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Grognards eternally BTFO edition

>Space marines are Ork Tier!
>We only have 4 viable ways to run our army!
>Please ignore that these 4 ways can basically cover every sort of unit in the codex
-an autist
>previous thread
>>52330136
Time for 8th edition and space marine fags are furious about it

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>> No.52333667
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First for the Silent King!

>> No.52333715

What's going to happen to Psykers in 8th edition?

>> No.52333716
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52333716

Ready for a new, fit and newbie-friendly wh41k?

>> No.52333735

>>52333667
>ywn shut down a necron tomb world by accident and then bang Amberly the Inquisitor.

>> No.52333743
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52333743

First for the black city, may it be an eternal hellhole populated by demons and assholes.

>> No.52333763

>>52333735
How does one even shut down a tomb world? I mean, they worked for 60 million years, and I don't suppose they have an on-off switch...

>> No.52333765
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52333765

7th for Death Guard

>> No.52333766

Do you guys think a good gunline is the key to getting the most use out of Guilliman?

>> No.52333775
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10h for stop making fucking threads at page 6

>> No.52333780

>>52333765

Worst daemon primarch

Think about it, you're below Lorgar

>> No.52333786
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52333786

What should I do with the remaining 50 points here? Should I drop the 4/heavy marines from my tac squad and go for something else?

Also, I haven't used bike squads much so I don't know if mine looks good or not.

Chaplain with the bikes, librarian with the devastators for prescience

>> No.52333791

Thanks GW for jeopardizing my livelihood as a commission painter with this shit

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>>52333743
Guess the inhabitants of the black city have been charged, and/or just tried stopping the first to charge with their poison weapons.

>> No.52333807

>>52333766
Kind of, but that's only half of it. You want a bulk of Ultramarines to take advantage of his command bonuses, but you'll also want a Geomancy psyker to lift up the ruins they're all parked in so you can advance Rowboat and your army forward at once.

>> No.52333849

>>52333786
Assuming you haven't bought yet and aren't super desperate for something to paint, I'd say just hold off until we know where things are gonna land.

Any list you build now may wind up entirely different in a couple months.

>>52333791
How many of the grognards super bothered by this were the ones to pay for their models painted anyway, outside a few WAAC fags that didn't wanna look like they just bought the new hotness?

>> No.52333875

>>52333780
Thats why I said Death Guard not Mortarion

>> No.52333881

>>52333849
Fair enough, the only models I don't have are the bikes. (I have some from dark vengeance but they aren't painted)

I would really like to get to play soon though, I have been trying to forever.

I'll make something with what I have.

How long until people get an idea on 8e?

>> No.52333923

I am making a harlequin and dark eldar ynari army with a lot of deep striking. Should I add a autarch (my only craftworld eldar) for reserve manipulation? I am thinking about giving him a jetbike laser lance and banshee mask and having him lead a bunch of khymera.

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>>52333578

>> No.52333938

>>52333807
Welp, looks like I'm taking a trip to the library then.

For a little context I've been wanting to start space marines for a while and thought I might as well get Guilliman. For me starting out, it's nice to have a cheap (plan on selling Voldus and Cypher off [they might have neat models but I wouldn't benefit from having them that much]) way to fill in 350 points worth of list. So in essence I'm just starting off collecting Space Marines and am trying to figure out what to get.


p.s. As said a gun line would probably be better, but independent of that how are Stormtalons? I personally find them rather cool (I know I probably don't speak for a lot of people there).

>> No.52333944

>>52333716
Yep, definitely. Sick of flipping through 100 pages of rules

>> No.52333962
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52333962

What color is on this Grot.

>> No.52333979

>>52333962
A shit one
>>52333944
>flipping through 100 pages of rules
Autists will defend this

>> No.52333985

>>52333962
That's green mate. Greenish yellow if you wanna get fancy.

>> No.52333992

The only people upset are Eldarfags.
>Inititive nerf
>The only place they can go is down

I think we should all agree that Eldarfags should all be tortured to death.

>> No.52334005

>>52333962
Grotling green

>> No.52334016

>>52333875
What's wrong with Mortarion? I get that he doesn't get shit done, but still, he's about to.

>> No.52334019

>>52333979
>flipping through 100 pages of rules
>Autists will defend this
No, autists will learn the rules.

>> No.52334036

>>52334019
And then they will defend them

>> No.52334038

>>52333791

"Hello? Commissioner? Yeah, I'm going to need you to de-base that entire project you said was 75% complete and put them on square bases."

>> No.52334039

>>52333992
Dark eldar is very frail and needs initiative to stay alive. Same thing with demonettes of slannesh.

>> No.52334058

>>52334016
ONE
SHOT

>> No.52334063

>>52333715

Hopefully the psychic phase will go the way of AoS, too.

>> No.52334091

>>52334058
ONE
OPPORTUNITY

>> No.52334096

>>52334019
>Wasting time on learning a clusterfuck of useless overdeveloped rules
Yeah, something to be proud of

>> No.52334102

>>52333938
Stormtalons can operate pretty independently. In my experience they tent to be pretty good at supporting your army by taking out some of the harder targets the enemy might have. I've seen one take out my landraider before by immobilizing it in a bad spot.

Aside from that, the key thing to keep in mind with Guilliman is that he's slow. A Librarian using Fulmination or Geomancy has psychic powers that can make up for that. Depending on your meta though, you may not need to go that far.

The thing to keep in mind with any sort of gunline with it is that Guilliman's main benefits are a 12" bubble. That's a lot of space you can cover, and it doesn't all need to be clumped up and stationary. You can have Devastators hang back while Guilliman moves forward with tacticals or other units.

>> No.52334110

>>52334091
>>52334058
I don't catch your meaning

>> No.52334122

>>52334019
I just pirate it and use CTRL + F

>> No.52334132

>>52334096
Noone mentioned pride.

If you don't like the game, dont't play it.

>> No.52334134

>>52334110
Mortarion's greatest feat is being defeated by Draigo with a single blow.

>> No.52334140

>>52334110
No idea what he meant but I was quoting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z2EYPFzYck

>> No.52334144

>>52333992
Except Eldar are probably going to end up having 9" movement by default, so they'll be even more impossible to charge.

Plus, all the WAAC Eldar use things like jetbikes, Scythe Wraithguard, Wraithknights, and Warp Spiders that won't ever be charged anyway.

This hurts Tyranids (specifically genestealers), Dark Eldar, and Slaanesh units far more, since those are actual close combat units that rely on high initiative to get anything done.

>> No.52334154

>>52333992
>Bringing back movement speeds
>Thinking you will ever be able to charge Eldar

>> No.52334155

>>52334134
>Draigo

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>>52333849
These are all models that I have, I don't know how viable it would be though. It doesn't seem to have a lot of cohesion.

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52334216

Tabletop Simulator-Anon - if you are lurking, I'm still waiting for any army files. If you have anything to upload, I would be grateful

>> No.52334234

>>52334154
>Eldar Guardian
>M12
>Battle Focus

>> No.52334309

the next few weeks will be a gold mine on ebay

>> No.52334328

>>52334155
Time to change that?

>> No.52334344

Taking my models (and cheat sheet on stats etc) to the LGS today for my first game.
Anything I should be super aware of, before I start?

>> No.52334348

>>52334344

Tau and Eldar players.

>> No.52334371

>>52334328
Draigo is a bad joke

>> No.52334373

>>52333763
Iirc they placed detonation charges at every portal. Then due to commissar shenanigans the orks chased his unit into a tunnel leading to the hibernating necrons.

>> No.52334382

>>52334371
I meant Mortarion. Time to make him liked?

>> No.52334386

>>52334348
and Necron players

>> No.52334401

>>52334344
What are you running Anon?

>> No.52334410

Do the rulebooks ever sell out early on? Like should I preorder it when I can or will it be safe to just go to my local GW to pick it up?
New to 40k if you can't tell.

>> No.52334417

>>52334216
I'm still here, but I don't think I could upload those files since they're just the Workshop things. Don't know where those would be saved since I can't find anything in my Steam folder nor my Documents folder.

Let me put together a collection of the stuff I have for 40k. It's like 80 mods, with maps and shit.

>> No.52334423

>>52334386
>>52334348
>>52334344
Skitari and Cult Mehcanicus.

Knight army.

Space Marine free transport boogaloo.

Wulfen spam.

