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girlyman is back and ready to bully Lorgar edition

>previous edition

>Dank Dweekend Duncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKF6GUyI8VA [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

>40k rules reference in wiki format. 204% Organized

>Rules and such. Use Readium for epubs. Sorry, it's shit, but it'll read 3s.

>Latest GW teases

>Latest GW attempts to fuck up your list

>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:

>Here's the list builder, but if you've actually bothered to read this far, ask for it anyway!

>Another roster making program that may or may not be a broken piece of shit

>Forge World Book Index:

>The Black Library (Soulburst now available at the vending machines)

>> No.51819091

Orkz is first!

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>> No.51819101

Lion Waking When

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>> No.51819108

first for (insert overdone 40k meme here)

>> No.51819131

what would you guys recommend for stripping resin, ibve heard dettol diluted to an 80:20 ration but im scared of ruining my favorite model

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He is character that was around since fucking 1988, he deserved love.
Roboute was meant to return since Rogue Trader.

>> No.51819144

How to build an 1850 Butcherhorde completely WE themed? Going for 1850 of each founder legion.

>In b4 "M-muh costs" Plebs out.

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>> No.51819166
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Cawl getting shit done. Got to love that, now we just need an actual Admech campaign with him, Dahan, Kotov and Stroika wrecking face together. Get some of the other aspects of the Admech on the field, with the Biologis, the Reductor, the Explorators and the Myrmidax, like in the 30k books. Currently the Admech line basically shows the boring Admech equivalent to the Ultramarines in flavor, and even that is awesome. Just a couple faction-specific Magos tweaks like the 1KSons 30k Cults would be cool.

Also, have some proper Archmagos commanding going on, with everything being perfectly coordinated and such, even if it's just for the introductory or big final battle, just to see it once. A good Archmagos or Secutor is basically one of those Yuuzhan Vong Yammosks from the New Jedi Order, but Cawl doesn't do any of that. What happened to the fluff about Skitarii/Admech commanders transmitting orders from orbit and guiding entire fleets instead of brawling like plebs?

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>Necrontyr are based off Egyptians
>Egyptians were undeniably black skinned
>the necrontyr's radioactive sun would mean their skin would darken to give them some form of radiation resistance
>negrons confirmed?

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>fucking autists always forgetting duncan's wonderful danks


Also here's Wrath of magnus PDF for the shistains asking for the prophecy

>one primarch turning traitor and another turning loyal or one son shall fall, one son shall return to the light


>> No.51819188

What would a Biologis army look like?

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GGA here excited because this Saturday gonna be part of a massive Apocalypse game with the lads in this pic. I'm trying to get up to 3500 points of Guard and to bring my Dark Angel army in because we're trying to do around 5000-6000 pts for player. It's gonna be a crazy week of building and painting in preparation for it but what are you doing /tg/? Unpainted Tau getting Ruined gets me hard.

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>> No.51819216

>gw wants to cell models
>gw needs to release every primarch
>magnus already has 2 models
>magnus wont go loyal because his model is already out and it needs to be a primach without a 40k model yet so they can sell a new sculpt and generate hype for a new primarch model

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So, from what I've heard Visarch and Yvraine are pretty shit on the table but did anyone try/go against the new avatar yet?

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No one cared when you posted this the last time, and you are probably the same guy who keeps posting night lords theme music.

>> No.51819237


>tau army unpainted

how can so many people know about the stereotype then do nothing to avoid it

>> No.51819249

im a one shitpost at a time kinda guy, i have no relation with night lords guy or cheeta guy

>also i haven't posted this in a week, has someone carried on my legacy?

>> No.51819279

they are shit for what eldar armies can bring for the amount of point they cost

>are they worth taking over a wraithknight and a few less points free? or a blob of bikes? no? okay not using it

eldar just have a lot of top tier options and it makes it harder for stuff to stand out

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Like Nids but with metal cables instead of organic cables

>> No.51819294

I can still use old Noise Marine models right?

>> No.51819315

>undeniably black skinned
They weren't black, they were fucking BROWN. Like pretty much all North Africans and Middle Easterners since time imme-fucking-morial. So would Jesus, to add a cherry on the cake.

eyo senpai you got a Traitor Legions pdf too? It's a pain in the cock to boot up Readium and I can read PDFs on my phone.

>> No.51819317

Anything that's not a solvent is safe.
I use lye based jellied floor soap.
only thing to watch out for is using gloves when handling it undiluted since its Ph is 11.

>> No.51819318

show me a picture of a LGS apoc game where there isnt a decent percent of grey models?

apoc makes people bring more points than they are used to and bring models they may rarely play with, and dont have as much motivation to paint

but yeah its nauseating how true the stereotype of grey eldar and tau armies is

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Got you covered senpai. Tau should stop existing.

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I'm actually making one using the Horus Heresy Mechanicum rules, lots of Skaven monsters and Dark Eldar weapons with a dash of Tyranid used to make robot-substitiute bodies for the Castellax, Magi with Wrack syringes, Narthecium mandibles on my giant spider-Archmagos who's going to be Scoria.

All shielded by huge hordes of the Miltia Levies, who are 345 pts for 2x50 of them and the Commander, and they all have Zealot, Rending, Fear and FnP 6+, plus subflak, frags and 2ccw each, but they can't shoot and always need to assault. Commander has a whip and such as an "Overseer". Going to use the Crypt Ghoul and Skaven Clanrat models with a few tweaks to represent the army of flash-cloned monsters thrown out as cannon fodder before the big stuff lands.

Also artillery with poison tanks and Spore Mine shells piled on the Basilisk platforms, Rat-Ogre Vorax conversions and to top it all off eventually, a Sokar Pattern Stormbird made from a 2ft long Whale model with loads of cybernetics, engines and a gondola/bridge, bristling with guns.

Ordering the first bitz soon, not sure whether to start with the Whale-Stormbird or the Levies and Magi.

>> No.51819340


RP in 40k RPG
Tabletop and forced memes here.

>> No.51819360

Commenting on a discussion from the last thread.
Blood Angel Devs can take Grav Cannons.
Angel's Blade

/tg/ really doesn't play games, huh?

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Are Vypers good?

>> No.51819372

>New Celestine is not a SoB

I only like it because it is kind of true ruleswise. Since she does not have Act of Faith or War Hymns. Preventing the use of AoF when she is attached to SoB units.

Things like this makes me wonder why would anyone actually try to play 40k competitive if the GW doesn't even care to check rules

>> No.51819381

I find funny how his name was "Robert" lol

But yeah, true.

>> No.51819384

they are pretty good especially now that they can deep strike

>> No.51819395

Nop, if only I could remember the girl that did reviews and use this things.

>> No.51819411

different anon here
I'm currently converting that, I'll have it sometime tomorrow. I'll put it in that mega in the second post

>> No.51819412

Wait, what, they can deep strike?

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>> No.51819421

on that note wheres my CelestineXGreyfax yuri fan art or fiction?

>we all know she would seduce inquisitor tsuntsun with her thighs over the course of a cutsie 13 episode anime

>> No.51819437

You're a star, anon, thank you! How are you managing anyway? I tried converting them myself but no program worked because epub3 is terrible to work with.

>> No.51819439

yes now with the new gathering storm book

>you can deep strike skatbikes too now so let that just sink in

>> No.51819442

Only Taufags would have that poor taste, and they're way too into blueberries.

>> No.51819446

There's also the small matter of being a daemon

>> No.51819447

DawnWillow did a video or two.

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Oh, the friggin Black Guardian strike force.

Oh boy, I'm gonna enjoy this rape far too much.

>> No.51819455

Ain't that just Ulthwe?
One that are all Elites with no obsec.

>> No.51819456

>>magnus already has 2 models
Actually three if you count old epic.

>> No.51819457

How should one model a rouge psyker? I want one for my LatD army.

>> No.51819467

The new Black Guardian Vypers can, along with warwalkers, jetbikes, and the infantry guardians. No scatter either.

Great for popping tanks.

>> No.51819469

"print to pdf" button in the viewer and later crop the pages

>> No.51819477

My group now calls the single shot of Celestine as "Pussy shot"
Even though they say it is a shot made from super compress sweat that squirt between her THICC tights.

When my titty Psyker sound sane and decent by comparison it makes you wonder

>> No.51819478

its not unbeatable and it does have the downside of making the eldar clump up so they can get thier bonus move, but yeah i played my eldar buddy five games and you can build some rapetastic lists

>> No.51819492

Coping a list. Is it any good?

Core - Chaos Warband

200 Lord - MoK, VoTLW, juggernaut, sigil, power fist, lightning claw, talisman of burning blood (warlord)
85 Chaos marines (5) - MoK, VoTLW, boltpistol/chainswords
85 Chaos marines (5) - MoK, VoTLW, boltpistol/chainswords
95 Havocs (5) - MoK, VoTLW, extra chainswords
145 Possessed (5) - MoK, VoTLW
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)

Auxillary - Raptor Talon

135 Lord - MoK, VoTLW, jump pack, sigil, axe of blind fury
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)
140 Raptors (5) - MoK, VoTLW, 2 meltaguns, powersword (champion)

Command - Lords of The Legion

265 Daemon Prince - MoK, combat familiar, wings, power armour, bezerkers glaive

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Oh boy

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So, I just ordered this sexy fella here. But can I actually field him in 40k? I guess I could just stick a backpack onto the warrior, and call it a day, but are there any rules for him?

>> No.51819520

Well shit, sounds simple but eh. Good luck and thank you again

>> No.51819526

Would be a Khorne Chaos Lord on Juggernaut.

>> No.51819534

yeah juggerlords are actually pretty good

>give him a powerfist and that axe so he turns into a bloodthirster on death and you can be a pretty big guy

>> No.51819540

>/tg/ doesn't actually play
Read a fucking rulebook/codex

>> No.51819543

>it does have the downside of making the eldar clump up so they can get thier bonus move

Not really. You don't have to run Black Guardians as part of the Ynnari detachment, so they'll still have Battle Focus. You can happily make your non-scatter Deep Strike within 9", then run up to 6" away from a vehicle, spread out, and fire your Fusion Guns up its backside.

>> No.51819563

Hello again GGA! Personally trying to get back into painting my Chimeras. Can't really go back to the board until they're done as right now my mid-board presence is so sorely lacking.

If your going apocalypse, you should start looking into the Marauder Bomber. Not particularly practical, but having a space-B52 run over the board and eliminate ALL the enemy's infantry is a riot.

>> No.51819570

I'm not playing Chaos, no.
I'm playing Necrons. Just kidding, I'm still painting and haven't played a single game. But someday I might

>> No.51819571

it is simple, it just takes a long time for the conversion to complete

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You don't even need to do anything desu. I field this classic nigga as a footslogging Lord. You can get away with a lot of stuff in 40k due to the nature of the setting. IG regiment wearing peasant attire? Knight World levies. CSM with medieval armour? Warriors generally don't give a fuck + their own practices, Khorne especially gets away with this more easily.

Plus you can buy the Chaos Lord a Juggernaut so yes you have rules.

>> No.51819581

>Great for popping tanks.

Bright lances aren't all that impressive AT weapons.

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>> No.51819612

whats the worst army to fully deploy and not get first turn against?

my top three id say are

>+any turn one alpha strike army

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>> No.51819645

Fuck off
Update the entire metal armies first then care about the cheese armies

>> No.51819646

What aspect of Khaine do they embody?

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Dear Sistersfaggot,


t. Biel-Tan Swordwind player

>> No.51819676

Scatter laser into rear armor, obviously.

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I have more

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name one army that's entirely metal and still supported by GW not called sisters since you implied there are multiple

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The mad battle yoyo skills.

>> No.51819692

When Forgeworld wants to

>> No.51819694

His amazing ball-handling skill

>> No.51819697

> the eldar player is an anime poster
it would only be more perfect if the fag was a frogposter

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>> No.51819724

Are death watch garbage or something? I never see anyone play them or even hear of people playing them.

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It just doesn't stop. His Chaos is shit too.

>> No.51819734

None such army.

>> No.51819739

Unless they are finecast now

>> No.51819745

You should stop existing autist

>> No.51819748

they were overhyped and had a lot of tools that made them seem OP

then people realized they were like grey knights and vanilla marines were better

>> No.51819758

They had a weird cheese list before they got hit with some nerds. Now they're basically another weird supplementary force rather than a full army outright.

