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girlyman is back and ready to bully Lorgar edition

>previous edition
>51815133

>Dank Dweekend Duncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKF6GUyI8VA [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

>40k rules reference in wiki format. 204% Organized
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>Rules and such. Use Readium for epubs. Sorry, it's shit, but it'll read 3s.
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ

>Latest GW teases
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>Latest GW attempts to fuck up your list
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>Here's the list builder, but if you've actually bothered to read this far, ask for it anyway!
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>Another roster making program that may or may not be a broken piece of shit
https://battlescribe.net/

>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

>The Black Library (Soulburst now available at the vending machines)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q

>> No.51819091

Orkz is first!

>> No.51819097

https://mega.nz/#F!9NEURIyB!7MAEDtp4lo9bI-2jpsTHNw

>> No.51819101

Lion Waking When

>> No.51819105

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2sCeLFK_Xw

>> No.51819108

first for (insert overdone 40k meme here)

>> No.51819131

what would you guys recommend for stripping resin, ibve heard dettol diluted to an 80:20 ration but im scared of ruining my favorite model

>> No.51819138

>>51818791

>> No.51819142
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>>51818981
He is character that was around since fucking 1988, he deserved love.
Roboute was meant to return since Rogue Trader.

>> No.51819144

How to build an 1850 Butcherhorde completely WE themed? Going for 1850 of each founder legion.

>In b4 "M-muh costs" Plebs out.

>> No.51819155

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>>51817707
Cawl getting shit done. Got to love that, now we just need an actual Admech campaign with him, Dahan, Kotov and Stroika wrecking face together. Get some of the other aspects of the Admech on the field, with the Biologis, the Reductor, the Explorators and the Myrmidax, like in the 30k books. Currently the Admech line basically shows the boring Admech equivalent to the Ultramarines in flavor, and even that is awesome. Just a couple faction-specific Magos tweaks like the 1KSons 30k Cults would be cool.

Also, have some proper Archmagos commanding going on, with everything being perfectly coordinated and such, even if it's just for the introductory or big final battle, just to see it once. A good Archmagos or Secutor is basically one of those Yuuzhan Vong Yammosks from the New Jedi Order, but Cawl doesn't do any of that. What happened to the fluff about Skitarii/Admech commanders transmitting orders from orbit and guiding entire fleets instead of brawling like plebs?

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51819178

>Necrontyr are based off Egyptians
>Egyptians were undeniably black skinned
>the necrontyr's radioactive sun would mean their skin would darken to give them some form of radiation resistance
>negrons confirmed?

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>>51819080

>fucking autists always forgetting duncan's wonderful danks

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zob4jAGbpMM


Also here's Wrath of magnus PDF for the shistains asking for the prophecy

>one primarch turning traitor and another turning loyal or one son shall fall, one son shall return to the light

>https://www.mediafire.com/?cmfmvrmjwcw1ljm

>> No.51819188

>>51819166
What would a Biologis army look like?

>> No.51819195
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GGA here excited because this Saturday gonna be part of a massive Apocalypse game with the lads in this pic. I'm trying to get up to 3500 points of Guard and to bring my Dark Angel army in because we're trying to do around 5000-6000 pts for player. It's gonna be a crazy week of building and painting in preparation for it but what are you doing /tg/? Unpainted Tau getting Ruined gets me hard.

>> No.51819197

>>51819187

IM STILL WAITING FOR THE FUCKING PROOF

>> No.51819203

I FUCKING LOST HULL MOUNTED HB TOWER FROM MY BANEBLADE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Have you ever lost models?

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THE RAINBOW WARRIORS WILL RISE UP TO SHOW THE ULTRAMARINES THAT THEY ARE IN FACT THE GREATEST OF CHAPTERS!

>> No.51819216

>>51819187
>gw wants to cell models
>gw needs to release every primarch
>magnus already has 2 models
>magnus wont go loyal because his model is already out and it needs to be a primach without a 40k model yet so they can sell a new sculpt and generate hype for a new primarch model

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So, from what I've heard Visarch and Yvraine are pretty shit on the table but did anyone try/go against the new avatar yet?

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>>51819178
No one cared when you posted this the last time, and you are probably the same guy who keeps posting night lords theme music.

>> No.51819237

>>51819195

>tau army unpainted

how can so many people know about the stereotype then do nothing to avoid it

>> No.51819249

>>51819230
im a one shitpost at a time kinda guy, i have no relation with night lords guy or cheeta guy

>also i haven't posted this in a week, has someone carried on my legacy?

>> No.51819279

>>51819224
they are shit for what eldar armies can bring for the amount of point they cost

>are they worth taking over a wraithknight and a few less points free? or a blob of bikes? no? okay not using it

eldar just have a lot of top tier options and it makes it harder for stuff to stand out

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>>51819188
Like Nids but with metal cables instead of organic cables

>> No.51819294

I can still use old Noise Marine models right?

>> No.51819315

>>51819178
>undeniably black skinned
They weren't black, they were fucking BROWN. Like pretty much all North Africans and Middle Easterners since time imme-fucking-morial. So would Jesus, to add a cherry on the cake.

>>51819187
eyo senpai you got a Traitor Legions pdf too? It's a pain in the cock to boot up Readium and I can read PDFs on my phone.

>> No.51819317

>>51819131
Anything that's not a solvent is safe.
I use lye based jellied floor soap.
only thing to watch out for is using gloves when handling it undiluted since its Ph is 11.

>> No.51819318

>>51819237
show me a picture of a LGS apoc game where there isnt a decent percent of grey models?

apoc makes people bring more points than they are used to and bring models they may rarely play with, and dont have as much motivation to paint

but yeah its nauseating how true the stereotype of grey eldar and tau armies is

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>>51819284
Yours?

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>>51819195
Got you covered senpai. Tau should stop existing.

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>>51819188
I'm actually making one using the Horus Heresy Mechanicum rules, lots of Skaven monsters and Dark Eldar weapons with a dash of Tyranid used to make robot-substitiute bodies for the Castellax, Magi with Wrack syringes, Narthecium mandibles on my giant spider-Archmagos who's going to be Scoria.

All shielded by huge hordes of the Miltia Levies, who are 345 pts for 2x50 of them and the Commander, and they all have Zealot, Rending, Fear and FnP 6+, plus subflak, frags and 2ccw each, but they can't shoot and always need to assault. Commander has a whip and such as an "Overseer". Going to use the Crypt Ghoul and Skaven Clanrat models with a few tweaks to represent the army of flash-cloned monsters thrown out as cannon fodder before the big stuff lands.

Also artillery with poison tanks and Spore Mine shells piled on the Basilisk platforms, Rat-Ogre Vorax conversions and to top it all off eventually, a Sokar Pattern Stormbird made from a 2ft long Whale model with loads of cybernetics, engines and a gondola/bridge, bristling with guns.

Ordering the first bitz soon, not sure whether to start with the Whale-Stormbird or the Levies and Magi.

>> No.51819340

>>51819187
>Forgtting

WIP in WIP
RP in 40k RPG
Tabletop and forced memes here.

>> No.51819360

Commenting on a discussion from the last thread.
Blood Angel Devs can take Grav Cannons.
Angel's Blade

/tg/ really doesn't play games, huh?

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Are Vypers good?

>> No.51819372

>>51819249
>New Celestine is not a SoB

I only like it because it is kind of true ruleswise. Since she does not have Act of Faith or War Hymns. Preventing the use of AoF when she is attached to SoB units.

Things like this makes me wonder why would anyone actually try to play 40k competitive if the GW doesn't even care to check rules

>> No.51819381

>>51819142
I find funny how his name was "Robert" lol

But yeah, true.

>> No.51819384

>>51819365
they are pretty good especially now that they can deep strike

>> No.51819395

>>51819329
Nop, if only I could remember the girl that did reviews and use this things.

>> No.51819411

>>51819315
different anon here
I'm currently converting that, I'll have it sometime tomorrow. I'll put it in that mega in the second post

>> No.51819412

>>51819384
Wait, what, they can deep strike?

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>>51819331
Sloppy

>> No.51819421

>>51819372
on that note wheres my CelestineXGreyfax yuri fan art or fiction?

>we all know she would seduce inquisitor tsuntsun with her thighs over the course of a cutsie 13 episode anime

>> No.51819437

>>51819411
You're a star, anon, thank you! How are you managing anyway? I tried converting them myself but no program worked because epub3 is terrible to work with.

>> No.51819439

>>51819412
yes now with the new gathering storm book

>you can deep strike skatbikes too now so let that just sink in

>> No.51819442

>>51819421
Only Taufags would have that poor taste, and they're way too into blueberries.

>> No.51819446

>>51819216
There's also the small matter of being a daemon

>> No.51819447

>>51819395
DawnWillow did a video or two.

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>>51819439
Oh, the friggin Black Guardian strike force.

Oh boy, I'm gonna enjoy this rape far too much.

>> No.51819455

>>51819439
Ain't that just Ulthwe?
One that are all Elites with no obsec.

>> No.51819456

>>51819216
>>magnus already has 2 models
Actually three if you count old epic.

>> No.51819457

How should one model a rouge psyker? I want one for my LatD army.

>> No.51819467

>>51819412
The new Black Guardian Vypers can, along with warwalkers, jetbikes, and the infantry guardians. No scatter either.

Great for popping tanks.

>> No.51819469

>>51819437
"print to pdf" button in the viewer and later crop the pages

>> No.51819477

>>51819421
My group now calls the single shot of Celestine as "Pussy shot"
Even though they say it is a shot made from super compress sweat that squirt between her THICC tights.

When my titty Psyker sound sane and decent by comparison it makes you wonder

>> No.51819478

>>51819452
its not unbeatable and it does have the downside of making the eldar clump up so they can get thier bonus move, but yeah i played my eldar buddy five games and you can build some rapetastic lists

>> No.51819492

Coping a list. Is it any good?

Core - Chaos Warband

200 Lord - MoK, VoTLW, juggernaut, sigil, power fist, lightning claw, talisman of burning blood (warlord)
85 Chaos marines (5) - MoK, VoTLW, boltpistol/chainswords
85 Chaos marines (5) - MoK, VoTLW, boltpistol/chainswords
95 Havocs (5) - MoK, VoTLW, extra chainswords
145 Possessed (5) - MoK, VoTLW
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)

Auxillary - Raptor Talon

135 Lord - MoK, VoTLW, jump pack, sigil, axe of blind fury
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)

Command - Lords of The Legion

265 Daemon Prince - MoK, combat familiar, wings, power armour, bezerkers glaive

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>>51819467
Oh boy

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51819512

So, I just ordered this sexy fella here. But can I actually field him in 40k? I guess I could just stick a backpack onto the warrior, and call it a day, but are there any rules for him?

>> No.51819520

>>51819469
Well shit, sounds simple but eh. Good luck and thank you again

>> No.51819526

>>51819512
Would be a Khorne Chaos Lord on Juggernaut.

>> No.51819534

>>51819512
yeah juggerlords are actually pretty good

>give him a powerfist and that axe so he turns into a bloodthirster on death and you can be a pretty big guy

>> No.51819540

>>51819512
>/tg/ doesn't actually play
Read a fucking rulebook/codex

>> No.51819543

>>51819478
>it does have the downside of making the eldar clump up so they can get thier bonus move

Not really. You don't have to run Black Guardians as part of the Ynnari detachment, so they'll still have Battle Focus. You can happily make your non-scatter Deep Strike within 9", then run up to 6" away from a vehicle, spread out, and fire your Fusion Guns up its backside.

>> No.51819563

>>51819195
Hello again GGA! Personally trying to get back into painting my Chimeras. Can't really go back to the board until they're done as right now my mid-board presence is so sorely lacking.

If your going apocalypse, you should start looking into the Marauder Bomber. Not particularly practical, but having a space-B52 run over the board and eliminate ALL the enemy's infantry is a riot.

>> No.51819570

>>51819540
I'm not playing Chaos, no.
I'm playing Necrons. Just kidding, I'm still painting and haven't played a single game. But someday I might

>> No.51819571

>>51819520
it is simple, it just takes a long time for the conversion to complete

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>>51819512
You don't even need to do anything desu. I field this classic nigga as a footslogging Lord. You can get away with a lot of stuff in 40k due to the nature of the setting. IG regiment wearing peasant attire? Knight World levies. CSM with medieval armour? Warriors generally don't give a fuck + their own practices, Khorne especially gets away with this more easily.

Plus you can buy the Chaos Lord a Juggernaut so yes you have rules.

>> No.51819581

>>51819467
>Great for popping tanks.
How?

Bright lances aren't all that impressive AT weapons.

>> No.51819602

>>51819178
WE WUZ NEGRONS N SHIET DAS RITE IMPERIAL BOI

>> No.51819612

whats the worst army to fully deploy and not get first turn against?

my top three id say are

>guard/renegades
>eldar
>tau
>+any turn one alpha strike army

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PLASTIC ASPECT WARRIORS WHEN!!!!?
I WANT THEM TO BE UPGRADED NOW!!!!
WARP SPIDER SCULPTS ARE OVER 20 FUCKING YEARS OLD!!! THEY SHOULD BE FUCKING UPDATED TO BE LIKE THESE RUSKIE SCULPTS!

ALSO, NEW ASPECT WARRIORS WHEN!!?
I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE SLICING ORBS OF ZANDROS ARE!!!

REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>> No.51819645

>>51819623
Fuck off
Update the entire metal armies first then care about the cheese armies

>> No.51819646

>>51819623
>THE SLICING ORBS OF ZANDROS
What aspect of Khaine do they embody?