>> No.52334426

>>52334410

Only limited edition ones sell out immediately.

>> No.52334430

Can daemons think? An anon posted some fluff about how tyranids are the least evil force because what they do is based on instinct and hunger. But arent daemons similar in goal and construction in that they have no free will and are just manifestations of something much greater than themselves?

>> No.52334434

/40kg/, tell me about YOUR DUDES

Why are they so special to you? Any great moments on the table top with them?

>> No.52334441

>>52334410
When it's announced just ask your store to order one for you if you want to be absolutely safe.

Normally shouldn't run out too quickly, though. GW knows how many they'll need to print and will probably keep printing at full force for a while.

>> No.52334446

>get excited and start building CSM finally
>magnetize about 10 dudes with a few guns
>realize I have no transports and lose all interest
>start thinking about my unassembled deldar I've acquired between SC! and other buys
>5 raiders, 2 boxes of wyches, 3 boxes of kabalites, 1 box of scourges, 2 boxes of Reavers, 1 venom, 2 Archons, and 1 succubus
>realize wyches are absolute trash and don't have enough special weapons for trueborn and scourges

Kill me

>> No.52334451

>>52334423
>Space Marine free transport boogaloo.

BATTLE GRAV-I MEAN BATTLE COMPANY IS A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY AND FOR ONLY THE MOST GENTLEMANLY PATRICIANS, I SAY, SIRRAH!

>> No.52334454

>>52334164
Anyone have any tips? I'd like to be able to play a real game soon at LGS

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>>52334382
Sure. The game proper hasn't really done anything with him before.

>> No.52334459

>>52334423

Wait are Knight armies considered as annoying as Tau/Eldar? I recently got back into 40k and I'm really feeling the idea of 5 Knights.

>> No.52334466

>>52334417
Alright, I will monitore this thread and the next ones - thank you

>> No.52334497

>>52334430
Yes. Although the degree to which they can varies greatly between types of daemons and they're still ultimately slaves to their nature.

>> No.52334503

>>52334434
Iron warriors are my dudes

One time I made a guy rage because I anhillated his riptide with my las predator battery. Fun times although I went on to lose that game by 2 points

>> No.52334511

>>52334426
>>52334441
Thanks guys.

>> No.52334514

>>52334091
SEIZE EVERYTHING YOU EVER WANTED

>> No.52334515

>>52334434
I play Carcharodons. They've gotten really popular lately. I guess everyone likes them because of their brutality and edgy lore and their character's Xzibit weapons, but the reason I picked them is a lot dumber and simpler: their black shoulders and white mouthplates looked good and had high contrast. They also are more melee based.

They usually don't do too well but if Tyberos gets activated and manages to charge something again, he will wreck face. I've taken out multiple Knights and Riptides with a Blood Hunger activated Tyberos if they fail one too many invuln saves.

When they released the Leviathan Dreadnought I wept with joy because he is literally Tyberos in Dreadnought form, even including the uncontrollable berserker movement.

>> No.52334521

>>52334446
Reading things like this and sometimes seeing pics of hundreds of dollars of boxed unassembled shit always makes me groan...the only unpainted minis I own are the wips on my table.

>> No.52334531

>>52334459
Games with Imperial Knights go one of three ways

>Opponent has well-rounded army with very little anti-tank
>Stomp and blast across the table as they can't take out 5 superheavy walkers with their list

>Opponent has a very swarmy list focused on objectives
>Army hides in cover from knights all game and just slowly builds up points thanks to objective secured

>Opponent knows you're taking knights, makes sure every unit in his army can do something against them
>Lose, because the list has enough anti-tank to kill you

It's a very coin-flip way of playing. Either your opponent has enough anti-tank and will murder your handful of models, or they don't and they have to struggle to hold onto objectives.

>> No.52334536

>>52334459

They aren't as broken strong, but if your army isn't prepared for them you have no way of damaging/killing them while they do decent amount of damage to you back, every turn, without taking any casualties. Each game your army gets smaller and smaller while their 3-5 Knights continue to stomp around.

The trade off is they automatically lose to anti-vehicle armies like Sisters of Battle.

>> No.52334565

>>52334454
That list seems fine. Not an optimized tourney list by any means, but you should do fine in friendly games. The extra Devastator Marines are the first thing I'd drop for something else if you're looking to make changes.

>> No.52334567

>>52334446
Why do people buy random shit instead of focusing on 1 army

>> No.52334568

>>52334515
Sounds fucking cool man. I might get a renegade knight for running two avenger getting cannons. Will people hate me for my S6 Ap3 heavy 24 rending madress?

>> No.52334575

>>52334401
Dangle side of DV.
Not a fancy kit, just hoping to learn a little.

>> No.52334582

>>52334536
This

1 to 2 is fine but saturation has always been the bane of 40k comp scene

>> No.52334589

>>52334567
Because there's lots of cool stuff in this game.

I have a similar problem of starting new armies, though I at least aim to get them at 1000 points for a solid force before I move onto something else.

>> No.52334598

>>52334565
I don't want it to be a tourney list, just want to be as viable as I can be without sacrificing using IF, and using units I like.

If I dropped the extra devs what should I add?

>> No.52334602

>>52334459
I don't know how you'd walk into a LGS with 5 Knights and keep a straight face.

The awkwardness when you find a game and start unloading your shit will cause some to leave, most to not try the entire game, and the rest will quickly list tailor

>> No.52334603

>>52334134

No, it's his metamorphosis into a spineless hypocrite during HH which eventually led to Nurgle simultaneously raping every orifice of DG, both figuratively and practically and going full Stockholm's mode after this

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>>52334434
My AdMech dudes are Archmagos Tolra Darus and his chucklefucks from Aldris VII

They're a Forge World tasked with restoring and prototyping any reclaimed blueprints for Mars and their allied Forge Worlds. They're also surrounded by several systems full of Orks that have been in a constant siege with their World, only able to survive for that long by getting to test the ancient tech they're working on against the poor Orks. Due to that long-ass time of surviving, the Orks have turned to the habit of acknowledging that "Da metal boyz fix everyfing" and made it a competition to try and challenge them. Because of that sentiment, the Orks are directly influencing the research and development Aldris VII does, actually helping them (unknowingly to both sides) with their prototypes. The catch is, due to the Ork influence 'fixing' things after basically just slapping some screws into a metal box, these prototypes work wonders on-planet but, as soon as they leave system for Mars, fall apart. Since Darus has no idea that the prototypes themselves never worked to begin with, he's constantly suspecting Ork sabotage mid-flight and has serious anger problems towards them for always messing with his work and preventing him from getting a promotion and enough support to clean the sector of Orks. That has gone far enough to now have him go to the field himself and challenge any Ork Warboss setting foot on the planet to smash their heads in with his Power Mace.

Pic related is a (somewhat outdated because the Kataphrons and other 5 Skitarii are finished) image of my first batch of dudes. Currently building the Archmagos and painting up some more Skittles.

>> No.52334611

>>52334567

Altoholics
ADHD

Or maybe you and I are just autistic and hyper focus on a single thing.

>> No.52334620

>>52334575
I should add I'm hoping someone will let me proxy a tac marine as a sgt, so I can run it as two troops of 5 and make it battleforged in a CAD.

>> No.52334630

>>52334598

Quad Mortars

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>>52333578
S-sorry

>> No.52334639

>>52334620
Paint the helmet different and you're gold.

>> No.52334646

>>52334605
Fucking hell. You've inspired me to make a homebrew skitarii forge world

I love it man. And I love your models. They look so nice.

>> No.52334647

>>52334620

There is literally no difference between a tactical marine with no upgrades and a bolter sergeant with no upgrades. Literally none. They are the exact same model. Just paint a stripe on his helmet and he's a sergeant.

>> No.52334650

>>52334620
There are people who don't do anything with their Sargent's anon. It's irrelevant unless you get psychic screamed

>> No.52334653

>>52334466
No sweat, gonna post it later.

Lemme just finish taking a shit and watch this anime episode to the end first, then I'll get right on it.

>> No.52334666

>>52334630
I don't think I know what that is, I am pretty new.

>> No.52334679

>>52334646
Thanks mate, glad people like them.

Painting that much white is such a giant pain in the ass though, my god these Skitarii take forever.

>> No.52334698

>>52334650
>>52334647

Sweet. I thought they started with different wargear.

>> No.52334699

>>52333944
Use the wiki.

