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Is violence always non-Good? What about smiting Evil, that's defined as a Good act, right?

>> No.51357410

I'm pretty sure fantasy alignment systems were constructed with the assumption that the players would be doing a lot of killing, and would not be evil for doing so. On the classic two-axis morality grid, I'd call violence chaotic neutral.

>> No.51357428

"Acts of goodness are not always wise, and acts of evil are not always foolish. Regardless, we shall always strive to be good."

>> No.51357479

>>51357378
>What about smiting Evil, that's defined as a Good act, right?

In a fantasy RPG, yes. In real life, where what is considered "evil" is much more subjective and amorphous, no.

>> No.51357482

Violence against evil is FUN.

>> No.51357492
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>>51357378
It's either
>Killing and violence is always wrong
>but it is justifiable if to prevent a greater evil, although the person killing should seek repentance

Or
>Killing is a neutral act, and the context surrounding it makes it good or evil
>Killing an evil person is good or neutral, while killing a good or neutral person is evil

Depends on whether you consider evil actions on being on a scale, as in lesser and greater evil, or singular, as in evil actions are all evil with no distinction.

>> No.51357527
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51357527

Smiting fascism is ALWAYS Good.

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>>51357527

>> No.51357592

>>51357378
Even by DnD standards, no. A pacifist who refuses to punch an evil cow in the head to save the orphanage is a non-good. And a guy who punches a serial killer to death because he was being noisy is a non-good act since there was no intention to stop him from being a serial killer, but only a selfish need to have less noisy people.

>> No.51357601

>>51357378

>sucker punch someone for having a different opinion and run away like a coward
>good

Choose one.

Seriously this has achieved nothing but to reinforce Richard Spencer and his cronies opinions and make the guy who did it and everyone who associates with him look like cunts.

>> No.51357612
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51357612

Violence is always Good. Murder is the only real avenue of political or personal expression.

>> No.51357620

>>51357378
Why the fuck do you care, you fucking piece of shit?

>> No.51357632
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>>51357378
No one will be offended if you murder a demon, if they do you can kill them too because they probably summoned the demon.

>> No.51357648

>>51357378

Bait thread, obviously, but I recall the days when /tg/ didn't need moderation, so let's turn this into a good discussion.

Smiting evil implies either that you're in a lawless system, or a system that favors evil, or a system where vigilantism is permitted, or that for whatever reason the PCs either have legitimate force or there is no legitimate force available. When you engage in vigilantism, you're weakening the social norms that keep society peaceable.

That can be much more harmful (especially for minorities who depend on legitimate force to protect them) than the actual evil you're punishing. If society moves from rule of law to might makes right, then who wins the contest of force? Are contests of force the way you want to resolve social disputes?

There's also the question of proportionality. Mr. Asshole says and believes evil things... Does that legitimize violence against him? This wasn't defense, or reasonable defense of someone else in danger, or even retribution for past violence.

Now, one case where this does make sense is if you genuinely think that your social order is so fundamentally unjust that the anarchy and subsequent autocracy of a revolution is preferable (bearing in mind that oppressed minorities often fare the worst in such upheavals). Or that collapse or tyranny is so inevitable that there's no point upholding an acceptable system that's doomed anyway. But in that situation, it seems like punching a guy on camera a compliances nothing except perhaps to goad Mr Asshole's compatriots into escalating.

Basically, IMO you're responsible for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of your actions. And context matters.

>> No.51357660

>>51357479
If evil can be subjective, then so can good. If you believe something to be evil, it follows that you should believe preventing it to be good.
Not necessarily preventing it with violence, though. Real world allows for some pretty creative problem solving.

>> No.51357663

>>51357601
This.

This ain't fantasy-all the best intentions in the world don't unmake the reality you're just assaulting someone.

If anything it's just proof that having a progressive mentality or whatever doesn't make you automatically make you good or enlightened- it means you're the same old human idiot like always, but now you're doing typical stupid things for pretentious reasons.

>> No.51357671

Violence is a tool, like a hammer, or splitting the atom. It can be used for good, or bad. It's easier to use it for bad than good, but that does not mean you have to shy away from it.

>> No.51357698

>>51357527
>fascism
I think you meant communism buddy.

>> No.51357707

>>51357698
They are not opposite forces. One does not exclude the other.

>> No.51357709

>>51357698

Same thing is same.

>> No.51357753

>always

If I sliced you open, it'd be at least assault with a deadly weapon, possibly murder.

If my brother did the same, you'd be paying dearly for the privilege, and probably end up in considerably better health than you were before once the stitching's out.

Context matters.

>> No.51357766

>>51357753
Although I agree with you in principle I object to your example.

Surgery is invasive and dangerous but I wouldn't call it violent due to the care that is used.

>> No.51357768

>>51357632

This is an interesting point because it illustrates D&D morality.

In D&D, some places, things, and beings are good or evil just by nature. Humans become good or evil via their acts, but ultimately they have overall alignments as well. Hence why you can smite a demon or someone who summons one.

In many real life moral systems, things and beings aren't evil, just particular choices. You can kill Charles Manson to stop an evil act in progress, or even to punish his acts after the fact. But you can't kill him for just being evil.

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>>51357601
>sucker punch someone for having a different opinion and run away like a coward

Or as nazis call that kind of thing operation barbarossa

>> No.51357816

>>51357378
Assuming this isn't some sort of bait...
Violence IS evil in general but the idea is that it can be justifiable when used to prevent greater acts of violence and evil.

This can be lost on the average adventurer since most of their fights are agaisnt fairly clear-cut cases of evil, monsters and villains who directly want to harm innocent people. Few DMs do morally ambiguous challenges well and even fewer players are receptive enough to not complain and demand clear-cut encounters. Heck, even encounters you'd think are morally clear cut can end in heated disagreement with players projecting their issues in the modern world onto the fantasy game; i.e. "we can't help the king against the ancient evil because the whole concept of a kingdom is sexist" or "all these fantasy races are just evil dindu nuffin sjw niggers who need to be enslaved and wiped out BUILD DA WALL XD"

Basically the standard for acceptable violence is judged by really questioning, is this violence necessary? If bandits are raiding a town and one is attacking a little old lady trying to shield her grandchildren then you might rightly strike to kill because of the immediate danger to innocents and lack of time to try to subdue them non-lethally.
On the other hand if an unarmed thief steals your coin pouch but then falls flat on his face a few feet away and surrenders and you have manacles on hand and there's a guard just down the street that you could turn the thief over to, then it would probably be evil to just start hacking away at the thief until he's dead.