They were the flavor of the month for a fair bit.

>> No.51819773

>starts with a force that is arguably a full army
already reaching but yes they did in fact get a decent amount of finecast models

>> No.51819777

Valhallan/Vostroyan/Steel Legion infantry kits are still metal.

>> No.51819781
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>h-h-he p-posted Chinese c-cartoons!

They weren't great before but the most recent codex FAQ fucking gutted them. Combined with being a FotM army and interest in them subsequently dropping off like normal it's not hard to see why nobody talks about them.
Also they're objectively an uninteresting faction outside of their capacity for Your Dudes.

>> No.51819795


I pick up my guard codex though and sure do see a lot of plastic units, actually about 90% of them to be precise

>> No.51819803

Never saw a list, just a week of "Frag cannon new scatbikes, OP nerf game is ruined forever" and then nothing.

>> No.51819805

What the fuck, they blew up Cadia? An Eldar god is waking up? Rowboat is back?

Did I miss a novel release?

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whats so wrong with frogposting?

afraid of people learning about the blessings of kek anon?

>> No.51819819

They are both finecast and ally-tier

Plastic vehicles, they're part of the Guard range dipshit

>> No.51819831

>objectively an uninteresting faction
Back that shit up bree

>> No.51819840

just stop trying to stir up a shitstorm about new releases and derail my lovely general

>> No.51819852

I praise the 7's friendo, i just dont suck his cock
because i am not gay
like you

>> No.51819853

my nigga
>No pic because there isn't a tyranid pepe

>> No.51819854

No. You only missed the GW stock price going through the roof. It's been pretty exciting.

>> No.51819861

very good ally tier though

>coteaz and servo skulls make my panties wet

>> No.51819868

>tacticool operationally operating operators marine army #19284
>boring models
>codex has shit writing
Prove me wrong then.

>> No.51819869

>decent percent
literally all the Tau are unpainted there

>> No.51819880

Then Guard armies that are not catachan or Cadian.

Did grey knight got plastic or are they still metal/finecast?

General rule of thumb if your armie does not have its basic unit in plastic or haves a decade old plastic kit they need an update hard.

So Eldar bitching about warp spider while reasonable other armies need an update first

>> No.51819901

Did he splash black paint and called it a day?

>> No.51819912

they're Black legion

>> No.51819926

If that... black gloss paint?

>> No.51819939

yeah no not gonna try and defend tau, i just feel self conscious because when i run my apoc nights i usually have to bring out some grey so i get triggered when people shit on it, didnt register it was fully unpainted tau army which is indefensable

>> No.51819948

>tacticool operationally operating operators marine army #19284
Such as?

>boring models

Only complaint thats valid is the shit codex and the fact its "sternguard the codex"

>> No.51819962

>i clearly haven't played in eons if i dont know GKs full range other than draigo is plastic

>gw is such a tiny company they can only update one line at a time

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>most Aspects have casts from 2nd
>the only time Aspects ever got updated was in fucking 3rd edition, barring Dire Avengers and maybe Banshees
>only Dire Avengers are plastic and said kit is from 4th edition
>Warp Spiders casts literally older than Sisters
Fuck off, it's no secret GW updates the factions they feel like working on more than anything else, so you shouldn't be surprised your meme army lacks updates. Aspects meanwhile are hot shit, Spiders especially given the current meta, but the only update they've received in 10+ years is shifting to fucking Fineshit.

>Then Guard armies that are not catachan or Cadian.
Pretty much retired, also plastic vehicles

>Did grey knight got plastic
...Yes? Only their characters are still Finecast and even now the next Triumvirate will feature a plastic dude.

>if your armie does not have its basic unit in plastic or haves a decade old plastic kit
>Dire Avengers and Guardians
don't even fucking mention jetbikes you fucking motherfucker this is Biel-Tan. And yes if metal guard regiments count as legit armies then so does my craftworld.

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>> No.51820015

Question: for the Traitor Legions supplement, it always says "Any Unit that can take VoTLW must do so at no additional cost" - does that mean VoTLW is free or am I reading this wrong?

>> No.51820033

As much as I love marines, after years of basically the same shit for decades. They get boring and you end seeing blue marines, black marines, red marines, grey marines, green marines, etc

Beside paint and maybe some chapter symbols you can run what ever Marine chapter you want without any problem. Maybe Grey Knight and Space Wolf could be harder to do.

Mechanicus and GSC is something new I can get behind, hell even if I dislike the new SoB models at least it something that is not marines.

>> No.51820037

It's totally free as it should have been from the start

>> No.51820066
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But can he take on the dreaded Biieeh, Chaosgod of shitposting and his army of daemons?

>> No.51820073

Or, perhaps it means must find a way to take it for free?

I guess we'll have to use our common sense.

>> No.51820083

Retard here
Why is plastic better than metal

>> No.51820088

SoB need a mercy squat or get a proper update, but right now? It is just sad.

Aren't Orks on the same boat as Eldar? With models old as fuck? At least Eldar codex is broken op so you can live with old models but Orks? They suck and are old.

>> No.51820092

new Nids when?

>> No.51820102

Easier to work with, holds detail better and plastic doesn't suddenly start rotting.

>> No.51820112

Metal is heavy and puts strain on the joints when you move it about so it's more likely to fall apart.

Plastic is light and soft, it's also very easy to cut so you can reshape it if you need to.

>> No.51820122

For wargaming metal is a bitch, since it will chip off eventually. Pinning metal models can get old fast when you have more than 10 models.

I like metal models, but for gaming they suck ass.

>> No.51820133

Lots of Ork models are pretty old, but unlike the Eldar Aspect Warriors which are fucking monopose finecast shit, most ork models are plastic and thus infinitely easier to convert and modify.
Also, despite their age, Ork boys are still entirely workable models.

>> No.51820143

>cawl is a shitposter

Which boards would he frequent?

>> No.51820156

Anything with D really.
All the other armies you mentioned you can compensate somehow by using cover/line of sight but a D6 is gonna fuck you hard.

>+any turn one alpha strike army
If you meant a Drop Pod heavy army, I'll always let them go first. If you aren't playing in an empty field you can hide/shield your most precious units and then enjoy having them in rapid fire/charge range.

>> No.51820170

Well at least the Eldar army is not entirely mono pose.

If only GW stopped doing old sale tricks for share holders with their Xbox Huge models. We wouldn't have this stupid discussion.

>> No.51820171

Buy a metal set, buy a plastic set, build and paint both and the answer will be very clear by the end

>> No.51820174

Primarily /m/ to ree about Tau mecha
A little of /a/ and a lot of ironic advice on /g/
Also /tg/ since he's clearly a neckbeard

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>> No.51820195

Agree on all that except for guard and renegades, barrage doesn't give a fuck about LoS and hiding in cover

>> No.51820201

>Just said something completely retarded.

Plastic is better than metal in almost every way, but what makes you think metal miniatures rot? I have GW metal from the 80s. some still unpainted and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them...

>> No.51820216

Daemons lots of D weapons but apart from one witchfire it's all melee D.

You want to bring your best shit to the front line to do as much damage as possible because as soon as they reach you you're fucked.

>> No.51820234

>when they ask what the range is on your basilisks and manticores so they can deploy outside of its range and you just look at them smugly

>> No.51820242

Lead Rot. It can happen to metal minis.

>> No.51820250

His 10000 year project to build Guilliman a suit of armour probably belongs on /cgl/.

>> No.51820255

Loyal subjects are always welcome at the hive's embrace.
But willing breeders are the real treasure.

>> No.51820256

If you're in a terrain you still get the cover from the terrain type.
It will fuck veichles hit directly/from a naked side but infantry will only have trouble from the artillery formation/carriages.

And against such an army you should try to get the Strategic Infiltrate Warlord trait. If you can't get either buy 7 riptides and call it a day.

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>> No.51820304

When? If it hasn't happened to unpainted miniatures made in the 80's, when can I expect this phenomenon to take place?

>> No.51820305

i want tau to leave

>> No.51820318
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Want some breeders?

I'm still piss about the low quality of Vyridian.

>> No.51820337

>barrage treats the shot like it's coming from the center of the blast
>the blast is in their cover
>you don't receive cover if you're being shot at inside that cover

Barrage is so easily exploitable it's sad, they have an entire page on it and you still neeed a 200 level class to understand it because it's so confusing

>> No.51820346

How bad of an idea would it be to give a Sisters of Battle Command squad all Condemnor Boltguns? Is that much anti-psyker potential ever really worthwhile?

>> No.51820351

It's not a certain thing, Anon.

Low temperatures and being kept in wooden cases/shelves/etc are apparently causes.

Painting them helps.

>> No.51820368

Gw switched to pewter long time ago lead miniatures are rare in developed countries

>> No.51820387

Depends on your meta.

Mine is basically waac: Tau, marines, Eldar and Necrons.
Lucky for me they are netlisting waac so I can win from time to time.

>> No.51820396

That's good news. A lot of mine have been kept in plastic zip lock bags. Most of which have deteriorated, but they did there jobs and kept the miniatures safe all these years.

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>tfw you have to pay £70 for your hq now

>> No.51820413

That's pretty close to mine, except no Eldar, more marines, some guard and orks, and less overall netlisting.

>> No.51820417

Those don't look very willing.
Except perhaps the one in the middle.

>> No.51820429
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How is it fair that I came up with this list long before it won LVO, now I'm branded a faggot for fielding it?

1850 The Purge (Vraks Renegades and Heretics) [Primary Detachment]
Renegade Command Squad: 1x Arch Demagogue (Ordnance Tyrant, Devotion of Nurgle)

Renegade Strike Battery: Griffon, heavy flamer
Renegade Strike Battery: Griffon, heavy flamer
Renegade Strike Battery: 2x Renegade Wyverns, heavy flamers

20x Plague Zombies 120
20x Plague Zombies 120

Heavy Support
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training

Aegis Defense Line, quad gun

Allied Detachment (Chaos Space Marines; Word Bearers Legion)
Sorcerer on palanquin, master level 3, spell familiar, bolt pistol, force sword

5x chaos space marines
Rhino, Perdus Rift Anomaly

Heavy Support
Fire Raptor, 2 reaper autocannon batteries, 4 balefire missiles

Heralds of Anarchic (Daemons)
Herald of Tzeentch, Paradox Psyker, ML3
Herald of Tzeentch, Endless Grimoire Psyker, ML1
7x Herald of Tzeentch, ML1

>> No.51820455


Of course they are willing! If they didn't want to they wouldn't be in that position in the first place!

>> No.51820465
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>that one guy who brings 3rd party overly sexualized models to your LGS and shows them all off to anyone who looks at it for longer than five seconds

Is there anything more cringe?

>> No.51820475
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Cawl called Trazyn a soulless manifestation of the Motive Force.

What the fuck does that mean?

>> No.51820478

Revised my mech/tank Guard list, right now at 1497/1500. Noticed there was a tank order from ABG that forces a re-roll of successful cover saves which should help my Demolishers.

>Armored Battle Group
Company Command Vanquisher +Lascannon, Co-axial Heavy Stubber, Beast Hunter Shells
6 Armored Fist Veterans +2 Meltaguns, Chimera +Autocannon
6 Armored Fist Veterans +2 Meltaguns, Chimera +Autocannon
Leman Russ Demolisher
Leman Russ Demolisher

>IG Allied Detachment
Pask Command Punisher +Lascannon
Squad Exterminator
Veterans +2 Plasma Guns, Grenadiers, Chimera
2 Wyvern Battery

>> No.51820484

Don't worry You'd have been a faggot for running it before LVO

That's coming from a renegades player

>> No.51820486

Someone who wants to ask Duncan how to paint these beauties?

>> No.51820488

Scorpions, Banshees, Reapers, Dragons are 4th edition metal sculpts from 2006. Avengers are plastic from the same year.
The Crimson Hunter thingy is obviously a sculpt from the last edition.

Swooping Hawks, Spiders, Spears are 2nd edition sculpts.

>> No.51820509

Bitching about it on 4chan.

>> No.51820519

the swooping hawks and the spears are quite good though.

war buggies are just as old and are easily the worst models in 40k at this moment.

>> No.51820530

>make one of the best lists possible
>labeled a faggot
Skill isn't only shown on the table

>> No.51820533
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>When you get roasted and don't even understand how

Motive force is anything that causes something to move, since he faps to toasters which means he probably is talking about electromotive force, he's probably saying disputed not having a soul he's putting all these events in motion like a battering producing voltage

>> No.51820546

Yet they make the much better, newer ones.

