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0th for edgy red marines

>previous thread
>>51727826

>Dank Daily Duncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDu04O22mJ8

>40k rules reference in wiki format. 204% Organized
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>Rules and such. Use Readium for epubs. Sorry, it's shit, but it'll read 3s.
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ

>Latest GW teases
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>Latest GW attempts to fuck up your list
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>DIS DA WAAAGH ORGANIZA, ZOG YERSELF IF YER STILL ASKIN' ABOUT IT
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>A much better roster making program
https://battlescribe.net/

>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

>The Black Library (Please stop using Rubrics as book marks)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q

>> No.51731292

first for tau master race

>> No.51731300
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51731300

Gonna play a game versus a friend tomorrow. My list is the guys on the right, his the guys on the left.

What do y'all think? We in for a fun/interesting/neat game or not?

>> No.51731314

3rd for slaanesh

>> No.51731316

Don't. From last thread
Alright /tg/

What's that one model you keep putting off finishing

>there's probably a lot of models you've put off or left unfinished, but you know the one I'm talking about, the worst one, the one you cringe and are disappointed to think about

Tonight's the night, just do it

>> No.51731323

Nth for my insomnia

>> No.51731324
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>tfw named Duncan.
>tfw can't go to GW without people whispering and pointing.
>tfw the younger patrons call you "Saint Duncan"
>tfw people leave small offerings of dried out paint pots and poorly painted marines at my door.
>tfw don't even have an english accent.
>tfw can't paint.

>> No.51731331

>>51731300

If you guys play a nice littered table top of terrain where you can find lots of cover, I say it would be a fun match for Raptors

>> No.51731333

How strong are spess mehreens to humans? Like Andre the Giant to Tyrion Lannister?

>> No.51731338

Eldar CAD
>Farseer - Skyrunner
>Autarch - Skyrunner, Fusion Blaster, Banshee Mask, Laser Lance
>3x Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>3x Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>5x Wraithguard - D-Scythes
>Crimson Hunter - Exarch
>Wraithknight - Glaive and Shield

Dark Eldar CAD
>Archon - Webway, Shadowfield, Blaster
>5x Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Scourges - 4x Haywire Blasters
>6x Reavers - 2x Cluster Caltrops, 2x Blasters

I've still got 22 points to play around with. Any major suggestions, significant changes? I don't have the time to do up more than maybe or two changes but open to C&C.

>> No.51731339

reposting from the last thread:

Is there a list that shows which 30k models can be used in 40k too.

I know that you can field contemptors and Sicaran Battle-tanks but cant field a primarch.

Im interested in the Heavy-support Kakophani and the Legion Praetors.(I mean i could just play them as really expensive Noise Marines and as Chaos Terminator Lord I just wanna know)

>> No.51731345

>>51731320

Woops

>> No.51731360

>>51731333
Space Marines can cave in a human rib cage with one bunch. Human bones are as tough as concrete. You do the math.

>> No.51731375

>>51731360
So Andre the Giant compared to a newborn?

>> No.51731378
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>Aeldari
Gayest name ever conceived?

>> No.51731390

>>51731345
I find meltavets in chimeras do more than scions.

But autocannons are good, they don't break SM armor, but they wound on 2s and have multiple shots.

>> No.51731405

>>51731333
A space marine can take on as many normal human bodybuilders as Arnie can take on 10y/o kids

thats in the fluff not the tabletop

>> No.51731412

>>51731333
Depends on who's writing them but usually a space marine can one shot a human bare handed and is very hard to kill even with anti tank weapons

>in one story a black Templar takes a plasma blast to the face and he lives, I mean in a dreadnought but he lives

>> No.51731415

>>51731339
There isn't a formal list, afaik. Kakophani could be used as Noise Marines and a Primarch could be used as a Daemon Prince.

Several Legion-specific units don't really have a 40k equivalent.
The bigger issue is in the weapons department. There are two main issues:
1) Several 30k weapons don't exist in 40k (Volkites, mostly)
2) 30k lists can take many, many more heavy/special weapons. Many more than can be used in an equivalent squad in 40k.
For example, there is no 40k marine squad that can take 10 flamers or meltaguns, and devastators can only take 4 heavy weapons whereas a 30k heavy support squad can take up to 10.

Also, 30k terminators can mix and match weapons, but 40k (loyalist) terminators cannot. That won't affect you much, since you play CSMs, but I feel like I should note it.

Most vehicles have chaos versions in Imperial Armour Volume 13, but you cannot take any jetbikes or land speeders at all.

What other units in particular to you have questions about?

>> No.51731420

>>51731378
Nah your parents thought of that one my dude

>> No.51731421

>>51731378
Are you still trying to troll that one guy? Just give it up, that was hours ago, that bait ain't fresh

>> No.51731443

>>51731390
dont autocannons have armorbane? not sure how it interacts tho

>> No.51731451
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>>51731420
>he is STILL mad

>> No.51731452

If 40k goes the way of Age of Sigmar I'll likely end up selling most of my stuff. Would anyone here, who would stick with the game regardless, be willing to buy some of my stuff?

I'd like to know now so I can decide whether to sell now or wait.

>> No.51731459

Is there a pdf of Fracture of Biel-Tan out yet?

>> No.51731466

>>51731443
no

>> No.51731478

What would be the most realistic way to end 40k, taking history and setting mechanics into account?

>> No.51731488

>>51731316
I've got an Imperial Knight that I need to assemble, magnetize, and paint. I've got a big backlog of other stuff too, but I just kinda want to save that for later.

>> No.51731491

>>51731459
Yes

>> No.51731507

>>51731491
Is it as bad as FoC?

>> No.51731509

>>51731415
Just to nitpick a little bit, tech-priest dominus has volkite blaster, but he's the only one in 40k

>> No.51731510

>>51731338
What point value are you playing with?

>> No.51731515

>>51731509
Yes, and he's also not in a marine army.

>> No.51731521

>>51731300
Thas god damn hilarious.
Disappointed in lack of orks on both sides (considering the theme, I don't really like Orks otherwise), but otherwise hilarious.

>> No.51731522

>>51731412
Dreadnoughts are AV12 frontal though, the Plasma would need to roll a 4 to glance, 5+ to pen.

:^)

>> No.51731527

>>51731507
Haven't read it yet

>> No.51731528

>>51731510

Sorry should have said that - 1850.

>> No.51731535

>>51731507
It has a superior waifu, so no.

>> No.51731545

>>51731491

Where can one obtain it?

>> No.51731546

>>51731515
Tru dat

>> No.51731550

>>51730289
>dat poem

>>51731378
Laziest, perhaps. It's like the equivalent of a 15-year-old coming up with their own fantasy world, and renaming the stock fantasy races "Elvii", "Dwarfun", etc. in a lazy attempt at originality.

>> No.51731554

>>51731522
No the plasma is what put him in a naught

>> No.51731562

>>51731415
was eyeing up Eidolon, Phoenix Terminators and Palatine Blades but theyre currently on "Email-me" so I wont buy them until next month or so

maybe the EC side-note in Fracture of Biel-tan turns out to be a thing and we get Slaanesh Dupstep Terminators in 40k like 1ksons did

>> No.51731577

Blood Angels are disgusting abberants.

The Codex Astartes does not support this thread.

>> No.51731578

>>51731535
>disgusting xenos dyke
>better than thicc celestine
lmao

>> No.51731587

>>51731545
It's been linked around here on request. I'm too lazy to get out of bed and do it myselfright now. I'm sure someone will come along and do it.

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>>51731507
Did Fall of Cadia have this hidden gem?

>> No.51731593

>>51731535
>Being this much of a faggot
>Disrespecting Patron saint of T H I C C

kys

>> No.51731595

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4on5aol8pllgsu/gathering-storm-fracture-of-beil-tan.epub?dl=0

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Need help on army.
Second half coming soon.

>> No.51731626

>>51731562
>Phoenix Terminators
Chaos Terminators w/ Power Weapons. Only problem is that the models don't have combi-bolters, but it's not a big one.

>Palatine Blades
Chosen with Power Weapons. Unfortunately you can't take more than 4 or 5 pwrwpns in a chosen squad, but they'd make for beautiful sergeants/champions.

You might want to ask /hhg/ their opinion on how those two units actually play in 30k. I've heard bad things about the Termies.

>> No.51731628

>>51731562
>eyeing up Eidolon
You mean purple fat Skrillex?
Just look at his torso, that boy thicc.

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>>51731623
Second half.

>> No.51731636

>>51731277
>Dank Daily Duncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKF6GUyI8VA

>> No.51731638

>>51731535
Not bowing in worship to her thighs the moment you saw her

Wait here I need to grab the commissar

>> No.51731655

>>51731300
Wait. Can you seriously just take ministorum priests as their own one-man formations now?

What is even the point of limiting the Guard to three priests per detachment if you can just take as many as you want as allied detachments?

For that matter, did they just make Commissars obsolete because you can now take as many fearless zealots as you please?

>> No.51731659

>>51731638
Inquisitor Grayfax didn't bow though......
Not that I'm defending the other anon.

>> No.51731666

>>51731333
A space marine fluff wise is basicly captain America in iron man's armour I guess, if captain America was not skinny at the start but closer to a world champion level strongman who then went through that treatment.
And then if Matt ward is around, you have the ultramarines, who are basicly what space marines are to space marines that are to a normal man.

>> No.51731680

>>51731452
If it does i will sell too. Are you considering any other games?

>> No.51731689

>>51731655
Tournaments that have detachment limits.

>> No.51731695

>>51731666
>And then if Matt ward is around, you have the ultramarines, who are basicly what space marines are to space marines that are to a normal man.
I'm still wondering how Ward managed to turn "UMs are the SM jack-of-all-trades" into "UMs are the bestest Spess Muhreenz 5eva",

>> No.51731708

>>51731680
Not really. I don't particularly like the models in Warmachine/Hordes and don't have an interest in X-Wing. I'm also not into card games, so Magic and the like are out too.

