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Pathfinder General /pfg/

Artifact Edition:
Have any of your characters ever possessed an artifact for a significant time? Did it have a positive or negative effect on him? How did he use it to shape the world around him?

/pfg/ Link Repository: https://pastebin.com/JLu5xXML
Current Playtests: https://pastebin.com/quSzkadj

Old Thread: >>54114343

>> No.54121117

First for Naderi, the truest and purest love goddess!

Shelynites should drown themselves

>> No.54121138

PAGE 6 FUCK OFF

>> No.54121164 [DELETED] 

>>54121057
What about breast size, anon!?

>> No.54121224

>>54121164
Same roll, but you divide the result by 2 and assign the final number its corresponding letter in the alphabet (A=1, B=2, etc) to get cup size

>> No.54121446

>>54121010
>Have any of your characters ever possessed an artifact for a significant time?
No. Sadface.jpg

>> No.54121472

>>54121010
Well, considering we've been playing Giantslayer, yes since the game just throws artifacts at the players like crazy.

Actually, come to think of it, I wonder if /pfg/ would enjoy playing a Giantslayer campagin, and how badly they can make it go off the rails.

>>54121446
Ask your group to play Giantslayer. You get a major artifact right at the end of book 1. Its a hammer that will get more powerful in a later book

>> No.54121517
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Hey /pfg/, I'm making a gravedigger type character, and need some art. Anything that looks vaguely gothic, with dark hair and blue eyes.

As an image tax, and so as to get attention, I shall first post this qt alchemist for your benefit

>> No.54121604

>>54121472
>Ask your group to play Giantslayer
But Anon, I don't have a group :( and in fact I have never had the chance to play Pathfinder.

>> No.54121715

>>54121010
>Picture

What is that?

>> No.54121736

>>54121010
>picture
What is that and how do I get to play in a game that has it?

>> No.54121737

>>54121715
You're mom's ovary.

>> No.54121946

>>54121736
>>54121715
Looks like a giant swamp-heart type thing, or some kind of cyst where some creature is gestating.

>> No.54122301

>>54121517
You'll have better luck in vast repositories of character art threads. Each thread tends to start with some kind of theme, so I'm sure something like that will be featured on one of those threads.

>> No.54122349
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>>54122301
We should try to get more art into these threads, though, but I suspect most are phoneposting.

>> No.54122440
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>>54122349
You're not wrong. About both things, probably.

>> No.54122441

Would the Dominator regional trait work with actions such as Dazzling Display? Gut says yes, but RAW says...?

>Dominator
>You receive a +2 trait bonus on all attempts to demoralize an opponent in combat using the Intimidate skill.

>> No.54122456

>>54122441
Do you roll an intimidate check? If so, it applies. If you do not, it doesn't.

>> No.54122476
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>>54122440
I want to punch that face so hard. I have no idea when I developed such an irrational hatred of him.

>> No.54122488

>>54122456
Yes, you roll Intimidate, thanks.

>> No.54122563

>>54122476
If it makes you feel better, that's my character (I do an Owen Wilson impression and everything), and he just got clocked in the face by an Iron Golem. Almost knocked him out with one swing. Almost. But he messed with the wrong muchacho.

>> No.54122641

>>54122563
Please tell me your party also has a Jackie Chan expy in it

>> No.54123076

I've got 2 traits and a drawback pretty much set in stone for a character:

>Pride (Drawback), because it fits.
>Outcast, because he was always and outcast, which became more and more pronounced the older he got, much due to his pride and headstrongness. Also, I needed to regain Survival as a class skill.
>Tusks, because i really want tusks, even though I can't imagine it being used much.

But I'm not sure about the last Trait. I'm considering Dominator, for +2 Intimidate for Dazzling Display and such, but if anyone has ideas for something more interesting or simply cooler, I'm taking suggestions.

>> No.54123721
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/tbt8e14i5suro4d/DRP2820_Malefex_FULL.pdf?dl=0

Here is Dreamscarred Press's malefex, a 3/4 BAB, 6 base skill points, Wisdom-based class.

The malefex has somewhat of a unique playstyle. It spends swift actions to toss around at-will debuffs upon enemies, and then uses standard actions to attack and full attack with weapons. (Please do not use this class as gestalt bait.)

From a cursory inspection, a malefex looks roughly on par with a combat-oriented inquisitor or occultist, but I could be wrong. Does anyone think that an optimized malefex might be stronger than an equally optimized inquisitor or occultist, or weaker?

My main complaint about the malefex is that it has little in the way of noncombat utility beyond the 6 base skill points, the ribbon class features, and the ability to spend knocks (i.e. class talents) on noncombat utilities. A malefex lacks cantrips. The maledictions offer little in the way of noncombat utility, although there is the cheesy trick of using Steal Talent in bag of rats style to gain a constant +2 circumstance bonus to all skill checks.

For that matter, is anything stopping a malefex from constantly maintaining Steal Stamina and Steal Talent on a familiar or a similar pet, thereby reaping the benefits at all times?

>> No.54123939

>>54123721
You're posting in the wrong thread, 2hu.

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Heyo. Anyone have the collected Monsters of sin material? Didn't see it in the pastebin.

>> No.54124724

>>54122641
Why of course, my friend plays "Jack Channing", and together they're two compadres. It's a straight-up nonsense game, so we freely reference some Jackie Chan Adventures, and oddly Metal Gear has entered the mix. Since my friend can't play in that campaign anymore, Jack's going to help oversee the development of our mercenary nation.

>> No.54124778

I literally just discovered roll20 like a week ago and all I can think is "why didn't this exist before"

The fact that I can just make maps like this, hide things from them, roll dice secretly and privately discuss things with certain players, keep track of monster health and stats, and have people telecommute is so fucking awesome I actually kind of want to DM now

>> No.54125028

>>54124778
>telecommute
Did you just time travel from the fucking 80's?

>> No.54126818

>>54121010
End of game, world-altering artifacts.
Cursed artifacts that sent the party on a massive sidequest to regain control of my character.
Middling artifacts of moderately more power than your run of the mill magic item.

I've seen them all, anon.

>> No.54127236

How do I properly build a Strength-based, AoO-based Zealot? Using Eternal Guardian and Sleeping Goddess, race is Angel-Blooded Aasimar. Thanks in advance

>> No.54127333

>>54127236
Take the zealot conviction that nets you Cha to number of AoOs per round.

>> No.54127362

>>54127236
Probably want trip feats, so enemies provoke when tripped, and they can't get up without getting tripped and hit more. Be aware of trip immunities, though.

>> No.54127450

>>54127333
That was already on the list. For a statline, how does the following look? +2 STR/CHA because Aasimar, level 6 start so +1 to CON from level ups, then add in magic items I guess for whatever bonuses.

STR: 18 DEX: 12 CON: 13 INT: 8 WIS: 12 CHA: 18

>>54127362
Rad, I haven't tried an AoO build before, which feats should I look at?

>> No.54127679
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> still salty about ensoulment

Well, not really. The results were fine. But I have a question. How does one get good at writing interesting characters?

I continually feel that I have these character concepts that have great potential, at least to me, with motives, drives, villains, and so on, but the feedback is always, always, a steady 'meh', or 'boring', or just nothing at all. It is the absolute worst sort of response. Even a shitty character who nonetheless entices the reader is at least engaging. But what defines one from the other?

I don't "get it" and it's very frustrating.

>> No.54127700

Hello /pfg/ my GM friend was thinking of running a gestalt game starting at level 17 so I was thinking of making that Druid/Wizard idea I has all along

But I wonder, I always knew for myself that managing spells at lower levels is already a bit difficult even though I manage. Doing such a character at level 17 is just asking for trouble for my brain/mind isnt it?

Sure, it will be super powerful, but i get a feeling I wont be able to manage it

>> No.54127714

>>54127679
The problem might not be in the idea so much as how you write it.

The app may have failed to bring across what excited you about the character to other people.

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>>54127700
>gestalt game starting at level 17
>full casters allowed

Why not psychic|wizard?

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So is Blood Money worth taking for a necromancer? I was thinking of playing a Juju Mystery Oracle with Ancient Lorekeeper, but I just don't know if it's worth it. Are there any other sorc/wizard only spells that would help as well?

>> No.54127771

>>54127679
I'd have to see a sample character to help. Ensoulment GM also said they'd talk to people who wanted feedback, so that would probably be even more helpful to you. I generally focus on integration into the setting and backstory to fill in motivations, while trying to remain somewhat grounded. It can run into issues of being generic, especially in games focused on being Big Damn Heroes. Playing with cultural aspects of the society can also be good, as it gives your character opinions on various topics a GM can use to further character development during sessions. Being moderate can get you in trouble, since the character can come off as not caring about anything. My advice would be to talk to Ensoulment GM, though.

>> No.54127788

Alrighty, my GM, who is pretty laid back, is allowing my charater to have a cybernetic dog.

