[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / g / ic / jp / lit / sci / tg / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports / report a bug ] [ 4plebs / archived.moe / rbt ]

/vt/ is now archived.Become a Patron!

/tg/ - Traditional Games

View post   

[ Toggle deleted replies ]
>> No.53494273
File: 83 KB, 842x725, 1412564274126.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

First for the Guard

>> No.53494274

my dudes > your dudes

>> No.53494313

Do we have rules for Ahriman, Magnus and Exalted Sorcerers? Or Tzeentch Discipline?

>> No.53494314

im in ur baes
killing ur d00ds

>> No.53494320

Could this mean that there are Flesh Tearers chapter tactics different from the Blood Angels ones?

>> No.53494322

If regular plasma only gets hot when overcharged, then Equivalent Points of Plasma Guardsmen >>>> Everything

Also, character combat is now defined by who charges first.

>> No.53494323

Penitent Engine: 6power for 1, 18 for 3
M7" WS3 S5 T6 W7 A4 Ld8 4+

Make PE great again!

Repentias are still shit thou. Even worst than before.

>> No.53494324

Where the fuck is last thread OP

>> No.53494326

Tyranids are back again

You will get drowned in Carnifexes, Trygons and Genestealers

>> No.53494330

but i play alpha legion. my dudes are your dudes, you just dont know it yet

>> No.53494337

Last thread suggested the trukk leak was fake; anyone got sauce? ItalianFag can back us up?

>> No.53494343

For Magnus yes, search for it in the previous thread
No for the others

>> No.53494349
File: 385 KB, 556x1360, 1493398625725.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>any dudes in all the galaxy better than the front liners of the Greater Good

>> No.53494351

Anyone compiling all these in a text document?

>> No.53494352

This guy
These leaks

>> No.53494353

Scatter lasers are 36" Heavy 4 Ap0

Inquisition and Grey Knights:
Inquisitors can enter any Imperial vehicle and give bubble buffs to Imperium keyword units, depending on the Ordo chosen
Grey Knights know a nerfed verison of Smite, 12" 1 mortal wound (3 if Daemon keyword)

Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll aD6for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.
Living metal allows for automatically regaining lost wounds
Basic Gauss is 24" Rapid Fire **Ap-2**, Gauss Cannon isAp-3 DmgD3
Discipline 10
Warriors cost unchanged form 7th.
Monolith M6" W20 S8 T8 Save3+, Gauss Flux Arc Heavy 3 S5Ap-2, Whip Heavy 6 S8Ap-2 DmgD6. When it gets charged, roll on aD6and if 4+ (or worse, depending on wounds lost) charging unit getsD6mortal wounds.

Space Marines:
Grav is S5Ap-3 and does DmgD3 if Save is 3+ or better
Nartecium no longer providesFnPbut heals a model for D3 wounds

Markerlights are cumulative per phase and provide different bonuses, depending on how many hit the unit. Basic is reroll 1s, then you have remove cover bonus, increaseBS, use Seeker/Destroyer Missiles (normally snapshooting)
Railguns have a chance to do Mortal Wounds
Activating Nova Reactor may result in Mortal Wound
Firesight Marksmen are Independent Characters
Pulse rifles are AP0. Pulse BlastersAP-1 at 10" andAP-2 at 5", Assault 2.
Ghostkeels and Stealth Suits give a -1 malus toBSif shot at from more than 12", can deploy outside of deployment zone at 12".
Broadside Railgun is Heavy 2 S8Ap-4 DmgD6,HYMPis Heavy 4 S7Ap-1 DmgD3
Pathfinders and Kroots are faster than Fire Warriors

>> No.53494355


But my dudes are bugs

>> No.53494358
File: 223 KB, 400x322, 1494368978784.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

So this is the power of a Kellydex... woah

>> No.53494359

And 95pts a piece. Unless they get since useful upgrade, they kinda suck.

>> No.53494360

B-but Guilliman told me they were now a meme faction. Which he totally has lots of experience fighting against.

>> No.53494367

Let's say (theoretically) 8th is a bit of a mess on launch and takes a while to get going like Sigmar did. Or maybe I decide I like 7th better and want to play 30k since it keeps the old rules.

If I start a new army, what could I possibly play across both (maybe with some magnets for weapon choices). Fallen? Knights? Did any knight houses stay pretty much the same from heresy to present?

>> No.53494372

most useful post of last thread, leak compilation
>wtf I love tripfags now

>> No.53494373

Ha! Then your dudes are a bunch of faggots!

>> No.53494376


M 7" /WS2+ /BS2+ / S 5 / T 5 / W 5 / S 2+
His sword is S X2 / -3VP/ D3 Wounds
Ignores Wounds and mortal wounds on a 5+
Casts/Dispels (with an added +1 bonus) 2 powers and knows 3 Powers fromBAdiscipline


M 8" /WS4+ /BS4+ / S 7 / T 8 / W 14 / S 3+

Creates a unit of 10 barebone termagants or can add up to 10 dead barebone termagants to an unit (not over the unit size at the start of the game)

>> No.53494386

Demons are coming to 30k soon. And demons are the universal army.

>> No.53494387

Demolisher is even worse than the battlecannon, d3 shots against units smaller than 5 models, d6 against 5+. S10 with I think Ap-4. Less shots mean even less potential wounds.

>> No.53494394

I really want to see the rules for Markerlights in more detail. That's gonna be what makes or breaks Tau.

>> No.53494397

It's not from the italian forum. The italian leaker just posted the Battlewagon stats.

>> No.53494399

They always sucked.

>> No.53494410
File: 109 KB, 720x960, blood angels 04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53494420

those informations were already confirmed last thread

>> No.53494433

>Firesight Marksman are Independent Characters
Nice, perfect time for some conversions. Hope breachers arent bound to the firewarrior movement speed, they need to be able to close that gap

>> No.53494443
File: 111 KB, 700x805, not imperial guard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Question time
>How many new players have you pull into the hobby?
>Who they were for you?
>How have you managed to talk them into 40k?
>Which faction have they picked as their first one?
>Are they still playing?

>> No.53494444

We are already "everyone has FnP" tier.

>> No.53494452


BA are the only chapter that can jump pack assault in normal missions? GW why?

>> No.53494453

Remember you can advance and fire assault weapons now. Even if fire warriors are move 5" or something, you can advance for that extra few inches and potentially use markerlights to make up for hitting on 5s

>> No.53494466

>gee space marines, how comes mom lets you have two faction focuses?

>> No.53494473

By that logic, Blood angels are also the only chapter to get ATSKNF

>> No.53494481

Can't wait for new PRIMARIS Dante to headline the new BA book.

>> No.53494483

where is that from?

>> No.53494489

I'm torn between starting Primaris BA or just regular Vanilla Marines. I'm afraid GW will say Cawl wiped out geneseed flaws, making BA, SW, etc, play like Vanilla marines. Any suggestions?

>> No.53494493

>Jump pack assault
I assume that's just snowflake deep strike

>> No.53494497


>> No.53494500

the sons of Sangui haven`t fear

>> No.53494501


>> No.53494508


The new Index?

>> No.53494510

1) one to the game and another to the lore
2)they are the kids i guard
3) fucking space marines i swear to god
4) dunno

>> No.53494525

Q: How can you tell which company a Dark Angel belongs to?

A: You can't because they all have dirty knees

>> No.53494529

We have already seen that they don't play the same way. They are also different section in the "codex" and all of them have exclusive kits, which means rules for them

>> No.53494531

Trygon? Shrikes? Ravenors?

>> No.53494536

M7" S5 T4 W2 A3 4+
ignore wounds on 5+
if killed can still attack before being removed
can advance and charge and reroll charge
Bikes, infantry and cavalry gain +1 attacks and reroll charge if within 6" from Wulfen. 12" for blood claws.

Frost claws S+1 Ap-2 1 damage.

Great Frost Axe Sx2 Ap-3 Damage 3 +1 attack if charging.

Lightning claws S User Ap-2 1 damage, but +1 attacks if 2 of them.

>> No.53494540

>T7 W18 4++
>S16 Ap -4 3 damage in melee

Geez. Wonder is his TSon buff applies to him as well.

>> No.53494560

Has it been nerfed?


>M12" BS4+ S6 T7 W14 2+ 5++
Nova reactor gives moral wounds
can put wounds on drones

>Heavy 8 S6 Ap-1 damage 1

>72" heavy 3 S7 AP -3 damage 1

>can overwatch if within 6" from a charged unit (generic Tau rule)

>> No.53494561

not our fault your mom likes in dirty in the mud like the pig she is ;^)

>> No.53494563

>Monolith M6" W20 S8 T8 Save3+, Gauss Flux Arc Heavy 3 S5Ap-2, Whip Heavy 6 S8Ap-2 DmgD6. When it gets charged, roll on aD6and if 4+ (or worse, depending on wounds lost) charging unit getsD6mortal wounds.

Enough to make Monoliths good again?

>> No.53494573

Anthem of this thread


>> No.53494574

No patience. Literally none. I'm a grown man with a wallet and very little self control.

>> No.53494576

>7 friends in 6 years
>Friends from uni, girlfriend
>4 Spess Mehreens (UM, BA, DW and SW), 1 Orks, 1 CSM, 1 DE + Harlequins
>3 do in plastic, the rest sold out and play on TTS

>> No.53494577


>How many

Hundreds - I worked for GW for 9 years.

>Who were they

People who walked into my store. Current gamers friends, family, etc.

>How did I convince them

I ran a really fun demo game and then found out what they liked and tried to match up aspects of the hobby with that.

>Which faction

I don't think there is one faction that I never saw picked. Obviously stuff like SoB was way less common, I think out of the major supported ranges I least often saw Tyranids as their first pick.

>Are they still playing - some are, some aren't.

>> No.53494583

Go on fb: story.php?story_fbid=1953057281580462&id=100006286268244

>> No.53494593

Eldar will be interesting

We've lost a ton of survivability with the battle focus change because we can't dash in and out of LoS anymore, but on the other hand it seems like every squad is getting crazy special rules to make up for how squish we are now.

>> No.53494606

>Has it been nerfed?
Unlikely. Got to wait too we see a price tag

>> No.53494616

5 people
3 online friends, one who got me into it then stoped and i got him back in, one friend i hang out with alot.
online friends were getting sick of vidja so i said why not miniatures, close friend we were hanging out and i needed to bring my paints out of my car and we started talking about it, friend who used to play got re interested seeing me at LGS on facebook
2 picked tau, 1 necrons, 1 marines, 1 chaos

>> No.53494622



>> No.53494628

Are you sure about the claws?

The Lighting Claws, gli Artigli Fulmine, are now S:User, Ap-2 1 Damage
The Frost Claws, gli Artigli del Gelo, were AP2, but now have the same AP as the generic Lighting Claws
And what about the Wolf Claws, gli Artigli del Lupo, that were the ones that were actually Lightining Claws +1S?

>> No.53494636
File: 79 KB, 800x600, 1496025553996.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53494653

he better have something defensewise to make him not super squishy

>> No.53494660


how the fuck do you access that ?

>> No.53494662

see >>53494372
if it's not in there we don't have it and there's no point in asking, the Italianfag just translates it as it goes

>> No.53494664
File: 118 KB, 553x552, Tanque_Leman_Russ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Has anybody posted anything about Astra Miliatrum (Imperial Guard) yet?

If nothing else I'd really like the FULL stats of a Leman Russ.

>> No.53494667


>> No.53494676

repost here pls

>> No.53494688


>> No.53494698

I wonder if dakafexes are still going to be good. My guess for devourers are assualt 3 s6 ap0 (possibly -1). So TL would be 6 and two TL would still be 12.

>> No.53494701


You do realize he is just translating from another forum right?

>> No.53494703

So drop pod armies are no more a thing?

>> No.53494705

I don't understand. Why version 40.000? Just call it 40, those zeroes are pointless

>> No.53494708

Compiled last thread translations into a single file. Didn't sort it out.

>> No.53494714

likely filtered by the spam bot but type
Facebook com/story.php?story_fbid=1953057281580462&id=100006286268244

>> No.53494717
File: 87 KB, 960x720, FB_IMG_1496079013572.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53494723

It's missing all the Ork leaks, i.e. trukks/battlewagons.

>> No.53494725

I confirmed that it's been leaked that way. Frost claws being Ap-2. But the guy could have made a mistake.

>> No.53494742
File: 79 KB, 960x720, FB_IMG_1496079018380.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53494755

Thanks for that, anon

>> No.53494763
File: 78 KB, 960x720, FB_IMG_1496079020497.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53494772
File: 658 KB, 619x762, 1493571924184.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53494773

You do realize he has access to the forum so he can kindly ask right?
You do realize I do not need to give him specific instructions?
You do realize you are a fucking faggot?

>> No.53494776

Make Immolators great again!
Oh wait they where already great.

>> No.53494778
File: 75 KB, 720x960, FB_IMG_1496079024940.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53494779

Orks you'd be able to play across 30k and 40k I believe.

>> No.53494791

I used this post: >>53494150 and nothing else.

>> No.53494794

>Autocannon S7 AP-1 D2
>Assault cannon S8 AP-1 D1

Who the fuck would sacrifice 2/3rds of your dice for +1 strength and +1 damage? What could you possibly need that +1 strength for in this edition? And who gives a fuck about +1 damage when you can roll 3x as many dice?

Did these cunts even read their own rules before writing this shit?

>> No.53494795
File: 485 KB, 690x638, 1493765885482.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53494799
File: 70 KB, 720x960, FB_IMG_1496079022747.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53494809
File: 641 KB, 666x936, 1472740649424.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53494823

>20 points for a power fist

>> No.53494824

Any leaks for the Legion of the Damned section of the index?

>> No.53494825

No rules for any Xenos in 30k.

>> No.53494829
File: 76 KB, 720x960, FB_IMG_1496079033221.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53494833
File: 1.30 MB, 794x514, Maleceptor.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Leak anon could you please post Maleceptor stats? I desperately need to know if they made this piece of garbage useful.

>> No.53494841

>terminator ancient

>> No.53494845
File: 31 KB, 318x308, 1476155542782.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

> Lighting Claw
> Re-roll wound
> +1 atk

>> No.53494846

Because Space Marines make money. People that don't even know what 40k is can spot a Space Marine, they'd never recognize a Necron or Genestealer Cultist.

