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>standard issue gun can fuck up a vehicle
>they can reassemble themselves
>they don't give a shit about Chaos
>Tyranids don't bother them
>they already wiped out this shithole galaxy once
>only needed one resource in DoW

how can other races compete?

>> No.49094693

>>49094676
don't forget their stupid fucking scarabs can just disassemble almost anything and make fucking space fleets out of nowhere, that's right necrons combine the best features of the imperial guard, the tyranids, etc

>> No.49094749

>>49094676
other races don't have the problem over having only 30 waking soldiers at a time.

also they dont' have super-luminal travel

>> No.49094768

Half of them are not awake or have had defects during their slumber e.g. flayed ones. Also they aren't sentient, the normal warriors have no independent wills so they are nothing beyond their leaders.

>> No.49094770

>>49094749
Yes they do. They have FTL that does not need the warp.

>> No.49094774

>>49094676
The only thing really stopping the Necrons from winning is
A) the fact that they're so disorganized when it comes to being a singular force. Some tomb worlds don't even want an empire and are happy just governing their own planet (once it's cleansed of filthy non-crons of course,) and

B) the fact that they're not all waking up on schedule. Some are slower, some go crazy, and some never wake up at all.

We will soon rise brother, the sands of time are but fleeting winds to the deathless.

>> No.49094796

>>49094768
And they STILL shit all over other races. Really makes you think.

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>>49094676
goddamn these guys were OP in DoW now that you remind me

even in the multiplayer where you could abuse how slow they were when it came to map control wraiths basically handwaved all those problems away and then some and they could turtle easily

>> No.49094955

>>49094676
>People legitimately think tyranids could kill off the necrons
>People don't think the necrons would set up a planet-sized bug zapper near the tombworlds to attract the swarms and kill them as they touch down
They wield handheld bug zappers, for god's sake!

>> No.49094996

>>49094770

And before anyone says Dolmen gates, They also have their inertialess faster than Light drives still.

The Webway is just more convenient at getting to some places. Also unsure if Tomb ships can even fit in the webway.

>> No.49095007

>>49094676
>>they already wiped out this shithole galaxy once
Yeah, this is why the Old Ones won the War in Heaven

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>>49094796

The Necrons we see and hear in the fluff are classed as the tip of the iceberg and some of their more bigger, God Killing shit from the war in heaven is still not awakened.

>> No.49095031

>>49094996
I had totally forgotten about the silly Derp Gates.

Hate warp, can't use warp. Hack warp gate! The flying fuck?!

Maybe cut them off the network could made more sense.

Hope Battlefleet Gothic Armada brings Necrons. Beside my Chaos fleet (god it is boring to play and fight chaos) everything is max level by now.

>> No.49095050

>>49095024
It's Arnold Schwarzenegger as T-800, I work at GW.

>> No.49095054

>>49094916
Only in Dark Crusade.
Soulstorm made them utter trash, but at least balanced out the other factions for the most part.

>> No.49095059

>>49095024
Oh my fucking god, what is this shitty and plebeian art?

>> No.49095061
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>>49095054
yeah i meant dark crusade. i haven't played soulstorm. getting torrents to work for GW games is such a bitch

dark eldar tho

>> No.49095083

>>49094996
Then why the fluff says they are doomed to isolation without Dolmens?

>> No.49095227

>>49094955
Tyranids have literally zero interest in a tomb world. They'd avoid them and move on.

>> No.49095254

>>49095007
The old ones lost the war.

Sort of. They certainly didn't actively win, and they had a worse outcome than the 'crons did.

The only winners of the war in heaven were the orks.

>> No.49095287

>>49094996
>And before anyone says Dolmen gates, They also have their inertialess faster than Light drives still.

Where are proofs?

>> No.49095311

>>49095227
All matter is of interest to them. Rocks, minerals, atmosphere - they can make use of every last bit of a world by distributing the elements throughout the fleet. After all, it takes a lot of varied elements to create life, especially en mass.

>> No.49095335

>>49095311
source

>> No.49095384

>>49095254
>The only winners of the war in heaven were the orks
Why does /tg/ act like this whole thing about the Eldar being the undisputed masters of the galaxy doesn't exist?

>> No.49095428

>>49095311
Tyranids ignored lifeless Necron tomb worlds and planets devoid of life. They are after biomass. Getting rocks and whatever is just a bonus.

>> No.49095429

Can anyone give me a tl:dr difference between oldcrons and newcrons? I always get confused.

>> No.49095466

>>49095429
Oldcrons were the lackeys of the C'tan, newcrons are the other way round. Sort of.

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>>49095335

Pic related is the compositional percentages of a human. A single, unspecialized, single species human.

Tyranids are much more varied, and are almost assured to require different elemental compositions for their different species. Almost every single natural element is practically assured to be of use to them - yes, even the highly radioactive ones.

I wouldn't doubt that they have special units to break apart solid stone and strip away planets layer by layer.

>> No.49095509

>>49095054
I dunno, man. I personally think playing "Hunt the Webway Gate" and dealing with Wraithknights backed by Prisms backed by Eldritch Storm was leagues more infuriating.

>> No.49095511

>>49095467
Fine and good but what does the fluff say? Tyranids avoid lifeless tomb worlds.

>> No.49095568

>>49095509
>Wraithknights
Wraithlords, I meant.

>> No.49095596

>>49095511
For now.
Their aim is to consume the entire galaxy eventually.

Don't rely too heavily on official sources, pal. It's okay to take your own jumps in logic, makes things funner, and it's nice to think about things beyond what's been told to you.

>> No.49095623

>>49095509
yeah, the webway hunt was the most annoying thing about dark crusade. and eldar were so good when you let games stretch out like that and they could get the banshee upgrades, transports, and wraithlords (who did like 500 melee damage or something)

also fucking HARLEQUINS with dance of death knocking all your guys down

>> No.49095628

>>49095061
Eh, they're the old DEldar. Who actually kinda look like trash. Comparatively at least.

>> No.49095649

>>49095059
Fan art.

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>>49095628
i like them. they're so over the top in an awesome way

>> No.49095697

>>49095596
>For now.

Says you. However, nobody is interested in your headcanon. Tyranids avoid Tomb Worlds even when they clearly have the numerical advantage.

Their aim is to hunt biomass. That's why they are in the galaxy.

>> No.49095770

>>49095697
Untrue even in the Necron codex, where Tyranids invade a tomb world. Many tomb worlds still have life, not all of them are run by Destroyer Lords.

This whole premise is absurd. The Silent King's main foe is what, again?

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>>49095697

>> No.49095839

>>49095770
Seriously, why I am forced to deal with dumbasses?

I specifically said lifeless tomb worlds. Awakened Tomb Worlds tend to be lifeless because the Necrons purify them of life.

The Tomb Worlds of the Dynasty that the Tyranids invaded were slumbering tomb worlds. Life had sprung on them while they were sleeping. Even then the dynasty sleeping tomb worlds were destroyed mostly by the Imperium blowing them up to prevent the Tyranids from consuming their biomass.

>The Silent King's main foe is what, again?

Tyranids? And why, you dumbass? Not because the Tyranids are a threat to the Necrons, it's because the Tyranids will consume all flesh and by doing so prevent the Necrons from returning to flesh.

>> No.49095864

>>49095839
>Seriously, why I am forced to deal with dumbasses?

youre not
you dont have to reply
as soon as the thread goes to the archives and the sun rises tomorrow no one will care who was right here

>> No.49095884

>>49095788
If I am going to make things up not in the fluff then I am Tyranids are being controlled by the Chaos Gods. Going by that anon's retarded logic.