>> No.51357832

>>51357378
I dunno, you should probably make sure someone is for-real evil before smiting them. Pre-emptive smiting rarely ends well, and it makes for poor PR.

>> No.51357844

>>51357698
Both seem to involve suppression of dissent, authoritarianism, the purging of intellectuals, and the murder of an awful lot of innocents, so I think both are worth smiting.

>> No.51357846

>>51357648
>When you engage in vigilantism, you're weakening the social norms that keep society peaceable.
Yes, this is what I thought. Violence is destructive. Damaging to established systems. Not EVIL in the way "smite Evil" usually implies, but quite likely something that people living in an ordered society (ie. bloated aristo scum) would find objectionable.

>> No.51357855

>>51357768
>But you can't kill him for just being evil.

Except isn't that precisely why the death penalty exists as an option? The state decides that some murderers are bad and deserve to be locked up indefinitely unless they can show they are reformed while others are so evil they deserve being put to death?

In the real world court system, Evil is a mitigating factor that does affect sentencing, and it is a factor judged not according to the crime post-facto but to the internal qualities of the criminal.

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51357860

>mfw got into an argument about this at last night's game

>mfw DM's stance was, "obviously punching people is wrong legally, but he's a Nazi so he deserves it! He should always be afraid of being hit, because he's a Nazi! Nazi! Nazi!"

>>51357789
kek

>>51357768
>In many real life moral systems, things and beings aren't evil, just particular choices. You can kill Charles Manson to stop an evil act in progress, or even to punish his acts after the fact. But you can't kill him for just being evil.

That's more because we can't magically see his evil. There are plenty of people who argue for pre-emptive punishment if they believe that someone is evil/about to do evil, but it has difficulty being the basis of a legal system that actually cares about justice and can't read minds.

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>>51357846

So it's Chaotic Good?

>> No.51357881

>>51357378
/pol/ thread hidden.

>> No.51357898

>>51357378
violence is a necessary evil, sometimes.

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>>51357855
The death penalty is less about you being evil and more about you being uncontrolled. In D&D land, adventurers kill animals all the time to stop them from hunting people, because they know that the animal will keep hunting people as it is an irredeemable part of it's nature. The animal is True Neutral and doesn't hunt maliciously, but if not stopped it will hunt.

We'll put down a pitbull sooner than a child rapist not because the pitbull is more evil, but because it's harder to make it become Lawful.

>> No.51357931

Welp, time to define your Good and your Evil. Probably time to define your Will/Duty/Agency too. Not much point in the discussion otherwise.

>> No.51357947

>>51357698
Nazi's weren't communists, their system wasn't based in the slightest on trying to attain wealth equality.

>> No.51357963

>>51357378
On one hand, the idea of killing itself being evil seems ridiculous, as they wouldn't ever be able to defend themselves and good would be forever at disadvantage.

But imagine if that were the case. To be marked as good, be favored by the holy forces and allowed in heaven one must abstain from taking the life of another. That means in order to survive, others must kill on their behalf. Mercenary work here is possible, but probably not sustainable.

No, the one who first come to their aid are the ones bound by love. Those who take up arms and condemn themselves to preserve their lovers, parents, siblings and children in heaven for all time. For them, their souls have no home to return to, and will simply cease to be.

It is only them who earn the right to be called heroes.

>> No.51358032

>>51357612
Heaven brings forth innumerable things to nurture man.
Man has nothing good with which to recompense Heaven.
Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill.

>> No.51358079

>>51357917
>The death penalty is less about you being evil and more about you being uncontrolled.

But to prove someone is uncontrolled you show in court that they are evil to the jurors.

And we put down pitbulls because no one has the guts to put down their shitty owners and give the poor doggo to someone who will train them and give them headpats properly.

>> No.51358087

Subtract the rudeness of the action from the evilness of the target. If the sum is positive you've done good, negative evil.

Bandit is evilness 5, you punch him in the groin for 4 points of rudeness and end up with 1 point left for an objectively morally justified action.

Nun has an evilness of -3 and you make her a cake for -4 rudeness points. -3-(-4)=1 so it's also justified.

Mother Theresa has -6 evilness and you give her a pat on the back for -2 rudeness. However, this action is insufficiently good and you're an ungrateful little shit that just earned himself am evil point.

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>>51357378

Never seen any this scared of non-lethal bludgeoning damage who wasn't a skeleton, what's the deal /pol/? your skinsuit too tight around your fee-fees?

>> No.51358099

>>51358079
>And we put down pitbulls because no one has the guts to put down their shitty owners and give the poor doggo to someone who will train them and give them headpats properly.
We should just get rid of both. I have no idea why people with chronic vagina syndrome feel the need to defend that piece of shit breed.

>> No.51358115

>>51357855
>some murderers are bad and deserve to be locked up indefinitely unless they can show they are reformed while others are so evil they deserve being put to death?
I'm not just memeing when I say that's a pretty feels-driven argument. I mean what is the actual difference between someone in life for prison or one put to death.
Even assuming the one put to death IS "more evil" why does that necessitate putting them to death? Are they somehow poisoning society as long as they are alive? If that's the reason to kill them then why not extend it to anyone who you judge as poisoning society?

Basically, legal punishment has three fundamental goals that can be mixed in various amounts.
Removal from society so that the person can not do more harm.
Reform; them changing their ways and stopping their threat to society whether it's from therapy or fear of further punishment, you can argue the effectiveness of different methods but the goal is the same. There's also the sub-argument that especially harsh punishments will lead to others not breaking the law out of fear, the numbers don't exactly back that up but that sort of statistical analysis probably wouldn't be a thing in generic fantasy worlds.
And finally the most primal and savage purpose; revenge, the desire to hurt them for being bad and because they "deserve it".

>> No.51358142

>>51357378
Good is whatever the paladin's god defines as good. Morality is subjective, even when dealing in absolutes.

>> No.51358179

>>51358097
When did the spooks man get so well animated?

>> No.51358209

>>51358115
>Are they somehow poisoning society as long as they are alive? If that's the reason to kill them then why not extend it to anyone who you judge as poisoning society?

They're not poison so much as an open wound. The death penalty is applied when the courts determine that you're a constant danger to society, unwilling and unable to reform. Usually it only applies to killers, but in Texas and a few other states repeat child molestation will get you the chair. Federally you get it for espionage, treason, or trying to kill an officer of the court trying a case involving a continuing criminal enterprise.

Basically if you can't shape up, and you pose a mortal threat to society if you ever were to be free, we save the tax dollars by killing you. Due to appeals and some failings in the system it's at the point where it's more expensive to kill you than to keep you in a hole forever, but that's unintended. And at least in some cases taking you out of the prison population saves the lives of guards and fellow prisoners.