>> No.53494847

Sorry Guys, the leaker said he has to go home and he can't take the Indexes with him. So no more leaks for today.

>> No.53494857

Could you always give a Teckmarine a Jump pack, man I was missing out if so

>> No.53494858
File: 80 KB, 720x960, FB_IMG_1496079045487.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53494864

Combo and power weapons ended up a lot cheaper than I expected. Generally looks like point hikes for ranged and decreases for melee

>> No.53494867

>Flash Gitz aren't random anymore
I literally bought 10 of them because I love the models and enjoyed playing Skaven and having stuff working one turn and being absolute shit for the rest of the game.
Oh well, there's still the Shokk gun
Oh well

>> No.53494892

You can always use obliterators if you need some randomness in your life anon

>> No.53494895
File: 64 KB, 720x960, FB_IMG_1496079053693.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53494902

Assault cannons have always been better than Autocannon.

>> No.53494909

You can't deep strike (most) of an army anymore, but as long as 50% of your models are on the table at the start of the game, you can deep strike the rest.

>> No.53494910

No, they were limited to bikes before

>> No.53494922

Wow, thank you!
So we don't know yet whether this is a new terminator mark or not...

>> No.53494924

7e death company are the same price as Death company with jump pack in 8e

>> No.53494947
File: 74 KB, 720x960, FB_IMG_1496079035198.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53494949
File: 569 KB, 681x1023, cdd3f907d680b812fa06bb70d98428c7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Based on leaks, how are Tau and Nids doing in 8e for now?

>> No.53494950

It isn't, it's just a standard carrier in terminator armour. A dude with a flag is called an ancient for space marines.

>> No.53494952

Nobody gives a shit about the Autistic's Pick™ army

>> No.53494959
File: 464 KB, 600x409, 3e1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>plasma pistols don't all have gets hot now
>they can also run an upgraded version that does more damage but has gets hot
That's actually pretty nifty.

>> No.53494960

did you factor in the range?

>> No.53494966

Well that's fuckin boring.
30k is shit unless you're a Space Marine fanboy.

>> No.53494967
File: 1.55 MB, 2480x1748, 1496071473010.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

I'll post this here incase someone wants it.

>> No.53494968

Depends a lot on points and the specific rules for markerlights.

>> No.53494970

Stormbolters are RF2?
What are Combibolters then?

>> No.53494972

Against models with 2 wounds it actually make a difference. Because of new wound allocation, when suffering only a single wound you can spread it around the entire squad. Having a 2 damage attack nips that in the bud.

>> No.53494976

excuse me where are sisters new models?

>> No.53494977

>everything costs less points
Scale creep continues. Pretty soon a 1500 point game will look like Epic.

>> No.53494980

Bruv it's not an upgrade, it's a firing option. You can choose if you want to kill yourself or not.

>> No.53494983

No longer able to just sit there and kill everything with overwatch. They need to fall back, and then kill everything with overwatch. The only change is your firewarriors might have to backpedal once or twice per game.

Unstoppable killing machines... if their codex is good. The Swarm will fucking Devour.

>> No.53494987

Yeah ok, but what I mean is the ancient in the starter set is an enchanced veteran using primaris armor

>> No.53494990

Carnifex spam is back

>> No.53494991

Its two profiles on the same gun. You choose each time you fire

>> No.53494997

Ahahahahaha, Thunderfire Cannons nerfed all to hell! On average it kills 2.96 termagants if they're not in cover!

>> No.53494998

Predator Autocannon
Heavy 2d3 damage 3 autocannon

Holy shit!

>> No.53494999

Much appreciated

>> No.53495002

It doesn't have that " Primaris " keyword.

>> No.53495011

Artillary-focused guard makes a very effective ally for Space Marines. 2 basilisks and a russ make outstanding support.

>> No.53495019

>Everything costs less points
>Models start off cheaper and have to pay points for standard upgrades. Ranged weapons in general are more expensive across the board


>> No.53495022


>> No.53495034


>> No.53495035

Respectfully request Crusader Squad information.. please!!!

>> No.53495036

That blood talons man, holy shit.

>> No.53495042

Good point. I wonder if new terminators are slated for release yet.

>> No.53495045

Don't stop now anon, We need to know the other BA, the SW and the DA

>> No.53495046

Disappointed at the lack of power lances, I know they weren't popular but this is the edition that could've brought them back.

>> No.53495050

Did you fill in the holes?
Wow, anon, you're one of the heroes of this thread, with the italianfag and the BAfag.
this thread has been so shit for so long, how come we got so many heroes today?

>> No.53495054

battle cannon is shit and tyranid warriors will be laughing while they walk through several blasts.
exterminator autocannon better in everyway

>> No.53495055

They honestly look fun as fuck now. I'm kinda jelly, really wanted the FG to play like that.

>> No.53495059

FB leaker hit me with some ork stuff cmon I need it. Trukk stats PLS.

>> No.53495063

They're still around, what are you smoking?

>> No.53495064


Uhh yeah, the whole point of 30k (which isn't really 30k) is to play out the Horus Heresy.

>> No.53495072
File: 23 KB, 439x375, nope.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53495073

no, you're still supposed to allocate wounds to guys already wounded first

>> No.53495076

Dear anon, Gibe chapter tactics (if any) for Codex chapters!

>> No.53495090
File: 133 KB, 800x800, 1493269581372.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53495105

Chapter Tactics and Black Templars Crusader Squad please

>> No.53495106

No black rage...interesting

>> No.53495109

Admittedly, an extra 24" of range is okay. But you should be getting in people's faces anyway. That little extra range may be useful occasionally, but being able to roll 3 times more dice is better in EVERY other situation.

>> No.53495110

I know they exist in the weapon profiles, but looking at the death company squad etc. they can't take them. So far has any leaked profile been able to? It's like they're in limbo.

>> No.53495118

Any news on Primaris Grey Knights?
Or anything new for the boys in silver?

>> No.53495122



>> No.53495125

Black rage is only for the Death Company stuff not normal BAngels

>> No.53495129

>everyone uses the cripples as meatshields

>> No.53495132

>A single Carnifex can kill a Riptide in one round of combat

>> No.53495134
File: 354 KB, 1800x1066, 1493128555197.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>no Tyranid leaks
>no GSC leaks


>> No.53495135

Most, if not all, the Blood Angels units and rules on "L'Astropate" on Facebook


>> No.53495138


I think the idea is the TL Autocannon sits on the other side of a ML and that dread hangs out in the back instead of playing aggressive. It gives a nice complimentary weapon to a support dread.

>> No.53495139

wouldnt bet on primaris Grey Knights, remeber how selective they are in the first place

>> No.53495142

Well, fuck. It isn't making the choice any easier. I don't even want a waacfag army - just something that is not auto-lose or one-list-army

>> No.53495143

isn't there some kind of BA USR?

>> No.53495148
File: 339 KB, 800x4600, always bet on duke.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53495153

In the cuckshed with their fans

>> No.53495155

I am really worried about Ahriman, to be honest. 99 point drop is some serious shit, one has to wonder how much have they nerfed him to accomplish that.

>> No.53495163

Every point spent on an autocannon is a point not spent on an assault cannon. And the man in me cannot accept that.

>> No.53495165

Nigger we just found out the Carnifex is half price

Red Thirst

>> No.53495168

There's been tyranid leaks you retarded roachfucker

>> No.53495174

>Repentia cost as much as death company

>> No.53495176


>> No.53495184

>How many new players have you pull into the hobby?
>Who they were for you?
close friends
>How have you managed to talk them into 40k?
one loved the assthedicks of necrons. The other had endless discussion that trpg based on 40k is ass, so i pulled him into wargaming
>Which faction have they picked as their first one?
Duh, necrons and dark angels
>Are they still playing?
Necron guy yeah, DA player paints, but never plays

>> No.53495187

Play Orks and stop caring altogether.

>> No.53495192
File: 245 KB, 366x559, kawaiixeno.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>no Tyranid leaks

>> No.53495195

Anyone got the profiles for Berzerkers?

>> No.53495207

blood angels leaked


>> No.53495209

You can stop falseflagging any time

>> No.53495210
File: 95 KB, 800x655, Kantor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53495220

Are model costs not counting weapons?

>> No.53495227

I need good news for Sororitas

please, I'm dying

I'll do anything

>> No.53495229

Me too, he costs as much as Tiggy now

>> No.53495233

That is hardly an argument since marines are shoved into everything.

How much is due to its own popularity and how much is due to them being shoved into everything is hard to tell.

>> No.53495237

seems so, although a lot of units have free weapons (like bolters and stuff)

>> No.53495238

Other factions still existed.
Humanity fighting daemons is the big thing in 40k right now but stuff like the war for armageddon wasnt just tossed out the window.

>> No.53495239

>Powerfist costs the same as a thunder hammer EXCEPT when a character uses it.

Is there any reason not to use a Hammer barring the hammer causing you to not be able to shoot?

>> No.53495244

you've still got the boxed game coming out the tail end of this year
hahahahahahahaha as if

>> No.53495252

die faster

>> No.53495253
File: 74 KB, 599x563, 1495983966869.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

I love you anon, full homo.

>> No.53495260

They're not squatted ! That's some good news, right ?

>> No.53495264

>No price cost for unnamed character options
I'm happy with the rest but DAMN am I salty about this.

>> No.53495288

Nah. I like the greenskinz aesthetic and fluff but Tau and Nids are top tier for me

>> No.53495296

Please, anyone heard anything about Crusader Squads or any of the Chapter Tactics?

>> No.53495298


>> No.53495304

Dude you're a pigfucker

>> No.53495306


Right - but the rules aren't actually called 30k. They're actually rules for playing the Horus Heresy. FW didn't write the rules so you can play games during that time, they wrote them specifically to replay and replicate battles from the Heresy. You're mad because the game system doesn't do something it was never designed to do.

>> No.53495307

Natfka leaked their entire fucking army you dumb faggot

>> No.53495312

Where can I read them?

>> No.53495313




>> No.53495314

>volkite charger
help somebody call forgeworld !

>> No.53495316
File: 77 KB, 300x225, 1495407144441.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>How many new players have you pull into the hobby?
Seventeen I can remember.
>Who they were for you?
8 close friends, 3 acquaintances, 2 girlfriends, 2 girlfriends of friends, 2 friends of friends.
>How have you managed to talk them into 40k?
All of my friends play 40k. We always have, since about 3rd ed, although I played Rogue. Being surrounded by us all the time inevitably leads to a choice: leave the room when we start to talk about 40k, and get into heated debates about whether Guilliman is actually Alpharius, or learn what the fuck we're talking about. From there it's easy. I sell a bunch of shit on ebay, it's half my income. 40k is a big part of our group and our lives, so it's hard to be a part of it without getting into 40k at some point.
>Which faction have they picked as their first one?
The vast majority of guys went for Space Marines. The vast majority of the girls went for Eldar.
>Are they still playing?
Close friends are all still playing bar 1, he died a few years ago though, so not blaming him. His fault for fucking up his FnP vs Cancer. 2 acquaintances moved out of the country, 1 still plays. Girlfriends come and go, but one of them still plays, despite us not being together. Girlfriends of friends are both still playing, surprisingly, they're both still with my friends though. Both friends of friends stopped playing, but we still know them. I helped them both sell their models when they didn't want them anymore.

>> No.53495324

Mmmmm looking forward to plasma sentinels. (Assuming heavy plasma cannons)

>> No.53495328

Any idea how Gauss will work in the new edition? Something like a damage bonus on 6s to wound?

>> No.53495331
File: 141 KB, 500x364, 1381539415453.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Hey, guys. Need to W40k and models and stuff. Ran into a problem building my first Chimera today.

The problem is I glued my hand to it and there's a lot of skin stuck to my turret now.

How can I get it off?

This Storm Bolter is a fucking BITCH to get on.

>> No.53495338

They can still all cast smite. That's D3 mortal wounds for each psyker at least.

>> No.53495348

How the fuck did you glue your hand to it enough to take a visible amount of skin off.

>> No.53495356
File: 37 KB, 640x359, IMG_1028.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>Chainsword, +1 attk
"Awesome, they gave it stats"
>Combat knife, +1 attk

>> No.53495358

never seen this image before thanks for giving me a proper fucking chuckle

>> No.53495359

file/sanding block m8, I know that feel

>> No.53495372

Step 1: Get your carer to handle the glue for you.
Step 2: See step 1.

>> No.53495377


Chainsword would have been better with -1 AP, and the Combat Knife can keep its extra attack.

>> No.53495388

>working for GW

>> No.53495390


and the tyranid faction focus

>> No.53495396

>Repentia nerfed into uselessness
>Retributors nerfed
>Dominions can't outflank
>no Multi-Melta listed for Retributors
>Priests and Jacobus can't buff Sororitas, they're BFFs with Imperial Guard now
>Only option available to buff Acts of Faith can't do so from a transport, or the turn it exits a transport
>Celestian Command Squad just straight up gone

I said good news, anon....

the shittacular formatting of that leak had me hoping it was unreliable/fake

>> No.53495400

The extra attack thing is literally just there in place of the +1 attack for 2 CC weapons rule. Chainsword or combat knife, it's there to let those bolt pisolt + 's weapon guys get the same number of swings

>> No.53495415

They have baby smite

>> No.53495420

Ap -2

>> No.53495421

Hush you Mantic sandbagger.

>> No.53495422


I don't still work for them at this point. However I did often post on /tg/ when I did - though they never paid me to do so.

>> No.53495423
File: 60 KB, 600x900, 1492327064342.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>SAG is boring and ass now
>Just finished mine

>> No.53495429

no many rules pages in big rulebook ;( more than 150 of fluff pages

>> No.53495430

Until now they were the same generic ccw, which could have lead players to equip their models with either in the same unit, so they were basically "forced" to make them the same otherwise people would have complained

Maybe next edition they'll be different

Or, at least, that's how I interpreted it

>> No.53495433

I didn't think it was possible to nerf repentias and retribution so much

Fucking squat the army if you hate it so much

>> No.53495434

I squeezed my tube too hard.
Thanks you.

>> No.53495435

Scions leak when. Need to know how my boys fared.

>> No.53495444
File: 51 KB, 800x800, 1482592211355.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>Ahriman 131 points in the new edition

Damn ... this probably means he's been nerfed into the ground ...