>> No.49095885

>>49095697
This is factually false. Tyranids strip planets to their mantle, absorb atmospheres and suck up oceans. The only planets they would be disinterested in would be barren rocks that resemble what planets look like after they've consumed one.

>> No.49095903

>>49095864
I do.

Because if I don't stamp it out, I will have to deal with more dumbasses repeating the same bullshit.

>> No.49095928

>>49095903
Anon, I'm not trying to be insulting when i say this. But you seem like you might legitimately have autism.
Not 4chan autism, actual autism. Medically defined autism.

>> No.49095944

>>49095885
In their hunt for biomass. You don't see them doing that to barren lifeless worlds that the awakened Necrons inhabit.

>> No.49095951

>>49095885
Why do they even stop at the mantle? Planetary cores have a large amount of magnetic heavy elements. Getting a fuckton of iron sounds like a good idea to me - its good for blood, after all.

>> No.49095958

>>49095928
Not an argument. Seems like an disguised Ad hom to me.

>> No.49095976

>>49095839
>Awakened Tomb Worlds tend to be lifeless because the Necrons purify them of life.
Still wrong. There are various examples of worlds accepting enslavement when the Necrons arose. Imotekh has a shitload of vassal worlds!

>> No.49095985

>>49095958
I'm not trying to make an argument here, I'm stating that your behavior is extremely prominent in people diagnosed with autism. Have you sought out medical diagnosis?

>> No.49096012

>>49095951
They use Magma Corers for that. They leave it not only dead rock but cold dead rock.

>> No.49096021

>>49095976
You are still an idiot. Tomb Worlds are cleansed of life because they are dwellings of the Necrons. Alien worlds are enslaved.

>>49095985
Because you don't have an the ability to make one and thus go with Ad Homs.

>> No.49096044

>>49096012
Source this because the only source about tyranids harvesting minerals only mentions them eating at the surface crust.

>> No.49096055

>>49096021
Everyone in this thread know's you're wrong but you. What's it like living with that level of delusion?

>> No.49096075

>>49096055
Yet they failed to prove I am wrong in any way. This came out of nowhere which shows you are just trolling. Piss off.

>> No.49096090

>>49096021
There is a Planetary Governor who accepts enslavement by the Necrons who woke up under him.

There were living humans enslaved on Damnos! It's in the book! Even the Oldcrons had slaves sometimes!

>> No.49096100

>>49096021
I'm not attacking you, anon. There's plenty of people with legitimate autism in the world.
Everyone has their own issues, I just think it would be good for you to see if you do in fact have autism or not, and get the aid you need if you do.

I know we're on 4chan, but we're not all going to be assholes who only want to insult you over arguments on the internet.

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>People keep asking for sources on shit
When will this fucking stop? It's the most ANNOYING god damn thing. You might as well just say "I don't believe you and nothing you say or provide will convince me that it's true or sensible" like you fucking mean. Every god damn time.

>> No.49096144

>>49096090
>There is a Planetary Governor who accepts enslavement by the Necrons who woke up under him.

Source this. I have the dexes with me. Ready to look it up.

And the Damnos humans weren't enslaved. The Necron message was simple. "Surrender and die". They were wiping life out of Damnos.

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>>49096137
>>49096144
>The very next post was a sourcefag

>> No.49096183

>>49096159
Far be it for someone to prove that he is right and back up his position, anon. /sarcasm.

I even offered to do the leg work for him. Point out where it's from and I will look it up.

>> No.49096205

>>49096137
>It's the most ANNOYING god damn thing.
I don't believe you and nothing you say or provide will convince me that it's true or sensible

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>>49096205

>> No.49096243

>>49094676
C'Tan are a mess, they care more about rebuilding their own territory than anything else, really groggy after so much sleep.

>> No.49096273

>>49096183
This is a discussion on 4chan, anon. This isn't a fucking thesis paper or wikipedia, where we have to tack on our sources at the very bottom of the page. If you want the kind of discussion with constant reliable sources, go to fucking college or a university.

>> No.49096277

>>49096137
>You might as well just say "I don't believe you and nothing you say or provide will convince me that it's true or sensible" like you fucking mean.

source on this

>> No.49096280

>>49096144
The dudes with collars! In the feast scene!

Aryand, the crownworld of the Nephrekh Dynasty!

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>Colonel Tarn activated a different message spool on the vox-unit. After a few seconds of charged silence an unearthly voice issued from the speakers. It resonated with age and archaic menace, as if drawn from the grave or the depths of a planet-eating black hole.

>We are the necrontyr. We are legion. We claim dominion of this world… Surrender and die.

>‘Throne of Earth,’ Adanar could only rasp. He found his composure again after a few more seconds. ‘Surely, it means surrender or die?’

>Karnak uttered a sombre reply. ‘No, Lieutenant Sonne, the translation is accurate.’

>‘In the Emperor’s name, what are these things?’

>‘Death, lieutenant – they are death. Adanar,’ said the colonel, getting to his feet at last. ‘Take your family and get out of Kellenport. Go south. Do it quickly, before it’s too late.’

-The Fall of Damnos

Not join us or die. It's join us in death.

>> No.49096326

>>49096280
The wasn't Damnos. That was the World Engine, dumbass.

The Necron slave lord brought a small contingent of slaves with him to the World Engine which is a oversized Tomb Ship.

I know what you are doing.

>> No.49096353

>>49096326
I have a distinct recollection of a feast scene in Damnos, with slaves.

Again, Aryand. Check your codex.

>> No.49096374

>>49096326
Continued...

>Aryand

Was a Hiveworld that was invaded by the Necrons. The Necrons didn't come from beneath it

So you are dead wrong on that one. Oh...pardon the pun.

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>>49096353
You
see
>>49096374

You have the recollection of a dumbass, dumbass. The Feast scene comes from the Lords of Borsis short story which is set in the World Engine. Picture related. I know it and the World Engine novel.

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>>49096403
And here is the fluff piece from the dex.

>> No.49096435 [DELETED] 

Look what you did, /tg/. Your 1d4chan article has inspired a whole branch of cretins shitting up DoW threads, parroting uninformed, exaggerated opinions.

>>>350295563

There are more examples than I can think of. For the love of God, make a '/b/-like' disclaimer next time.

>> No.49096459

>>49096435
Wat.

>> No.49096465

>>49096374
So a dynasty decided to settle down on an alien world?

7e codex, it is the capital of a dynasty!

>> No.49096520

>>49096465
>So a dynasty decided to settle down on an alien world?

No, they didn't. They added it to their empire as a vassal world/slave world.

>7e codex, it is the capital of a dynasty!

The Altymhor dynasty is not mentioned in the 7th ED codex.

Fail troll.

>> No.49096592

>>49096520
I said the Nephrekh dynasty, retard.

Check.

>> No.49096662

>>49096592
Wow, you are retarded. Aryand is just some random Imperial hive world conquered by the Altymhor dynasty

The crownworld of Nephrekh is unnamed. What's below is the sum of all the fluff about the dynasty in the 7th ED codex.


>NEPHREKH

>The trinary stars of the Nephrekh crownworld glow golden upon the burnished shoulders of its legions. Rich in the solar wealth of scores of systems, the Nephrekh’s worlds cluster around the galactic core, its radiant brilliance filling the skies of their tomb worlds with a near-limitless supply of energy. From this golden chalice of flame the warriors of Nephrekh drink deep and grow strong.