40k is the only /tg/-related game I play, or really have any interest in.

>> No.51731713

>>51731659
>She does more than bow in my own fantasies

>> No.51731719

>>51731695
by being given far too much creative freedom
>Matt Ward comes back Nov 16
>Guilliman awoken in Feb 17
Really activated my almonds.

>> No.51731731

>>51731719
Tell the full story anon, what is ward actually working on?

>hint it's not 40k fluff or rules

>> No.51731741

>>51731719
The hilarious part is people say Ward made Draigo because he couldn't bring back Roboute.
You fools gave that challenge to Ward.
now you're paying for it

>> No.51731747

>>51731719
>>Matt Ward comes back Nov 16
>>Guilliman awoken in Feb 17
All jokes aside, GW releases are generally planned 1.5-2 years in advance, so nah.

>> No.51731753
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>>51731695
He was given carte Blanche for the space marines and was apparently obsessed with Roman culture from a young age, he took the oppurtunity to make lore that every chapter wants to be the ultramarines, even if they were second founding out of a different legion, or even a first founder.

Thus, ultramarines rule the world of man now, and with pic related its only going to get worse.

The people in control of GW and who are higher than the writers don't care about the game or lore, its business to them, so people like ward are left unchecked and he is just the beginning.

>> No.51731764

I've been getting back into playing 40k and am i the only one that thinks the allies system is ridiculous, especially for a game that should be trying to steer itself away from min-maxing.
It breaks the game with cheesy combinations and ruins the unique qualities of the armies themselves, why invest in any army when you can just google "da bes" guys from each (yes i know it has limitations but still)
Was on the fence about playing competitively in local tournaments but now I'm completely put off after hearing that most of the people i will be playing against will be running ridiculous tau/eldar armies.

>> No.51731789

I'm pretty new to 40k and would like to make a nazi themed army. Is the imperial guard the best army for this or is it space marines since they are more elite and tech heavy?

>> No.51731792

>>51731764
You know allies are rarely used in competitive right?
Allies really only helped the Imperium, and that makes sense.
Everything else is pretty much solo, cause they can't pair well/don't need to pair with others.

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>>51731719
>Really activated my almonds.

>> No.51731795

>>51731708

How much? I want to make a viral video of a burning army again.

>> No.51731802

>>51731792

>Allies aren't used in competitive play
>What is Riptide Wing
>What is nearly every Chaos Army

>> No.51731805

>>51731789
There's the Red Scorpions for Nazi Space Marines.
Practically all Imperial Guard have Nazi themes, but Death Korps of Krieg is one the closest.
better not be /pol/ bait, anon.

>> No.51731819

>>51731792
>what is taudar
>what is a riptide wing

>> No.51731820

>>51731802
>Eldar
>Necrons
I'm sorry, two of three current OP armies seemingly don't have allies for some reason.
I wonder why.
And chaos in competitive? You'll have to enlighten me on that.

>> No.51731845

>>51731747
>helped write End Times, setting the stage for Age of Sigmar
>didn't have a hand in writing the shit that led to Girlyman's return 2.5 years after he left
pls anon. pls.

>> No.51731848

>>51731820

Eldar - Do you understand how many Riptide Wings get run in competitive Eldar armies? Its called Taudar for a reason.

Necrons - aren't competitive, try again.

Competitive Chaos - Demons, KDK, and Renegades and Heretics.

>> No.51731850

>>51731819
Taudar is quite rare m8.
Most people solo those armies cause their cheesy enough on their own.

>> No.51731861

>>51731848
Gotta say, Decurions.
None of those chaos choices are competetive last time I checked.
Once more, I don't see Taudar as often as you make it out to be.

>> No.51731862

Is there a book that has massive space battles with loyalist ships?
Also what are the best books to read about chaos marines as well as tau? Not asking for one with both since I believe there is currently no encounters aside from super limited experiences between the two

>> No.51731868

>>51731850

You are fucking wrong. Did you watch any of the LVO coverage?

Just go to fucking Blood of Kittens and look at the top lists. They constantly and consistently use allies. Eldar ally with Corsairs all the fucking time.

>> No.51731876

>>51731805
Death korps is WW1 west-front Wehrmacht not WW2 but I guess

>> No.51731878

>>51731478
Emprah wakes up and deletes everything he does not like.

>> No.51731879

>>51731795
It'd take awhile to catalogue everything. I've got several armies and most of them are large, so I couldn't even begin to figure out a cost (especially since AotE would probably devalue most of it).
I've got:
Sisters of Battle
Valhallans
Vostroyans
Cadians (metal army and plastic army)
Space Marines (many, many models, much of it unbuilt)
Chaos Daemons
Chaos Marines
Night Lords (30k)
Orks
Dark Eldar (3e and modern models)
Necrons (original metal and some plastic, but nothing from 5e or later)
Grey Knights
Various RT bits, inquisitors, ambull, adventurers, etc

If the rumors pan out about 30k remaining nearly the same I'll probably keep the Night Lords and Vostroyans (to use as Solar Auxilia). I'd probably keep the Sisters as well.

>> No.51731881

>>51731861

So what you're saying is you don't know a fucking thing about competitive play?

Demons aren't competitive? They made 2 of the top 8 in LVO. Renegades and Heretics isn't competitive? THE LIST FUCKING WON THE LVO.

>> No.51731888

>>51731861
>>51731850

Just go here and read so you can stop looking so fucking dumb.

http://bloodofkittens.com/7th-edition-army-list-compendium/

>> No.51731906

>>51731753
>he took the oppurtunity to make lore that every chapter wants to be the ultramarines, even if they were second founding out of a different legion, or even a first founder.
This is probably the most astounding part of it. It's at least somewhat understandable that UMs are consider the epitome of Space Marines, because of the Codex and all, but I'd think the view that they're basically celebrities to be envied and worshipped rather than just a baseline would be limited mainly to Chapters with close genetic and cultural ties to them. Instead, though, Ward took the opportunity to basically say "lol, your Chapter's lore, culture, history, and Primarch don't really matter, the important thing is that they have anxiety over not being Ultraclones, and really want Girlyman to be their Ultradad".

Ward's UM fetish been discussed to death at this point though, so I'm not even sure why I'm saying this.

>> No.51731918

>>51731845
Fair point. I forgot that he left just after working on End Times.

>> No.51731922

>>51731789
TBh, Craftworld Eldar or Imperial Guard.

>> No.51731927

>>51731626
>You might want to ask /hhg/ their opinion on how those two units actually play in 30k. I've heard bad things about the Termies.

They're not bad per se, but you could just build a more points efficient unit with aTartaros Terminator Command Squad that are also equipped with Phoenix Spears.

>> No.51731939

>>51731805
Death Korps are WWI. That's before the Nazis, anon.

>> No.51731940

>>51731888
Not that guy but honestly looking at that makes me feel like the game generally is pretty balanced considering how many factions have wins

>> No.51731956

>>51731879
>hundreds, if not thousands, of schmeckles invested into 1 game system
>literally 1 game system
>not even rumours of upcoming rules have been posted
>immediate assumption that rules are going to shit
>with no substantial proof, immediately resorts to purging years' worth of hobby
>with no plans to compensate

I get that certain rumours point to something you're not interested in, but there's certainly a better course of action.

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>>51731906

>> No.51731968

Is there any possibility of getting a codex for servo skulls?

>> No.51731984

>>51731792
This is my point though, usually an army will have strengths and weakness but with allies you're just cherry-picking the best units in the game without ever having any drawbacks, as an ork player this sickens me and it's just not in the spirit of the game

>> No.51731989

>>51731876
>>51731939
Yeah, I can't really think of any WWII-style Wehrmacht models in the Imperial Guard range. You'd have to go 3rd party for that.

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How does this look as a "slottable" setup for a melee blob? Idea is that the Techmarine might keep the LRC mobile and survive a bit longer while also being a pretty potent support model for melee combat.

>> No.51732004

>>51731956
I'm more concerned by the fluff than the rules. I've weathered bad rules before, but GW is killing the setting I love. Bringing the primarchs back alone is nearly as bad as AoS.

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>>51731316

The Kranoness

She's all glued up and ready, but I'm afraid to paint her because I don't want to fuck it up.

>> No.51732024

>>51732008
she is metal you could put 6 layers of varnish on her and you could still strip it (if youve got enough plastic pistols that have been turned into grey soup after the treatment)

>> No.51732060

>>51732008
Simple Green will strip paint off a mini and leave the plastic unharmed. I dunno how it works with resins though.

>> No.51732061

>>51731994
>in termi armor
>LRC
Isn't the LRC a 14 man raider though?

>> No.51732063

>>51731324
Guess you just have to git gud at painting and fulfill the prophecy.

>> No.51732070

>>51732061
Nah, LRC is the 16-man variant.

>> No.51732095

>>51732070
Oh, alright. I still don't see the point of adding the Termi armor in with a PA squad, since the chaplain won't be able to Sweeping Advance.

>> No.51732109

Is there a formation like the demi battle company for Crusader Squad? I want some love for the Black Templars.

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>>51731794

>> No.51732155

>>51732109
Nope. Closet thing is a formation in Fall of Cadia, but makes you take storm troopers and Celestine.

>> No.51732158

Is a pdf or epub of the fracture of biel tan book up?
Don't want to buy it before trying the book out

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>>51732095
Good point, forgot about that entire thing. Gonna drop it, I guess, should have enough bodies to not always need that 2+.

>>51732109
Only non-CAD Detachments and Formations allowing Crusader squads is the Wrathful Crusade formation from Gathering Storm 1 (which includes new Celestine, some Militarum Tempestus and Greyfax) and the new Castellans of the Imperium detachments, which allows Crusader squads and actually only allows Black Templar characters out of all Space Marine uniques.