>> No.51358210

>>51357378
Violence is the natural state of living things. Trauma leads to the mending of muscle to make it stronger. Competition with life on the line gives rise to the resolve to overcome. Evolution urges a species forward not from comfort, but to allow it to better survive the chaos of natural life.

If anything, violence is inherently neutral, often good and occasionally despoiled by unnatural impulses.

>> No.51358253

>>51357917
>We'll put down a pitbull sooner than a child rapist not because the pitbull is more evil, but because it's harder to make it become Lawful.
To be fair it may be more about factors like the pitbull not having human rights and therefore being easier to put down.

There's a lot of breed bias from overreactions to stereotypical stories like you used of pit bulls attacking babies. Some places have outright breed bans and will give orders to kill any such pets in the area, although some of the distinctions between breeds can be vague so it's usually not done very scientifically. Other laws make punishments harsher for some breeds, one incident of any violence and they're killed compared to a lot more second chances and leniency for breeds that we consider cute or harmless which end up harming a lot more people statistically as a result.

Really you'd probably have an easier time "reforming" a pitbull since even dogs that have been abused and raised wrong can become friendly and fairly safe with the right care and understanding, "lost causes" are extremely rare and usually due to terrible owners who are more in need of punishment than the dogs.
It's just an animal though so most people would rather "play it safe" and just kill it because it's a lot easier to do that than with a human.

>> No.51358254

>>51357648
Personally, when you're playing dnd or some other system with an alignment axis I always find that the most reliable way to define good/evil etc. is in the context of the character's god for purposes of continued access to divine spellcasting or not at all in the context of legal punishment against players.

The "gods" in the game are not held up as infallible, access to clerical/paladin powers relies on meeting your particular god's standards of LG/LN/N etc. So what a god like Heironeous defines as "Evil" and empowers you to smite will be Evil for all intents and purposes, even if responding to the Evil in question with violence is objectively stupid or unnecessary doing so is fine and dandy because Heironeous is Lawful Stupid/Stupid good.

On the other hand for the purposes of deciding what the people around the player will tolerate... "evil" isn't really a concern, the law is so as above it really doesn't matter what the motivation is only whether or not the outcome is acceptable or somehow beneficial to society.

>> No.51358258

The only acceptable answer.
>https://youtu.be/No1n9y1JrGM?t=1m18s

>> No.51358282

>>51358099
>I have no idea why people with chronic vagina syndrome feel the need to defend that piece of shit breed.
lol irony since breed bands and legislations usually aren't based on any actual science or statistics but just the whining of feels-driven morons like you.

>> No.51358297

Violence is merely an abstraction of physical actions created by musculature chemistry, which itself is an abstraction of molecular physics, which is itself an abstraction of mathematics.

Mathematics are lawful ergo all violence is lawful.

>> No.51358332

>>51358253
>Some places have outright breed bans and will give orders to kill any such pets in the area, although some of the distinctions between breeds can be vague so it's usually not done very scientifically.
Sounds like liberal propositions for gun control desu

>> No.51358351

>>51358099
The emotional reactionary pleading for mass slaughter based on bait reports intended to play on thoughtless feelings despite the correlation being definitively shown to exist because of the treatment of the breed instead of the breed itself is calling the people who disagree with him "chronic vaginas", and will defend himself not by supporting his claim (that being "independent of treatment the pitbull is inherently dangerous") but by being contrarian without proof and insulting his opponents until they get bored of laughing at him.

>> No.51358362

>>51357378
If life was a multiple choice exam violence would be the 'all of the above' choice.

>> No.51358437
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Yes smiting evil is acceptable. But evil must be first identified.

The man attacking the white male in your picture is a cuckold poo eater. He was identified and found out. See picture related as reference.

There is a continual trend to attempt to dehumanize as anything European, white, normal, traditional as 'Nazi' a catch word, a buzzword to signify 'bad'.

Wise up white man or this will be common occurences for your children. We must ruthlessly punish and destroy any one who would attempt to kill our race and people.

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>>51358437
This is the face of evil.

Know the enemy.

>> No.51358525

>>51358209
>They're not poison so much as an open wound.
You're just being pedantic, whatever the analogy you use the idea is that they must still be doing harm to necessitate killing them.
How about cases of the victims forgiving the criminals and fighting for them not to be killed?
How about the argument that we can study these people to better understand how and why people like them occur instead of sweeping them under a rug and trying to pretend everything is fixed forever.
>The death penalty is applied when the courts determine that you're a constant danger to society, unwilling and unable to reform.
Bullshit, people like that are kept for life all the time and you need to be specific about the danger you're implying if they're already locked away from society. Most death penalties are purely emotional bullshit that they "deserve it" or that if we're "tough on criminals" then other people won't commit crimes which is not backed up by the numbers.

>we save the tax dollars by killing you
>Due to appeals and some failings in the system it's at the point where it's more expensive to kill you than to keep you in a hole forever, but that's unintended
So we don't actually save money, it doesn't matter if you try to make excuses that it's because of things that are "unintended" it's still reality.
Killing someone can cost more than keeping them for life because of all the red-tape and we've already accidentally killed innocent people which isn't going to happen less if we remove opportunities for appeal and shit like that.

>And at least in some cases taking you out of the prison population saves the lives of guards and fellow prisoners
So why not just kill them all to protect the poor innocent guards? Or kill all the prisoners that have ever exhibited any violence?

You're just listing one excuse after another without pulling together a comprehensive argument.

>> No.51358572

>>51358332
Well, they do kinda come from sort of the same place, good intentions but a layman's misunderstanding of the specific facts.
desu that could apply for most shit in the world.

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>>51358525
The difference between poison and an open wound isn't pedantic, though I should have explained it more clearly. In prison they're not a poison to society, because they're contained and aren't actively causing harm to the rest of the public body. They are a drain, representing a continual loss.

>How about cases of the victims forgiving the criminals and fighting for them not to be killed?
How about cases of victims disagreeing when the court sets their abuser free and going for vigilante justice afterwards? You can't call the death penalty emotional bullshit, then say that people objecting to the death penalty because they forgave the criminal emotionally (after he was tried, convicted and sentenced under the law) is more valid. When you submit to the legal system for judgement on a crime, you agree to abide by it's result regardless of whether or not you like it.

I pointed out that it doesn't save money, despite trying to, which is stupid. I'm not making excuses, I'm specifically pointing out a failure of the system to do what's intended.