>Phaeron Sylphek awoke consumed by an obsession with the stars themselves, announcing to his bemused court he wished to drape himself in their molten glory. To placate their lord, the Crypteks of the Nephrekh crafted him a living-gold skin – a gift he has shared with his followers so that they might embody the glory of the triple suns of Nephrekh as they do battle.

Don't trust wikis, you idiot.

>> No.49096668

>>49095623
And Eldar players went and defaced the Dawn of Eldar page. Now it's a fucking boring read, rather then an amusingly, and only slightly hyperbolic thing.

Goddamnit, we can't have nice things anymore.

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>>49096592
Hint: near Fenris.

>> No.49096683

>>49096459

I fucked up.

Whatever, I'm cool now, it's just there's a bunch of faggots citing Dawn of Eldar at every turn, shitting up 40k discussion in /v/, pretending they played the games in the first place.

Now go and rock on, but be more mindful about the hyperboles next time, please.

>> No.49096721

>>49096662
see
>>49096679

>> No.49096742

>>49096721
>>49096679
>>49096679
Then the map is mistaken. Aryand is located in the Altymhor dynasty's space. Happens the current map in the DW also fucks things up geographically

>> No.49096773

>>49096742
You're mistaken, my friend.

I guess that's why the Altymhor Dynasty doesn't appear in 7e, eh?

>> No.49096779

>>49094676
By having less bugs and still having their souls.
And no they did not wipe out the galaxy. Eldar and Orks among others survived just fine.

>> No.49096788

>>49094770
So do the 'Nids. Only they did not suck star god cock for it.

>> No.49096799

>>49095697

Tyranids have uses for tombworlds, lets just remember that from a mining standpoint, the only difference between extracting carbon from your dead body and a rock is the purification process, bot have the same elements and I would guess that a species such as the tyranids that have to cross huge amount of lightyears with an almost unlimitless warpack has star system level of food needs.

Now, there is something that can be used to explain this. And that is density, the swarm that goes first is usually a conquest fleet made of the usual stuff that conforms the tyranids and cleans worlds, but as the swarm advances, the tyranid density increases, hence why they usually steamroll anywhere they go.

This first invasión force have to replenish their loses, this can be acomplished with the usual process where they extract most things from the crust, where they probably retake 80% biomass(biological process are efficient as fuck but planetary level recycling is a fundamental nightmare) lost and the other 20% can be replenished with the worlds lifeforms+wathever you can get extra in the form of gas or crust, hence the swarm increases, and this explains why it makes no economical sense to attack a lifeless world if there are much better targets.

But as the tyranids advance, the core force gets closer, and the core is protected by the outer invasión fleet+wathever they have, so they can have more vulnerable bioforms but more able to extract deeper resources that are harder to separate and use, therefore effectively consuming the planet, this can also explain why even creating a "deadworld barrier" only stops the nyds for a while until the huge flow of resources from the rear allows them to keep moving.

Hence, attacking the necrons, which clearly is a difficult/time consuming/biomass consuming task is just a matter of time/nydconomy.

>> No.49096801

>>49096773
Nope, the map is or there has been a retcon.

And they very map you posted has the Altymhor dynasty on it. It's right of the Eye of Terror.

>> No.49096813

>>49096788
But it sucks though. It gets them to systems but then they have to go STL when they arrive.

>> No.49096857

>>49096801
That's what I mean. They clearly got bitchslapped by the Nephrekh Dynasty and ran away because they tried to enslave a dormant tomb world, so there is no fluff mention.

Meanwhile I see nothing saying the Nephrekhs killed the slaves!

>> No.49096915

>>49096857
>Meanwhile I see nothing saying the Nephrekhs killed the slaves!

There is nothing stating that Nephrekh doesn't follow the policy of other Necron which mandate the annihilation of life upon tomb worlds.

And I find it difficult to believe that a neighboring dynasty wouldn't know about the Crownworld of its rival dynasty. Also after the conquest of a rival tomb world, the Necrons below would have been reprogrammed and their treasures would have been looted.

>> No.49096953

>>49096668
>and only slightly hyperbolic thing
>only slightly
It did a lot of damage, so many anons that never played the game seriously believed that the Eldar were a completely bullshit faction that can't be stopped, have no weaknesses and are the best at everything.
>amusingly
There were jokes in there?

>> No.49097122

>>49096915
There is no evidence either way. And look, Altymhor has no capital at all!

>> No.49097179

>>49097122
So does many other dynasties for a myriad of reasons.

If the Altymhor conquered the Aryand of Nephrekh, then Phaeron Sylphek wouldn't have awakened at all. His household will be put to death and his legion absorbed into the Altymhor dynasty.

>> No.49097264

>>49097179
They poked a sleeping bear!

>> No.49097448

>>49094676
This is the problem with newcrons. Necrons were always OP as fuck fluff-wise but we didn't really know about what they wanted or how many there were. This made the question of "Why haven't they won yet?" easier to answer because we didn't know what 'winning' was for them. And even if we did there probably wasn't enough of them to make that much of a dent.

Then newcrons come along and add not only a goal but more super strong tech (one can turn off suns at will). This makes the question of "Why haven't they won?" only really answerable by "HUBRIS" which is a really fucking uninteresting and overplayed 'why is the BBEG acting stupid?' trait. It's a shame really.

>> No.49097495

Real talk now guys.

Necrons vs Tyranids vs chaos vs orks

The imperium, tau, and eldar aren't included because they most likely wouldn't survive against the superior numbers or ability of the enemy armies.

Assume the necrons awaken fully, eradicate all life from one side moving in.

Assume the Tyranids have spread uncontrolled from the opposite side moving towards the necrons.

Assume the orks are to the north waaaghing on a massive scale down south

Assume that chaos; daemons, marines, have conquered the south, and wrenched open portals to summon more daemons. And are marching to the north

These 4 super powers will meet in the same system, for the final war of the universe.

Which massive army would win?

>> No.49097567

>>49097495
The one the author wants to win. Like everything in 40K.

>> No.49097585

>>49097448
>This is the problem with newcrons. Necrons were always OP as fuck fluff-wise but we didn't really know about what they wanted or how many there were. This made the question of "Why haven't they won yet?" easier to answer because we didn't know what 'winning' was for them. And even if we did there probably wasn't enough of them to make that much of a dent.

Oldcron goal? Their codex said they wanted to enslave the living, seal the warp, and rebuild the C'tan's empire of Destruction.

Why didn't they win yet? Because they and their masters didn't fully wake yet. Only a small fraction of the Oldcrons wakened and only two C'tan Gods were awakened and one of them was in weakened state and needed time to replenish his power.

Going to the Newcrons, What does their codex says? It says they haven't won yet because only a small fraction of them have awakened and that small fraction is suffering from madness and faults. Despite conflicting agendas and madness, the Necrons are steadily awakening and uniting. It will take time for them to fully revive their empire and conquer the galaxy.

>> No.49097712

>>49097585
>seal the warp, and rebuild the C'tan's empire of Destruction.
But how is what I'm getting at. We didn't quite know what that entailed.

We know what taking over the Galaxy or just wiping out every living being looks like in 40K and it would be well within the grasp of a person who has the technology to turn off suns.