>> No.52334703

>>52333763
>How does one even shut down a tomb world?
Well, I do remember this one time a Necron Lord gave an Ork Warboss 30 Necron Doomsday Cannon Barges (aka Black hole cannon) as payment to leave his Tomb World alone.

Unfortunately, the moment said Warboss's Mekboys cracked open those cannons, the whole planet went bye-bye.

Does that count as shutting down a Tomb World? Could be wrong on the world Orks imploded via miniature black hole, but it's been a long time since I've seen that piece of lore...

>> No.52334707

>>52334589
This. I'd happily drown in grey plastic crack, if I had the money. Not that I had finished the ones I already have, but it's just so nice to have them. And the day may come, when I'll finally build them all. And then some more.

>> No.52334710

>>52334679
Yeah I was thinking some sort of a lava world like the one from star wars episode 3. My dudes will be dark red and black with blue eyes. God I'm gonna get hyped.

>> No.52334731

>>52334707
>grey plastic crack
my sides

>> No.52334740

>>52334698
Space Marines aren't an upgrade heavy army.

>> No.52334757

>>52334703
Sounds like some really obscure lore. Why would a Necron Lord with doomsday weapons out the ass give them away to some orks as a bribe, and not just use them against the orks?

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>>52334666
He's talking about this thing, which is a Forgeworld only model, but is pretty good and is indeed exactly 60 points. It's a good option.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/RapierQuadMortar40k.pdf

If you want a normal plastic alternative you might consider spending the points on a Razorback for your Devs or a Landspeeder of some sort.

>> No.52334785

>>52334710
Sounds like a pretty cool idea and awesomely edgy paint scheme.

Just make sure there's something to make the scheme *pop* a bit. Lava bases and dark red/black models might be a bit too much dark once the army has grown a bit. Something simple like making the base's red/orange parts really shine and not just red lines on black ground.

>> No.52334794

>>52334740
>muh grav

>> No.52334799

>>52334777
I have a mortis dreadnought, but am afraid to use FW lists as I might get bitched at.

I can take out some devs and the vindicator for a termy librarian if that would help

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>>52334515
>Carcharodons

My teina.

Here, have an old pic of my latest additions. I'm putting the finishing touches on them tomorrow.
The new rumored rules give me hope I can run a proper assault army.

>> No.52334811

>>52334799
If someone bitches at you for bringing shit ass dreadnaughts then you need to stop playing the Tyranid player.

>> No.52334820

>>52334799
No. You probably don't want to reduce your tankbusting any more than it is. That's why I suggested the Razorback or Speeder. A Multi-Melta Attack Bike would also be an option.

>> No.52334825

>>52334785
Yeah. I'm not sure if I should go fot rangers or vanguards. Are radium cancer guns better than the latter for rangers?

>> No.52334862

>>52334757
>Why would a Necron Lord with doomsday weapons out the ass give them away to some orks as a bribe, and not just use them against the orks?
>implying the 'crons don't know the greenskins always mess with tech they get and gave the Orks the weapons knowing they'd end up killing themselves
My guess is the Lord just wanted to be left alone and bet on the idea the Meks would start tinkering with their new toys AFTER they left his Tomb World...

>> No.52334865

>>52334521

I groan, too, and it's my shit. Don't worry.

I want to go ahead and really make headway, but I just, I don't know. Right now, I can't decide which I want to work on more, and then I just sort of evade the whole thing until shit just piles up over time.

>>52334567

My main army is more or less on hold because I literally can't get the shit I need from GW because they grossly underestimate the popularity of Sisters. I can easily run 2000 points because I've been playing them for 10 years, but I need a few more immolators to round things out properly.

I wanted to do a side army and you know, work with fucking plastic for a change, and couldn't decide. I slowly built up a bit of both after getting various deals and have 2 piles of shit.

I honestly don't know which I want to work on more. I'm thinking Deldar, partially because I wanted to play them in 5th but didn't have the money, and partially because I have the transports and shit. The problem is wyches really are just terrible, and of course I don't have the weapons I need because you only get one of each per kabalite/scourge box.

>> No.52334887

So my freshly minted Scion army is going straight in the trash or will 8th edition not fuck that up?

>> No.52334933

>>52334825
Rad guns are way better. Each of them wounds as much as a Bolter does on average while also having the chance to wound ANYTHING. Enough of them can kill everything in the game no matter the toughness. Their toughness-reduction rule also is a huge help against melee attackers and evens the playingfield. Being 10 points cheaper to boot, it's barely a competition.

Do keep in mind that 18" range is very short, so having only Vanguards is sub-optimal, even with Crusader. Keep a Ranger squad or two around for good measure and to cap objectives. 30" Boltguns are nice to have. Also, avoid the Arquebus. It's sadly a very bad weapon.

>> No.52334935

>>52334887
You'll probably need to make adjustments like everyone else, but it should still be legal.

>> No.52334946

>>52334887
No clue.

>> No.52334949

>>52334430
Yes. A daemon develops a personality and free will over time and through merit, once it does enough, a Herald is born. However, the Daemon does hold close to their patron god

>> No.52334974
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>>52334434

Brotherhood of NOD themed Scions army. A secretive Schola from a ashen nuclear winter world covered in a strange but incredibly valuablr green crystalline resource that venerates their now long vanished prophet who foretold the coming of the Emperor. Who they believe will come again in the great cataclysm that will come to man. They focus on fast guerrilla style ambushes using elite troops while the rank and file crash upon the enemy in an endless Hellrain. The Commissars known as Confessors ensure loyalty to their prophet and the Emperor by ensuring that fanatical devotion brings fury to the enemies of the Brotherhood.

KAN-...THE EMPEROR LIVES!

>> No.52334976

>>52334887
It will probably be just fine. They are recent models, there is no way they'll just get rid of them. The worst that could happen is that you're consolidated into the Guard codex along with other T3 hummies and it will be some sort of humanity codex and you have the option to take a pure Scion army within.

The morale differences don't mess with Scions much. After all, Scions are all about small 5 man squads doing one thing, then dying.

>> No.52335001
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>>52334820
Sadly I don't have those models, and as pointed out, it doesn't make sense to go buy them witn 8e coming out soon.

Are IF devastators with krak missiles not enough anti tank?

Here is what I moved for more anti tank, drop some tacticals and the grav cannon and one devastator.

Pick up chainfists and librarian for librarius buffs


I don't mind buying some bikes if we think they won't be damn near useless after 8e drops

>> No.52335004

>>52334933
I might as well start off by picking up the skitarii codex and a squad of vanguard. I'll get the start collecting after I've painted my dudes

>> No.52335007

While new Death Guard stuff is neat, Im really hoping we get some updated vanilla Chaos space marine models

>> No.52335014

>>52334974

There really is no way to make those dumb trucks look good, is there?

>> No.52335018

I hope the gorkanaut gets better

>> No.52335055

>>52335001
Again, I think either of those is good enough for friendly games. It would probably be more instructive for you to just play with the models you've got so you can learn yourself through firsthand experience.

>> No.52335056

>>52335014
I like them, I'm just mad Tauroxs were an unnecessary addition. If they were open topped, or at least the normal ones were, they would be great. Shotgun vet squads being able to assault out would be amazing. It would make Straken and 3 Bullgryn with a Priest pretty okay assault units too if they were open topped.

Instead they are not open topped and very okay.

>> No.52335060
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52335060

>>52334466
Here you go friendo, everything I have.

Includes a whole lot of maps, extra items like cards and templates and all armies, some possibly even as duplicates.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=889822924

>> No.52335071

>>52335014
I think they're just too tall. For as boxy as most things in the game are, most of them are pretty wide or flat.

>> No.52335082

>>52335055
Fair enough

>> No.52335083

>>52335004
Yeah, Start Collecting + Skitarii squad is a good idea and gives a ton of stuff.

I'd personally hold off on the Codex, since 8e is right around the corner and they'll most likely be rolled together in some capacity with Cult Mechanicus.

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52335091

>>52335071
Indeed. Like best truck here.

>> No.52335116

>>52335083
Sounds fair enough. I'll just roll with the squad and start collecting no problem then

>> No.52335128

>>52335091
Yeah, the Goliath's a good example of what I mean. It's wider and closer to the ground than the Taurox, which helps it look stable. The large towers and platforms on the back don't look as out of place and huge on it, and even then it has the perfect explanation since it's a repurposed mining truck, not a military transport.