At least Rubric marines will be 18 points, way more reasonable than what they are now.

>> No.53495453

It's going to be more heavy/special weapon spam and cheap 9 point sister hordes.

>> No.53495456
File: 146 KB, 800x800, Thrillcrons.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]



Melting guardsmen, mowing through eldar, even cutting down marines

Good time to be a necron

>> No.53495463

rhino rules? What makes them worth 70pts?

>> No.53495465

Scions are part of the Imperial Guard. You can still play them seperately thanks to all the FOC there are, but they are no longer a standalone codex.

>> No.53495466
File: 12 KB, 198x328, 13566062_952329621580249_843063922_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>SAG has always been my favorite part of the Ork codex
>Have 3 Big Meks with SAGs
>One is custom converted on a bike

I know your pain anon

>> No.53495475

Hmm wierd, I don't see Death Company Chaplain anywhere.

>> No.53495476


It might only be available to certain units, who may already be expensive.

>> No.53495480
File: 353 KB, 1366x695, Space-Marines-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Two Different Calgar's listed? New plastic Calgar in Artificer armor? Sign me the fuck up.

>> No.53495485

>What makes them worth 70pts?
All the cheap transports have nearly doubled in cost.

>> No.53495486

>I didn't think it was possible to nerf repentias
GW found a way.
Try would have been meh, had they stayed there same, but they were made worse.

>> No.53495487


Ugh, why do they do this? Is it really going to unbalance it by just making it an even 130?

>> No.53495490

You really can't wait to feel like an Eldar, right?

>> No.53495491
File: 141 KB, 894x894, ironwithinbro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>Obliterators are lame as fuck now
>I play IW

I feel you, Greenskin

>> No.53495493

Calgar always had the option to be in termie or artificer

>> No.53495496

Have we had a Land Speeder datasheet yet?

>> No.53495502

Hopefully it is otherwise its a straight upgrade for units with the ability to take both.

>> No.53495505
File: 21 KB, 640x116, IMG_8295.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Looks like Volkite got rules in the index. Does this mean Volkite is going to get 40k rules or is it to just keep the HH models up to date

>> No.53495506

Rules were blurry as fuck why do they suck now?

>> No.53495510

They also have to buy gear.

>> No.53495523

but they aren`t. Maybe random so so, but not lame.

>> No.53495524

>what are tartaros

>> No.53495526

Huh, i'm retarded then. Does he not have a model that isn't in the termie armor then?

>> No.53495527

>First Faction
>Still playing?

>> No.53495528

He's favoured of tzeenthc, expect a... 39 point disc.

>> No.53495529

They arent that bad, chaosfags are overreacting.

>> No.53495530

It's going to be in even after you buy weapons anyway, and there's a chance they'll have to change it later.

Stop being autistic and insisting the game be balanced around multiples of 5

>> No.53495533
File: 79 KB, 640x853, 0oNVYig_d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53495539

Thunderhammer Sx2 Ap -3 D 3 -1 to hit 25pts


>> No.53495543

At best, they are a slightly worse lascannon, at worst they are a slightly better autocannon. Random stats fucks the much as it does everything else. Should give you a bond with Orks players.

>> No.53495548

>Techmarine can take a Jump Pack
>If he does he loses his Sevro-Arm

What is he going to do then

>> No.53495550


>> No.53495552

Is there any word on AdMech/Skitarii yet? I have a whole box of dudes I don't even want to open until I know what I should be building them into.

>> No.53495555

It feels like they went out of their way to make SoB bad.

When the 6ed codex looks good you know you have fuck up

>> No.53495563

Don't forget anons

They lost their Powerfists

>> No.53495565

Blast things with a Heavy Conversion beamer?

>> No.53495567

>At best, they are a slightly worse lascannon
>Assault 2

>> No.53495580
File: 30 KB, 650x271, Gaunts-ghosts.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

I heard a rumor that shit got rough for mechanized IG armies.

Any truth to this? I'm having trouble keeping up with the leaks.

>> No.53495582


>> No.53495591
File: 44 KB, 600x620, 848392.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

He has this

>> No.53495592

It feels like the only somewhat positive change was being able to use Acts of Faith multiple times, and even then you'll need a lot of those extra standard bearers to make it work for more than a small army.

>> No.53495602


>> No.53495603

I still want a pair of those pants. They look comfy as fuck.

>> No.53495604
File: 573 KB, 710x842, hood.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

I don't give a fuck if they are good in game (they probably aren't)

2 shots and then random everything is fucking shit-tier design

They have taken the one iconic trick CSM / Iron warriors / whatever always had and shat on it.

Would it have killed them to make up three firing profiles? one for 'flamer' one for high dakka and one for anti-tank?

This shit is an insult to Obliterators, fuck this man daemon engines better be well written

>> No.53495605

Transports are alot more expensive now because they have MC profiles.
so unless the chimera is somehow cheaper than the rhino expect carnifexes to be cheaper.

>> No.53495610

Also admech magos has volkite in 40k

>> No.53495611

The problem is 24" range with 4" movement. It's pathetic. Sure they are assault weapons but that just adds even more randomness.

chaos =/= randomness

Jesus. You'd think GW would know this by now.

Also, no more power fists.

I'm scared to think about what possessed and helbrutes will be like.

>> No.53495612


Mech vets got better.
Battle tank may have gotten worse.
Exterminator looks like the best variant.
I'm holding out for Executioner and the Punisher though.

>> No.53495613

Sternguard Bolters and Chaplains are missing

>> No.53495614

>Blood Angels still don't have access to Cataphractii or Tartaros termies

Thanks GW

>> No.53495619

Hahahaha you can keep it

>> No.53495621

d3, damage you need to hit with both to get the same average damage.

>> No.53495623


>> No.53495630

Special Issue Bolters AP -2

>> No.53495631

It's baffling why. With this being the keyword edition you think it would have been easy to stick them wherever

>> No.53495638


Hey at least you got another wound.

Oblits were the ugliest chaos models, bar none. Get used to change, fag

>> No.53495639

>The problem is 24" range with 4" movement. It's pathetic.



>> No.53495643

>Iron warriors players on suicide watch as always because now they can't do their autistic mathammer to play and can't accept that a heavily warped unit who literally shits weapon out of his frontal ass works randomly
Why is it always you guys

>> No.53495644

>Just to keep the H(orus)H(eresy) models up to date

Jesus did you even read the full thing

Im asking whether or not this means *more* models are getting them not *if* were were getting them

>> No.53495646

You need to buy a model that no one used... to maybe get to use your army theme more than once, with less random chance.

>> No.53495650


They're M4" but they can also deepstrike on turn one no scatter.

>> No.53495653

Transports give crazy good mobility now.
>unit within their M+4'' of transport
>advance within 3'' of transport, get in, transport gets to move
Lets assume M6 squad and M10 transport, that's 20'' movement for the squad in single movement phase.

>> No.53495654

Um, how much crap does BA army have that noone else gets? Cry me da Nile.

>> No.53495657


feelsbadman. I hope my deathwatch get cooler guns.

>> No.53495662


>> No.53495664
File: 34 KB, 600x549, Hang wire.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Holy fuck i didn't even notice the movement 4, i was so caught up on the awful gun

Ahaha fuck you GW, what a pile of garbage, they'll never learn. The csm faction focus was a total lie

Fucking bring on the possessed indeed, can't wait to see how trash they are once again

>> No.53495666

>"Special issue boltgun"
>Range 30'' Rapid Fire 1 Str 4 AP -2 Damage 1

I bet this is what Sternguard fire. Intercessors BTFO once more.

>> No.53495678

p-pls respond

>> No.53495680


> stormbolter rapid fire 2 instead of heavy 2

this will be excellent for GK considering by default they all have one.

>> No.53495687

Assault also means the Oblits can run and still fire. There's nothing about them not being allowed to Advance.

>> No.53495690

>Fucking bring on the possessed indeed, can't wait to see how trash they are once again
Considering in the page of the White Dwarf battle report we got teased a whole unit of Possessed died from Overwatch fire when charging a single Land speeder, probably still pretty trash.

>> No.53495694

That's literally the same as a Combi-bolter is now

>> No.53495699


How is it GW's fault that you're bad? Do you understand how the new Deepstrike special rules even work? You can literally deploy them on turn 1 half way up the field so they're already in range of almost the entire table.

>> No.53495702

Seth lives

>> No.53495703

It's great. Wtfv you talking about?

>> No.53495708

theres a compilation of leaks near the start of the thread.

>> No.53495709

What you fail to realize is that the appeal of the obliterator lies in its ability to manifest different weapons at will. Take that away and replace it with RNG and all of a sudden it's not as cool anymore, no matter how it plays out in the crunch.

>> No.53495710

>storm bolter stats confirmed
So they're literally exactly the same as combi bolters now? Lame.

>> No.53495714

their guns are assault 2 so they can run and shoot at the cost of -1 to hit

>> No.53495721

Will the Devilfish + Firewarrior with Carbines / Breachers combo be effective in 8th edition?

>> No.53495722


Th obliterators are clunky as fuck and a sign that Chaos will still be LOL RANDUMB.
New game, old shitty designers.

>> No.53495725

Yeah, should have at least been assault.

>> No.53495726

>army who's only long-ranged infantry was Heavy Bolter Retributors and everyone else needed to take the school bus to the front line to do anything with their flamers/meltaguns
>Imagifiers can't do their thing from within a transport OR the turn they exit a transport

the only use I can possibly think of is, on the MINISCULE chance vehicles can use Acts of Faith, parking 2 Imagifiers next to every Exorcist to get Exorcists that shoot twice per turn

>> No.53495737

>How many
Countless. Used to basically run a FLGS as their 40k specialist. I take care of the local 40k community as well. Good to have people to play with.

Random people. Many are now friends

By being honest about the game and the hobby, helping them find their own path and not telling them how to build and play

>Which faction
I've seen people start as marines, nids and much more. Practically everything.

>Still playing
At least 75% of them are still playing. We have a very good, friendly, non WAAC faggotry tier local group. Helps quite a bit.

>> No.53495739

w8 f8 8th m8

>> No.53495740

Chaos... um...

>> No.53495742


But you have a bare minimum statline that you know is still a solid gun. S7/AP-1/Damage 1 isn't a bad gun.

>> No.53495743

>2 shots and then random everything
In unit are 3 obli, each with 3 attack on 2 dice. Total 18 dices with possible STR 9, ap -3 and Dmg 3. This buddies are deadly, IMO

>> No.53495744

Random for random sake is never fun.

Why the fuck does GW not understand this. Everything is d6 and d3. Dice rolling a lot more now

>> No.53495750


But wait if you have pask you can swap your 3d3 for 1d6

>> No.53495754

is a big 40k book, not a big only rules book.

>> No.53495757

>Reaper Autocannon
I thought loyalists don't use those anymore

>> No.53495764

>Deepstrike turn one
>Anywhere you want outside of 9'' from enemy units
>No scatter
>Range 24'' more damaging autocannon or double-shot lascannon
>65 points per oblit

Man, the meme that all IW players are autistic as fuck really is true.

>> No.53495766

Personally I think the weapons are pretty fucking good. Cheap 2+ deep strike weapons squad that'll get legion rules and other shit? They'll be fine. Basically wounding on a 3+ to a 2+, save distribution the same, but D3 damage seems better than most are making it out to be generally.

>> No.53495767

Tartaros Termies

>> No.53495769

For you.

>> No.53495775

Looks like Jumpacks grant fly now?

I'm still reading blood angels leaks but it looks like the characters with them get fly.

>> No.53495778

And it's only a 3% chance to get that bare minimum statline. Most of the time you'll get something equivalent to a 2-shot plasma gun at full range, or a 2-shot battle cannon.

>> No.53495779
File: 24 KB, 800x482, 934832803.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>No Red Thirst

>> No.53495781

Its only on the Tartaros terminators. The assault focused ones that loyalists got but chaos didn't for some inane reason

>> No.53495782

They deep strike and can do it each movement turn.

>> No.53495784

Like GW doesn't understand how SoB work for the last 10 fucking years if not 20.

I've been using the same basic list for a decade now

>> No.53495785

Maybe. Strikers with rifles and devilfish to scoot them out when enemy closes will be a good. We'll see how much it will cost.

>> No.53495786


>> No.53495801

I was thinking of starting Iron Warriors this edition but fuck I don't want to be lumped in with the shit heads in this thread.

>> No.53495802

>d3 hits
>1-2 less hits than plasma
>3-4 same hits as plasma
>5-6 more hits than plasma
Woow,,,, so this is the power... of overpriced shit weapon

>> No.53495803

Do keep in mind that you can run and shoot with flamers now. Autohit means they don't give a fuck about the -1 to hit penalty.

>> No.53495811


>> No.53495819

Shouldn't EVERYTHING get leaked in the coming hours?

I mean, some shops already have the indexes and rulebook and there will be someone who uploads it

>> No.53495827


Could you dumb cunts learn to read please? the issue here is Oblits no longer have their classic 'Morph almost any weapon you want' ability. Not the actual effectiveness of the guns or unit

I don't care about the 9inch deploy (No shit they can deep strike, thanks like i can't see the text)

Whatever, when you favorite little ability gets gutted we'll see how you fags like it, or how badly you'll try to save face behind the disappointment

>> No.53495828


I'll take 12" of range for 300 Alex. Also - at most a plasma gun can hit 2 models.

>> No.53495832

Are you having a seizure?

>> No.53495836

They are past that point now, only black rage now.

>> No.53495838
File: 350 KB, 824x684, 7 lives.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]



>> No.53495842

that will probably be bloodangeles chapter tactics section

>> No.53495843

>parking 2 Imagifiers next to every Exorcist to get Exorcists that shoot twice per turn
At 80pts, you should probably just buy more exorcists.

I really hope the leaks are fake

>> No.53495844

Plasma only does 2 shots when within half range you retarded monkey. A plasma cannon does anywhere from 1 to 3 shots up to 36'' range.

>> No.53495845

>only information is that cult and skitarii share an AdMech keyword
>all of their buffs target the AdMech keyword rather than their individual keywords, making them de-facto the same faction
It's not much, but it's all I needed. Thanks anon.

>> No.53495846

It says S6?

>> No.53495847

Depends on leaker stamina.