Don't get me wrong. I like the concept of the necron empire being tomb king crusader kings. It's a neat and interesting and gives a shitload of room to make up your own shit for your own army. Which is what 40K should be about. I just think they went way too overboard on 'they're super cool and strong and amazing!' stuff. It makes them look like a joke rather than a threat. Something along the lines of them ONCE having the technology to do all this shit Perhaps the Head Science man hasn't woken up yet? Perhaps it's all on an archive on some bumblefuck world and they're all looking for it because whoever finds it is pretty much guaranteed to be the top dog of the Cron Empire due to tech supremacy? makes them much more legitimate in all respects and provides interesting analogues with the Imperium of Man.

>> No.49097866

>>49097495
Orks. 'Crons don't have the numbers on hand, 'Nids don't have the firepower, Chaos doesn't have the directness to stop it.

If all the Orks in 40k were to band into one gigantic WAAAGH!!! there would be next to nothing able to stop them in current 40k.

Eldar skip out and jump in the Webway, Imperium either negotiates a few to go with them or flat out dies, Tau are swept aside.

Nids last the long- And I fucked it up. Didn't read that the 'Crons were fully awake.

Full blown Necron awakening means everything dies. They now have the numbers to fight the Orks, and the Firepower to swat the nids and chaos down.

Eldar beg for mercy, most die, some maybe get enslaved.

Humans stave it of as long as they can, eventually the same thing happens.

Tau just get crushed.

>> No.49098143

>>49097866
Yeah Necrons fully awake are near impossible to defeat. Nothing short of inventing the ACU from Supreme Commander could save the galaxy from them.

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>>49094996
>>49094996
>Also unsure if Tomb ships can even fit in the webway.

5th edition Necron codex:
>Thaszar's vessels have already begun to prowl both the webway and realspace, and the galaxy will surely come to rue the day he reawakened.

6th and 7th edition Dark Millennium:
>Some webway portals are vast, large enough for entire craftworlds to enter, while others might be man-sized.
>The fabled Black Library, the sinister lairs of the Dark Eldar, and an increasing number of Necron fleets are rumoured to be hidden within its many winding corridors as well.

>>49095059
>>49095649
It's a double-page spread in the Escalation supplement.

>>49095311
Pyrovores are an explicit small-scale example, as they break down metal and rock to be eaten by themselves and other nids. The 5e codex also had a hive ship swallow an asteroid, which may or may not tie in with some of the really, really old fluff that made out asteroids to be part of Tyranid ships' regular diet. Even the current codex talks about bio-ships eating enemy vessels, albeit in the context of battle.

There's such an emphasis on Tyranids being after biomass that what they do with the other stuff isn't given much attention. The idea of the hive fleets draining atmospheres and drinking oceans comes up more frequently - or perhaps is just easier to remember - simply because of how huge and grimdark it is.

>> No.49098198

>>49097866
I think you just gave Ciaphas Cain another sleepless night with that one.

>> No.49098464

>>49095928
I'm afraid you might be the one with autism anon. Lacking enough social skills to engage in a topic related conversation, you jumped in with a pointless buzzword accusation for attention. That's a serious sign of autism.

>> No.49098495

Have it ever been said which planet or even corner of the galaxy the Necrontyr were from?

>> No.49098581

>>49098495
The Necronrtyr are said to originate from the north of the galaxy. If I would guess the exact location, then I would say either in the Ghoul Stars or the Halo Stars.

>> No.49098696

>>49096668
What is the balance of Dark Crusade like, anyway? I only ever played the single player and could only really deduce that I couldn't deduce anything at all vs. the AI because they're not very active on the map and usually make all the wrong units

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>>49098495
>>49098581
Specifically, this comes from a line in the 5th edition codex:
>The Atun Dynasty rules many Tomb Worlds on the northern galactic rim - the birthplace of the Necrontyr.

In addition, the Oldcron codex said this:
>The Necrontyr were pushed back until they became little more than an irritation to the Old Ones, a quiescent peril clinging to the outer dark among the halo stars, exiled and forgotten.

Their homeworld has never been named though, as far as I'm aware. Mystery factor and all. But with how anal Newcrons are about lineage and heritage, they surely must know it themselves.

>> No.49098752

>>49098464
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MckXDAYXLB4

>> No.49098792

>>49097495
Nyds

Lets not forget that every single faction you mentioned is limited to one simple galaxy, but the nyds come from another galaxy, but they come from there or they just consumed it and now are continuing? Having another galaxy from which to throw an invasion means that the enemy can't touch while you can resuply as much as you like and create an encirclement which will result in a masive attack from every direction.

Then we have to take into account that nyds are adapters, that means that their strenght is not, magic(chaos), force(orks) or inmortality(nekrons), but rather pure versatility, while the rest are technologically/culturally dead(yes even the orks that are too much focused on war to create an structured society capable of more than just responding to threats) so any barrier that is created to stop the tyranids from advancing will be surpassed or destroyed in which can only be a question of time, meanwhile the swarm is infinite and you can't really destroy it effectively so tyranids are in a perfect position to do wathever they want to anyone.

I also remember some vague theory that said that tyranids are controled by an old C'tan, so maybe is not so much "necrons vs tyranids" but rather just "necrons".

>> No.49099000

>>49098752
I ain't clicking that shit nigga.

>> No.49099009

>>49098792
They consumed twelve galaxies, but such galaxies are no more. There is a finite supply for them - there is no such thing as infinite even in 40k. Once they fully arrive, there will be no reinforcements from them, even if they have truly massive numbers in full.

Good luck adapting to necron bullshit when their empire is in full gear, meaning they have the numbers and resources to completely annihilate whatever tyranids get sent at them. Hell, they could just shunt large masses of the insects into a deserted part of the webway and let the automatic defenses kill them off with no chance of the nids retrieving the biomass.

>> No.49099184

>>49097495
Chaos wins by default the instant the Emperor is taken out. Per canon the Emperor is the only thing holding back Chaos from consuming the universe.

>> No.49099231

>>49099184
Kek
Chaos can't do jack shit to necrons or the tyranids. Both can just shut it off in their local systems.

The capabilities of chaos and the god emperor are greatly exaggerated by tg.

>> No.49099259

>>49099009
> but such galaxies are no more

Then go for the 13ºth, 14ºth and encircle the milky way in the process, when you're not limited to a galaxy the entire universe is your plaything.
>Good luck adapting to necron bullshit when their empire is in full gear

They won't need it though, nekrons can do as much as they know but nothing else, while the tyranids have the brainpower of galaxies to solve their own problems, the only thing limitating their development into gods seems to be their fixation into eating anything but thats it, the ammount of biotechnological adaptations that can be created to destroy nekron thingies is much larger than their capability of being limited to disolving matter.

Even if they create magic "death zones" for anything alive means that the nyds will only have to adapt into using more inorganic materials.

Lets put it in another way; which could win in a battle? A static enemy incapable of switching is stance, or a mobile enemy capable of both tactics and more?