Maxed out Crusade is pretty good, since you get Zealot on EVERYTHING and especially get a Zealot Celestine on top of getting to re-roll charges and Furious Charge on a 10"+ charge so basically what Black Templar Chapter Tactics should've had.

Castellans can be fun if combined with LRC dedicated transport, since it has a chance to revive them. Getting free Hatred is also alright.

>> No.51732186

>>51732158
https://mega.nz/#!n5x2FTpZ!KGgIGVpfdAf7FZfCi-z6ZwwYWmVENotGUPF_Hm-EhOg
Here you go, friendo.

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>>51732186
Thanks friend

>> No.51732278

>>51732233
Horrifying, utterly horrifying.

Saved.

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How's this looking as a tournament list?

Not sure what to change about it and what to switch out for some alternatives. Icarus Array/Phosphor Blaster and Plasma instead of Grav are the hottest considerations.

The tourney also has a "most fun to play against" rating that everyone can put their vote in afterwards that directly influences the overall ranking of a player. What are my chances of getting off nicely there, only taking into account the list.

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Any of you anons having difficulty getting your shit painted lately? Been having a lot of trouble getting motivated so show me some of your sexy models thread to get me in the mood. I hate having unpainted models :(

>> No.51732290
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I posted this before as a joke, but I actually need help with it.
There's a WAAC Eldar player at my store who does stupid shit like bring multiple Wraithknights into a 1000-point game. I play FunTau and have for years, so I have no clue how to build a WAAC list or how to use Riptides.

So I'm trying to make the most cancerous Tau list I can think of. Does this look correct? Are the FW Battlesuits worth it? Should I change up the loadout on anything?

>> No.51732319

>>51732290
You'd be happier just not playing against the WAACfag.

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>>51732285
Excuse the crowded desk, but I'm working on my 3rd Venom again tonight. Finished all the highlights and really only need to do the metallics and weapons. On the left you see my Wrack to Haemonculus conversion.

>> No.51732347

>>51731655
>For that matter, did they just make Commissars obsolete because you can now take as many fearless zealots as you please?
Way to be up with the times pall. It has been like that since 5th ed...

>> No.51732361

>>51732319
Maybe he wants the Eldar player to finally know what losing feels like.

>> No.51732363

>>51731316
Necron Obelisks have four little struts on them. I seem to have misplaced them. I should have just fucking put them on when I had the chance, they might be in my bits box, but then we'd have to get into all Praetorians that have Lych Guard bodies and the overly complicated and way too easily broken Ghost Ark and Tomb Blade kits. That's all before we get into painting, which I'm horrible at. All in all I'm never going to have a nice finished collection, I'll always just have a scrap heap's worth of Crons. I've resolved to hire someone to do it by the time I sell my business and have become a millionaire. Anybody have any bright business ideas?

>> No.51732368

>>51732284
Looks pretty decent. Nothing inherently unfun. You might swap a phosphor blaster for a flamer on 1 of the Destroyers. Good luck fellow AdMech bro.

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Hey there tg I got an 1850 tournament coming up and I think I might run this what do you think?

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>>51731420

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>>51731420

>> No.51732395

>>51732004
>hundreds, if not thousands, of schmeckles invested into 1 game system
>literally 1 game system
>not even rumours of upcoming fluff have been posted
>immediate assumption that fluff is going to shit
>with no substantial proof, immediately resorts to purging years' worth of hobby
>with no plans to compensate

Still, it's just as ridiculous.
Unless your entire gaming group is going to likewise dissolve.

>> No.51732422

>>51731861

you're actually retarded.

R&H is one of the strongest armies you can put on the table, and daemons are on of the 3 armies in the game that can run all assaults.

the others being yiffs and GSC

>> No.51732429

>>51732368
Might consider the Flamer, thanks. Could make sense considering I'm planning to send one troop of Kataphrons into the fray to escort the Pseudogenerator Tech-Priest.

Thanks, gonna give my best! Though my biggest challenge is finishing 6 Kataphrons, a Dunecrawler and my second Tech-Priest in time to not have to bring them only primed.

>> No.51732465

>>51731994
The main problem is that Chaplains, Techmarines, Crusader Squads and Land Raiders are all pretty bad. The worst thing, though is that there are no redeeming qualities to the setup.

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>> No.51732502

>>51731372
Doesn't know what it wants to be when it grows up / 10

Honestly not a very good casual list. And not in the sense that it isn't strong (it's a casual list after all). But in the sense that it includes annoying gimmicks (orikan + lychguard, the god shackle conclave) that will cause you to stomp some opponents if they don't have the tools for those gimmicks.

Casual lists shouldn't be designed to make your opponent hate themselves. Take some immortals or ghost arks, or maybe some annihilation barges, and be a nice person!

>> No.51732565

>>51732284
Don't tune down your list to get bonus tournament points, do it to avoid being an ass. I went to a tournament where a guy who cheesed far above what was anticipated still got high scores because he wasn't an ass. On the other hand, I went to a tournament where someone brought a relatively soft list, but people complained endlessly about it. Ask some participants and or the TO if your army is fine.

>> No.51732569

>>51732290
>trying to make the most cancerous Tau list I can think of

6 riptides is a start

>> No.51732586

>>51732569
And the fact that you own that many means youve done this before and deserve to be blasted from existence by distortion cannons

>> No.51732595

>>51732465
Well, Black Templars as a whole have a shitty Chapter Tactic and, trying to keep things fluffy but playable, depend on Crusader squads, Land Raiders and some way to support your melee, so a Chaplain for Zealot. And in the day and age of "my 15 point regular upgrade just turned your Land Raider into a block of metal turn 1" means I need some way to at least keep the damn thing moving that isn't a full Spearhead.

>> No.51732602

>>51732586

Could also mean they have an Apoc army.

>> No.51732604

>>51732422
I don't know about Renegades and Heretics outside of ITC. What is artillery worth against the 3+ Wraithknight list and/or an invisble deathstar?

>> No.51732611

>>51732395
Perhaps. But I'm not going to keep playing a game I don't enjoy anymore, especially if the setting keeps going down hill.
>with no plans to compensate
I guess I could always go outside.

And we've had nothing but rumors for weeks now.

>> No.51732619

>>51732565
I was pretty much just worried about having 6 heavy Grav cannons in the list, since a majority of my meta plays Space Marine variants and even the Ork player has a list consisting entirely of Walkers and bikes and will be vulnerable to it. Hell, even the Tyranid guy uses Warriors and Flyrants.

Though considering I still need to go and pick up another Kataphron squad and ask if the "no Allies" clause in the tournament poster's rules even affects codependent armies like AdMech which would be utterly retarded, I might as well ask what the owner thinks about the list.

>> No.51732645

>>51732569
4 Riptides and 2 R'varnas are no good? I thought the latter would hit harder against vehicles/monstrous/gargantuan.

>>51732586
I only actually own one Riptide and no other Monstrous battlesuits. I like the way it looks and you need one for a Retaliation Cadre or Rapid Insertion Force. I'll be loaning the rest from a friend, he owns too many Tau units including a Manta which he painted like shit.

Like I said, I normally play FunTau which is why I'm not really sure how to field the Riptides. I just don't think gunlines, tank columns, and air spam are going to cut it against WAAC Eldar.

>> No.51732647

>>51732602
No one plays apocalypse, they just talk about someday maybe playing cause it would be cool

>> No.51732654

>>51732645
Different anon here, but from my shallow knowledge of Tau cancer, I'd also recommend picking Riptides in sets of 3 to get as many wings of them as possible.

>> No.51732659

>>51732290
rvarna suck balls. yvahra are great. needs more riptides or more stormsurges

>> No.51732661
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So i'm working on a iron hands army and i'm working towards something like this right now.
Want to try to keep it fluffy and casual.
Any pointers or things i should change about it?
Are 3 Vindicator and 2 thunderfire cannons to much for casual games?
I have heard they can be devastating but haven't really seen them that much in play.


Inquisitorial Representative
Inquisitor Coteaz 100pts

Combined Arms Detachment Iron Hands
HQ
Captain (165pts)
Chapter Relic: The Burning Blade, Storm Bolter, Storm Shield


Elites
Ironclad Dreadnoughts
Drop Pod
Ironclad Dreadnought
Chainfist w/ Heavy Flamer, Powerfist w/ Heavy Flamer


Troops
Tactical Squad 160pts
Razorback w Twin-Linked Assault Cannon
Grav-gun

Troops
Tactical Squad 155pts
Razorback w Twin-Linked Assault Cannon
Meltagun


Heavy Support
Devastator Squad 130pts
4x Plasma Cannon

Thunderfire Cannons 200pts
2x Thunderfire Cannon

Vindicators 360pts
3x Vindicator


Fortification
Aegis Defense Line 50pts

>> No.51732663

>>51732604

Uh, fucking amazing? They can target units they're in combat with so yeah, who gives a fuck? Also good R&H uses allies (though you've asserted that's not common on competitive play) to run Heralds Anarchic and will swing back on your psykers fast and in a hurry.

Don't suppose on a subject you have no fucking clue about. You've consistently demonstrated (I'm going to make the safe assumption you're the guy who suggest Demons, KDK, and R&H aren't competitive but a Decurion is) you know nothing of competitive play.

>> No.51732669

>>51732595
Look man, I'm just giving you the facts. You have 4 bad units, making the Land Raider ObjecSec is certainly nice, but not 240 pts of nice. The characters and the core infantry are likewise overpriced.

When I'm saying that Chaplains are overpriced, that's in their best job. Even when doing the shit they should be great at, where you might think, oh here, they must obviously be great, they are still meh. Same thing goes for the Techmarine, even when in an army with a Land Raider he still won't be worth it. Because most non-shit armies can one turn kill a Land Raider, making him useless.