>> No.53495848



>> No.53495851


Right so you're just being a titty baby who can't handle change. Got it. Fuck off.

>Oh no the rules changed for my favorite unit in an edition that is literally changing everything!

>> No.53495852

The random damage is pretty much just a 1 in 3 chance that you'll wound marines on a 3+ rather than a 2+. The most key thing against most targets is the random AP, but a range of -1 to -3 really just means you don't want to waste time shooting guardsmen.

I'd say they average out to being on par or better than Autocannons in most cases.

I do feel like they are a bit pricey for that though.

>> No.53495854

I don't see the new Dreadnought.
Does it mean it will come with a separate dataslate?

>> No.53495865

It will most likely be in the new SM codex.

>> No.53495867

It also has 36" range.

>25"-26" D3 more hits than plasma
>13"-24" minimum same number of hits as plasma, 2/3rds chance to do more
>1"-12" the stats you listed, where it still has a chance to do more shots


>> No.53495868

If you're more than 12" away, it's always equal if not better

>> No.53495869

Probably a 12" T8 16W walker with a boat load of powerful attacks and various heavy weapons prompted a little more cost in a game where it can't be exploded or immobilized on 70% of turn 1 shooting phases

>> No.53495875


I'm even more excited for the Executioner with plasma sponsons

>> No.53495877
File: 193 KB, 813x462, edre.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

175 pg of fluff maybe?

>> No.53495882


>> No.53495885

>twin assault cannon
hory shit

>> No.53495891

Even if they are real, the weird formatting and translation might mean there's something we're missing

>> No.53495892

Idgaf about my fav ability, the only reason I'm back in the 40k general is because finally the game is getting the AoS treatment and I can't wait to play 8th ed. I fucking hated 40k so I don't have a favorite anything

>> No.53495903

It feels fakes.

But then again GW is kind of retarded

>> No.53495908

Fucking good.

Suck my ass you WAACfaggot pod spammers.

>> No.53495912

About the Talons of the Emperor, is that largely the same stuff from Wrath of Magnus? Or does Wrath of Magnus have some box exclusive custodes and sisters of silence?

>> No.53495914

Finally. Drop pods have been undercosted for the alpha strike they provide for ages now.

Yes I play space marines myself.

>> No.53495918

Good 35 point drop pods were bullshit and made footslogging and Rhinos obsolete

>> No.53495921

Good. Drop pods were stupid undercosted normally

>> No.53495930

Yeah but they have legion rules and cult of destruction benefits additionally. Being 3 wounds now is also pretty nice given how durable they tend to be. I feel as though they'll at least earn their points back a majority of the time as a deep strike damage squad

>> No.53495931

You sir, have won the interwebs.

>> No.53495932
File: 103 KB, 688x740, 911.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Haha get fucked SM players

>> No.53495938


>> No.53495939
File: 462 KB, 1280x720, klxdtllwpsyy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

If that's the case I basically imagine this as the situation

>> No.53495941


I know. I hope they're good now or better than suicide squads.

>> No.53495943
File: 196 KB, 900x789, Imperial Agents - 1000pts.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


As a long time SoB vet, if http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/05/8th-ed-sisters-of-battle-revealed.html?m=1 is true, I think I'm hanging up my sisters because that is WORSE than the white dwarf Codex, which is something I never thought I'd see.

What's worse is that they're actually MORE EXPENSIVE now. Pic related is now 1154 pts with only 2 weapons in the command squad.

>> No.53495945
File: 154 KB, 624x644, 1389424055800.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>the look on space marines players faces when they realize they have to pay points for drop pods now just like us

>> No.53495948

I hope. As is, I night be proxying repentia as death cultists.

>> No.53495953

But ti has 5 doors to slam people with, of course it got a price hike.

>> No.53495961

This is not a justification for bad design.
Chaos would be better as change not RANDUMB.
They were supposed to make the old Possesed more like the old Oblits, not the other way around. Think about as an example, the chance to choose from the 6 possessed powers of 6th edition (core and crimson) but with the same limitation of the oblits (not the sam in 2 consecutive turns).

From a mere design standpoint, the unit is just annoying to play, too. Sorry but "lol is chaos" is a very, very retarded justification for bad design.

>> No.53495963



>> No.53495973

they were sure , but now that scatter, rolling for reserves, and having to wait till turn 2 to do so is out the window for every deep striking unit 103 points is really steep
not even a space marine player, who's hated drop pods since forever here

>> No.53495976

Sisters have probably gotten one of the best weapons in the game they can have everywhere, the Multi Melta. This thing ruins face. Stop crying and read about Meltas.

>> No.53495982

I think heavy plasma cannons are meant to be the vehicle variant of plasma cannons. Considering the only difference is Heavy plasma cannons do 1 mortal wound on a Gets Hot, whilst plasma cannons do "Remove model from table" on a gets hot.

Somehow a Leman Russ executioner going away if you roll a single 1 to hit sounds kinda retarded.

>> No.53495986

>thunderfire costs 28 points
>4d3 5s shots
Not bad

>> No.53495989

One can hope.

>> No.53495992

As it should be honestly.

>> No.53495993

if a 12-wound vehicle with a plasma weapon overcharges and fucks up, does it die?

cause that's hilarious.

>> No.53495997


But it isn't even that fucking random. You know how many shots and your minimum strength. Just fucking plan around that and you're OK. You all keep acting like you could end up with a S1 AP +4 gun or something.

>> No.53495999
File: 919 KB, 2200x1700, 1495223214674.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53496000


I want my tyranid profiles so I can throw my wallet at GW

>> No.53496010

See >>53495982

>> No.53496021

It takes 1 mortal wound

>> No.53496028
File: 10 KB, 320x240, Clunk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>Being this desperate to save face and seem superior

Hahaha, this shit is why i visit /tg/ man. Sure buddy, keep that mask on, keep sucking the Geedubs chode too

I mean, this is Nu-GW amirite :^)

>> No.53496032

>Lemartes gives "Death Company" units around him a reroll to their charges
>Blood Chalices now increase the Strength of "Blood Angel" units around the Sanguinary Priest
Huh, so assuming that those are both keywords, does that mean that both the Sanguinary Priest and Lemartes would gain the benefits of their buffs since Lemartes has the "Death Company" keyword and the Priest has the "Blood Angel" keyword?
It seems like you can pull some nasty charges by dropping down both Lemartes and Death Company 9" away from an enemy. 9" isn't even too unlikely in the new system WITHOUT a reroll.

Other than that I'm not impressed. I need to get a few game under my belt before I decide, but as of right now my hype has died down a good deal.

I wonder if Seth has the "Blood Angel" keyword and/or the "Flesh Tearers" keyword. I heard that the latter had their own chapter tactics in 8E but it'd be weird if they didn't benefit from the Blood Angel buffs. I wonder how Chapter Tactics will work overall with the keyword system. Maybe "Blood Angel" or "Ultramarine" means both the Chapter and its successors? How would that work with obscure successors or successors whose shtick is different from their parent Chapter (Black Templar vs. Imperial Fist)?

>> No.53496033

t. never used multi-meltas

>> No.53496035

Is still clunky as hell. You would think about it if you played more and theorycrafted less.

>> No.53496039

>random is bad design because I say so because I have an autistic hatred of randomness
Whatever you say, pal.

>> No.53496043

Autocannon-battlecannon is cute.

But sometimes you want 72" range
And sometimes you want a heavy Bolter or assault cannon.

>> No.53496045

in what world is the new oblit weapon "not that fucking random"

you literally have to roll 3 dice before you can even start shooting

>> No.53496046


Doesn't include weapon cost.


I mean I'm not the one who is incapable of dealing with change but whatever it takes you to sleep at night.

>> No.53496051

Yeah. Plus random guns in general are less shit now. It's not one you could roll AP 3 where you needed AP 2 while shooting terminators and be out of luck.

These actually seem pretty good for taking on terminators. Mostly wound on 2s, good chance at denying them a lot of their armor save, and multiple damage for decent odds at one-shotting them

>> No.53496055

What wrath of magnus are you talking about?

>> No.53496057

Explain to me why the FUCK gw insist on separating points cost from the stats line; its the most fucking annoying thing when you are making a list

>> No.53496059

Seth has Flesh Tearers.

>> No.53496062

Think you gotta buy the handler too.

Maybe people were hoping to play something other than the mono build melta spam.

>> No.53496063

Not even that Anon, but RNG is a horrible game design philosophy in any game because it doesn't reward skill or conscious choice, and often tacks on several superfluous actions to get that random result.

>> No.53496075

It's annoying but necessary because they have told us OVER AND OVER AND OVER again that they will be continually adjusting points costs for everything as results from tournaments come in.

>> No.53496084

Yep, is not the way to go. Excessively random units become overlooked.
It kinda worked as a concept in WHFB Orcs and Skaven,, because those were armies with lots of models and backup, so fuckups were not terrible.
But it works horribly on elite armies.
Also, I cannot fucking believe you are unable to get why rolling 3 stats each time you fire a weapon is bad.

>> No.53496088


What's your ITC ranking? How many games do you have against top 5 ITC players? I'm a top 150 player with 3 games against the number 2 player in the world right now.

>> No.53496089

Because points costs are going to be updated in bulk AT LEAST once a year.

>> No.53496091

An immolator with a TLMM is 164 points, which costs more than an entire squad with immo does now.

>> No.53496092

There where several?

>> No.53496097

>Shit and unfun rules are acceptable because, uhhhh.... i said so

Only one guy with autism here, and i just replied to him, "pal" .

>> No.53496103

Shhhh, Anon: You're arguing against a bunch of grey-haired grognards who have been rolling dice for literally more than 30 years and can't even fathom a wargame any other way.

>> No.53496104

Nice lie.


Post proofs

>> No.53496111

Well shame on GW for making a game that uses dice then.

If people want a game with zero RNG they should stick to video games.

>> No.53496117

Thats BS, the day GW does incremental balance updates is the day I fuck a zerggirl

>> No.53496118

The only WoM box I saw had no sisters or custodes so I was wondering what was meant

>> No.53496119

He's right, retard.

Theorycrafters or Fluffbunnies like this kind of shit.
They almost never have to deal with it on a tabletop.

>> No.53496121

>unable to conceive that other people find those rules fun, thinks his perspective is the only one that's true
You are literally textbook autism.

>> No.53496123

Which European online retailers do you use for ordering?

I'm from Germany and order sometimes from Waylandgames, but they're a bit unreliable

>> No.53496124


Go to ITC rankings - I'm number 140. Look at my event history and look at Andrew Ford's event history.

>> No.53496127

Looks like that's not obliterators role anymore. They tele in and kill high value targets and sluggers on. You can always evac them with a rhino for rapid relocating. Honestly this seems to be the theme of 8th edition, lots of generalist units are either meh* or relegated to a more narrow role.

*Need to actually play the new edition to see how meh they actually are

>> No.53496130

Oh, excuse me. I sometimes forget that /tg/ is bad at games.

>> No.53496138

Admittedly, Saint Celestine seems really good now. Slightly better than before. Small chance to generate free acts of faith, and she doubles the Invul save of any Sororitas within 12" if I'm reading it right, With multi-damage attacks existing she's a bit easier to kill if focused, but with 12" of movement and being a good target for Act of Faith bonus turns, if the Ardent Blade has good stats she might be able to make something work for us.

Cross the table in a single turn and get to melee, or get 2 melee turns per turn (with her 6 attacks, plus whatever the Geminae are packing)

I wonder if Imagifiers come as-is or can actually take weaponry.

>> No.53496140


Sure but I do like it and I guarantee I am better than you and play more than you.

>> No.53496141

I don't believe you. Also, this does not man you would play with such list.
Would just mean that you want randumb on your enemies.

>> No.53496143

Huh, does he have Blood Angels too? If he doesn't benefit from Blood Chalices I'll be a little sad.

>What's your ITC ranking?
Number -1. I'm so high on the rankings I'm off the charts

>How many games do you have against top 5 ITC players?
Those scrubs? I don't even play against 'em. When it takes longer to unpack my models then it does to beat them it just ain't even worth the time y'know?

>I'm a top 150 player
Oh, I guess you wouldn't. Never mind. Have fun in your mom's garage then. The big boys are playing now.

>> No.53496150

Get the steel-plated condom out, Anon. Because that's exactly the intention.

They didn't do it before because it would have necessitated buying a whole brand new codex which they knew no fan wanted to do.

This way, they can just change the costs online, post a PDF, and be done with it.

>> No.53496154

>ITC ranking
There's no reason to post something that has no value.

>I'm a top 150 player with 3 games against the number 2 player in the world right now
Wew lad. And we don't give a shit if that's true or not. Go back to your WAAC containment forum.

>> No.53496155

He's probably just trolling

They've stated this multiple times in the FAQ and on livestream and Age of Sigmar is already doing this. Stop being an obnoxious skeptic.

>> No.53496159
File: 81 KB, 600x620, IMG_1069.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53496162


Blood Angels leak.

>> No.53496164
File: 26 KB, 410x330, 1453200033986.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>video games
>no RNG


>> No.53496165

you know they won't tho, and if they do it will be once, maybe twice

>> No.53496171

I might be mistaking the box for something else then. All I can remember was them showing up near the same time as the WoM box.

>> No.53496172

>Dark Sphere

>> No.53496177

Who needs good tactics when you can make awesome rolls on a die?

>> No.53496181


Confirmed for never actually having played a good opponent.

>> No.53496182

>part of csm codex leaked
>full sister codex
>sm, angels, necrons, orks, tau
>imperial guard can give auto orders you guys, but only to same regiment tag
This is just insulting.

>> No.53496184

>immolator with a TLMM is 164 points
Time to start using my sisters with the normal space Marine rules.

>> No.53496185

Looks like you'll be redefining your expectations of GW AND your definition of "girl" next year then.

>> No.53496191

Is the reason gw doesnt give chaos dreadnoughts is because a lot of their shit can deepstrike?

>> No.53496193

Yea? I'm number 139. You ain't shit.

>> No.53496197

They've already done this shit in Age of Sigmar.

>> No.53496199

>Lapping up garbage just to feel superior on /tg/ of all places

Good job putting words in my mouth though, really gives you a strong argument! Now be sure to call everyone autistic before the thread ends, yeah?