The Taurox just has a massively tall profile and feels like it'll tip over at the slightest bump.

>> No.52335151

I'm a relatively new player (I joined the hobby in August 2016), and was wondering if you guys would mind explaining how the rules changes might affect my army.

I play as the Black Templars, and prefer to play fluffy/casual games. My list reflects this, containing multiple large melee focused crusader squads.

Given what we know so far, how 8th likely to affect my army?

>> No.52335178

>>52335014

I think the conversion kits (4x4, 6x6, or Half-Track) go a long way to improving them significantly. They do ride high but it's also a MRAP knockoff.

>> No.52335189

>>52335151
The simple fact is we don't know. Nobody knows how much is going to change in 8e. The only things we've seen are a couple of IDEAS for new rules. You'll just have to wait and see.

You shouldn't worry though. Everyone is going to get affected to some extent, but odds are if you prefer fluff/casual play, you'll be much better off anyways.

>> No.52335195

>"WAAAH GW I CAN'T PLAY THIS GAME SO YOU SHOULD CHANGE IT SO THAT I CAN!" - ADD faggots
>"Yes, this is a good idea" - GW
fuck

>> No.52335197

>>52335151
Hard to say exactly. The good news for you is that GW has always tried to be nice to Marine players and their rules are quickly updated to work well with a new edition. I wouldn't worry too much.

>> No.52335199

>>52334459
Oh, hello! Wanna play a game? I brought a balanced 2000 points of equal parts infantry, tanks, and flyers and an approximately equal amount of anti-infantry, and anti-tank; and some anti air!

Okay! Here's my army: 5 mini-titans with AV13 armor. Half your army now exists only to be stepped on by my guys. Happy fun time!

>> No.52335209

>>52334132
If you don't like the new rules don't play the game

>> No.52335210

>>52333944
>i can only read 4 pages of text before my brain falls out

>> No.52335212

>>52334636
She's beautiful, anon.

>> No.52335217
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>>52335055

I have this old list that got shat on, but it's units that I have. Think this will be good enough to learn with? I like the fluff of the formation.

>> No.52335226

>>52335151
No idea how we will fare. Though given that they said Chargers will go first in combat, combined with the changed morale rules, will be a pretty big benefit for our 20-man blobs.

As long as they don't outright drop Black Templars as a whole (which I wouldn't be surprised by considering how much GW shafted them these past years), things should probably improve quite a bit for fluffy Templars lists.

>> No.52335235

>>52335151
The answer to your question is since you play light and fluffy games, new edition will have zero effect on you as has always been the case with past edition changes.

>> No.52335238
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52335238

>mfw I find myself thinking about Diggas while at work today
>Remember the Blood Axes were literally breeding human cannon fodder aka Digga-lite in The Beast Arises novels
>Blood Axes are probably still doing this
>'Digga herderz' start complain their humies aren't "da best ones fer makin' da stronger Diggas"
>The zoggin', humie-using gits find out about the Sororitas and how badass they are
>I think you can all guess where this extremely heretical storyline is going

...Wot da zog did Slaanesh do to my brain today?

>> No.52335245

>>52335226
>BT no longer consolidate towards the enemy
explain this change wtf

>> No.52335251
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52335251

>>52335014
Give them wheels and it's a pretty normal MRAP.

>> No.52335269

>>52334887
Well that depends, are you retarded or not retarded? If you're retarded then the only logical thing to do is sell your army

>> No.52335281

>>52335226
The new morale rules will punish Black Templars for getting to use their chapter tactics. If neophytes die to overwatch like you want them to so you get rage, you'll have to add those deaths to the running total for the entire turn to see if more dudes from your squad just get removed.

>> No.52335289
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52335289

>>52335245
But anon, we have a Warlord Trait for that :^)

;_;

>> No.52335300

>>52335281
And they shall know no battle shock tests

>> No.52335313

>>52333807
>>52334102
Thanks for the advice man (or people if you're different)!

>> No.52335315

>GW re-uploaded the Death Guard trailer
>removed the 7th legion line
"I-It's Nurgle's number" apologists BTFO!

>> No.52335325

>>52335281
On the other hand, you won't have 20-man blobs dart back and forth near your table edge because some Neophytes died.

It's a two-edged sword, really. Will be easier to get into combat but harder to survive.

Good thing we have our hero Grimaldus to keep Morale high and extra saves available for those kinds of army constellations.

>> No.52335358

Anyone have an epub of Fire Caste? I couldn't find one on any of the Megas.

>> No.52335359

>>52335315
They even admitted to the mistake on fb.

>> No.52335365

Jesus christ, plastic crack really is a good nickname for this bullshit

Just got back into it less than two weeks ago and I already bought start collecting sets for SM and Skitarii, an SM drop pod squad, a triumvirate of the Imperium, canoness veridyan, a squad of sisters of silence vigilators, and the age of sigmar starter kit

I'm gonna be going hungry the month that GW puts plastic sisters up for pre-order, that's for damn sure

>> No.52335396

>>52335281
Hey, anon who asked about how 8th edition will affect Templars here.

I did look at how morale is probably going to work, and your prediction did cross my mind.

I imagine that, if they keep Chapter Tactics, they will probably make it so that the Templars aren't as badly affected by model losses.

Of course, they might just completely fuck us over.

>> No.52335409

>>52335365
The starter kits are pretty good deals.

>> No.52335421
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52335421

I just want to play with my Wyches again.

>> No.52335422
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52335422

What would you say the citadel colors for this would be? Was thinking -
Waaagh flesh
Mournfang brown
Abaddon black
Ushabati bone
Sound about right to y'all?

>> No.52335428

>>52335212
Thank you very much, anon!

>> No.52335446

>>52335289
>you might get to play BT in a fluffy way
>might
;_;

Please let me through the Golden Gate, Deus Imperator. I have served my time in hell.

>> No.52335456
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>>52334636

>> No.52335481

>>52335325
Speaking of good 'ol Chaplain (metal as fuck) Grimaldus, I really hope that he gets a new model in the Ghaskgull campaign that's been hinted at.

I also hope that they let both him and his servitors join a unit; he's rendered much less effective if he's forced to stand alone.

>> No.52335484

>>52334605
Are those blue areas painted on or glazed?

>> No.52335485

>>52334636
I liked the Hollow skull detail.
And the blush.
And eyes...
And... I think I'm in love.

>> No.52335494

>>52335365
I know what you mean man. when I started playing this shit 15 years ago I was too young to have disposable income, and the boxed sets they release now are just superb, I can't stop buying stuff.

>> No.52335496

>>52335422
Not going to question your skill, but you really want to paint a camo pattern like this onto a 28mm dude? I certainly wouldn't be able to do desu

>> No.52335497

>>52335456
I want to make a sister of battle soon.

>> No.52335528

>>52335481
I just hope he gets to be at least str 6 in melee. It seriously bothers me that templar heroes are pathetic on the table top. Helbrecht is fucking str 4 with an ap 3 sword for christ sake, literally weaker than a captain

>> No.52335541

>>52335422
Abaddon Black
Gorthor Brown
Warboss Green
Ogryn Camo

>> No.52335543

>>52335269

Come on man you know most of us are retarded. Why would you even ask that? Are you retarded?

>> No.52335544
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52335544

>>52335446
But you could also run the Wrathful Crusade for fluff and make the Captain your Marshal Warlord!

That way only 1 Warlord trait will be completely useless, 1 will be useless if the enemy has no Psykers, 1 will be half-useless because you get Zealot already and Fearless to Zealot is not a big difference and the rest will be super fluffy and useful! :D

;_;

>>52335481
A new model for him would be cute, even if I really adore his old on in full metal. Only one I'm still missing from their characters is Helbrecht, but I'll probably wait for 8e before that.
>tfw sharpened my metal Emp's Champ's sword to the point of being able to cut paper
Nobody at my store dares to pick him up anymore and it's hilarious

>>52335484
I glazed them. 2 layers Guilliman Blue, 1 Layer Somethinhunters Green (don't remember the name and can't be arsed to search the paint) and another Guilliman Blue layer.

>> No.52335548
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52335548

How's my entry level Ynnari list?