And still sell them too.

>> No.51820548

>Swooping Hawks, Spiders, Spears are 2nd edition sculpts.

The Hawks are more recent than that - 3rd edition or so, IIRC. There was at least one earlier incarnation of them.

>> No.51820556

" all melee D."
You mean the Dthrister that'll die to a moderate amount of firepower?

Ruins give you a 4+ wherever the shot is coming from so you'll still get it.
I would discuss with my opponent beforehand that the same applies (for infantry) to forests or other pieces of terrain that aren't fully "represented" for practical reasons.

>> No.51820581

I'm almost sure all Eldar models produce today are at least from 3rd edition.

The only second edition model still in production is the Ork buggy thingy if I recall correctly

>> No.51820588

>allow me to land for a turn and present my plump daemon rear for you to shoot to shit before I can charge

Also I'll consult the rule book but I believe if both of you are in the same cover you don't get a cover save

>> No.51820590

Daemons also have a khorne warlord traite and a very good relic.
>moderate amount of firepower
Depends what gifts they roll and how much psychic support you give them. They could easily end up with a 3++ (or better) and FnP.

>> No.51820599

He primes his models with automotive paints, but then never does anything more.

Thone riptide have been that way for over a year now. That broken gun on the crisis suit's base? He's been meaning to fix that for almost as long.

>> No.51820601

Mechanicum see motive force as a mystical combination of electricity and the machine spirit
So he is saying he is like an abominable intelligence AI

>> No.51820604

what? are you talking about the ork trukk?

>> No.51820619
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>not just looting something and orkifying it

>> No.51820620

That's like 4 times the maintenance, though.

>> No.51820627

To each his own. But I prefer more literal form of literally asking for it.

>> No.51820636

Lads i cant decide between a Mechanicum army and Khorne daemon kin.


>> No.51820641

So is personal hygiene.

>> No.51820652


>> No.51820658

Mechanicum is 30k, so Khorne.

>> No.51820670

how perfectly does this song fit the necrons?

>> No.51820690

Mix them together. Khornate Hereteks.

Run Ad Mech, ally in a close combat chapter of marines to fluff as renegades

>> No.51820696

>Psychic support

I'm a competitive player but are you really going there?

>> No.51820702

when i say mechanicum i mean skitarii and cult mechanicus

>> No.51820717

Is this just Cheetahanon shitposting theme songs that don't even apply?
I think my reports may have actually done something, I haven't seen a cheetah in a while

>> No.51820728

that looks terrible.

ork war buggies should be converted from either war koptas or land speeders.

>> No.51820731

different anon. My buddy linked it to me saying it fit night lords or dark eldar.

I thought that was retarded, and while the melody is way off, I think the lyrics nail it perfectly.

>> No.51820733
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Praise the Omnissiah anon.

>> No.51820739

Mechanicus, then.

Mechanicum is the old organisation and no longer exists.

>> No.51820745

Middle one? Vyridian?

>> No.51820757

I do
On a regular basis
You got a problem?

>> No.51820771
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I'm currently in a Tau vs Tyranid game on TTS. Normally I don't bring this sort of list, but the Tyranid player specifically said "bring as many of your Riptides as you can" so here I am. The fortification's meant to be an Imperial Bastion w/ Comms Relay for his reserves.

We're on the start of his Turn 2 right now. Want a slow, live battle report?

>> No.51820786

Think ill go mechanicus with a knight or something, as i do like robots and shit since i collect tau

>> No.51820789

Will a "No" do any good?

>> No.51820797

Good choice.



>> No.51820801


>> No.51820804
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If you get a knight, you might as well.

>> No.51820811
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Glory Be the Omnissiah


>> No.51820818

Fuck, I've been looking for this.

>> No.51820846

2/10 too many fleshy bits

>> No.51820864

>Formation is immune to Gets Hot
>Skitarii Vanguards in picture only have one plascal

GW just likes fucking with people with these pics, like how they've given all the Alphas CCWs and pistoles instead of rifles.

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Thoughts on this list? I still need to get another couple squads of reavers(I'mma get gangs of commorragh) and a few more taloses.

>> No.51820881
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Order Biologis best Ordo. Praise the sacred Human form with all it's glorious curves and jiggly bits!

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if its any consolation my tau list isnt pure cheese

>> No.51820904

also to note: it's an 1850 list, but I can't put the right shit on the taloses, so I just left the 100 points off it:

twin-linked haywire blasters and ichor injectors on all of them.

>> No.51820905

Okay :(
The Tyranid player is winning right now, too.

>> No.51820933

is solent your university

>> No.51820942
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was creating some lists to see what i could cram into 1850, how do you think this would go? Drop pods plz no bully.

>> No.51820943


that or add more detail.

>> No.51820946

Human > Everything else

Marines and Mechanicus altering the Perfect human is fucking disgusting

>> No.51820951

GKbro you gonna be in Saturday for the massive Apocalypse game we're having? Please be my other 2000 pts I hate running Dark Angels

>> No.51820957

Personally I'd swap the Incubi out for moar blasterborn but that's probably just my aversion to close combat talking.

>> No.51820961

Better put something under those Tau, I heard the paint comes right off them!
You might wanna consider some shading and/or edge highlights though

>> No.51820980
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Also army pics?

>> No.51820998

at the maritime academy so sadly yes i have to be associated with solent.

i think its mostly the lighting but its my first army ive done in about 10 years

>> No.51821001

the incubi are the archon's court, and she's decked out for melee.

>> No.51821022
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So who ordered Cawl to prepare for resurrection for 10000 years? Guilliman himself?

>> No.51821034
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Truth there. Also, it lends itself to expendable minions where required.


How about improving it further? Marines aint got shit on an Archmagos Biologis, nor do they have subdermal forcefields and a few spare bodies for special occasions.

>> No.51821035

probably one of the other primarchs? We don't really know the timeline on them all disappearing.

>> No.51821039

High Lords: "If Cadia falls try to save us"

"Okay senpai"

*Resurrects Spiritual liege*

>> No.51821047

I would if GW bloody used a half competent shipping logistic.

Still waiting for my Cawl from the pre order.

>> No.51821054

Hang on a fucking second, is this saying that I basically only have to pay for the base unit cost for everything? Have I been this blind before?

>> No.51821065


Wait a second are you implying qt traps?

>> No.51821100

Wishlist for hypothetical IG 8th Edition:

>Rebalance Elites
The Ogryns need more resilience, the Ratlings more effective
>Rebalance Russes
The Punisher needs a nerf, the vanquisher a buff, and the ordinance Russes recosted.
>Put the formations in the codex please!
If we're gunna have them, at least have a definitive version in the codex. Seriously, there's at least 3 different Emp's Fist formations and 2 different Emp's Shield formations.
>Chimeras should get Autocannons.
Because I want space Bradleys
>More Heroes
If our faction has heroes without number, I'd like to see more characters to represent that. Fall of Cadia provides excellent fodder for this. I can imagine a hero Chimera that gains 'Fast' and can flat out after loading/unloading troops, just as an example.
>Another tank commander
This one gives extra orders to his unit and has outflank for a warlord trait. So if Pask is the shooty commander, this guy is the buffy commander.
>Regiment-Specific Orders
Since we are an army focused on teamwork and chain of command instead of individual skill, taking a specific regiment should confer special orders as an alternative to chapter tactics/Canticles of the Omnisiah.
>Give the Commissar a role
At this point, he's just a crappier priest. Sure a priest can't go to ground, but it wasn't like we wanted to waste our company commander's orders on get back into the fight anyways. Maybe something like "Commissar always responds to orders"
>Voxcasters extend order range instead of rerolls.
This eliminates the need for infantry armies to blob up as much since they can now benefit from company orders from further away. Increasing flexibility of the army as a whole.

>> No.51821104

Probably. Archmagi are quirky, basically above the law and have many toys. The one from Priests of Mars had a whole landship and body to playact as an Age of Sail Captain while exploring shit, I suspect there's a few around.

>> No.51821110

Don't scare me anon, I ordered a Cryptek and a Juggernaut today, and I don't wanna wait all that long. Then again, what are the chances of such old models taking so long to send? They're not exactly the hot new shit everyone wants now

>> No.51821117

Post the batrep my dude. Ignore the other anon

>> No.51821143

Canticles don't vary from army type to army type, I would be hella down for that though. Biologis healing canticles, Reductor explodey canticles, Explorator movement canticles...

Most of that sounds good, although IIRC Chimeras can get FW Autocannons, although maybe that's just the FW variant lists.

>> No.51821150
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R8 muh Wratihkngiht

>> No.51821165

The Punisher needs a nerf


>> No.51821174

>want to buy more models
>promised myself to fully paint everything I already have first
I feel like I'm the only person with a fully painted army, no one else bothers.

>> No.51821179

I'm thinking of adding a Death watch squad to my main force. I was planning to model three of them as Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Star Phantoms. What other chapters fit the spooky monster mash theme?

>> No.51821184

Offer to paint their armies.

>> No.51821185

new nids?

>> No.51821190

Not really.

>> No.51821199

Dont bother
Deathwatch a shit

>> No.51821205

exactly, the punisher is amazing.

>> No.51821207

>More Heroes
I feel like we already have things in place like that (sort of like Fighter Aces) but that suddenly gave me the idea that it'd be cool to be able to build-a-hero with units on the table. Like you can upgrade a unit, perhaps restricting it to one per army or one per FoC slot, with upgrades to represent a particular aspect or trait of that unit ("The crew of this tank have become legendary amongst their regiment and beyond for pushing the limits of their vehicle even beyond what considers sane; they can opt to fire their primary weapon twice, but it now Gets Hot, or something like that)

>hearing "Our Truth has come on-line" as "R-Truth has come on-line"
Please, leave him in the our millennium we don't need him.

>> No.51821215

NOT doing it, and then complaining about it because you're a seething jealous poorfag

>> No.51821225

Well I had to cancel an order of "made to order" products because they run out of stock.

I shit you not, GW sold me out of stock made to order models and then try to change my order for something else.
Funny thing is, i said fuck it and agree to that. Later they tell me they can't do that so I had to cancel the order.

4 months of mails back and forward trying to figure where my shit was till they admit they never send the crap.

>> No.51821226


>> No.51821233
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>Please, leave him in the our millennium we don't need him.

Aww, dang man, my bad, sorry.

>> No.51821243

8/10 for technique
5/10 for colour use

>> No.51821261

What's wrong with the colors? I wanted to make my color scheme Purple and Crimson, and make it look sort of weird and alien.

>> No.51821274

All-Mighty Emperor that's a lot of artillery. 2D3 Str. 10 and 6 Str. 9 Pieplates, AND 4 Str. 6 Shredding 3" blasts!

But what's your plan to stop the enemy from just blitzing across the board and forcing friendly fire on your own men? Furthermore, if I bring Vanquishers, autocannons, and battle cannons to the fight how will you keep your big guns from being stun-locked?

>> No.51821298

But I paint like a blind man.

All I want is the gangs of commorragh stuff.
And some haemonculi stuff.
And to finish my blood angels.

>> No.51821307

Wishlist for hypothetical DE 8th edition
>Rebalance kabalite trueborn
they should be deployable as a squad of 3+ on their own so you don't have to waste spots on venoms
>buff wyches
as they are, they're inferior kabalites or incubi, making there be little point in running them
>fix mandrakes
either make them troops or give them a reason to exist over trueborn or incubi
>raiders and ravagers
let them take flickerfields again
give them relentless
I want splinter rifles/pistols to be S2, but that's a bit too much to ask I think. leave the cannons and pods at S1 to balance their salvo/assault power.

>more heroes/LoW
why the fuck isn't Vect around anymore? Lelith and Drazhar are fine, but Urien only has one formation specifically for him and as he is, I don't think he's really worth the points to run instead of just a haem in the rest of them.

Bring back our old heroes, and/or make Vect and his Dais a LoW.

And for fuck's sake, give us an anti-air Heavy Weapon.

>> No.51821325

At the very least, under Pask it should be less capable of popping tanks than the Vanquisher, which was specifically designed to pop tanks!

>> No.51821327

This is amazing. My next Troupe Master is going to look like this.

>> No.51821328

Disregard nay-sayers, add a Soul Drinker and a Black Dragon as a Vanguard

>> No.51821340

Seriously, if I plan to take this to tourneys what's the big fucking deal?