>> No.53496200

First result for Andrew Ford I found is Eldar.
Die of internal bleeding.

>> No.53496202

>Confirmed for never actually having played a good opponent.
Confirmed for not being a good opponent.

>> No.53496206

Maybe you should stop playing a game that resolves combat by rolling dice then.

>> No.53496216

>admittedly, <SPECIAL CHARACTER> seems really good now

I don't want to be fucking forced to use a special character every fucking game just to play. Sisters have been forced to take Celestine since 5th edition, and I'm sick of it.

>> No.53496217

How do we know you're not some random dude pretending to be Price Vanderburg?
Idiot, Ford is the #2 guy. He claims to be #140

>> No.53496218

If you stop being so blatantly autistic people will stop calling you on it, then you won't have to be so butthurt anon.

>> No.53496221


That's literally 40k you fucking dunce. It is a dice game. Or are you suggesting you are OK with dealing with averages and probabilities for combats, shooting, wounding, etc, but as soon as they add it to number of shots you lose your fucking mind?

>> No.53496227

Most vehicles got more expensive tho'

>> No.53496228

>regiment tag
This one is awesome

>> No.53496229

It wasn't even me. But I liked how he answered, I had a good laugh.
Now fuck off.

>> No.53496237

She's the only intresting and/or important thing in the whole army. Deal with it.

>> No.53496238 [DELETED] 
File: 36 KB, 720x673, kys.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>Can't argue with the posts, gotta make something up!
Tourney fags ladies and gentlemen

>> No.53496241
File: 49 KB, 189x405, ss+(2017-05-29+at+09.00.58).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>Huh, does he have Blood Angels too? If he doesn't benefit from Blood Chalices I'll be a little sad.

You sobstitute all istances of BLOOD ANGELS with FLESH TEARERS on no-unique units if you play a successor chapter.

>> No.53496244

I know, I know

I was SLIGHTLY more okay with it than when other armies do it cause Celestine's whole thing was "inexplicably appear whenever she is needed"

but god DAMN they somehow took an army with fuck-all options and gave them LESS options.

>> No.53496250

Literally everything leak said was knows. Tau also have sept tag, but no rules for them yet.

>> No.53496251
File: 59 KB, 555x762, DA_0yV4UIAAcId6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

I can't decide what space marine chapter/legion to play.

I have always liked the color scheme of salamanders but I can never find enough background info.

I like the color and the background of HH era ultramarines (roman aesthetic) But they seem vanilla as fuck and im worried I would get bored.

I like the Raptors but I feel like they would be more interesting as a kill team then a full on army.

My issue is I pretty much like all of the legions but I don't want to do one of the ones that has a separate codex like SW or BA or DA

I want to get into salamanders but there is this nagging feeling in the back of my head that I only like their colors and that I have a billion orcs to paint like the same color already.

How did you guys decide what to play? I am not creative enough to make my own chapter.

>> No.53496257

Power lances are IN! Yeah boy!

>> No.53496259

Oh wow.

I'm the most efficient at stacking toilet paper in my entire shop, guess we're just too cool for 4chan eh?

>> No.53496262

Not huge on special characters, but she might be necessary and carry the army at low point levels.

I think it's time to stock up on seraphim models.

>> No.53496265

What are the odds that Scarab Occult can take PW other than swords?

>> No.53496268

maybe the burning of prospero box? they are the same sprue if that was the one you were thinking about.

>> No.53496269


Their shipping rates are expensive as fuck anon..

>> No.53496270

Yeah I guess it never occured to you that it's possible to make a wargame that might still use dice but the rules can heavily favor bias the result of die rolls in favor of the player who skillfully uses tactics to position the correct unit at the correct moment to fire the correct kind of weapon against an enemy that is weak to it.

>> No.53496271

Paint the colors you like. Then play whatever chapter tactics you like. It's not that complicated.

>> No.53496275


Where did you get those points from? The article says the immolator is 68pts.

The guns cost 17pts for the bolters, 35pts for the flamer and 54pts for the multi-melta

>> No.53496291

They offer 20-25% off GW, though they obviously favour those who can get to their store in London
But i've been really happy with them for the past 5 years

>> No.53496292

He is still Eldar in the result I found.

>> No.53496297

Either they can or they can't.

>> No.53496299

Yeah but it's 60 points over a quad lascanon predator.

>> No.53496300

It's almost like that still works exactly the same with fleshmetal weapons, like they too have statistically favored targets like every other gun in the game.

>> No.53496305

ayy you're right

But it is ITC after all.

>> No.53496310

>(((Price Vanderburg)))
Get in the oven you stupid eldar player

>> No.53496312

Might be that one then, thanks anon. Do they include the same rules too?

>> No.53496319

That's not how statistics works, anon.

In the next ten seconds you will either spontaneously develop huge anime tits or you won't, but the odds of each happening is not 50/50.

>> No.53496330

All tau posted on the facebook group

>> No.53496342

"I, the Eldar player, assure you that randumb is da best for Chaos armies, trust me! Why should I lie? "
It's absolutely fucking unbelievable.

>> No.53496360

I find it both amusing and sad that the leaks are all coming out on FB first and we have to wait like dogs for scraps from the table.

>> No.53496365



>> No.53496369

Oh shit, get that shit in here so we can either laugh at them or freak the fuck out

This could be pandemonium

>> No.53496381

Closed group.

>> No.53496386

Im thinking what I want to buy for my tyranid force.

Right now I have a hive tyrant, 10 gargoyles, 20 termagants, 3 warriors, a Carnifex and an uponed box of 3 hive guard/tyrant guard

I absolutely want a Trygon, but what else fits for a nidzilla army?

>> No.53496398

Post them here then, mate.

>> No.53496399

If you're part of the group then start posting the pics

>> No.53496404

closed group. repost plz anon

>> No.53496405

what's the point of a death company dreadnought ?
the point of the death company is that they are in first line because they are unsavable

>> No.53496407

Markerlights and Riptide cost are the two most important things for everyone to know there

>> No.53496413

More big stompy things. Tervigons, if they can still count as troops

>> No.53496415


Making life a little too easy for everyone, eh Price?

Nice comment on the 103 pts Drop Pod by the way!

>> No.53496422

I don't play space marines, how much do rhinos and drop pods currently cost?

>> No.53496425

It's a Dread that went crazy.

>> No.53496429

More Carnifexi, like holy shit son you want 3-5 of those suckers if you're going Nidzilla

Tervigon for psychic buffs probably

Mawlocs are fun

>> No.53496431

>guy gets placed into a dread
>goes into black rage after
>what do you mean there are no volunteers to pry him out of there ?

>> No.53496435

They weren't mad when they were interred.

>> No.53496436

The madness doesn't stop just because you got put in a dread. A normal dread and still go crazy.

>> No.53496445
File: 87 KB, 1014x428, Screen Shot 2017-05-30 at 3.12.14 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>eldar waacfag celebrating about his enemies getting nerfed

>> No.53496446

A Tyrranofex maybe? Trygon is a good call. A Malaeceptor -MIGHT- be nice to have as psychic support, but wait on that one because the current rules suck hard

>> No.53496452

Huh, not TOO bad. I'll miss bringing Lemartes in with my Flesh Tearers but that's about it.

Honestly though, not having access to the majority of unique characters seems like a huge nerf to successors in general. I mean shit, if you don't play straight Blood Angels or Flesh Tearers you lose every non-generic HQ and hell, even then Flesh Tearers only get 1 unique model.

I guess all my BA->FT character conversions are destined for the bitz bin. At least Seth himself doesn't seem TOO bad. Still miffed honestly. I hope my boys get some good Chapter Tactics outta this whole ordeal at least.

Thanks for the info man, even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear.

>> No.53496459

I empathise.
I hate using special characters, they don't belong with my dudes.
Yet if I don't take at least Ahriman, I'm just asking to be full NPC.

>> No.53496461

>>imperial guard can give auto orders you guys, but only to same regiment tag

Realistic. If someone from another unit tells me to do something, I usually don't.

Fuck him.

>> No.53496468

35. Them going up to around 100 is a big leap.

I think GW really wanted to make footslogging a viable alternative just from a point cost perspective

>> No.53496472



>> No.53496478
File: 35 KB, 447x299, 18767324_10210728410540613_1736383586_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Not Special Characters.
Those dudes have their wargear folded in

>> No.53496486

carnifexes and mawlocs, also hive crones

>> No.53496489

If orders don't cost CP I'm already happy as fuck.

>> No.53496495

Well I sure as fuck won't dump shit for needy cunts.
That's encouraging bad behaviour.

>> No.53496499

>Half-corpse furiously chewing on your kneecaps before you can drag it out of its sacrophagus.

>> No.53496502



>> No.53496503

unfortunately not, just the models. the box is still a great deal if you're looking to expand a non psyker imperial army

>> No.53496506

You have you buy the weapons, that's how. A twin linked MM is 54 points. 54+68=162

>> No.53496510

>for just 7 points more you can get a Stormtalon Gunship
I'm still entirely equipping my army with Drop pods because I've wanted to since Drop pods were invented, but I find this pretty bizarre. I was expecting ~75 points at most.

>> No.53496518

Just do it anyways faggot. Or claim it's Captain Fleshripper, and your using lemartes rules.

>> No.53496520

It is impressive how GW manages to disappoint even when expecting shit

>> No.53496526


Except they don't have a -1 to hit like a combibolter

>> No.53496531

I didn't expect this, but I'm actually cautious but excited about 8e.

>> No.53496533
File: 74 KB, 640x854, 18698429_853161631506311_5305377165485206576_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53496534
File: 232 KB, 433x587, 657567567457.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

5" movement you say?

>> No.53496538

Well you can move and fire MM now like any heavy weapon. Thats a really big upgrade given their shortish range.

>> No.53496539

Yeah fuck that guy, but tell me honestly, do you have access to rules?

>> No.53496542

When it says an inquisitor can enter any vehicle, does it mean only transports OR is it literally any vehicle?

>> No.53496544

maybe venomthropes for the creepy factor along with hit penalties for your enemies

>> No.53496547

any leaks for tau
especially those stealthsuit and crisis suit

>> No.53496549


>> No.53496553

drop pods cost 103 points

>> No.53496556

>(((riptide))) is literally only 209 points
That's it. I quit. Time to burn my models.

>> No.53496557

Blood angels honor the fallen of the Death Company and grant them death as warriors/

>> No.53496558
File: 55 KB, 700x620, Cadian-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Any more leaks for the IG?

>> No.53496564
File: 57 KB, 510x618, bed-bug-exterminator.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53496568

that's without weapons anon

>> No.53496569

>210 before weapons

Get fucked Taufags

>> No.53496570
File: 1.09 MB, 1031x858, tau1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

I'm not going to post everything

>> No.53496574

>(does not include wargear or drones)

>> No.53496576
File: 94 KB, 572x591, tau mad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Reply if your first thought was to look up the cost of a riptide xD

>> No.53496584

A Stormtalon Gunship costs 110 before any weapon upgrades (need to find that page somewhere to determine most likely cost you'll see on a table).

>> No.53496585
File: 75 KB, 640x854, 18739705_853161644839643_3267237373596128411_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53496588

Why not? You could do so much good here.

>> No.53496589


I assuming that it is just for characters who transfer rules to units.

So you cannot have a cadian based character and a catachan squad buff the same squad. Or a khorne and a nurgle apostle giving two buffs.

GW said they are trying to limit broken combos.

>> No.53496595

>Crisis Suits 42 pts apiece before wargear
>Riptide 209 pts base before wargear


>Dem low cost Kroots

>> No.53496597

>180 points

You better have to fucking buy each individual weapon

>> No.53496598

Stormsurge begins cheaper than a Riptide

>> No.53496603

4+ assuming there isn't any other modifiers for just 4 shots. Missing half the time and wounding half the time (assuming tank hunting of T8 more less) is not that impressive.

Single shot highly strength weapons need to be spammed in order to work. That is the issue with them

>> No.53496608
File: 31 KB, 409x360, 18+3d6charge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Ignore the reee posters
but if you actually do have access to the rules just tell me one thing:
Is the Maleceptor good?
Or is it still irredemably shit?

>> No.53496610
File: 81 KB, 640x854, 18740206_853161901506284_1580092711713074988_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53496616

That's like a 50 point increase and that's before any guns whatsoever.

>> No.53496619

>200 points for a Riptide before guns

At least they're land raider price like they should have been to start with now

>> No.53496622

As an IW sympathizer, I feel you Anon. But still, I'm glad they're not trash tier, because I'm planning to field a small IW force to change from my TS.

>> No.53496624
File: 1.14 MB, 1009x861, tau2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

next, the faves

too much hassle

>> No.53496630

>Or claim it's Captain Fleshripper, and your using lemartes rules.
Pretty much what I'm going to do, just sucks I gotta clear it with my opponent first. I don't wanna be a dick to some flufffag who ain't minmaxing.
At the same time the thought of having some WACCfag getting his panties in a wad because "I'm trying to cheat!" doesn't sound fun to me either.

Why do WACCfags have to exist?

>> No.53496638
File: 85 KB, 640x854, 18813683_853161888172952_4937740410326031977_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53496639
File: 46 KB, 862x521, 1458049583056.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53496646

what about allies? can I field demos of chaos with my CSM?

>> No.53496648

>orks are a melee army
>m 5

>> No.53496649

Please, leak anons, Im sitting on a primed sprue of Kataphron; I need to know if Breachers are actually good, or if I have to just use them for counts as Destroyers. I hate how thin and whimpy Destroyers look when compared to Breachers, but Breachers currently really suck.

>> No.53496650

Holy shit I know that guy. He got royally assblasted on the AoS group once because he sperged out about something I can't recall, but literally EVERYONE was making fun of him lmfao.

>> No.53496653

>Kroot hounds are a separate 4-12 unit


>> No.53496660
File: 1.11 MB, 1014x873, tau3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


such little wound count

>> No.53496664

Suit upgrades cost more on bigger suits.

Fucking good.

>> No.53496673

Riptide with Ion Accelerator is over 300 points

Thank god

>> No.53496678


Am I reading this right? Ion Accelerator is 107 points, so a Riptide with big gun is 316 points before wargear and spare weapons?

>> No.53496679

Is that a fucking ballistic skill 4+ base on that riptide?