>> No.49099331

>>49098696
Actually fairly even, if you take Necrons and Eldar out of the mix.
Eldar have a slightly better speed advantage in Fleet of Foot(no cooldown run ability), most of their tanks can jump(Tau get that, but their tanks are not as powerful), their Banshees and Spiders can be a nuisance, but their Relic Unit, the Avatar, is not amazing.
Necrons get the cheesiest mayhem in the form of Res Orb, which lets them break their unit cap by building an army, killing it, rebuilding it, then reviving the killed troops. Also their reliance on one resource is strong, and three Monoliths can be a bitch to deal with. However, Nightbringer is bad, and they still need at least five Capture Points to maximize their build time.
Muhreens and CSM are samey, middle-of-the-road, though Bloodthirster tends to outperform Land Raider by dint of landing in a load of dudes and KILLMAIMBURNing. Balanced out by Life Degeneration when not killing. Loyalists have better vehicles, with the Predator's "Lascannons Everywhere" being among the best vehicles in game.
Orks are numbers players, obviously. Meganobz are durable, but still struggle to get into melee because they're slow as fuck, but that can be remedied by throwing them in a Squiggoth. Their vehicles are fragile and inaccurate, but pack some decent firepower.
Tau are between Eldar and Guard, fragility-wise, but their range is better than both. Auxiliaries are a mixed bag, Krootox are light tank-ish. Vehicles are also glass cannons, and the Great Knarlock is kinda shit.
IG fall flat in their infantry survivability, but numbers and being able to bunker in their buildings make up for that. Also their tanks pack serious firepower. Baneblade is a goddamned Baneblade, and chews things up nicely, but so does massed Basilisk fire, and THAT doesn't need to see the enemy to do it's job.

>> No.49099356

>>49099009
I don't think you understand how massive twelve galaxies worth of biomass would be. Even if each necron killed a million tyranids, they would still lose.

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>>49094676
Spamming basic IG infantry squads with grenade launchers two minutes into the match.

> still feel a latent spark of rage thinking back on it

>> No.49099501

>>49095384
To be fair the Orks got into a really BIG fight against a tough as nails enemy, and after that they got another tough as nails enemy. The Eldar got an empire, but they also had to handle the Orks that survived the necrons.

>> No.49099543

>>49099356
>Assuming each necron would only kill 1 million
Kek'd, anon
The necrons are only permanently incapacitated in extremely rare cases.
They can keep killing and killing and killing with no actual casualties.

>> No.49099572

>>49099231
It's explicitly in every single BRB that Chaos is the greatest threat and will win unless the Emperor manages to take them out. Chaos has always been the biggest and main threat of 40k- the most likely end for 40k is that Chaos ends up consuming everything like it did in WHF.

The Necrons and Tyranids also have zero defense against the warp itself once it spills into the materium. They're only able to resist it due to being nice and cozy in the materium. Raw warp matter however dissolves everything that either lacks a gellar field or isn't a psyker.

>> No.49099611

>>49098696

The tier is as follows:

Tau/Cron
Eldar
Chaos/IG/SM/Ork

Hyperboles aside, Dawn of Eldar gets it right when it comes to Eldar advantages. The only reason they're not top tier is their commander being highly situational in T1/2.

Tau have a hilariously powerful (when used right) rushing unit that can shit on buildings. Their infantry can outshoot everything easily, except for Dark Reapers but those have to close the gap. Then there's gamebreaking stuff like Pathfinder's Marking ability (which increases damage taken by 75%) or the t3 upgrades giving your Fire Warriors Terminator-grade armour and even more range.

Necrons had tough units, excellent Commander with plethora of upgrades who was meant to plug any holes and outfight broker stuff. Some matchups vs Crons were pretty unwinnable, like Imperial Guard - the latter could ONLY do an all-or-nothing rush or else you'd lose unconditionally. Cron t3 elites (Pariahs) had 1k health and, when having full pop bonuses, reinforced in 3.3 seconds, meaning they'd almost never die in the field as long as you had the energy to reinforce them.

The rest differed depending on time, SM for instance had the best t2 in the entire game, despite being a mid-tier race. CSM had access to Plasma which, when paired with Berserker Rage, outdpsed every other infantry in the game - and they could also Infiltrate... and there's no hard cap on CSM squads... both races also had access to Rhinos, which were abusable, as they allowed you to vomit out 3 Heavy Bolter squads in a way that bypassed weapon set-up time, while also making them immune to being tied in melee. IG improved with every tier, with t3-4 being very, very strong.

Orks were really fun but you had to bleed your enemy fast. T2 was a dangerous spot for your infantry, you pretty much had to have you enemy on the ropes or invest in vehicles (Killa Kanz had the same armour class Baneblade and other epic vehicles did). Flash Gitz were amazing too.

>> No.49099626

>>49099572
Tyranids make entire sections of the warp go perfectly still by overpowering it with their psychic hivemind bullshit just by being in an area in the material world en masse.

Necrons can completely shut off the warp in their area by flipping a switch on a machine they casually left laying around.

Chaosfag please leavei

>> No.49099665

>>49095227
Not entirely true, Tyranids have on many occasions attacked tomb worlds, they take water, minerals, earth, atmosphere, pyrovores are even designed to melt down metals to be eaten by nids. Often I think nids will pick something juicier over the crons. Also the bit of lore about the silent king trying to wake the nids states that's he doesn't want the younger races feeding the swarms until "even a fully unified necron force wouldn't stand a chance"

>> No.49099666

>>49099611
I wouldn't put Eldar as second tier. For all that people bitch about Eldar, their infantry is total shit. I just circumvented their bullshit by either using assloads of plasma as chaos or artillery. It doesn't matter if you can jink or hide your base when I can just use spotters to find every building and blow it up with heavy artillery/pink horrors.

>> No.49099686

>>49095903
But the more dumbasses you stomp, the more dumbass spores will show up and sprout even more dumbasses

>> No.49099697

>>49099572
That's assuming that the Tyranids and Necrons leave enough humans around for Chaos to turn them into enough portals to break reality.

>>49099259
Necrons can adapt their tactics, they control the battlefields and space, and Necrons are practically limitless thanks to their scarabs.

In a grinding fight between Necrons and Tyranids, the Necrons will undoubtedly win. Why? Necrons recycle their warriors and their weapons destroy the Tyranid biomass. Worst of all, the Necrons will use the scarabs to break down Tyranid corpses and reconstitute them into New machines of wars and fleets.

The Necrons have every advantage except numbers. This means the Tyranids can never win.

The rest of your post is wank not supported by the fluff. Stay in the fluff.

>> No.49099701

>>49099626
Tyranids only do that with the shadow of the warp while in the materium, which does nothing when they're in the warp (which Chaos holds absolute dominion over), and the Necrons no longer have the ability to make pylons, which never even proved the ability to work.

Besides, this is all officially from GW in every single Rulebook for 40k made. GW believes that Chaos is the most powerful faction and thus it is. The only thing that matters is what GW thinks. Once 40k inevitably gets Age of the Emperor, it's going to be Chaos that sweeps everything away, again.

>> No.49099713

>>49099686
I know but I won't cease my noble and yet futile duty.

>> No.49099720

>>49099572
I've said it before but chaos is written as the big bad, and acts like the big bad, but against the actual stuff the crons and nids do they just don't seem so bad? Tyranids have done more damage in 200 years than chaos in 10,000, the nids and crons just have a much more immediate threat, chaos and orks are more a constant threat deal

>> No.49099723

>>49099665
Cite a single example of Tyranids attacking awakened Tomb Worlds, you lying piece of Tyranidfanboy shit.

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>>49099701
>The only thing that matters is what GW thinks

>> No.49099754

>>49099720
>Tyranids have done more damage in 200 years than chaos in 10,000,

Objectively wrong. The HH alone trumps anything the Hive Fleets did.

The Black Crusades are viewed as a more pressing threat than the Hive Fleets.

And lets not forget the "Great Awakening" in which Chaos in a single moment destroyed a thousand worlds. Something that would have taken years or decades for either the Necrons or Tyranids to accomplish.