>> No.51821341

We all know when the Lion comes back it'll be with some new spikey bits everywhere, and maybe a tentacle or three.

>> No.51821343

Pask is what makes it so overpowered, a regular Bs3 punisher is only decent vs light infantry and AV10.

>> No.51821369

I sure hope they are not out of stock. Seriously, why would anything even be out of stock? I can't even get my Codex or a Destroyer, as they are out of stock in the online shop. What even is this shit.

I hope I can at least get Slambo from my LGS.

>> No.51821389

It lacks contrast, as is it's mostly a a purple lump with blue and green bits at the far ends.

Nothing to lend it crispness or accentuate it's shape.

>> No.51821408

>We all know when the Lion comes back it'll be with some new spikey bits everywhere, and maybe a tentacle or three.
Why? Is there a lot of warp emanations in the centre of The Rock?

>> No.51821416

looks dank

>> No.51821423

What the Guard need is a return to Regimental Doctrines. Just scrap orders and all that and let you build your own regiment to fight the way you want it to fight.

>> No.51821425

>Nothing to lend it crispness or accentuate it's shape.

What does that even mean?
There aren't many colors other than yellow that contrast well with crimson and purple.

>> No.51821433

Right at the time that they release a new Eldar codex that ends up being mediocre in power.

>> No.51821466

Ive bought like 3000 points of models from Ebay and never once had service even close to that bad. The worst was a month wait because USPS sent my morkanaught to Puerto Rico. Which wasn't even the sellers fault.

>> No.51821474
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>> No.51821479

That would just be reskinned Chapter Tactics. Let's NOT be shitty marines and leverage our own unique mechanics.

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>those faces
they're also pic related.

>> No.51821545

Well my Vyridian just arrive at the start of the month. I bought it on December.

On the flip side they resend it and now got two.

Now I wonder if I should ask again about my delay Celestine.

>> No.51821572


Okay. Those guys sound cool, may need to be the Blackshield though.

A Black Dragon sounds like a fun addition as well.

>> No.51821582
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I just want Duncan to awkwardly fumble around while trying to make those abominations look good in some way.

>> No.51821598

I'm pretty sure we had doctrines first

>> No.51821618

He's not in the Rock, He got sucked up in a Warp hole after squaring off with Luther. The Chaos Gods abducted him during that fight, and they've been torturing him to break him down ever since.

C'mon, this is Grim Dark and the Dark Angles are the Unforgiven. It just dosen't get any juicier than their Primarch falling.

>> No.51821641

>suncanon and sheild

Literally the worst option

>> No.51821646

Sounds exciting. What units are you bringing?

What was that guy's army? Looks like Catachans with some Scions and a Knight. I dunno what the other tank is.

Also you inspired me earlier in the week and I've been working on my Catachan prisoner models to be Conscripts. In about 5 more days they will be all done and they will be ready to charge in for their salvation.

>> No.51821654

Really, I don't know why it's a big deal if it is reskinned chapter tactics. Chapter tactics are great. They're distinct bonuses that add flavor to an army and reward you for building your force a certain way.

I'm all for getting Ork Klan rules, Hive Fleet strains, Guard Regiments, and whatever else alongside Chapter Tactics and Legion traits

>> No.51821661

Read the codex then come back

>> No.51821694

Are you seriously complaining that an Eldar player took a less viable option rather than just going for the Double-D?

>> No.51821698

Yea I've generally heard good things about gw's service. Like getting a whole new box because of a couple miscast bits. Can't get that from Ebay. Though it's usually cheaper and if you look at the sellers ratings before buying, its pretty safe

>> No.51821719

Okay. Thanks for reminding me why I never payed any attention to GW's attempts at advancing the story before. Fucking hell, way to throw away some good drama.

>> No.51821757

I bought from GW. They have very odd shipping times. Some times I feel every city in the world is a small town.

They literally told me to ask my postman if he had something for me.

This is a metropolitan area I don't have a single postman that I can wait and ask if he has shit for me. The fuck is wrong with you?!

>> No.51821802

Where do you live?

>> No.51821807
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It means the purple/pink blend make the entire model "blend" take away definition.

Yellow is the only DIRECT contrast, that doesn't' mean it'a a good contrast.

You can do a lot with saturation and brightness.

Here's a dirty shoop that makes it pop a bit more.

>> No.51821840

does anyone have the exact quote or page number for magnus's "one primarch will turn traitor, one will go loyal"?

>> No.51821841

> taking the worst option to nerf yourself

That's not how I wanna beat eldar

>> No.51821857
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I don't want to use blue though, because my soulstones etc are all Green across my army.

But I see what you mean.

>> No.51821858

You've made the mistake of trying to blend two different makes of purple. You should be blending with white/black mixes of one color, not two different colors entirely.

>> No.51821862

Gracias herr doktor

>> No.51821864

Quick question,

GW has that whole thing about demonstrating your model's wargear ON them, but it should be pretty easily understood that a tactical marine that has two bolt pistols is still a fucking tactical marine and has a boltgun and a knife too, right?

Also, am I a fag if I give my assault (or tactical) sergeant that has a plasma pistol and a chainsword two plasma pistols? Since it's it's the exact same thing, but 15 pts cheaper?

>> No.51821868

What about sword n board?

>> No.51821888

Eva 01?

Cool thou

>> No.51821889

Green can work too, i just use blue cause it was the easyiset to hue shift to.

>> No.51821903

Sword and board is not the worst option, many people argue it's the best

>> No.51821907

Two pistols does actually matter as you can fire both.

>> No.51821930


>Eldarfags painting their wraiths as evafags

>>>/m/ is over there nigga, through they also hate NGE

>> No.51821959

>hating NGE

>> No.51821962

>through they also hate NGE

>> No.51821976

But couldn't I fire "both" anyway since I get +1 A for two CC weapons with pistol and sword?

And a Tac Marine with two bolt pistols is still a Tac Marine, ergo, cannot actualy alter his loadout unless you give them a special or heavy weapon.

>> No.51821977

>implying anyone including the creator didn't also hate NGE

It's part of the community

>> No.51822001
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The only thing that is salvageable in NGE is Asuka, just throw her in any Gundam Setting and she will do well

>> No.51822006

I was more referring to the plasma pistol sergeant, as having two plasma pistols does have an effect over just one.

>> No.51822033
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So I bought the SC! box but was unsure what upgrades to add the Overlord to bring the list to 500 pts so I just added a Ghost Ark instead. Is this ok?

>> No.51822035
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R8 muh conversion

>> No.51822050

But anon, then you lose out on the formation, don't you?

>> No.51822056

Yes it's more than okay because it's a dedicated transport so it will fit in the force org of the formation

>your lord will just be all by his lonesome, maybe join the scarabs?

>> No.51822060

Bringing my entire collection of Guard:seven Leman Russes of various types,a few squads of Scions,a maxed out infantry platoon with flamers, a massive Conscript blob,a lascannon heavy weapons squad,primaris pysker,a Commissar,Priest,Wyvern,two squads if veterans with Chimeras,two tank commanders and Rough Riders.

My Dark Angels are basically just Tactical and Devastator squads with some termies,a Venerable Dreadnought and Vindicator.

>> No.51822064

I like this a lot. Looks like a fun list.

>> No.51822072

looks like that scorpion from the first transformers film.
i like it

>> No.51822075

As far as I know it doesn't prevent you from taking a dedicated transport.

>> No.51822076

Very nice Anon, do you have a guide?

>> No.51822086
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My color scheme has nothing to do with NGE you memeing fucks.

It came sorta accidentally when I painted this figure. It was the first model I painted with this scheme.

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Would put in Mr. Anderson's belly button/10

>> No.51822097
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I remember someone here "lost" a Imperial Space Marine when a few hoodlums walked into his FLGS while he was playing a game.

Personally though, I've only ever lost a bit here an' there. I thought I lost some Death Company a while ago, but it turns out I was just counting wrong because I'm retarded. I did lose a squad of Terminators and a Karlaen per se, though again, it was to my own retardation rather than any actual physical disappearance of the model. Pic related, I painted him with some Testors Enamel paint, panicked when I realized I fucked up, then fucked up even harder by using paint thinner to strip him and his squad. Pretty much melted all the detail straight off of them. Still not sure what to do with 'em.

>> No.51822102

>reduce to wytches and wracks to 8 points and make wracks troop choices
archon + kabalites for a kabal force, succubus + wytches for a wytch cult, haemonculi + wracks for a covern.
A HQ and troops choice for each.
>buff wytch weapons
Give them either a better AP or rending
>Phantasm grenades
Make them the same as the harlequin ones
transport capacity 6 for attached characters
>power from pain
move the chart up one so it starts at FnP 6+
reduce the price of various weapons, especially power swords
>liquifer gun and soul siphon
Make then strength 4
Give them jink as a special rule and reduce them to 10ppm
>razor wing/void raven
av 11/11/10.
Reduce the cost of missles to 10/15 points on the raven and reduce the raven's cost.
Give the raven a second void mine.
>husk blade
For 25 points this thing should be ap2 or at least have poison.

>> No.51822104

Turn the head and tail around, from the looks of it

>> No.51822106

>tfw using sector imperialis bases for dark angels
>tfw realize the bike bases aren't sold seperately, but only come in a set with 6 60mm bases and 6 90mm bases too
>tfw have to spend like £20 just for bases for 6 bikes

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Kinda based it off the spiky bits model, just google "canoptek scorpion"

>> No.51822118

I thought dedicated transports were just unit upgrades that don't affect formation slots. At least that's what I garnered from reading.

>your lord will just be all by his lonesome, maybe join the scarabs?

Yeah I guess he would be alone or I could drop the Ghost Ark put him in the blob and just add upgrades/scarabs. What would you suggest?

>> No.51822127


Was every sculpt of Vyridian so butterfaced? The detail doesn't seem to stand out very much?

>> No.51822133

sell them on ebay as 'expert painted'

>> No.51822154

I'm saying that Orders are better for the guard than discount chapter tactics because they help to differentiate the guard from other factions.

They're unique to our faction, they fit better with the Guard's fluff, and they put emphasis on the HQ without the usual risks that come with a good HQ i.e. Deathstars.

Chapter Tactics and its equivalents basically says "These guys are better at X. They became better at X through practice, wargear, or training".
Orders for the guard says "We are NOT better at X. But we become better at X by trusting our commanders and our comrades to do what is asked of them. Alone we are nothing, and only together are we strong."

>> No.51822157

I lost my heldrake and plague hulk when I moved house.
Found them a few weeks later.
I don't know what sort of stories you were expecting.

>> No.51822180

Lost a model, found it a week later in the wrong container

Any crazy stories of loosing dice?

>> No.51822222
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Hype. 2 massive blobs sounds fun.

Right now I only have 2 blobs of 30. I'm trying to bring this list against someone but every time I try to play 1850, people end up asking for some random point value and I'm left making up a list on the spot. These are pretty much all the models I have built and painted right now.

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r8 my talos conversion

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I think we Should call Guilliman Darth Macragge from now on, because really, his new armor is vader's life support and the golden throne fused into one

like father, Like Son


one of /m/ wettest dreams is probably a SRW with Her, Duo maxwell, Simon, Haman Karn and Domon being the misfits getting shit done

>> No.51822249

Flesh tail looks weird

Also the blood on the tail looks cartoony

>> No.51822253

And what's wrong with having both? What's wrong with certain regiments excelling in specific areas in addition to knowing how to work together?

>> No.51822266
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is Gangs of Commorragh any good?

thinking of picking it up to play with my gf

>> No.51822274

yeah, I just got some Blood for the Blood God to make it better.

seems pretty okay, but the value in it lies with the fact it's around $160 worth of models for $70

>> No.51822281

It's pretty fun and reavers are really good units

>> No.51822290

I got two and both look like shit.

Tity models where cheaper than Vyridian and had better quality

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Jesus fuck, is that what I think this is

>> No.51822305

They've BEEN able to deep strike... they are skimmers...

>> No.51822311


What the fuck happened, the one on GW store has decent cut but the ones we got had really soft detail. It looks like something fucked up. How recently did you buy the second one? I was wondering if it was only the first batch they fugged up.

>> No.51822313

I think both is a good way to go. I absolutely love orders just saying. I would like to have orders as well as unique orders for certain factions while losing other standard ones.

