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Fuck I fucking love Necrons! Necron appreciation thread.

>> No.51528291

>>51528273
Get in here beep booters

>> No.51528366

will the aeonic orb be mentioned in the fluff?
as one of thise world engine-style weapons they have lying around

>> No.51528380

There needs to be a Necron triumvirate.

- The Silent King
- An intact C'Tan
- Female Necron

>> No.51528600

>>51528273
Me, too!

>> No.51528640

I'll port some

>> No.51528665

>>51528380
thisthisthisthis

>> No.51528669

>> No.51528676

>>51528380
Some rustcrons

>> No.51528702

>>51528676
The Lord of rust

>> No.51528712

>>51528273
Remember anons. Flesh isn't life; Servos, gyros, and fuel, this is where life comes from. The others are merely defending by-product -- at best.

>> No.51528719

>>51528676
>>51528676
>>51528702
Destoyers.. Idk why they are going sideways the dont show up that way

>> No.51528744

>>51528712
You know what else isnt life?


Yours.

>> No.51528767

>>51528719
Soggy biscut... Er rusty croissant

>> No.51528779

>>51528273
1+ for Trazin the "I do what I want! When I want" Thief King

>> No.51529685

Necrons are objectively the most boring faction. They are also the second most inconsequential behind Tau.

>> No.51529692

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.51529707

>>51529692
This guy thinks he's Fabius Bile.

>> No.51529719

>>51529685
Necrons used to be cool.

>> No.51529741

>>51529719
In fact, they used to be so unbelievably boring that it mentally scarred people into constructing delusions of their coolness to protect their sanity.

>> No.51529752

>>51529741
Nope. Mystery suited them better.

>> No.51529787

>>51529752
There was no mystery. There was like 3.5 different units that you could dump in a bucket of boltgun metal and call it a paintjob, and there was lore that was shorter and less insightful than this comment that you are reading.

>> No.51529810

>>51529787
Less is more when more is shit.

>> No.51529845

>>51529719

Yes...

...

Regale us with stories of the old days Anon...

>> No.51529891

>>51529845
In the old days Necrons were not laughable Tomb Kings in space.

>> No.51530136

>>51528273
I think it's a shame they took away all the cool Cryptek toys - I really liked the super-tech spess wizard thing they had going on.

Also quite a fan of the canoptek constructs - they just seem so menacing.
I would definitely remove the pilot from a Triarch Stalker and have it as a giant scorpion/spider thing

>> No.51530177

>>51529891
Yup before they were just beep boop robots that killed for their star gods that had no personality what so ever.

How is that better than a Pick your own Dynasty and have some flavor they have now?

The Fluff still supports the mindless drone bit if you want so why do you think we were better off with 0 choices?

>> No.51530202

>>51529787
And things were great

>> No.51530228

>>51530177
it's an objective fact that Necrons are better than they've ever been

>> No.51530231

>>51530177
Less is more. We don't need a character digest for Jason Voorhees.

>> No.51530272

>>51530228
>better than they've ever been
Not him, I want my Cryptek toys, dammit!

>> No.51530295

>>51530231

Yeah, I'm with this guy...

...

Playing dress-up with the antediluvian, omnicidal killing machines is silly...

>> No.51530333

What do you guys want in 8e? I want more vehicles.

>> No.51530365

>>51530333
Probably not going to happen but I'd like a more melee focused army to be viable.

>> No.51530418

>>51530177
Old fluff already insinuated lords had personality.

Your lack of imagination to say your tombworld gave the c'tan the finger and went off to do it's own thing was not a good reason to rewrite years of lore and turn neurons into ineffectual cartoon villains.

The necron rewrite should have been a bunch of tomb world's awakening and telling the ctan to fuck themselves. Bam, neurons have personality (for the unimaginative and dim witted), c'tan aren't so unstoppable in their new necron civil war, and years of fluff aren't erased to appease chaos whiners complaining that a faction other than chaos is a main antagonist.

>> No.51530459

>>51529685
Come on, son, Nids are the most boring by far.

>> No.51530977

>>51528712
Great taste.

Cybertronians get out REEEEEEEEEE

>> No.51531018

Are Necrons the ultimate redpill?

>> No.51531035

>>51528273
Praise robo-Jesus.

>> No.51531326

>>51530272
I just mean fluffwise.

>> No.51531534

>>51528380
>not Szarekh, Imhotekh and Ahmontekh
New Triarch for galactic eminence M42.

>> No.51531607

>>51529891
I like how the only things good people can say about necrons is "the fluff used to be less shitty since there was no fluff." That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the faction.

Seriously why are necrons even a thing? I almost never see them mentioned in other fluff. They never come up in stories or novels. For apparently being all over the galaxy, and possessing tech that could theoretically wipe out any other faction, none of the other factions seem to give a shit about them.

>> No.51531685

>>51531607
Well, the latest retcon to make Abaddon and Chaos in general more threatening has the purpose of the Black Crusades being to target and destroy ancient Necron anti-warp pylons scattered throughout the galaxy.

And they're an integral part of the War in Heaven, which led to the destruction of the Old Ones and the creation of the Eldar and the Orks, as well as the destabilizing of the warp necessary for the existence of Chaos.

>> No.51531699

>>51530136
I love you too, Mr. Legs!

>> No.51531789

>>51531607
That's because they were a threat that came out of nowhere.

>For the emperor
>Maim Kill Burn
>WAAAAGH
>ground rumbles
>ground is necron
>air is scarabs
>mountains are monoliths
>holy shit, what are these things
>no body knows because nobody survived to tell the tale.

The old fluff is complete hush hush. Data on them within the universe is classified and very rare while the exposition dump only tell you what happened, not how it happened.

Newcron is basically midichlorines from the prequels. Explanation for things that no one needed and ruined the mystery of the thing permanently while doing it.