>> No.49099788

>>49099666
>It doesn't matter if you can jink or hide your base

Why would I do that when my infantry does more damage than yours, has more health than yours, moves faster and is being supported by vehicles who are ridiculously cheap at what they do? Defiler will lose to a Wraithlord even if the latter has no HP upgrade, Vypers/Harlequin keep your infantry permanently on your ass while Warp Spiders teleport around, being untouched by melee. Their infantry is ridiculously cost-effective compared to other races'.

Seriously, Eldar start the match with an attrition war that you cannot win (unless you're Tau). Fleet of Foot allows them to pick their fights and retreat unmolested. If you fuck up and commit too much to the fight you'll be chased down thanks to FoF and, unless you have an upgraded LP, lose your units. Depending on the map, there's a very good chance you're not getting to t3.

>> No.49099812

>>49099749
So you're able to legally publish your fanfiction, and your headcanon has any effect at all on what happens to 40k?

>> No.49099850

>>49099788
What? Eldar infantry is complete dogshit, they don't hit hard enough and their pathing is a pain in the ass. I far much prefer getting a shitload of heavy bolters at the start of the game and turning my Chaos/Space marines into mobile turrets.

>> No.49099892

>>49099788
>has more health than yours
Yet again someone that gets his infos only from Dawn of Eldar.

>> No.49099899

>>49099754
Tyranids have already caused the biggest exterminatus of planets since the HH, they have destroyed (forever) entire sectors, the imperium would have to increase the IG 500% in size in order to fight them currently which is why they pushed them at the orks (which the nids and orks are benefitting from)

>> No.49099913

>>49099626
>Tyranids make entire sections of the warp go perfectly still by overpowering it with their psychic hivemind bullshit just by being in an area in the material world en masse.

Tyranids don't calm the Warp. They fill it with their psychic presence.

Even then the Tyranid Shadow in the warp does fuck all to Warp rifts and Chaos storms. In fact, Tyranids flee from Warp storms rather than going near them.

There is two examples of Chaos rifts opening within and between Tyranids hive fleets flooding them with daemons and causing their destruction.

Also remember the time Slaanesh got bored of waiting and slapped the Hivemind aside to consume the Eldar souls of Duriel.

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>it's another necron wanking thread

I swear their players and fans are worse than tau.

>> No.49099974

>>49099723
I never said awakened?

>> No.49099975

>>49099892

I played over 2k games in Dark Crusade, with 60% of them being Eldar until I started playing as other races.

You and >>49099850 both seem to be basing your opinions on Single Player or AI skirmish. Stuff like

>I far much prefer getting a shitload of heavy bolters at the start of the game

has no place in actual multiplayer because you're not going to have bolters early as SM, whereas CSM is much better off going for Lord/Raptor harass instead.

Realistically, by the time you can field bolters in numbers where it makes a difference, Eldar will have Wraithlords/Warp Spiders queueing up.

>> No.49100016

>>49099331

You don't go Tau for the Knarloc, because as you mentioned its rather shitty.

The two hammerheads, on the other hand, are BEASTS. I remember winning games by leaving my entire army home to play defense on anyone who came looking for trouble and just ending my two Hammerheads out alone with a squad of stealthsuits to act as spotters. Outranged turrets and killed buildings fast. And those burst cannons would eat squads of enemy troops for breakfast.

>> No.49100022

>>49098143
I'z foindin yous lak a 'aith en Gork a' Mork unsettlin.

>> No.49100038

>>49099899
Guess which threat the Imperials are focusing on. The 13th Black Crusade. The Hive Fleets are secondary consideration.

Also forgetting the Warp storms that are breaking into reality in the Age of Ending? The countless daemonic incursion that are flooding the galaxy as walls of reality are crumbling. Psykers are emerging rapidly and many are exploding into daemons rifts. The light of the Golden Throne is receding leaving an entire Segmentum Obscurus in the dark lost to Chaos rebellions and worst.

The Emperor is freaking dying. He is on his last legs. The moment he kicks the bucket, every human being in the galaxy will fall to Chaos and be transformed into a living Chaos rift spewing the Warp in reality destroying the galaxy forever.

What is the bloody Tyranids and Necrons compared to that? They are laughable. Two snakes thrashing around while the great beast is minutes from breaking out of his cage.

>> No.49100078

>>49100016
>>49099331

Greater Knarlock will kill any other relic unit in a 1 on 1 fight. That's its only advantage/use in the game.

>> No.49100108

>>49099975
>you're not going to have bolters early as SM
That's t1, anon. And Eldar still don't have more health.

>> No.49100136

>>49099974
Then you have ZERO point. Because slumbering Tomb Worlds, after 60 million years, have life on them either through races thermoforming them or simple natural genesis.

Tyranids avoid awakened Tomb Worlds since they are barren. They don't care about any substance on the planet and would just look for other targets. The only times Necrons and Tyranids fought each other is when they engage each other in areas where life exists.

Heck, forget that. Why didn't the Tyranids harvest the worlds that the Imperium and Eldar cleansed life from? Why did they starve and grow weakened when there were so many barren sucks to consume? Because their primary food source is biomass.

>> No.49100148

The problem with this is that orks are eternal, there's no way beyond exterminatus to get rid of them. Thier WAAAAGH!!! can literally warp the immaterium, and materium, to retarded levels, and if a strong enough warboss appeared, everything is fucked, as the green tide would literally stretch across the stars. also, should orks get nukes, everyones fucked

>> No.49100160

>>49100148
>and if a strong enough warboss appeared, everything is fucked

You mean like the Beast? He was defeated.

>> No.49100185

>>49100160

Nah bigger

Also have they released info on how he was defeated yet?

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>>49100185
The Beast was the biggest Ork we know about. He is ten meters fall and a hulk in mega armour.

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>>49100214
He was last seen fighting Vulkan. Whether he died in the fight is unknown. The series continues so we will know what exactly happened to him later.

But from the fluff we know that he will be stopped by the Imperium eventually.

>> No.49100267

>>49100108

t1 only gets you Flamers. You need t2 for HB/RL.

>And Eldar still don't have more health

Reapers have 450/head, SM 390. Reapers have better armour class in this fight, dealing almost 20% more damage to SM than vice versa. Most importantly, Repers have better range (30 vs 25), meaning SM have to spend time closing the distance to start dealing comparable damage. And this is without bringing Rangers into the equation, who'll break SM's morale in two volleys, while being effectively untouchable: the only detector SM have in t1 is Skull Probe, who requires an Armoury. If you buy the Armoury with the sole intention of getting a probe, you've already lost the game because Eldar will be capping the map like crazy since you can't afford troops to contest the map.

Oh, and t2 Warp Spiders/Fire Dragons have nearly twice as much HP as Tacs.

>> No.49100367

>>49100214

Let's consider the war of the octarius

If the orks were to win that war, then they would be quite literally the strongest orks ever created. The leader of that WAAAGH might be even bigger than the beast.

>> No.49100380

>>49100148
>The problem with this is that orks are eternal, there's no way beyond exterminatus to get rid of them
Fire works fine. You just gotta be REAL thorough.

>> No.49100391

>>49099572
>greatest threat
Only to humanity, fool. Not anyone else.

>>49099754
>"Great Awakening"
Celestial Orrey?

>>49100038
Bad wanker. Stop wanking.

>> No.49100404

>>49100367
Nobody in 40k is biggah that Ghazghkull

>> No.49100422

>>49094770
>They have FTL that does not need the warp.
And nobody's reverse engineered beca-Oh who am I kidding, it's 40k.

>> No.49100427

>>49100404

Maybe Ghazghkull goes to Octarius and powers up.