Also things like Catachans having Infiltrate, 6+ armor, army wide stubborn and restrictions on what other units they can bring like no artillery, no flyers, no psykers, or limited russes. Stuff like that as an example.

Or for another army, things like +1 Initiative when in base to base contact.

>> No.51822323

Skimmers can't deep strike inherently.

>> No.51822330

Skimmers can't deep strike retard

>could you imagine what I would do with deep striking ghost arks?

>> No.51822442

I disagree with pidgeonholing certain regiments like that. It should be more general stuff, like having Catachans represent most Deathworld regiments.

As for the exact rules, a better option would be scout for all units not in vehicles and under a certain size, Furious Charge to represent higher than average strength, and Stubborn for the grit.

That gives a different way of running Guard that favors more small units that move forward quickly and have stubborn to offset the small unit sizes. Throw in an Order to give a squad Rampage and you've really got an army of Rambos in space.

>> No.51822443
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I bought the first release and got a replacement since it seems the first one got lost.

Later the replacement and the original purchese arrive.

Both looking like shit

>> No.51822461

In the German translation his name is Roboute Guillaume because Gulliman means Sewer Man in German..

>> No.51822472

I'd be down for that.

>> No.51822475

Maybe. I need to be in the city that morning for work, so I will likely be late. With the turbo-autists that beg for apoc games, I doubt they'd let me in. For fucks' sake, they bitched a guy out for being a point over in a 16k game.

>> No.51822479


>> No.51822480

god, fuck finecast.
>tfw a pretty good chunk of the DEldar army is still finecast
it hurts.

>> No.51822486


I might have to buy another one at some point and investigate, I have a feeling they fucked the first batch.

If you compare the skull on her loincloth with the one on the GW store you can see it's not supposed to be that shit.

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>> No.51822553

It's from WD and won't make you any friends, but yes.

>> No.51822573

Accurate since he's sewer tier waifu

>> No.51822578

One is first batch the other is either third or 4th. Both look like shit.

>> No.51822642
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I bought a box of incubi a couple weeks ago.

>I had a klaive snap in half from a slight fall
>A base stem snapped in half while I was slipping it into place(it was also warped as fuck),
>Their sashes aren't defined, they're formless blobs,
>The backs of their weapons and arms are all featureless blobs because the assumption is you won't see them(you can)

Fuck finecast.

>> No.51822649

Yeah. The key is to come up with something fitting for an existing regiment in fluff, but not add too many restrictions so people can apply it to their own ideas as well.

For Cadians, as another example, it would be more about regiments specializing in defenses against particularly terrifying forces. Adamantium Will would be a good starting point, as would Overwatch at BS 2 or Counterattack for extra line-holding ability. Probably a third benefit as well, though overall I'm not familiar enough with Guard regiments or fluff to make the best suggestions here.

>> No.51822672

yeah no shit, but.....with eggs? I'm genuinely impressed someone actualy decided to make and manufacture this.

>> No.51822686

Jacobus is great for a Guard blob gunline especially in a Castellan detachment.

Prescience + First Rank Fire Second Rank Fire + Enemy charging + Prescience'd Overwatch + Hatred + Counter-Attack

>> No.51822702

How are you even surprised

>> No.51822721

Girls have weir/d/ fetishes too.

>> No.51822726

In a world where someone starts two wars and is given the noble peace prize. You are surprise of dildos that insert eggs?

>> No.51822730

GW make shit finecast
You take shit photos
Match made in heaven.

>> No.51822742

If it's geedubs it's fine no matter how old it is

>> No.51822756


Anon you and me both know majority dudes are using that

>> No.51822773

Trust me there are many girls using it too. There's a few girls with dyed hair on youtube that have reviewed it.

>> No.51822778

That was the most awkward crowbaring of politics into a conversation I've ever seen

>> No.51822786

I really don't know if I want to paint my Dark Angel army as regular Dark Angels, or as a successor, or as a homebrew chapter.

I think I could do the green okay, but I don't think my painting skills are up to Ravenwing or Deathwing.

>> No.51822789

>with weird impregnation fetishes
>not women

>> No.51822797


Now you see why Nids are prefered by women.

>> No.51822808

that's what you get for not getting metal ones from ebay

>> No.51822830
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That.......actualy makes a lot of sense, now that I think about it.

>> No.51822844

I'm from a third world country that got skull fucked by the Soviet Union and the USA.

We live in a crazy world.

>> No.51822859

I'm still new to the game. I didn't realize finecast was THAT BAD. I figured the horror stories about finecast were exaggerations or isolated incidents.

>> No.51822871

It is hard to demand quality when the a large part of the consumer are shills.

>> No.51822882

In a Castellan detachment, if you take Scions and they die and come back on a 5+, can they come back in via Deep Strike? Or do they walk on the board?

>> No.51822911

finecast is ... troubling
some things are far better detailed than any metal or plastic i have seen
but there are issues sometimes with miscasts

also small things are likely to break as the material is rather brittle, for example i had to glue the staff from the necron cryptek

>> No.51822913

We don't know. There are example in FAQ saying yes while others (nids) saying no.

Personally if you are running glorious T3 Castellans I'd allow it, if you add a single marine in there I won't.

>> No.51822932

Wait, what's wrong with NGE?

>> No.51822937
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Is it bad I prefer this conversion to the actual model? Even being a pretty big oldhammerfag, I think the actual model looks pretty bad, and being finecast doesn't really help it any.

>> No.51822938

At least the chinaman resin is constant. GW resin has brittle, hard and soft areas in the same bloody model part

>> No.51822953

Looks awesome.

>> No.51822957

That looks hideous, tbqh.

>> No.51822961

He's a cunt don't bother.

>> No.51822966

My army is mostly a big Guard platoon, Rough Riders, Bullgryn, Jacobus and I just wanted to fill out the other 3 troop slots with Scions for cheap troops and also mobility/anti-armor.

I'm also not sure if I can run Straken in the Castellan detachment. It says a Company Command Squad, but it doesn't really specify anything else. It does go out of its way to say you can have Pask and then also a Tank Commander, so that's leading me to believe you cannot take Straken/Creed.

>> No.51822972
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Now kiss

>> No.51822975
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(1/2) Greetings, famously-kind-and-patient /40kg/!!

I'm a very new player who just started collecting a month or so ago, and I'm seeking some advice for my Ork Clan, the NutStompa'z

>inb4 just quit while you're behind

I know, I know. But Orkz are what got me into playing video games like DoW1 and DoW2 years ago, and I've been an Ork Fanatic ever since. Losing is just the Ork Life. As long as I can express myself in the way I want to play, then I'm relatively happy. I'm not interested in WAAC spamming my way to victory, so spamming bikes isn't my style. But I'd still like to have a competitive chance, so here we are.

Which brings me to my list. This list has been compiled as a general "melee-focused but overall balanced" army that would be able to deal with commonly found other shooty armies such as Guard, Space Marines, Eldar, Tau, Necron, etc.

I've been watching a lot of battle reports on youtube, and I figure I have a better chance to survive into turn 3 if I utilize line of sight blockers in a non-conventional way. My *plan* to make it through open areas is to use the large size of my battle wagons to basically drive as SIDEWAYS as I can, with most of my boyz following close behind OUTSIDE of the vehicle, positioned in such a way that most enemy units would'nt be able to spot my boyz. Then, I would utilize all my bikers and stormboyz to jump over my own boyz and battle wagon, and make it into melee by declaring a WAAGH at the same time my snikrot kommandos make it onto the field from behind (ideally). The buffed up klaw kommandos would go looking for a fight, and the weaker kommando squad would go capture any objectives and just go to ground. All the while I have a couple zzap guns hopefully softening up big targets for me on my backline. If my opponent wanted to deep strike and take out my mek gunz, I wouldn't care - hes just splitting himself up.

>> No.51823011

Again FoC along with WM, TL and IA are a mess of rules.

>> No.51823016
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My conversion is better

>> No.51823021


go to >>>/m/ and they will explain why

>> No.51823023

How the hell WG want to sell their products when half of armies are still failcast, or even metal(plastic SoB in February rumors XD).

>> No.51823029

never bought chinaman, only finecast with varying degrees of satisfaction, it was never abhorrent but sometimes disappointing.

I hear similar from FW but i have too little to make a statement for that

>> No.51823040

I mean GW.

>> No.51823054
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>tfw going to anvil industries for the first time
>mfw exo-lords

>> No.51823068

(2/2) cont.

I have a couple of requirements so far. I'm definitely keeping my meganobz, because I have four ork juggernauts from Kromlech, and theyre so amazing looking that I dont care how many points they cost. I also just spent 1.5 weeks painting up my stormboyz, so they're in as well. I'm also enamoured with kommandos, and I just want to maximize their effectiveness by being able to outflank. Kind of like an Iron Maiden torture device - you have spikes in the back, spikes closing in from the front, and somoene is throwing baseballs (mek gunz) at you from far away while youre trying to escape.

Any advice / tips / general help other than "kys" and "give up now"?

Should I replace my rokkits with big shootas? Should I change up my battle wagon wargear? Anything else?

Thanks in advance!!

>> No.51823073

Better? Arguably.
More realistic and feasible? Certainly not.
In any case, I still like it. Valkia needs a 40k equivalent or at the very least a resurrection in AoS.

>> No.51823106

if you use the battlewagons as sightblockers keep them cheap as they have rather fragile sides

Hope that the rumored 8th edition will be kinder to orks

>> No.51823111

A a Tau player, how do you deal with Wraithknight spam?
They're almost 100 points less than a Stormsurge, and Stormsurges only get 4 D Missiles that each need a Markerlight just to make them D.
The Stormsurge formations are nowhere near as strong as Dreamwalker (even if Monsoon can lock down a Ghostglaive Wraith).
Riptides are virtually the same cost, but nowhere near as strong.
Tiger Shark is overcosted.
Bringing Fusion/Plasma-spam Crisis Suits or Sniper Teams "works", but it takes too many shots to realistically bring it down.

Is Tau'nar the only choice, or am I missing something?

>> No.51823118
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All this finecast talk, how bad are Aspect warrior models?

>> No.51823121

>For the distant few that want a vanilla Soul Grinder for fun, homebrew logic suggests using Khorne Grinder rules while subtracting Mark of Khorne and Furious Charge.

That true, /tg/?

>> No.51823139

>half of armies are still failcast
You wot M8?
Outside of sisters and inquistion, which armies are majority failcast or metal?
Sure many lines have failcast models, but the vast majority of armies are plastic at this point, and only sisters and inquistion don't have at least thier core units in plastic (core being HQ and troops).

>> No.51823148

give bossnobs a shoota, can't us slugga an klaw at the same time so it's a free extra shot.

Kombi-Skorchas are shit on meganobs as you can't overwatch

Rather than rokkits on boys considers them on kommandoes as they can get rear shots in more reliably.

Also I'd advise you blob your bikers, as is each unit will get blow off the table in a turn.

Do not A*rd case removes assault vehicle AND reduces fire points.

>> No.51823168

I saw one sight that had fuckin' Mechanical Adepts and Space Warriors and other such names. Had a good chuckle.

>> No.51823187

now the real question is if they're good quality despite bootleg names

>> No.51823221

Scorpions suffer from bendy chainswords,
Banshees are even worse at bandy weapons than scorpions, the exarch with executioner is just suicide tier, most end up removing the shaft, replacing it with steel wire and re-fitting the head.

Spiders and Fire dragons are almost solid lumps so no real possibility for problems there.

Hawks are a mixed bad, low weight is a bonus but their guns tend to get droopy

Only had Reapers in metal but they're fairly solid models so expect little isssue.

>> No.51823223

Eldar aspects. All IG regiments that are not Cadian or Catachan. Most of named characters in all factions.

>> No.51823235


Oh well, cheers anyway. I guess I'll have to do what I can.

Fuck knows what Slambo will look like.

>> No.51823238

Probably one of the shittest lists I've ever seen.

You're fielding nothing of worth at 1850 and should stick to lower point games.

>> No.51823293

Well when half of the armies are marines, yes almost every army is in plastic. Try harder shill.

>> No.51823310

massive pain in the fucking ass to work with metal

>> No.51823339
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I dunno, I'm rather fond of my pirWAAAAAGHna.

>> No.51823354


Thanks for the in-depth analysis there m8, but could you tell me a little more?