>> No.51531891

>>51528676
>>51528702
>>51528719
>>51528744
Thin your paints!

>> No.51532037

>>51531607
Nah, there was tons of Oldcron fluff.
It was great. They were unstoppable servants of Lovecraft-type critters, an existential threat on par with the Tyranids and Chaos.
Newcrons was kind of tonal whiplash, hence why so many oldsters like me hate them. They went from a primary villain faction to an at-best morally neutral comic relief faction. Even their creepy units (flayed ones) went from something bizarre to just dudes who really miss having dangly bits.
>>51530418
This would have been better. I'm hoping a later retcon will establish an independent C'tan fragment seizing several tomb worlds and going on a quest to reunite itself. Make everyone happy.

>> No.51532491

>>51528600
>>51531699
>Xeno dubs
What manner of sorcery is this?

>> No.51532555

I want to necrons in AoS. How would I go about doing this? I love the models but hate 40k.

>> No.51532577

>>51532555
You don't, for you should also hate AoS

>> No.51532692

Any faction that can make the big bad scared shitless I appreciate.

>> No.51532748

>>51532692
This is pretty much the reason I like newcrons; they can scare the designated bad guy without necessarily being a bigger bad guy themselves.

>> No.51532828

>>51530177
>no personality what so ever.
Necron Lords aside, that was one of their strengths, IMO. If you're going to give me an alien faction, don't just make it a bunch of Egypt stereotypes in space, with mustache-twiddlers like Trollzyn to turn it into a joke. Give me something weird and, well, alien.

The old lore definitely needed to be expanded upon, but I'm not a fan of the way they took it either. The hints of Tomb Kings/Egypt in their 2nd and 3rd edition aesthetics were already pushing it, IMO, and that was probably the last element of the faction that I'd have decided to bring into the foreground, if I were the one who ended up rewriting their lore.

>> No.51533116

>>51532828
personally as fan of tomb kings, with them as my only outlet for egyptian flavored undead now, I'm pretty okay with it, granted, I'd love to blend them with other cultural inspirations at least, like how the eldar blend multiple inspirations into a harder to pin point blending.

Maybe mix the rivalry with the old ones in some aztec inspirations, maybe some chinese aspects with some terracotta influences and rivers of mercury, have more lore bits focus on how the lords have to customize their bodies, how they have to express themselves with a motionless face in conversation, maybe imply that any time they speak aloud is for the benafit of outsiders they parlay with or taunt and they simply stream whole conversations between eachother.

so even speaking as a lover of the newcrons I can think of ways they can be even better

>> No.51533165

>>51528273
>made to look like alien skellies
>look like human skellies
explain this

>> No.51533186

>>51533165
They look more like Necrons than human skellies

Essentially, they look like humans for the same reasons that Eldar resemble humans, or orks resemble humans

Stylistic reasons

>> No.51533262

Oldcrons were amazing. The undying remnants of an ancient civilization, soulless slaves to Star Gods who were both evil and insane, brought the galaxy and their own people to ruin for the red harvest, one of the only things in the galaxy that was deadly enough to make the Eldar pause. The Necrontyr not only destroyed themselves but everything around them. Total grimdark.

Now look at them. A bunch of cuckbots wishing they could become men again with real weiners. They went from fearless destroyers of life to depressing robots that envy it. Not to mention pokemon. Total emo queers. Get Squatted. RIP.

>> No.51533273

>>51532828
I wouldn't mind Trazyn's kleptomania if it was bit weirder/scarier. He's basically the Collector and that's just lame.

Necrons really should never speak.

>> No.51533495

>necron love thread degenerates into newcron hate thread

>> No.51533500

>>51533495
It happens every time.

>> No.51533530

>>51533495
>>51533500
I just want more critiques like this one >>51533116
willing to enjoy the merits even as they have ideas to make it better

>> No.51533554

>>51530202
no they were bland and boring

>> No.51533569

>>51533116
In case you haven't noticed, newcrons have a SHITLOAD of Slav names.

>> No.51533572

>>51530333
more robot bugs, better designed flayed ones, a multipart C'tan shard kit similar to the chaos spawn kit

>> No.51533581

>>51533569
I did, and thats a great place to start for more ways to branch the aesthetic

>> No.51533867

>>51533554
Vanilla is a great icecream flavor.

>> No.51533870

>>51533116
>>51533581

>> No.51534142

>>51533870
who the fuck is that asshole?

>> No.51534660

>>51532555
tomb king or rattle rattle army
you paint them metal, add necron bits, and fluff them as undead from the realm of metal
bonus point if you manage to convert a metal dragon zombie with a metal skellies lord on it

>> No.51534677

>> No.51535741

>>51533495
>mfw I unironically like the old and new-crons

They should have kept shit like the red harvest in and mention and not totally disregard the C'tan in regards to their previous master plans. Sure they'd be double evil and shit but that would be nice. Mopey emo's wanting their former glory back whilst still fighting and trying to thwart the plans of those masters that robbed them of their greatness (which they partly defeated).

>> No.51536293

>>51528273
After reading more into Trazyn i've decided to get a Necron army.

>> No.51536543

>>51528273
They're filthy Xenos. They'll all die to the Imperium in the end anyway, Imotehk's already had his ass kicked twice and he's supposed to be the greatest Necron Lord there is. What a pussy

>> No.51536564

>>51529685
Trazyn's input is the only reason why Cadia didn't fall in the first minute of Abaddon's invasion.

Also the Necron pylons are the only thing that is keeping the galaxy from being consumed by the Warp.

So what the hell are you on about?

>> No.51536578

>>51536564
Pylons are irrelevant, we have the Emperor, just like Crons are irrelevant.

>> No.51536591

>>51533569
Name one.

>> No.51536619

>>51536578
The Emperor is a fraud. It was the pylons that kept the Warp sealed and kept it away for 60 million years. It was damage to the pylon network because of time and Abaddon's crusade that unsealed the warp and empowered Chaos in the galaxy.