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>>51819645
Dear Sistersfaggot,

FUCK YOU

t. Biel-Tan Swordwind player

>> No.51819676

>>51819581
Scatter laser into rear armor, obviously.

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>>51819563
>>51819414
>>51819331
>>51819237
I have more

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>>51819645
name one army that's entirely metal and still supported by GW not called sisters since you implied there are multiple

>> No.51819689
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>>51819646
The mad battle yoyo skills.

>> No.51819692

>>51819623
>NEW ASPECT WARRIORS WHEN!!?
When Forgeworld wants to

>> No.51819694

>>51819646
His amazing ball-handling skill

>> No.51819697

>>51819674
> the eldar player is an anime poster
it would only be more perfect if the fag was a frogposter

>> No.51819718

>>51819395
DLFG?

>> No.51819724

Are death watch garbage or something? I never see anyone play them or even hear of people playing them.

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>>51819679
It just doesn't stop. His Chaos is shit too.

>> No.51819734

>>51819645
None such army.

>> No.51819739

>>51819688
Inquisition.
Unless they are finecast now

>> No.51819745

>>51819331
You should stop existing autist

>> No.51819748

>>51819724
they were overhyped and had a lot of tools that made them seem OP

then people realized they were like grey knights and vanilla marines were better

>> No.51819758

>>51819724
They had a weird cheese list before they got hit with some nerds. Now they're basically another weird supplementary force rather than a full army outright.

They were the flavor of the month for a fair bit.

>> No.51819773

>>51819739
>starts with a force that is arguably a full army
already reaching but yes they did in fact get a decent amount of finecast models

>> No.51819777

>>51819688
Valhallan/Vostroyan/Steel Legion infantry kits are still metal.

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>>51819697
>h-h-he p-posted Chinese c-cartoons!

>>51819724
They weren't great before but the most recent codex FAQ fucking gutted them. Combined with being a FotM army and interest in them subsequently dropping off like normal it's not hard to see why nobody talks about them.
Also they're objectively an uninteresting faction outside of their capacity for Your Dudes.

>> No.51819795

>>51819777

I pick up my guard codex though and sure do see a lot of plastic units, actually about 90% of them to be precise

>> No.51819803

>>51819758
Never saw a list, just a week of "Frag cannon new scatbikes, OP nerf game is ruined forever" and then nothing.

>> No.51819805

What the fuck, they blew up Cadia? An Eldar god is waking up? Rowboat is back?

Did I miss a novel release?

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>>51819697
whats so wrong with frogposting?

afraid of people learning about the blessings of kek anon?

>> No.51819819

>>51819739
They are both finecast and ally-tier

>>51819777
Plastic vehicles, they're part of the Guard range dipshit

>> No.51819831

>>51819781
>objectively an uninteresting faction
Back that shit up bree

>> No.51819840

>>51819805
just stop trying to stir up a shitstorm about new releases and derail my lovely general

>> No.51819852

>>51819814
I praise the 7's friendo, i just dont suck his cock
because i am not gay
like you

>> No.51819853

>>51819814
my nigga
>No pic because there isn't a tyranid pepe

>> No.51819854

>>51819805
No. You only missed the GW stock price going through the roof. It's been pretty exciting.

>> No.51819861

>>51819819
very good ally tier though

>coteaz and servo skulls make my panties wet

>> No.51819868

>>51819831
>tacticool operationally operating operators marine army #19284
>boring models
>codex has shit writing
Prove me wrong then.

>> No.51819869

>>51819318
>decent percent
literally all the Tau are unpainted there

>> No.51819880

>>51819773
Then Guard armies that are not catachan or Cadian.

Did grey knight got plastic or are they still metal/finecast?

General rule of thumb if your armie does not have its basic unit in plastic or haves a decade old plastic kit they need an update hard.

So Eldar bitching about warp spider while reasonable other armies need an update first

>> No.51819901

>>51819726
Did he splash black paint and called it a day?

>> No.51819912

>>51819901
they're Black legion

>> No.51819926

>>51819726
If that... black gloss paint?

>> No.51819939

>>51819869
yeah no not gonna try and defend tau, i just feel self conscious because when i run my apoc nights i usually have to bring out some grey so i get triggered when people shit on it, didnt register it was fully unpainted tau army which is indefensable

>> No.51819948

>>51819868
>tacticool operationally operating operators marine army #19284
Such as?

>boring models
>subjective

Only complaint thats valid is the shit codex and the fact its "sternguard the codex"

>> No.51819962

>>51819880
>i clearly haven't played in eons if i dont know GKs full range other than draigo is plastic

>gw is such a tiny company they can only update one line at a time

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>>51819880
>most Aspects have casts from 2nd
>the only time Aspects ever got updated was in fucking 3rd edition, barring Dire Avengers and maybe Banshees
>only Dire Avengers are plastic and said kit is from 4th edition
>Warp Spiders casts literally older than Sisters
Fuck off, it's no secret GW updates the factions they feel like working on more than anything else, so you shouldn't be surprised your meme army lacks updates. Aspects meanwhile are hot shit, Spiders especially given the current meta, but the only update they've received in 10+ years is shifting to fucking Fineshit.

>Then Guard armies that are not catachan or Cadian.
Pretty much retired, also plastic vehicles

>Did grey knight got plastic
...Yes? Only their characters are still Finecast and even now the next Triumvirate will feature a plastic dude.

>if your armie does not have its basic unit in plastic or haves a decade old plastic kit
>Dire Avengers and Guardians
don't even fucking mention jetbikes you fucking motherfucker this is Biel-Tan. And yes if metal guard regiments count as legit armies then so does my craftworld.

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>>51819105

>> No.51820015

Question: for the Traitor Legions supplement, it always says "Any Unit that can take VoTLW must do so at no additional cost" - does that mean VoTLW is free or am I reading this wrong?

>> No.51820033

>>51819948
As much as I love marines, after years of basically the same shit for decades. They get boring and you end seeing blue marines, black marines, red marines, grey marines, green marines, etc

Beside paint and maybe some chapter symbols you can run what ever Marine chapter you want without any problem. Maybe Grey Knight and Space Wolf could be harder to do.

Mechanicus and GSC is something new I can get behind, hell even if I dislike the new SoB models at least it something that is not marines.

>> No.51820037

>>51820015
It's totally free as it should have been from the start

>> No.51820066
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>>51819998
But can he take on the dreaded Biieeh, Chaosgod of shitposting and his army of daemons?

>> No.51820073

>>51820015
Yes.
Or, perhaps it means must find a way to take it for free?

I guess we'll have to use our common sense.

>> No.51820083

Retard here
Why is plastic better than metal

>> No.51820088

>>51819975
SoB need a mercy squat or get a proper update, but right now? It is just sad.

Aren't Orks on the same boat as Eldar? With models old as fuck? At least Eldar codex is broken op so you can live with old models but Orks? They suck and are old.

>> No.51820092

new Nids when?

>> No.51820102

>>51820083
Easier to work with, holds detail better and plastic doesn't suddenly start rotting.

>> No.51820112

>>51820083
Metal is heavy and puts strain on the joints when you move it about so it's more likely to fall apart.

Plastic is light and soft, it's also very easy to cut so you can reshape it if you need to.

>> No.51820122

>>51820083
For wargaming metal is a bitch, since it will chip off eventually. Pinning metal models can get old fast when you have more than 10 models.

I like metal models, but for gaming they suck ass.

>> No.51820133

>>51820088
Lots of Ork models are pretty old, but unlike the Eldar Aspect Warriors which are fucking monopose finecast shit, most ork models are plastic and thus infinitely easier to convert and modify.
Also, despite their age, Ork boys are still entirely workable models.

>> No.51820143

>>51819998
>cawl is a shitposter

Which boards would he frequent?

>> No.51820156

>>51819612
Anything with D really.
All the other armies you mentioned you can compensate somehow by using cover/line of sight but a D6 is gonna fuck you hard.

>+any turn one alpha strike army
If you meant a Drop Pod heavy army, I'll always let them go first. If you aren't playing in an empty field you can hide/shield your most precious units and then enjoy having them in rapid fire/charge range.

>> No.51820170

>>51820133
Well at least the Eldar army is not entirely mono pose.

If only GW stopped doing old sale tricks for share holders with their Xbox Huge models. We wouldn't have this stupid discussion.

>> No.51820171

>>51820083
Buy a metal set, buy a plastic set, build and paint both and the answer will be very clear by the end

>> No.51820174

>>51820143
Primarily /m/ to ree about Tau mecha
A little of /a/ and a lot of ironic advice on /g/
Also /tg/ since he's clearly a neckbeard

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>> No.51820195

>>51820156
Agree on all that except for guard and renegades, barrage doesn't give a fuck about LoS and hiding in cover

>> No.51820201

>>51820102
>Just said something completely retarded.

Plastic is better than metal in almost every way, but what makes you think metal miniatures rot? I have GW metal from the 80s. some still unpainted and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them...

>> No.51820216

>>51820156
Daemons lots of D weapons but apart from one witchfire it's all melee D.

You want to bring your best shit to the front line to do as much damage as possible because as soon as they reach you you're fucked.

>> No.51820234

>>51820195
>when they ask what the range is on your basilisks and manticores so they can deploy outside of its range and you just look at them smugly
>justguardthings.cadia

>> No.51820242

>>51820201
Lead Rot. It can happen to metal minis.

>> No.51820250

>>51820143
His 10000 year project to build Guilliman a suit of armour probably belongs on /cgl/.

>> No.51820255

>>51820178
Loyal subjects are always welcome at the hive's embrace.
But willing breeders are the real treasure.

>> No.51820256

>>51820195
If you're in a terrain you still get the cover from the terrain type.
It will fuck veichles hit directly/from a naked side but infantry will only have trouble from the artillery formation/carriages.

And against such an army you should try to get the Strategic Infiltrate Warlord trait. If you can't get either buy 7 riptides and call it a day.

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>> No.51820304

>>51820242
When? If it hasn't happened to unpainted miniatures made in the 80's, when can I expect this phenomenon to take place?

>> No.51820305

>>51820277
i want tau to leave

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>>51820255
Want some breeders?

I'm still piss about the low quality of Vyridian.

>> No.51820337

>>51820256
>barrage treats the shot like it's coming from the center of the blast
>the blast is in their cover
>you don't receive cover if you're being shot at inside that cover

Barrage is so easily exploitable it's sad, they have an entire page on it and you still neeed a 200 level class to understand it because it's so confusing

>> No.51820346

How bad of an idea would it be to give a Sisters of Battle Command squad all Condemnor Boltguns? Is that much anti-psyker potential ever really worthwhile?

>> No.51820351

>>51820304
It's not a certain thing, Anon.

Low temperatures and being kept in wooden cases/shelves/etc are apparently causes.

Painting them helps.

>> No.51820368

>>51820242
Gw switched to pewter long time ago lead miniatures are rare in developed countries

>> No.51820387

>>51820346
Depends on your meta.

Mine is basically waac: Tau, marines, Eldar and Necrons.
Lucky for me they are netlisting waac so I can win from time to time.

>> No.51820396

>>51820351
That's good news. A lot of mine have been kept in plastic zip lock bags. Most of which have deteriorated, but they did there jobs and kept the miniatures safe all these years.

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>>51820318

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>tfw you have to pay £70 for your hq now

>> No.51820413

>>51820387
That's pretty close to mine, except no Eldar, more marines, some guard and orks, and less overall netlisting.

>> No.51820417

>>51820318
Those don't look very willing.
Except perhaps the one in the middle.

>> No.51820429
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How is it fair that I came up with this list long before it won LVO, now I'm branded a faggot for fielding it?

1850 The Purge (Vraks Renegades and Heretics) [Primary Detachment]
HQ
Renegade Command Squad: 1x Arch Demagogue (Ordnance Tyrant, Devotion of Nurgle)

Elites
Renegade Strike Battery: Griffon, heavy flamer
Renegade Strike Battery: Griffon, heavy flamer
Renegade Strike Battery: 2x Renegade Wyverns, heavy flamers

Troops
20x Plague Zombies 120
20x Plague Zombies 120

Heavy Support
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training

Fortification
Aegis Defense Line, quad gun

___
Allied Detachment (Chaos Space Marines; Word Bearers Legion)
HQ
Sorcerer on palanquin, master level 3, spell familiar, bolt pistol, force sword

Troops
5x chaos space marines
Rhino, Perdus Rift Anomaly

Heavy Support
Fire Raptor, 2 reaper autocannon batteries, 4 balefire missiles

___
Heralds of Anarchic (Daemons)
HQ
Herald of Tzeentch, Paradox Psyker, ML3
Herald of Tzeentch, Endless Grimoire Psyker, ML1
7x Herald of Tzeentch, ML1

>> No.51820455

>>51820402
#Make40kLewdAgain

>>51820417
Of course they are willing! If they didn't want to they wouldn't be in that position in the first place!

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>that one guy who brings 3rd party overly sexualized models to your LGS and shows them all off to anyone who looks at it for longer than five seconds

Is there anything more cringe?

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Cawl called Trazyn a soulless manifestation of the Motive Force.

What the fuck does that mean?

>> No.51820478

Revised my mech/tank Guard list, right now at 1497/1500. Noticed there was a tank order from ABG that forces a re-roll of successful cover saves which should help my Demolishers.

>Armored Battle Group
Company Command Vanquisher +Lascannon, Co-axial Heavy Stubber, Beast Hunter Shells
6 Armored Fist Veterans +2 Meltaguns, Chimera +Autocannon
6 Armored Fist Veterans +2 Meltaguns, Chimera +Autocannon
Leman Russ Demolisher
Leman Russ Demolisher

>IG Allied Detachment
Pask Command Punisher +Lascannon
Squad Exterminator
Veterans +2 Plasma Guns, Grenadiers, Chimera
2 Wyvern Battery

>> No.51820484

>>51820429
Don't worry You'd have been a faggot for running it before LVO

That's coming from a renegades player

>> No.51820486

>>51820402
Someone who wants to ask Duncan how to paint these beauties?