>> No.49100433

>>49100391
>Only to humanity, fool. Not anyone else.

And to the Eldar and all the galaxy because if Chaos wins it will destroy the galaxy and everything in it, idiot
.
>Celestial Orrey?

A trinket Necrons will never use offensively since they would end up destroying themselves with unexpected chain reactions.

Chaos cares not for the galaxy and is posed to destroy it.

>Bad wanker. Stop wanking.

Everything I said comes from the fluff.

>> No.49100463

>>49100433
>Chaos wanting to kill the only thing that sustains it
???

>> No.49100464

>>49100267
And it's nice that Reapers have a bit more health than the average Eldar units, they also have less numbers than a space marine squad and are not the only units they field. The Eldar are still the squishy race.

>> No.49100470

>>49100427
He went to Octarius and rescued its capital from from falling to the Tyranids.

He is currently fighting there waiting or his Meks to complete work on the teleporta that will send him back to Armageddon

>>49100367
Ghazghkull is the boss there. He took over.

>> No.49100506

>>49100463
Chaos doesn't need the galaxy to sustain it. What's the matter? You never bothered read the fluff.

Here is what the fluff says what will happen if Chaos wins :

"No space. No time. Only Chaos eternal".

>> No.49100549

>>49100433

>And to the Eldar and all the galaxy because if Chaos wins it will destroy the galaxy and everything in it, idiot.

They can't exist in a galaxy of Necrons, Orks and Tyranids, fampai

>A trinket Necrons will never use offensively since they would end up destroying themselves with unexpected chain reactions.
>Chaos cares not for the galaxy and is posed to destroy it.

They're capable of rc detonating stars. They can survive chaos. The point is that they have that kind of technology and space science.

>Everything I said comes from the fluff.

Sorry, the two snakes bit triggered me hard.

>> No.49100559

>>49100506
YOU never read the part where it needs the collective thoughts of creatures to remain as it currently is, primarily humans.
Without thought, the warp is calm and still. An unmoving sea.
Chaos cannot exist in such stagnation. They need life to exist in the galaxy if they wish to persist there.

>> No.49100595

>>49100549
>They can't exist in a galaxy of Necrons, Orks and Tyranids, fampai

There won't be a galaxy anymore if they win.

>They can survive chaos.

No, they can not.

Chaos will obliterate time and space in the galaxy. There will be nothing left in the galaxy by a seething tide of Chaos.

And in case you didn't know, Necrons kinda need space and time for their stuff to work.

>> No.49100619

>>49100559
Except that time would cease to exist. Ergo, Chaos will be in an eternal limbo where they would torture the souls of mortals and party for all time.

Also there are other galaxies out there.

>> No.49100640

>>49100595
but a seething*

>> No.49100678

>>49100595

>There won't be a galaxy anymore if they win.

They can't win. It's not possible. How do they go from not being able to kill a corpse to doing what Necrons, Orks and Tyranids already do?


>No, they can not.
>Chaos will obliterate time and space in the galaxy. There will be nothing left in the galaxy by a seething tide of Chaos.
>And in case you didn't know, Necrons kinda need space and time for their stuff to work.

Except nowhere do they show or hint to this power. Necrons can literally create both space and time. This is shown in a lot of their weaponry.

I like to imagine it's shown in all of their technology. Armor polish that polishes by reversing time around it to the time that it was made.
that's just my headcanon though and I accept that as the wank it is, unlike you

>> No.49100683

>>49100619
>Kill all life in the galaxy despite life sustaining you
>Somehow doing this makes you powerful enough to ,break time'
>Mortals magically kept alive and not melted into the warp like 99.999% always are
I believe you, anon

Lets not even mention the fact that the chaos gods have no existence outside of the galaxy :^)

>> No.49100694

>>49100595
They possess tech capable of stemming and retarding warp energy. Why do you think the Cadian gate exists? Necrons can make their own time and space, Chaos can go fuck its mother.

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Here is the related piece of fluff. This fluff was copypasted from 2nd edition to the current edition which is the 7th, word for word.

Chaos would extinguish all life, time, and space in the galaxy and then replace it with eternal Chaos.

>> No.49100750

>>49100708
GW contradicts its own facts in massive retardation, what else is new?
Next order of business.

>> No.49100768

>>49100678
>>49100683
You two /v/tards, see >>49100708

The firs is a moron who doesn't bother reading the fluff and the other is pretty much the same.

>>Mortals magically kept alive and not melted into the warp like 99.999% always are

Souls claimed by Chaos don't fade away. That's why you see human souls in torment inside the Realm of Chaos.

>Lets not even mention the fact that the chaos gods have no existence outside of the galaxy :^)

Objectively false.

Chaos has attacked Necrons dimensions and invaded the Shadow realm of the Mandrakes. Realms that exist outside the universe let alon the galaxy. Also the fluff mentions that tge Chaos power in universal.

>> No.49100792

>>49100750
Nope, there is no contradiction. you are simply an idiot with wankery and headcanon that just got invalidated Instead of admitting you were wrong, you are trying to sweep it under the rug.

>> No.49100796

>>49100708
this is true and canon and also destroys the concept of Chaos and makes it a far less complex and arguably more boring force of just kinda badevilpower

>> No.49100834

>>49100768
>>49100792
The big four are the chaos gods of this galaxy.
Other life-bearing galaxies have their own big chaos gods (not neccessarily evil, like these ones, either).
The big four only operate in this galaxy. That was already confirmed a fucklong time ago.
Chaosfags please leave with your edgy retardation and go elsewhere.

>> No.49100845

>>49100796
>destroys the concept of Chaos and makes it a far less complex

I don't see how.

>> No.49100857

>>49100559
No it doesn't. The fluff also mentions that Chaos is multi-universal, it can draw strength from other dimensions/universes and there are already populations of humans and other creatures within the warp itself enslaved on Daemon Worlds.

>> No.49100879

>>49100857
The warp is universal.
Chaos is not.

>> No.49100882

>>49100834
Noice headcanon.

>The big four only operate in this galaxy. That was already confirmed a fucklong time ago.

It's confirmed nowhere. There are no other Chaos Gods but the four.

In fact, I just told you examples of the Chaos Gods not only operating outside the galaxy but outside of the universe by assaulting realms in other planes of existence.

>> No.49100900

>>49100768
Agree with everything except:
>Also the fluff mentions that the Chaos power in universal.

Where does it say that? Because I have never heard of anything happening in 40k lore- at all- that doesn't either happen in the milky way or some kind of alternate dimension of the milky way (like the webway, the warp, or the aforementioned mandrake place).

>> No.49100904
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>>49100879
Chaos is the Warp and the Warp is Chaos. The two are indivisible.

You are studiedly wrong.

>> No.49100913

>>49100882
There are tons of chaos gods.
Within this galaxy, the big four ate just about all of their competition except for each other.

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>>49100882

>> No.49100923
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>>49100900

>> No.49100925

>>49100916
Necoho is best god. All hail Malice.

>> No.49100936

>>49100834
We're only posting official GW fluff that's even sourced, you're the fuckwits too butthurt by Chaos to accept that it's the most powerful per canon and making up retarded shit like-

>Other life-bearing galaxies have their own big chaos gods (not neccessarily evil, like these ones, either).
Which is shit-tier fan fiction at best and has zero evidence in the fluff. The Four Chaos Gods are the only Chaos Gods.

>> No.49100939
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>>49100708
>No physical matter.
>No space.
>No time.
>Only Chaos.