>> No.51823356

What are the rokkits I hate that I spell rocket like this without even thinking from

>> No.51823369

Can a Farsight Enclave Crisis Suit take Signature Systems from BOTH the Tau Codex AND the Farsight list?

>> No.51823385 [SPOILER] 
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>tfw you're not an ork cuck

>> No.51823408
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Its shit.

You're running boys, which are shit.

More boys in a formation that makes you think they're going to do stuff but its just boys who have made it further up the board. Not to mention only five of them.


Aside from your MANZ and your 2 groups of 3 bikes you're footslogging.

Your entire strategy revolves around pretending armies don't move and your side drifting Battlewagons can somehow offer your shit boys shit cover for shit durability.

Nothing in your list will do anything while its on your table and for 1850 points you accomplish nothing, have no field presence, and aren't playing to any strengths.

May as well be fielding this bullshit.

>> No.51823418


The one the gunner is aiming is from the old metal Deff Dread kit.

The ones under the wings are just the ones from the new Deff Dread kit. Just cut one in half and stuck it on sideways to an uncut one.

>> No.51823435

Check the new tau and FE faqs

>> No.51823440

anon, like, it was first thing that popped to my mind ever. Second was the fact that nids look kinda cute.
How can you be that pure?

>> No.51823447

Why no noob in da naut?

>> No.51823455

This is the formation I'm working on building at the moment, I want a full Ryza Army.

>> No.51823456

You spend points of bad upgrades.

I'd honestly remove the klaws on the boyz and kommandos, they'll never live long enough to do anything meaningful with them. Cutting them will save points.
The kommandos would just have to stand there for a turn after outflanking/infiltrating anyway, just keep one squad with a klaw and make that the one snikrot joins.

Get rid of the 'ard case, grot riggers, extra armour on the battlewagons and rokkit launchers on the first wagon.

If you can, move the rokkit boyz to the tank busta squad, you should put the meganobz in one wagon and tankbustas in the other.

Don't drive the wagons sideways, they have shit side armour.

Zapp gunz a shit, run them as mega kannons.

Group your bikers.

Any spare points left spend on increasing the size of your squads.

>> No.51823459

>Negrons riot and set the entire galaxy on fire
Sounds about right

>> No.51823469

A few questions about skitarii and painting as /wip/ seems to never reply to me.

First of all is the sicarian killclade worth running.
Second, should I be taking the haywire special weapons (arc rifles I yhink) or plasma cavaliers.

Third, will people hate me for running a dragoon in kill team?

Finally, what are some ways to achieve an effect of writing on a mini, my hands always shake too much for me to use a brush so could I use a very fine pen?

>> No.51823471

many warlocks are 2nd, if not earlier
the finecast servitors
some metal guard (mordian, tallarn) and maybe the old commissars
the assold SM bike is as well
some old CSM named chars like Abbydon the failless
the falcon and vyper are from 2nd edition

i might have missed something

>> No.51823483


Really want to get some, but finecast is holding me back. Might get some dragons or reapers now.

>> No.51823494


Thank you anon, I appreciate the advice, but let me explain my reasoning a little more:

I put 'ard case on my wagons because I'm envisioning scenarios when someone else is bike spamming me and tries to surround my blobbed units to get better shots. If I have extra access points on the sides of my wagon, I could retreat many of my units inside of the wagon and come out the other side. Also, I could better utilize my unit layout by going in one side and out the other if I do make it into range successfully. I'm aware that I can;t depart a vehicle and assault in the same turn (I think), so I just wanted to give my regular boyz some options and not force them to go around a big ol bus. Unless I'm mistaken, then please let me know.

My reasoning behind giving kommandos some klaws is that I can tie up back lines in melee, instead of shooting at them with rockets and missing.

As for my meganobz, I just wanted variety and options. Are you sure that I'd be overwatching that frequently with meganobz? Do people try and engage them in melee when they all have klaws? I'm only a month into collecting and havent played an actual game yet, but if thats a thing that happens, I'll switch it up.

I'll blob up my bikes though for sure. I split them up into 2 groups so they can tie up more enemy squad and have a better chance of surrounding by splitting up. I know I'm more likely to lose morale that way, but this is my thought process so far.

Also thanks for the bossnob shoota tip.

Anything else?

>> No.51823504

Don't want to overwhelm my opponent with unstoppable units.

>> No.51823518
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I just realized I now have enough models to run an 1850 list...technically. How obvious is it that I just fully dakka'd out all my units?

>> No.51823520

Page 52
– Forces of the Enclaves, Signature Systems
Change this rule to read:
‘Any character in a Farsight Enclaves Detachment or
Formation that may select Signature Systems may use the
Signature Systems of the Farsight Enclaves (opposite),
at the points costs shown, in addition to the Signature
Systems from Codex: Tau Empire. An XV104 Riptide
Battlesuit in a Farsight Enclaves Detachment may select
an Earth Caste Pilot Array at the points cost shown.’

Thank you

>> No.51823532

>Rise of THE Primarch

Guilliman the only loyalist coming back confirmed

>> No.51823540


Alright I getchya a little more, but uumm.... forgive the noobiest of the noob question here, but arent I required to field at LEAST 3 squads of boyz per my 2 HQ's?

>> No.51823556

WIthout 'ard case battlewagon are open topped so you can embark/disembark/assault out in any direction.

As for Meganob variety.. 40k's golden rule is Specialize or fail al ALL the jobs, unless you are a scatterbike.

>> No.51823563

Reposting my list; last thread was filled with forgeworld shitposting.

Chaos Space Marines (Alpha Legion)
HQ [1]

Sorcerer (180pts) Force Stave, Mastery Level 3, The Mindveil, Sigil of Corruption, Spell Familiar

Elites [1]

Chaos Contemptor (290pts) Chainfist, Plasma Blaster (2), Havoc Launcher, Dedication of Nurgle, Extra Armor

Troops [4]

10x Chaos Space Marines (160pts)
>1x Aspiring Champion
>8x Chaos Space Marines
>1x Chaos Space Marine; Lascannon

10x Chaos Space Marines (160pts)
>1x Aspiring Champion
>8x Chaos Space Marines
>1x Chaos Space Marine; Lascannon

6x Chosen (283pts) Dreadclaw Drop Pod-(Dedicated Transport)
>1x Chosen Champion; Combi-Melta, Power Maul
>5x Chosen; Melta Gun

5x Chosen (265pts) Dreadclaw Drop Pod-(Dedicated Transport)
>1x Chosen Champion; Power Maul
>4x Chosen; Plasma Gun

Heavy Support [3]

2x Chaos Rapier Weapons Battery (140pts)
>1x Rapier; Hades Autocannon
>1x Rapier; Cyclotrathe Pattern Conversion Beamer

2x Chaos Rapier Weapons Battery (140pts)
>1x Rapier; Hades Autocannon
>1x Rapier; Cyclotrathe Pattern Conversion Beamer

1x Chaos Relic Sicaran (230pts) Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Malefic Ammo, Warpflame Gargoyles, LoR: Perdus Rift Anomaly, Extra Armor

>> No.51823578

Sanguinius coming back as ghost of pure rage and blood.

>> No.51823613

No, thats the Ork Horde detachment.

Just use a regular Combined Arms Detachment cad (the one found in the rulebook).

Then its just minimum 1 HQ 2 Troops

>> No.51823645


>never read wrath of magnyaniac
>one son shall fall, one son shall return to the light

its still part 1

>> No.51823646


Excellent advice, hopefully youc an educate me a little more:

I realize wagons have weak armor in general, especially side armor, but that's why I was just gonna put my meganobz in one and nothing in the other, footslogging my boyz up the field. That way, if my wagons explode, very little true value will be lost, while my bikes and stormboyz can still move straight over them when necessary. If this is way too convoluted of a plan though, I'll ditch it.

I heard that ork upgardes are too costly right now, so if you recommend having more boyz with less gear, I'll do it.

>> No.51823661

>I'm aware that I can;t depart a vehicle and assault in the same turn
You can if they're open-topped but 'ard case makes it so they're not.
If you gave the boyz trukks or let them in the wagons they would be allowed to depart and charge in the same turn.
>My reasoning behind giving kommandos some klaws is that I can tie up back lines in melee, instead of shooting at them with rockets and missing.
They can't charge the turn they outflank/infiltrate so they're going to have to just sit there for a turn.
Give them burnas and outflank them, burnas can be used as power swords.
>Are you sure that I'd be overwatching that frequently with meganobz
They CANT overwatch at all and most of the targets they want to klaw aren't even scared of scorchas, don't waste points on one shot weapons.

>> No.51823678

No ones going to take your b8 dude

Give it a rest it's embarrassing

>> No.51823682

my gf plays deldar

>> No.51823683

>having more boyz with less gear

Boys are shit, stop running boys.

>> No.51823698

>implying that doesn't mean Guilliman will kill Magnus and then ascend to the Golden Throne so Emps can finally die and be reborn for Age of the Emperor

>> No.51823705

>Are you sure that I'd be overwatching that frequently with meganobz?

Re-read Slow and Purposeful

>> No.51823714

I know people here hate Tau despite the tournament results, but it was a legitimate question.

>> No.51823719

Battle wagons cost a shitload of points.

av14 front armour isn't bad and a killikannon is a good weapon, it can justify it's points cost if you're using it that way but it's way too costly to use as moving cover. I mean, it costs more than the squads you're using it to protect!

Klaws are good on nobz but not if they're in a squad that won't live to see much combat.

Boyz are disposable meat shields and nothing more. 25 points may not seem like much but when the base squad is 60 points that's almost a 50% increase, unless you're running them as one huge horde it's not worth it.

>> No.51823724

Jesus Christ, Orks are actually so fucking terrible. I actually feel genuenly bad seeing their "options".

>> No.51823738
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You aren't fooling anyone. Even a Taufag couldn't actually be that retarded. Here's a consolation (You), so settle down.

>> No.51823744
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Here you go kid, run this list.

>> No.51823758

I just find it hard to believe that someone playing the army that actually can just vaporize a not psychically buffed wraithknight rather easily has problems with them and thinks they need to resort to forge world

>> No.51823759
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Its ok, we'll get something good eventually

>> No.51823762
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I'm not about to tell you you're wrong, but how else can I interpret this organizational chart from the ork codex?

If I really do only have to take 2 troops, then hooray for me, that changes a lot.

>> No.51823815

that looks like it belongs to some formation
the 'regular' one is in the The_Roolz book not the Kodex

>> No.51823827

I heard the only thing he can't steal, are skittles

>> No.51823829
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What part of >thats the Ork horde detachment, wasn't clear?

That is an Ork specific Detachment that you can CHOOSE to run to get those benefits.

The alternative and much better choice is the rulebook detachment called Combined Arms (because of objective secured and no 3rd troop choice tax).

Seriously, read the rulebook and then read it again, and then read it a third time.

>> No.51823830

I'm both retarded and new.

>the army that actually can just vaporize a not psychically buffed wraithknight rather easily
My question was how I can do that. I listed reasons that I figure didn't work.
If it's not clear, I'm not talking about one or two Wraithknights, because a Stormsurge can probably beat them 1:1 and taking two at 1850 points isn't too costly. I'm talking about a 4+ Dreamwalker formation.

>resort to forge world

>> No.51823841

I was mostly referring to mwg battle report. Shit Orks had to do with was just sad with AdMech being there for comparison.

>One use S10 AP1 Armorbane
>hits on 5s!
>don't forget to roll for not doing shit this turn!

>> No.51823842

>you know how flamers are 5 points? have a 15 point one!
>why is it 15 points?
>because it can also be used a power sword!... but not on the turn you actually used it as a flamer.
>so I can't shoot or use it overwatch and use it as an ap3 weapon? can I at least give it to my nob?
>nope, only on your s3 boyz!
>Wait, sorry, did I say boyz? I mean all these shitty specialist squad of Ork boyz with no armour save
>have fun!

>> No.51823846


That's an optional detachment. You can always elect to use a standard Combined Arms Detachment from the main Rulebook.

Furthermore, you don't have to take Boyz. Grots are also troop choices, and are pretty much the superiour option every time. They're cheap, they sit on objectives, and most importantly, they fulfill the mandatory troop slots, giving you more points to spend on the actually effective stuff in your army, like Meganobz, Lootas, Tankbustas, Mek Gunz and Biker Boyz.

A note on list-building in the current edition; you can have as many Detachments as you like. Formations are a type of Detachment. Nothing stops you from running 3 Combined Arms Detachments if you feel like it.