>> No.51820488

>>51819975
Scorpions, Banshees, Reapers, Dragons are 4th edition metal sculpts from 2006. Avengers are plastic from the same year.
The Crimson Hunter thingy is obviously a sculpt from the last edition.

Swooping Hawks, Spiders, Spears are 2nd edition sculpts.

>> No.51820509

>>51820465
Bitching about it on 4chan.

>> No.51820519

>>51820488
the swooping hawks and the spears are quite good though.

war buggies are just as old and are easily the worst models in 40k at this moment.

>> No.51820530

>>51820484
>make one of the best lists possible
>labeled a faggot
Skill isn't only shown on the table

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>>51820475
>When you get roasted and don't even understand how

Motive force is anything that causes something to move, since he faps to toasters which means he probably is talking about electromotive force, he's probably saying disputed not having a soul he's putting all these events in motion like a battering producing voltage

>> No.51820546

>>51820519
Yet they make the much better, newer ones.

And still sell them too.

>> No.51820548

>>51820488
>Swooping Hawks, Spiders, Spears are 2nd edition sculpts.

The Hawks are more recent than that - 3rd edition or so, IIRC. There was at least one earlier incarnation of them.

>> No.51820556

>>51820216
" all melee D."
You mean the Dthrister that'll die to a moderate amount of firepower?

>>51820337
Ruins give you a 4+ wherever the shot is coming from so you'll still get it.
I would discuss with my opponent beforehand that the same applies (for infantry) to forests or other pieces of terrain that aren't fully "represented" for practical reasons.

>> No.51820581

>>51820488
I'm almost sure all Eldar models produce today are at least from 3rd edition.

The only second edition model still in production is the Ork buggy thingy if I recall correctly

>> No.51820588

>>51820556
>allow me to land for a turn and present my plump daemon rear for you to shoot to shit before I can charge

Also I'll consult the rule book but I believe if both of you are in the same cover you don't get a cover save

>> No.51820590

>>51820556
Daemons also have a khorne warlord traite and a very good relic.
>moderate amount of firepower
Depends what gifts they roll and how much psychic support you give them. They could easily end up with a 3++ (or better) and FnP.

>> No.51820599

>>51819926
He primes his models with automotive paints, but then never does anything more.

Thone riptide have been that way for over a year now. That broken gun on the crisis suit's base? He's been meaning to fix that for almost as long.

>> No.51820601

>>51820475
Mechanicum see motive force as a mystical combination of electricity and the machine spirit
So he is saying he is like an abominable intelligence AI

>> No.51820604

>>51820546
what? are you talking about the ork trukk?

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>>51820519
>not just looting something and orkifying it
DA ORK LAIF DID NoT CHOOZ YA, ROIGHT YA GROT?

>> No.51820620

>>51819340
That's like 4 times the maintenance, though.

>> No.51820627

>>51820455
To each his own. But I prefer more literal form of literally asking for it.

>> No.51820636

Lads i cant decide between a Mechanicum army and Khorne daemon kin.

WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE SO I CANT DO BOTH

>> No.51820641

>>51820620
So is personal hygiene.

>> No.51820652

>>51820636
#ThanksTrump

>> No.51820658

>>51820636
Mechanicum is 30k, so Khorne.

>> No.51820670

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IHFVn0sv14
how perfectly does this song fit the necrons?

>> No.51820690

>>51820636
Mix them together. Khornate Hereteks.

Run Ad Mech, ally in a close combat chapter of marines to fluff as renegades

>> No.51820696

>>51820590
>Khorne
>Psychic support

I'm a competitive player but are you really going there?

>> No.51820702

>>51820658
when i say mechanicum i mean skitarii and cult mechanicus

>> No.51820717

>>51820670
Is this just Cheetahanon shitposting theme songs that don't even apply?
I think my reports may have actually done something, I haven't seen a cheetah in a while

>> No.51820728

>>51820619
that looks terrible.

ork war buggies should be converted from either war koptas or land speeders.

>> No.51820731

>>51820717
different anon. My buddy linked it to me saying it fit night lords or dark eldar.

I thought that was retarded, and while the melody is way off, I think the lyrics nail it perfectly.

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>>51820702
Praise the Omnissiah anon.

>> No.51820739

>>51820702
Mechanicus, then.

Mechanicum is the old organisation and no longer exists.

>> No.51820745

>>51820417
Middle one? Vyridian?

>> No.51820757

>>51820696
>going
I do
On a regular basis
You got a problem?

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I'm currently in a Tau vs Tyranid game on TTS. Normally I don't bring this sort of list, but the Tyranid player specifically said "bring as many of your Riptides as you can" so here I am. The fortification's meant to be an Imperial Bastion w/ Comms Relay for his reserves.

We're on the start of his Turn 2 right now. Want a slow, live battle report?

>> No.51820786

>>51820733
>>51820739
Think ill go mechanicus with a knight or something, as i do like robots and shit since i collect tau

>> No.51820789

>>51820771
Will a "No" do any good?

>> No.51820797

>>51820786
Good choice.

Obligatory:

>Tau

>> No.51820801

>>51820728
>implying

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>>51820786
If you get a knight, you might as well.

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>>51820733
Glory Be the Omnissiah

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-sVTaZRPk

>> No.51820818

>>51820811
Fuck, I've been looking for this.

>> No.51820846

>>51820811
2/10 too many fleshy bits

>> No.51820864

>>51820804
>Formation is immune to Gets Hot
>Skitarii Vanguards in picture only have one plascal


GW just likes fucking with people with these pics, like how they've given all the Alphas CCWs and pistoles instead of rifles.

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Thoughts on this list? I still need to get another couple squads of reavers(I'mma get gangs of commorragh) and a few more taloses.

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>>51820846
Order Biologis best Ordo. Praise the sacred Human form with all it's glorious curves and jiggly bits!

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>>51820797
if its any consolation my tau list isnt pure cheese

>> No.51820904

>>51820866
also to note: it's an 1850 list, but I can't put the right shit on the taloses, so I just left the 100 points off it:

twin-linked haywire blasters and ichor injectors on all of them.

>> No.51820905

>>51820789
Okay :(
The Tyranid player is winning right now, too.

>> No.51820933

>>51820885
is solent your university

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was creating some lists to see what i could cram into 1850, how do you think this would go? Drop pods plz no bully.

>> No.51820943

>>51820885
THIN YOUR PAINTS

that or add more detail.

>> No.51820946

>>51820881
Human > Everything else

Marines and Mechanicus altering the Perfect human is fucking disgusting

>> No.51820951

>>51820599
GKbro you gonna be in Saturday for the massive Apocalypse game we're having? Please be my other 2000 pts I hate running Dark Angels

>> No.51820957

>>51820866
Personally I'd swap the Incubi out for moar blasterborn but that's probably just my aversion to close combat talking.

>> No.51820961

>>51820885
Better put something under those Tau, I heard the paint comes right off them!
You might wanna consider some shading and/or edge highlights though

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Also army pics?

>> No.51820998

>>51820933
at the maritime academy so sadly yes i have to be associated with solent.

>>51820943
i think its mostly the lighting but its my first army ive done in about 10 years

>> No.51821001

>>51820957
the incubi are the archon's court, and she's decked out for melee.

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So who ordered Cawl to prepare for resurrection for 10000 years? Guilliman himself?

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>>51820881
Truth there. Also, it lends itself to expendable minions where required.

>>51820946

How about improving it further? Marines aint got shit on an Archmagos Biologis, nor do they have subdermal forcefields and a few spare bodies for special occasions.

>> No.51821035

>>51821022
probably one of the other primarchs? We don't really know the timeline on them all disappearing.

>> No.51821039

>>51821022
High Lords: "If Cadia falls try to save us"

"Okay senpai"

*Resurrects Spiritual liege*

>> No.51821047

>>51821022
I would if GW bloody used a half competent shipping logistic.

Still waiting for my Cawl from the pre order.

>> No.51821054

>>51820804
Hang on a fucking second, is this saying that I basically only have to pay for the base unit cost for everything? Have I been this blind before?

>> No.51821065

>>51821034
Maybe?

Wait a second are you implying qt traps?

>> No.51821100

Wishlist for hypothetical IG 8th Edition:

>Rebalance Elites
The Ogryns need more resilience, the Ratlings more effective
>Rebalance Russes
The Punisher needs a nerf, the vanquisher a buff, and the ordinance Russes recosted.
>Put the formations in the codex please!
If we're gunna have them, at least have a definitive version in the codex. Seriously, there's at least 3 different Emp's Fist formations and 2 different Emp's Shield formations.
>Chimeras should get Autocannons.
Because I want space Bradleys
>More Heroes
If our faction has heroes without number, I'd like to see more characters to represent that. Fall of Cadia provides excellent fodder for this. I can imagine a hero Chimera that gains 'Fast' and can flat out after loading/unloading troops, just as an example.
>Another tank commander
This one gives extra orders to his unit and has outflank for a warlord trait. So if Pask is the shooty commander, this guy is the buffy commander.
>Regiment-Specific Orders
Since we are an army focused on teamwork and chain of command instead of individual skill, taking a specific regiment should confer special orders as an alternative to chapter tactics/Canticles of the Omnisiah.
>Give the Commissar a role
At this point, he's just a crappier priest. Sure a priest can't go to ground, but it wasn't like we wanted to waste our company commander's orders on get back into the fight anyways. Maybe something like "Commissar always responds to orders"
>Voxcasters extend order range instead of rerolls.
This eliminates the need for infantry armies to blob up as much since they can now benefit from company orders from further away. Increasing flexibility of the army as a whole.

>> No.51821104

>>51821065
Probably. Archmagi are quirky, basically above the law and have many toys. The one from Priests of Mars had a whole landship and body to playact as an Age of Sail Captain while exploring shit, I suspect there's a few around.

>> No.51821110

>>51821047
Don't scare me anon, I ordered a Cryptek and a Juggernaut today, and I don't wanna wait all that long. Then again, what are the chances of such old models taking so long to send? They're not exactly the hot new shit everyone wants now

>> No.51821117

>>51820905
Post the batrep my dude. Ignore the other anon

>> No.51821143

>>51821100
Canticles don't vary from army type to army type, I would be hella down for that though. Biologis healing canticles, Reductor explodey canticles, Explorator movement canticles...

Most of that sounds good, although IIRC Chimeras can get FW Autocannons, although maybe that's just the FW variant lists.

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R8 muh Wratihkngiht

>> No.51821165

>>51821100
The Punisher needs a nerf

BRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTNOOOOOOOOOOBRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>> No.51821174

>want to buy more models
>promised myself to fully paint everything I already have first
I feel like I'm the only person with a fully painted army, no one else bothers.

>> No.51821179

I'm thinking of adding a Death watch squad to my main force. I was planning to model three of them as Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Star Phantoms. What other chapters fit the spooky monster mash theme?

>> No.51821184

>>51821174
Offer to paint their armies.

>> No.51821185

new nids?

>> No.51821190

>>51821165
Not really.

>> No.51821199

>>51821179
Dont bother
Deathwatch a shit

>> No.51821205

>>51821190
exactly, the punisher is amazing.

>> No.51821207

>>51821100
>More Heroes
I feel like we already have things in place like that (sort of like Fighter Aces) but that suddenly gave me the idea that it'd be cool to be able to build-a-hero with units on the table. Like you can upgrade a unit, perhaps restricting it to one per army or one per FoC slot, with upgrades to represent a particular aspect or trait of that unit ("The crew of this tank have become legendary amongst their regiment and beyond for pushing the limits of their vehicle even beyond what considers sane; they can opt to fire their primary weapon twice, but it now Gets Hot, or something like that)

>>51820811
>hearing "Our Truth has come on-line" as "R-Truth has come on-line"
Please, leave him in the our millennium we don't need him.

>> No.51821215

>>51820465
NOT doing it, and then complaining about it because you're a seething jealous poorfag

>> No.51821225

>>51821110
Well I had to cancel an order of "made to order" products because they run out of stock.

I shit you not, GW sold me out of stock made to order models and then try to change my order for something else.
Funny thing is, i said fuck it and agree to that. Later they tell me they can't do that so I had to cancel the order.

4 months of mails back and forward trying to figure where my shit was till they admit they never send the crap.

>> No.51821226

>>51821150
Neat!

>> No.51821233
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>>51821207
>Please, leave him in the our millennium we don't need him.

Aww, dang man, my bad, sorry.

>> No.51821243

>>51821150
8/10 for technique
5/10 for colour use

>> No.51821261

>>51821226
Thanks.
>>51821243
What's wrong with the colors? I wanted to make my color scheme Purple and Crimson, and make it look sort of weird and alien.

>> No.51821274

>>51820942
All-Mighty Emperor that's a lot of artillery. 2D3 Str. 10 and 6 Str. 9 Pieplates, AND 4 Str. 6 Shredding 3" blasts!

But what's your plan to stop the enemy from just blitzing across the board and forcing friendly fire on your own men? Furthermore, if I bring Vanquishers, autocannons, and battle cannons to the fight how will you keep your big guns from being stun-locked?

>> No.51821298

>>51821184
But I paint like a blind man.

All I want is the gangs of commorragh stuff.
And some haemonculi stuff.
And to finish my blood angels.