I don't want it to be too broken, I just want to have some fun with the new army before 8e arrives and changes the playing field

>> No.52335550
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>>52335238
>Orks manage to capture a bunch of SoB and makes them 'Digga Wives'
..... Fucked up thing is, this scenario is almost somehow preferable to the Khornate Knight shit Matt "MUH SPIRITUAL LIEGE" Ward pulled a couple editions ago.

At least the Sisters would be alive and could potentially kill their way out of being a 'Digga Wife' as opposed to being FUCKING BLOOD RUNE PAINT BECAUSE REASONS.

Seriously, I'm not even a Sisters player and that shit still gets under my skin.

Apologies to all Sisters players for bringing that incident up again.

>> No.52335559

>>52335548
Autarch runs with Incubi and they get in the Raider by the way

>> No.52335572

>>52335528
There's also the cute factor of
>Rechlusiarch and High Chaplain of the largest Chapter in the Imperium with a vast trove of ancient armors
>his Crozius is described as being an ancient relic inherited by each new Rechlusiarch and stored in one of the main halls of their main ship
>3+ armor save and regular old Crozius

>> No.52335577

>>52335550
Post more of her and we are good

>> No.52335582

>>52335496
I honestly don't know if it would be hard or not; it LOOKS rather simple to just paint on some abstract round shapes in layers. I am rather new so I guess I think more on it. I want to do Blood Axe Orks and was thinking of putting it on my Meganobz and vehicles, MAYBE on some of the regular Nobz as well.

>>52335541
Thanks man

>> No.52335591

>>52335365
Lower deductible? Nah, I'd rather chance it.
Water bill? One shower a day, then. Grab an apartment, and my car can go dirty.
New Computer? I'll just run everything on low graphics.
Food? I'll just eat an apple for lunch.


It's all about finding things you don't quite need in the name of your addiction.

>> No.52335592
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52335592

>>52335577
for what purpose anon? Surely you're not thinking of anything untoward, are you?

>> No.52335607

>>52335582
It's not too hard:
Base the Beige
Blob the greed
Blob the brown,
Add smaller blobs of black where colors meet.

>> No.52335615

>>52335592
Drawing reference so I can make a buddy for >>52334636 here.

>> No.52335621

>>52335577
you know you can anything you want + r34 into google and instantly find pornographic images of what you were looking for.

for example, "sisters of battle r34" will yield the desired results.

>> No.52335632

In general is it better for a bike squad to take an attack bike or two bikers.

This is in addition to two grav bikes and the sarge

>> No.52335636

>>52335550

I love that story because of how much it triggers faggots. Nobody would blink an eye if they used the blood of male priests, loyal marines, or the most grimdark option: their own GK comrades like that scene from Aliens 4.

But no because it's SoB that's an outrage. Look how much the SJW cancer has infected you faggots. The grimdark doesn't care how downtrodden you are. It can always get worse, SoB included.

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>>52335577
sisters are for

purging xenos side by side

>> No.52335657

40k was always a baby's strategy game, cutting down the rulebloat is a huge step in the right direction

>> No.52335666

>>52335621
No, not porn... Just want to make cute doodles

>> No.52335674

>>52335636
I think it's more about the pointless stupidity of it, and not if it were sisters, marines, priests or whatever. I know, grimdark and all that, but it's on another level of stupidity.

>> No.52335679

>>52335199

I just thought they seemed cool. I like big stompy robots and I played Ogres in WHFB so I thought hey, small numbers of super powerful units is cool.

I'll have to reconsider it. I have a shit load of IG shit anyway.

>> No.52335685

>>52335621
I Just want to make cute doodles

>>52335639
I agree

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>>52335666
if you aren't looking for porn simply replace r34 with fan art.

"sisters of battle fan art" will yield the desired results.

>> No.52335692
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52335692

As Lascannon teams only good on vet squads? I want to use 3 of them with my infantry platoon and Id like to know in your experience how useful they are, is 1 gun hitting on 3s that much better than 3 guns hitting on 4s?

>> No.52335697

>>52335636

It's not that it happened to Sisters, it's that it makes no fucking sense.

Eldar get fucked over regularly in the fluff. Avatars of Khaine get shafted regularly, in order to make whatever new character look more badass. Orks, too. And Raven Guard. And Iron Hands. And Lamenters.

But the Sisters of Battle got shat on for no reason. It didn't make for an interesting story, and it didn't make sense even within the Codex. You could have replaced the SoB with another Space Marine chapter, or even an IG regiment, and it would have been just as baffling.

>> No.52335698

>>52335674
But all GK stories are stupid... Were you expecting a non-stupid GK story? I don't think one of those actually exist.

>> No.52335701

>>52335686
Fair enough

>> No.52335702

>>52335639
What always bothered me about the original is that it's a Blood Angel by the looks of the shoulder pad when obviously it would normally be a Black Templar to be fuckbuddies with a Sister.

>> No.52335715

>>52335572
Yeah, Grimaldus needs a rule upgrade. Going off of the issues you mentioned, and the his inability to take along his servitors when joining a unit that I mentioned, I'd recommend the following:
- make his Crozius a relic with its own profile
- give him artificer armor

For his servitors, there's multiple ways one could go about it:

1. Let him take along his servitors when he joins a unit
2. Don't have him and his servitors constitute a unit. Essentially, have all of them count as their own independent character as far as movement goes. Let Grimaldus, and each of his servitors go their separate ways and join a unit. By spreading the servitors around, the buffs they provide could easily affect multiple units distributed around the map.

If they above changes are implemented, his point cost should only suffer a minor increase at the most.

>> No.52335716

>>52335686
Cant we keep posting some sisters?

>> No.52335725

>>52335636
No, it's retarded because it's retarded. Grey Knights are immune to corruption, so why do they need to use the blood of anyone to protect themselves from corruption?

>> No.52335727

>>52335686
This is horrible...Cut that hair you hippy! Your a Marine 2 inches maximum hair length! You want a Xeno to grab it so they can gut you easier?

>> No.52335737

>>52335697
>using the blood of IG and SM who have common Chaos counterparts as your protective ward
>instead of the SoB who only have one willing traitor among their entire group, and who radiate a natural 6++ holiness and purity aura

I know if I were going to make a protective smoothie, it's be the SoB I crammed in a blender and not those smelly males.

>> No.52335746

We have Living Saint with her Twins Bodyguards and Tsundere Inquisitor and I can't find any rule34 pic of them.
WHAT THE FUCK?

>> No.52335759
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>>52335716
Here you go my friend, my entire SoB image collection including lewds

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8_YGUZasFM5VW8xZk1JUU1FQ1E

>> No.52335765

>>52335702
as much as I love the idea of my templars shacking up with some hot sororitas babes, they actually kind of hate each other in the lore.

templars despise the inquisition and the ecclesiarchy, sisters are the personal army of the ecclesiarchy, theres a few incidents with some bad blood involving templars not giving a fuck about the sisters and blowing up a cathedral or two, killing a few thousand of them etc

>> No.52335774

>>52335737
Did you forget that Grey Knights have never fallen to Chaos? Why not use them, or just have the sisters help you in the more sensible way of shooting guns at things, seeing as some of them were immune to the chaos effects going on from faith alone.

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>>52335636
>But no because it's SoB that's an outrage. Look how much the SJW cancer has infected you faggots. The grimdark doesn't care how downtrodden you are. It can always get worse, SoB included.

>Not realizing it's just one of the MANY stories where the Ward Knights just being colossal dicks to other Imperial factions
>The sheer retardedness of the runes in the first place because of GK's "Wez Immune to Corruption an shit" shtick
Also, it's Matt Ward. Do we really need a reason other than that?

Actually, I kinda want to see the whole 'Digga Wife' nonsense to happen now, because it sounds grimdark as fuck...

>> No.52335801

>>52335715
Yeah, he's 195 with his 3 Servitors already anyway. 200-250 points for potentially army-wide FnP, a Chaplain with the Rechlusiarch Command Squad ability, artificer armor and a decent Crozius (even something like making its AP 1 point better or something more interesting like preventing Battleshocks if he is part of a unit killing a unit would be way enough) doesn't seem like asking too much. Maybe even add a rule that increases the FnP to a 4+ if all Servitors are part of the same unit.

>> No.52335817

>>52335765
Templars and Sisters are pretty alright these days, actually. They absolutely revere Celestine in Gathering Storm and are perfectly fine working with SoB most of the time.

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>>52335746
I don't know man.