The thing is, this dog is super intelligent, and able to talk. Even further still, he's letting this dog be trained as a BARD, so I get to roll up a character sheet.

I have PCGen, but am completely lost as to how to roll this crazy ass character up. Any tips?

>> No.54127795

>>54127679
FennecAnon did a really good job of putting how I've been feeling about ensoulment into words with >>54127192. Lots of really interested apps didn't make either of the prospective teams because Protag wanted a high concept philosophy game and these apps were "just" interesting characters.

>> No.54127808

>>54127795
Matheo though

>> No.54127848

>SoP War sphere with Battle Manipulation drawback
>Pick Rally (Empower) for an immediate action +4 morale bonus to Attack, AC, CMB, CMD, save, concentration and spell penetration for 1 round.
>Pick Community Minded (Rahadoum) regional trait
>Extend that morale bonus to 3 rounds.

Just how strong is this really?

>> No.54127852

>>54127788
Maybe make him Gabe the Dog? The major issue is, as a dog, you won't really be able to play instruments, so you're kind of limited in your performance types, which then limits your possible versatile performance picks and masterpieces.

Maybe Thundercaller or Soundstriker or one of the other attack-focused archetypes? Oh, or do Wordcasting, if your DM allows it.

>> No.54127859

>>54127731
I simply want to play Wizard/Druid, is that simple

But I worry about managing a level 17 double caster

>> No.54127862

>>54127700
>Ever gestalting two full casters
It's not a good idea for a lot of reasons

>> No.54127866

SoM failed because 2hu scared the devs into balancing around Paizo martials. It allows you to play a ton of different concepts, but it could have made Pathfinder great.

>> No.54127892

>>54127866
That's only half of the problem. The other alf is Ssalarn being a complete shit who can't take criticism

>> No.54127896

>>54127808
What about him?

>> No.54127923
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>>54127866
>>54127892
So we're in agreement that 2hu killed half of SoM?

>> No.54127935

>>54127862
Mind explaining

The idea is to play Arcane Hierophant from 3e really

>> No.54127938

>>54127892
That too, but ssalarn was only 1/4 of the team
>>54127923
Of course.

>> No.54127969

>>54127859
It's an assload of spells. I'd pick something else, if I struggled with managing one low level spell list.

>> No.54127973

>>54127866

SoM failed because they're garbage hacks. If you put 2hu in charge he would've given all the classes non combat utility tracks separate from their combat options.

>> No.54127993

>>54127852
Thanks for the suggestions! Yeah, this dog (his name is Fenriz, because originality) is supposed to be a really good singer

>> No.54127997

>>54127973
>Jolly
>hack
Go back to sucking that anime cock

>> No.54127999

>>54127714

This might be the case.... how would you suggest going about it?

>>54127771

I can't really bring myself to shill a dead character here, but the other points are interesting. Would you say it's *mostly* about fit, above anything else?

>>54127795

That's fair, if you discovered after the fact that the game was not for you.

>> No.54128003

>>54127679
Which character was yours?

I'd be willing to do a post-mortem, if you're interested in hearing my thoughts.

>> No.54128007

>>54127973
She

>> No.54128030

>>54127999
>I can't really bring myself to shill a dead character here, but the other points are interesting. Would you say it's *mostly* about fit, above anything else?
After the fact it's not shilling, it's just getting constructive criticism.

>> No.54128038

>>54127935
>You have to keep track of two different spell lists
>You have to spend 2 hours each day meditating for druid spells and studying your spellbook separately
>You'll never ever run out of high level spells, so you get to be broken

>> No.54128052

>>54127973
>given all the classes non combat utility tracks separate from their combat options.

This would've been total bullshit because what if I don't WANT noncombat utility eating up my combat power?

>> No.54128090

>>54128052

Don't be stupid. 2hu advocates for classes receiving SEPARATE non combat tracks in ADDITION to their combat stuff. Just like Vigilante.

>> No.54128133

>>54127999
For Ensoulment, it seemed like it. I didn't pay it a ton of attention, so my opinion is worth dick here. In general, you have to match the tone and the setting before anything else, or your character will feel incredibly jarring.

>> No.54128150

Convince me why I shouldn't play a Roil Dancer that enters into the Mage Hunter PrC in order to get Constitution-based Magus casting.

>> No.54128184

>>54128150
Nah. That sounds very nice and you should do it if it sounds good.

>> No.54128189

>>54128090
Vigilante gets basically ribbons every other level.

Look at the SoM classes, they get combat shit EVERY level.

>> No.54128197

Any recruiting games?

Or has the golden age ended?

>> No.54128208

>>54128197
Right here!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/75856/dimensional-ark-abyssia

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/80257/tuvarkzs-wrath-of-the-righteous

>> No.54128215

>>54128189

And if 2hu had his way you retarded mouth breather, they would get that AND a non combat utility track. Vigilante's social talents sucking is irrelevant to HOW their talents are distributed. Holy fuck you are stupid.

>> No.54128227

>>54128197
LotLK will be recruiting after WotR finishes its recruiting cycle.

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Are any games looking for cute doggo girls?

>> No.54128266

>>54128208

>Bamboozle

>Shit show being run by a sperglord.

Anon pls. You should have just said there were no games recruiting.

>> No.54128283

>>54128251
Nope.

>> No.54128287

I'm looking at malefex and I kinda want to use Gobsmack to make a battle maid. How else can I support this style? I'll need Bad Penny, maybe Make Do?

>> No.54128306

>>54128266
Sorry, amigo. That was all I got.

>> No.54128393

>>54128266
Is it a bigger bamboozle if it runs and posts greentexts on the regular?

>> No.54128396

>>54121010
Question about exalted extended portfolio.
You get domain spells from your third domain, and only from your third domain, as SLA. Correct?

>> No.54128409

Okay, after much review I've decided to put my party (who should be level 2 by that point) up against a wereraptor bard 4. However, since that might still be too much natural armor for the party to deal with.

I will let them know beforehand that he's a lycanthrope and provide them with an alchemical silver emulsion to apply to either one of their weapons or 10 of their ammo so they can overcome a DR 5/silver.

The question now is: is this too easy?

>> No.54128412

>>54128215
Nobody has ever done combat/noncombat splits well, not even DSP's rajah is good, Heraldry levels suck dick while the combat levels are god.

>> No.54128439

>>54127848
It's pretty good, but nothing game breaking. Compare it to getting Greater Heroism.

>> No.54128443

>>54128412

So is it better that shitty non combat options get lumped in with the combat options to be ignored totally then? If SoM has good non combat stuff it should be separated. If their non combat stuff sucks, then that's a different issue.

>> No.54128482

>>54128443
What if you want to play a character who FIGHTS GOOD and doesn't care about noncombat?

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How many /pfg/ Discord cabals are there?

>> No.54128496

How stupid of an idea is it to refluff an Atstreidi (the DSP armor dude race) as like fifty poppets operating a single suit of armor like a tiny voltron?

>> No.54128520

>>54128482

The fighting good is totally isolated from the non combat. If you want to never do anything outside of combat, that is up to you as a player.

>> No.54128533

can a lyncathrope cast spells in hybrid form?

>> No.54128538

>>54128491
literally two

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Can you have masterwork stilettos?

Can you have +1 stilettos?

>> No.54128567

>>54128556
RAW no, but most GMs won't have a problem with it

>> No.54128578

>>54128556

Stiletto boots are written so fucking poorly. They should be an exotic weapon.

>> No.54128584

>>54128496
That's pretty stupid.

>> No.54128593

>>54128556
Masterwork stillettos? Yes

+1 stilletos? no because a magic item exists for that already. Like AoMF for improvised weapons

>> No.54128595

>>54128533
Yeah

>> No.54128601

>>54128556
>>54128578

Here's my fix

Stiletto Boots Exotic One Handed Light Weapons 1d4 x3 1lb 10 GP

Part of the close weapon group

>> No.54128626

>>54128595
with verbal and somatic components?

>> No.54128640
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>>54127753
Bump.

Also, you can't take Magical Knack for a PrC's CL, right? Or at least you couldn't use Magical Knack for Agent of the Grave to boost Inspired Necromancy I'm assuming.

>> No.54128656

>>54128626
They have hands and can speak in hybrid form.

>> No.54128658

>>54121010
Other old thread: >>54121249

>> No.54128690

>>54127753

Most DMs ban Blood Money thought I always thought it was great for a Blood Mage that isnt a willy wonka rip off. I would assume you are taking it to get around the onyx requirement?

I prefer the Word of Power version, you have to sink a feat but you get Word of Death which is just spamming undead all day erry day

>> No.54128707

>>54128439
I should note, an SoP caster can do this at level 1. My GM saw this combo and suggested that I can pick only one of those bonuses at any time, but not all of them at the same time. I can't exactly argue either, because as far as I'm concerned, even one bonus as an immediate action for 3 rounds is a damn good ability. I did want to at least get a second opinion, though.