Not to mention the Eye of Terror that put incredible stress on the network. If it weren't for the Cadians pylons, the Eye would have covered the whole galaxy at the moment of its creation.

>> No.51536629

>>51536591
Trazyn and his nicknames.

Maktlan Kutlakh.

>> No.51536635

>>51536619
>The Emperor is a fraud
You keep telling yourself that.

The Emperor literally singlehandidly strikes fear into the hear of all four Chaos Gods and can hold them all four back alone.

Xenos just jealous they aren't humans.

>> No.51536650

will necron ever get a 2+ armor save?
i want space terminators, big swole skeletons, even lychguard are pretty lanky

>> No.51536661

>>51536635
No, he doesn't. The Emperor couldn't defeat a single Undivided Daemon.

>> No.51536674

>>51536661
The Emperor contends with all four Chaos Gods at once, of course he can handle one Undivded Daemon

>> No.51536699

>>51536629
Trazyn is not a Slavic name and doesn't even sound like one - I tell you that as a Slav.
"Maktlan Kutlakh" sounds even less Slavic, in fact, it sounds explicitly Mesoamerican to me.

>> No.51536714

>>51536674
Nope. He is ran from Drach.

>> No.51536724

>>51536714
He beat Drachyen, he literally seals it and gets rid of it.

The Emperor wins that fight, like he wins all fights, he didn't run. The Emperor is literally the most powerful thing ever, stronger than everything else combinaed.

>> No.51536755

>>51528676
>>51528702
>>51528719
>>51528767

More like Cheeto Dustcrons

>> No.51536774

>>51536724
It's the equivalent of locking a door on a serial killer and running away.

The reason why the Emperor abandoned the Webway and fled was because he knew that Drach will eventually burst out of the custodes and come after him again. So he chooses to lose the war and seal the Webway which dooms humanity to be prey of Chaos forever.

>> No.51536786

>>51536774
The Emperor had to sit on the throne, that was the only reason he had to seal the hole, Drachyen had nothing to do with it

And the Imperium is still beating Chaos 8000 yearas later

>> No.51536806

>>51536786
Nope. The throne was being fed psykers and was running on auto.

The Emperor tried his best to win the Webway war but the moment Drach stepped out of shadows, it was over. Any chance of the Emperor's winning was lost.

And the Emperor literally does nothing about Chaos. The pylons are what's up.

>> No.51536821

>tfw I like newcrons better than oldcrons
>tfw I like the over-the-top personalities
>tfw I think they fit the tone of OG 40k much better than they ever did as terminators
>tfw I love that they're bright enough to be able to cooperate with other races

Fuckin' fight me oldfags

>> No.51536838

>>51536821
They are Eldar/Dark Eldar lite. If you like that go with the real deal.

I mean seriously, they use the Webway and have their own seers? How can you not be embarrassed playing this army that's been written by a hack? KYS.

>> No.51536851

>>51536821
I like newcrons too anon. Its nice being able to actually have characters have conversations and not just kill nonstop all the time or else be in stasis.

I mean oldcrons were just metallic Tyranids.

>> No.51536872

>>51536851
Actually, the oldcron lord had their own personalities and could and have talked. There were also Pariahs which were cool.

They had a dignity of not being metal Eldar and had their own FTL instead of piggyback riding on the Webway like losers.

>> No.51536873

>>51536851
At least Tyranids have the advantage of having a sizeable and diverse army, even if the lore is shit. Not everybody plays for the lore, most people do it for gameplay or painting/modelling.

The original Necrons were just ATROCIOUS

>> No.51536883

>>51531789
The Newcrons don't contradict the old fluff, in fact the old fluff is simply an example of the Imperium's perspective of the Necrons. Newcron fluff even mentions how the Eldar know very little about the Yingir but are certain that the Imperials don't know shit and get it even more twisted with every piece of information they acquire.


Who else here runs a huge army of Warriors and Immortals with Anrakyr at the head?

>> No.51536890

>>51536650
You can have a 2+ and be terrifying, but only if you're a bosscron.

Though if you add the deepstrike thing then your lord has basically become a horror movie villain - they pop up from nowhere, have an aura of fear and a hell of a save, and being a 'cron they regenerate too.

Now I'm thinking about having a kill team type game with a cron lord (or other lone, powerful model with a load of gear) vs an equivalent points worth of low end grunts in tight confines, like a ZM board.

>> No.51536896

>>51536872
Not seeing what your problem with Newcrons is then. If the Lords had personality back then, then who cares if they have personality now?

So your entire objection comes down to them using the Webway?

Also the Necron aren't the Eldar at all. Craftworld and Dark Eldar are both enormously different to the Necron. Other than being old technologically advanced races they have little to nothing in common.

>> No.51536905

>>51536883
isnt the explanation that the crazy malfunctioning necron woke up first, and they are the reason that everyone thinks that they are all like that?

>> No.51536906

>>51536896
Not to mention that the Eldar technology works on magic, whereas the Necrons can't use it at all.

>> No.51536910

>>51536890
I'm not gonna lie that concept sounds like it could be a lot of fun actually

>> No.51536938

>>51536905
No. The first 'official' recorded Imperial contact with Necrons is Sanctuary 101 where a bunch of sisters were exterminated by Imotehk's goons.

Honestly, from the Imperial perspective the Necrons are a bunch of insanely advanced xenos who are never politically, militarily, or even gala-graphically consistent. They think the Sautehk are the 'original' Necrons and that all other dynasties are just off shoots of the Sautehk.

I imagine this really amuses Imotehk and pisses everyone else off.

>> No.51536941

>>51536883
It does. The Necrons were talking and interacting with the Imperials for hundreds of years before Sanctuary 101.