>> No.53496682

The wound counts are low on the Tau monsters (it feels like).

>> No.53496687

get fucked Tau

>> No.53496689


Markerlights, son.

>> No.53496691

Just leak orks already so I know how much points I have and what do I have to buy before the launch

>> No.53496696

why no movemeent stat on the riptide ?

>> No.53496697
File: 124 KB, 900x563, 1446615315583.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53496699


Well, more balanced, at least.

>> No.53496702

My models have been saved from immolation.

>> No.53496703

SS can have like 10 weapon systems so it'll get way more expensive

>> No.53496704

Only allow you to reroll 1s to hit unless you stack over 5

>> No.53496709

Yeah I know right? I was totally going to give everyone in the thread $10,000 but you know what? I've decided not to. Because of thier bad behavior.

>> No.53496713

try again

>> No.53496718
File: 88 KB, 640x854, 18765645_853161728172968_6078096821697375011_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53496719


>> No.53496720
File: 148 KB, 802x1024, img520d15dd3bda5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Am I good if I want to run Start Collecting and Optimised Pathfinder Team and then expand it with infantry and small suits instead of big mechs?

>> No.53496724

>Hammerhead railguns deal 1d6 damage with d3 mortam wounds on top

I love it!

>> No.53496725


>> No.53496729


It has one - look in the little box. It starts at 12"


You need 5 to get the +1 to hit.

>> No.53496730

enough shitty animes post real xenos already

>> No.53496732
File: 20 KB, 380x420, 1372838705191.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>Those disgusting nails

>> No.53496734


What? 54+68 is 122.

Also if you want them cheap just get the twin heavy bolter for 17pts. That makes it 85pts in total which isn't a huge increase from the 72pts(or 70pts for SM) rhino.

>> No.53496736

Remember when they tried to pretend mortal wounds would be rare?

>> No.53496739
File: 892 KB, 1020x869, tau4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53496747

>expecting anything else from tau players

>> No.53496752
File: 77 KB, 640x854, 18813686_853161851506289_3242799505611280121_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53496755

Thing is, they now have 14 wounds, so they can permanently have a 3++ since that can never actually fail at the cost of less than half their health max.

>> No.53496770

i have shit eyes, thanks

>> No.53496771

Huh? But first turn deep strike, no rolling and no scatter are all buffs to pods, especially no scatter. You can literally thunk down with precision wherever you want.

>> No.53496774

Did the weapon costs for the vehicles get posted? Going into town tomorrow, might grab a Predator or something if it's worth it

>> No.53496775
File: 1.07 MB, 1027x874, tau5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

any requests?

>> No.53496781

As a Tau yet. I'm glad for . now maybe people will stop bitching about Tau being OP when I don't even own a Riptide

>> No.53496785



>> No.53496790

Welp, that proves that <Sept>, <Craftworld>, <Hive Fleet> and so on doesn't come with any particular benefits.

Those Markerlight nerfs, holy shit.

>> No.53496792


Fair but those are free wounds that I don't need to go through to kill it.

>> No.53496793


>> No.53496794

The vast majority of mortal wounds were seeing are self-inflicted from stuff like gets hot. The offensive ones are still all psychic powers and fuckhuge weapons on big models.

>> No.53496796

Kroot and Vespid

>> No.53496798

Markerlight rules. Please

>> No.53496799


>> No.53496800

You'll still be a gay weeb and a commie faggot.

>> No.53496808

Imperial Guard stuff!

>> No.53496810

>What's that? Armour saves are worthless and only invulnerable saves matter?
>Don't worry, we made all saves equally worthless now!

>> No.53496814

Fire Warriors

>> No.53496817

I don't know why but I've weirdly become more okay with them.
Maybe because my rage is being directed at more blatant sigmarification

>> No.53496818


Already posted - see >>53496638

>> No.53496821

yeah m8, look for an optimized stealth cadre box set for infiltrators and your token single big boy (hes more medium and can help against cheese builds)

>> No.53496824
File: 82 KB, 640x854, 18739728_853161948172946_7788899206560156976_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53496828

Finally railsides return to their rightful place.

I wonder what guns crisis suits can take, rail rifles would be fun, always wanted a full mass-driver army with onager gauntlet piledriver commander.

>> No.53496832

Necrons pls!!

>> No.53496835

See >>53496638

>> No.53496838

(You) too

>> No.53496840
File: 1.25 MB, 1020x862, tau6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53496847

>ion accelerator riptide is 316 points before mandatory drones
'bout fucking time

>> No.53496848
File: 86 KB, 640x854, 18700091_853161544839653_2531780231233543469_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53496851


>> No.53496854
File: 3.08 MB, 1756x810, 1477534798414.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>14 wounds, dead from a couple Lascsannons
>Loses speed when it gets hurt
>Hitting on fucking 4's
>Needs 5 marker lights to actually hit better
>Can only have 2 shield drones
>Suffers a mortal wound everytime they fire up the Nova reactor
>300 points at the least
Gg no re

>> No.53496857

Sisters of Battle just to see if they soft squated them again

>> No.53496860

Devastators if anything, ghostkeel/stealth suits if tau only

>> No.53496863
File: 13 KB, 267x200, smugcommissar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>tfw Imperial plasma weapons are now strictly better than T'au plasma weapons

>> No.53496867

>Shaper is an elite

I'm liking the looks of this. Do we know of any detachments that would let you load up on all this Kroot goodness?

>> No.53496872

fire warriors and pathfinder

>> No.53496879

Thanks m8. Kroot are looking good!

>> No.53496886
File: 1.14 MB, 1016x868, tau7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

already posted


>> No.53496887

That's the hammerhead railgun. Suits carry a slightly smaller one. >>53496775

>> No.53496889

If the leaks for the Carnifex are right, it can kill a Riptide in one round of combat, at 67 points.

>> No.53496892
File: 132 KB, 800x800, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Ad mech

>> No.53496903
File: 174 KB, 660x959, LotD_art_reference.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Legion of the Damned

>> No.53496906


I want to see Sisters to see how true that Naftka article was

>> No.53496916

They are not expended on use. So if you get 5 lights in all your units shooting at that target gets the bonus. Just like I predicted from the faction focus article.

>> No.53496917

I'm perfectly Ok with that one, well aside from it having no sub munitions.

>> No.53496918

Hi. First time posting on /tg/. I've got several questions, sorry in advance if I'm offending anyone.

First of all, how do I get into 40k? So far I've read the wiki pages for most stuff that looked important, but I still feel like I know fucking nothing.

Secondly, are people playing online or just offline? Looking through the threads here it doesn't look like there's a whole lot 40k roleplaying going on. I'd play offline but

If people are actually playing online, will they hate me for playing a loli?
Related to that, is there a lorewise more fitting character to play as a loli than a chaos spess marine that got transformed?
Any other alternatives?

Also any general tips for a complete newcomer are appreciated.

>> No.53496919

pls chaos stuff

>> No.53496923

Not bad I think

>> No.53496926


Tyranids, please. Please.

>> No.53496927
File: 1.06 MB, 1018x859, tau8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53496933

Dark Angels and Assasins

>> No.53496937

Hes posting pics from a tau facebook group idiots

>> No.53496940

Please, post IG. I can't sleep.

>> No.53496941

It will basically never do this, though, and it's 87 points after minimum weapons.

>> No.53496947

Still an overall nerf. Makes them BS 4 rerolling 1s if they focus fire, it only for that one unit.

>> No.53496948

Astra Militarum
Imperial Guard

>> No.53496949

>if tau overwatch for other tau, they can't overwatch the rest of the turn

Sweet. Leaves them open

>> No.53496950

Post the bugs, daddy.

>> No.53496952

anything on the septs?

>> No.53496963

>Hi. First time posting on /tg/.
> sorry in advance if I'm offending anyone.
Yes, it adds up

>> No.53496964

Anyone got the Inquisition and/or Grey Knight Index at hand?

>> No.53496971
File: 1.19 MB, 1009x859, tau9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

you silly kids, I'm just sharing the leaks from the facebook group. I dont have all the indices


>> No.53496976


Here's the Roleplay thrwead >>53451008
And you will be both hated and shunned if you make more than a joking remark about Loli characters.

in fact after this post I'll hide you and denounce any mention of you.

>> No.53496986

Like anyone cares outside the nerfs.

>> No.53496989

You're looking for the 40k roleplay thread boyo. Check the catalog.

>> No.53496991

>hits on 4s
>wounds on 4s
>3 damage per wound
>Riptide has to make a 5+
It statistically can happen. The fact that its possible is what is great.

>> No.53496994

Wow, Tau actually got dumpstered.

Based GW.

>> No.53496999

pods could already come in turn 1
scatter didn't matter nearly as much for pods since they couldn't mishap unless it was impassable terrain or they went of the table so you could place them an inch behind a tank and if you scattered an inch it didn't matter since it auto corrected

>> No.53497008

>you will be both hated and shunned
That's too bad
I'll ask again to confirm and then fuck off.
Oh, sorry.

>> No.53497009

ork boyz and lootas

>> No.53497010

Thanks m8, I appreci8 and I'd r8 8/8

>> No.53497011

>Tfw trying to hit a ghostkeel as Guard.
Never going to hit those fuckers.

>> No.53497016

>will they hate me for playing a loli
I hope cholesterol kills you soon

>> No.53497017

fuck off faggot, or at least try to be constructive. this guy is taking the time to post leaks and all you do is whine when you don't get your faction.

>> No.53497018

Saying "please post jokaero" is useless. He doesnt have the book.

>> No.53497040

first of all welcome to /tg/! please enjoy your stay and don't bait too hard

to get into 40k i suggest you to play Dawn of war 1 + expansions ( Soulstorm, the latest expansion is 10€ on steam ) or you could read some of the novel in the black library

also what do you mean offline or online
are you speaking of the 40k RPG ? this is the tabletop thread

and thirdly please don't or if you do i hope you get your lore correctly, else, don't

>> No.53497047

Is there a list of guns for the crisis suits?
Possibly also higher quality image of the crisis page.

>> No.53497061
File: 976 KB, 245x280, 1456546656121.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>mfw people will be still loosing against T'au™ and there will be no Riptides to blame

>> No.53497066

Play all of Dawn of War, and then DoW2
Then find a faction and look into them

>> No.53497070

On average it will do about 2 Wounds a turn with scything talons, 3.33 with crushing claws. You might also get a single Mortal Wound in when you charge as well.

WS 4+ on a Carnifex is a fucking travesty. There better be crazy levels of biomorph buffs available.

>> No.53497075

As a Tau player, there are some well deserved nerfs there, but also a lot of cool changes I'm excited for.

>> No.53497084

Broadsides are 202 ppm if you missile them up


>> No.53497093

Thanks guys, will do that.

>> No.53497095

When they finally retire marinelets how will they fluff LotD into primaris size?

>> No.53497098


>> No.53497102

Bad players will still lose, yes.

Congrats Tau players, now when you win you can maybe actually say it was real skill. It's a whole new world.

>> No.53497103

>it'll actually be competitve instead of asking "how many Riptides did you bring this time?"

No problems here

>> No.53497105

Look at pictures, pick the ones you like the look of the most

>> No.53497107
File: 1.11 MB, 1038x865, tau10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

fwarriors already posted

>> No.53497114

Their task is done. The new marines are more than capable of taking care of themselves. Thus they disappear into the warp.

>> No.53497115

They are fuelled by the faith and fear of onlookers.

>> No.53497121
File: 84 KB, 522x538, Mad_Doc_Grotsnik.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53497137

Cant wait to transport roboute guilliman in my roboute guilliman with my roboute guilliman geneseed marines

Thanks matt ward

>> No.53497146

friend over the internet
I just posted a bunch of pictures of my models and the tables at the LGS during games
Craftworld with a focus on dire avengers, banshees, and Wraithlords

>> No.53497152

thank you adam and thank you anon

>> No.53497154
File: 48 KB, 590x772, 18486187_10209552967603231_1050628896996708397_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>> No.53497162

They also have 6 Wounds apiece.

>> No.53497172

Now we will see if le good Phill Kelly will nerf in the same way Eldars.
I bet he will not.

>> No.53497174

>Pathfinders 5 man minimum

Fuck me. I've got 3 teams of 4

>> No.53497180

I'm just skimming over this, but does this feel like points limits are set to go all over the place? Feels like 2k isn't going to buy you a lot of things anymore.

>> No.53497181

also post your question on the rpg general they are more apt to answer

>> No.53497188
File: 161 KB, 1200x800, Cadian-Attack.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Not before the Guard, Greenskin!

>> No.53497197

Just run two teams of six then.

>> No.53497199


>> No.53497210

Well now you've got two teams of 6.

Split fire exists so it's not a big deal.

>> No.53497212

Troops are the same, big toys cost more.

>> No.53497217

Agreed, it looks like matched play games will be a lot smaller and quicker now at 2k than before at 1750.

>> No.53497224

No problem, you're now allowed to pay for minimum size but only bring as many as you want.

>> No.53497233


>> No.53497234

I think it means that you just won't see as much truly big shit in 2k anymore. Which is great - fuck people throwing knights in every list.

>> No.53497235

Oh yeah, you talk about normal players. Just remember about neckbeards crying about using Riptides when playing against infantry players

>> No.53497244

points can be changed through the internet by GW to balance and nerf the units
they said it in the FAQ

>> No.53497248

If I am correct
Riptides are now 209 base
+55 for the Heavy Burst Cannon
+40 for two Smart Missile Systems (20 each)
The total new cost is 304 per Riptide suit.
Previously it was 180pts.

>> No.53497251

im really curious what they did with killa kans

can i field my big unit of 6 without feeling like im retarded? that would be neato

>> No.53497288

More wounds though. But yes.

>> No.53497293


Mechanicus accidentally the whole Fire Hawks geneseed into Primaris Marines when they were rooting through the geneseed tithe's stasis fridge, and they were soon afterwards lost to the Warp. Soon afterwards they're found standing alongside the Legion of the Damned during their sudden and miraculous appearances.

>> No.53497297

but its also a lot easier to do many wounds on one.

>> No.53497301

I have nearly a dozen in various stages of assembly.