>> No.51823854

You have some good ideas anon, please plaster that all over /tag/ as it is wipe and when you're finished. I'd like to see that.

>> No.51823863

But they're really fired up!

>> No.51823891

just pour firepower in it
lots of firepower

yes wraithknights are one of the most undercosted units in the game, but as tau player you are not even allowed to be in the complain line. Look at codex DE or nids or orks to find what they have against it.

>> No.51823893

>but it's way too costly to use as moving cover. I mean, it costs more than the squads you're using it to protect!

geez, looking at another list like the one below, I can see what you mean...

What I was trying to avoid the entire time is the horrible failure I keep seeing on channels like tabletoptactics or miniwargaming where the ork players just drive headfirst straight at tau firing lines and hope for the best. So my thought process was to give myself ever-moving cover. But seeing how expensive the wagons are when I intend to use them that way, I really do have very little field presence.

Is there any other way to avoid the "hope the shooty army rolls low while I drive straight at them and hopefully not die" syndrome?

>> No.51823900
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R8 my Uprising of Mutants
Going for a mechanised approach, is going MSU this heavy feasible with GSC?

>> No.51823922

Forgeworld and play greenfaced IG artillery spam.

>> No.51823931

It always baffles me that Russian sculpts like this exist, is there some fucking art institute in Russia pumping out sculptors (unlike shitty western art academies) that do this to make a quick buck?


>> No.51823943


>> No.51823945

>If I have extra access points on the sides of my wagon, I could retreat many of my units inside of the wagon and come out the other side.

The entire vehicle is an access point if you leave it Open Topped.

>My reasoning behind giving kommandos some klaws is that I can tie up back lines in melee

There are very few units that 5 Kommandos can assault and reliably tie up. There's a case for giving them a Klaw to take on vehicles, but frankly it's way too expensive on a unit that are just Boyz with Stealth. They will just get focused down, and they have to spend their first turn with their thumbs up their arse. Woe betide you if the enemy has Ignore Cover.

>Do people try and engage them in melee when they all have klaws?

Yes, if they have Ap2 at initiative. Proper assault units eat MANZ for breakfast. MANZ are disposable missiles; keep 'em cheap, get them stuck into something, don't care when they die.

>Anything else?

Biker Boyz, Lootas, Tankbustas, Mek Gunz (only some variants) MANZ. I've just listed all the decent units in the codex. Support options like Trukks and Painboyz are useful. Only Formations really worth considering are Bullyboyz and....actually come to think of it that's about it.

>> No.51823959

>just pour firepower in it
What kind of firepower? I can field a lot of Fusion/Plasma and Sniper Drones, but I'm still going to be wasting a shooting phase to take down one unit.

>as tau player you are not even allowed to be in the complain line
Why do you think I'm complaining? Because I'm a Tau player?
I asked a simple question with a neutral tone. I laid facts to back up why I'm asking in the first place.

>> No.51823963

Rather people that can make more models in a hour than they can buy for what they earn working an hour.

>> No.51823967

>is there some fucking art institute in Russia pumping out sculptors that do this to make a quick buck?
no, the 40k fanbase in russia is just host to a bunch of talented dudes

if I could understand russian runes I'd probably be browsing their fan forums and shit for fanart/comics, because they make a ton of good stuff

>> No.51823972

>but I'm still going to be wasting a shooting phase to take down one unit

Taufags, ladies and gentleman.

>> No.51823973 [SPOILER] 
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>Only Formations really worth considering are Bullyboyz and....actually come to think of it that's about it.

RIP in peace Blitz Brigade

>> No.51823978

Why do people like Mutants?
They look like dogshit ripped off from Total Recall

>> No.51823983
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Oh well there ya go. I read through the ork codex many times over, and stopped reading the rulebook on the exact page BEFORE the "preparing for war" section so I could ask uneducated questions. Go figure.

Well that changes a lot. Thanks for being patient, anons, I'll come back later with a revised list. I'm still gonna run some boyz though and make them work, because orkz.

>> No.51824002
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>> No.51824020

Guys pls
I asked for list rating, not army rating
I like the gribblies

>> No.51824023

>What I was trying to avoid the entire time is the horrible failure I keep seeing on channels like tabletoptactics or miniwargaming where the ork players just drive headfirst straight at tau firing lines and hope for the best.

There is a reason that keeps happening. It's really the only thing Orks can do against Tau. We can't outshoot them. They can shoot us off objectives. Only option is close in and pray.

>Is there any other way to avoid the "hope the shooty army rolls low while I drive straight at them and hopefully not die" syndrome?

Yeah nah not really. Blitz Brigade used to be a thing but GW decided things were going a little too well for us there.

>I'm still gonna run some boyz though and make them work, because orkz.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

>> No.51824024

DE player here
we have a AP D6 flamer for 15 points
sounds good? Well its S3 hahahhaa

>> No.51824037

does anybody know what's the name of the formation from CSM start collecting box?

>> No.51824039

>nerf punisher

>> No.51824055

>Only Formations really worth considering are Bullyboyz
They have some others in the Red Waagh supplement.

>> No.51824080


Yes, those Formations definitely exist.

You'll notice I said "worth considering".

>> No.51824083

I mean, that's not that bad, because 50% of the time it'll be AP1-3, which alongside volume of fire will do something.

>> No.51824085

Wrathborn iirc

>> No.51824095

yes, I found it in the meantime. thanks anyway

>> No.51824101

Get on that Whale-stormbird so we can see your progress in the next WIP threads!

>> No.51824104

plasma and sniper wound a wraithknight on 6
S6 to T8 and poison vs gargantuan creatures, so they are only used to shove the last wound of or something

S7 Ap4 which tau get in droves (Broadsides with clumsy rocketfists and missile drone) etc is more promising

other than that firewarriors can wound him, as can sniperkroot both which can be taken in masses, especially breachers for the lulz.

you can increase your to-wound rolls with this monsterhunter signature (i think it also works on GC not sure)

>> No.51824122
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>Only Formations really worth considering are Bullyboyz and....actually come to think of it that's about it.

Well crap, that puts a damper on everything.

>I've just listed all the decent units in the codex

I think my plans right now are gonna me to have 1-2 units of kommandos for fun and options, rework the rest of my list by theorycrafting, wait for 8th edition orkz, and then cry when nothing changes.

>> No.51824154

>wait for 8th edition orkz, and then cry when nothing changes.

There you go, now you're an Ork player.

Welcome to 40K, hope you enjoy losing.

>> No.51824163

What's wrong with that statement? I'm both retarded and new, like I said.

Wraithknights are 300-point units. If my entire force is pumping shots into this single model, that means he has 1500+ points of scatbikes and psykers going unmolested. And if I don't kill it, I've virtually lost a turn. If I divide my power, I probably won't kill it.

>> No.51824177

Soo. Is it shit? Good? Lacking anything besides Anti-air, which i hope the Goliaths TL autocannons can take care of?

>> No.51824186

Gorillion missile pods with buffmander for twin-links and monster hunter can bring pain. Statistically the knight should take some wounds but I've seen the miracle of dices happen way too often. Skyray unloading full volley with good markerlight support shaves 2 wounds. Riptide wing with HBC going all in brings the pain too. But dealing with wraithknight(s) is really bothersome even for tau. Especially if the eldar goes first and gets his psychics up and/or gives the D to key units.

>> No.51824195
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By that logic Flash Gitz are "not that bad".

>> No.51824212

Flash Gitz are so close to being a viable unit its infuriating.

Their Kaptain Badrukk formation that gives master crafted proves they can be insanely powerful.

>> No.51824237

>There is a reason that keeps happening. It's really the only thing Orks can do against Tau. We can't outshoot them. They can shoot us off objectives. Only option is close in and pray.

If only I could charge the same turn my kommandos come on the board from behind, everything would be different. There's GOT to be another way to break up shooty blobs though... I wonder if a couple large blast mek gunz might scare them. Still dont think that would work against super spread out tank lines from the Guard though...

>Shine on you crazy diamond.

Gotta live the Ork life, or no life at all!!

>> No.51824238
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you kinda got a point m8. but dig this.

>be me
>be ork bro
>play against another faggit eldar
>kill his wraith knight with 2 squads of Tank Busta shootin by round 3

Seems like every army needs to include a dedicated anti-wraith knight squad

>Riddle me this fa/tg/uys:

Can Knight Commander Pask in a punisher with heavy bolter sponsons defeat a Wraith Knight?

>> No.51824244

Orks are better than Necrons :^) variancehammer . com /2017/02/19/lvo-2017-analysis-doom-of-the-eldar/

>> No.51824247
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>All these Astra Militarum players

>> No.51824264

RIP Zagstrukk assault from deep strike special ability because it was too powerful....and then they go and give it to fucking every assault marine

>> No.51824280

>I wonder if a couple large blast mek gunz might scare them.

The only large blast Mek Gun is the Bubblechuka, and it doesn't scare anyone. Besides, Tau really get scary when they shove Suits in there, and they don't give two fucks about blast weapons, since they'll only wound them at best once.

>> No.51824281

>and then they go and give it to fucking every assault marine

wait what? pls explain

>> No.51824303

Pask won't, but he'll deal some damage before he dies.

>> No.51824315

>Eldar got humongous buff
>Orks got fucked by FAQ even more

>> No.51824343


I actually had the Ork 4th edition codex I got years ago just for something to read, and I was pumped when I wanted to revisit the table top game and dreamt of flying in from behind with squads of stormboyz with orky glory.

Then I read the 7th edition, and was confused as to where it went. I'll make some blob-breaker strategy work eventually, just gotta wait for 8th edition right now.

>> No.51824345

Well technically you only 'need' 2 heavy bolters to kill wraithknight. It's not reliable but it can happen.

>> No.51824378

Yeah, was leaning that way anyway. Greenstuff, magnets and sculpting tools plus new hobby knife are here, Whale is still in transit from Burgerland. No idea what the fuck is taking it so long, might get some Ghouls and that greenstuff world rolling pin and do some of the worthless chaff before the flying Titan. Problem is coming up with a way to do the cool cybernetic spine on the back without it looking shit or Orky.

>> No.51824381

Oh fuck, someone please mathhammer this

>> No.51824388

I4 Power Klaw attacks in exchange for dead boys on the charge...glorious.

>> No.51824433

Which imperial knight should I take for my Adeptus Mechanicus War Convocation? The cheapest I assume?

>> No.51824447

What does it wound on? If it's 6s, single shoot has 3.7% to cause unsaved wound(it has 4+/5+++ right?).

>> No.51824448

Acheron or atrapos

>> No.51824455
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>he plays loyalist guard

>> No.51824468

Not factoring in Ballistic Skill, odds of one Hbolter hit wounding a Wraithknight is 1/27. Therefore odds of all 6 managing that are 27 to the power of 6 to one, or 1/387420489.

>> No.51824500
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How does this look? Do I need more anti-tank?

>> No.51824531

3+/5+++ actually
>not factoring in Ballistic Skill
Holy shit, that would be the kill of the millenium
Eldar player would have to suck his cock while burning all his own miniatures

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Roughly 1 in 578,5e15

>> No.51824577

>3+/5+++ actually
2.46% then, which fits with what other anon did, assuming that your To Hit are 3s.

>> No.51824588

Just paint him as a statue an use him as terrain.

>> No.51824605

Nah, Gallant won't benefit very well from all the shooting rerolls you'll be throwing down. Get a Warden for balanced shooty while retaining S:D capability, or a Crusader if you just want stuff to fuck off and die. Personally I pretty much pick from those two at random, since I can never decide which is better. Probably get a Warden if you've got to pick, just because it's less of a massive point sponge.

>> No.51824617

It should be 1/3 to hit, they're not snapfiring.

>> No.51824620


>27 models
Grey knights really got the short end of the stick with regard to power creep, huh.

>> No.51824626

vanguard have it, i think
and assault marines in that skydumb shithammer formation bullshit

not every assault marine

CSM get it in a formation, but disorganized only and ofc unlike SM dont have droppods and teleport homers on every leg

>> No.51824629

Shit I fucked up the to hit rolls. Somehow I was thinking it was snapshots. Well with bs3 it's 3 times more likely and bs4 4 times more likely.

>> No.51824647

Hilarious part is that Wraithknight is not much more durable than the fucking Riptide.
Still better than TSons.