And you don't just kill every prisoner for the explicit reason, stated at the beginning, of why it's used in the first place - the death penalty is for cases where, as judged by the courts and an extensive battery of legal and psychological professionals, that the person cannot return to society and function normally. Prison is supposed to be both punishment and reform - the criminal goes to an unenjoyable place and is subjected to unpleasant restrictions, and at the same time is given reeducation. At the end of the sentence, they are supposed to not want to go back to prison and have some skills. Does it work perfectly? No. Recidivism is a problem. There's your next out-of-context argument.

Side note, I'm not actually for the death penalty, I'm trying to explain why it's used. It's a comprehensive argument, you just pull it apart into individual fragments to attack each in turn without looking at it as a whole.

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>>51357931
>he doesn't share humanity's common understanding of right and wrong
I wonder who could be behind this post?

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I don't understand what OP's pic means, and this is obviously a bait thread, but let's try discussing this anyway.

In a D&D style world, paladins are at least in theory considered paragons of their deities, or even righteousness itself. This makes them something as an arbiter of justice and a decider of what is good and evil - though they obviously aren't perfect, hence falling and penance.

This makes sense in D&D, where there is almost always evil things attempting to invade, or hide in society. Undead, demons and devils, foul monsters, cruel warlocks or evil cults. You can't rely on the justice and law of the land to deal with the supernatural and inhuman, so paladins are allowed to exist somewhat outside the system and to deal with these decidedly evil things with violence. Almost every time they can be sure their actions are being used to the best effect - D&D encourages straightforward violence against mobs of mooks, and they can Detect Evil if they're not sure if the evil vizier is actually evil. Some players and GMs think a paladin should capture the evil guy like a medieval superhero, but this has never been necessary. In D&D, good and evil are straightforward, and violence is acceptable under a broad series of reasons. Smiting Evil is considered Good because the reasons behind it can almost always be easily justified, as long as as paladin is not an idiot.

In reality, or a system without obvious and constant supernatural like D&D, the subject gets trickier. Violence becomes more difficult to justify for situations that could be as easily solved in non-violent ways. You cannot be sure what is good and what is evil - some things are generally considered abhorrent, like rape, but shooting the rapist still brings mixed feelings. And there are no evil wizards or orcs to be constantly assured is good to kill.

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>>51358210
>Violence is the natural state of living things. Trauma leads to the mending of muscle to make it stronger. Competition with life on the line gives rise to the resolve to overcome. Evolution urges a species forward not from comfort, but to allow it to better survive the chaos of natural life.

Foolish Demon! Begone from this place, it is claimed by Baator!

>> No.51358922

>>51358437
>this person thinks that I am evil, and seeks to do me harm
>therefore he must be evil
>I should hurt him
You're either already aware of the irony, or never can be, but still.
How could an argument like this ever convince anyone?

>> No.51358985

>>51358807
>I don't understand what OP's pic means
This is the first I've seen it, but from comments in this thread I've gathered that some American has punched another American because of their differing political opinions.

>> No.51358999

>>51357768
>things and beings aren't evil
if evil is (somewhat circularly) defined as something that can be destroyed justifiably lots of things are evil, predators, parasites, annoying insects, etc.

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>>51358999
So circular Dead or Alive wrote a song about it. Unless you have a treatise in your back pocket about the objective requirements for justification, literally anything can be destroyed justifiably depending on who's doing the justifying.

>> No.51359134

>>51359060
That's why intelligent beings operate in a network of power.
I can justify to myself why killing my neighboor is justified but there's going to be consequences for me.

>> No.51359156

>>51358922
Isn't that rationale exactly why self-defense is a thing though?

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>>51358437
A man who literally proscribes to Hitler's idea of genociding entire peoples, who ascribes to many of the tenets of nazis, is a fucking nazi. Richard Spencer is a fucking Nazi and deserves his little punch from someone he thinks is a lesser person.

Also, Go back to >>/pol/ nazi sympathizer.

>>51358453
>This is the face of a goddamn hero
FTFY

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>>51358437
>>51358453
>>51359173
All of you go back to your containment board and drink bleach.

>> No.51359206

>>51359173
I'm no polster but a hero doesn't sneak up in disguise, sucker punch the guy and run away.

>> No.51359220

>>51359173
Well, I hope the man punched will get to sue the assailant and justly wins the cause. Freedom of speech and stuff.

>> No.51359231

>>51359156
IMO, self defense is more like
>this person seeks to do me harm
>I must prevent him from doing so

You don't need to say he thinks you're evil (though he might), you don't need to declare that he is evil, and you definitely don't need to define your self-defense as 'hurting them'. It sometimes happens that in self-defense your only option is to hurt them, but hurting them shouldn't be your only option, if you follow my ramble.

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>>51357601
>make the guy who did it and everyone who associates with him look like cunts.

They are fucking antifas. They are cunts by definition.
I don't know how familiar you murricans are with antifas, but here in Europe, they are notoriously just violent druggie thugs that break other people's property, and label ANYTHING they dislike as being nazism, and thus deserving violence. Fuck, they protest and riot against our fucking independence day, going as far as shipping more of their ilk from neighboring countries to cause a havoc here.

They are absolute scumbags and they deserve a fucking bullet to the head.

>> No.51359275

>>51357378
The initiation of violence against another is always evil, this includes direct physical violence as well as threats of violence or violence against property. Self-defense is fine.

Now sucker punching someone because he was saying words you don't like? Evil almost 100% of the time, unless he was actively plotting to attack you or take your stuff by force.

>> No.51359294

>>51359233

In America, the facists are the drug addicts. Look at the demographics of voters and the most rabid trump voters are not only in areas that are overwhelmingly white, but also overwhelmingly mired in opiate abuse.

>> No.51359309

>>51358807
In real life, the equivalent of the evil sorcerer is just Rupert Murdoch

>> No.51359334

>>51359294
Are you implying that trump supporters are fascists?
They aren't the assholes that are trying to violently suppress different opinions, attacking other people and destroying their property due to differing political beliefs.

Anyone who sympathies with antifas is scum.

>> No.51359341

Violence without reason is ecil
Lethalviolence in self deffense or revenge is neutral
Non lethal violence in deffense of one self or others is good

>> No.51359342

>>51359173
That twitter pic has multiple interesting layers to it, the first one being the obvious fact that Apple Pie isn't actually American. The second one is that the guy who made that twitter post probably viewed america as an eebil fascist/racist/sexist state at some point in recent, so to somehow say that opposing nazis is "american" is strange. The most obvious and annoying one is the idea that getting involved in foreign wars, especially ones between major European powers, is somehow a positive American trait. George Washington himself opposed intervention, the idea that it's somehow uniquely American or even good is rather odd.