>> No.53497303

Did the footslogging Tau Commander or Ethereals get posted? I didnt see them but I may be blind and/or retarded

>> No.53497305

Pretty sure they got rid of obsec and theres that new spearhead detachment so you might be in luck m8

>> No.53497317

That's true, although feels counter-intuitive compared to GW's recent release strategy of pushing big shit all the time. Maybe since this supports smaller army play they're turning a new leaf? Either that or they'll start pushing for higher standard points limits.

>> No.53497323

JSJ is fucking gone, praise the Emperor.

>> No.53497326

Taller spooky ghost marines suddenly appear alongside the normal spooky ghost marines. Lore already hints that the LotD are not fire hawk specific.

>> No.53497343

I want confirmed Tyranid leaks REEEEEEEE

>> No.53497349
File: 30 KB, 250x451, Kelbor_Hal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>Grav is infantry shredder
>Ap4 now meaningful
>Troops made cheaper in comparison to fuckheug toys
>BS affects blasts
>Can actually take armour saves sometimes
>FoC rewards Combined Arms
>MCs degrade properly
>Morale actually meaningful for more armies
>Hordes viable so may actually have hordes to shred
>Skyfire no longer 100% fuckyou to ground targets
>Flyers fair game for blast weapons
>HQs and expensive SpecWeps are harder to snipe

Is this the Age of Admech?

>> No.53497352
File: 1.14 MB, 1022x867, tau11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

ethereal, I dont think so

>> No.53497355


Are Dire Avengers finally fluff accurate, or are they still guardian tier in cc?

>> No.53497363

>tfw running Breacher boys and Aun'shi
Just hope they keep the transport caps the same for muh devilfish, is tau bro still posting?

>> No.53497377

Not for riptide, it'll just costs 0,833 wounds per turn (with stims) to use it and negates nova charged weapons or 3+ invulnerable.

>> No.53497382

oh sweet, mind posting the vehicles? If ya got the time it would be nice

>> No.53497386

Riptides can do it if they wound themselves.

>> No.53497388
File: 5.60 MB, 900x700, 1495680764705.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>battle focus changed to +1 movement or something

ya know i don't mind this change, guardians are still deadly

>> No.53497400


We already know what it does, you can advance and shoot without penalty.

>> No.53497410

>no faction focus

>> No.53497411

Rumor says battle focus negates the -1 bs for running and firing with assault weapons.

>> No.53497420
File: 1.10 MB, 1012x869, tau12.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53497425

you can only advance and shoot assault weapons. shame that scatter lasers are heavy and suffer -1 while moving allready.

>> No.53497444

Any chance for Darkstrider rules?

>> No.53497450


>Caligula's declaration of war on Poseidon

>> No.53497454


Maybe platforms will help negate that though.

>> No.53497455

for small games without WAAC pieces of shit: yes!

For starting a tau army, as of right now, the best choice would be: two start collecting sets and one or two optimised pathfinder teams plus a commander. Then build up from there

>> No.53497456

Just assault weapons. But I imagine SCats will still be assault.

>> No.53497460

You got a source for all these gifs? I've seen a bunch over the years but never found the source.

>> No.53497461

I confess, I chuckled.

>> No.53497468

Yeah but it was far more annoying on Crisis Suits.

Riptides have a much harder time staying completely out of LoS with their huge profile, and 9/10 times it's better for them to get the improved invuln save instead.

>> No.53497469

Can we get the Devilfish my nigga

>> No.53497472

>Railhead are still poop

That fucker needs to descent four flight of stairs, on his teeth.

>> No.53497480
File: 1.13 MB, 1012x872, tau13.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53497486
File: 97 KB, 512x512, 1389584286512.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Orks when

>> No.53497495

it's someone on Deviant art, i don't recall the name but easy enough to find

>> No.53497498

A lot of the big stuff is pretty good vanilla, I don't see a lot of the expensive guns getting used.

>> No.53497510

>Those fucking comments

How retarded can you get?

>> No.53497515



>> No.53497517

To be fair to him, the RNG usually just determine what adversaries and conditions the player faces, with the abilities of the player being relatively consistent and/or predictable.

There is a major difference between using RNG to determine what type of unit you will encounter, and using a RNG to determine the amount of shots and damage of a players weapon.

RNG is fun, as along as it's kept in the right places.

>> No.53497520

SteelJoe on DA

>> No.53497529
File: 112 KB, 1024x768, 14888865819311.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53497530

It's nice that you can transport drones

>> No.53497535

If you put a piece of paper with a number on it, and that number just happens to be an account, then money might magically appear in it if you show us the fucking orks.

>> No.53497540
File: 1.30 MB, 1036x872, tau14.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

last one for the time being

>> No.53497547
File: 145 KB, 1276x540, thumbs up.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Thanks man.

>> No.53497551


He doesn't have the books. He's sharing the pages from a FB group.

>> No.53497554

He doesn't actually have the book, he's re-posting from a closed FB account. Gotta wait for the book owner to post them.

>> No.53497557
File: 788 KB, 1018x894, 1421942437617.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53497580

You ready could. It was important for infantry quads who brought drones with them.

The biggest difference is that you can't squeeze Stealth Suits in them anymore.

>> No.53497584

Is Space Pope actually dead or did I just miss him?

>> No.53497585

>you can only advance and shoot assault weapons
But can you shoot and advance with assault weapons?

>> No.53497589

Much appreciated, thanks for taking the time anon.

>> No.53497590

dang, looks like a nerf with drones counting towards the cap and that dude is right about the ballistic skill thing

>> No.53497592

>Crack on
Oh, you Brits

>> No.53497594
File: 227 KB, 700x700, 1424430240053.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


wait i mean haha lol i was just joking fooled you haha

>> No.53497595
File: 112 KB, 1000x648, tau drone harbinger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


DoW Devilfish Harbinger confirmed.

>> No.53497596

>for small games without WAAC pieces of shit: yes
Like pretty all newbies I want to start with SW:A and 1000 point games so yeah

>> No.53497607

As far as we can tell, there is nothing stopping you from running Daemons with CSM. However, it's possible that they will not synergize as well as a straight Daemons/CSM army would (though a mono-God list will still probably complement each other well) because of how Keywords work.

>> No.53497618


It negates the -1 penalty.

>> No.53497623

wut? You advance in the movement phase and normally cannot shoot afterwards, with assault weapons you can do so, but at a -1 to hit. The Eldar appear to be able to ignore that malus to hit

>> No.53497642

Tau players.

>> No.53497650

Anon, if you gib me lodesamone I will totes post Ork rules and I promise they will be everything you want.

>> No.53497651

Drones already counted towards the cap. If you a fire warrior squad 2 gun drones, you had just enough room with the 12 transport space.

Is this what 7th did to Tau players? Make them forget how transports worked?

>> No.53497653

Officially dead in lore, but still usable in games.

>> No.53497662

In the fluff he die

Against a Culexus assassin. Yes an anti psyker assassin.

>> No.53497663

>playing a loli
You seem like a natural Tau player

>> No.53497667

So...a riptide still has to buy its War Gear? Meaning it will cost 209 for the tide and another 55 for HBC?

>> No.53497673

It's just that I didn't see him in the leaks, will have to go back and look again.

>> No.53497677

>meanwhile at GW HQ
>what should we do for sisters guys?
>oh right they have rules
>how do they play?
>lets check the last white dwarf about them
>oh hey, the rules are here
>we'll just use these and change them a bit
>oh, and everyone loves Celestine, so make her mandatory

>> No.53497679



>> No.53497685


Kroot no longer have Stealth(Forests)?

>> No.53497687

>and nothing of value was lost

>> No.53497692

He's mostly anti psyker, but the point of the Culexus training is basically to make their power so strong that it's impossible to survive near them if they don't want you to

>> No.53497693




>> No.53497694

While technically correct, it also relies on the genre and game itself. Random drops are a thing, as are random events, random spawns, and even random effects, such as in Hearthstone (which can be argued that it is a digital traditional game.

In either case, competitive games should have pointless randomness minimized in favor of skill, or you're just gambling. When a random option boils down to "always plan for the worst option but hope for the best", that's not a meaningful choice.

>> No.53497696

I really want to start up a Tau armoured Division now. Devilfish full of Drones, Sky Rays, and Hammerheads with those sick new Railguns

>> No.53497706

What are you talking about have there been sisters leaks?

>> No.53497714


>Seeker missiles automatically give mortal wounds.
>But has an accuracy of 6.

>> No.53497720


>> No.53497741

You need two Markerlights on the target to fire them with the shooter's BS (re-rolling 1's).

>> No.53497744

2 markerlights let you fire them on normal BS

>> No.53497747

Seems like they don't, but looking at their infiltrate rule it almost seems like they deploy at 7" rather than 9"

>> No.53497751
File: 5 KB, 226x246, 1028473992838.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

just how much money are we talkin here

>> No.53497763
File: 96 KB, 873x627, Penitent_Engine.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

All over the thread.

They went out of their way to make them bad. The 6ed codex looks like a masterpiece by comparison.

>> No.53497769

>WAACfags on suicide watch


>> No.53497771

Tau player here. I am happy for the riptide spam to end, and for the huge nerf. They're supposed to be rare and powerful yet unstable suits.

>> No.53497780

Well, it makes sense if they want people to gradually stop playing sisters altogether.

>> No.53497781

107 if they want an Ion Accelerator.

>> No.53497792

We got any Inquisition stuff?

>> No.53497796

Understandable, carry on bros.

>> No.53497798

I'm sure no-one is surprised that riptide got a price hike.

>> No.53497802


If I am reading it correctly, their special deployment rule is just renamed Scout from previous editions.

>> No.53497803

>Devilfish with drones
>Skyrays for markerlight/missile support
>Hammerheads to bring the pain
looks fun man

>> No.53497817

It lays to rest all the doom-saying from the cynical people who thought Tau and Eldar were just going to get stronker this edition while Orks and Nids continued to be shit.

Now we have the proof in the pudding that the playtesters did their fucking jobs and its not all just marketing BS.

>> No.53497830
File: 1.78 MB, 1200x1350, 1472001638010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

You are giving them too much credit.

I picture GW meetings like a bunch of people trying to glue together their ideas the night before the deadline

>> No.53497831

>Kroot STILL can't shoot and assault
Why live

>> No.53497838




>> No.53497852
File: 66 KB, 320x448, da fug.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>He really thinks that most of the Tau players are using Riptides

>> No.53497854

no weapon type prevents you from assaulting.

>> No.53497859


Whut? There are no restrictions on charging after rapid firing.

>> No.53497862

Anyone can do that now. You don't need a special permission to charge if you fired your guns.

>> No.53497864

Yes they can. Everyone can now.

>> No.53497865


There's nothing stopping you from charging after shooting Rapid Fire weapons this edition.

Hell you can even shoot Heavy weapons and charge now.

>> No.53497874

All guns can shoot and charge you melon

>> No.53497883

On the off chance you're still around, anything on the "Firesight Marksman"?

>> No.53497886

I'd actually love to see a Guard vs Tau armoured match. Pask vs Longstrike, bring it the fuck on.

>> No.53497902

Most of them are, bruv. You might be one of those special snowflakes who doesn't, but at least around where I am 90% of taufags are running at least 1 Riptide, often 2. I don't see full-on Wings too often though because we don't really make cheesemongers feel welcome in our store, it's a casual environment.

>> No.53497914

They already did that in Mont'ka Pask lost

>> No.53497950

Do we know if the Traitor Legions will have their special rules in the Chaos Index ?
As it's only CSM+Daemons (plus the knight), I find it quite probable, but I'd rather have it confirmed.

>> No.53497954

Does anyone still play Epic 40k?

>> No.53497966

I'm guessing the Battle Cannon and the Demolisher Cannon are going to be the default cheap-o options for their respective tanks, and the variants will be the more expensive upgrades.
Or at least I'm hoping so, since they're both looking pretty mediocre. Potentially decent against elite infantry, MCs, and vehicles, but way too random to be reliable, especially with how good plasma is now.

>> No.53497971

I need a wraithknight and skitarii leak

>> No.53497972

you know what we haven't seen or talked about yet? chariots. also are hammer of wrath attacks gone?

wraithknight also got a price increase i think. also the distort weapons are doing damage rather then mortal wounds (apparently being shot by black holes means you can take an invul?). either way they're still death to anything they shoot

>> No.53497973

I'm not a Tau player but I have 7 of them and only one is actually using riptide - only in competitive games actually and mostly just to show his big boi

>> No.53497974

The only tide I've seen at my store was in another players case half built, my biggest suit is a ghostkeel but everyone even ork players have knights

>> No.53497978

So no more extra attack for 2 CCWs right

>> No.53497989

Do we know how detachments work exactly yet?

>> No.53497992

have 7 of them in my group*

>> No.53497997


They have a dedicated following. A few choice individuals actually make newer, high quality resin versions of new vehicles and equipment, although the Epic 40k community protects them much more tightly than even we protect our recaster's identity. So hard luck finding them without first ingratiating yourself with their eclectic community.

>> No.53498002


Not really. Sisters went down to 9pts,Dominions are 10pts and Seraphim are 11pts.

Act of faith is really one units gets to shoot twice once a turn on a 2+ now. Which isn't amazing but Dominion can fire ten melta guns and still have their scout rule and a more durable rhino.

>> No.53498008

exactly like they do now. Just there are no faction specific detachments, and formations are GONE

>> No.53498018

HoW is now just mortal wounds on 6+ after charge

>> No.53498020

>no more jump-shoot-jump for battlesuits
>no more swapping ammo types for sternguard, you get kraken bolts only and you're going to like it!
>predator front armor easily glanced by boltguns thanks to half-sigmarized to wound rules

GW why

>> No.53498025
File: 163 KB, 446x400, 1495623463153.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

any word on eldar or skitarii yet?

>> No.53498027

Correct, except for when you have a pair of lightningclaws.

>> No.53498036

Depends on the model.

>> No.53498050
File: 45 KB, 408x600, 1495829262191.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

some give command points, some give dont. Theres a detachment for nearly everyone and you can pay a command point to use an "open slot" detachment. Any specific questions?

>> No.53498052

So a huge table of who can join who, or any unit can join whatever? Haven't played since 5th, tried to keep up best I could but that's not happening really well here....I wanna come back for 8th

>> No.53498053

or possibly a better value (see the carnifex)

>> No.53498057



>> No.53498071

Kraken rounds would have been -1 AP. The new sternguard bolter profile is basically a mix of all special ammo they used to have :
>30'' range aka Kraken
>AP -2 aka Vengeance
>New cover rules mean the -2 still reduces cover drastically for low armour troops, aka Dragonfire

Only one that isn't part of it is Hellfire sadly.

