of it.

>> No.55575565
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....b...but i also run selvala

>> No.55575569

You'd be surprised how bone-headed some Anons can be.

>> No.55575579
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selvala posting?

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plz no bully for non-white selvala

>> No.55575954

My buddy is running her for our next session, what are some things I can keep in mind/use to weaken her?

>> No.55576000

Depends how he's building her. She's pretty powerful as combo/storm, and to deal with that you really need to pack a lot of artifact removal, as she's pretty fragile once you get rid of her Paradox Engine/Umbral Mantle. If he's building her elfball style just run wipes, and if he's going for lifegain, there are a few cards that reverse that.

>> No.55576036
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>30 bucks

>> No.55576089

Not related to the sudden Selvala posting, but, how many different ways can GW exile enchantments?
Offhand I know of Dust to Dust, Return to Dust, and that 5 mana GW instant that has cycling. Anything else?

>> No.55576090

>pre-release price

>> No.55576146

only black and red but celestial purge

>> No.55576148

Oblivion Ring style effects and Forsake the Worldly. I'm guessing this is an attempt to deal with Theros gods?

>> No.55576170

pithing needle etc.
wrath of god etc.

those hurt so bad that Ive devoted a considerable portion of the deck to deal with them
the causal version of course, the competitive version is just go faster than them

>> No.55576181

>theres a person on the planet that paid 30 bucks for that
>even just one

>> No.55576184

>no Enchantment lands

>> No.55576192

save some cash
get the foil>>55576036

>> No.55576194

I mean, Arbiter of the Ideal can put out enchantment lands.

>> No.55576202
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Is this card worth it in a golgari deck? i only have like 4 life gain cards, is the 1 life worth it?

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>> No.55576219

Dude, this card is insane. If you play blasphemous act with it out you'll win by your next turn if they can't remove it.

>> No.55576229

staple of staples
if you cant see why this is a good card you are blind

speaking of being bad at edh has anyone proxied out one of the decks that the rules committee actually play?

>> No.55576233

Can you trade cards with friends during pre release sealed events? Like if I pulled mostly good pirates with a few good dinosaurs and my friend pulled mostly good dinosaurs with a few good pirates could we swap and get 100% good of one?

>> No.55576241

why are you asking us?
this is the edh general

>> No.55576242

Theros gods AND combos in general. Sure Breya, Deretti etc can get artifacts back from the graveyard easily, but from exile is another story.

>> No.55576243

Do edh players not do prerelease events?

>> No.55576257

edh players also have been known to drink mountain dew but you dont see questions about that coming up

>> No.55576259


>> No.55576262

Hey so uhh /edhg/ whats your preffered type of mountain dew to get the most energy to keep me on edge for slamming counterspells down at the exact moment they cast

>> No.55576281

I only drink water or kombucha

>> No.55576312

>not running Akroma's Vengeance, Planar Cleansing and Hour of Revelation in every deck with white
>not running All is Dust and Oblivion Stone in every deck without white
>all of this on top of spot removal

>> No.55576324

>Sacred Grove
>World's Anvil
>Bitter Crypt
>Sunken City
>Sunlit Field
I just want a slightly better Blaxos/Constellation deck.

>> No.55576327

My nigga! I love that shit. You drink the gingerade one from costco, or do you have a special blend?

>> No.55576333

Baja Blast™

>> No.55576334

wait you can get it from costco, does it cost less than 4 bucks for a bottle because that shit gets EXPENSIVE

>> No.55576356

yes man! It's 17.99 canada bux for 6, get it there, it's the good shit too.

>> No.55576368
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I've started a Hapatra deck but was missing some key cards, how did I do?

>> No.55576371

It's very good card draw if it actually gets to stick several turns and your deck is built around the slow game, but that is rarely the case. Most decks are better off with Night's Whisper, Read the Bones, Painful Truths in 3c etc.

>> No.55576377

Unless it's your last point of life, 1life for 1 card will never be a bad trade.