>> No.54128711

>>54127896
Presumably he's awful.

>> No.54128724

>>54128690
Yeah pretty much. The only reason I haven't thought about using the Word of Power instead is because I feel a lot of feats/abilities that mention animate dead wouldn't apply.

>> No.54128774

>>54127923
No, fuck off you retarded, anime-posting witchhunter.

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Are we back to Pathfinder General /pfg/ forever now?

No more Paizo Games General /pgg/?

>> No.54128788

>>54128782
pgg a shit

>> No.54128794

>>54128782

I suppose so. /sfg/ is a bit bare, but people are keeping it going.

>> No.54128818

>>54128724

I mean, it is basically the same thing. You might have to ask your DM. I think of the two he would prefer you not to have Blood Money but who knows.

>> No.54128831

What is better, Str or Dex ascetic oracle?

>> No.54128899

>>54128794
Anon. /sfg/ died hours ago and nobody had even cared to replace it.

>> No.54128982

>>54128899
If that's the case it would make sense to put the /sfg/ links back into the OP.

>> No.54129103

Can a first level team handle this if one of them has a silver weapon, or should I let them level up a bit earlier than normal

Rex Raptor (hybrid form) CR 4
XP 800
Half-elf Lycanthrope (Velociraptor) archaeologist 4
NE Medium humanoid (elf, human, shapechanger)
Init +3; Senses low-light vision; Perception +13

DEFENSE

AC 21, touch 13, flat-footed 17 (+4 armor, +3 Dex, +3 natural armor)
hp 33 (4d8+12)
Fort +4, Ref +7, Will +3; +2 vs. enchantments, +4 vs. bardic performance, language-dependent, and sonic
DR 5/silver
Uncanny Dodge cannot lose his dex bonus except when immobilized or being targeted by a feint

OFFENSE

Speed 60 ft.
Melee bite +6 (1d6+2), 2 talons +6 (1d8+2/19-20)

Special Attacks
Leaping Charge when charging Rex Raptor ignores difficult terrain and deals double damage with talons
archaeologist's luck 7 rounds/day (+1 to attacks, saves, skills, damage)
Bard Spells Known (CL 4th; concentration +7)

2nd (2/day)invisibility, summon swarm
1st (4/day)—charm person (DC 14), summon minor monster, vanish, summon monster I
0th (at will)—daze (DC 13), detect magic, know direction, message, read magic, resistance

STATISTICS

Str 15, Dex 17, Con 17, Int 12, Wis 8, Cha 16
Base Atk +3; CMB +6; CMD 16
Feats Agile Maneuvers, Multiattack, Weapon Finesse, Power Attack
Skills Acrobatics +10, Bluff +10, Diplomacy +10, Perception +10, Disable Device +12, Profession (archaeology) +6, Sense Motive +6, Use Magic Device +10; Racial Modifiers +2 Perception; Class Modifiers +2 perception, disable device
Languages Draconic, Common, Elven
SQ bardic knowledge +2, elf blood

>> No.54129121

>>54129103

21 AC is really rough for level 1's

>> No.54129124

>>54129103
There's a pretty good chance they'll all die.

Invisibility/Vanish + Summon Swarm is a bitch.

>> No.54129125

>>54129103
21 AC is really rough... so is the DR.

>> No.54129131

>>54129103
>can start the fight invisible
>has enough HP to outlast even a raging barbarian
>AC is high enough that even a well-to-do frontliner such as a Warder or Fighter still needs to roll a 15 or better to even think about touching him
Yeah, that's a TPK waiting to happen, or at least one PC guaranteed dead by the time they flee.

>> No.54129141

>>54129121
>>54129124
>>54129125
>>54129131

should I let them all level up or just power him down a level or two?

>> No.54129152

>>54129141
Level them up, and lower his AC.

>> No.54129157

>>54128831
Depends if you are taking ascetic armor or you want to be monk in full plate.
Ascetic armor + weapon finesse gets you most of the way to dex master stat
Or take heavy armor proof, and go the strength route and use the other revelation for something else.

>> No.54129169

>>54129152
will do. Also his health should be lower than that

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>>54129103
Cr 4 means it is a Challenge rated for a level 4 party of four players. Unless you are going to put him in a cage where they can stab at him through the gaps with silver weapons, they are going to die

>> No.54129261

>>54129215
he's a boss battle. they'll be level 2 with 20 point-buy and two silver weapons and an alchemist (all energy attacks).

Think they can handle it if he starts unshifted and visible?

>> No.54129363

>>54129103
>Rex Raptor
Hey, my dinosaur is horny

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>>54129261
It will depend on your players. Don't put them in an open field where he can use his 60 ft movement, or at least give them cover and places to corner him if they are playing tactically. Maybe even give them mundane ways to spot him coming through his invisibility, sacks of flour come to mind.

>> No.54129428

>>54129261
This is rusty dagger shanktown, any 'boss' for a low level party will either TPK them or at least 1-2 will die

>> No.54129458
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54129458

What's the best class to use if you wanna whip things?

>> No.54129471

>>54129458
vigilante has a talent specifically for making whips viable.

>> No.54129472

>>54129428
I dunno, the "boss" from Unlucky Red Chair was pretty cool to fight against as a group of level 1's.

>> No.54129481

>>54129458
I use an inquisitor of calistria, with an intimidate build as my dominatrix

>> No.54129524

>>54129458
Masked avenger swashbuckler

>> No.54129581
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>>54129363
sorry, I couldn't come up with a better name

>>54129365
this is their battleground. he starts at the western doorway, they start by the stairs. He opens with summoning 1d3 dwarf caiman crocodiles to buy him some time, then tries to shift while they're distracted. I've changed his stats like so. Note his AC and health are lower and he can no longer go invisible.

He's actually a coward so if it looks like he's going to lose he'll cast feather fall and jump off the ledge to escape

Rex Raptor (hybrid form) CR 4
XP 800
Half-elf Lycanthrope (Velociraptor) archaeologist 4
NE Medium humanoid (elf, human, shapechanger)
Init +3; Senses low-light vision; Perception +13

DEFENSE

AC 18, touch 13, flat-footed 14 (+1 armor, +3 Dex, +3 natural armor)
hp 30 (4d8+12)
Fort +4, Ref +7, Will +3; +2 vs. enchantments, +4 vs. bardic performance, language-dependent, and sonic
DR 5/silver
Uncanny Dodge cannot lose his dex bonus except when immobilized or being targeted by a feint

OFFENSE

Speed 60 ft.
Melee bite +6 (1d6+2), 2 talons +6 (1d8+2/19-20)

Special Attacks
Leaping Charge when charging Rex Raptor ignores difficult terrain and deals double damage with talons
archaeologist's luck 7 rounds/day (+1 to attacks, saves, skills, damage)
Bard Spells Known (CL 4th; concentration +7)

2nd (2/day) summon monster II, summon swarm
1st (4/day)—charm person (DC 14), summon minor monster, feather fall, summon monster I
0th (at will)—daze (DC 13), detect magic, know direction, message, read magic, resistance

STATISTICS

Str 15, Dex 17, Con 17, Int 12, Wis 8, Cha 16
Base Atk +3; CMB +6; CMD 16
Feats Agile Maneuvers, Multiattack, Weapon Finesse, Power Attack
Skills Acrobatics +10, Bluff +10, Diplomacy +10, Perception +10, Disable Device +12, Profession (archaeology) +6, Sense Motive +6, Use Magic Device +10; Racial Modifiers +2 Perception; Class Modifiers +2 perception, disable device
Languages Draconic, Common, Elven
SQ bardic knowledge +2, elf blood

>> No.54129620

Other than infinite loop fuckery

How does Harbinger 20/ dervish defender warder 1, shadow wizard 19 sound for a gestalt character?

Obviously over the top in terms of raw power, but i'm thinking about going hard on the wizard side with the 20% more real effects for shadow spells

>> No.54129699

>>54129620

Are you starting at level 20?

>> No.54129701
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Should I make my barbarian princess a power bottom?

That's a trick question, my barbarian princess was already a power bottom

>> No.54129732

>>54129701
Power bottoms are the best when their top mans up and breaks them in.

>> No.54129744

>>54129699
No, But i was thinking of starting with the warder/harbinger level first to get Int to AC and have a good start to rusty dagger shanktown. The wizard stuff woul;d mostly be for shadow spells and travel spells like the teleportation lines

>> No.54129747

>>54129732
Agreed

>> No.54129873

>>54128556
>New spells
>Its for the chained summoner only
Gee whiz paizo, thanks a lot for encouraging GMs to force their players to play your unchained version but never actually updating its spell list.

Literally happens every single time.

>> No.54129884

>>54129873
Don't forget that most Monk archetypes they're releasing are Chained, too. Paizo are cunts when it comes to Unchained content.