>> No.51821307

>>51821100
Wishlist for hypothetical DE 8th edition
>Rebalance kabalite trueborn
they should be deployable as a squad of 3+ on their own so you don't have to waste spots on venoms
>buff wyches
as they are, they're inferior kabalites or incubi, making there be little point in running them
>fix mandrakes
either make them troops or give them a reason to exist over trueborn or incubi
>raiders and ravagers
let them take flickerfields again
>venoms
give them relentless
>weapons
I want splinter rifles/pistols to be S2, but that's a bit too much to ask I think. leave the cannons and pods at S1 to balance their salvo/assault power.

>more heroes/LoW
why the fuck isn't Vect around anymore? Lelith and Drazhar are fine, but Urien only has one formation specifically for him and as he is, I don't think he's really worth the points to run instead of just a haem in the rest of them.

Bring back our old heroes, and/or make Vect and his Dais a LoW.

And for fuck's sake, give us an anti-air Heavy Weapon.

>> No.51821325

>>51821205
>>51821190
>>51821165
At the very least, under Pask it should be less capable of popping tanks than the Vanquisher, which was specifically designed to pop tanks!

>> No.51821327

>>51819230
This is amazing. My next Troupe Master is going to look like this.

>> No.51821328

>>51821179
Disregard nay-sayers, add a Soul Drinker and a Black Dragon as a Vanguard

>> No.51821340

>>51820429
Seriously, if I plan to take this to tourneys what's the big fucking deal?

>> No.51821341

>>51819101
We all know when the Lion comes back it'll be with some new spikey bits everywhere, and maybe a tentacle or three.

>> No.51821343

>>51821325
Pask is what makes it so overpowered, a regular Bs3 punisher is only decent vs light infantry and AV10.

>> No.51821369

>>51821225
I sure hope they are not out of stock. Seriously, why would anything even be out of stock? I can't even get my Codex or a Destroyer, as they are out of stock in the online shop. What even is this shit.

I hope I can at least get Slambo from my LGS.

>> No.51821389

>>51821261
It lacks contrast, as is it's mostly a a purple lump with blue and green bits at the far ends.

Nothing to lend it crispness or accentuate it's shape.

>> No.51821408

>>51821341
>We all know when the Lion comes back it'll be with some new spikey bits everywhere, and maybe a tentacle or three.
Why? Is there a lot of warp emanations in the centre of The Rock?

>> No.51821416

>>51821150
looks dank

>> No.51821423

What the Guard need is a return to Regimental Doctrines. Just scrap orders and all that and let you build your own regiment to fight the way you want it to fight.

>> No.51821425

>>51821389
>Nothing to lend it crispness or accentuate it's shape.

What does that even mean?
There aren't many colors other than yellow that contrast well with crimson and purple.

>> No.51821433

>>51819623
Right at the time that they release a new Eldar codex that ends up being mediocre in power.

>> No.51821466

>>51821225
Ive bought like 3000 points of models from Ebay and never once had service even close to that bad. The worst was a month wait because USPS sent my morkanaught to Puerto Rico. Which wasn't even the sellers fault.

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>>51821274
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!

>> No.51821479

>>51821423
That would just be reskinned Chapter Tactics. Let's NOT be shitty marines and leverage our own unique mechanics.

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>>51820318

>> No.51821539 [SPOILER] 
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>>51820486
>those faces
>'beauties'
they're also pic related.

>> No.51821545

>>51821466
Well my Vyridian just arrive at the start of the month. I bought it on December.

On the flip side they resend it and now got two.

Now I wonder if I should ask again about my delay Celestine.

>> No.51821572

>>51821328
>Spoiler

Okay. Those guys sound cool, may need to be the Blackshield though.

A Black Dragon sounds like a fun addition as well.

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>>51821539
I just want Duncan to awkwardly fumble around while trying to make those abominations look good in some way.

>> No.51821598

>>51821479
I'm pretty sure we had doctrines first

>> No.51821618

>>51821408
He's not in the Rock, He got sucked up in a Warp hole after squaring off with Luther. The Chaos Gods abducted him during that fight, and they've been torturing him to break him down ever since.

C'mon, this is Grim Dark and the Dark Angles are the Unforgiven. It just dosen't get any juicier than their Primarch falling.

>> No.51821641

>>51821150
>suncanon and sheild

Literally the worst option

>> No.51821646

>>51819195
Sounds exciting. What units are you bringing?

What was that guy's army? Looks like Catachans with some Scions and a Knight. I dunno what the other tank is.

Also you inspired me earlier in the week and I've been working on my Catachan prisoner models to be Conscripts. In about 5 more days they will be all done and they will be ready to charge in for their salvation.

>> No.51821654

>>51821598
Really, I don't know why it's a big deal if it is reskinned chapter tactics. Chapter tactics are great. They're distinct bonuses that add flavor to an army and reward you for building your force a certain way.

I'm all for getting Ork Klan rules, Hive Fleet strains, Guard Regiments, and whatever else alongside Chapter Tactics and Legion traits

>> No.51821661

>>51821618
Read the codex then come back

>> No.51821694

>>51821641
Are you seriously complaining that an Eldar player took a less viable option rather than just going for the Double-D?

>> No.51821698

>>51821545
Yea I've generally heard good things about gw's service. Like getting a whole new box because of a couple miscast bits. Can't get that from Ebay. Though it's usually cheaper and if you look at the sellers ratings before buying, its pretty safe

>> No.51821719

>>51821661
Okay. Thanks for reminding me why I never payed any attention to GW's attempts at advancing the story before. Fucking hell, way to throw away some good drama.

>> No.51821757

>>51821698
I bought from GW. They have very odd shipping times. Some times I feel every city in the world is a small town.

They literally told me to ask my postman if he had something for me.

This is a metropolitan area I don't have a single postman that I can wait and ask if he has shit for me. The fuck is wrong with you?!

>> No.51821802

>>51821757
Where do you live?

>> No.51821807
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>>51821425
It means the purple/pink blend make the entire model "blend" take away definition.

Yellow is the only DIRECT contrast, that doesn't' mean it'a a good contrast.

You can do a lot with saturation and brightness.

Here's a dirty shoop that makes it pop a bit more.

>> No.51821840

does anyone have the exact quote or page number for magnus's "one primarch will turn traitor, one will go loyal"?

>> No.51821841

>>51821694
> taking the worst option to nerf yourself

That's not how I wanna beat eldar

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>>51821807
I don't want to use blue though, because my soulstones etc are all Green across my army.

But I see what you mean.

>> No.51821858

>>51821150
You've made the mistake of trying to blend two different makes of purple. You should be blending with white/black mixes of one color, not two different colors entirely.

>> No.51821862

>>51821150
Gracias herr doktor

>> No.51821864

Quick question,

GW has that whole thing about demonstrating your model's wargear ON them, but it should be pretty easily understood that a tactical marine that has two bolt pistols is still a fucking tactical marine and has a boltgun and a knife too, right?

Also, am I a fag if I give my assault (or tactical) sergeant that has a plasma pistol and a chainsword two plasma pistols? Since it's it's the exact same thing, but 15 pts cheaper?

>> No.51821868

>>51821641
What about sword n board?

>> No.51821888

>>51821857
Eva 01?

Cool thou

>> No.51821889

>>51821857
Green can work too, i just use blue cause it was the easyiset to hue shift to.

>> No.51821903

>>51821868
Sword and board is not the worst option, many people argue it's the best

>> No.51821907

>>51821864
Two pistols does actually matter as you can fire both.

>> No.51821930

>>51821857

>Eldarfags painting their wraiths as evafags

>>>/m/ is over there nigga, through they also hate NGE

>> No.51821959

>>51821930
>hating NGE

>> No.51821962

>>51821930
>through they also hate NGE
GOOD

>> No.51821976

>>51821907
But couldn't I fire "both" anyway since I get +1 A for two CC weapons with pistol and sword?

And a Tac Marine with two bolt pistols is still a Tac Marine, ergo, cannot actualy alter his loadout unless you give them a special or heavy weapon.

>> No.51821977

>>51821930
>implying anyone including the creator didn't also hate NGE

It's part of the community

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>>51821959
>>51821962

The only thing that is salvageable in NGE is Asuka, just throw her in any Gundam Setting and she will do well

>> No.51822006

>>51821976
I was more referring to the plasma pistol sergeant, as having two plasma pistols does have an effect over just one.

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So I bought the SC! box but was unsure what upgrades to add the Overlord to bring the list to 500 pts so I just added a Ghost Ark instead. Is this ok?

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R8 muh conversion

>> No.51822050

>>51822033
But anon, then you lose out on the formation, don't you?

>> No.51822056

>>51822033
Yes it's more than okay because it's a dedicated transport so it will fit in the force org of the formation

>your lord will just be all by his lonesome, maybe join the scarabs?

>> No.51822060

>>51821646
Bringing my entire collection of Guard:seven Leman Russes of various types,a few squads of Scions,a maxed out infantry platoon with flamers, a massive Conscript blob,a lascannon heavy weapons squad,primaris pysker,a Commissar,Priest,Wyvern,two squads if veterans with Chimeras,two tank commanders and Rough Riders.

My Dark Angels are basically just Tactical and Devastator squads with some termies,a Venerable Dreadnought and Vindicator.

>> No.51822064

>>51821474
I like this a lot. Looks like a fun list.

>> No.51822072

>>51822035
looks like that scorpion from the first transformers film.
i like it

>> No.51822075

>>51822050
As far as I know it doesn't prevent you from taking a dedicated transport.

>> No.51822076

>>51822035
Very nice Anon, do you have a guide?

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>>51821888
>>51821930
My color scheme has nothing to do with NGE you memeing fucks.

It came sorta accidentally when I painted this figure. It was the first model I painted with this scheme.

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>>51822035
Would put in Mr. Anderson's belly button/10

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>>51819203
I remember someone here "lost" a Imperial Space Marine when a few hoodlums walked into his FLGS while he was playing a game.

Personally though, I've only ever lost a bit here an' there. I thought I lost some Death Company a while ago, but it turns out I was just counting wrong because I'm retarded. I did lose a squad of Terminators and a Karlaen per se, though again, it was to my own retardation rather than any actual physical disappearance of the model. Pic related, I painted him with some Testors Enamel paint, panicked when I realized I fucked up, then fucked up even harder by using paint thinner to strip him and his squad. Pretty much melted all the detail straight off of them. Still not sure what to do with 'em.

>> No.51822102

>>51821307
>reduce to wytches and wracks to 8 points and make wracks troop choices
archon + kabalites for a kabal force, succubus + wytches for a wytch cult, haemonculi + wracks for a covern.
A HQ and troops choice for each.
>buff wytch weapons
Give them either a better AP or rending
>Phantasm grenades
Make them the same as the harlequin ones
>venoms
transport capacity 6 for attached characters
>power from pain
move the chart up one so it starts at FnP 6+
>wargear
reduce the price of various weapons, especially power swords
>liquifer gun and soul siphon
Make then strength 4
>hellions
Give them jink as a special rule and reduce them to 10ppm
>razor wing/void raven
av 11/11/10.
Reduce the cost of missles to 10/15 points on the raven and reduce the raven's cost.
Give the raven a second void mine.
>husk blade
For 25 points this thing should be ap2 or at least have poison.

>> No.51822104

>>51822076
Turn the head and tail around, from the looks of it

>> No.51822106

>tfw using sector imperialis bases for dark angels
>tfw realize the bike bases aren't sold seperately, but only come in a set with 6 60mm bases and 6 90mm bases too
>tfw have to spend like £20 just for bases for 6 bikes

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>>51822076
Kinda based it off the spiky bits model, just google "canoptek scorpion"

>> No.51822118

>>51822050
I thought dedicated transports were just unit upgrades that don't affect formation slots. At least that's what I garnered from reading.

>>51822056
>your lord will just be all by his lonesome, maybe join the scarabs?

Yeah I guess he would be alone or I could drop the Ghost Ark put him in the blob and just add upgrades/scarabs. What would you suggest?

>> No.51822127

>>51820318

Was every sculpt of Vyridian so butterfaced? The detail doesn't seem to stand out very much?

>> No.51822133

>>51822097
sell them on ebay as 'expert painted'

>> No.51822154

>>51821654
I'm saying that Orders are better for the guard than discount chapter tactics because they help to differentiate the guard from other factions.

They're unique to our faction, they fit better with the Guard's fluff, and they put emphasis on the HQ without the usual risks that come with a good HQ i.e. Deathstars.

Chapter Tactics and its equivalents basically says "These guys are better at X. They became better at X through practice, wargear, or training".
Orders for the guard says "We are NOT better at X. But we become better at X by trusting our commanders and our comrades to do what is asked of them. Alone we are nothing, and only together are we strong."

>> No.51822157

>>51819203
I lost my heldrake and plague hulk when I moved house.
Found them a few weeks later.
I don't know what sort of stories you were expecting.

>> No.51822180

>>51819203
Lost a model, found it a week later in the wrong container

Any crazy stories of loosing dice?

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>>51822060
Hype. 2 massive blobs sounds fun.

Right now I only have 2 blobs of 30. I'm trying to bring this list against someone but every time I try to play 1850, people end up asking for some random point value and I'm left making up a list on the spot. These are pretty much all the models I have built and painted right now.

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r8 my talos conversion

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>>51819080

I think we Should call Guilliman Darth Macragge from now on, because really, his new armor is vader's life support and the golden throne fused into one

like father, Like Son

>>51822001

one of /m/ wettest dreams is probably a SRW with Her, Duo maxwell, Simon, Haman Karn and Domon being the misfits getting shit done

>> No.51822249

>>51822234
Flesh tail looks weird

Also the blood on the tail looks cartoony

>> No.51822253

>>51822154
And what's wrong with having both? What's wrong with certain regiments excelling in specific areas in addition to knowing how to work together?