>> No.52335840

>>52335817
All imperial factions being buttbuddies is lore rape

>> No.52335842

>>52335759
You're doing the Emprah's work anon. Keep up the good work!

>> No.52335847

>>52335801
Actually, make it a 6+ FnP with 1 Servitor in the unit, a 5+ with 2 and a 4+ with all 3.

That way they wouldn't just be better Iron Hands with barely any downside.

>> No.52335859

>>52335746
Also no Gig G using the Big D to plow Yvraine. What's up with the slow uptake for r34 when it comes to 40k?

>> No.52335867

>>52335636
Seek help. Seriously not everything is SJW infiltration. In this case it's just fucking dumb for imperial ALLIES to slaughter each other for something that is completely unnecessary.

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>>52335817
true, they are officially on speaking terms now, but its really just Celestine the Templars care about. I mean, how could you not love this woman

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52335883

>>52335582
Whoah, a fellow prospective Blood Axe! Nice! I looked up some Ork Boyz in camo and found one who looks close to what you want to do! See pic related.

Anons, how would you rate my list now that I've changed it up? Mostly because the basic Battlewagon sprue doesn't come with Rokkit Launchas or a Kill Kannon. The Trukk's gunners are going to have their arms swapped for the Rokkit Launchas on the Boyz sprue.

1500 Blood Axes Blitzkrieg

•HQ
-Warboss, 60
+'Eavy Armour, 4
+Power Klaw, 25
+Da Finkin' Kap, 10
+Attack Squig, 15
+Kombi-Rokkit, 5
+Boss Pole, 5
Total, 124

-Painboy, 50
+Grot Orderly, 5
Total, 55

•Elites
-Nobz, 54
+7 Nobz, 126
+'Eavy Armour, 40
+4 Kombi-Rokkit, 20
+3 Power Klaw, 75
+7 Big Choppa, 35
+Waaagh! Banner, 20
Total, 370

•Dedicated Transport
-Battlewagon, 110
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Big Shootas, 20
+Kannon, 10
Total, 160

•Troops
-3xBoyz, 60 (180)
+2 Boyz, 12
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 5
Total, 112 (336)

•Dedicated Transport
-3xTrukk, 30 (90)
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Rokkit Launcha, free
Total, 50 (150)

•Fast Attack
-2xBlitza-Bommer, 270

Total, 1465

I've got 35 points free and I don't know what I want to do with them. My plan is to try and get Master of Ambush and Strategic Genius in order to Infiltrate the all 3 units of Boyz and their Trukks, as well as the Warboss and his Nobz, Painboy, and Battlewagon.

>> No.52335891

>>52335686
Its this a crossover of Wh40k and Infinity?

>> No.52335908

>>52335737
THEIR ARMOR IS ALREADY WARDED!

>> No.52335914

>>52335840
Yeah it's nu-GW lore but it's what most people want though. They want the Imperium to be a magical place where everyone lies in a giant circle sucking eachother off and the houses are made of gingerbread and hugs.

>> No.52335927

>Melee getting buffed
>People complain

Guess there's just no pleasing some people

>> No.52335962

>>52335914
yea because chaos threatening to consume the entire galaxy isn't a good reason to just work together.

>>52335891
its /pol/ discovering 40k for the first time and realizing some games aren't that bad.

>> No.52335977

>>52335195
Well that's how AAA companies works

>> No.52335990

So, for MY DUDES, I'm making my Kabal lead by 2 Archons. Long story short, the family has always had twins as children since even before the fall, whether by natural or unnatural means(read: Haemonculus fuckery). When it's the unnatural way, the soul is shared by both children, hence the name of the kabal. The Kabal of the Torn Soul. Anyway, I'm trying to develop a ruleset for my Archons to use vs my friend's custom SM chapter with custom supplement(and possibly our other friends if they get their asses to working on their own fluff). I wrote them in as brother and sister. The brother uses an Agonizer(possibly improved into a custom one) and the sister has a blade(can be venom,power, void sabre, etc) and both are modeled with pistols.

So far some brainstormed ideas are:
>2 units acting as 1
They are considered 1 unit, but 2 models
>Either a shared wound pool or each has X amount of wounds and losing a wound on either causes a wound on the opposite
>ability to multi charge without losing attacks on the charge
>Counts as 1 model for transport purposes

Anyone care to offer some suggestions that could spark my imagination?

>> No.52335994

>>52335962
empire have crumbled because of petty squabbles

>> No.52336036

Did I miss the discussion about the Death guard update?

>> No.52336048

>>52335867
Flesh Tearer short story was entirely about SoB slaughtering FTs because the FTs slaughtered the SoB.

And they weren't even killing each other for benefits or to complete a mission like the GKs

>> No.52336054

>>52335692

They're not worth it unless you're also using a command squad to "Take it Down"/"On my Target".
Even then, they're Ld7 so it's not reliable for orders.
A veteran squad with Lascannon / X3 Plasmas work fine for me.

>> No.52336062
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>>52335883
'Owz it goin' ya git! I saw this on my local 40k facebook group and thought it was really cool, but I personally just want to do forest camo.
I might put this color scheme specifically on my Stormboyz.

>> No.52336069

>>52335962
>yea because chaos threatening to consume the entire galaxy isn't a good reason to just work together.
Not an argument if such moves kills tragedy

>> No.52336072

>>52335774
>seeing them be immune
>not using them as shields

You dumb

>> No.52336082

>>52334567

Because I see shit on ebay for cheap and like the models and that's how it starts. Before you know it you have three armies and absolutely nearly five fantasy ones.

>> No.52336097

>>52336082
;_; it's suffering I wish I wasn't a altholic.

>> No.52336104

>>52335746
your waifus are boring

>>52335548
your kabalites are dead mean if they're not in transports. autarch has to start outside of the raider. get some venoms in there

>> No.52336116

>>52335550
Literally nobody has cared about this for years, go back to 1d4chan if you're just going to whine about muh Ward boogeyman. Besides, it was retconned anyway.

Here's a freebie to go with your (You). It's cool to hate Cruddace and Kelly now.

>> No.52336119

>>52336036
Well I haven't taken my hand off my dick since, if that's what you mean.

>> No.52336130
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>>52335544
Thanks for the reply! I was wondering at first if it was glazed or a metallic blue paint. Sure makes a nice spot color.

I've been trying out the glazing method for my Alpha Legion though I seem to be getting better results with Vallejo Transparent Blue + Green compared to Guilliman Blue + Waywatcher Green which I used previously.

>> No.52336170

>>52336072
>seeing them be immune
>Grey Knights are also immune
>instead of using these trained immune soldiers as backup, we'll make ourselves double immune!
>even though there's no reason to think blood rituals would do that at all instead of just doing nothing

>> No.52336184

>>52336130
Yeah, stole the color idea from Alpha Legion myself. Looks like a really good blue, seems much fuller than the GW paints.

>> No.52336188

>>52334514
Mom's spaghetti

>> No.52336190

>>52335990
Remove "Counts as one model for transport purposes" because that makes no sense. Does being twins mean they somehow violate physics?

The unit could be two Archons each with double wound count, but each time one gets hurt so does the other. For almost all other intents and purposes they are 2 different independent characters that can join different squads. But they get bonuses for combo-ing attacks.

If they or their units both shoot the same target, they twin-link.
If they or their units both melee a target, they can reroll all failed to wound rolls
One archon can shoot an enemy engaged in close combat with the other archon
One archon's unit can provide overwatch for the other

>> No.52336195
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52336195

Orks will be top tier, calling it now

>> No.52336199

>>52336119
What do we know about it?.

>> No.52336212

>>52336082
>Because I see shit on ebay for cheap

Most ebay shit really is just shit though.

A bunch of sprues for an army you don't play is worthless

And the kind of trash people put up (especially if tagged 'pro painted') needs such effort in striping or rebuilding it's probably better to just buy a fresh box

Stop hoarding minis you'll never use

>> No.52336227

>>52336036
Didn't miss much, there was nothing to cry about so there's less to say I guess.

Personally I liked the look of things so much I might finally give in and go death guard.

How do people feel about cultist/ zombie mobs? I've always played fairly low model count stuff but it sounds fun to model at the very least.