The Newcrons are in no way silent and they weren't raiders like the oldcrons. They were about galactic conquest and grand campaigns. Also the issue about the C'tan being shards.

>Newcron fluff even mentions how the Eldar know very little about the Yingir

Don't lie or I am honna bitchslap you like the bitch you are. The Eldar don't know the exact number of the C'tan. That's it. The Eldar are perfectly aware that the Necrons have killed their own gods which makes the Eldar in oldcronlore dreading the return of the four C'tan uncanon.

Even the Blackstone Fortresses are now pointless and irrelevant to the point that neither Necrons or Eldar are not bothering with them. This is the opposite of the old lore where the BSF were key in destroying the C'tan forever.

>> No.51536952

>>51536941
Your begging for education, meat-man. First: what sources are you using?

>> No.51536959

>>51536941
Blackstone Fortresses had some pretty bad decay. I mean Fall of Cadia kinda just brushes it off it dies so quick and its the last one.

So much for being among the greatest super weapons from the greatest war ever.

>> No.51536970

>>51536896
>Not seeing what your problem with Newcrons is then.

They have the personalities of cartoon characters. Not to mention they made them too human and over the top. It's how they written them that's the problem, you child.

>elder race long fallen from grace
>have incomprehensible advanced tech
>have highly proficient seers that look into the future
>Use the Webway
>often act without explanation
>see younger races as infants
>are modeled after ancient pagan traditions
>brought a god into a world that ate their souls
>they can never truly prosper again as a race until the aftereffects of this are undone

You are stuck on the superficial but ignored the core of the issue.

>> No.51536990

>>51536952
Newron codexes and Fall of Cadia.

The Painting Murder Clown guide too. The Dreaming Shadow is a troupe that preforms plays about the Necrons and C'tan. Their Shadow Seers dress up as the "Dead Gods" of the Necrons and they play out the drama of the Necrontyr in the craftworlds and the Dark City.

>> No.51537009

>>51536970
Cartoonish? That's just 40k, its a pretty cartoonish setting my boy

So the first two things on your list are also true of Oldcrons so we can eliminate them.

The seers thing I'm not too sure of. Necron have temporal technology, sure, but other than the Diviner himself the Necron aren't often played up as magically prescient, instead they're played up as using logic to predict the moves of their opponents. So different.

Using the Webway, sure, that one we've already established.

The next two, acting without explanation (seemingly) and viewing the other races as lesser is, again, true of Oldcrons as well.

Modeled after ancient Pagan traditions, you mean their Egyptian? Weren't the oldest models already Egyptian themed?

Also you can't really compare C'tan to Slaanesh (and again the same was true of the Oldcrons already). There are multiple C'tan, the Necron voluntarily underwent Biotransference (for the most part) and they turned and destroyed them. That's very different to Slaanesh' story.

And the last part is just the Silent King's belief. Imotehk clearly doesn't think its necessary to return to a biological existence.

For the most part your list actually shows how, in many ways, Oldcrons and Newcrons are the same still.

>> No.51537068

>>51536838
>They are Eldar/Dark Eldar lite
Objectively wrong, they're much heavier than elves.

But seriously, the elves aren't slow and shooty.
The elves aren't robot skellingtons rebelling against their former gods.
The elves aren't the most technologically advanced motherfuckers in the known universe.
The elves don't have fucking robot spiders and centipedes and shit.

What a retarded fucking thing to say.


>army that's been written by a hack
So every single goddamn one, then?

>> No.51537081

>>51537009
>Cartoonish? That's just 40k, its a pretty cartoonish setting my boy

Nope, it's mostly serious with some comedic relief. The Necrons were made entirely out of comic relief.

>The seers thing I'm not too sure of. Necron have temporal technology, sure, but other than the Diviner himself the Necron aren't often played up as magically prescient, instead they're played up as using logic to predict the moves of their opponents. So different.

They are seers who chant and divine the future via star gazing. It's not cold technology when they preform rites that are akin to bone reading or rune reading.

>Using the Webway, sure, that one we've already established.

And you should be ashamed for it.

>The next two, acting without explanation (seemingly) and viewing the other races as lesser is, again, true of Oldcrons as well.

Less so since the Oldcrons did not voice their thought or broadcast them to every planet they go.

>Modeled after ancient Pagan traditions, you mean their Egyptian? Weren't the oldest models already Egyptian themed?

They weren't an overkill. No bunny ears.

>Also you can't really compare C'tan to Slaanesh (and again the same was true of the Oldcrons already). There are multiple C'tan, the Necron voluntarily underwent Biotransference (for the most part) and they turned and destroyed them. That's very different to Slaanesh' story.

The Priests of pleasure and manifested Slaanesh daemons convinced the majority of the Eldar masses to adopt excess and continue their path. Any doubts about emerging god danger were quieted by promises of glory and more pleasure. Those who protested were murdered, driven away, or forcefully converted.

>And the last part is just the Silent King's belief. Imotehk clearly doesn't think its necessary to return to a biological existence.

Oh look. There is no proof for that and yet he speaks. Don't lie to me.

Imotekh never voiced his opinion on the return to flesh

>> No.51537087

>>51536970
>have highly proficient seers that look into the future
But anon Eldar don't have those, its well known Eldar Seers are the worst in the galaxy.9 out of 10 times an Eldar Seer is wrong cause a Marine punches him/her in the face.

>> No.51537095

>>51537081
>Nope, it's mostly serious with some comedic relief.
Never checked out Rogue Trader, huh?
Newcrons fit the original flavor much better Oldcrons. Egyptian space zombie robots fit right in with hair metal elves and sports hooligan orks.

>> No.51537106

>>51537081
For the most part your list actually shows how, in many ways, Oldcrons and Newcrons are the same still.

Nope, the Newcrons crossed the threshold and went into full plagiarism

>>51537068
>But seriously, the elves aren't slow and shooty.

Wraith constructs

>The elves aren't robot skellingtons rebelling against their former gods.