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is Gangs of Commorragh any good?

thinking of picking it up to play with my gf

>> No.51822274

>>51822249
yeah, I just got some Blood for the Blood God to make it better.

>>51822266
seems pretty okay, but the value in it lies with the fact it's around $160 worth of models for $70

>> No.51822281

>>51822266
It's pretty fun and reavers are really good units

>> No.51822290

>>51822127
I got two and both look like shit.

Tity models where cheaper than Vyridian and had better quality

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>>51819284
Jesus fuck, is that what I think this is

>> No.51822305

>>51819412
They've BEEN able to deep strike... they are skimmers...

>> No.51822311

>>51822290

What the fuck happened, the one on GW store has decent cut but the ones we got had really soft detail. It looks like something fucked up. How recently did you buy the second one? I was wondering if it was only the first batch they fugged up.

>> No.51822313

>>51822154
I think both is a good way to go. I absolutely love orders just saying. I would like to have orders as well as unique orders for certain factions while losing other standard ones.

Also things like Catachans having Infiltrate, 6+ armor, army wide stubborn and restrictions on what other units they can bring like no artillery, no flyers, no psykers, or limited russes. Stuff like that as an example.

Or for another army, things like +1 Initiative when in base to base contact.

>> No.51822323

>>51822305
Skimmers can't deep strike inherently.

>> No.51822330

>>51822305
Skimmers can't deep strike retard

>could you imagine what I would do with deep striking ghost arks?

>> No.51822442

>>51822313
I disagree with pidgeonholing certain regiments like that. It should be more general stuff, like having Catachans represent most Deathworld regiments.

As for the exact rules, a better option would be scout for all units not in vehicles and under a certain size, Furious Charge to represent higher than average strength, and Stubborn for the grit.

That gives a different way of running Guard that favors more small units that move forward quickly and have stubborn to offset the small unit sizes. Throw in an Order to give a squad Rampage and you've really got an army of Rambos in space.

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>>51822311
I bought the first release and got a replacement since it seems the first one got lost.

Later the replacement and the original purchese arrive.

Both looking like shit

>> No.51822461

>>51819381
In the German translation his name is Roboute Guillaume because Gulliman means Sewer Man in German..

>> No.51822472

>>51822442
I'd be down for that.

>> No.51822475

>>51820951
Maybe. I need to be in the city that morning for work, so I will likely be late. With the turbo-autists that beg for apoc games, I doubt they'd let me in. For fucks' sake, they bitched a guy out for being a point over in a 16k game.

>> No.51822479

>>51822302
Dildo

>> No.51822480

>>51822443
god, fuck finecast.
>tfw a pretty good chunk of the DEldar army is still finecast
it hurts.

>> No.51822486

>>51822443

I might have to buy another one at some point and investigate, I have a feeling they fucked the first batch.

If you compare the skull on her loincloth with the one on the GW store you can see it's not supposed to be that shit.

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>>51819195

>> No.51822553

>>51821054
It's from WD and won't make you any friends, but yes.

>> No.51822573

>>51822461
Accurate since he's sewer tier waifu

>> No.51822578

>>51822486
One is first batch the other is either third or 4th. Both look like shit.

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>>51822486
I bought a box of incubi a couple weeks ago.

>I had a klaive snap in half from a slight fall
>A base stem snapped in half while I was slipping it into place(it was also warped as fuck),
>Their sashes aren't defined, they're formless blobs,
>The backs of their weapons and arms are all featureless blobs because the assumption is you won't see them(you can)

Fuck finecast.

>> No.51822649

>>51822472
Yeah. The key is to come up with something fitting for an existing regiment in fluff, but not add too many restrictions so people can apply it to their own ideas as well.

For Cadians, as another example, it would be more about regiments specializing in defenses against particularly terrifying forces. Adamantium Will would be a good starting point, as would Overwatch at BS 2 or Counterattack for extra line-holding ability. Probably a third benefit as well, though overall I'm not familiar enough with Guard regiments or fluff to make the best suggestions here.

>> No.51822672

>>51822479
yeah no shit, but.....with eggs? I'm genuinely impressed someone actualy decided to make and manufacture this.

>> No.51822686

>>51816473
Jacobus is great for a Guard blob gunline especially in a Castellan detachment.

Prescience + First Rank Fire Second Rank Fire + Enemy charging + Prescience'd Overwatch + Hatred + Counter-Attack

>> No.51822702

>>51822672
How are you even surprised

>> No.51822721

>>51822672
Girls have weir/d/ fetishes too.

>> No.51822726

>>51822672
In a world where someone starts two wars and is given the noble peace prize. You are surprise of dildos that insert eggs?

>> No.51822730

>>51822642
GW make shit finecast
You take shit photos
Match made in heaven.

>> No.51822742

>>51819294
If it's geedubs it's fine no matter how old it is

>> No.51822756

>>51822721
>girls

Anon you and me both know majority dudes are using that

>> No.51822773

>>51822756
Trust me there are many girls using it too. There's a few girls with dyed hair on youtube that have reviewed it.

>> No.51822778

>>51822726
That was the most awkward crowbaring of politics into a conversation I've ever seen

>> No.51822786

I really don't know if I want to paint my Dark Angel army as regular Dark Angels, or as a successor, or as a homebrew chapter.

I think I could do the green okay, but I don't think my painting skills are up to Ravenwing or Deathwing.

>> No.51822789

>>51822756
>men
>with weird impregnation fetishes
>not women
???

>> No.51822797

>>51822721
>>51822773

Now you see why Nids are prefered by women.

>> No.51822808

>>51822642
that's what you get for not getting metal ones from ebay

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>>51822797
That.......actualy makes a lot of sense, now that I think about it.

>> No.51822844

>>51822778
I'm from a third world country that got skull fucked by the Soviet Union and the USA.

We live in a crazy world.

>> No.51822859

>>51822808
I'm still new to the game. I didn't realize finecast was THAT BAD. I figured the horror stories about finecast were exaggerations or isolated incidents.

>> No.51822871

>>51822859
It is hard to demand quality when the a large part of the consumer are shills.

>> No.51822882

In a Castellan detachment, if you take Scions and they die and come back on a 5+, can they come back in via Deep Strike? Or do they walk on the board?

>> No.51822911

>>51822859
finecast is ... troubling
some things are far better detailed than any metal or plastic i have seen
but there are issues sometimes with miscasts

also small things are likely to break as the material is rather brittle, for example i had to glue the staff from the necron cryptek

>> No.51822913

>>51822882
We don't know. There are example in FAQ saying yes while others (nids) saying no.

Personally if you are running glorious T3 Castellans I'd allow it, if you add a single marine in there I won't.

>> No.51822932

>>51821930
Wait, what's wrong with NGE?

>> No.51822937
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>>51822443
Is it bad I prefer this conversion to the actual model? Even being a pretty big oldhammerfag, I think the actual model looks pretty bad, and being finecast doesn't really help it any.

>> No.51822938

>>51822911
At least the chinaman resin is constant. GW resin has brittle, hard and soft areas in the same bloody model part

>> No.51822953

>>51822937
Looks awesome.

>> No.51822957

>>51822937
That looks hideous, tbqh.

>> No.51822961

>>51822932
He's a cunt don't bother.

>> No.51822966

>>51822913
My army is mostly a big Guard platoon, Rough Riders, Bullgryn, Jacobus and I just wanted to fill out the other 3 troop slots with Scions for cheap troops and also mobility/anti-armor.

I'm also not sure if I can run Straken in the Castellan detachment. It says a Company Command Squad, but it doesn't really specify anything else. It does go out of its way to say you can have Pask and then also a Tank Commander, so that's leading me to believe you cannot take Straken/Creed.

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>>51822953
>>51822957
Now kiss

>> No.51822975
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51822975

(1/2) Greetings, famously-kind-and-patient /40kg/!!

I'm a very new player who just started collecting a month or so ago, and I'm seeking some advice for my Ork Clan, the NutStompa'z

>inb4 just quit while you're behind

I know, I know. But Orkz are what got me into playing video games like DoW1 and DoW2 years ago, and I've been an Ork Fanatic ever since. Losing is just the Ork Life. As long as I can express myself in the way I want to play, then I'm relatively happy. I'm not interested in WAAC spamming my way to victory, so spamming bikes isn't my style. But I'd still like to have a competitive chance, so here we are.

Which brings me to my list. This list has been compiled as a general "melee-focused but overall balanced" army that would be able to deal with commonly found other shooty armies such as Guard, Space Marines, Eldar, Tau, Necron, etc.

I've been watching a lot of battle reports on youtube, and I figure I have a better chance to survive into turn 3 if I utilize line of sight blockers in a non-conventional way. My *plan* to make it through open areas is to use the large size of my battle wagons to basically drive as SIDEWAYS as I can, with most of my boyz following close behind OUTSIDE of the vehicle, positioned in such a way that most enemy units would'nt be able to spot my boyz. Then, I would utilize all my bikers and stormboyz to jump over my own boyz and battle wagon, and make it into melee by declaring a WAAGH at the same time my snikrot kommandos make it onto the field from behind (ideally). The buffed up klaw kommandos would go looking for a fight, and the weaker kommando squad would go capture any objectives and just go to ground. All the while I have a couple zzap guns hopefully softening up big targets for me on my backline. If my opponent wanted to deep strike and take out my mek gunz, I wouldn't care - hes just splitting himself up.

>> No.51823011

>>51822966
Again FoC along with WM, TL and IA are a mess of rules.

>> No.51823016
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>>51822937
My conversion is better

>> No.51823021

>>51822932
>>51822961


go to >>>/m/ and they will explain why

>> No.51823023

How the hell WG want to sell their products when half of armies are still failcast, or even metal(plastic SoB in February rumors XD).

>> No.51823029

>>51822938
never bought chinaman, only finecast with varying degrees of satisfaction, it was never abhorrent but sometimes disappointing.

I hear similar from FW but i have too little to make a statement for that

>> No.51823040

>>51823023
I mean GW.

>> No.51823054
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51823054

>tfw going to anvil industries for the first time
>mfw exo-lords
>EXO-LORDS

>> No.51823068

(2/2) cont.

I have a couple of requirements so far. I'm definitely keeping my meganobz, because I have four ork juggernauts from Kromlech, and theyre so amazing looking that I dont care how many points they cost. I also just spent 1.5 weeks painting up my stormboyz, so they're in as well. I'm also enamoured with kommandos, and I just want to maximize their effectiveness by being able to outflank. Kind of like an Iron Maiden torture device - you have spikes in the back, spikes closing in from the front, and somoene is throwing baseballs (mek gunz) at you from far away while youre trying to escape.

Any advice / tips / general help other than "kys" and "give up now"?

Should I replace my rokkits with big shootas? Should I change up my battle wagon wargear? Anything else?

Thanks in advance!!

>> No.51823073

>>51823016
Better? Arguably.
More realistic and feasible? Certainly not.
In any case, I still like it. Valkia needs a 40k equivalent or at the very least a resurrection in AoS.

>> No.51823106

>>51822975
if you use the battlewagons as sightblockers keep them cheap as they have rather fragile sides

Hope that the rumored 8th edition will be kinder to orks

>> No.51823111

A a Tau player, how do you deal with Wraithknight spam?
They're almost 100 points less than a Stormsurge, and Stormsurges only get 4 D Missiles that each need a Markerlight just to make them D.
The Stormsurge formations are nowhere near as strong as Dreamwalker (even if Monsoon can lock down a Ghostglaive Wraith).
Riptides are virtually the same cost, but nowhere near as strong.
Tiger Shark is overcosted.
Bringing Fusion/Plasma-spam Crisis Suits or Sniper Teams "works", but it takes too many shots to realistically bring it down.

Is Tau'nar the only choice, or am I missing something?

>> No.51823118
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51823118

All this finecast talk, how bad are Aspect warrior models?

>> No.51823121

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Soul_Grinder
>For the distant few that want a vanilla Soul Grinder for fun, homebrew logic suggests using Khorne Grinder rules while subtracting Mark of Khorne and Furious Charge.

That true, /tg/?

>> No.51823139

>>51823023
>half of armies are still failcast
You wot M8?
Outside of sisters and inquistion, which armies are majority failcast or metal?
Sure many lines have failcast models, but the vast majority of armies are plastic at this point, and only sisters and inquistion don't have at least thier core units in plastic (core being HQ and troops).

>> No.51823148

>>51822975
give bossnobs a shoota, can't us slugga an klaw at the same time so it's a free extra shot.

Kombi-Skorchas are shit on meganobs as you can't overwatch

Rather than rokkits on boys considers them on kommandoes as they can get rear shots in more reliably.

Also I'd advise you blob your bikers, as is each unit will get blow off the table in a turn.

Do not A*rd case removes assault vehicle AND reduces fire points.

>> No.51823168

>>51823054
I saw one sight that had fuckin' Mechanical Adepts and Space Warriors and other such names. Had a good chuckle.

>> No.51823187

>>51823168
now the real question is if they're good quality despite bootleg names

>> No.51823221

>>51823118
Scorpions suffer from bendy chainswords,
Banshees are even worse at bandy weapons than scorpions, the exarch with executioner is just suicide tier, most end up removing the shaft, replacing it with steel wire and re-fitting the head.

Spiders and Fire dragons are almost solid lumps so no real possibility for problems there.

Hawks are a mixed bad, low weight is a bonus but their guns tend to get droopy

Only had Reapers in metal but they're fairly solid models so expect little isssue.