>> No.51359358

>>51359342
Leftists are patriots only when it suits them.

Their true motivation is simply that they hate european peoples and want to see them destroyed.

>> No.51359397

>>51359342

>WWII
>foreign war

Nigga the US didn't formally enter the war until they were attacked by the Nips and the Nazis declared war on us shortly afterwards.

>> No.51359404

>>51359358
>not hating european peoples

Do you even anglo-saxon, m8?

>> No.51359411

>>51359397

Shhhh no facts allowed, alternative facts only

>> No.51359430

>>51359173
>all those jewish power fantasies

>> No.51359442

>>51359404
I am a Finn. I don't hate other europeans despite the fact that my people were treated like shit by other europeans for wast majority of our history.

But leftists, especially murrican ones, make no fucking distinction between different european peoples anyways. They just see our white skin, which automatically makes us evil in their eyes, and deserving of being wiped out.

>> No.51359464

>>51359442
>I am a Finn.
>I don't hate other europeans

Pick one.

>> No.51359465

>>51359358
>they hate european peoples and want to see them destroyed.

Which is why they espouse European style socialism right? Because they "hate" Europe

Is this some kind of alt-right thing? Tell whoever you're speaking to that those "evil librals" hate them?

>> No.51359478

>>51359397
Nips attacked you because you formed a trade blockade against them.

>> No.51359482

In some regards extreme left is not really the opposite of extreme right. Sure they would not want to "gas the lesser races", but they would want to "work lumpenproletariat to death in labor camps" with is effectively very much the same. Both in the aggressiveness of the agenda and in who is the target group.

>> No.51359492

>>51357527
>>51357560
>>51357698
You can want to punch Nazis while also wanting to punch Commies.

>> No.51359506

>>51359465
They want European socialism to give minorities wealth while simultaneously denouncing white people as a whole. It's cognitive dissonance.

>> No.51359528

>>51359478

Yeah generally you want to do that when your trade partner is using the oil they're buying from you to attack your allies.

>> No.51359551

>>51359334
Red states overwhelmingly take more than they give in federal funding, their white trash shithole towns are a constant drain on America. Trump supporters need to be gunned down en masse and the world as a whole would be better off for it.

>> No.51359552

>>51359464
Just banter m8.
Well, I do resent the Swedes a bit for destroying our pre-christian traditions and myths for the most part, purely because I think that it is a shame that we don't know much of our past beyond the point when the Swedes conquered us due to that. And the Ruskies were brutal cunts towards us too.
But crying about past wrong is hardly useful.

>>51359465
They may like our shitty socialism bs, but they very clearly, hate europeans. Because in their eyes, any European that wants to maintain their homeland ethnically homogeneous (basically, not becoming a fucking minority in their own homeland in the long run), is literally a nazi in their eyes.
I don't know if they realize it or not, but demographic replacement, which is what is going on in Europe right now, is basically genocide. At this rate, in 100 years, Germans will be a minority in Germany, same goes for Swedes in Sweden due to the insane immigration policies the globalist elites running those nations have imposed.
And I, thank you very much, do not want that to happen in my homeland. I want Finland to remain Finnish, and not become some multicultural melting pot where my people eventually will cease to be.
That apparently, makes me an "ebil nazi" in the eyes of the left.

>> No.51359566

>>51359551
Wow, such tolerance.

>> No.51359583

>>51359482
>muh south park "both sides are just as bad" politics

This is the laziest political opinion you can have and the sooner you stop pretending that it's worth anything the better.

>> No.51359599

>>51357378
Allow me to copypaste 3.5 Book of Exalted Deeds.

Violence is a part of the D&D world, and not inherently evil in the context of that world. The deities of good equip their heroes not just to be meek and humble servants, but to be their fists and swords, their champions in a brutal war against the forces of evil. A paladin smiting a blackguard or a blue dragon is not committing an evil act: the cause of good expects and often demands that violence be brought to bear against its enemies.
That said, there are certain limits upon the use of violence that good characters must observe. First, violence in the name of good must have just cause, which in the D&D world means primarily that it must be directed against evil. It is certainly possible for a good nation to declare war upon another good nation, but fighting in such a conflict is not a good act. In fact, even launching a war upon a nearby tribe of evil orcs is not necessarily good if the attack comes without provocation—the mere existence of evil orcs is not a just cause for war against them, if the orcs have been causing no harm. A full-scale war would provoke the orcs to evil deeds and bring unnecessary suffering to both sides of the conflict. Similarly, revenge is not an acceptable cause for violence, although violence is an appropriate means of stopping further acts of evil (as opposed to paying back evil already committed).

cont

>> No.51359603

>>51359552
Ahh I get it, you're just a racist shithead.

Have fun being retarded anon.

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>>51359294
>a good portion of Trumps votes came from areas with heavy opiate usage
>therefor Trump voters are opiate addicts

By that specious logic, Hillary voters are Los Angeles county drug dealing gangbangers.

>> No.51359613

>>51357378
>What about smiting Evil, that's defined as a Good act, right?
It is at best a neutral act according to most laws, and even then those performing the action will be heavily scrutinized, monitored and judged after the fact. Peaceful societies don't exactly treat physical assaults against non-violent victims well.

Of course, in heroic fantasy it is perfectly acceptable and morally sound to kill some orcs. Just don't take that attitude into real life.

>> No.51359616

>>51359599 (yay dubs)
The second consideration is that violence should have good intentions. Launching an incursion into orc territory is not a good act if the primary motivation is profit, whether that means clearing the treasure out of the ruins the orcs inhabit or claiming their land for its natural resources. Violence against evil is acceptable when it is directed at stopping or preventing evil acts from being done.
The third consideration is one of discrimination. Violence cannot be considered good when it is directed against noncombatants (including children and the females of at least some races and cultures). Placing a fireball so that its area includes orc women and children as well as warriors and barbarians is evil, since the noncombatant orcs are not a threat and are comparatively defenseless.
Finally, the means of violence must be as good as the intentions behind it. The use of evil spells, obviously, is not good even when the target is evil. Likewise, the use of torture or other practices that inflict undue suffering upon the victims goes beyond the pale of what can be considered good.
Within these limits, violence in the name of good is an acceptable practice in the D&D universe.

fin

>> No.51359619

>>51359551
Fuck poor people, am I right?
We should get rid of all those lazy Niggers and firebomb their shitty ghetto towns too while we're at it.

>> No.51359633

>>51359528
I guess the isolationist idea is to not have any allies that you care about that much.

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>>51358453
add "Boba Fett" to that.