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>>51732659

Whats wrong with the R'varna other than it probably not being optimized enough for peoples liking?

>> No.51732728

>>51732687
it sucks balls. its worse than a regular riptide

>> No.51732748

>>51732645
4 Riptides is stronk, but r'varnas are considered less optimal for the points cost than standard riptides. y'varhas tend to be pretty good.

That said, r'varnas are practically balanced, but being relatively stationary pie-plate machines doesn't make them particularly fun.

>> No.51732750

>>51732669
I know that the best way to play a fluffy and decent Black Templar army is to not play anything that is fluffy for them. I was trying to make it somehow, in any way, possible to maybe use a Land Raider for once and not make it useless the moment a Tactical squad looks at them.
I've tried to make anything involving Cursader squads and Land Raiders work for the entirety of 7e and am still trying to possibly pull it off. Every single one of those units has deep-sitting problems these days that probably can't fully be fixed at all without extensive reworking of the entire meta and buffing them, I'm just attempting to do some damage control of finding a way to make a LRC Crusader squad usable at all.

>> No.51732755

>>51732728

>its worse than a regular riptide

So not optimized enough for most peoples liking like I thought.

>> No.51732773

>>51732755
It is definitely more specialized, and in this way lacks a bit of flexibility.

>> No.51732774

What will 8th do to unfuck vehicles?

>> No.51732790

>>51732755
its worse than pretty all of the other suits

>> No.51732800

>>51732774
Fuck everything that currently fucks them and nerf MCs to not make them a better unit type across the board.

>> No.51732810

>>51732774
8th is going to follow the AoS model and just not have any rules at all

>> No.51732822

>>51732774
8+ explode
7+ immobilise
6 weapon destroyed
4 and 5 stunned
1,2,3 shaken

>> No.51732827

>>51732800
>Nerf MCs

I think you misspelled

>Nerf Wraithknights and Riptide/Stormsurge variants

>> No.51732840

>>51732822
Or 2,3 shaken and 1 does nothing but you still lose a hull point

>> No.51732882

>>51732822
Also either remove the Immobilize stuff from Graviton entirely or only Immobilize for one turn.

It also shouldn't deal 2 HP damage with its Immo results.

>> No.51732902

>>51732882
Grav should just be removed/nerfed so heavily it isnt used.

>> No.51732907

So I have a dumb question. One of the recent FAQs said that characters cannot take more than one relic. So my Daemon Prince can't take both Gorefather and the Talisman of Burning Blood, right?

>> No.51732917

>>51732663
You've supposed too much, why would it make sense for someone to one moment claim that all Chaos is shit and then the next ask QUESTIONS of whether or not Renegades & Heretics are good outside of ITC? I've mostly familiarised myself with the IA 13 version of R&H, where the shoot at your own guys option is not present.

>> No.51732922

>>51732907
Accurate. Why would you take the Talisman on something that isn't leading a squad in though?

>> No.51732928

>>51732902
They shouldn't nerf it absolutely to death to be unusable or be removed but it should isntead be adjusted to actually fill a very specific role and not be the be-all-and-end-all of Special Weapon options and be as flexible as it is against both infantry and all vehicles and all creature versions with armor.

>> No.51732951

>>51732907
That is correct. It also says so in Warzone: Fenris or the updated codex, under the Khorne Relics list at the top of the page.

>> No.51732964

Best allies for Imperial Guard.

>> No.51732966

>>51732922
Thanks, I've seen a few builds online that had both on one. I just looked up DP rules and realized you can't put him in a squad... I guess I just assumed all HQs were also ICs.

>> No.51732976

>>51732964
More Imperial Guard.

>> No.51732991

>>51732976
Was going to go for Inquisition stuff and maybe Dark Angels for Azreal blob.

>> No.51732997

>>51731324
will you stop reposting this you faggot

>> No.51733007

>>51732964
Space Wolves. T-Wolf Cav + Drop pods.

>> No.51733018
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Do all/most World Eaters have bunny ears or is it mainly the berserkers?

>> No.51733025

>>51733018
I'm pretty sure all World Eaters ARE berserkers at this point.

>> No.51733027

So, I need to fill 250 points for a game against my stores local "that guy". Bringing a Ad mech War convo and I need something to bring along to fill the gaps

>> No.51733028

>>51733018
Only the cute ones have them.

>> No.51733040

>>51733027
Culexus or something else for psychic fuckery?

>> No.51733043

>>51733027
What's the point max? Could try to find a way to add Cawl if you haven't. Cawl + 2 Vanguard squads is "only" 360 points.

>> No.51733045
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51733045

Anyone ever play with/against a Decimator? I'm thinking of picking one up for some firepower.

>> No.51733056

>>51733043
*310 points

>> No.51733057

>>51733043
1850, My War Convo takes 1600 flat.

>> No.51733064

>>51732827
Riptide variants are fine. Baseline riptides need a point adjustment, at a minimum.

How's the stormsurge actually doing? I haven't played a single game against one, but I remember people scoffing at the return on point investment when it was announced. I also know people are quick to leap on the anti-taubots train even when they haven't got a real fucking clue what the hell they're talking about. So how does it *actually* compare to Imperium, Daemon, and Cron models of approx cost?

>> No.51733077
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>>51733045

i really like the model so i got one a few years back, probably used it in ~10 games in a khorne-centric army, then it went on the shelf. its overpriced af and isn't that effective.

>> No.51733081

>>51733064
>but I remember people scoffing at the return on point investment when it was announced.

Remember that people on /tg/ said the Wraithknight was shit when it was released because it had a 3+ save, and would just be shot to death by missiles.

>> No.51733084

>>51733057
If you're not planning on cutting anything out of it, Greyfax could also work as something against Psykers. You can add her in with the new Inquisitor detachment for 150 points. Will fuck over a lot of Psykers, since she always has a higher Psyker level when denying and also hurts anything with Infiltrators, since the Inquisitor detachment allows her to use her Warlord trait of a 24" "no infiltration" aura.

>> No.51733101

>>51733018
Berzerkers only.

>> No.51733112

>>51732477
That kit's so bad. No wonder it came out without much fanfare.

>> No.51733126

>>51733025
Yeah, or just about. But the bunny ears thing is definitely a Berzerker trademark.

>> No.51733127

>>51733112
It's also $130. You could literally buy some aquarium decorations that look better for a fifth of the cost.

>> No.51733133

>>51733112
Worst part is that the rules for the terrain can lead to some fun scenarios.

Guess I could just use some cheap plastic algae for an aquarium to use as an improved proxy.

>> No.51733134 [DELETED] 

>>51732126
A veteran sergeant entering into a challenge with a genestealer patriarch and only being killed by a single wound is worthy of note, right? Like that shouldn't have been a contest but it was only one wound that got through.

>> No.51733140

>>51733077
>not using it as a counts as maulerfiend

Cmon bro

>> No.51733142

Rolled up some lore for me boyz, wanna help me fill the story in?

>Klan or Freeboota? (d10)
4 Propa' Klan

>Pick a color ya git! (d100)
27 Green (da Orkiest)

>We gots an Ork wots lejundery. 'Oo was 'e again? (d10)
2 Warboss/Kaptin

>Aw'roight, now what'd 'e do? (d100)
92 Beat down a planet o' squig. Big n scary it woz...

>Gork or Mork? (d10)
4 Mork

>'ow many boyz we got left? (d10)
7 We gots enuff boyz to 'ave a propa foight!

>'ow big are da boyz boss? (d10)
8 Da boyz be as big as dem regular gits' nobz!

>See dem gits ova dere? Deyz off limits until I sez so. Got it?! (d100)
94 Da puny but shooty blueboyz AND? Da ded killy skullboyz

>See dem gits ova dere? Krump 'em. (d100)
90 Da pointy-hed, pointy-arms, pointy-errythin' emoboyz


>We got lotsa boyz in our klan, but wot've we got more of dan otha klans? (d10)
9 Kommandoz

>Wot's da biggest, most aweshum thing we've eva' looted? (d100)
52 One o' dem 'umie Titans

>Wot did ya do wit it? (d10)
10 (Fank Mork!) We made it orkier, and da boss rides it to battle

>> No.51733163

>>51733142
So, just to be clear, your actual involvement up to this point has been nothing. Why don't you string those into a coherent whole and then ask for help refining it.

>> No.51733173

>>51733142
>looted titan
>kommandos

sounds like you need a Warhound bud

>> No.51733175

>>51733064
It's because it is a GC and not a walker that triggers people. You have a 4 D missiles (firing them normally is fail) and a D shotgun, which means potentially 5 D attacks in 1 turn.
It's also just undercosted for what it does.
t. tau player
on another note, yes tau are OP, and there are lots of autists who play it, but don't hate on the whole faction, which includes normal players just because some autists ran taudar/manta/tau'nar/riptide wing against you.
you have every right to hate those units/formations/players, but leave the balanced part of the codex alone.
I'm all for the nerf to that crap, because I'm not a cunt.

>> No.51733176

>>51733018
Those are called caedere remissum, they were part of pre-heresy World Eaters legion iconography, so only WE would really have them on their helmets, and most WE are berzerkers. There are plenty of khorne berzerkers in the art who do not have those, which I would assume are from other chaos warbands.

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>>51732285
Inb4 sail

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>>51733163
...I just thought it'd be a fun social thing to do.

>> No.51733185

>>51733043
Cawl can be taken with one troop squad as the HQ in an Allied Detachment. No need for a second squad.

But even so, Cawl can be taken instead of the normal Cult Mech HQ in the Battle Congregation component of the War Congregation.

And once joined to the army at all, he adds seven relics to the pool of Potentially Free Wargear, which can even be taken by the Knight.