>> No.51823223

>>51823139
Eldar aspects. All IG regiments that are not Cadian or Catachan. Most of named characters in all factions.

>> No.51823235

>>51822578

Oh well, cheers anyway. I guess I'll have to do what I can.

Fuck knows what Slambo will look like.

>> No.51823238

>>51822975
Probably one of the shittest lists I've ever seen.

You're fielding nothing of worth at 1850 and should stick to lower point games.

>> No.51823293

>>51823139
Well when half of the armies are marines, yes almost every army is in plastic. Try harder shill.

>> No.51823310

>>51820083
massive pain in the fucking ass to work with metal

>> No.51823339
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>>51820728

I dunno, I'm rather fond of my pirWAAAAAGHna.

>> No.51823354

>>51823238

Thanks for the in-depth analysis there m8, but could you tell me a little more?

>> No.51823356

>>51823339
What are the rokkits I hate that I spell rocket like this without even thinking from

>> No.51823369

Can a Farsight Enclave Crisis Suit take Signature Systems from BOTH the Tau Codex AND the Farsight list?

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>>51823339
>tfw you're not an ork cuck

>> No.51823408
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>>51823354
Its shit.

You're running boys, which are shit.

More boys in a formation that makes you think they're going to do stuff but its just boys who have made it further up the board. Not to mention only five of them.

Shit.

Aside from your MANZ and your 2 groups of 3 bikes you're footslogging.

Your entire strategy revolves around pretending armies don't move and your side drifting Battlewagons can somehow offer your shit boys shit cover for shit durability.

Nothing in your list will do anything while its on your table and for 1850 points you accomplish nothing, have no field presence, and aren't playing to any strengths.

May as well be fielding this bullshit.

>> No.51823418

>>51823356

The one the gunner is aiming is from the old metal Deff Dread kit.

The ones under the wings are just the ones from the new Deff Dread kit. Just cut one in half and stuck it on sideways to an uncut one.

>> No.51823435

>>51823369
Check the new tau and FE faqs

>> No.51823440

>>51822830
anon, like, it was first thing that popped to my mind ever. Second was the fact that nids look kinda cute.
How can you be that pure?

>> No.51823447

>>51823408
Why no noob in da naut?

>> No.51823455

>>51821054
>>51820804
This is the formation I'm working on building at the moment, I want a full Ryza Army.

>> No.51823456

>>51822975
You spend points of bad upgrades.

I'd honestly remove the klaws on the boyz and kommandos, they'll never live long enough to do anything meaningful with them. Cutting them will save points.
The kommandos would just have to stand there for a turn after outflanking/infiltrating anyway, just keep one squad with a klaw and make that the one snikrot joins.

Get rid of the 'ard case, grot riggers, extra armour on the battlewagons and rokkit launchers on the first wagon.

If you can, move the rokkit boyz to the tank busta squad, you should put the meganobz in one wagon and tankbustas in the other.

Don't drive the wagons sideways, they have shit side armour.

Zapp gunz a shit, run them as mega kannons.

Group your bikers.

Any spare points left spend on increasing the size of your squads.

>> No.51823459

>>51819178
>Negrons riot and set the entire galaxy on fire
Sounds about right

>> No.51823469

A few questions about skitarii and painting as /wip/ seems to never reply to me.

First of all is the sicarian killclade worth running.
Second, should I be taking the haywire special weapons (arc rifles I yhink) or plasma cavaliers.

Third, will people hate me for running a dragoon in kill team?

Finally, what are some ways to achieve an effect of writing on a mini, my hands always shake too much for me to use a brush so could I use a very fine pen?

>> No.51823471

>>51820581
many warlocks are 2nd, if not earlier
the finecast servitors
some metal guard (mordian, tallarn) and maybe the old commissars
the assold SM bike is as well
some old CSM named chars like Abbydon the failless
the falcon and vyper are from 2nd edition


i might have missed something

>> No.51823483

>>51823221
Thanks.

Really want to get some, but finecast is holding me back. Might get some dragons or reapers now.

>> No.51823494

>>51823148

Thank you anon, I appreciate the advice, but let me explain my reasoning a little more:

I put 'ard case on my wagons because I'm envisioning scenarios when someone else is bike spamming me and tries to surround my blobbed units to get better shots. If I have extra access points on the sides of my wagon, I could retreat many of my units inside of the wagon and come out the other side. Also, I could better utilize my unit layout by going in one side and out the other if I do make it into range successfully. I'm aware that I can;t depart a vehicle and assault in the same turn (I think), so I just wanted to give my regular boyz some options and not force them to go around a big ol bus. Unless I'm mistaken, then please let me know.

My reasoning behind giving kommandos some klaws is that I can tie up back lines in melee, instead of shooting at them with rockets and missing.

As for my meganobz, I just wanted variety and options. Are you sure that I'd be overwatching that frequently with meganobz? Do people try and engage them in melee when they all have klaws? I'm only a month into collecting and havent played an actual game yet, but if thats a thing that happens, I'll switch it up.

I'll blob up my bikes though for sure. I split them up into 2 groups so they can tie up more enemy squad and have a better chance of surrounding by splitting up. I know I'm more likely to lose morale that way, but this is my thought process so far.

Also thanks for the bossnob shoota tip.

Anything else?

>> No.51823504

>>51823447
Don't want to overwhelm my opponent with unstoppable units.

>> No.51823518
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I just realized I now have enough models to run an 1850 list...technically. How obvious is it that I just fully dakka'd out all my units?

>> No.51823520

>>51823435
Page 52
– Forces of the Enclaves, Signature Systems
Change this rule to read:
‘Any character in a Farsight Enclaves Detachment or
Formation that may select Signature Systems may use the
Signature Systems of the Farsight Enclaves (opposite),
at the points costs shown, in addition to the Signature
Systems from Codex: Tau Empire. An XV104 Riptide
Battlesuit in a Farsight Enclaves Detachment may select
an Earth Caste Pilot Array at the points cost shown.’

Thank you

>> No.51823532

>>51819105
>Rise of THE Primarch
>Singular

Guilliman the only loyalist coming back confirmed

>> No.51823540

>>51823408

Alright I getchya a little more, but uumm.... forgive the noobiest of the noob question here, but arent I required to field at LEAST 3 squads of boyz per my 2 HQ's?

>> No.51823556

>>51823494
WIthout 'ard case battlewagon are open topped so you can embark/disembark/assault out in any direction.

As for Meganob variety.. 40k's golden rule is Specialize or fail al ALL the jobs, unless you are a scatterbike.

>> No.51823563

Reposting my list; last thread was filled with forgeworld shitposting.

Chaos Space Marines (Alpha Legion)
(1848/1850)
HQ [1]

Sorcerer (180pts) Force Stave, Mastery Level 3, The Mindveil, Sigil of Corruption, Spell Familiar

Elites [1]

Chaos Contemptor (290pts) Chainfist, Plasma Blaster (2), Havoc Launcher, Dedication of Nurgle, Extra Armor

Troops [4]

10x Chaos Space Marines (160pts)
>1x Aspiring Champion
>8x Chaos Space Marines
>1x Chaos Space Marine; Lascannon

10x Chaos Space Marines (160pts)
>1x Aspiring Champion
>8x Chaos Space Marines
>1x Chaos Space Marine; Lascannon

6x Chosen (283pts) Dreadclaw Drop Pod-(Dedicated Transport)
>1x Chosen Champion; Combi-Melta, Power Maul
>5x Chosen; Melta Gun

5x Chosen (265pts) Dreadclaw Drop Pod-(Dedicated Transport)
>1x Chosen Champion; Power Maul
>4x Chosen; Plasma Gun

Heavy Support [3]

2x Chaos Rapier Weapons Battery (140pts)
>1x Rapier; Hades Autocannon
>1x Rapier; Cyclotrathe Pattern Conversion Beamer

2x Chaos Rapier Weapons Battery (140pts)
>1x Rapier; Hades Autocannon
>1x Rapier; Cyclotrathe Pattern Conversion Beamer

1x Chaos Relic Sicaran (230pts) Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Malefic Ammo, Warpflame Gargoyles, LoR: Perdus Rift Anomaly, Extra Armor

>> No.51823578

Imagine.
Sanguinius coming back as ghost of pure rage and blood.

>> No.51823613

>>51823540
No, thats the Ork Horde detachment.

Just use a regular Combined Arms Detachment cad (the one found in the rulebook).

Then its just minimum 1 HQ 2 Troops

>> No.51823645

>>51823532

>never read wrath of magnyaniac
>one son shall fall, one son shall return to the light

its still part 1

>> No.51823646

>>51823456

Excellent advice, hopefully youc an educate me a little more:

I realize wagons have weak armor in general, especially side armor, but that's why I was just gonna put my meganobz in one and nothing in the other, footslogging my boyz up the field. That way, if my wagons explode, very little true value will be lost, while my bikes and stormboyz can still move straight over them when necessary. If this is way too convoluted of a plan though, I'll ditch it.

I heard that ork upgardes are too costly right now, so if you recommend having more boyz with less gear, I'll do it.

>> No.51823661

>>51823494
>I'm aware that I can;t depart a vehicle and assault in the same turn
You can if they're open-topped but 'ard case makes it so they're not.
If you gave the boyz trukks or let them in the wagons they would be allowed to depart and charge in the same turn.
>My reasoning behind giving kommandos some klaws is that I can tie up back lines in melee, instead of shooting at them with rockets and missing.
They can't charge the turn they outflank/infiltrate so they're going to have to just sit there for a turn.
Give them burnas and outflank them, burnas can be used as power swords.
>Are you sure that I'd be overwatching that frequently with meganobz
They CANT overwatch at all and most of the targets they want to klaw aren't even scared of scorchas, don't waste points on one shot weapons.

>> No.51823678

>>51823111
No ones going to take your b8 dude

Give it a rest it's embarrassing

>> No.51823682

>>51822721
my gf plays deldar

>> No.51823683

>>51823646
>having more boyz with less gear

Boys are shit, stop running boys.

>> No.51823698

>>51823645
>implying that doesn't mean Guilliman will kill Magnus and then ascend to the Golden Throne so Emps can finally die and be reborn for Age of the Emperor

>> No.51823705

>>51823494
>Are you sure that I'd be overwatching that frequently with meganobz?

Re-read Slow and Purposeful

>> No.51823714

>>51823678
I know people here hate Tau despite the tournament results, but it was a legitimate question.

>> No.51823719

>>51823646
Battle wagons cost a shitload of points.

av14 front armour isn't bad and a killikannon is a good weapon, it can justify it's points cost if you're using it that way but it's way too costly to use as moving cover. I mean, it costs more than the squads you're using it to protect!

Klaws are good on nobz but not if they're in a squad that won't live to see much combat.

Boyz are disposable meat shields and nothing more. 25 points may not seem like much but when the base squad is 60 points that's almost a 50% increase, unless you're running them as one huge horde it's not worth it.

>> No.51823724

Jesus Christ, Orks are actually so fucking terrible. I actually feel genuenly bad seeing their "options".

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>>51823714
You aren't fooling anyone. Even a Taufag couldn't actually be that retarded. Here's a consolation (You), so settle down.

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>>51822975
Here you go kid, run this list.

>> No.51823758

>>51823714
I just find it hard to believe that someone playing the army that actually can just vaporize a not psychically buffed wraithknight rather easily has problems with them and thinks they need to resort to forge world

>> No.51823759
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>>51823724
Its ok, we'll get something good eventually

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>>51823613

I'm not about to tell you you're wrong, but how else can I interpret this organizational chart from the ork codex?

If I really do only have to take 2 troops, then hooray for me, that changes a lot.

>> No.51823815

>>51823762
that looks like it belongs to some formation
the 'regular' one is in the The_Roolz book not the Kodex

>> No.51823827

>>51820475
I heard the only thing he can't steal, are skittles

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>>51823762
What part of >thats the Ork horde detachment, wasn't clear?

That is an Ork specific Detachment that you can CHOOSE to run to get those benefits.

The alternative and much better choice is the rulebook detachment called Combined Arms (because of objective secured and no 3rd troop choice tax).

Seriously, read the rulebook and then read it again, and then read it a third time.

>> No.51823830

>>51823738
I'm both retarded and new.

>>51823758
>the army that actually can just vaporize a not psychically buffed wraithknight rather easily
My question was how I can do that. I listed reasons that I figure didn't work.
If it's not clear, I'm not talking about one or two Wraithknights, because a Stormsurge can probably beat them 1:1 and taking two at 1850 points isn't too costly. I'm talking about a 4+ Dreamwalker formation.

>resort to forge world
Resort?

>> No.51823841

>>51823759
I was mostly referring to mwg battle report. Shit Orks had to do with was just sad with AdMech being there for comparison.

>One use S10 AP1 Armorbane
>hits on 5s!
>don't forget to roll for not doing shit this turn!

>> No.51823842

>>51823724
>you know how flamers are 5 points? have a 15 point one!
>why is it 15 points?
>because it can also be used a power sword!... but not on the turn you actually used it as a flamer.
>so I can't shoot or use it overwatch and use it as an ap3 weapon? can I at least give it to my nob?
>nope, only on your s3 boyz!
>Wait, sorry, did I say boyz? I mean all these shitty specialist squad of Ork boyz with no armour save
>have fun!

>> No.51823846

>>51823762

That's an optional detachment. You can always elect to use a standard Combined Arms Detachment from the main Rulebook.

Furthermore, you don't have to take Boyz. Grots are also troop choices, and are pretty much the superiour option every time. They're cheap, they sit on objectives, and most importantly, they fulfill the mandatory troop slots, giving you more points to spend on the actually effective stuff in your army, like Meganobz, Lootas, Tankbustas, Mek Gunz and Biker Boyz.