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>>51359551
>Trump supporters need to be gunned down en masse and the world as a whole would be better off for it.

Wow, what a compassionate and tolerant position.

>> No.51359672

>>51359619
You don't see the irony that the people constantly bitching about welfare are the ones most dependent on it? These hicks voted for a man that wants to slash everything keeping them alive. Rural america is going to burn and they'll have no one to blame but themselves.

>> No.51359674

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

>> No.51359679

>>51359603

>implying racism is bad.
If racism means prefering your own people over others, and wanting to see that your own people continue to exist and have a homeland of their own, then I am as racist as I can be.

Calling someone racist isn't a fucking argument. It is pathetic attempt at shaming and shutting up the person because you cannot argue against their points, and it has lost it's effectiveness nearly completely.
The Left labels anyone who is arguing against the demographic replacement of their own people as "racist" instead of trying engage in an actual argument, and it no longer works. People won't just be silenced and shut up when it has become evident that the only reason mass immigration is happening, is to basically fucking replace the native population in few generations.

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>>51359551
Nice false flag

>> No.51359699

>>51359603
Assuming you're not just trolling, work diversity logic backwards.

Would it be acceptable to take a predominately non-white country and demand they take in massive amounts of whites, allow the whites to practice white culture, and form voting blocs to actively supplant the native culture through implementation of laws?

If that is ok to you then that's fine I guess, but at least be consistent in your positions. I've yet to see anyone yelling at China that it isn't being inclusive enough towards the Irish, that Botswana has an unacceptably low amount of Finnish immigrants, or that those fucking racists in Myanmar need to make room for two hundred thousand Russians fleeing Putin's tyranny.

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>this thread

>> No.51359727

>>51359683
>When you elect an oligarch

Change that to Populist and you'll actually reflect reality.

>> No.51359757

>>51359699
He won't, because "diversity logic" is solely about replacing white people.
That's the only fucking goal they have.

Why do you think that these leftists, that decry patriarchy, fucking LOVE mass muslim immigration? They support the islamic takeover of Europe because it serves their goals completely.
They want to get rid of Europeans, plain and simple.

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>>51359717

>> No.51359805

>>51359583
>Balancing between two extremes is lazy
If anything it's harder than ascribing to an ideology that comes with all the doctrine you need to follow as if it were a religion or sports team.

>> No.51359806

>>51359156
No, it's only self-defense if there's an immediate danger to you. The anon I replied to wasn't saying that if someone punches you out of nowhere, it's okay to punch back, or even that it's okay to punch first when someone's about to punch you. He was saying that we should round up all the people like this puncher, and pre-emptively punch them all.

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>>51359779

>> No.51359850

Well, at least this and the stupid Pence thread are keeping all of /tg/'s armchair natsocs contained.

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>>51357378

>scat fetishist with additional literal cuckold fetish hits well groomed man with children

>fa/tg/uy nerd can only see paladin smiting black knight

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>>51358437
>There is a continual trend to attempt to dehumanize as anything European, white, normal, traditional as 'Nazi'

Ha ha ha no.

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>>51359850
We're posting in every thread you participate in, you just don't know it.

>> No.51359896

>>51359869
Those are some nice oufits, do you have them with different face?

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>>51359877
You'd probably call Gygax a nazi too

>> No.51359912

>>51359877
Problem is, Spencer isn't a National Socialist, so the Nazi label is incorrect.

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>>51359901
Don't you know, that if you don't like someone, he is literally hitler!

>> No.51359924

>>51359877
why do you leftists hate white people?

>> No.51359938

>>51359465
>>51359506
>euro-socialism + nurtured dependency + open borders = cloward piven

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>>51359938
>create so much poverty it goes away

Post-scarcity 101

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>>51359924
Anything to be anti-west, hence the love of Islam, everyone's favorite Religion of """"""""Peace"""""""".

Didn't you know that Muhammad was a Feminist that empowered women?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-garrison/muhammad-was-a-feminist_b_12638112.html

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>>51359599
>>51359616

>In fact, even launching a war upon a nearby tribe of evil orcs is not necessarily good if the attack comes without provocation—the mere existence of evil orcs is not a just cause for war against them, if the orcs have been causing no harm

That's an interesting point, because by standard D&D definitions of Evil they are causing harm merely by existing. If they are not currently harming the Good or Neutral people nearby, they are planning to do so; and even if full war is currently beyond their abilities they are empowering evil deities and extraplanar creatures with worship and sacrifice.

It seems like the violence would be justified under the second criteria, of preventing evil from being done. Orcs are, and will be, Evil. If they are not stopped now, then they will need to be stopped later. It feels like you're playing chicken, except you know some Good person will need to get hit by the car first before you can stop it.

>> No.51359979

>>51359850
>being natsoc is bad
>but being an anti white leftists is okay

>> No.51359988

>>51359173
I can tell you literally have no idea what Spencer believes and have just bought into a media narrative.

Spencer is not a nazi, neo-nazi, or white supremacist.

>> No.51360030

>>51359988
>he wants to move black people out of the usa, he's a nazi!

>just like abraham lincoln, a well known nazi!

>> No.51360038

>>51359973
From the same book:

Of course, good characters recognize that some creatures are utterly beyond redemption. Most creatures described in the Monster Manual as “always evil” are either completely irredeemable or so intimately tied to evil that they are almost entirely hopeless. Certainly demons and devils are best slain, or at least banished, and only a naïve fool would try to convert them. Evil dragons might not be entirely beyond salvation, but there is truly only the barest glimmer of hope.
On the other hand, a good character approaches every encounter with orcs, goblinoids, and even the thoroughly evil drow with heart and mind open to the possibility, however remote, that his opponents might some day be transformed into allies. Creatures that are “usually evil” can be redeemed. This is not to say that a good character’s first thought in an ambush should be, “How can I redeem these poor orcs?” However, if the ambushing orcs end up surrendering, there is ample opportunity to seek their redemption.

>> No.51360039

>>51359973
God damn that screencap story is so insidiously evil.

>> No.51360041

>>51359973
>It feels like you're playing chicken, except you know some Good person will need to get hit by the car first before you can stop it.
nah, see, that's why you hire adventurers to handle things by proxy

if and when they fuck up, you send in the holy templars or whatever

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>>51359552
>I want Finland to remain Finnish
Finland is Finnish BY DEFINITION. If Finland becomes a multicultural melting pot, then clearly allowing it to become a multicultural melting pot was part of the Finnish culture all along.
What you really want is for Finland to conform to the nationalist ideal of Finland that has never existed outside the minds of propaganda artists. Who are "your people", exactly? The "left" is nominally just as Finnish as you, and they don't seem to have a problem with these policies you're opposing. The absolute best case scenario is that you will share the country with tens of thousands of born Finns who will openly call you a nazi, and actively work to undermine everything you try to accomplish. That's what will happen if all the foreigners are kicked out. Should they succeed, in those undermining efforts, you get the melting pot scenario. Do you think of them as your brothers, for being born inside the same national borders as you? Why do you cling to your obsolete nationalist pride, when the opposing proof is everywhere around you?
Your country is already dead.