>> No.51733187

>>51732126
They kind of missed the mark with the "homemade coconut" one though. It's pretty obvious that he meant the muffin with the coconut in it was homemade.

>> No.51733204

>>51733081
I don't recall that being a particularly prevalent sentiment, and the WK did receive some substantial buffs come 7e.

>>51733064
Stormsurge is good, but it's not worth it's own point value in Rapetide Wing good.

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Are Celestine and Greyfax only able to be fielded bound in the Castellans of the Imperium detachment?
Do the space marines in that detachment still get their chapter tactics?

>> No.51733209

>>51733175
>Manta
2000 points of non-jinking mini that can be hit without skyfire by most of the board?

>> No.51733214

is playing Eldar and Genestealer(infiltrated or in outflank) a respectable thing to do?

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>>51733140

already have a ton of them bro. plus it looks like it can't even move 6" a turn

>> No.51733219

>>51733142
>Kaptin
>looted titan
Its a giant pirate-ship on legs

>lotsa Kommandos
Ninja pirates. Main way of krumping gits and other klanz is by making it look like the titan is empty because everyone is real sneaky, wait until the enemy looks around on board and moves their stuff closer, then jump on the enemies in the titan, turn everything back on and stomp everything around it to death and skip the whole "run into battle" part by getting the enemy to come to your doorstep.

>> No.51733222

>>51733209
some people complain that it's op, idk whether it is, I mean is the shit inside it free?

>> No.51733227

>>51733064
It's Tau's only source of D weapons short of an outdated FW flyer or a 2000-point Transport.

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>>51732285
Need to finish all of this and another 3 Kataphrons in just about 2 weeks without having an airbrush. No idea how to pull that off in time.

>> No.51733248

>>51733173
> checks forgeworld
>280 pounds
>shit that's even more in burgars
>350 dollars
Welp, better start saving up.


On a side note if I brought a looted warhound to a game do you think people would allow it?

>> No.51733249

So why aren't beastmen allowed into the Imperial Guard anymore?

>> No.51733253

>>51733142

Blood Axe warband decides to sign up with Tau as mercenaries to counter a Chaos incursion near Tau space. Using a new experimental weapon, the Tau manage to disable a Chaos Warhound titan, but when they move in to recover the god-machine, they find that it's gone, as are their newest Ork allies. A few days later, the Titan reappears, painted in bizzare camouflage colours. To the surprise of the Tau, the Orks insist that they are still happy to fight for them, but "da price is a bit 'igher now ya see? 'Cos we're gonna new sum more gunz for dat big fing...."

>> No.51733266

>>51731277
To respond to another anon asking about Autocannons for IG. I agree that they don't really do much for me. Due to their stats they are very flexible weapons. On paper they are decent at taking off hull points on AV13 or lower and they are good at wounding MCs and they are not that wasteful to shoot at infantry units.

However, they never do much in my games. They may take a hull point here or there, and sometimes they do a wound to a Monstrous Creature, but the wounds are usually saved. Lasguns and Punishers usually end up doing the most to MCs in my games. The reason I take Autocannons is to put in the Infantry Blobs because they are rarely wasted there and make sure the unit is almost never out of targets. I prefer Multi-lasers personally, but those only come on Chimeras and Sentinels. If an Infantry blob could take a Multi-laser I would be ecstatic.

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>>51733206
There's this important bit of info, aside from the Triumverate detachment itself. And yes, they get chapter tactics.

>> No.51733275

>>51733249
They're dirty, abhuman scum. At least ratlings and ogryns don't have horns (horns being a clear sign of chaos influence).

>> No.51733293

>>51733248
If they aren't assholes and it's not some tournament then they should, especially if it fits your fluff and army design.
Orks need all the help they can get. Being a rules lawyering ass against them is a douche move if the ork player put in as much effort as buying and kustomizing a titan.

>> No.51733304

>>51733227
>outdated FW flyer
Hahaha, guess what, it's getting a refresh
Time for the tigershark AX-4-2
BS4 AV12/12/10 HP8
Superheavy flyer
Attack Flyer
Strafing run
Supersonic
Pur:4
Agi:2
1 Networked markerlight
1 Twin linked Heavy railgun
2 burst cannons
1 twin linked missile pod
Up to 8 seekers (8 points per seeker)
new points cost: 450
you know that FW/GW have a tau boner, just wait for it to come out

>> No.51733316

>>51733209
>non-jinking
It has an always-on 4++ invulnerable save and can't take Disruption Pods anyways, so that's irrelevant.

>can be hit without skyfire by most of the board
At 13 Front Armor and 30 fucking Hull Points on a Super-Heavy, let them waste their shots.

>>51733222
>I mean is the shit inside it free?
Absolutely not.

>> No.51733324

Speaking of the Castellans of the Imperium detachment, what happens if you take space marines using the Carcharadons' chapter tactics?
They count as Desperate Allies as part of their rules, but in that detachment they aren't allies at all.

>> No.51733325

Anyone have a link to the gathering storm codex? its not in the OP links.

>> No.51733332

>>51733269
Oh, thank you

>> No.51733341
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>>51733222
>Is the shit inside of it free?
Oh god, if only. You'd see so many fucking Mantas. No, it's 2000 points of empty transport with like 12 guns. It's one of the only 40k models in existence where some of the guns can't even reach the other end of the model.

>>51733304
Tigershark is getting an update in Fires of Cyraxus, that is true.

>> No.51733344

>>51733018
>>51733176
I should add that as far as modelling for your army goes: while it is true that only World Eaters wear caedere remissum, that doesn't mean you can't have zerkers with those helmets in your chaos force. The Crimson Slaughter have a warband of ex-World Eaters who joined up who still wear their caedere remissum.

>> No.51733348

>>51733185
I assumed he wouldn't want to slot out the Tech-Priest, as that one can be better than Cawl, since you can customize with relics for free.

And the Knight can't take relics. Only Knight Characters can, which they only are as part of their formations.

>> No.51733350

>>51732663
Look at the SoV version. That's where all the cheese is.

>> No.51733363

>>51733350
Meant for
>>51732917

>> No.51733365

>>51733316
So it is op?
>>51733324
Wait, does castellans of the imperium allow for IG, could you take a FW army like dkok in it?
>>51733341
yeah but don't you get like a fuckton of seekers as well? Can the manta hold riptides?

>> No.51733372

>>51733325
https://mega.nz/#!RBlDHBwJ!dzZZqU_71Cd_xDQZBF84nlFLrD1Qsyp6gZ0JqZPQxk8

https://mega.nz/#!n5x2FTpZ!KGgIGVpfdAf7FZfCi-z6ZwwYWmVENotGUPF_Hm-EhOg

>> No.51733373

>>51733275
Isn't it kind of self-feeding if the Imperium attacks them because they think they're Chaos affiliated, which makes them join Chaos for protection?

>> No.51733379

>>51733365
Mantas are the biggest case of DISTRACTION CARNIFEX to ever be created. They are only OP if people pay them enough attention.

>> No.51733385

>>51733325
It's in the Rho-Mu one (the first Rules Mega). It's under Dataslates and Supplements, in its own folder.

>> No.51733386

>>51733365
No you can't take DKOK. They give you a list of what you can take.

>> No.51733391

Can an allied detachment take a LOW?
Will FW ever release formations/errata on what units can be used in GW formations?

>> No.51733398

>>51733341
Fires of Cyraxus when?

Is FW waiting for 8th edition before releasing it?

>> No.51733399

>>51733341
>with like 12 guns
2x D-strength Railguns
16x Long Burst Cannons
3x Long Ion Cannons
10x One-Use Seeker Missiles
A singular Missile Pod (???)
Also a single networked Markerlight (?????)

The real question is why they only included one missile pod and a single fucking markerlight on their battleship.

>>51733365
>So it is op?
It's a 2000-point unit so it's obviously strong, but it's severely overcosted and it's a fucking transport unit.

>Can the manta hold riptides?
lmao no, it can only hold eight (8) Crisis Suits.

>> No.51733403

>>51733365
>could you take a FW army like dkok in it?
Not as far as I know. The difference is that even Carcharadon/Red Scorpion/Mantis Warrior models/units are still taken from Codex: Astra Militarum, you're simply using difference chapter tactics. FW's IG variants are from entirely different books altogether. In other words, I'm still taking a "Space Marine Tactical Squad" from Codex: Space Marines, which is allowed by the Castellans rules, but it doesn't say I can take a "Death Korps of Kriege Infantry Platoon," so I can't take it.

RAW I don't think it's allowed, but in casual play I'd sure as hell allow it.

>> No.51733404

>>51733398
probs waiting for gathering storm to release the third(last one?) book, then wait a week at least so that people are ready to spend money again.

>> No.51733405

do you guys use any other 28mm minis as proxies? I use the Warzone Mutant Chronicles minis for my conscript blob
for casual matches of course, I doubt I could get away with it in tournaments

>> No.51733429

>>51733142
>we looted a titan
>then we made it orky

I love it

>> No.51733436

>>51731595

Thank you based god

>> No.51733440

>>51733403
would you allow elysians instead of dkok?

>> No.51733443

>>51733373
No one has ever accused the Imperium of being intelligent.
In meta terms, the IG allowed horned beastmen back in Rogue Trader, but in a White Dwarf introducing Abhuman Doctrines back when Doctrines were a thing, they allowed non-horned beastmen. The reasoning presented was that non-horned beastmen are "stable" enough abhumans to be treated like second (or third) class citizens, much like other abhumans. However, it specifically said beastmen with horns weren't allowed to join (and are probably killed on sight) because of the chaos reasoning I mentioned earlier.

That was the last time they were mentioned, as far as I know.
And that was late 3e/early 4e.

>> No.51733446

>>51733404
>probs waiting for gathering storm to release the third(last one?) book
Pretty sure GW confirmed it as the last one, yeah.