A note on list-building in the current edition; you can have as many Detachments as you like. Formations are a type of Detachment. Nothing stops you from running 3 Combined Arms Detachments if you feel like it.

>> No.51823854

>>51819334
You have some good ideas anon, please plaster that all over /tag/ as it is wipe and when you're finished. I'd like to see that.

>> No.51823863

>>51823841
But they're really fired up!

>> No.51823891

>>51823830
just pour firepower in it
lots of firepower

yes wraithknights are one of the most undercosted units in the game, but as tau player you are not even allowed to be in the complain line. Look at codex DE or nids or orks to find what they have against it.

>> No.51823893

>>51823719
>but it's way too costly to use as moving cover. I mean, it costs more than the squads you're using it to protect!

geez, looking at another list like the one below, I can see what you mean...
>>51823744

What I was trying to avoid the entire time is the horrible failure I keep seeing on channels like tabletoptactics or miniwargaming where the ork players just drive headfirst straight at tau firing lines and hope for the best. So my thought process was to give myself ever-moving cover. But seeing how expensive the wagons are when I intend to use them that way, I really do have very little field presence.

Is there any other way to avoid the "hope the shooty army rolls low while I drive straight at them and hopefully not die" syndrome?

>> No.51823900
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51823900

R8 my Uprising of Mutants
Going for a mechanised approach, is going MSU this heavy feasible with GSC?

>> No.51823922

>>51823893
Forgeworld and play greenfaced IG artillery spam.

>> No.51823931

>>51819623
It always baffles me that Russian sculpts like this exist, is there some fucking art institute in Russia pumping out sculptors (unlike shitty western art academies) that do this to make a quick buck?

Second point of the question/observation: HOW THE FUCK HAVENT THE CHINKS BEEN RECASTING SHIT LIKE THIS SO WE CAN ALL HAVE GLORIOUS UPDATED ASPECT WARRIORS. FUCK.

>> No.51823943

>>51823900
>Mutants

>> No.51823945

>>51823494
>If I have extra access points on the sides of my wagon, I could retreat many of my units inside of the wagon and come out the other side.

The entire vehicle is an access point if you leave it Open Topped.

>My reasoning behind giving kommandos some klaws is that I can tie up back lines in melee

There are very few units that 5 Kommandos can assault and reliably tie up. There's a case for giving them a Klaw to take on vehicles, but frankly it's way too expensive on a unit that are just Boyz with Stealth. They will just get focused down, and they have to spend their first turn with their thumbs up their arse. Woe betide you if the enemy has Ignore Cover.

>Do people try and engage them in melee when they all have klaws?

Yes, if they have Ap2 at initiative. Proper assault units eat MANZ for breakfast. MANZ are disposable missiles; keep 'em cheap, get them stuck into something, don't care when they die.

>Anything else?

Biker Boyz, Lootas, Tankbustas, Mek Gunz (only some variants) MANZ. I've just listed all the decent units in the codex. Support options like Trukks and Painboyz are useful. Only Formations really worth considering are Bullyboyz and....actually come to think of it that's about it.

>> No.51823959

>>51823891
>just pour firepower in it
What kind of firepower? I can field a lot of Fusion/Plasma and Sniper Drones, but I'm still going to be wasting a shooting phase to take down one unit.

>as tau player you are not even allowed to be in the complain line
Why do you think I'm complaining? Because I'm a Tau player?
I asked a simple question with a neutral tone. I laid facts to back up why I'm asking in the first place.

>> No.51823963

>>51823931
Rather people that can make more models in a hour than they can buy for what they earn working an hour.

>> No.51823967

>>51823931
>is there some fucking art institute in Russia pumping out sculptors that do this to make a quick buck?
no, the 40k fanbase in russia is just host to a bunch of talented dudes

if I could understand russian runes I'd probably be browsing their fan forums and shit for fanart/comics, because they make a ton of good stuff

>> No.51823972

>>51823959
>but I'm still going to be wasting a shooting phase to take down one unit

Taufags, ladies and gentleman.

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>>51823945
>Only Formations really worth considering are Bullyboyz and....actually come to think of it that's about it.

RIP in peace Blitz Brigade

>> No.51823978

>>51823900
Why do people like Mutants?
They look like dogshit ripped off from Total Recall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kujd9IbAbIo

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>>51823846

Oh well there ya go. I read through the ork codex many times over, and stopped reading the rulebook on the exact page BEFORE the "preparing for war" section so I could ask uneducated questions. Go figure.

Well that changes a lot. Thanks for being patient, anons, I'll come back later with a revised list. I'm still gonna run some boyz though and make them work, because orkz.

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>>51823959
>>51823972

>> No.51824020

>>51823943
>>51823978
Guys pls
I asked for list rating, not army rating
I like the gribblies

>> No.51824023

>>51823893
>What I was trying to avoid the entire time is the horrible failure I keep seeing on channels like tabletoptactics or miniwargaming where the ork players just drive headfirst straight at tau firing lines and hope for the best.

There is a reason that keeps happening. It's really the only thing Orks can do against Tau. We can't outshoot them. They can shoot us off objectives. Only option is close in and pray.

>Is there any other way to avoid the "hope the shooty army rolls low while I drive straight at them and hopefully not die" syndrome?

Yeah nah not really. Blitz Brigade used to be a thing but GW decided things were going a little too well for us there.

>>51823983
>I'm still gonna run some boyz though and make them work, because orkz.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

>> No.51824024

>>51823842
DE player here
we have a AP D6 flamer for 15 points
sounds good? Well its S3 hahahhaa

>> No.51824037

does anybody know what's the name of the formation from CSM start collecting box?

>> No.51824039

>>51821100
>nerf punisher
NO

>> No.51824055

>>51823945
>Only Formations really worth considering are Bullyboyz
They have some others in the Red Waagh supplement.

>> No.51824080

>>51824055

Yes, those Formations definitely exist.

You'll notice I said "worth considering".

>> No.51824083

>>51824024
I mean, that's not that bad, because 50% of the time it'll be AP1-3, which alongside volume of fire will do something.

>> No.51824085

>>51824037
Wrathborn iirc

>> No.51824095

>>51824085
yes, I found it in the meantime. thanks anyway

>> No.51824101

>>51819334
Get on that Whale-stormbird so we can see your progress in the next WIP threads!

>> No.51824104

>>51823959
plasma and sniper wound a wraithknight on 6
S6 to T8 and poison vs gargantuan creatures, so they are only used to shove the last wound of or something

S7 Ap4 which tau get in droves (Broadsides with clumsy rocketfists and missile drone) etc is more promising

other than that firewarriors can wound him, as can sniperkroot both which can be taken in masses, especially breachers for the lulz.

you can increase your to-wound rolls with this monsterhunter signature (i think it also works on GC not sure)

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>>51823945
>Only Formations really worth considering are Bullyboyz and....actually come to think of it that's about it.

Well crap, that puts a damper on everything.

>I've just listed all the decent units in the codex

I think my plans right now are gonna me to have 1-2 units of kommandos for fun and options, rework the rest of my list by theorycrafting, wait for 8th edition orkz, and then cry when nothing changes.

>> No.51824154

>>51824122
>wait for 8th edition orkz, and then cry when nothing changes.

There you go, now you're an Ork player.

Welcome to 40K, hope you enjoy losing.

>> No.51824163

>>51823972
>>51824002
What's wrong with that statement? I'm both retarded and new, like I said.

Wraithknights are 300-point units. If my entire force is pumping shots into this single model, that means he has 1500+ points of scatbikes and psykers going unmolested. And if I don't kill it, I've virtually lost a turn. If I divide my power, I probably won't kill it.

>> No.51824177

>>51823900
Soo. Is it shit? Good? Lacking anything besides Anti-air, which i hope the Goliaths TL autocannons can take care of?

>> No.51824186

>>51823959
>>51824104
Gorillion missile pods with buffmander for twin-links and monster hunter can bring pain. Statistically the knight should take some wounds but I've seen the miracle of dices happen way too often. Skyray unloading full volley with good markerlight support shaves 2 wounds. Riptide wing with HBC going all in brings the pain too. But dealing with wraithknight(s) is really bothersome even for tau. Especially if the eldar goes first and gets his psychics up and/or gives the D to key units.

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>>51824083

By that logic Flash Gitz are "not that bad".

>> No.51824212

>>51824195
Flash Gitz are so close to being a viable unit its infuriating.

Their Kaptain Badrukk formation that gives master crafted proves they can be insanely powerful.

>> No.51824237

>>51824023
>There is a reason that keeps happening. It's really the only thing Orks can do against Tau. We can't outshoot them. They can shoot us off objectives. Only option is close in and pray.

If only I could charge the same turn my kommandos come on the board from behind, everything would be different. There's GOT to be another way to break up shooty blobs though... I wonder if a couple large blast mek gunz might scare them. Still dont think that would work against super spread out tank lines from the Guard though...

>Shine on you crazy diamond.

Gotta live the Ork life, or no life at all!!

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>>51824163
you kinda got a point m8. but dig this.

>be me
>be ork bro
>play against another faggit eldar
>kill his wraith knight with 2 squads of Tank Busta shootin by round 3

Seems like every army needs to include a dedicated anti-wraith knight squad

>Riddle me this fa/tg/uys:

Can Knight Commander Pask in a punisher with heavy bolter sponsons defeat a Wraith Knight?

>> No.51824244

Orks are better than Necrons :^) variancehammer . com /2017/02/19/lvo-2017-analysis-doom-of-the-eldar/

>> No.51824247
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>All these Astra Militarum players

>> No.51824264

>>51824237
RIP Zagstrukk assault from deep strike special ability because it was too powerful....and then they go and give it to fucking every assault marine

>> No.51824280

>>51824237
>I wonder if a couple large blast mek gunz might scare them.

The only large blast Mek Gun is the Bubblechuka, and it doesn't scare anyone. Besides, Tau really get scary when they shove Suits in there, and they don't give two fucks about blast weapons, since they'll only wound them at best once.

>> No.51824281

>>51824264
>and then they go and give it to fucking every assault marine

wait what? pls explain

>> No.51824303

>>51824238
Pask won't, but he'll deal some damage before he dies.

>> No.51824315

>Eldar got humongous buff
>Orks got fucked by FAQ even more

>> No.51824343

>>51824264

I actually had the Ork 4th edition codex I got years ago just for something to read, and I was pumped when I wanted to revisit the table top game and dreamt of flying in from behind with squads of stormboyz with orky glory.

Then I read the 7th edition, and was confused as to where it went. I'll make some blob-breaker strategy work eventually, just gotta wait for 8th edition right now.

>> No.51824345

>>51824238
Well technically you only 'need' 2 heavy bolters to kill wraithknight. It's not reliable but it can happen.

>> No.51824378

>>51824101
Yeah, was leaning that way anyway. Greenstuff, magnets and sculpting tools plus new hobby knife are here, Whale is still in transit from Burgerland. No idea what the fuck is taking it so long, might get some Ghouls and that greenstuff world rolling pin and do some of the worthless chaff before the flying Titan. Problem is coming up with a way to do the cool cybernetic spine on the back without it looking shit or Orky.

>> No.51824381

>>51824345
Oh fuck, someone please mathhammer this

>> No.51824388

>>51824343
I4 Power Klaw attacks in exchange for dead boys on the charge...glorious.

>> No.51824433

Which imperial knight should I take for my Adeptus Mechanicus War Convocation? The cheapest I assume?

>> No.51824447

>>51824381
What does it wound on? If it's 6s, single shoot has 3.7% to cause unsaved wound(it has 4+/5+++ right?).

>> No.51824448

>>51824433
Acheron or atrapos

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>>51824247
>he plays loyalist guard

>> No.51824468

>>51824381
Not factoring in Ballistic Skill, odds of one Hbolter hit wounding a Wraithknight is 1/27. Therefore odds of all 6 managing that are 27 to the power of 6 to one, or 1/387420489.

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How does this look? Do I need more anti-tank?

>> No.51824531

>>51824447
3+/5+++ actually
>>51824468
>not factoring in Ballistic Skill
Holy shit, that would be the kill of the millenium
Eldar player would have to suck his cock while burning all his own miniatures

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>>51824381
Roughly 1 in 578,5e15

>> No.51824577

>>51824531
>3+/5+++ actually
2.46% then, which fits with what other anon did, assuming that your To Hit are 3s.

>> No.51824588

>>51822097
Just paint him as a statue an use him as terrain.

>> No.51824605

>>51824433
Nah, Gallant won't benefit very well from all the shooting rerolls you'll be throwing down. Get a Warden for balanced shooty while retaining S:D capability, or a Crusader if you just want stuff to fuck off and die. Personally I pretty much pick from those two at random, since I can never decide which is better. Probably get a Warden if you've got to pick, just because it's less of a massive point sponge.

>> No.51824617

>>51824572
It should be 1/3 to hit, they're not snapfiring.

>> No.51824620

>>51824500

>1000pts
>27 models
Grey knights really got the short end of the stick with regard to power creep, huh.

>> No.51824626

>>51824281
vanguard have it, i think
and assault marines in that skydumb shithammer formation bullshit

not every assault marine

CSM get it in a formation, but disorganized only and ofc unlike SM dont have droppods and teleport homers on every leg

>> No.51824629

>>51824572
Shit I fucked up the to hit rolls. Somehow I was thinking it was snapshots. Well with bs3 it's 3 times more likely and bs4 4 times more likely.

>> No.51824647

>>51824163
Hilarious part is that Wraithknight is not much more durable than the fucking Riptide.
>>51824620
Still better than TSons.