>> No.55576397

>tfw when you demean a guy for bringing up only slightly off topic shit but end up getting good advise for buying hipster drinks anyway

>> No.55576427
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>mfw playing mtgo with you slow fucks

>> No.55576527

>tfw your timer is 15 min higher than the other 3 players total
come the fuck on, im even playing a deck that operates mostly at instant speed so I cant even f8

>> No.55576596

I'm pretty sure the mm17 Izzet Charm has the same art as the FNM promo Izzet Charm btw.

>> No.55576665

What are some good telegraphed repeatable combat tricks? The kind that makes your opponent go "it's not even worth blocking this fucker" when it's out and you're attacking.

>> No.55576710

Anyone with a good understanding of duels/french

Can you let me know why edgar was banned?

Was he just completely unstoppable? I have a friend who thinks more time should have been given before the ban to let the meta evolve.

>> No.55576715
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It does.

>> No.55576745

french are retards, they banned oloro too that should tell you all you need to know

>> No.55576796


It's not Exile but deglamer and unravel the aether also solve that issue fairly nicely

>> No.55576817


He's pretty fucking stupid in a 20 life format, the aggressive draws are hard to stop

>> No.55576868


>> No.55576940


Reeeee! Why are there so many good vampire cards? I dont know what to cut!

>> No.55576981
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>its a new kid doesn't know how to yield episode
>its a someone sits there at the start of the match for 5 min and you have to explain to everyone how to eject a player episode
>its a two people concede for no apparent reason in commander before the match is over rerun
>its another the last player (besides you) stalls until he clocks out episode

what the fuck is wrong with you people

>> No.55577016

Probably Atraxa stax. The whole thing is nearly $2000, but the bulk of that price is the mana base which slots into practically any other deck I want.

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When I last saw it was $7 fucking hell m8s

>> No.55577106

everyone I talked to that faced carnage tyrant said it stomped them.

My standard friends say there just isn't a lot of options to deal with it.

>> No.55577108

You can vomit it out T4 with Haste. It's a new Siege Rhino.

>> No.55577118


Everybody buying this for $25-$30 is gonna be sad, it's gonna see standard play but not Gideon level standard play, this card will sit around $12-$15 while it's played in standard then drop to $5 ish after it rotates

>> No.55577221

I have one in my draft of a Gishath deck but no way in fucking hell I'm paying that much for just one

>> No.55577225

The gods intended this game to be played with cardboard in poorly ventilated rooms in the real world. If you play this game online you deserve to suffer.

>> No.55577254

theres a reason why the causal modern room is POPPIN'
i basically made edh decks to fit that and they do well enough

>> No.55577262

>nobody has mentioned Ulasht

>> No.55577283

more like does-nothing-and-then-diesht

>> No.55577348

I'm looking for a newer card, it was an artifact I think, and had the ability of pay 2 and copy the ability of a creature you just activated or something like that?

>> No.55577354

i would cut taurean mauler, sanguine bond, sorin, blood tribute, vicious conquestador, tithe drinker, indulgant aristocrat, and bloodcrazed paladin. kinda underwhelming for the deck. possibly bloodlord too. where is your viscera seer? possibly the best lowbie vamp there is, and free scry with sacrifice of a creature. especially if you have an anthem preventing skullclamp insta death.

>> No.55577361

>Sunlit Field
>World's Anvil
what the hell is that?

>> No.55577382
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isn't really new but the only thing that comes to mind

>> No.55577393

It evades all removal except for wraths, and the only decent creatures that can match up with it are Skysovereign, Rhonas, the Scorpion God, and pumpstuff. Since rotation, we're hurting for 6+ power dudes.

>> No.55577542

>caring about standard Standard fluctuations
Elder Deep Spawn went from a <1$ rare to at least $15 overnight and has been that way for a while.

>> No.55577544

>Something that requires a bunch of setup and mana to get a few tokens
>Stacking up against a bunch of free, or extremely efficient token generators


>> No.55577561

They're suggesting names for Enchantment Lands, I think.