Slaanesh and Ynnead are Eldar Gods whom the Eldar are currently rebelling against.

Slaanesh hates the Eldar because at the moment of her birth they rejected her instead of embracing her.

>The elves aren't the most technologically advanced motherfuckers in the known universe.

Both are technologically advanced. Any difference between them is superficial and doesn't cut into the core of the issue.

>The elves don't have fucking robot spiders and centipedes and shit.

See the Dark Eldar coven machines.

>So every single goddamn one, then?

No, just one.

>> No.51537117

>>51537095
Rogue Trader was a long time ago and it's utterly irrelevant to the now. Since 3th ED, the setting became serious with a small dash of comedic relief. the Newcron do not fit in today's 40K.

>> No.51537122

>>51537081
Dude the setting is laughable.

Really? I'll admit I haven't come across a lot of Shamanism in what I've read about the Necron. Even Orikan's bio doesn't describe him as using magic, it makes it clear he's a scientist. Also Studying stars isn't magical, that's still scientific.

Also you're still conceding at least 4 things on your list are the same between both iterations of the Crons.

Again your problem is 'overkill' so not the concept just the aesthetic. There are ugly models in pretty much all armies so I don't see how that's an objection to the Newcron fluff as a whole.

Also your understanding of Eldar lore is weird. No Daemons of Slaanesh and Priests of Slaanesh existed to convince the Eldar of anything. Whereas the Necon struck an explicit deal with a group of entities, the Eldar concieved Slaanesh wholly unintentionally and without Slaanesh egging them on. The Eldar did not even know they were creating a god.

Also your point about Imotehk cuts both ways. You have no evidence for what his position is either.

>> No.51537127

anyone got good art of the lychguard?

>> No.51537160

>>51536910
There's plenty of variants you can do on it, I think:
Cron lords can be the Terminator, pretty literally.
Deathleaper and other Lictors, and other 'nid beasties are damn close to being Alien anyway.
Predator is hardest to find an analogue to - maybe a striking scorpion exarch?


Someone (a magos maybe, or a SM captain (didn't Sicarius do this once)) unleashing a C'tan shard could also be a pretty interesting scenario, though it might just be a roflstomp.

>> No.51537162

>>51537122
>Dude the setting is laughable.

Nice opinion yo. Deal with the facts please.

>Really? I'll admit I haven't come across a lot of Shamanism in what I've read about the Necron. Even Orikan's bio doesn't describe him as using magic, it makes it clear he's a scientist. Also Studying stars isn't magical, that's still scientific.

Because you are not a Necron fan, not really. The Crypteks in the novels chant before casting spells. It's a mystical thing instead of what should be scientific.

>Also you're still conceding at least 4 things on your list are the same between both iterations of the Crons.

And it's okay to give them a pass for it if they didn't go full Eldar with the Newcrons.

>Again your problem is 'overkill' so not the concept just the aesthetic. There are ugly models in pretty much all armies so I don't see how that's an objection to the Newcron fluff as a whole.

How about a whole range of ugly and silly models? Every single Newcron model was just bad. Tomb Blades? Those flyer? Those bulky Overlords?

>Also your understanding of Eldar lore is weird. No Daemons of Slaanesh and Priests of Slaanesh existed to convince the Eldar of anything. Whereas the Necon struck an explicit deal with a group of entities, the Eldar concieved Slaanesh wholly unintentionally and without Slaanesh egging them on. The Eldar did not even know they were creating a god.

Don't call my understanding into question when you are in ignorance.

My sources is the novels primarily "Farseer" and the "The Macharian Crusade" series.

>Also your point about Imotehk cuts both ways. You have no evidence for what his position is either.

It cuts one way and you should apologize for lying. I made no claim about Imotekh. I am just going with the fact that all Necrons from the lowest warrior to the highest Overlord yearn for the return to flesh.

>> No.51537186

how do you know that Newcronfags are ignorant? When they tell me that Eldar have little knowledge about the "Yngir" so there is no contradiction between the new lore and old.

Seriously, Newcrons must be the newest of fags. Posting some Dreaming Shadow lore.

>> No.51537201

>>51537186
>The Killing Jest
>The Killing Joke

It doesn't get lower than this. Referencing bloody comics/cartoons in relation to the Necrons!

>> No.51537223

>>51537201
The Dreaming Shadow Shadowseers cosplay as the C'tan Gods aka the Dead Gods of the Necrontyr.

>> No.51537247

>>51537223
Oh looky here. The Necrons can be known affected by psychic powers. The 40K "Terminators" who should be logical and utterly fearless as their inspiration can be put into fright and terror by conjured tricks of the Eldar.

It's like they went into a meeting and discussed ways to ruin the Necrons.

>> No.51537283

>>51537247
>THE DREAMING SHADOW

>Beneath the glare of dying stars, the Masque of the Dreaming Shadow performs its sombre dance of war. It is the ancestral duty of this masque to prevent the awakening of an ancient foe, to slay whoever it takes to prevent the rebirth of the Necron Empire. The Players of the Dreaming Shadow are bound together by their morbid demeanour, and by a simmering resentment of the other masques. This sentiment, however, is deliberately exaggerated – part act and part truth, deriving from the fact that the war against the Necrons distracts from Cegorach’s true battle with She Who Thirsts. For their part, most other Harlequins hold the Dreaming Shadow’s selflessness in high esteem, though some are scornful of this masque’s inherent bitterness toward them, dismissing their war against the Necrons as nothing but a sad sideshow.

Necrons who were among the greatest threats to the galaxy equal to that of Chaos, and the focus of the Eldar in the previous fluff, are regulated to being a sad sideshow compared to the main show of the Great War against Chaos.

You let this happen ,you fucks.