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>>54129581
Leaping charge is still a death sentence for anyone it hits.
Pc ac at level 2 is probably 15-20. Hp in the 20s for non casters.
Talon +7 (+1 luck)(-2 power attack)(+2 charge)(1d8+8x2)(+3 strength for primary natural weapon)(+1luck)(+4 power attack)(double damage on charge) 2d8+16 against 20~ish hp.

If you use the leap consider doing combat manuvers to trip or disarm and such and play up the coward.

>> No.54130083

>>54130010
His BAB is 3, so power attack will be a but lighter. That also means it'll be more accurate. 2d8+12 for the talon. I'm not sure three luck bonus goes in for damage either. 2d8+10. That's still plenty damage, and assuming you hit the party caster, that could be a wrap. Summoned monsters are also making attacks, so if they've managed to soften the PCs up at all, a charge could take out one of the 2 people with a silver weapon.

>> No.54130179

>>54128208
Wow, Nodachi of the Righteous is pretty goddamn edgy.

Hard pass.

>> No.54130180

>>54130083
Ah right 3/4 Bab. But luck does go for attack roll and damage. I assume the rogue talent went into one of the feat.

But seriously 60 movement in that chamber means he has his pick of who to attack every turn.

>> No.54130198

>>54130010
>>54130083

hm, youre not wrong there.

he'll be doing between 12 and 26 damage on a charge

The party tank will have 22-32 health which means he's going to take a substantial hit, but he'll get an AoO.

Since the tank is playing Neckbeard, the white dwarven samurai he'll still have his shitty mall nodachi unless he's rolled a natural 1 with it, which means 2x(1d10+7+power attack) damage to Rex if he uses the temporary silver oil I provide on it.

He can survive it.

The question is whether I should let neckbeard take BoVD's morbid obesity as a bonus feat for fluff's sake to get an extra 2 hp

>> No.54130223

>>54129581
He's summoning as a full-round action, right? Things will be summoned by the time they enter?

>> No.54130313

>>54130223
No, he holds off summoning until the last moment since they only last 4 rounds. The minute the fight starts he'll summon either 1d3 prehistoric crocodiles (cr 1/3) or a swarm of archaeopteryxes to buy him time while he shapeshifts the next round. Once he's shifted the only time he'll cast is if he's using feather fall to escape.

honestly, looking over the numbers here, they could actually pull this off in a single attack with some luck

>> No.54130379

>>54130313
Do note with full-round casting, the spell doesn't go off until the beginning of his next turn, so they could very much charge and fuck him up before he summons.

>> No.54130407

Friendly reminder that the pointed shape of elven ears evolved specifically for foreplay. As long-lived species tend to be monogamous and elves are the longest-lived of them all, their ears are sensitive and erogenous for purpose of additional enjoyment during copulation so that the bond between partners becomes stronger.
Elves are literally built to obsess over a single person and be faithful.

>> No.54130417

>>54130407
I feel like this is the 3rd time today I've seen this, did someone put a bot timer on just to repost this exact train of thought?

>> No.54130419

>>54130379
true, but because of the curl of the stairs they'll start too far away to make it to him in one round, and the crocs will be arranged to bar the path

>> No.54130431

>>54130417
I wasn't even any of the previous posters of this. I just really liked the idea when I saw it.

>> No.54130435

>>54130407
So the Elves who marry humans and pine for their dead lovers for centuries are the elven equivalent of deviant sluts?

>> No.54130444

>>54130435
Yes.

>> No.54130468

>>54130417
I asked why people thought elf ears were so sensitive. It still feels like an anime meme with reasoning tacked on afterward to justify, but if that's what people want for their campaigns, whatever.

>> No.54130481

>>54130468

That is exactly why

>> No.54130559
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54130559

So if a city was built entirely by cooperative wizards into a magical research Utopia, what would be the quickest way nuke the place into a pile of rubble?
My first thought was delayed antimagic field bombs around some of the permanent protection wards. Let lose some of the caged outsiders.

>> No.54130596

>>54130407
Reminder to cut ears off of elves. It's like circumcising them.

>> No.54130598

>>54130559
Well, first you.need something that is immune to divinations from high level wizards.
Next you need something that won't pop up under a basic detect magic spell, and in places where they won't be using x-ray vision.
Then, you need it to be fast enough to not be quickly blocked by Abjurers or otherwise negated.
Really, the only way I can see it work is by having an insider sabotage all their defenses, then get a Mythic Archer to Nuke the place with an actual nuke or other explosive ordinance from the other side of the solar system

>> No.54130620

>>54130596
You need to fucking stop right now.

>> No.54130707

>>54130596
As long as you do it while they are younger, there'll be less scarring. Also it is then easier to sculpt the remaining ear into a more human shape if you want.

>> No.54130758

>>54130598
Orbital bombardment solvels so many problems. Do we have the lore of what happened in the Mana wastes to make magic so sketcky.

>> No.54130780

This has probably been done a million times before, though I personally never played a campaign like this, how would you do a full blown Andoran-Cheliax war? I don't mean Andoran's revolution but one that happens years later after Andoran is an established nation.

I was thinking one segment could involve the party paying of Taldan nobles to support the side they're fighting for in hopes of convincing the high prince to support the side they're aligned with. It would be relevant since Taldor is near them both and if the war got big enough it wouls probably come to their soorstep anyway.

And then I got thinking that maybe every nation involved in Inner Sea slave trade such as Katapesh, who are tired of Andoran fucking up said slave trade would join in with Cheliax and then maybe it would spiral into a world war scale if the elves and dwarves then decide to come to Andoran's aide, Galt would also definately support Andoran because they hate Cheliax. And Isger would obviously have to fight with Cheliax because they're Cheliax's bottom bitch.

And now after all this I can't even think of an event that would set it off.

Any suggestions?

>> No.54130807

>>54130780
Go full WW and have a duke be assassinated by an extremist posing as one of the country's citizens.

>> No.54130926

>>54130780
Codwin I gets assassinated by his VP(Supreme elects have those right? Fuck it) who was paid off by the Chelaxians or because he's a closet Asmodeus worshipper or something, the PCs investiagate his assassination and uncover the plot which theb leads to war because Andorens start calling for blood after they learn this. Then have Codwin's son/daughter become an ally NPC so the campaign becomes something like Fire Emblem, just make sure they don't become a DMPC, go have them fight other battles while the PCs do their thing and have them team up every now and then. If it's a full scale World War then this should be easy because the PCs obviously can't do everything at once.

Hell, the thing with Taldor could turn into a Taldan civil war which would really be a proxy war between Andoran and Cheliax which might even be a precursor to the main war.

This could either be incredibly awesome or the worst shit ever depending on how it's done. The above is just assuming the party is supporting Andoran but you could have a similar scenario if it was a pro-Cheliax party that help assassinate Codwin or something.

>> No.54130935

so what do people think of the "pathfinder: Kingmaker " game being made on kickstarter funded by paizo. i think it looks promising.

>> No.54130972

>>54130935
It really doesn't. And kickstarter sucks ass.

>> No.54131181

Can someone give me a hand? I'm mastering my first campaign and some of my friends are breaking the game a bit too much I think.
They are a party of 4 level 5 that clear CR 11-12 like it's nothing, half orc barbarian with a warcat, paladin archer (actually does the least), wizard with arcane pool and life shaman (the most broken one).

What the shaman does every fight is usually life link everyone, shield other the barbarian through human FCB. He also has a guardian pet which takes half his damage and regenerates every turn.

He also almost always has false life and shield of succor up so no matter how hard I hit they always still stand.

He has lots of strong channel energy with fey foundling so he heals everyone, pet included all the time. Even if I hit them for 80-90 every round they fix it up in a turn or two at most.

What should I do? Keep throwing retardedly strong enemies at them until they finally get 1shotted or try to go at it some other way?

>> No.54131335

>>54131181
Enemy casters. Traps. Ability score damage. Special attacks that require saves. It depends how lethal you want to go, really. Can they swim? Do dungeoneering shit. Surprise round attacks from invisible enemies that prepared. Hold Person spells, pits, clouds, black tentacles, all kinds of ways beyond straight damage to fuck people up. I dunno how lethal you wanna go, though. Also, giving them multiple fights between chances to rest makes it a game of resource management.

>> No.54131382

So, I'm making a gestalt character who's a necromancer and kind of has this reaper theme to them. I thought about taking the Ghost Rider cavalier archetype as my second class (cleric being the first), but I'm also taking the Souleater prestige class and I feel like having a mount -and- a familiar is just too much. Any full BAB classes that can do the whole scythe-wielding necromancer theme just as well? Otherwise, is there an archetype that gets rid of a cavalier's mount entirely?

>> No.54131393

>>54131181
Fey Foundling only works on the healing you receive yourself.
Shield Other costs 50gp each time you use it.
If he has both Shield Other and a Guardian pet, then him getting hit with an AOE should do something screwy with the damage.
I hope he's got Selective Channel.

Honestly, I think you should rejoice. Typically in PF healing is useless, and tanking is mildly pointless.