>> No.55577589

>he never dropped Ulasht with Urabrask, Citunal Hierophants, and Cloudstone Curio

>> No.55577595

Do you mean rings of brighthearth?

>> No.55577613

I just wanted one, man. One. For like, maybe that $7.

>> No.55577625

As >>55577561 said, made up names for Theros enchantment lands similar to the Mirrodin artifact lands.

>> No.55577640

I don't get it

>> No.55577747

Quick question for anyone with a foiled out or otherwise pimped deck: How long did it take you to get those together? I'm a relative poorfag, but I figure if I chip away at it for a while, I can get my Teeg deck there eventually.

>> No.55577927

Thread question: either krenko or Omnath, because I bought stuff for them that's spiked hard. Krenko has a Dark Blood Moon for example, I got it for like fifteen bucks and now it's fifty

>> No.55577972

I started working on foiling my favorite deck at the start of this year. Worked on it all year buying/trading for new cards here and there and now I'm 90% of the way there and the last few foils are the super expensive ones.

>> No.55577996

is that supposed to be good?
sounds like you could do a whole hell of of lot more fun things with 4 cards and 15 mana

>> No.55578005

Depends on how you do it. If you feel comfortable just ordering everything online then the only limit to the speed is your wallet.

I don't like buying high dollar cards online though, I don't like dealing with the fallout of counterfitting or other bullshit so Its taken me a year to only get halfway there on my project. It's almost at 4k now, but goddamn is it looking pretty. Most of what I have to do is lands now.

>> No.55578036

Anon who bought the anthology yesterday here, I think I'm going to rip apart Meren and Freyalise and just print out decklists so I can rebuild them if I want, and keep Kaalia and Derevi together for now

>> No.55578051

Is Ixalan sealed draft fun?

My group wanna do it on Friday and I honestly don't think it's worth the money, but I don't wanna shoot down doing the new expansion on release day and be that guy.

So even though it'll be £35 for nothing really useful added to my collection will I enjoy it?

>> No.55578130
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soul foundry is a cool card
play it in every deck

>> No.55578165

Shit gets blown up sight.

>> No.55578170


I've thought about it for my Omnath deck but between old Ulamog and Mana Reflection and a couple other cards my skin starts to crawl thinking about the cost, plus it's a perpetual work in progress so I would never actually finish foiling it out

Maybe I'll get foil basics for it but that's it

>> No.55578180

>dies to removal
nice meemee

>> No.55578189
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Thanks for the easy 2-for-1

>> No.55578199

It'd be worth it in new Ezuri just to see if anyone's paying attention as I poop mulldrifters onto th field forever

>> No.55578211

It was fun but $35 is a high fucking price for that and most of the time it really just boils down to who got the most flyers because the set is really aggro heavy with little good removal

>> No.55578215
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whats a good commander for a brainlet?

>> No.55578241


most expensive i have built currently at 290

>> No.55578245

Black Sidisi.

>> No.55578252
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i got you
you even get to pretend you are a big brain nigga by playing blue
just tap and see what happens!

>> No.55578254

If you are into EDH because you like the wierd rules interactions, cluttered boardstates, multiplayer aspect, or using powerful old cards then you may not enjoy sealed.

If you really enjoy deckbuilding, then you might like sealed. Be warned that with sealed there is a certain inherent danger that you can lose the whole thing as soon as you open your packs.

>> No.55578256

Mono red
Mono green
Ur Dragon

>> No.55578269

thats cool
when you were digging for artifact removal ive made 4 garys

>> No.55578272

It's no Mimic Vat.

>> No.55578287

forgot kaalia

>> No.55578294

Any one of your multiple opponents having the means to destroy it is a whole hell of a lot more likely than you getting that thing for four turns.

>> No.55578327

Yeah she's brainlet in playstyle but you have to be a richfag to play her so you probably aren't a brainlet IRL

>> No.55578338

whats wrong with infect?

>> No.55578342

how much art destruction do you actually run?
because this sounds like a "ill just kick him in the head" situation
like a child
talking about how you cant beat him in a fight.