>> No.53498085

no more ICs. characters can no longer join units. Most abilities that used to be conferred by joining are now "units of <FACTION> within 6" of the character".
same thing applies to transports ("may tansport up to X <FACTION> models")

>> No.53498086
File: 53 KB, 750x565, 1495826712689.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

I'll post all the detachments I know

>> No.53498098


Looks like my Sorcerer is getting a CombiBolter

>> No.53498099

Everyone can join anyone as long as they have a keyword in common, and most specific is the keyword the better the stratagems you get are

>> No.53498115
File: 55 KB, 750x542, 1495826777532.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53498116

so the exalted chariot could do 4d6 mortal wounds on the charge? this combined with the fast speed (i'm assuming since initiative is gone) and gaining an armor save along with wounds mean this will be very mean.

>> No.53498121

I'm just torn between doing that and doing a kroot force

>> No.53498124

The dominions have to survive a full turn in open, though. Acts of Faith resolve at the start of the turn, and therefore before they climb out of the Immolator. So the shooting act of faith is only for sisters already in the open, and the melee act of faith is for sisters who started their turn already in combat.

Which means the dedicated Melee troops of the sisters can't use it because God knows Repentia aren't living through getting charged/an enemy fighting back

>> No.53498139

Why not a combi-weapon ? Though Combibolters being Rapid Fire 2 isn't bad either.

>> No.53498143

the nuMarine assault marines deal a mortal wound on a 6 on the charge.
the carnifex deals a mortal wound on a 4+ on the charge.

I imagine chariots will be somewhere in between, base, with the exalted chariot being slightly bette

>> No.53498148

chaos point values when?

>> No.53498167

Scarab Sorcerer
No combi options
But AP-2 isn't bad

>> No.53498183

The core detachments and other information can be found here

>> No.53498198


>Combibolters being Rapid Fire 2

Wow I hadn't even thought about that. WTF I love Chaos Terminators now

>> No.53498206
File: 83 KB, 609x548, champion of slaanesh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

fuck, i already built and finished 2 of those damn things (along with 2 smaller chariots) and i swore i would never build another one but now it's really tempting.

>> No.53498209
File: 323 KB, 736x1138, 1493739338741.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Has there been any official canon on how the Primaris marines are seen by the other members of the chapters they have been wedged into?

There is no way you can just churn out some new super super soldiers, throw them into established chapters that have their own hierarchies and traditions while expecting things to go smoothly.

>> No.53498212
File: 77 KB, 780x1040, u1bKDg5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Already ?

>> No.53498213
File: 71 KB, 728x971, u1bKDg5g.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

here you go senpai

>> No.53498220

Why do superheavies get preferential treatment?

>> No.53498229

You will cry when you realize you can no longer take 4 and a lord in a land raider.

gw giveth, gw taketh away

>> No.53498232

I mean for different armies

>> No.53498249

Kroot are infiltrators/snipers mate, they can co-exist. Kroot recon and Armoured support sounds fun and fluffy

>> No.53498254

well you can, you just need to pay for 5 of them

>> No.53498258


>> No.53498266

>Inferno Combi bolter
Don't even need a combi-plasma in that case, lol. That's 4 shots with AP -2 at twelve inch.

Chaos terminators seem to benefit more from the ranged weapon changes than loyalist terminators. A unit of 10 Chaos terminators with combi-plasma's can fire them every single turn now.

>> No.53498281

Why bother with that now when they can Deep Strike with no scatter or mishap or Reserve Roll?

>> No.53498287

There are no faction specific detachments, it was a huge pain in the ass in 7th so we all get generic templates and its for the better imo

>> No.53498310
File: 45 KB, 689x602, 1372802080375.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>I'm sad because this cool model won't be shelved for yet another entire edition of the game

>> No.53498313

assuming every terminator can still take a combi weapon

>> No.53498318
File: 148 KB, 1488x1984, 249485175_37966c7c-00fa-45b6-9d75-b45a3a7b87bc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Today's find. Anybody know what it is? Looks like some sort of Missionary.

>> No.53498319

how do they?

>> No.53498327

Sadly it appears that Kroot cannot take Sniper rounds anymore.

>> No.53498334

except now, unless they've changed up some unit roles, you can no longer make a pure skitarii or harlequin army, because there are no detachments (except for the -1cp aux detachment) with no HQs

detachment with just one choice costs you 1 command point, unless its a superheavy

>> No.53498345

Rosario Muniz (Special character from an old campaign) Look it up

>> No.53498349

It would be good in 7th.

Right now the mechanics force you to be in the OPEN WITH T3 MODELS
Then melee with T3 MODELS WITH A 7+ SAVE

In other words you need to risk your already fragile models so MAYBE you can get the AoF work.

So unless you can use AoF from inside the transport and shoot out of them it is worst than before.

>> No.53498352

Who do they?

>> No.53498354

Yeah but I like randomic weapons

>> No.53498355

Primaris Psyker possibly?

>> No.53498367

but they get ws3+ and their melee weapons give them +1s, so they're back to being a passable melee unit

>> No.53498370
File: 798 KB, 1000x707, 7657807aa3a45cd4f160239a0a6f89f4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]


>> No.53498375

Thats appropriate for a Carnifex.
Its genetically engineered to turn it charges to paste.

>> No.53498385

Chaos demons leaks?

>> No.53498386

Were the battlewagon, trukk and nobz leaks talked about in the last thread real?

>> No.53498395

but is not wargear :(

>> No.53498396

>implying there's an army that isn't the Autistic's Pick™ army

>> No.53498402

Any sign of Daemon points or profiles yet?

>> No.53498404

Cycas are shit in the eighth so no

>> No.53498412


Therese guys get it. Once again, the people who did Sisters half assed the whole thing and didn't even play test anything.

>> No.53498420


Checkmate atheïst

>> No.53498424

PROTIP: Until someone takes a photo of an official page from a book, don't believe a fucking thing you read.

>> No.53498433
File: 80 KB, 350x526, Big Poppa Palpatine.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>mfw I can finally use my Wall of Martyrs defense network, 2 Vengeance Batteries, and Firestorm Redoubt alongside my Emperors Children in a legal game

>> No.53498439

Every time you post this your movement speed decreases by 1"

>> No.53498440

They put both admech factions together and I suspect they'll let some Harley count as an HQ now
The single detachment can be used as a low cost bandaid to patch up a weakness (SoS unit to support Tau ect) whereas the core detachments lack a LoW slot for in general

>> No.53498443

supposedly JUST the battlewagon

>> No.53498468
File: 115 KB, 435x435, 1879839448271.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>The resident autismal at our LFGS, the guy who screams about muslims loudly whenever he's losing, wears a fedora, and weighs the same as some small planetary bodies, bought three of those £105 boxes of nids the same day the new rules went up

>> No.53498491

I really hate how they bumped up minimum unit sizes for a lot of stuff

I don't even have the models for the minimum squads for a lot of these things because I either split them up into very distinct units or converted them into something else.

>> No.53498492

Dammit, how are we suppose to spot the female 40k players now ?!

>> No.53498493

For the trukk it depends
If you mean the one with T5 6+? That was obviously bullshit

>> No.53498512

ELDAR Please!!

>> No.53498514

>They put both admech factions together
but I dont want to play cult mech. (I know that makes me sound whiny, but I started collecting specifically skitarii. They were a valid stand alone army then, I'd like to keep it that way now.)

>> No.53498516

Did you just assume his gender??

>> No.53498520
File: 113 KB, 900x636, tau_xv88_by_lucyreynoldsart-d4z6o6j.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

New support systems looks pretty neat. There is actual competition to take them instead of just spamming EVO.

>> No.53498521

Any ideas what Possessed do?
I want to stick them inside Land Raiders

>> No.53498526



>> No.53498527

>900 posts

>> No.53498533

Ayo, lorefag here. Anyone got a link to the Ravenor omnibus?

It's not in any of the mega archives...

>> No.53498534

I don't get why all the Sisters players are whining so much, acts of faith currently are completely forgettable, literally. I forget to use them in games all the time and it's never cost me a match. Being able to activate a unit more than once in a turn is a pretty huge advantage in a game that only lasts 5 turns, isn't that basically what makes Ynnari so good currently? You can do it to multiple units pontentially and if the imagifier can be taken as the HQ tax then I'll probably be taking 3 or 4.

Also, in terms of immolators and special weapon costs going up, this is the same across all the armies, a standard match is more likely to be 2000 points than 1500. Just a quick run through of the rumoured points costs puts my current army at 2000 points roughly, if I switch things around to get some more command points. I'm really hoping we get a strategem to grant an extra act of faith as well.

Obviously it's not all good, I wish Celestine wasn't such an auto take. Celestians still pretty much suck and somehow repentia are even worse. Seriously, if they cam with regular Eviscerators at the same price they are with their nerfed ones, then they could have been worth taking as giant slayers, but as it is they just don't do enough damage to justify their fragility.

And, for what it's worth at least one of the guys who play tested the army is a long time sisters player.

>> No.53498547
File: 259 KB, 658x553, Photo 06-09-15 9 34 55.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

>but you got MM! and Meltas!

Yes like the past 20 years, my army list has been the basically the same for 10 years.

Mono pose metal models, mono list for ever.

We have been lucky that flamers and meltas have been decent since 5th otherwise it would be total hell.
Not sure if we can survive another half assed rules.

>> No.53498563

What the fuck

>> No.53498569

No Brakes!

>> No.53498571

zum glueck kann ich deutsch

>> No.53498573

You just take the Dominus like in the start collecting box and then you fill the rest of the army with Skitarii

>> No.53498575

I hope you can't so GW can just squat that useless army.

>> No.53498593

are here germans or other europeans who can recommend me a cheap-ish online retailer? dark sphere and triple helix have 15+ GBP shipping..

>> No.53498596

i blame merkel

>> No.53498605

Last thread hit 880 too, might actually be a good idea to just have a rolling 40k thread stickied for this stuff.

>> No.53498615

Have you considered allying sisters with a force that compliments their strengths

>> No.53498621


Triple helix for big purchases is pretty good. Try to buy stuff with friends and split up delivery fees

>> No.53498623


>> No.53498626

>who screams about muslims loudly whenever he's losing
lmao story time

>> No.53498644

cant find the page but rules say you can use less than minimum models but you still have to pay at least minimum (but you can save points by not buying wargear for non-existent units), fluff it out as one of the guys dying and maybe have the surviving bros each carry something of his

>> No.53498647

In other words he's one of the bandwagoning faggots who only buys armies they think are FotM, not a real nid player.

>> No.53498658

die frau kommt aus deutschland, ich musste dann halt diese scheiss sprache lernen.

>> No.53498677

okay next thread you got a deal

>> No.53498683

The main advantage I see is, if vehicles can use act of faith, having the Imagifiers wave the start flag for the Great Immolator Race. Immolators getting free movement, followed by unloading their contents, followed by the Immolator moving full speed and the heavy flamer Retributors that were inside moving their full speed + advancing, has a very real chance of getting multiple immolators and their contents into range turn 1 on smaller tables.

>> No.53498694


>> No.53498710

The main issue with SoB is having the same bloody list for years.

Mind you it is a good list, but still the same crap.

They can deal with vehicles and troops no problem, struggle a bit against high T and multi wound models. But nothing a suicide squad of psykers/acolytes with plasma could not solve.

That I why I wonder if people like >>53498534 ever actually play with SoB.

>> No.53498716
File: 65 KB, 2000x1000, o-SHIA-LABEOUF-facebook.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Page ten (10)
New bread when (when)

>> No.53498721

What do we know about Grey Knights, lads?

>> No.53498725

I'm with >>53498626 - we need a story.

>> No.53498729

Hoho. Eigentlich ist die Sprache in sich nicht schlecht, hab nur ein bissle Spass gemacht.

>> No.53498740

>struggle a bit against high T and multi wound models
Not anymore now that Melta affects everything

>> No.53498747

927 posts.

We're busy today.

>> No.53498758


thanks, ill try to find someone to split the bill.

any other recommendations? What about waylandgames?

>> No.53498763


new thread

>> No.53498766

Force weapons do D3 damage

Stormbolters are Rapid Fire 2

>> No.53498775

new bread

>> No.53498791

Practically nothing except that they all have a psychic power which works like Smite except it does only 1 Mortal Wound against non-Daemons and always does 3 against Daemons, rather than D3 vs everybody.

Core rule changes help them a ton, though. 2 Wound Terminators, new Deep Strike rules, no swinging last with hammers, stormbolters have more dakka, etc.

>> No.53498833

Yah but still going to run the same list, minus the Immolator due to how costly point wise they are.

>so you been playing BSS with flamers and Dominion with meltas for years?
>here do it again!
>buy Celestine in case you didn't, it is mandatory to function.

In all honesty I just wanted a reliable Repentias or PE, hell just a non useless Celestians.

>> No.53498834


Kroot hounds can be taken as independent units at 4 points per model, are 12 inch move and are cheapo horde assault chaff.

So basically, Kroot hound spam for blocking, tarpitting, counter charging and distractions is the new tau meta.

>> No.53498857


>>53498534 here, I've been playing since their 3rd edition chapter approved list. The codexes since Witch Hunters have been a bit boring and monobuild, but they've not been bad.

>> No.53498918


M8" S6 T6 W12
Heavy Psycannon 24" S7 -1 2 damage
Psylencer Heavy 6 S4 1d3 damage.

>> No.53498953
File: 142 KB, 1600x1600, IMG-20160825-WA0001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Ok gut, dann bist du in ordnung.

>> No.53498995


I've heard their delivery is shit. The only reseller I ever used is triplehelix and they delivered everything in time and well packaged.

>> No.53499172

Still no Daemons?

>> No.53499213
File: 216 KB, 738x515, IMG_3788.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]

Finally they can see a return to the tabletop

>> No.53499330



>> No.53499479

i don't speak fraunglish

>> No.53499665


thank god I didnt buy new models for my TS last month. I guessed something like that would happen.

Name (leave empty)
Comment (leave empty)
Password [?]Password used for file deletion.