>> No.52336271

In the middle of starting the game with necrons, been working with lists for a few days and came up with this, any ideas/ criticisms are welcome (only own the barge so far, so not worried about dropping models)

999pts
Reclamation 679 pts

Catacomb barge 135 (190)
voidreaper 30
phlactery 15
mindshackle scarabs 10

Necron Warriors 130 (169) x2
3 extra warriors 39

immortals 85

Tomb blades 54 (66)
shield vanes x3 6
nebuloscope x3 6


Canoptek Harvest 320 pts

Spyders 50 (110)
Extra spider 50
gloom crystal 10

wraiths 120 (150)
transdimensional beamer 30

Scarab Swarm 60

>> No.52336286

>>52333992
More like Tyranids who are losing two of the only things we even fucking have left.

>literally worse off competitively than orks
>now losing initiative advantage and morale immunity
>new warscrolls are probably going to make TMCs weaker as they take Wounds

Trash edition is trash.

>> No.52336308

>>52336184
Probably the result of using Vallejo Thinner instead of Glaze Medium to thin down the Transparent Blue/Green. I'll try the same colors with glaze medium next time.

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>>52333667
>I2

>> No.52336334

>>52336170
>instead of using these trained immune soldiers as backup, we'll make ourselves double immune!

Precisely! Once again, the Imperium achieves flawless victory at the cost of a few expendable lives.

>> No.52336338

>>52335189
>The only things we've seen are a couple of IDEAS for new rules.
>implying the entire edition isn't done already and GW are just pretending to still be "considering" these changes
Anon we're two months out from release.

>> No.52336368

>>52336130
>>52336184
I wanted to go for a color like that for my Imperial Knight's armor, though I tried it with one of the shoulderpads and felt like I did something wrong with such a large area. Came out really spotty

>> No.52336378

>>52335927
This is a nerf to most melee races you dumbfuck.

Melee races other than Orks already have high initiative.

>> No.52336388

Getting a squad of Tartaros terminators as my LC anti-horde unit. Heavy flamer seems like an obvious choice for the role, but is the reaper autocannon worth using?

>> No.52336405

>>52335679
That's because big stompy robots are cool to anyone whole didn't take an engineering course. But if you can find another player with that many knights, then by all means have a giant robot battle.

Just, you know, don't take them against regular armies.

>>52335692
You can take them in platoons if your willing to play foot-guard.

>Step 1: Find about 200 guardsmen
>Step 2: Grab the Emp's shield Company (which is actually competitive if you follow steps 3-
>Step 3: All lascannon HWT upgrades in 2 of the infantry platoons. Autocannons or Heavy bolters in the last.
>Step 4: Take a second CCS to make this a Cadian Battle Group, then get the Auxillery Psykers or a CAD with psykers, veterans, and an Aegis line
>Step 5: Roll up Prescience. Don't worry, with that many psykers you're bond to get it.
>Final Step: Pykers+Orders=Twin-linked monster hunter lascannon blobs with 50 wounds each! Or maybe twin-linked lascannon blobs with ignores cover. Or perhaps lascannons and a fuckload of rending rank-firing lasguns! And because you enemy probably brought lots of high AP, low shot count weapons anticipating tanks he's gunna be very screwed!

Problems:
Buying that much infantry
Painting that much infantry
You need a crapload of commissars to stay in the fight.

>> No.52336413

>>52336368
Just use a lot of it for the first layer, then tone it down a notch and "pull" the paint to the borders.

>> No.52336418

>>52336062
I'm doing fine, mate! I'm going to camo up all my boyz and vehicles in WWII German camouflages. Nobz, Painboy, Warboss, and Battlewagon are going to be in Waffen SS camouflage, the Bommers are going to be in Luftwaffe late war colors, and everyone else is going to be in Heer/Luftwaffe Camouflage.

>> No.52336420

>>52336170
sisters are expendable i guess

>> No.52336430

>>52336378
>Orks are a melee race

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>>52336430

>> No.52336456

>>52336441

Orks are a dakka race, it just so happens that the game is not tailored to make them excel at it.

>> No.52336463

>>52333715
I hope we still get a variety of powers. The Sigmar "one cast per spell across the entire army" rule is stupid, but it's not too bad when you have access to a wide variety of spells. It's straight retarded when the majority of your casters only have access to the same two spells.

As a Tzeentch Daemons/Thousand Sons player, I'll be happy with Sigmar style magic, as long as we get Tzeentch Arcanites-tier spell access at release.

>> No.52336465

>>52336420
They are, but I would have rather they had all died as cheap bodies in battle against Daemons rather than being wasted for literally nothing.

>> No.52336468

>>52336456
I mean, Dakkajets are TL BS3 S6 AP4.

>> No.52336471
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52336471

>There are people who seriously prefer to make 40k's girls boring suits of armor with giant torsos

>> No.52336485

>>52336170
GK are immune to corruption, not immune to all Chaos magic.

>> No.52336493

>>52333667
Newcrons a shit

>> No.52336510

>>52336463
>"one cast per spell across the entire army" rule
COOL LET ME JUST THROW MY ZOANTHROPES IN THE TRASH TOO

HOLY FUCK GW PLEASE STOP

>> No.52336516

>>52336485
>Using blood rituals to better immunize themselves against magic

Khorne Knights pls go

>> No.52336526

So i stand to purchase a small skitarii force. 30ish rangers/alphas, an onager, 2 ironstriders. I've mathed it out and it ends up being about 800 points, mas o menos. I'm thinking about running that detachment alongside a sizeable stormtrooper company (about 40, some retro, some kasrkin, some new) that specialize in derpstrike. That brings me too a cool 1600 points. What's a good formation to bring along to round out to 2k? I have some 30k mech, thallax and robots, but is it frowned upon to include taghmata forces in a 40k list, assuming i follow the foc restrictions? My other idea is maybe a Ravenwing detachment to add mobility and toughness to the list.

>> No.52336534

>>52336413
I'll keep that in mind for the next time I take a crack at it. Thanks!

>> No.52336538

Theyre not going to put that death from the skies horseshit into the new edition right

>> No.52336557

Have anyone Flesh Tearers codex?

>> No.52336560

>>52336538
Probably not since they seem to be trying to simplify and streamline the rules in the new edition.

But you never know, they might go full retard simplifying the things that don't need to be simplified like Morale while leaving in all the overcomplicated bloat shit.

>> No.52336563

So, just how bad ARE Hellions?

>> No.52336603

>>52336563
Essentially, they're Jump infantry Wyches. You're far better off with Scourges for shooting or Reavers for assault

>> No.52336609

>>52336471
>not wanting the women of the Imperium to dedicate as much of their being as possible to the God-Emperor

Slaanesh, pls go.

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So is GW just gonna bring back each Traitor Primarch? Mags has been back, now Mortarion.

I can't wait till they get to my nigga Perty

>> No.52336685

>>52336666
Probably not all of them, but it's almost certain Fulgrim will come after the next Loyalist.

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>>52336609
Slaanesh please stay.

>> No.52336714

>>52336666

Despite your sick quads I wouldn't hold your breath.

3 big ones yes, all of them? Unknown.

>> No.52336732

>>52336666
Theyre doing all the god-devoted primarchs. GW couldnt care less about undivided fags

>> No.52336748

>>52336732
They'll make it a back-and-forth.

First Magnus, then Guilliman, next up Mortarion and probably Russ or the Lion, then Fulgrim and the one missing (or Dorn).

>> No.52336777
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>>52334582
Saturation you say?

Codex Tau
Why not drones?
Drone-Net VX1-0
26x Drone squads
2x MV1 Gun Drone
2x MV7 Marker Drone

Piranha Firestream Wing
TX4 Piranha (Team Leader)
Burst Cannon, 2x Seeker Missile
2x MV1 Gun Drone
Twin-linked Pulse Carbine

3x TX4 Piranhas squads
TX4 Piranha
Burst Cannon, 2x Seeker Missile
2x MV1 Gun Drone
Twin-linked Pulse Carbine
TX4 Piranha
Burst Cannon, 2x Seeker Missile
2x MV1 Gun Drone
Twin-linked Pulse Carbine

This list generates 14 drones per turn, and the pirhanas cannot be killed and refit every turn. It is the douche list of meta. It is cheap. I can do this all day.

>> No.52336790

Man, I wish Peltast Alphas would be eligible to all 6 Warlord traits from the Skitarii Codex.

>> No.52336798

>>52336732
They have to know how many Iron Warrior players there are, and that any primarch will automatically sell a shitton.

GW cares nothing about ideology or creed. It's just about how much $$$$ they can milk out.