>> No.51824668

The Sons would like a word. *sobs dust*

>> No.51824669

>vanguard have it
They haven't since 5th, and when they did it was disorganized. The Shadowstrike Kill Team lets them do it but it has a Scout tax.

>skydumb shithammer formation bullshit
Not even going to try to defend this one, you're right.

>unlike SM dont have droppods and teleport homers on every leg
You haven't been able to assault out of pods the turn they drop in literally forever. Teleport homers are fucking worthless because they only work on Terminators, and locator beacons are too costly to spam because they do not work the turn they come down and will be focus fired/opponent will move out of their area/they'll be fucking worthless because the unit they were supposed to escort comes in same turn as them.

>> No.51824697

Except the sons can shit out AP3 and a lot more psychic pewpew than the GK can at the same points. New TS rules are actually really fucking fun.

>> No.51824699

what about looted wagons with killcannons?

>> No.51824731


It looks almost artistic. Like it's impressionist or something.

>> No.51824742


>Str 7 Ap3 24" range on an AV11 open-topped chassis

There is no ranged-blob force anywhere who is actually afraid of that. It doesn't insta-kill T4, which is a big issue facing Tau, it doesn't ignore cover, it's short ranged, and it's on an easy to pop chassis. I mean it's cheap, sure, but it's just not scary.

>> No.51824762

anyone have a scan of Fracture of Biel-Tan yet?

>> No.51824764

I imagine so, but the draw of me getting a forth Knight and doing something special with it to suit my skitarii is just too tempting.

>> No.51824778

If argue the CSM formation is pretty good in conparison, at least as assault goes. You can actually toss a Chaos Lord with them and can get Warp Talons instead of standard assault marines, which need those extra charge attacks to be deadly.

The actual dangerous part of Skyhammer is relentless Grav Devastators.

>> No.51824787

>when you have epub or converted pdf
Anon please.

>> No.51824797

The CSM one counts it as a disordered charge, iirc.

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>> No.51824833

>Hilarious part is that Wraithknight is not much more durable than the fucking Riptide.
Doesn't it have more Toughness and Wounds? And they don't need Markerlight support since they come in at WS/BS 8. But the real issue is that it comes with D Weapons on top of that, whereas the Riptide has to take it down through volume.

Please don't interpret this as me complaining, or me justifying the Riptide, or me saying Tau is bad. I'm simply asking about how I can deal with Wraithknights.

>> No.51824838

they scatter all over the damned place
warp talons are really fukken expensive and only S4

but its still one of the better CSM things i agree
(especially as raptors are not assault marines and can pick melta or plasmaguns too)

>> No.51824845

>Warp Talons
They're shit.

>The actual dangerous part of Skyhammer is relentless Grav Devastators.
For killing shit fast, sure. But there's a lot to be said about Assault Marines charging your units which can't overwatch just because a combat squad shot bolters at them.

>> No.51824850

riptide has a 2+/5++ armor not a 3+

>> No.51824872

>WS/BS 8
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you the same Taufag that said he needed to counter Dreamwalker Squadron? You know that that shit is Apoc-only, right?

>> No.51824874

That's my point. Vanilla marines are getting 3 attacks per assault marine, and 4 from the seargeant with a power sword or something similar. At most, they'll have a pair of evicerators to deal damage with.

For comparison, the Chaos formation is going to have 1 less attack each on their Raptors, but could bring Plasma or Melts over flamers. As well, you're talking at least 4 attacks from the Chaos lord, which means the unit can go after more dangerous targets. Alternatively, you can go for warp talons and get 2 lightning claw attacks compared to 3 chainsword attacks for vanilla marines, along with the potential to blind.

Disorderly charges aren't that big of a downside on squads that actually get options.

>> No.51824881

t6 vs t8
2+ vs 3+
5++ vs Optional 5++ (lose d guns)
optional FNP vs FNP
- vs GC special defences

2+ and t6 gives riptide great resilience against massed small arms but then again WK is straight up immune to anything s4 or worse. I suppose riptide is superior at tanking autocannons and krak missiles and worse against everything else.

>> No.51824904

I always felt the Looted Wagon's profile should change depending on the enemy you face, and when facing two or more factions you chose which profile you received.

Facing Tau or Eldar?
AV12 Skimmer, Ramshackle. Gun ignores cover
Facing Space Marines or Imperial Guard?
AV13 Tank w/ extra armor, Ramshackle. Gun is now ordinance
Facing Orks or Genestealers?
AV12 Open Topped, Extra Armor, Ramshackle. Gun now has fleshbane
Facing Tyranids?
T7 W3 S3+ Monstrous Creature, gun has fleshbane

Subject to balancing of course.

>> No.51824924

At the very least you can play against Eldar.

>> No.51824933

Not gonna lie, sounds pretty fun.
Against ad mech, it becomes orkish crabtank?

>> No.51824935
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Here's my list for Gathering Storms episode III "Revenge of the Smurf".
It'll be a multiple-player Apoc game.
I'm expecting at least one person to have a psychic deathstar, so the Command squad + Psyocculum Inquisitor will hit that like a ton of bricks.
Canoness and priests join the 3+ save blob.
The rest needs no explanantion.

C&C? Specifically the ways I'll get annihilated by Wraithknights?

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r8, no h8

>> No.51824941

Deathwing I get, but how can you fail to paint ravenwing?

Paint it dark grey.
Apply layers of nuln oil until it's almost black.
Highlight with the original grey at your leisure.

>> No.51824948

You forgot
>Nova can turn the 5++ into 3++ before you even complain about muh risk vs reward the reactor roll is easy to reroll
>it has literally one less wound
<can take 3 Riptides for every 2 WK

The Riptide is only truly weaker to Grav and Instant Death weapons.

>> No.51824976

fucking finally found this shit

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They should have a list of options similar to this.

In fact they should just replace it with this.

>> No.51825040

>Orks are better than Necrons :^)
ITC rules allow for Buzzgob's Stompa upgrade to be 300 pts instead of the usual 770 pts giving Orks a massive power boost. Plus Necrons get dicked on by flyers.

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Never noticed this before in the old IA:8. Wonder if this was hinting at some new Buggy kits, before Forgeworld decided that anything that wasn't Tau or Horus Heresy wasn't worth producing.

>> No.51825050

I imagine something like
AV12 Walker, 6+ invuln, Gun has Haywire

I love the idea of an ork unit that both grabs the bonuses of and slightly counters the faction it fights.

>> No.51825057
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>Revenge of the Smurf
Fuck off back to 1d4

>psychic deathstar, so the Command squad + Psyocculum Inquisitor will hit that like a ton of bricks.
Except it won't, because any good deathstar will be invisible

>Canoness and priests join the 3+ save blob
The what? Please don't tell me you're sticking them with Celestine.

>Specifically the ways I'll get annihilated by Wraithknights
The Eldar player will down your Exorcists and then you are out of answers. Pray it does not happen it will


>> No.51825062

Hah, well right now it's just me being heady over discovering this abomination. I need to finish painting up my 1k army first.

>> No.51825078

I did some quick numbers for Heavy Bolters and Autocannons, and the results were very even.

I would say the only area where the Riptide loses out is AP 2 weapons and Snipers, where the 2+ save is ignored and the Wraithknight's high toughness matters more.

>> No.51825096

Why not make it simple? Just replace the WS to 4 and the BS to 2. For any vehicle, super heavy, MC or GMC.

Want to loot a Chimera? Ok now it is BS2 it cost the same as the original and has access to all the Ork upgrades.

>but muh balance!
Are we playing the same game? Balance was thrown out of the window when codex where introduce one by one.

>> No.51825103

What knight/titan unit do necons have?
All other races exept Dark Eldar(but i'm certain they can take revenant titan) have their own knights and titans.

>> No.51825122

Obelisk and Tesseract Vault are the cron superheavies in the codex, pylon is the FW one.

>> No.51825130

Like pylon or obelisk or pyramid or eliacube or whatever it is that necrons have.

>> No.51825131

this ubermonolith(obelisk) and the transcendant ctan

>> No.51825146

Maybe, maybe not. FW gets away with making art for stuff they don't sell.

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We had that.

>> No.51825158

Honestly I was surprised when I saw GW still has these for sale on their site.

They're ugly as hell so I don't know why anyone would want them, but still.

>> No.51825162

I would say this is the best option. Perhaps add in I 2 where it matters, and swap out what Vehicle upgrade list they can pick from, but really there wouldn't be any problem with Orks pinching every existing vehicle at BS 2.

Heck, you could probably even let them loot Tau battlesuits or Eldar Jetbikes without breaking much. BS 2 makes even those more reasonable.

>> No.51825176

That's pretty weak if compared to a knight or titan.

>> No.51825182

I know. A friend of mine still miss his looted Basilisk

>> No.51825193

Mega armors are sorta like ork crisis suits, jetpacking nobs would be hilarious though. Defkoptas are already ork jetbikes?

>> No.51825201

I belive those are looted tauroses.

>> No.51825207

Yeah the cron super heavies are all garbage.

>> No.51825219

Go take a look at Escalation's Transcendent C'tan. Necrons used to own the Lords of War slot.

>> No.51825245

Used to, being the keyword there.

>> No.51825256

I guess the answer might be to make a more shooty version of Mega armor

>> No.51825270

That's better.

>> No.51825300

And? You're atoning for past sins. It's the same reason why Warriors have a 4+ save and Monoliths are garbage. The oldschool Monolith Phalanx, which was the Necron Apocalypse superheavy alternative from back when they didn't have any except for maybe the Pylon, was one of the most bullshit formations of its time. It would probably still be good in the current meta if it retained old Gauss, seeing as the death march playstyle it supported would be excellent in the current system.

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They sort of tried that. Of course, with predictable incompetence when it comes to all things Orky, GW made it shit.

>> No.51825313


>Except it won't, because any good deathstar will be invisible
Invisibility is *very* difficult to get off when you're competing for WC with the guy who wants to prescience his big guns and your opponents team is willing to throw 12+ dice to stop it.

>Please don't tell me you're sticking them with Celestine
Nope. Celestine's my off-brand distraction Carnifex.

>> No.51825328

May be a looted version of those Imperial Guard buggies they sell.

I think the real reason Forgeworld doesn't make Ork stuff is that Ork players are more willing to kitbash to just use the rules. Why buy a mega bomba or whatever when you can just build one from plasticard?

>> No.51825358

Seriously? How hard is it to just let Meganobz take twin-linked skorchas or something.

Hell, chuck a grot-manned big shoot a turret on their backs while you're at it.

>> No.51825368

>when you're competing for WC with the guy who wants to prescience his big guns
Good teams don't have this problem. Shit, good PLAYERS don't have this problem. Presicience is nice, but Invisibility is MANDATORY. Do not bank on it not going off, because if it is rolled it WILL be cast.

>your opponents team is willing to throw 12+ dice to stop it
Except you're playing Sisters and have like two dice, so unless your teammates are GK, Daemons or a psychic deathstar of your own you won't have those dice.

Then what the fuck are they doing? Footslogging? I shouldn't even need to tell you why that's a bad idea.

>Reddit spacing
What does that even mean? How about you fuck off.

>> No.51825387

Are Grey Knights a popular army?

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>> No.51825406

Nah monoliths are way to easy to kill now to justify taking them en masse.

>> No.51825471

Not really. The old Monolith's only weakness was the D. I guess it'd also die to Haywire, but it gave no shits about melta and the rare lance, nor grav.

>> No.51825481

Sounds like they need to make a Necon titan. Like a giant spider sphinx or something

>> No.51825494

giant centipede

>> No.51825508

I was talking about current monoliths using that formation, but yeah the old school monolith was great.

I'd settle for having the current set of super heavies being worth taking.

>> No.51825798

As a man who is trying to build more custom dudes out of Mark IV sets, DA Upgrade sprues, and Mark VI sets, let me just say:

GW HAS gotten better at moulding because CHRIST the lines on these DA Boltguns.

>> No.51825807

you know what the fuck I mean, you pedant.

>> No.51825929

i dunno if they got better i think the old moulds are simply more worn out

>> No.51825935

before this get closed

NEw thread


>> No.51826083

The Lion has been in the middle of The Rock since the Dark Angels first got actual fluff beyond being a color scheme in Rogue Trader.
It's not an "advancing the story" thing.

It was explicitly stated as what was going on in Codex: Angels of Death back in 2ed by Rick Priestly and Jervis Johnson.

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