It doesn't look like they're waiting until TGS is over and done with before releasing any new, expensive books though, since that they announced on Warhammer Community that Inferno's going up for sale on Friday.

>> No.51733452

>>51733440
I would love to play against Elysians.

>> No.51733469

>>51733385
Which is the one with all the ePubs. I can only find the PDFs.

>> No.51733474

>>51733452
oh god, I feel like your entire list is just hydras or some other anti-air and that I'll get tabled turn 2.
I mean, I play d-99 so I have like 3-6 infantry squads and everything else is flyers out the ass basically, not really fun to go against, at least in tourneys. I play normal elysians in casual games, where I use non cheese to win, though 3 130 point vendettas are scary.
Also going to pick up the 435 point FW knight with the D gun and the vortex gun, see how that works as a heavy distraction carnifex at 2000 points

>> No.51733494

>>51733142
Oops, noticed a typo
>Aw'roight, now what'd 'e do? (d100)
92 Beat down a planet o' some new kind o' squig. Big n scary it woz...

>> No.51733495

>>51731906
Didn't they manage to retcon it in 6th to just UM successors?

The problem is when writers aren't made to reign anything in before it's printed then damage control becomes the best they can do once shit is out there.

>> No.51733499

>>51733446
>inferno
Sorry for being
>ignorantfag
what is inferno?

>> No.51733506
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51733506

>>51733474
I play Sisters; I don't have any AA weapons. I just love lesser-seen armies like the Elysians.

I only asked about the Carcharadons for hypothetical reasons. I don't actually have plans to use them.

>D-99
See pic related.

>> No.51733509

>>51733365
Technically, I don't think it can hold riptides until it gets revised in IA14 (I heard an insider say they were dropping the IA numbering system. I hope it's not true because it's gonna get confusing real quick using the abbreviation FoC, especially for AdMech players).
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/codices/tau/profiles#TOC-Manta
Upper deck may transport 55 infantry (any class) models.

>>51733399
It can carry way more than that. In addition to the upper deck, the lower deck may carry 145 models, with a maximum of up to eight Crisis suits or up to 4 Hammer/Sky/Devils (at 30 models each).

It's got the room for riptides, (Lower deck has the physical space for an entire Tigershark to fit in it, 6:35 https://youtu.be/QwvlosMaqAE?t=6m35s) but since they aren't infantry and they aren't vehichles, they can't board.

>> No.51733512

>>51733495
I wouldn't be surprised, there was quite a bit of anti-Ward damage control in 6th edition. It makes sense for at least some UM successors to have Ultra-envy though, just not fucking Iron Hands or something.

>> No.51733529

>>51733499
The next Horus Heresy rulebook.

>> No.51733530

>>51733499
Horus Heresy Book 7: Inferno

Has rules for Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Talons of the Emperor (Custodes and Sisters of Silence), and Titan Legion Skitarii (as in, the guys who guard a titan's feet).
All usable in games of Warhammer 30,000: The Horus Heresy.

>> No.51733532
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51733532

>tfw you will never be able to play something this stupidly fun

Feels bad, boys.

>> No.51733534
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51733534

So /tg/, what do you think of these colors for Eldar? For all my Eldar, I used DA Green for helmets, Bubonic Brown for face masks, and Elf Flesh or whatever it is for the rest of the armor

>> No.51733546

>>51731578
>>51731593
"thicc" has to be the shittiest, niggerest garbage meme to come out of the last 3 years of normie culture.

It's called "fat" and its pig disgusting.

>> No.51733550

>>51733385
What is this Rho-Mu link you are talking about? The 2 link in the OP doesn't look like it had any new folder.

>> No.51733554

>>51732008
If it lessens the painting anxiety your combi-plasma looks like shit. Any paint at all would be an improvement.

>> No.51733558

>>51733469
Wait, so are you looking for an epubs or PDF?

If you want an epub for FoC, Rho-Mu has it in that format. I don't know where to find a PDF version.

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>>51733534

>> No.51733574

>>51733222
The shit inside is free....kits when you buy the model. So if you buy a Manta you get the kits for 8 crisis suits and 4 hammerheads (and a bunch of sitting Firewarriors). But you still gotta pay the points cost on top of the manta each game.

>> No.51733577

So I start painting my Harlequin Army for Escalation tomorrow. I'm planning on using the Ynnari formation for them and just throwing in Yvraine and maybe the Visarch. I'm trying to come up with a color scheme. I was thinking of calling them The Masque of the Red Death and doing red and white. Thoughts?

>> No.51733578

>>51733550
The first of the two links under the "Rules and such" heading, here: https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg

>> No.51733581

>>51733443
What other stupid things has the Imperium done?

>> No.51733585

>>51733546
Notice how all the nigger memes are mispelled words. Oh the irony.

>> No.51733588

>>51733506
that gif
>kek
I legit have never seen another elysian/d-99 player on this board.
I also haven't seen a dkok player (though I may have forgotten) on here either.
In real life I've also never seen any FW army except for a guy who blew $1200 kangaroobucks on a FW HH Ultramarines army with girlyman, and he got stomped by a death guard army with morty in a game I watched in my local GW (was hilarious, he conceded turn 3).
So yeah, I feel kind of lonely playing d-99, love stomping the cheldar player at my store with PE: eldar
>>51733529
>>51733530
Yeah but that's HH, some people only play that and no 40k, so IA14 will come out later. Plus even if they didn't care about TGS in reference to Inferno, releasing 2 books so close cuts sales, as I mentioned earlier.

>> No.51733599

>>51733574
I was talking about points, not money, but that's pretty cools, except for sitting fw, they look shit/useless.

>> No.51733607

What's the deal with the fat Celestine meme? Is it just because they remembered that she's actually meant to be wearing armour, not a skintight bodysuit and corset?

>> No.51733616

So whats the concensus on the Ynnead and the aeldari triumvirate from a balance perspective? They seem decent enough powerwise. The fact the yncarne says model and not unit for his regen wounds thing is potentially abusable. Thoughts /tg/?

And what about fluff? I mean other then them getting Best Girl for the setting?

>> No.51733621

>>51733581
Today, or in general?

Let's start with the Ecclesiarchy and work our way from there.

Being pants-on-head retarded is kind of the Imperium's thing.

>> No.51733622

>>51733506
>I don't have AA weapons

Come to think of it, would it be decent to add the Triumvirate to a Sisters list to use Celestine and also have access to the AdMech relic that lets you get Skyfire for a turn?

>> No.51733623

>>51733558
I am actually looking for the epub of the eldar codex, I have the epub for dark eldar, harliequins and gathering storm.

>> No.51733627

>>51733607
Eh, it's a dumb trigger argument.
Anon 1: I think she looks fat!
Anon 2: I think she looks normal!
Both: Well, you have shit fucking taste!

>> No.51733628

>>51733607
It's several things
1. "NEW SOB MODELS" autism
2. "THICC AF" autism (though I wanna be dommed by her)
3. "MUH SJW FEMINISM" autism
4. "GAY PRIDE" autism (rainbow painted celestine)

>> No.51733629

>>51732371
Scratch the hydras for more wyverns

>> No.51733639

>>51733622
idk anything about imperial armies outside of dw/ig/assassins.

>> No.51733641

>>51733622
Fuck that. Take the Castellans force-org chart and use it to bring 6 Exorcists.
That's a lot of dakka.

>> No.51733642

>>51733623
Ohhh. I found a Craftworlds codex torrent that had pdf, epub, and mobi versions all in one. Just look on torrentz2.eu or something.

>> No.51733643

Are Iyanden and Craftworlds considered the same faction? I want to take an Iyanden CAD with an Aspect Host, and I want to know if I can buy a Falcon in the CAD for my Fire Dragons to cruise in.

>> No.51733648

>>51733607
I just assumed it was cause the model is sticking her bum out in her pose

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>>51733628
Whats wrong with gay pride paint jobs?

>> No.51733669

>>51733621
Everything stupid they do, primarily stuff that makes things worse for them.

>> No.51733670
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>>51733142
You'z gitz are uh klan dat iz an offshoot oh da Blood Axes. Dem blue gitz give gubbinz to youz fer not foightin' dem an' foightin' stuff dey want ya to foight (why any'un'd turn down uh perfectly gud foight is odd, but iz free loot so 'oo kares). One toim da boss got in a roight proppa scrap wiff one oh dem zog off 'uge insect fings and won, taking its 'ead as a trophy fer 'is bosspole. Fanks to yer boss' taktical finkin' a lot of your boyz survive da various scraps ya get in, wiff quite a few getting as big as regular klanz' nobz; probably fer preffering the brutal kunnin' oh Mork. At one point da blue gitz payed da boyz to go krump sum o' da 'umies, and as if it was a blessin' from Mork 'Imself your kommandos wuz able to steal one o' dem titans. You'z wuz able to 'ave your meks make it all noice an' orky an' da boss rides it to battle. Speakin' o' kommandos, da klan really loiks ta get in all sneaky loik an' use taktiks an' wutnot. Unfortunately dem spoiky Elfdar loik tah mess up yer plannin' an' its started tah really annoy da boss an' 'is boyz.

>> No.51733683

>>51733627
Ah, standard skub.

>> No.51733693

>>51733578
And there're no Gathering Storm 2 there. Anon who's in charge of the mega are fucking dead.

Thanks fuck i already import everything in old mega into mine.

>> No.51733697

>>51733668
>gay pride
With Eldar it's just called pride.

>> No.51733699

I want harlequins to ally with my deldar.
How should I start?

>> No.51733706

>>51733699
I think their respective codexes are in the OP post

>> No.51733711

>>51733699
With the models you like most. Gathering storm 2 can let you mix and match freely now

>> No.51733713

>>5173353
9/10 troll

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>>51733693
I mean, if you've got an actively maintained mega I'll put it in the next OP I make.