>> No.54131418

I know there is a lot of starknife support, is it possible to make a good build for them? Also are the adventurers armory 2 exotic weapons any good?

>> No.54131444

>>54130407
>tfw elves are literally perfect waifus
Why would you ever have anything other than an elven waifu, /pfg/?

>> No.54131479

>>54131382
Yes those archetypes exist. Slayer or ranger are fitting full bab options. I suggest slayer or keep the spooky horse.

>> No.54131520

>>54130596
That's just rude, m8.

>> No.54131623

>>54131418
Divine Fighting Technique, Desna's Shooting Star and boom, you get CHA to your attack and damage rolls.

>> No.54131651

>>54121010
What's that 3pp or homebrew pact sworn mage class pfg was shilling for a while called, and where can I find it?

>> No.54131856

>>54131651
Pact sworn mage? You might be thinking of Avowed. FSS has it available publicly, though it's not on the PFSRD.

>> No.54131973

>>54131393
>Shield Other costs 50gp each time you use it.

Not true.
You need to buy the 50gp item once.
Then it's good for all future castings as long as you have it.

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>new book introduces some neat new weapon properties for martials
>locked behind a gorillion feats

>> No.54132102

>>54132062
Prerequisite trees are the worst part of 5e.

No prereq should ever be more than 3 levels deep, and that should be fucking rare.

>> No.54132108

>>54132102
Worst part of pf. It's late.

I can't even post properly anymore . Im going to bed.

Lol

>> No.54132109

>>54132102
>of 5e
Is this bait?

>> No.54132182

>>54132109
No, it's late.

>> No.54132185

>>54131393
Focus items and Material Components are different, anon.

>> No.54132196

What would makes more sense or be more interesting? A servant scholar lured into the lifestyle of a cossack or a cossack who befriends scholars and learns a thing or two of sophisticated debate?

>> No.54132287

How do you all feel about nonstandard spell progression? Like say, a 5caster, or a 4caster bumped up 3 levels.

It really feels like the step down from 6 to 4 is just a fucking chasm of power change

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What the goddamn fuck is with pic related?
That face is the stuff of nightmares.

>> No.54132352

>>54132295
I think that that's supposed to be a lashunta?

>> No.54132362

>>54132352
I thought lashunta were supposed to be beautiful?

>> No.54132384

>>54132362
Maybe somebody at paizo likes butterfaces. Who knows.

>> No.54132441

>>54132287
Delayed 4 is shit. Duskblade progression is good.

>> No.54132445

Now that /sfg/ is dead, do we go back to /pgg/ or what the fuck even happens?

>> No.54132464

>>54132445
I don't see this as a "we" problem. If starfinder players can't get enough discussion for their game that doesn't mean you have to use the pathfinder thread. I'm sure when starfinder is actually out you'll get more discussion anyway.

>> No.54132473

>>54132445
What happened to Starfinder General?

>> No.54132522

>>54132473
The last one died about 50-60 posts in due to inactivity.

>> No.54132544

>>54132441
What is the duskblade progression? I normally just pull out the book but I'm not home right now

I turned Chloromancer into an accelerated 4caster when I re-jiggered bloom2.0.

>> No.54132553

>>54132544
>namefagging

>> No.54132746

>>54132362
I'm guessing it's the short hairy subrace rather than the tall beautiful subrace.

>> No.54132853

>>54129701
A Barbarian princess should want a partner with the forwardness to express his desires on a woman and have the strength to satisfy those lusts even if the woman is somewhat unwilling. She's thus a power bottom in the sense that she wants her man to dominate her, yet WORK for it.

Is this the Shoanti princess being memed from earlier?

>> No.54132871

>>54132746
But the short hairy subrace are the MEN.

>> No.54132887

>>54132871
This is Paizo we're talking about, have a retcon.
>Lashunta
>“The telepathic lashunta are the most prominent race on Castrovel, and actually comprise two different subspecies, with children deciding which one they'll grow into during adolescence. Damaya lashunta are tall, poised, and adaptable, making excellent leaders and diplomats, while korasha lashunta are short, muscular, and headstrong, often serving as warriors or explorers. Both subspecies revere scholarship and self-improvement, and their natural charisma makes them popular with other races. Lashuntas traditionally live in matriarchal city-states fortified against the predators of the wild, but while they fiercely value their independence, these city states rarely engage in open warfare against each other, and come to each other’s aid in times of need—such as to defend against their ancient insectile enemies, the formians.”

>> No.54132918

>>54130935
I already funded it as hope, but as time goes on I'm getting REALLY worried about the direction it's going. No multiplayer? Okay, sure, netcode is hard. Baldur's Gate-style real time combat? I mean, I guess it can work, but I'd prefer turn-based. New classes are stretch goals and archetypes aren't even available yet? That makes it sound a lot more like the classes are going to be sold to us as DLC. Complete lack of mod support? What the actual fuck, is that so hard to add?

>> No.54132935

>>54132887
found the source: http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?4091-EXCLUSIVE-A-Look-At-The-Planet-Castrovel-From-The-Upcoming-Starfinder-RPG

>> No.54132939

>>54132918
Mod support as far as i know is pretty much the hardest thing to add, because it means you can't just make the game work, you have to make the game work in ways that make sense.
Look at baldur's gate, lots of things in that are hardcoded to hell and back and are nightmares to change, but that's what the people making the game felt was a good way to make those features work. Making it work in a way that can be remotely understood or modified by others is harder and would mean a longer dev time.

Then again i could be retarded and wrong about everything.

>> No.54132983

>>54132887
>Fiercely independent matriarchal city-states

This has JJ's cheetos stained fingers all over it, holy shit. People actually have hopes for this garbage?

>> No.54132986

>>54132939
I guess that's a possibility, but from the AMAs and comments and such it feels less like they're doing it because it's hard and more like they're doing it as an attempt to make more money by selling stuff that could otherwise have been modded in. Any time someone asks about mods they either say "No mods" or just flat-out ignore the question.

>> No.54133030

>>54132853
maybe

>> No.54133111

>>54132983
Yes, because the idea of women running things in a fictional setting doesn't make me angry.

>> No.54133215

>>54133111
Matriarchy would have made sense if they kept the women as charismatic telepaths and the men short n' stubby intellectuals. Now it just seems like Castroval is yet another CG wonderland built around being JJ's vision for a good society.

Huh, I just realized all the Lawful societies in the setting are either evil or assholes and all the Chaotic types are gloriously utopian.

>> No.54133216

Friendly reminder that the greatest mortal warrior of all history and the only mortal to ever defeat a true god (5 domains and all shit) in melee combat was a woman. :^)

>> No.54133225

>>54133215
But do they abide by the NAP

>> No.54133243

>>54133225
Castroval abides by the NAP as it notes they're adorably pacifist, Absalom Station must abide by the NAP and I think the free companies that Navasi are from have their own NAP.

Azlanti Star Empire, Aspis Consortium, Eoxian Corporates, AbadarCorp, they're all Evil and they're all Law.

>> No.54133272

>>54133243
So you're saying that when you give people power over others, they inevitably become evil

>> No.54133302

>>54133272
Yes, which is why the future must be seized by the homosexual proletariat.

>> No.54133361

>>54133302
AUTOMATED
GAY
SPACE
COMMUNISM

>> No.54133401

How should a fantasy equivalent of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth be represented?

>> No.54133406

>>54132544
0th and 1st level spells at level 1.
2nd level spells at level 5
3rd level spells at level 9
4th level spells at level 13
5th level spells at level 17

>> No.54133470

>>54133401
That's basically Brevoy, but a fantasy version would be a structured kingdom united through marriage with a much larger, arguably more powerful "kingdom" of barbarians and semi-savages.

>> No.54133562

>>54133361
You forgot luxury comrade. Or were you not referencing that meme?
>>54133302
Bachuan on golarion is "communist". Amusingly there it all turned to shit after a woman took power.

>> No.54133570

>>54133406
That looks more serviceable for my needs.

Spellcasting continues to worry me. It's been getting the stepchild treatment because 6casting was too strong for my needs, and 4casting sucks.

5 casting progression off a hybrid list might be the ticket out?

Thanks anon.

>> No.54133621

>>54133562
Bachuan was written when JJ had to be subtle about his raging Commie-Boner.

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>>54133570
You're welcome.

As far as I know, this is the only class that has 5th level casting in 3.0, 3.5, or PF.

>> No.54133670

>>54133621
Well as an actual commie i gotta say i haven't seen much he's ever written that was pro-commie and if he thinks the shit he has written is meant to come off that way he's a terrible writer.
Mostly he's just gone full on identity politics that i've noticed as of late. Very big on making sure each and every tiny little difference between people is suuuper important and we are all so tolerant of differences, except if it says monstrous humanoid in the bestiary then apparently its okay to just genocide them.