>> No.51360110

>>51360070
>a mouse born in a stable is just as much of a horse as any thoroughbred!

kek, no wonder the rest of your post is just demoralization, even you can't believe such stupid rhetoric.

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>>51360038
So does this justify militant conversion?

If orcs can be redeemed, but because of their culture they are going to be stuck in the 'usually evil' treadmill, until by happenstance you fight them and try to convert the survivors, aren't you doing them a disservice?

Would the Good action to be to slay their Evil priests, cast down their Evil altars, and try to convert them to a non-Evil deity, in the hopes that some will seek redemption? They can be transformed into allies and redeemed at the same time that you are removing Evil and it's influence on the world.

Not really related pic.

>> No.51360180

>>51359551
>Synagogues overwhelmingly take more than they give in state funding, their Semitic trash shithole towns are a constant drain on Germany. Jews need to be gunned down en masse and the world as a whole would be better off for it.

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Hey kids, have you ever wondered what sort of stick those autistic conservatives have jammed up their ass? Especially the old-school ones, or those libertardian psychopaths like Ron Paul. I mean, how can they be so fucking heartless and not care about the poor and minorities?

Rather than explaining it to you, I'll just point you in the right direction. A journey of self-discovery is always better than a guided tour, as long as you don't get eaten by the local wildlife.

Go look up poverty statistics in the years leading up to the 1964, and the years after 1964 to the present.

If you're lazy, here's the short version, but you should still look it up yourself: Pre-1964 the US spent almost nothing on government welfare programs, and poverty was steadily decreasing. In 1964 we declared WAR ON POVERTY, and have since spent several TRILLION dollars from the public purse to wage this war. Poverty, which was on a steady decline across all racial groups before this policy, has remained almost unchanged since then, and among African-Americans in particular actually backslid to pre-1940s levels.

>> No.51360204

>>51359973
What about the Drizzt Do'Urden types, though? The evil races must be capable of doing good, because they can become adventurers, and adventurers do whatever the fuck they want, sometimes including good.

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>>51360070
>Finland is Finnish BY DEFINITION
Wrong, if you kill off every Finn, and settle the land with Somalis, it is no longer Finland. The nation may be called the same, but what makes Finland Finnish, are the Finns.

> If Finland becomes a multicultural melting pot, then clearly allowing it to become a multicultural melting pot was part of the Finnish culture all along.
Bullshit. These ideas are not native to Finland, they are spread by university campuses that ape american leftists, and quite evidently, hate Finnish culture, nation and our history.

I want Finland to remain a safe nation for my people, were we will not become a hunted minority, like what has happened to South African whites.

> The "left" is nominally just as Finnish as you, and they don't seem to have a problem with these policies you're opposing.
I do not claim that they aren't Finns, but I do claim that they are traitors by definition, for they work towards an agenda, that will undermine the future of Finns, their own kin, their family. So no, I will not call them my brothers. I call them what they are, fucking traitors to our people, and they deserve to die. We had to slaughter commie traitors before, who wanted to sell our nation to USSR just after we gained our independence from the Ruskies. I got no fucking problem with the idea of slaughtering traitors of today, who want to sell our nation and people to the globalist elites on the altar of multiculturalism.

>Why do you cling to your obsolete nationalist pride, when the opposing proof is everywhere around you?
Because nationalism is what saved my people. It was trough the awakening of nationalistic identity that we rose to resist the attempts of the Russian empire to russfiy us, destroy our people and assimilate. It was trough nationalistic unity, that the wounds of our civil war were healed, and we joined together once more to defend ourselves against the USSR in the winter war.

Fuck off with your demoralization attempts.

>> No.51360247

>>51360127
It would be *A* good action to attempt that, but simply defending you and yours and showing mercy to those that surrender would also be Good.

Like, attempting militant conversion has no real guarantee of working any more often, and may only further agitate those same evil forces you're supposed to be working against. Good's always got to be mindful of the consequences of their actions.

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>>51360070
>Why do you cling to your obsolete nationalist pride, when the opposing proof is everywhere around you? Your country is already dead.

>Why do you resist goy? You are already defeated. Just accept the demise of your people already!

I see trough your tricks merchant.

>> No.51360284

>>51357527
>Fascism
>evil
OY VEY

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>>51360221
Finland for the Finns!
Japan for the Japanese!
Israel for the Jews!

>> No.51360310

>>51360070
>Why do you cling to your obsolete nationalist pride, when the opposing proof is everywhere around you?
>Your country is already dead.
A last stand is a noble death.

>> No.51360325

>>51360305
To think that someone would actually object to those statements.

>> No.51360354

>>51357378
>sucker punching a man who was casually talking to a camera literally saying "I'm not a neo-nazi"
>good
Acting like a nigger isn't Good.

>> No.51360367

>>51357527
You are correct, but do you know WHY you are correct?

Can you define and identify fascism objectively? Because if you can't, you're just committing the classic STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE /tg/ sin on a political level.

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>>51359901

>offline

>> No.51360370

>>51359988
>I'm just gonna state without any backing that this guy who calls for ethnic cleansing and uses references to actual nazi germany rhetoric is not a white supremacist

>> No.51360375

>>51360305
You're alright Chaim, don't take a shower tomorrow.

>> No.51360382

>>51360354
That's not the same thing.
Nigger would have stabbed him.

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>>51359988

>> No.51360388

>>51359979
>Implying that either is a smart choice

>> No.51360390

>>51359551
>Red states overwhelmingly take more than they give in federal funding
That is a lie. Also most people on welfare vote democrat and don't pay federal taxes.

>> No.51360401

>>51359979
>It's either the viewpoint I agree with or the polar opposite

>> No.51360403

>>51360386
He's not wrong

>> No.51360411

Violence should always be a last resort. Sometimes, people need to be reasoned with to prevent a greater catastrophe or maintain peace.

If they will not listen to diplomacy, they will listen to my fist.

>> No.51360425

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MkRuV0aCcI

>> No.51360428

>Good
>Evil
Really spooked my ego

>> No.51360449

>>51359672
>You don't see the irony that the people constantly bitching about welfare are the ones most dependent on it?
There's no irony in things that aren't true. The people most dependent on welfare are blacks and Hispanics in cities. They vote extremely democrat.