>> No.51733729

>>51733693
Yeah, no GS2 in that Mega.

Someone else posted this link for an epub though: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4on5aol8pllgsu/gathering-storm-fracture-of-beil-tan.epub?dl=0

>> No.51733730

>>51733532
I love the idea of footslogging across the board with a sea of power armor. Easier with knornate marines because they can take cultist meat shields.

I still can't believe GW hasn't given the Black Templars a formation that works with crusader squads.

>> No.51733733

>>51733142
Where did you roll that?
Is there a chart for custom AdMech because I really need a starting point for my fluff.

>> No.51733737

What would be a good Chapter Tactics to use for a boar-themed space marine force? Boars were occasionally used in medieval heraldry (Richard III comes to mind) since wild boars are so damn tough and dangerous. I want to run a SM chapter like that.
I'm looking for something knightly, but also aggressive with an emphasis on solo combat and heroic exploits. Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves all seem to fit the bill pretty well, but I could see it working with FW's Mantis Warrior tactics (with them as hunters) as well.

What do you think?
Ideas for non-silly sounding names also appreciated, as are colour schemes

>> No.51733745

>>51733729
I was actually hoping for the craftworld eldar epub to go with it.

>> No.51733750

>>51733730
Closest we'll probably get is Castellans. 5+ respawning blobs and landraiders is pretty good though

>> No.51733754

>>51733733
rolled it here:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Ork_Klan_Creation_Tables

There is indeed one for Skitarii
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Skitarii_Army_Creation_Table

>> No.51733757

>>51733730

It's fucking bullshit is what it is. I recently got into 40k and fucking love Templars and good mechanics. Fuck me right?

#CodexTemplars8thEd

>> No.51733760

>>51733730
They have in Fall of Cadia. Was posted earlier, gives everything Zealot when maxed (at around 1500 at that point), let's you reroll charges and gives Furious Charge at 10"+.

Downside is that it requires Celestine, Greyfax and Stormtroopers on top of a Captain, so no way to pick that for small BT armies.

>> No.51733765

>>51733737
Minotaurs, maybe?

Space wolves could work if you want them to be taking literal boars along with them

>> No.51733766

>>51733706
>>51733711
How do I use troupes? The weapon upgrades are confusing to me.
Wanted 6 in their transport

>> No.51733769

>>51733668
GAAAAYYYY~~~~

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>>51733737
Oh, and White Scars (bikes = knights) is another option.
And I forgot muh pic.

>> No.51733783

Are there Space Marines besides Salamanders that are black?

>> No.51733805

>>51733783
Space marines can change their skin color at will. Salamanders are just stuck like that.

>> No.51733808

>>51733754
Thanks buddy.

That table has some serious bullshit, but it'll do as a starting point. Gonna roll for the relevant things and post for feedback.

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>>51733783

>> No.51733810

>>51733783
Iron Hands, Black Templars, Consecrators, original Dark Angels, Raven Guard...

>> No.51733821

>>51733783
Celestial Lions. They're actually African-black though, unlike Sallies.

>> No.51733826

>>51733668
>aeldari 'people'

>> No.51733830

>>51733810
Skin colour, not armour colour.

>> No.51733849

i like how we have no tripshits here

>> No.51733850

>>51733777
Looks like he's got a straw sticking out of a ballsack.

>> No.51733857

>>51733765
I do like aspects of the Space Wolves, but the Blood Claws (and variants) rub me the wrong way for this theme.
Being able to run "vetarans" and terminators with a huge variety of weapons is just great, as is the option to take wolves (which I would fluff as hunting dogs; knights kill boars, they don't make friends with them).
Then again, Wolf Guard CAN take bikes...

>> No.51733870

>>51733717
It's hard anon, my link grabbing skill is way too slow to keep up with new release, the anon who in charge of the taken-down mega was very fast tho.

>>51733729
Anon, I'm the one who posted this
>>51733372 These link was in /40kg/ for past few days.

Still have no link for new White Dwarf Feb tho

>> No.51733876
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51733876

Hows this look WE list look for fighting Tau? Plan is crash the Lord and Spawn into lines early with a mutliassault and smash the DP into their Riptide if possible. Turn two drop the Raptors on their Broadsides and lock them up in melee/kill with melta. Turn three at the latest the Bezerkers kill whatever has managed to get away.

>> No.51733904

>>51733766
If I were to make a DE/harlequin army, I would make something like

Webway portal armor of misery archon, lvl 2 shadow seer with mask of secrets, lvl 2 shadow seer, and either medusa or blaster wielding truborne all in a raider.

They drop down and everything with in 6" of the raider gets -4ld and everything in 12" gets -2ld. Raiders are actually about 7inch long so this is a bigger area then it sounds. Unload one shadowseer and the medusa/truborne, Then use psychic shriek to decimate, at -4ld they are looking to do 5 or 6 wounds to 10ld unites. Medusa put down a bunch of s4 ap3 templates or truborne to blow up a vehicle. You can hopefully soulburst for more damage.

I would add two troupes, with 6players all with caresses in starweavers. Also add a grotesquerie for some tough hard hitting grotesques that also -1ld to everything within 12".

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51733905

Hey guys,

What is your favourite 40k character? Mine is Kharn, although I play Necrons.

This is my Kharn that I painted for a painting comp. It didn't win, but it's my favourite model so far.

>> No.51733906

>>51733849
You'll only really find trips in RP threads and the like.

>> No.51733940
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>>51733643
yes, so you can do that.

>>51733616
i'm a bit divided on fluff since my eldar are biel-tan and now we got this zealot with a new god causing a mess but there is new hope for the eldar. the visarch looks amazing and the others look good. soulburst is probably broken. another shooting or movement has huge possibilities.

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51733955

>>51733905
>Ripped open a drop pod and killed the marines inside

>> No.51733959

>>51733955
Why were marines hanging out in a sealed drop pod?

>> No.51733960
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51733960

I'm thinking about getting into 40k with chaos space marines and I like the idea of lascannons. I was thinking I could make a warband that specialized in laser weaponry, maybe they broke into an armory somewhere.

If I'm reading this right I could take iron warriors which lets me have obliterator troops (who shoot lascannons), lascannon havoc spam, and I could model cultists to have lasguns instead of autoguns since they have the same stats anyway. Also lasboat predators and helbrute with TL-lascannon.

On a scale of ass to 10 how viable is this idea competitive-wise? I don't want to be some master tournament player but I would like to at least not lose every game.

>> No.51733964

>WHFB took place within the Eye of Terror
>Sigmar was a lost primarch
Nothing will ever convince me otherwise.

>> No.51733971

>>51733534
looks like mud

>> No.51733987

>>51733905
Cypher, because his character was written (at least in his original lore) as Clint Eastwood's character from High Plains Drifter in power armour, and I'm a sucker for mysteries.

>>51733955
Hey, look, it's Grimgor with guns.

>> No.51733992

>>51733960
You'd do better than the Thousand Sons.

>> No.51733999

>>51733959
It was malfunctioning (Somehow...)

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>>51733905

>> No.51734012

>>51733876
Seems like a decent plan. You may want to save one squad of raptors to lock down the Riptide for a bit if possible, just so the DP can get locked in with it. Granted, they won't do much in return without a power axe, but it'll take about 2 turns to chew through them.

>> No.51734042

>>51733805
Raven guard and their successors can't change their skin tone at will either. They're perma-stuck as being pasty white albinos.

>> No.51734068

>>51733668
late reply from guy who made the list you replied to.
People had a fit over gay pride celestine, I thought it looked ok-ish, it was an average paint job, I have no personal qualms with it

>> No.51734088
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>>51731636
>duncan will never be your valentine

>> No.51734119

>>51734088
>tfw your Valentine will never be as thin as his coats
Having low standards sucks.

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>>51733905

>> No.51734185

>Valentine's Day painting video
>Laughed at the opening joke and the poem
He is too pure for this hobby.

>> No.51734194
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>>51733905
Captain Agemman.

He's got big shoes to fill (Captain Invictus died like a hero with all of the first company), has to deal with an overambitious shitstain jockeying for personal glory (Sicarius), AND doesn't have main character plot armour and gets fucked up by daemons to the point he has space marine level PTSD (with Calgar being the only one who will personally vouch for his ability, while everyone else wants the codger removed from command)

>> No.51734211

>>51733616
>best girl

They get two of them, my dude:

Lelith and Yvraine

>> No.51734233

>>51733905
is this fluff wise or on the table
fluff it's Inquisitor-Lord Varius: bloke it fucking tight and made the best non space marine humans.
on the table it's Ordo Xenos Inquisitor Solomon Lok, toasty bloke who doesn't fit into his army at all, but dump him into an allied detachment and he can make a squad much more annoying

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>>51734233
Lok's probably the best inquisitor model GW's ever made.

He's also got the best servo skull.

>> No.51734319

>>51734233
>bloke it fucking tight
>toasty bloke

i have no idea what this means but i'm guessing he likes it

>> No.51734345

I think I figured out the problem you guys are having with condensing the armies into four codexes. You need five.

>Imperium
Space Marines, SoB, IG, AdMech,

>Chaos
Space Marines, Daemons, LotD, (Dark Admech, Traitor Guard)

>Alien
Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Dino Eldar (/Kroot), Taudar, Necrons

>Tyranids
Fukken Tyranids

>Orks
Goff, Bad Moonz, Evil Suns, Deth Skulls, Snakebites, Blood Axes

Honestly, I'm not sure Chaos really needs their own codex since they're just Imperium+Daemons, which the Imperium have now.

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>>51734345
>Expanding on the Ork klans
A thousand time yes!

>> No.51734386

>>51734345
Alien should just be some other name. Because it doesnt encompass all the xeno factions just the "good" ones

>> No.51734404

>>51734345
>Necrons lumped in with Eldar
No.