>> No.54133764

>>54133660
There is the Spellburst Savant

>> No.54133779

>>54133660
Spellburst Savant and some variety of Ranger back in 3.5 would like to have a word with you.

>> No.54133783

>>54133660
Well, I think I'm going to slap it on Chloromancer and Tome-Smiter because it seems to be the weakest way to start with casting at level 1

>> No.54133801

>>54133783
I really don't get why the medium's casting is what it is. It probably should have just been a 6 caster.

>> No.54133810

Give ne a name for a mercenary warband primarely composed of gunslingers, mounted cavalry and scouts lead by a Rakshasa-spawn tiefling.

>> No.54133845

>>54133810
I don't know, but throwing the word Mongrel in there couldn't hurt. "Powder Mongrels"

>> No.54133851
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>>54133660
Is that Youmu?

>> No.54133874
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>>54133810
Noshur Vivors.

The rakshasa-spawn tiefling should be a runaway prince. That way, he can have a lotta royalty for a hired gun.

>> No.54133886

>>54133851
Yes

Artist name is "Ganesagi"

>> No.54133907

>>54133670
>An actual communist

Teehee

>> No.54133934
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>>54133670
>actual commie

>> No.54134041

>>54133907
>>54133934
Yes anon, people in every section of the political spectrum agree James Jacobs is a fucking idiot.

>> No.54134136

I saw the adventurer's armory updated some of the old racial weapons like gnome piston maul etc.
Did any of them become good?

>> No.54134150

What's Tuvarkz's game look like?

Any good characters made for it?

>> No.54134162

>>54134150
I hear Rory is gonna replace Edgelord with a mecha-piloting, shotgun-wielding Frenchman

>> No.54134272

>>54134150
Shit.

Sadly, people HAVE put effort into it.

>> No.54134319

>>54134272
Which characters do you think deserve to be in a "better" game?

>> No.54134328

>>54134319
Literally all of them. Nobody needs to suffer through any of THAT game.

>> No.54134364

>>54133810

The Court of Miracles.

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>>54134136
I'm not sure about the old weapons, but there's an Orc Hornbow:

>2d6/x3, 80 ft

I'm going to feel bad about fielding Orc Archers against PCs.

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>>54134150
>>54134162
>>54134272
>>54134319

Let's do a summary.

>Noriel
Elven archer, generically nice girl.
>Amaleone "Leona" Saelieni [Darkstar the Witness]
Vigilante-oracle, uses magic and has a slutty alter ego.
>Konrad Aldori
Lawful Neutral dick mach- wait he isn't? Huh.
>Seraphina Alanor
Pure-pure good girl paladin. Leader-type, with paladin and warlord.
>Sir Frederick Von Stiehl
Cavalier/warpriest, probably a charge build. Worships at the altar of aesthetic bodybuilding and turning twinks into hunks.
>Elminar Valran
Pretty normal heroic dude, combines paladin with paladin-a-like zealot.
>Cyrielle d'Equesse
Cute grill who's flighty and vivacious out of armor, but all-business in it. Like if you combined the spirit of a mullet, a thot and a tin can.
>Nolah
Escapee from a demon cult, really really into Desna as it turns out.
>Qari Xazi
Half-elf gish, dresses like a huge slut.
>Leonard Therteo
Tiefling (normal and handsome edition) who's a paladin/oracle. Pretty normal, good guy. Angry, angry about demons.
>Ruhiel Inaedel
Death by snu snu shy half-giant. Low-key charismatic.
>Ferd Maznor
THE WALL, THE WALL, NO ONE ON EARTH CAN MAKE IT FALL
>Rackem and Knight Turner
Edgy dialogue in italics.
>Servant
BLEEP BLOOP I DIDN'T READ CHARGEN RULES
>Semiramis Zadim
Cute brown fightgirl. Awkward, because the new meta is shy 2m tall amazons.
>Zephrus Mokami
Sneaky punchboi.
>Tyras "Butcher" Barsali
Bretty edgy, my dude.
>Bethany Lyne Tertia Calum
You thought I wouldn't recognize Muneneko art, didn't you? The book is hiding the fact the character has giant titties. Wizardstigator, so basically give up on any other int-based characters.
>Rika Shilor
Too short, didn't read.
>Leofric Longstrider
Oh wow, a mature adult male who's seen it all. Almost... paternal. Breaking the mould over here!
>Shan Long
Some kinda Tian dude born in Mendev? Also a punchboi.
>Carmone Guesclin
Edge backstory. Worships Gorum because unlike Kurgess he has FUNCTIONAL STRENGTH. Edgy.

>> No.54134510

>>54134474
>Elven archer, generically nice girl.
She has a touch of DEA VULT to her, though, being obsessed with purging demons.
>Lawful Neutral dick mach- wait he isn't? Huh.
Sword swallower :^)
>Pure-pure good girl paladin. Leader-type, with paladin and warlord.
The most archetypal LADYKNIGHT of the apps
>Edgy dialogue in italics.
Also a non-serious app because can't make the timeslot, as is said in the app itself.

>> No.54134540

>>54134474
Gonna be honest, my favorites so far are
>Konrad
>Frederick
>Leonard
>Ruhiel
>Semiramis
>Bethany
>Leofric
>Shan

>> No.54134583

>>54134474
>The book is hiding the fact the character has giant titties.
I really don't think it's hiding it at all.

>> No.54134612

>>54134510
>>54134540
>>54134583
So what do you imagine as the least functional party here?

>> No.54134636

>>54134474
Ruhiel needs cuddles. Also, look at that inventory. Slinky undergarments!

>> No.54134692

>>54134474
>Qari Zaxi

Read her backstory, she dresses like a huge slut and will eagerly choke on dick if it makes someone feel better.

>> No.54134748

>>54134474
I think Halae was very explicit when talking about Bethany that she's voluptuous to the point it makes common activities awkward. Her boobs are probably bigger (both volume and proportionally) than Onryou, and her ample hips exacerbate her lame leg due to the sway she's gotta put in walking.

Also, realistic albino; she's got eye problems.

>> No.54134786

>>54134474
>Cyrielle is actually really well-written
>Tuvarkz put her in Tier 3

I'm just flabberghasted as to what madness brought that on, are her boobs not big enough for him? Because I thought a tough, sexy Frenchwoman would've been right up his alley.

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>>54134583
>>54134748
What I actually meant is that however big you think they are, they're actually even bigger. Muneneko (literally "breast cat" or "titty kitty") draws some big bazorbos.

>> No.54134801

>>54134786
The man has garbage taste.

>> No.54134803

>>54134748
Well of course it's got huge tits. That's most of what Halae plays.

>> No.54134828

Ragathiel is cooler than Iomedae by far.

>> No.54134833

>>54134786
Tuvarkz is a "MUH THICC" kind of faggot..
Cyrielle is too thin for him.

>> No.54134836

Can someone give me an actual rundown of DHB's classes. All I ever hear is like 'yeah it fixes things'. How does it actually fix anything? Asking for cavalier especially.

>> No.54134837

>>54134803
Her Hunter with the mutant dog-pet and Mouse were downright-modest though?

>> No.54134855

>>54134836
>How does it actually fix anything?
Not very well. There's a reason why no-one ever talks about them.

>> No.54134857

>>54134837
and her summoner was described as lanky, too, wasn't it?

Bethany's a break from the norm for her.

>> No.54134882

>>54134857
>>54134837
You could almost say Bethany is a satire of absurdly thicc casters by making her handicapped by the sheer size of her assets.

Cyrielle being casually tossed aside is just no bueno, she's slim and svelte in a very sensual way, she's not just some lanklet with no tits.

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Does anyone have the screencap or copypasta of Warlord vs Swashbuckler?

>> No.54134897

>>54134882
what do you expect from a 'muh ladyknights' thiccfag

>> No.54134907

>>54134150
Now that I am confirmed for not having get into ensoulment I can focus on making a good Techslinger for the game. Unfortunately I can't actually afford a technological weapon to start out, which is concerning, but at level 5 I will be able to start making my own tech gear.

Now the question becomes how do I get charges? Silver Mount is only 80 miles away. I should be able to build a construct that makes the run back and forth. The problem is I don't make constructs and the tech making rules doesn't have rules for robots. I am thinking of getting the new Poppet feat and then spending my 5th level feat on both making tech weapons AND making constructs. A medium animated object can have Fly and Faster. Constantly double moving, since it doesn't get tired, and because it can fly it can make the journey in approximately 10 hours, or a 20 hour round trip. It would be running batteries back and forth to the generators on Silver Mount. Now this flying contraption needs to be piloted by someone who knows what he is doing and able to defend itself. A homunculi of someone I have sedated on the construct would be ideal, but impractical. A hireling may be what it comes down to.

>> No.54134929

>>54134473
Any good ideas for what an Orc Hornbow user should look like? Are there any first party classes that give more to ranged than "full attack forever all the time"?