>> No.52336813

>>52336798
>how many Iron Warrior players
i wasnt aware there were any beyond HH

>> No.52336823

>>52336271
Can only have one spyder in the harvest.

>> No.52336837

>>52336732
>god-devoted primarchs
So Angron's going to be coming back?

What's the over/under on 'Nails-in-my-Brain' turning the anal rape of Armageddon by the Greenskins into an extremely violent threesome?

>> No.52336841

>>52336798
>They have to know how many Iron Warrior players there are
Not that many?

>> No.52336854

>>52336798
I'm not actually sure that's true. For most players, I'd expect they view Chaos marines as a simple Red/Blue/Green/Purple thing for the four gods. Odds are you wouldn't get many people caring about undivided primarchs.

Similarly, any loyalist versions would have to be big name chapters as well.

>> No.52336857

>>52336837
Gathering Storm had a whole section hinting at that being the case. It's pretty fucking likely, but they'll probably save Angron for last because Khorne gets shit all the time and the other gods are more starved for updates.

>> No.52336884

>>52336854
This.

You guys are deluding yourselves if you think we're going to see Perturabo, Dorn, Lorgar, Vulkan, or any of those guys any time soon (if ever).

It's going to be the God-aligned Daemon Primarchs, and the Space Marine Chapters that have their own separate Codexes, and that's it.

>> No.52336898

Last thread was cancer but I want to know
What are grognards?

>> No.52336922

>>52336898
People who keep playing old editions

>> No.52336927

>want to buy FW upgrade set
>would be willing to pay the set for the set
>but that shipping though

So about dem Chinamen, how much would I save when buying Peltast gear, including shipping to Germany?

>> No.52336929

>>52336898
The opposite of newfags.

>> No.52336964

>>52335422
Anon I think you forgot to include an image

>> No.52337005

>>52336884
Eh, I could see them doing Lorgar maybe, if only because the Word Bearers are the closest to defining Chaos undivided.

Loyalists I would certainly expect Russ, though I'm not sure they'd bring back Sangy or the Lion. It feels more like they'd go for Vulkan there, since they have an easy excuse to bring him back.

>> No.52337021

>>52336560
>"streamline"
As in "everyone hits on a 4+"? Please say "no".

>> No.52337040

>>52337005
They're definitely doing the Lion, c'mon. Dark Angels have their own Codex, and he's been teased in both Warzone Fenris and GS3.

Sanguinius is more of a toss-up. Blood Angels doesn't seem to get a lot of love these days, and he IS supposed to be super, super dead.

Salamanders have barely any players, they're not going to do Vulkan.

If Lorgar ever comes back it won't be until they update core Chaos Space Marine stuff, which probably won't be for a long time.

>> No.52337057

>>52337021
I want to say no but we really have no idea.

They're literally trying to port the retarded Battleshock mechanic into 40k and getting rid of Initiative because manchildren can't understand why they don't get to attack first every time they charge into combat.

>> No.52337062
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Do you think the races of 40k would play a game of stylized fantastical american football with each other

>> No.52337093

>>52337062
no

>> No.52337126

>>52336927
>buying recasts of such delicate and spindly parts

You're going to pay, one way or another.

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52337135

Hey guys, I am using this dark eldar\ harlequin ynari list to go against tau. The tau player will have lots of interceptor fire and I have a lot of deep striking unites. Any advice you can give? I will post the tau list in the next post. I think my scourge are just completely dead as SMS will just kill them the second they land on the board.

My plan is to aethersail my raider full of grotesques right into the face of the riptide with the ion cannon. When they blow up the raider my yncarne will come down (or should I wait for them to kill my grotesque to drop the yncarne? ) my yncarne can hopefully kill the ion cannon riptide which will make my Medusa and haemonculi safe. The Medusa if they don't get wiped out the second they hit the board can do a number on the commanders unit. The haemonculi can weather the broadsides intercept and phychic shriek from the shadowseer I'll wreck the broadsides with -3 to their leadership (if she doesn't kill them I can shoot the grenade launcher and make them go to ground) the troupes will try to kill the striker teams.

>> No.52337138

>>52337062
yes

>> No.52337148

>>52336837
Angron's been back for a while tho. You just need to bring his bloodthirster bodyguards to take him.

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>>52337135
Here is the tau list.

>> No.52337229

>>52337135
>>52337154
Looking at the Tau list, I think you might have a shot. The only thing I'll say is that with your target priority, you'll want to kill the marker drones that the commander and that crisis team have. They're a major force multiplier.

Once those are gone, you'll have an easier time dealing with the Broadsides and the Burst cannon Riptide. The ion one has a blast though, so you'll want it gone first.

>> No.52337269

>>52337135
If you know he's taking a bunch of interceptor, why Deep Strike?

>> No.52337299

how do I set up an admech/skitarii army? I'm buying the start collecting set and an extra squad of skitarii rangers, and I'm trying to figure out what formations/force orgs I need to take to make it work properly.

I don't know why they're separate in the first place.

>> No.52337368

>>52333578
I order exterminatus upon Planet Grognard.

>>52337349
>>52337349
>>52337349
>>52337349

>> No.52337372

>>52336603

That's sad. Here's hoping 8th makes them usable to some degree. Both them and wyches need dodge out of melee

>> No.52337393

>>52337372
Well, it's either going to get better with movement stats and other special rules, or it's going to be a lot worse with initiative not really mattering.

>> No.52337395

>>52336927

Try Legion Forge

>> No.52337403
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52337403

Fascist Space Marine anon again. How's this for a color scheme? I've decided on naming them the Iron Eagles. They're strictly Chapter compliant except for the fact that they worship the State as God. They also love chaplains and have their own secret police force who kill any of their citizens who don't seem like they love the State as much as they do.

Any ideas on what their tactics would be? I'm thinking a heavy focus on vehicles and Blitzkrieg but I also have never played Loyalists before.

>> No.52337458

>>52335014
My brother made his half-tracks. Makes the boxiness look intentional and creates an illusion of length.

>> No.52337499

>>52337403
Hmm...color scheme might be a bit too Khorne. I would consider a silver or steel color for some of those details and trim instead.

As for tactics, their progenitor could give you some ideas.

If you want to include some 'secret police' style units, Sternguard would make a good fit, being ranged focused veterans.

A vehicle heavy focus sounds like it would suit them well. Very mechanized infantry.

>> No.52337533

>>52337393

Yea. That's what worries me.

I really want to run a wych cult and have some fluff ready. Hellions are cheap enough on Ebay atm (10 for $25ish) that I might run a some blobs of them. If I run enough shitty units, surely my opponent won't know who to kill first.

>> No.52337537

>>52337368
Will you ever learn how generals work or just keep on doing these shitpost-reeking thread OPs hours before the thread dies?

>> No.52337553

>>52337403
>Iron Eagles
>Mostly gold accents

Try again.

>> No.52337593

>>52337533
>If I run enough shitty units, surely my opponent won't know who to kill first.

Ordinarily, that can kind of work, but for Wych cults, they just don't do much even when they hit combat. Even Wyches equipped with special weapons won't deal that much damage to a marine squad even on the charge.

>> No.52337640

What's better for Skitarii, having 1 Arc Rifle in 2 squads covering the table on both ends or having 2 Arc Rifles in the same squad?

>> No.52337706
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>>52337553
Is this better?

>> No.52337736

>>52336898
the people who were in the last thread, probably

>> No.52337738

>>52337640
It's generally better to kill one unit as fast as possible rather than spread damage out across multiple.

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>>52337593

I know. The wyches nuke a Marine with a pistol, lose 2 to over watch, kill a few on the charge, and then stay in combat until the game ends. That's against 10 Marines. Against a combat squad, they might actually hit the perfect assault, lock, kill on opposing turn you want. The Hekatrix will kill will a challenge against a 1W Marine because of I6 or force the Sgt not to fight and save the squad wounds.

Here's my prototype without Hellions, though I don't actually have Incubi yet.

>> No.52337954

>>52337706
Much better than the other attempt. Have fun painting.

>> No.52337975

>>52337706
edgy

>> No.52338057

>>52337403
Fluff is bad and the name is questionable, but you've got a good color scheme.

>> No.52341425

>>52335759
See, this is what an awesome fatGuy looks like, not like those "Google It, faggot' fags that dont do shit but complain.
Thanks , anon.

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