>> No.51537304

>919.M41 THE DAEMON’S TOMB

>The Daemon Prince Shukketh Voidmaw infects the tomb world of Vorketh with the taint of Chaos. Vorketh’s regent awakens to find his crypts transformed, and his legions already locked in battle.

Chaos Necrons is apparently a thing now? Pile in on, Ward!

>> No.51537371

>>51537304
>and his legions already locked in battle
This implies that the Necrons aren't tainted so much as the world on which they reside is. If they don't have any warp dampeners like Cadia's, there's literally nothing stopping a sufficiently powerful daemon from dragging the entire planet into the warp.

>> No.51537567

>>51537283
>equal to that of Chaos
Anon, you are equating a people who can, and have, been warred with, to an eldritch monstrosity of the Eldar's own creation who WILL RUIN THEM, without fail.
There is a massive difference between a foe who was your equal, and an unassailable force of nature who literally owns your entire race.

>> No.51537641

>>51528366
More likely than the Abattoir perhaps. Though the Orb concept was already resurrected and adapted for the (less powerful) Tesseract Ark.

>>51532037
>They went from a primary villain faction to an at-best morally neutral comic relief faction.
What the Necrontyr rulers knowingly did to their subjects is pretty fucking evil, though it doesn't get much attention from fans. And it sits next to the sillier stuff, which I guess is where that tonal whiplash comes in. Somehow other factions can get away with it (Orks, Dark Eldar, Chaos, the Imperium, more or less the whole setting), but with Necrons there's always going to be that great perceptual divide between what they were and what they've been turned into.

Mind, even if the Oldcron lore was supergrim, there were still one or two rule descriptions where the devs allowed for a bit of levity. As well as the obvious thing. And ironically, at least one bit of fluff (in another codex but featuring pre-Newcron crons) actually became less funny once Oldcrons were no more.

>Even their creepy units (flayed ones) went from something bizarre to just dudes who really miss having dangly bits.
The latter is what people think Oldcron Flayed Ones were, and is usually held as a point in their favour despite not actually being part of their fluff, since they didn't have any beyond being terror weapons.

Newcron Flayed Ones are victims of a dead C'tan's curse which warps them into dimension-hopping, eternally hungry robo-ghouls.

>> No.51539924

>>51536910
Thanks mang

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>> No.51541286

>>51541131
Would be nice if they drew more heavily on ancient cultures other than Egypt.

Then again, they don't really draw too blatantly on the Egyptian theme, as far as the design is concerned.

>> No.51541325

How do you feel about ceramic necrons?

>> No.51541340

>>51533495
There was space for the newcrons without erasing the old ones. A single (or a few) dynasties retaining their memories and independance while being outnumbered by the C'Tan enslaved ones would have been accepted more easily, I think. As would have a not!necron paintjob with DAoT AI defense cluster #45863 or another advanced robot alien race.

Zombie skynet was a good concept, and anyways if there's anything that neckbeards despise it's change.

>> No.51541381

>>51536724
Except for Horus. The only reason The Emperor was able to defeat Horus was because Sanguinus gave his life to open a chink in Horus's armor.

>> No.51541389

>>51541325
Meh. White is a bitch to get right.

>> No.51541421

>>51536896
Imagine that suddently CSM enslave the chaos gods, and 2/3 of the marines become friendly to the Imperium. Not only is that a 180 for the faction, but it really diminish the threat they pose.
>But you can still have a warband that follows a shard of Khorne, and does thing like in the old fluff.
True, but the context isn't the same at all.

>> No.51541444

>>51541421
>CSM enslave the chaos gods
That would be fucking awesome.
>2/3 of the marines become friendly to the Imperium
That, not so much.

>> No.51541466

Post cute Necrons.

Specifically, I can't find the White Necron that's petting a puppy/kitten

>> No.51541491

>>51541466

>> No.51541493

>>51541421
>Imagine that suddently CSM enslave the chaos gods
That's not very hard to imagine, most of them hold the gods in extremely low regard and attempt to use them without being used.

>> No.51541524

>>51541491

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>>51541524

>> No.51541865

>>51541466

>> No.51541949

>>51541493
Yeah, master and slave relation doesn't turn that fast or easy.

>> No.51541975

>>51528380
We actually have a female cron, a Phaeron even. She leads that one murderbot.exe Dynasty that manged to both KILL a C'tan and almost destroy time itself.

If they decide to model her, I really hope they make a wider-hipped sleek skeleton instead of chrome Tomb queen like most conversions seem to be.

>> No.51542017

>>51541493
There is a difference between trying and succeeding. I don't think the oldcrons were thrilled by their enslavement either.

A revolt against the 4 four campaign would be pretty awesome, and put chaos in a nice spotlight without necessarily involving the Imperium.

>> No.51542088

>>51531891
Most of the necrons I got second hand. I stripped what I could the idiot must of used house paint hardly any of it came off. Not that I'm a master painter but I've done what I could. I can do a little better on my own.

>> No.51542138

>>51530228

Are you Australian?

>> No.51542184

>>51531035
More like the Sizable Chin.

>> No.51542862

>>51528712
Servo is life, gyro is hometown.

>> No.51542900

>>51528380
All three exist, and I have met them.

>> No.51542923

>>51530228
Go back to your fuckin' penal colony and toss yourself on the barbie, m8.

>> No.51542982

>>51536774
>>51536806
>BL
>ADBs OC donutsteel character version
Just give him enough time, and he will write how Chaos are actually the good guys and will totally be bestest friends with humans, for real now! The Gods of murder, death, sorcery and excess are just really misunderstood!

>> No.51543301

>>51534142

He's called Pajamaboy.

A few years ago, President Obama's campaign encouraged young activists to go home for Thanksgiving and pick fights with their family demanding that they support Obamacare. That was the picture from the ad that went viral. The guy was a pro-Obama activist in New York.