>> No.51824668

>>51824620
The Sons would like a word. *sobs dust*

>> No.51824669

>>51824626
>vanguard have it
They haven't since 5th, and when they did it was disorganized. The Shadowstrike Kill Team lets them do it but it has a Scout tax.

>skydumb shithammer formation bullshit
Not even going to try to defend this one, you're right.

>unlike SM dont have droppods and teleport homers on every leg
You haven't been able to assault out of pods the turn they drop in literally forever. Teleport homers are fucking worthless because they only work on Terminators, and locator beacons are too costly to spam because they do not work the turn they come down and will be focus fired/opponent will move out of their area/they'll be fucking worthless because the unit they were supposed to escort comes in same turn as them.

>> No.51824697

>>51824668
Except the sons can shit out AP3 and a lot more psychic pewpew than the GK can at the same points. New TS rules are actually really fucking fun.

>> No.51824699

>>51824280
what about looted wagons with killcannons?

>> No.51824731

>>51822097

It looks almost artistic. Like it's impressionist or something.

>> No.51824742

>>51824699

>Str 7 Ap3 24" range on an AV11 open-topped chassis

There is no ranged-blob force anywhere who is actually afraid of that. It doesn't insta-kill T4, which is a big issue facing Tau, it doesn't ignore cover, it's short ranged, and it's on an easy to pop chassis. I mean it's cheap, sure, but it's just not scary.

>> No.51824762

anyone have a scan of Fracture of Biel-Tan yet?

>> No.51824764

>>51822553
I imagine so, but the draw of me getting a forth Knight and doing something special with it to suit my skitarii is just too tempting.

>> No.51824778

>>51824626
If argue the CSM formation is pretty good in conparison, at least as assault goes. You can actually toss a Chaos Lord with them and can get Warp Talons instead of standard assault marines, which need those extra charge attacks to be deadly.

The actual dangerous part of Skyhammer is relentless Grav Devastators.

>> No.51824787

>>51824762
>scans
>when you have epub or converted pdf
Anon please.

>> No.51824797

>>51824778
The CSM one counts it as a disordered charge, iirc.

>> No.51824817

>>51824500
pls

>> No.51824833

>>51824647
>Hilarious part is that Wraithknight is not much more durable than the fucking Riptide.
Doesn't it have more Toughness and Wounds? And they don't need Markerlight support since they come in at WS/BS 8. But the real issue is that it comes with D Weapons on top of that, whereas the Riptide has to take it down through volume.

Please don't interpret this as me complaining, or me justifying the Riptide, or me saying Tau is bad. I'm simply asking about how I can deal with Wraithknights.

>> No.51824838

>>51824778
they scatter all over the damned place
warp talons are really fukken expensive and only S4

but its still one of the better CSM things i agree
(especially as raptors are not assault marines and can pick melta or plasmaguns too)

>> No.51824845

>>51824778
>Warp Talons
They're shit.

>The actual dangerous part of Skyhammer is relentless Grav Devastators.
For killing shit fast, sure. But there's a lot to be said about Assault Marines charging your units which can't overwatch just because a combat squad shot bolters at them.

>> No.51824850

>>51824833
riptide has a 2+/5++ armor not a 3+

>> No.51824872

>>51824833
>WS/BS 8
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you the same Taufag that said he needed to counter Dreamwalker Squadron? You know that that shit is Apoc-only, right?

>> No.51824874

>>51824797
That's my point. Vanilla marines are getting 3 attacks per assault marine, and 4 from the seargeant with a power sword or something similar. At most, they'll have a pair of evicerators to deal damage with.

For comparison, the Chaos formation is going to have 1 less attack each on their Raptors, but could bring Plasma or Melts over flamers. As well, you're talking at least 4 attacks from the Chaos lord, which means the unit can go after more dangerous targets. Alternatively, you can go for warp talons and get 2 lightning claw attacks compared to 3 chainsword attacks for vanilla marines, along with the potential to blind.

Disorderly charges aren't that big of a downside on squads that actually get options.

>> No.51824881

>>51824833
t6 vs t8
2+ vs 3+
5++ vs Optional 5++ (lose d guns)
optional FNP vs FNP
- vs GC special defences

2+ and t6 gives riptide great resilience against massed small arms but then again WK is straight up immune to anything s4 or worse. I suppose riptide is superior at tanking autocannons and krak missiles and worse against everything else.

>> No.51824904

>>51824742
I always felt the Looted Wagon's profile should change depending on the enemy you face, and when facing two or more factions you chose which profile you received.

Facing Tau or Eldar?
AV12 Skimmer, Ramshackle. Gun ignores cover
Facing Space Marines or Imperial Guard?
AV13 Tank w/ extra armor, Ramshackle. Gun is now ordinance
Facing Orks or Genestealers?
AV12 Open Topped, Extra Armor, Ramshackle. Gun now has fleshbane
Facing Tyranids?
T7 W3 S3+ Monstrous Creature, gun has fleshbane

Subject to balancing of course.

>> No.51824924

>>51824764
At the very least you can play against Eldar.

>> No.51824933

>>51824904
Not gonna lie, sounds pretty fun.
Against ad mech, it becomes orkish crabtank?

>> No.51824935
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Here's my list for Gathering Storms episode III "Revenge of the Smurf".
It'll be a multiple-player Apoc game.
I'm expecting at least one person to have a psychic deathstar, so the Command squad + Psyocculum Inquisitor will hit that like a ton of bricks.
Canoness and priests join the 3+ save blob.
The rest needs no explanantion.

C&C? Specifically the ways I'll get annihilated by Wraithknights?

>> No.51824939
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r8, no h8

>> No.51824941

>>51822786
Deathwing I get, but how can you fail to paint ravenwing?

Paint it dark grey.
Apply layers of nuln oil until it's almost black.
Highlight with the original grey at your leisure.

>> No.51824948

>>51824881
You forgot
>Nova can turn the 5++ into 3++ before you even complain about muh risk vs reward the reactor roll is easy to reroll
>it has literally one less wound
<can take 3 Riptides for every 2 WK

The Riptide is only truly weaker to Grav and Instant Death weapons.

>> No.51824976

fucking finally found this shit
https://mega.nz/#!EANlVYRI!7LwSNtQc199zFdqExm-tTFOe3EXEx3aczWtwzw64WWw

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>>51824904

They should have a list of options similar to this.

In fact they should just replace it with this.

>> No.51825040

>>51824244
>Orks are better than Necrons :^)
ITC rules allow for Buzzgob's Stompa upgrade to be 300 pts instead of the usual 770 pts giving Orks a massive power boost. Plus Necrons get dicked on by flyers.

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Never noticed this before in the old IA:8. Wonder if this was hinting at some new Buggy kits, before Forgeworld decided that anything that wasn't Tau or Horus Heresy wasn't worth producing.

>> No.51825050

>>51824933
I imagine something like
AV12 Walker, 6+ invuln, Gun has Haywire

I love the idea of an ork unit that both grabs the bonuses of and slightly counters the faction it fights.

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>>51824935
>Revenge of the Smurf
Fuck off back to 1d4

>psychic deathstar, so the Command squad + Psyocculum Inquisitor will hit that like a ton of bricks.
Except it won't, because any good deathstar will be invisible

>Canoness and priests join the 3+ save blob
The what? Please don't tell me you're sticking them with Celestine.

>Specifically the ways I'll get annihilated by Wraithknights
The Eldar player will down your Exorcists and then you are out of answers. Pray it does not happen it will

>combi-plasmas

>> No.51825062

>>51824924
Hah, well right now it's just me being heady over discovering this abomination. I need to finish painting up my 1k army first.

>> No.51825078

>>51824881
I did some quick numbers for Heavy Bolters and Autocannons, and the results were very even.

I would say the only area where the Riptide loses out is AP 2 weapons and Snipers, where the 2+ save is ignored and the Wraithknight's high toughness matters more.

>> No.51825096

>>51824992
Why not make it simple? Just replace the WS to 4 and the BS to 2. For any vehicle, super heavy, MC or GMC.

Want to loot a Chimera? Ok now it is BS2 it cost the same as the original and has access to all the Ork upgrades.

>but muh balance!
Are we playing the same game? Balance was thrown out of the window when codex where introduce one by one.

>> No.51825103

What knight/titan unit do necons have?
All other races exept Dark Eldar(but i'm certain they can take revenant titan) have their own knights and titans.

>> No.51825122

>>51825103
Obelisk and Tesseract Vault are the cron superheavies in the codex, pylon is the FW one.

>> No.51825130

>>51825103
Like pylon or obelisk or pyramid or eliacube or whatever it is that necrons have.

>> No.51825131

>>51825103
this ubermonolith(obelisk) and the transcendant ctan

>> No.51825146

>>51825048
Maybe, maybe not. FW gets away with making art for stuff they don't sell.

>> No.51825147
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>>51825096

We had that.

>> No.51825158

>>51820402
Honestly I was surprised when I saw GW still has these for sale on their site.

They're ugly as hell so I don't know why anyone would want them, but still.

>> No.51825162

>>51825096
I would say this is the best option. Perhaps add in I 2 where it matters, and swap out what Vehicle upgrade list they can pick from, but really there wouldn't be any problem with Orks pinching every existing vehicle at BS 2.

Heck, you could probably even let them loot Tau battlesuits or Eldar Jetbikes without breaking much. BS 2 makes even those more reasonable.

>> No.51825176

>>51825122
>>51825130
>>51825131
That's pretty weak if compared to a knight or titan.

>> No.51825182

>>51825147
I know. A friend of mine still miss his looted Basilisk

>> No.51825193

>>51825162
Mega armors are sorta like ork crisis suits, jetpacking nobs would be hilarious though. Defkoptas are already ork jetbikes?

>> No.51825201

>>51825048
I belive those are looted tauroses.

>> No.51825207

>>51825176
Yeah the cron super heavies are all garbage.

>> No.51825219

>>51825176
>>51825207
Go take a look at Escalation's Transcendent C'tan. Necrons used to own the Lords of War slot.

>> No.51825245

>>51825219
Used to, being the keyword there.

>> No.51825256

>>51825193
I guess the answer might be to make a more shooty version of Mega armor

>> No.51825270

>>51825219
That's better.

>> No.51825300

>>51825245
And? You're atoning for past sins. It's the same reason why Warriors have a 4+ save and Monoliths are garbage. The oldschool Monolith Phalanx, which was the Necron Apocalypse superheavy alternative from back when they didn't have any except for maybe the Pylon, was one of the most bullshit formations of its time. It would probably still be good in the current meta if it retained old Gauss, seeing as the death march playstyle it supported would be excellent in the current system.

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>>51825256

They sort of tried that. Of course, with predictable incompetence when it comes to all things Orky, GW made it shit.

>> No.51825313

>>51825057

>Except it won't, because any good deathstar will be invisible
Invisibility is *very* difficult to get off when you're competing for WC with the guy who wants to prescience his big guns and your opponents team is willing to throw 12+ dice to stop it.

>Please don't tell me you're sticking them with Celestine
Nope. Celestine's my off-brand distraction Carnifex.

>> No.51825328

>>51825048
May be a looted version of those Imperial Guard buggies they sell.

I think the real reason Forgeworld doesn't make Ork stuff is that Ork players are more willing to kitbash to just use the rules. Why buy a mega bomba or whatever when you can just build one from plasticard?

>> No.51825358

>>51825306
Seriously? How hard is it to just let Meganobz take twin-linked skorchas or something.

Hell, chuck a grot-manned big shoot a turret on their backs while you're at it.

>> No.51825368

>>51825313
>when you're competing for WC with the guy who wants to prescience his big guns
Good teams don't have this problem. Shit, good PLAYERS don't have this problem. Presicience is nice, but Invisibility is MANDATORY. Do not bank on it not going off, because if it is rolled it WILL be cast.

>your opponents team is willing to throw 12+ dice to stop it
Except you're playing Sisters and have like two dice, so unless your teammates are GK, Daemons or a psychic deathstar of your own you won't have those dice.

>Nope
Then what the fuck are they doing? Footslogging? I shouldn't even need to tell you why that's a bad idea.

>>51825326
>Reddit spacing
What does that even mean? How about you fuck off.

>> No.51825387

Are Grey Knights a popular army?

>> No.51825389

NEW THREAD

>> No.51825406

>>51825300
Nah monoliths are way to easy to kill now to justify taking them en masse.

>> No.51825471

>>51825406
Not really. The old Monolith's only weakness was the D. I guess it'd also die to Haywire, but it gave no shits about melta and the rare lance, nor grav.

>> No.51825481

>>51825406
Sounds like they need to make a Necon titan. Like a giant spider sphinx or something

>> No.51825494

>>51825481
giant centipede

>> No.51825508

>>51825471
I was talking about current monoliths using that formation, but yeah the old school monolith was great.

>>51825481
I'd settle for having the current set of super heavies being worth taking.

>> No.51825798

As a man who is trying to build more custom dudes out of Mark IV sets, DA Upgrade sprues, and Mark VI sets, let me just say:

GW HAS gotten better at moulding because CHRIST the lines on these DA Boltguns.

>> No.51825807

>>51824787
you know what the fuck I mean, you pedant.

>> No.51825929

>>51825798
i dunno if they got better i think the old moulds are simply more worn out

>> No.51825935

before this get closed

NEw thread

>>51825918
>>51825918
>>51825918

>> No.51826083

>>51821719
The Lion has been in the middle of The Rock since the Dark Angels first got actual fluff beyond being a color scheme in Rogue Trader.
It's not an "advancing the story" thing.

It was explicitly stated as what was going on in Codex: Angels of Death back in 2ed by Rick Priestly and Jervis Johnson.

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