Even if your lies were true, that'd be a GOOD thing. It'd show the rural white people you're so racist towards recognize a bad thing in their lives and are trying to remove it.

You lose both ways, leftist scum.

>> No.51360450
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>>51360386
That piece of text is taken completely out of context.

>> No.51360456

>>51360403
I'm not gonna indulge you in arguing whether or not he's wrong but he is in fact a nazi, neo-nazi, white supremacist, whichever you'd prefer. That took longer to post than it took to find there's so many examples of it.

>> No.51360461

>>51360110
No, I don't believe such stupid rhetoric. In fact, that's the opposite of what I said. I'm not the one arguing that Finland should be kept "Finnish". Being born in Finland to Finnish parents is no guarantee whatsoever of good moral character.

>> No.51360466

>>51359603
The left will always call you a racist instead of presenting an actual argument. Ben Shapiro is right.

>> No.51360475

>>51360450
wow it's still exactly the same quote

mixed with some more retarded quotes from the other side of the coin too, you sure showed me

>> No.51360479

>>51360386
Richard Spencer did not say that. That was written by someone else. It has been misattributed to Spencer.

Please educate yourself.

>> No.51360491

>>51360305
one of these things is not like the others

>> No.51360514

>>51360475
>implying that the context doesn't completely fucking change what the text means.
You dishonest fucking kike.

Did you fucking read the following paragraph?
Spencer is not advocating for the genocide of blacks. He is making hypothetical statements about black people, which are being made in reality, right now, about white South Africans.

Claiming that Spencer advocates for black genocide is complete bullshit.

>> No.51360515

>>51360127
Well, yea, but what you said is much easier said than done...

Also:
Holding a sword to a captured villain’s throat and shouting, “Worship Heironeous or die!” is not a means of redemption. Sword-point conversion might be a useful political tool, but it is almost entirely without impact on the souls of the “converts.” Worse, it stinks of evil, robbing the victim of the freedom to choose and echoing the use of torture to extract the desired behavior. True redemption is a much more difficult and involved process, but truly virtuous characters consider the reward worth the effort involved.

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this thread is pure chaos

I love /tg/ because everyone wears their hearts on their sleeves and is sincere. It's mostly spared the obnoxious cross posting between /tv/, /v/eddit and /b/ but this thread disheartens me so much.

Look what you've done to our beautiful home. You all should be ashamed of yourselves

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>>51360411

Honestly I used to be really into characters who just punch their way through all their problems.

But lately I've been growing an appreciating for characters who take more abstract approaches to things and only throw down when it hits the fan.

>> No.51360534

>>51360456
Hating blacks makes him none of things; in fact, all it says is that he hates blacks.

For him to be a (neo)nazi, he'd actually have to suscribe to national socialist ideology.
To be a white supremacist, he'd have to belive that whites are supreme over all other races, and that all other races are inferior. His statement does not state that, only that he wants to kill blacks and that they, in specific, are inferior.

>> No.51360542

>>51360515

No, sword point conversion is objectively good. It removes objective elemental evil from the world and replaces it with objective elemental good.

>> No.51360546

>>51360479
He still published it and then wussed out when people called them out on it

You can't try to support ideas like literal genocide and be a spineless cooter about it too

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>>51360542

>> No.51360569

>>51360515
>freedom
>good

>> No.51360570

>>51357378


Violence is a tool. It is not inherently wrong to use force, however there are great normative pressures put in place to prevent us from resorting to violence. This is because States operate based on having a monopoly on violence. It runs counter to a states interest, and indeed to the interest of the collective for individuals to have unlimited right to violence, which is why throughout history there have been limiting forces placed on how and why one could resort to violence legitimately. These forces have just become far more pronounced than they were at any other point in history, to the point where any use of violence even violence used by the state, is being questioned.

>> No.51360574

>>51360514
>expecting someone who advocates for white people who reject white guilt to be murdered to be honest
leftists don't think like functional people, anon

>> No.51360581

>>51360514
h-hey you j-jew don't put my hypothetical genocidal beliefs on the same pedestal as other genocidal beliefs! i-it's not the same!

>> No.51360592

>>51360491
I foresee a future where Europeans are a scattered diaspora.

We'll need the precedent.

>> No.51360602

>>51360534
Read>>51360450
He doesn't even hate blacks or want to kill them.
That outrageous statement is a hypothetical that is made to point out the fact that such statements are being made in real life, about whites in South Africa, and nobody cares.

But of course, dishonest leftist scumbags just take the first paragraph, and leave out the following one that reveals the actual message Spencer is trying to convey, in order to paint him as "literally hitler, genocidal maniac" to suit their own agendas.

>> No.51360608

>>51360574
>implying i'm advocating for anyone to be murdered

i literally JUST said both sides are retarded. please read.

>> No.51360613

>>51357378
is this thread on every board!? i'll try to go to /m/ next they are usually pretty isolated from reality and if that doesn't work /mlp/ i guess. so long brothers!

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>>51360569
i see /pol/ memes are going all out
Is there even a mod on /tg/?

>> No.51360623

>>51360581
>the leftypol faggot is still going
why do you hate white people?

>> No.51360636

>>51360529
Me too Anon. I think it's a very balanced and very characteristically human thing (in the case of non-human characters, the human playing them). We are capable of the greatest good and the worst evil. Psychopaths and Pacifists are just two extremes that don't tap into humanity's potential.

Why be a partial human, when you can be a whole one, using all the tools your intelligence and emotions can give you? It's one of the biggest Humanity, Fuck Yeah! things.

>> No.51360647

>>51357846
but what if the established system is evil? doesn't that make violence good as it destroys that which is evil?

>> No.51360649

>>51357378
Depends on the setting, really.

In standard D&D, violence against evil beings is explicitly defined as good.

>> No.51360650

>>51360386
I believe those statements to be morally wrong.
I also believe that he has a right to say whatever the flying fuck he wants. I don't have to like it, and I might also exercise my right to say whatever I want to call him out for being a scumshit opportunistic e-celeb who deserves to be fucked to death by a horse.

However, I wouldn't commit violence against him just because he said words that I didn't like, and I would expect anyone who did attack him to be arrested the same as if they had attacked a random person on the street for no reason. That's kinda the basis of a functioning democratic society, you don't get to club people over the head until they conform to your ideas.

>> No.51360651

>>51360546
I agree, which is why the left is so clearly evil.

>> No.51360660

>>51360615
>/pol/
>/tg/
>meme
#Spooked

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