>> No.54134934

>>54134836
>>54134855
I have to disagree. No one talks about them because they don't have the 'flash' PoW does with teleporting behind someone and unsheathing your flaming soul katana. They put you on the same level as vigilantes both in and out of combat (probably better than vigilantes in combat) with cool options and a unique identity for your class.

/pfg/ generally doesn't want that, if they don't want fetishes they want to be shooting fire out of their hands while karate chopping a hole in reality.

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>>54134786
>>54134801
>>54134803
Since I have some time, let's autism some more over this and review breast sizes, sanity and sluttiness.

>Noriel
Average, normal, slutty.
>Amaleone "Leona" Saelieni [Darkstar the Witness]
Big, suffers from disassociation, slutty.
>Seraphina Alanor
Big, very sane, pure.
>Cyrielle d'Equesse
Smol and cute, suffers from disassociation, probably a slut.
>Nolah
Average, slightly traumatized, normal but probably an animal in bed.
>Qari Xazi
Huge chest, incredibly fucked up, huge slut.
>Ruhiel Inaedel
Smol for a giant, suffers from anxiety, pure.
>Semiramis Zadim
Average, suffers from anxiety, pure.
>Bethany Lyne Tertia Calum
A SINGULARITY MACHINE, anxious and might be autistic, pure.
>Rika Shilor
Big, normal, slut.
>Carmone Guesclin
Smol, anger issues and thanatophilia, pure.

>> No.54134949

>>54130758
Basically, just years of magic saturation, and Geb loving the fuck out of virus bombing everything. All that, mixed with Nex trying to fight back with highly experimental golems and Anti-Undead magics just gave he whole place a badcase of concentrated primal magic

>> No.54135001

>>54134836
It gives you a shit ton of Out ofcombat stuff. Also, Cavalier actually fixes the anemic bullshit thatwas Banner, gives it to you early, and allows you to learn new abilities for your banner and do other stuff.

DHB Cavalier is basically a Martial Bard

>> No.54135034

>>54135001
Examples for banner shit? Also what does gunslinger do? I heard someone saying that the mysterious stranger archetype for it is more classic gunslinger.

>> No.54135055

>>54134939
>might be autistic
Didn't Halae say she's literally autistic at one point?

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>>54134939
>Noriel
>average

Uhhhhhhhhhh...

>> No.54135078

>>54134939
>Seraphina
>Pure

>> No.54135080

>>54134939
>slutty
I'm trying to get better art through the drawthread. :-;
I just couldn't find literally anything that would work semi-decently other than that picture.

>> No.54135087

>>54135058
We're playing by Bible Black rules, son.

Anything less than a D cup is flat.

>> No.54135105

>>54135087
>tfw will never play the PLD Dark Squad of busty futa ninjas hunting down the so-called heroes

>> No.54135106

>>54128707
The real issue is the trait, I think. A flat '2 rounds' without the original bonus needing to be a certain minimum length is bad design. The rally is pretty strong as well, though, your fix sounds reasonable.

>> No.54135167

>>54135105
Busty futa tiefling ninja antipaladins for Lamashtu?

>> No.54135191

anyone know any cool polearm builds with 1pp stuff? I want to spear.

>> No.54135196

>>54135167
>tiefling
>Lamashtu
Replace with Drow and Titania, this is PLD we're talking about.

>> No.54135207

>>54135034
Well for one, you now gain Banner at 2nd level instead of 4th or whatever it was. Further, in addition to a basic Inspire Courage type buff, you also gain additional Banners types as you level up, and can switch between them. These banners seem to work in addition to your normal buff as well and include benefits like creating a daylight effect, enhancing everyone's movement speed, making enemies shaken, enhancing saves, constantly refreshed temp hp, and other stuff. Basically, Banner becomes the martial equivilent to Bardic Performance.

You also get Oaths, which is essentially your version of AWT, including the ability to snipe a paladin's Divine Grace, or getting your own stipend and castle as a noble.

And automatically at 4th level, you can start trading your mount for more exotic creatures without the need for archetypes. And at 8th level you can also choose from magical creatures for mounts.

You also still get your Tactician/Teamwork feat abilities from original cavalier. Basically, its a straight upgrade that now allows you to be useful for more than just charge-spamming.

>> No.54135250

>>54135207
Shit that's great. Why isn't it more popular? Most people only ever talk about UC fighter. I actively hear people shitting on UC cavalier a lot of the time.

>> No.54135281

>>54134939
We should be asking the tough questions, like preferences in men/women and who they would have the most fun with.

>> No.54135293

>>54135250
Because no one wants to be the Bard. Also, because you don't get much support at all in terms of actual combat feats and abilities (most of your stuff is usualy save, utility, or buffing based) so its not really much of a martial as the fighter is.

Also because, like it or not, DHB has become a meme, and people automatically get turned off by the prospect of using hsi stuff on principle, for fear of being associated with his autism

>> No.54135305

>>54134949
Thanks anon. I think I'll just steal the idea from the second darkness ap and pull an Earth fall sized asteroid down on the city. Orbital bombardment really is the answer.

>> No.54135351

>>54135305
Just be mindful that, even though the city may be destroyed, people can and will teleport out of the way of the city for safety. That's how the Fetchlings came to be afterall.

Also, cleric may probably start to pray to their gods for help, and next thing you know you have some powerful magical demigod coming in, stabbing his weird penis spear in your asteroid, and freezing it in stasis just above the city.

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How would you build it as a BBEG?
> Her complete and utter indifference to the world, her disbelief is so strong that it forces it's way into reality and makes itself true. At the disbelieve of the Unbeliever, things vanish, having never existed. Nothing has been able to harm her because she doesn't believe anything can. The material world is like paper to her, and she rips it apart as she walks through it.

>> No.54135420

>>54135388
Well, you kind of already described how she could work as a BBEG; she's less an enemy and more a force of nature, something you need to work out how to subdue than simply defeat.

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My flgs is doing an undead massacre game. Suppose to be a mix of survival and horror as we take on haunts, ghosts and other undead.

What is the best way to do this if I am leaning inquisitor or alchemist? Or should I just go cleric/oracle/paladin?

>> No.54135450

Realistically the reason I don't acre about DHB's stuff is because of autists that don't shut up about it, ever.

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>>54134929
Use one of the archer-type Rangers or Fighters from the NPC Codex, or look at the orcs from the Villain Codex.

Pic semi related.

You can also look at the Skirmisher and Horse Lord (Rangers), the Sniper (Rogue), and the Archer (Fighter) from the APG.

>> No.54135498

>>54135486
>the face of the girl know she about to get GREEN'd

>> No.54135510

>>54135440
She has tiny feet.

>> No.54135525

>>54135486
I miss the days when Gold used to mean something.

>> No.54135538
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>Brawler is really cool and is way less of a pain to justify than Monk
>It gets jack shit support and feels turbo-shafted on archetypes and options compared to the Monk
>UMonk, mechanically, blows Brawler the fuck out of the water in terms of what cool shit it can do (flying kick lmao)
>The coolest thing the Brawler has gotten is the weapon group loophope that was likely unintentional

Slayer, were we born just to suffer?

>> No.54135555

>>54135510
She's also terrifying Satan by showing him her vagina, a symbol of fertility and life-bearing that is said to disgust the ruinous forces as they are incapable and in fact antithetical to life.

Demons cannot create life, they can only pervert it. This is why succubuses would consume a man's semen, turn into or transfer it to an incubus, who would then impregnate a woman.

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>>54130407
>elves are no longer a chotic society but a lawful one
>because sex
Nah, I'll stick with elven society being baseline chaotic in nature.

>> No.54135639

>>54135620
>Sao art

Off yourself

>> No.54135645

>>54135620
They can be chaotic while being loyal and faithful waifus, anon.
Don't listen to JJ shit.

>> No.54135658

>>54135620
Chaotic does not mean they're incapable of forming long-term relationships.

>> No.54135660

>>54135420
I was thinking more mechanically how would she work. Opposed test of wills to deal ability damage, gaze attack alla orb of anialiation, or something similar in the besteriays i havent come across.

>> No.54135663

>>54135538
Welcome to being a Hybrid class. Paizo has a policy of never keeping up with the cool ideas

>> No.54135667

>>54135620
Chaotic doesn't mean slut, anon.

>> No.54135687

>>54135667
Yeah, low Wisdom means slut.

>> No.54135740

>>54135645
>>54135658
Lawful societies are awful and like mom and dad, are you a mom and dad?

>> No.54135745

>>54135293
I want to carry his children

>> No.54135749

>>54135740
Hi JJ.

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>>54135525
We don't know how long Imrjika's buying her for, or if she'll survive the experience.

Nine gold is fair.

>> No.54135785

>>54135538
Slayer, Brawler, and Bloodrager need to find a new system that respects them.

>> No.54135789

>Tuvarkz has banned Androids as a race for WotR
>When their homeland is right next door

>> No.54135803

>>54135667
>>54135658
>>54135645
Chaos is trash. You vermin don't even understand love.