>> No.55578351

Nothing's wrong with it, infect is just really brainlet tier and simple like the guy asked for

>> No.55578361

hes salty as shit, clearly

>> No.55578366

We played sealed HoD and that was fun enough but I literally didn't pull enough non-chaff creatures in two colours to form a boardstate so I took my easy 4th place.

I'd much prefer to do a regular draft but 2 people in our playgroup would have next to no idea how to pull cards so sealed is probably a more level playing field overall.

The worst part is I don't even know what cards I want from Ixalan bar one of the Jace's and Vanquisher Banner. At least with HoD I was happy with any of the legendary creatures, stuff like mirage mirror, Bolas and some of the Hour of X cards.

The only things of note I got were Crested Sunmare, Unesh and Samut, the Tested

>> No.55578370

only timmies get mad about infect

>> No.55578374
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Outclassed by Mimic Vat. Pic related on the other hand...

>> No.55578391

see >>55578351

I'm not even mad, the guy asked for an easy deck and I told him the easiest one.

>> No.55578392

You have to respect the fact that it's an extraordinarily slow, mana intensive card that costs you card advantage to play. Pretending that it being blown up is not a huge issue is as much of a childish "You can't kick me in the head because I'll block it!" moment. Maybe you're right, but when you do get kicked in the head, it's going to fucking hurt.

>> No.55578396

>"Maro is fucking with the color pie"

in other cases sure but it's on an artifact and it's a land.

>> No.55578398

Rank them to play against and to play team with:



>> No.55578407

You could do literally the same but better with Marath on top of getting a third color

>> No.55578448

>Outclassed by Mimic Vat
>having to let things die
>dies at the end of turn
>oh no i wont play good cards because then people might try to remove them

>> No.55578458
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>Who are you?
>I am you, but stronger.

>> No.55578470

>good cards

>> No.55578473

mimic vat tokens die/get exiled at the end of turn

>> No.55578489

No, I won't play slow, inefficient cards that are incredibly vulnerable to removal.

>> No.55578490

how do i make control without my playgroup wanting to kill themselves.

>> No.55578495

>wont play cards because people might try to remove them
>recognizes its a target because its good
>but its not good because its a target

>> No.55578507

Let them cast some Timmy cards when you've secured your wincon, so they get the illusion of hope.

>> No.55578514

But you get the copies at only 3 mana, it doesn't cost you a card from your hand, and it can use anyone's creatures.

>> No.55578565

Maybe your battlecruiser meta lets bullshit like this fly, but you've got no room to complain when people tell you your pet cards aren't good when people actually have interaction.

>> No.55578604

New Thread:

>> No.55578651

LTB effects.

Does it leave EoT? Plan around that fact and use it.
Does it stay past then? Plan around that fact and use it.
Does it raid your fridge and leave the cat out all night after tapping your waifu? PLAN AROUND THAT FACT AND USE IT.

>> No.55578705

>battlecruiser meta
you mean edh right?

>> No.55578731

That's not a bad rate, really. I'm not too worried about doing it too quickly, since the group I play with the most these days is way too casual to justify throwing Teeg at them, it's more for when I get together with my old high school buddies and play, since they're just getting crazier and crazier with their decks.

I'm alright doing most of it online, if it's expensive enough for me to be having second thoughts about ordering online, I'm probably gonna hold off on it anyway. I can throw about $50-75 at it every couple weeks, so I think I could get most of it together at a half ass decent rate.

>> No.55578750

It's not good because it doesn't do anything until after your opponents get to untap and remove it. At best you paid 4 mana extra for the creature you want out, nothing else.

>> No.55578794

yeah but it has the ugly new border, I liked the old one more

>> No.55579530
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Jokes on you, I was prepared for this!

U, no sense of right and wrong.

>> No.55579676

It's as close as it can get, don't be a moron

>> No.55580194


Play creatures to get land. Use land to play creatures.


>> No.55580621

>Mono red
>For brainlets

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