>> No.51734406

>>51731848
>competitive chaos
>no death guard

>> No.51734408

>>51732285
Yes.
Why I chose Guard, I don't know. I hate painting these old as shit sculpts.

NEW TROOPER MODELS FUCKING WHEN

>> No.51734446

>>51734345
>Imperium (All main imperium armies)
>Chaos (All Chaos)
>Xenos (All Eldar, Tau)
>Destruction (Orks, Nids, Necrons)

There, four main factions

>> No.51734485

>>51734278
>GW, kek
FW made him, didn't he?
>>51734319
come on mate, what drongo can't speak fucking strayan.
>>51734446
problem is, tau and crons are AOC, so that means that tau are somehow related to crons, also farsight is going to do something.

>> No.51734492

>>51734485
sorry bro but i'm american

>> No.51734505

Do orks bleed red or green?

>> No.51734506
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>>51733227

>It's Tau's only source of D weapons short of an outdated FW flyer or a 2000-point Transport.

faggot detected

>> No.51734513

>>51734485
AOC doesn't mean anything, because both Necrons and Orks are AOC with Chaos..

>> No.51734517

>>51734485
>FW made him
FW is GW, mate.

>> No.51734526

>>51734505
Red

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r8

>> No.51734552

>>51733227
>It's Tau's only source of D weapons
Can't markerlights turn missiles into D weapons?

>> No.51734564

>>51734552
Only Destroyer Missiles. Not Seeker Missiles or Missile Pods or any other kind of Missile.
And only Stormsurges carry Destroyer Missiles. Which, despite their name, aren't Strength D without a Markerlight.

>> No.51734572

Friend of mine getting into eldar. Cloudstrike rule on Falcons say if they are a squadron of 3, they can deep strike. He wants to take three squads of fire dragons and cloudstrike them.

This doesn't work right? I'm pretty sure that doesn't work. Unless we were playing apocalypse and he used the formation for it I think?

>> No.51734590

>>51733754
>Got War Conclave
That's not even a thing, what the hell 1d4?

>> No.51734593

How do I cheese with AdMech under War Convocation point levels or without a Knight?

Basically, what cheese can AdMech pull off without a WarConvo?

>> No.51734600

>>51734593
WarConvo isn't even that much of a problem with the removal of the taxi service.

>> No.51734613

>>51734572
it's perfectly legit and not a formation; it's also not the most powerful thing in the book

>> No.51734618

>>51734517
ik, but he's resin and I count them as separate since in Aus, some GW stores ban FW since they're cucks.

>> No.51734678

>>51734613
But how do you get dedicated transports into a squadron with each other so they fulfill the requirements? Wouldn't you be able to combine scout troop dedicated transports with non-scout transports and outflank all 3 if you could do that? You can't embark reserves before or during the game either as far as I know.

"Not the most powerful thing in the book" isn't saying much either. I would still lose hundreds of points worth of vehicles turn 2.

Cloudstrike is both a special rule on Falcons and an apoc formation, according to the rules wiki, which got in the way when I tried googling this.

>> No.51734700

>>51734678
You can start embarked on a reserved transport, otherwise flying transports wouldn't work.

>> No.51734741

Scout Sentinels. I loved using them in DoW. How are they on the table?

>> No.51734753

>>51734741
better than standard, outflank with a heavy flamer/multilaser against armies that aren't tau/eldar/sm and enjoy.

>> No.51734766

Where should I start with a tournament worthy Space Wolves list?

>> No.51734771

>>51734753
I play against Necrons and Tyranids.

I'm not really keen on Tanks or Artillery... I mean, I guess I could run a Leman Russ, but I'd rather have some Scout Sentinels instead of a Wyvern. Are Scout Sentinels good alongside Veterans that don't take the grenadier upgrade, or would they support large platoons better?

>> No.51734775

>>51734766
You can start by getting into a better army

>> No.51734783

>>51734766
a White Scars primary detachment

>> No.51734793

>>51734766
>TWC
>Wulfen

beyond that, check out some of the formations

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>>51734678
here's the page you'll need to read. it is odd to see a formation the same name as a special rule, i guess gw forgot about the apoc formation

>> No.51734817

>>51734793
Voidclaw detachment is what I think I'm gonna go with, but other than twc and wulfen I don't know what else to fill it up cause I'm still pretty new to the competitive part. I'm probably going to end up throwing in a stormwolf and leviathan dread somewhere in there to deal with an armor heavy list.

>> No.51734825

>>51734771
You can get 6 renegade sentinels with heavy flamers for 120 points but they're not very competitive as a choice anywhere.

>> No.51734866

>>51734771
Tyranids aren't going to give much of a shit against sentinels, but they can be useful against crons by outflanking into rear armor. Armored sentinels can be good as well, as warriors can't damage them in CC.

>> No.51734881

>>51734700
Like in imperial agents? Because those don't work. Flyers as dedicated transports obviously still work.

I didn't see anything on embarking in reserve when I looked over it after my friend asked me, and I still don't now. As far as I know It has always been that if a unit can't start on a dedicated transport then you need to deploy them on the field and spend turn 1 embarking.

>>51734812
What I am saying is the problem there is that it requires the three to be in a squadron together to cloudstrike. So you either need to have a way to put dedicated transports into a squadron, or a way to put units onto a vehicle in reserve/pregame, or play apocalypse. If either of the first two are possible, I have spent half an hour trying to find it and found no mention of it, and previous experience and time spent discussing getting SoB units into flyers and assault transports tells me you can't do it (though faction was an additional obstacle there).

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>>51734825
>>51734866
My two friends have a tendency to just play units they like, so I'm trying to do the same. I don't think the Necron player actually has any Ghost Arks yet, so I dunno if I even want to run the meltas.

This list is probably pretty schizo.

>> No.51734953

>>51734881
That's only for transports from separate factions.

During deployment, when deciding which units are kept as Reserves, you must specify if
any of the Independent Characters in Reserve are joining a unit, in which case they must
arrive together. Similarly, you must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon
any Transport vehicles in Reserve, in which case they will arrive together. In either case,
when making a Reserve Roll (see below) for a combined unit, roll a single dice for the
unit and/or its Independent Character/Transport vehicle.

Is the relevant rules text.

>> No.51734954

>>51734741
OUTFLANK is your best friend. They cannot be shot until turn 2, at which point they automatically get the Side or Rear of enemy armour depending on how far forward they are.

3 Scout sentinels armed with auto-cannons can instantly destroy a Leman Russ simply by slamming it's squishy rear armour with massed S7 shots. And the Leman russ is vastly more expensive than the 3 scout sentinels.

>> No.51734960

>>51734881
actually you just take a single heavy support slot in a CAD. while it's true that's it's not a dedicated transport while in CAD (possibly formation of aspect warhost for bs5 on the fire dragons) you can put any unit in a vehicle.

this is like putting elite terminators in a landraider bought from heavy support

>> No.51734968

>>51734884
I'd give the onager an icarus array, just a better choice and the more take all comers option

>> No.51734973

>>51734968
I'd have to drop a few points to afford that, but I could do it. Maybe the Vox Casters?

>> No.51734987

>>51734884
I'd use autocannons over heavy flamers on the sentinels and put the flamers on the chimera. The chimera will be going forward anyway and this lets you keep scout sentinels safer.

>> No.51734992

>>51734954
Is it viable by way of the new Renegades formation that allows your dead infantry squads to return outflanking on a 2+?

>> No.51735021

>>51734987
Good idea.

On all 3 Chimeras, you think? Should I even keep the meltas if nobody in my group really runs vehicles?

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>>51733532
Dont know what you are talking about, I get to run my dream list whenever I feel like playing.

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>>51735039
>>51735039
>>51735039

>> No.51735051

>>51735021
You can only fire both weapons, so you might as well. You can swap to two plasma if the melta aren't going to be useful and fire those from the chimera.

>> No.51735067

>>51735051
>>51735021
Only fire both weapons if you stay stationary*

>> No.51735069

>>51734953
Well shit, I guess when I saw that I just assumed it was referring to dedicated transports.

>> No.51735087

>>51735067
IIRC you can fire both if you only move combat speed.

>> No.51735107

>>51735087
Nope only one for combat speed. It's stupid but what can you do.

>> No.51735116

>>51735051
>>51735067
I think I want to give an Icarus Array to the Dunecrawler, but I'm not sure where to cut points to afford it and stay at 1000.

>> No.51735128

>>51735116
Actually, that makes it Skyfire, and I /think/ the only flying unit any of us own is the 'Nid guy's Flyrant.

>> No.51735134

>>51735116
Maybe go with the twinlinked phosphor blaster instead? It's cheaper but you still get 3 S6 twinlinked shots with lumigen.

>> No.51735145

>>51735134
I could do that, and drop the Vox-Casters. I don't really think I'll need them.

>> No.51735148

>>51735128
Skyfire can hit skimmers too.

>> No.51735223

>>51735087
>>51735087
You can fire one weapon normally at combat speed and fire all others as snap shots. You can't fire certain weapons as snap shots though, which could restrict you. Templates and blasts cannot be snap shot.

If you go cruising speed you can still fire, but everything is a snap shot.

>> No.51735247

>>51735223
I'm aware of how snapshots work. I was just thinking about heavy vehicles instead of what vehicles in general could move and shoot.

>> No.51735299

>>51733960
You want Death Guard for relentless.

>> No.51735331

>>51734550
Fine for casual play with non-powergaming friends. Will get stomped against anything slightly competitive.

>> No.51735390

>>51734593
I like to run a white scars librarius conclave with my admech. The hunters eye and prescience on a group of 6 kataphron destroyers deletes a lot of stuff. It also lets me fish for misfortune for my vanguard 6s being two ap 2 wounds is great.

>> No.51736593

>>51731989
Armageddon Steel legion?

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