On the right they posted that ad everywhere, because the smug little manlet, the condescension, the threats to destroy relationships with friends and family, and the generally triumphalist tone-deaf attitude was supposed to be emblematic of the Obama era.

>> No.51544239

>>51536578
>we

Please tell me you're not cosplaying right now.

>> No.51544278

>>51530231
>We don't need a character digest for Jason Voorhees.
And that's what makes him a terrible character who only works in movies that are so shitty they're entertaining.

>> No.51544307

>>51542982
>Gods of murder, death, sorcery and excess
I'm sorry, I only know gods of honour, life, hope and pleasure.

>> No.51544418

>>51541325

I wouldn't do them myself because they're hard to get right. But when well painted they kick ass.

>> No.51544451

>>51544418
I want to know how to paint that head. Shit looks cash.

>> No.51544884

>>51544278
So you are gonna call turning it into Freddy Krueger as your defense. Ok buddy.

>> No.51544931

>>51544451
Start with a decent emerald green and then highlight up towards the yellow. Proper execution makes it good, the color selection tends to be obvious.

>> No.51544981

>>51544884
Look at the ratings if you don't agree the Freddy films are vastly superior.

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>> No.51545503

>>51535741
I like you I do agree that they should have mentioned more of that in the new dexes, I take the attitude of "canon still unless contradicted"

>> No.51547192

>>51545182
>D-5 FEELS.... nothing.

Kind of sad really

>> No.51548581

>>51541975
Would this work sans the breasts?

>> No.51548631

I like Necrons
I hate Redditcrons

>> No.51548653

>>51548631

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>> No.51548857

>>51541975
>>51548581

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>> No.51548984

>>51548857
She would look so much better with rounded legs instead of those tau boxes.

>> No.51549262

>>51548984
I bought a few of their conversion sets for my lichguards, and they use a soft resin. You could easily just cut off the spoder legs and use some humanoid ones. I personally think the arachnid legs are okay, but to each their own.

>> No.51551941

>>51528380
40k isnt fetishland, sorry

>> No.51552973

>>51544278

Like that one guy said: "Less is more."

...

Tell a joke too many times and it will stop being funny...

Eat your favorite food constantly and it eventually won't taste as good as it once did...

Reveal too much information about something which is supposed to be mysterious or frightening and it will lose those qualities...

...

Necrons were ominous and intimidating because they were *unknown*...

They were silent mechanical legions systematically, and callously, eradicating any and all lifeforms...

...

In my opinion, the only blemish is the Necron's motive: Kill all life in order to harvest souls for the eldritch machine deities to consume...

That is just lame, and far too close to what the Chaos god's deal is...

In fact, there is every little about the C'Tan that sits well with me...

...

You could have the C'Tan be a single incomprehensibly powerful supercomputer designed to ensure Necrotyr supremacy which deduces that the most likely way to defeat the Old ones and the lesser races is to initiate a War in Heaven scenario, disengage at the climax of the conflict, and then lie in wait while the universe's wounds purify and their adversaries become infirm and/or perish.

Or alternatively, you could have them be adhering to an antediluvian principle, or serving a barely comprehensible purpose...

Just, literally anything except: "Imma eat all ya souls 'n sheet!"

>> No.51553816

>>51552973
I understand your opinion (which I sort of agree with), but that aside, why did you purposely format that post in such an ugly way? Those sentences all supported a common point, and as such could have been one paragraph, and the double spacing paired with ellipsis every other line just took up space. This isn't an English course and you're not writing an essay.

>> No.51554262

>>51553816

Mhm...

My post is somewhat disjointed and not nearly as concise as I would like. Unfortunately there is nothing I can do to fix it now...

Concerning the formatting, there is no particular reason behind it beyond force of habit...

>> No.51554472

>>51552973
>Less is more.
When I hear this fucking buzzword in real life I just hit people in the face. You know who said that? Mies van der Rohe, the guy who invented the commieblock, the epitome of ugliness and low standards of living in architecture.

>> No.51554976

>>51554472

> When I hear this fucking buzzword in real life I just hit people in the face.

Mhm-hm...

Sure you do Anon...

...

A big, tough bloke like yourself?

I wouldn't expect anything less...

>> No.51555170

>>51554976
Don't be upset when people call you autistic for your inability to spot something as basic as deliberate hyperbolas. Although I am pretty tough.

>> No.51555235

>>51554976
Dude really, how did you make a habit of writing in such an exaggerated way? Do you roleplay all day long?

>> No.51555294

>>51555170

> It's just hyperbole you fucking autist!

> But I am totally super badass though.

...

Oh, do go on ToughAnon...

Tell us of your exploits...

>> No.51555349

>>51555235

Yeah, it has pretty much been hardwired into my brain by this point...

>> No.51555396

>>51555170
This gonna be good.

>> No.51555416

>>51555294
Found your horse. Just in case the tough guy scares you, or a shadow does, both sounds likely DESU.

>> No.51555440

>>51530228
No.

>> No.51555473

>>51533262

I liked the oldcrons even though they DID serve a non-grimdark purpose of undermining the encroachement of Chaos and severely ruin the Tyrand Hive Fleets feeding frenzy.

They're appeal was that they we're soulless automatons, reduced shells of necrodermis animated by the sentience of long lost race, with only the higher ups (Necron lords) possibly aware of how wicked they were but unable to do nothing save serve the C'tan.

Now every newcron has a flamboyant personality like they're trying to make up for they're lack of identity - which is precisely at odds with the notion of necrons being legions upon legions of identical not!T900 terminators from space egypt.

>> No.51555553

>>51555416

Look, Anon...

...

If you have sent my horse to the big glue factory in the sky just tell me...

There is no need for you to replace it with a lunatic wearing an elaborate pony costume...

...

On a more serious note, what the fuck is the context for this gif?

>> No.51556010

>>51536896
>If the Lords had personality back then, then who cares if they have personality now?
It's not the fact that they have personality that's the problem. It's the fact that their personalities are stupid.