>> No.54135807

>>54135789
>Banned
>androids

Why? What the fuck? They're not even a good race

Is he fucking actually retarded.

>> No.54135821

>>54135660
Your friends won't love you more for making a frivolous, unbearable villain. I strongly encourage you to temper your enthusiasm and make something weaker.

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>>54135620

How about super-lawful but so obscure and intricate that the rest of the mortals see it as capricious and chaotic? Also lots of practise at bending the law and finding loopholes.They have a fair folk legacy after all.

>> No.54135865

>>54135803
Chaos and Law are both the wrong answer. Neutral master race.

>> No.54135872

How many crimes are punished by execution in your setting? What about amputation? What about humiliation?

>> No.54135880

>>54135663
>>54135785
>"Brawlers are maneuverable"
>no speed bonus
>have to take either outslug style (5~ feats for 10-ft steps) or Pummeling style (unarmed-only chargepounces) to actually be mobile
>have shitty accuracy on account of flurrying basically the same as a core monk
>martial flexibility has been whored out to everyone, up to and including fucking FULLCASTERS (Oracle)

>> No.54135884

>>54123076
Not a trait but cornugon smash + signature skill (intimidate) is hilarious. Every time you power attack someone you get a free intimidate check to demoralize and make them frightened/panicked/cowering.

>> No.54135885

>>54135822
No, they have a space legacy

>> No.54135891

>>54135822
That still evens out to being Chaotic. If your rules are unclear, arbitrary, and spotty enough to be corrupt, you are not Lawful.

If your code of conduct is strong enough to appear immutable and you treat it as such rather than actively trying to get around it, then you are Lawful. What you're describing is more like Chaotic Neutral or True Neutral.

>> No.54135917

>>54135880
No lie, Contender Brawler is pretty rad though

>> No.54135935

hmm. I'm fucking with pfs again to vent my rage at paizo, and I'm trying to find the way to cheese crossbows as much as possible. should I bother getting dex to damage from bolt ace, or is it better to just have an agile crossbow, and focus on getting as many ranged feats as possible

>> No.54135953

>>54135935
>Agile crossbow

that doesn't work, namely because crossbows aren't Melee Weapons, but also because they don't add ANY stat to damage normally

>> No.54135955

>>54135917
>Contender Brawler
??????
wuzzit frum

>> No.54135971

>>54135917
Now that's just cheating anon, because PoW can manage to make anything at least passably radical. Unless the initiating archetype pigeonholes you super hard, in which case it's fucking stupid. LOOKING AT YOU, NIGHT TERROR.

>> No.54135973

>>54135953
nuts, should have remembered to check that

>> No.54135999
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My character was interrogating a prisoner.

My character had a blade near the prisoner's neck. My character was also maintaining readied actions to knock out the prisoner, should the prisoner take any hostile actions.

After my character delivered a sanction that amounted to "Talk, or I maim your face," the prisoner threw their neck onto the blade to kill themselves.

The GM ruled that this was like a coup de grace (which normally provokes attacks of opportunity), except that it was not a coup de grace, so the prisoner did not provoke an attack of opportunity, which my character could have used to knock out the prisoner.

The GM ruled that this was not a hostile action, so my character's readied action to knock out the prisoner was invalid.

The GM also ruled that no Reflex saving throw or initiative check was possible to prevent this.

Was the GM in the right?

>> No.54136058

>>54135955
Path of War initiating brawler archetype.


>>54135971
Exposed Vigilante with Night Terror entering into Landsknecht does allow for 2.0x strength to damage when wielding a weapon in one hand. It's pretty rad. But that's the only niche it has. If you have good stats you could probably cheese lethal grace too and get more damage or something

>> No.54136064

>>54135999
I'd have given you a reflex save on that one, but the rest seems fair enough.

>> No.54136109

>>54135999
Unless the blade was explicitly extremely sharp, nope. You weren't probably holding much actual force on the wrist to keep the blade in place, which means that it'd have been more likely for the blade to be pushed away with your wrist and a small cut on the prisoner's neck. If the blade was held in place by a sturdier structure (like a wooden bar or something), then yes.

>> No.54136112

>>54135999
Your DM sounds like a faggot.

>> No.54136113

>>54135999
Was the prisoner restrained? How? If he wasn't restrained, then why the hell where you trying to interrogate him without taking care of that first?

I'd be hesitant to say that he was WRONG - you certainly wouldn't expect someone to try and kill themselves like that, so treating it as a surprise seems appropriate - but I'd say it's kind of a dick move anyway if it came completely out of the blue with no hints that the prisoner would rather kill themselves than be captured. If there WERE hints, then holding a blade to their neck without sufficiently restraining them first was kind of stupid of you.

I'm hesitant to make a judgment here without hearing both sides of the story, or at least more details.

>> No.54136116

>>54135999
>Was the GM in the right?
No, I would say your GM was being shit.

I would have had the guy bite out his tongue and laughed as he bled to death in front of you.

>> No.54136144

>>54135999
If your DM didn't want the prisoner interogated he should have either given him a poison pill or had him killed at a distance by way of handwaving magic.

>> No.54136171

>>54136116
Much simpler, accomplishes the same thing, mocks the player more somehow while being less frustrating...

Yeah, altogether a better choice, both narratively and in a meta way.

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>>54135999
Not sure.

I wouldn't have done it like that, because readied actions and CDGs only take place during combat.

For interrogation, it should have been Diplomacy or Intimidate checks.

>> No.54136209

>>54136144
>had him killed at a distance by way of handwaving magic
This sounds like an awesome piece of dramatic storytelling. Start him off with the classic "You don't understand, I'm already dead" shtick, then have him break after a while and just as he's about to spill the beans he just stops and falls to the ground dead. Any attempts to use speak with dead or resuscitation magic fails and provides a nice foreboding hint at the big bad's true power.

>> No.54136255

>>54136209
What if the magic just makes his head explode?

You can always refuse resurrection magic, and you can't speak with a corpse that's had its vocal cords mangled to that point. An entire lack of a mouth counts as "not capable of communication"

Another, perhaps more costly option is "Contingency + Memory Modification"

>> No.54136270

>>54136255
Or he just gets plane shifted to the Rape Dimension by the villain

>> No.54136337

>>54136270
It's magic, we have plenty of options. I think the biggest question is "what's the most cost-effective response?" since logistics would start to come into play with henchmen and the like.

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>>54136109

The blade was charged with energy due to magic and such, so that part, I could have seen working.

>>54136113

The prisoner was tied up, manacled, and fettered. The prisoner was uncooperative, but there was no line from them to the effect of "I would rather die than..." or something similar.

My character tried again with the next prisoner(s), which actually did work. This means that the first prisoner killed themselves to make some sort of point which I do not understand.

>>54136116

Biting their tongue would have been useless due to the fact that healing such a thing would have been trivial.

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>can't wait for Starfinder so I can run a Starbound campaign

How would you stat the races in Starbound, /pfg/?

>> No.54136499

>>54136410
Go back to starfinder general, space scum

I haven't played starbound

>> No.54136654

>>54136270
Getting sent to PLD is hardly a death sentence anon

>> No.54136713

New thread

>>54136711
>>54136711
>>54136711
>>54136711
>>54136711

>> No.54136990

>>54135440
Alchemists can make healing bombs, which harm undead.

>> No.54137006

>>54135440
Alchemist force bombs and healing bombs. Just make sure you have CLW and Brew Potion.

>> No.54137051

>>54135803
You can't put chains on love and still call it love anon.

>> No.54137137

>>54136209
>>54136255
There is a mesmerist trick that literally does this. You possess them, then electrocute their brain at any time you desire.

>> No.54137512

>>54132544
It's a 3.5e gish with a progression not found in pathfinder, that should have been used in place of delayed 4casting.

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>>54135821
She isn't a villian players will have to fight. She was the cataclysm that nearly destroyed the world. The PCs will be starting in the aftermath of her destruction. Maybe a couple hundred years down the line after the gods and mages have gotten what was left of the material plane, that she didn't unbelieve, stitched back together, with only a few gaps where reality doesn't function normally.

Understanding how she works helps me see what is needed to stop her and makes for a richer backstory. The monk has a strong sense of himself and can resist being summarily disbelieved. The fighter blinded and deafened himself while kitted out for fighting Gorgons. Tower mirror shield, mirrored armor and receiving telepathic instructions from the invisible flying wizard who couldn't make any of her spells stick. And of course the bard who sang the world back into existence, forcing the ideas of people and legends and death into the unbeliever's head.
The legendary heros go about reestablishing civilization. The fighter is spurned by the bard, let's politicians run his city why he sulks with the wizard who had been crushing on him. The monk finds a hole in reality and makes a secret city where time doesn't pass and trains up an army of monks and clerics to handle things the next time shit goes sideways. All relevant and long reaching ramafications the PCs will have to deal with.

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