There's silent metal death, and there's Saturday-morning-cartoon-supervillain-tier ridiculous. Oldcrons are the former, Newcrons are the 'mwah-ha-ha, no one can stop my evil plans now. Oh! Curse those meddling space marines!'.

>>51536851
>I like newcrons too anon. Its nice being able to actually have characters have conversations and not just kill nonstop all the time or else be in stasis.
>I mean oldcrons were just metallic Tyranids.
This is just untrue. Granted, in the early editions most of the human interaction was done by the Deceiver. Read the short story Deus Ex Mechanicus. There's also short bits in the early codex. They have personality, it's just mysterious and hidden.

There was plenty of room to add personality if you had the least amount of imagination. Unfortunately, a lot of Necron players apparently didn't

(pdf is an attempt to reconcile oldcron and newcron fluff)

>> No.51556168

>>51555473
I'm with you on the oldcron train. I prefered the "I have no vox caster and I must scream" embodiments of death stuck in their necrodermis bodies serving the star gods, over the modern mustache twirling vilains from space egypt who almost seem like fun guys to hang around. And the the C'tans kicked to hell and back. Dear god how sad am I at this.
On the other side i realize how much easier they are now to personalize.

>> No.51556203

>>51541975
Wide hips, a relatively smaller ribcage, and maybe some sort of robotic "hair" or a "skirt" would be perfect for a Phaerakh. I have no idea why everyfuckingone insists on trying to add tits to them.
>>51542982
Unrelated, but the Horus Heresy is pretty much conceptually "WAH DADDY DIDN'T LOVE ME: the event" in the first place. Of all the things to rag on it for, this isn't one.

>> No.51556689

>>51528273
>C'tan Star Gods are said to have been born at the birth of the universe, making them older than the Old Ones
>They originally fed on stars for sustenance, feeding slowly off the energy of one single star for millenia or millions of years at a time
>Stars provided plenty of food but they had no flavour
>also feeding off stars kinda sucked cause living things needed those
>C'tans and Necrontyr discover one another, friendship ensues
>C'tans give Necrontyr the immortality they craved by transferring them into necrodermins bodies
>Necrons go on harvesting life-energy from living races for the C'tan, which were a lot less nutritios than the energy of stars but had more flavour
>C'tans and Necrons prevent the warp shitstorms from spreading, daemons and Dark Gods BTFO
>Also prevent overpopulation of living races in the galaxy
>Tyranids can't do anything against them either since they have no biomass for them to eat and got weapons that reduce organic matter into nothing
>mfw C'tans and Necrons are accually now stalling entropy in the universe by feeding of the energy of overpopulated galactic races than sucking plasma from the stars as well as protecting the galaxy from Chaos and extra-galactic locusts

C'tans confirmed for good guys

>> No.51557162

>>51528273

Are Pariahs still a thing?

>> No.51557258

>>51557162
Nope.

>> No.51557336

>>51557258

whatashame.jpg

>> No.51557564

>>51556689
>stalling entropy
>by feeding of the energy of overpopulated galactic races
>sucking plasma from the stars

That's not how thermodynamics work.
Also entropy isn't an issue in 40k because they got warp fission, so the system isn't isolated.

>> No.51559536

>>51528273
Fuck I fucking love Monolith !
Post more Monolith

>> No.51560366

>>51528273
>>51528291
Beep-boop.

Also, pic related. Necron nobility when they fail Reanimation protocols.

>> No.51560959

>>51556689
Not everyone has telescopic eyes anon.

>> No.51561111

>>51560959
>Not everyone has telescopic eyes anon

Organics leave

>> No.51562627

>>51556689
well, DUH

>> No.51562656

>>51561111
kek'd and check'd

>> No.51566536

>>51561111
Don't bully mortals!

>> No.51568897

Would it be possible for a space marine chapter to turn to worshiping a c'tan instead of the emperor or a chaos god?

>> No.51568931

SOI SOI SOI SOI SOI
AIOU AIOU AIOU
SOI SOI SOI SOI SOI

>> No.51570346

>> No.51570650

i have necron BFG fleet for sale for 300$ + shipping if any one is interested

>> No.51571222

>>51548713
Prime example of attempting to do a great thing, laying out the blue prints for future generations...and then having a talentless hack few years later ruin the entire backstory

>> No.51573746

>>51528273

I finally decided to get into the game yesterday. Went to my local GW and got myself a 'Necrons Start Collecting' box!

Probably going to paint them in the Mephrit dynasty colours.

What other troops would you suggest to bolster my army? I was thinking of a squad of praetorian or immortals.

>> No.51574831

>>51573746
Basically, decurion attachment but troops, immortals, wraiths scrabs, spiders, death marks and croissants is a good start.
>>51571222
Trips of truth

>> No.51575103

>>51548581
>>51548857
Seriously, when will FW release that Maynarkh Pharek?

>>51531035
I always imagined the Silent King to look more like the BBEG from Stargate (the movie that is), but with the mother of all Egyptian head-ware.

>>51557162
Hoping that Illuminor Szeras will retcon them back.

He has a Culexus, so he can go and start a super-prototype.

>> No.51577420

>>51575103
>but with the mother of all Egyptian head-ware.
Nagash called, he wants his hat back.

>> No.51577762

>TFW at university and all of my bleeper-bloopers are at my parents house

I miss my crons

>> No.51580646

>>51568897
I don't see why not. How would they be modeled though?

>> No.51580864

>>51554472
You're pathetic, my man.

>> No.51580937

>>51533495
As it should be. No rest for those with shit taste.

>> No.51582922

bump

>> No.51585738

>>51531607
If you read the wordbearers trilogy you'll find that they actually encounter oldcrons. Or newcrons.
I'm not sure as it's not from the 'crons perspective and the 'crons are only there to kill space marines, so it could go either way.

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