So there's something. People, and especially the three races I've been repeating, can survive in the realm of Chaos. It wouldn't make much of a difference to them.

>>49100768
>Doesn't bother reading the fluff.
Yet somehow you miss the part where the need coherent thought to exist at all

>>49100857
Ohhh so they do need to draw strength from somewhere? Something doesn't add up, boi. But wait, we haven't heard anything about out of galaxy stuff? Something's fucky

>> No.49100940

>>49100904
There was a time where the Immaterium wasn't as fucked up by the Old Ones & Necrons.

>> No.49100947

>>49100913
You mean minor Chaos Gods who stem from the Four. The only true Gods of Chaos are the Four.

>>49100916
Never existed in 40K and Malice is Greater Daemon tier.

>> No.49100952

>>49100916
Behold, a Chaos God that was retconned over twenty years ago. There are only four Chaos Gods according to GW.

>> No.49100984

>>49100939
>So there's something. People, and especially the three races I've been repeating, can survive in the realm of Chaos. It wouldn't make much of a difference to them.

Are you an idiot? Necrons and Tyranids will be turned to mulch like everything else.

>Yet somehow you miss the part where the need coherent thought to exist at all

No time. So the power of Chaos will never wane.

>>49100940
>>49100940
You mean a time that the Chaos Gods didn't want to excerpt their power on reality. Remember that the Chaos Gods elevated Be'lakor millions of years ago as their firstborn, the guy who has memories of the Necrontyr first Necropolis.

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>>49100923

>> No.49101005

>>49100947
Nope, I mean that once, when the gods were all young and newly formed, there were other gods, each an embodiment of other aspects of mortals.
And, one by one, the gods fought and consumed one another, until just a few remained. Not all of the gods were equal in strength, some concepts were simply that much stronger than others. What is Justice against a plague? What is honor in the face of animalistic bloodshed? Concepts that exist within life, certainly, but nowhere near as strong as the four were.

>> No.49101036

>>49101005
That's headcanon and never appeared in the fluff. I think you might have either taken it from 14dchan or Alfaabusa videos. Dear god.

>> No.49101037

>>49100998
Why does it specify "in his mind" there?
It makes it sound like he THINKS he listens to that shit, but it might not be true.
GW writers need to seriously get good, unless that was the intent.

>> No.49101039

>>49100984

>Are you an idiot? Necrons and Tyranids will be turned to mulch like everything else.

How? What's your reasoning?

>No time. So the power of Chaos will never wane.

Necrons can literally create time and space. It's like their thing. Fucking up Chaos is also a thing they're good at.

>> No.49101053
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>>49100998
>The Avatar [of Khorne] feasted on the slaughter it had caused, sensing the oceans of blood yet to be shed through the gateway its sword, bloated with death, had torn in the world. Galaxies of billions upon billions of souls awaited harvest and feeding to the Blood God. There were realms where the time it had wasted here was but the blink of an eye, where there were slaughters that would perhaps one day assuage Khorne's hunger.

>Awful knowledge flooded Uriel as he stared into the portal opened in the fabric of the universe. He saw galaxies of billions upon billions of souls harvested and fed to the Lord of Skulls, the Blood God. 'Emperor's mercy,' wept Uriel as he felt each of these deaths lodge like a splinter in his heart. New life and new purpose had once filled these galaxies, but now all was death, slaughtered to sate the hunger of the Blood God...

-From the Ultramarine Omnibus

>> No.49101066

>>49101036
I hate people that take him as a GW writer, or worse only know 40k lore through him.

>> No.49101078

Is Chaos the worst thing that happened to wh40k?

>> No.49101085

>>49101039
>Necrons can literally create time and space. It's like their thing. Fucking up Chaos is also a thing they're good at.

They do not. They bend time and space like clay. Chaos will take away their clay and them as well and turn them into mulch.

The whole galaxy will be flooded with Chaos. Every meter of it. Chaos will uncreate/unmake everything.

>> No.49101093

Itt chaosfags get hardcore autistic and furiously reply to every post

>> No.49101107

>>49101037
Because he is a sentient thinking being with a mind of his own.

He hears their dreams and wishes inside his godly mind. He is made of the stuff after all. They are his being.

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>>49100038
>Implying the Emperor will not resurrect instantly and lead the Imperium into another golden age
Stop being heretical anon.

>> No.49101121

>>49101093
>Anti-Chaosfags throw headcamon and get made when people point out the real fluff for them.

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>>49101115
Only can happen if he can successful guide humanity through its evolution. This requires the warriors of the Imperium to buy him time. Time that Abaddon will not grant.

>> No.49101167

>>49101107
The intent would be better without specifying "in his mind".
For an example on why it's inappropriate for an objective statement of fact, compare it to the following:
"In my mind, getting rid of immigrants will fix america's economy."
It comes across as a delusion or opinion, rather than something more solidly factual.

That's just me picking on the structure though. It bothers me.

>> No.49101171

>>49101066
I know, right?

I wish he would put a disclaimer in his videos so that newbies won't get confused.

>> No.49101177

>>49101138
Abaddon is a tough fucker, I readily give you that. But I seriously doubt he can beat the Imperium.
Fuck up a bunch of worlds, spread chaos, and be a major asshole, but actually beat the Imperium? I have my reservations.

>> No.49101192

>>49101138
>Implying chaos won't get impaled on massive fungal ork cocks in the middle of trying to crusade
A war like that is too good for them to pass up

>> No.49101197

>>49101167
I think they were trying to convey the image of Tzeentch as a mystic or a sorcerer cause ,you know, he is kinda the patron god of mystics and sorcerers.

>> No.49101198

>>49095311
Hive Fleets avoid Tomb World like the fucking plague. So much so that the Imperium has taken a habit of exterminatusing worlds that Tyranids turn 360 degrees and walk away from.

>> No.49101226

>>49101198
Source?
Sounds really neat.

>> No.49101271

>>49101177
The fluff says that these are the last days of the Imperium.

The main rulebook has a big hourglass with bloody sand. The upper part is the symbol of the Age of the Imperium.

The lower symbol is the Age of Chaos. As you flip the pages of the timeline section, you will notice that hourglass sand is dropping into the Age of Chaos half. By the time the timeline stops at 999 41K, there is a but a sliver of sand remaining in the Age of the Imperium upper half.

>>49101192
Gork and Mork are mobilizing their prophet to thwart the plans of the Chaos Gods, and the Ork Gods are fighting against the daemon hordes.

>> No.49101277

>>49096273
No, you fuck off.

When sources are provided everyone learns, especially us nerds.

>> No.49101278

>>49101198
>Tyranid fleet stops a moon's distance from a planet
>Long range observation shows the bioships slowly turning a full 360 degrees until they face the planet again
>Red bioluminescence illuminates the rear of the ships as they begin to drift backwards, away from the planet
>They maintain this until they leave the solar system
Call the commissar.

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>>49101085

>>49101171
I swear, he knows and likes it that way. His videos aren't even funny

>> No.49101336

>>49101277
Look, pal.
Im not going to autistically post my sources for every little god damn statement.
Stop asking for sources. I'm not going to give you one.
I will ADAMANTLY REFUSE to give you sources, especially if you ask for them.

Get fucked, shithead.

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>>49101336

>> No.49101354

>>49101226
He is exaggerating. There three examples of Tyranids avoiding Necron related celestial objects.

First, is Dyson Sphere that hinted contain the Outsider.

Second, the the Tomb World of the Solomance which is the Tomb World of Trazyn the Infinite. The Tyranids gave the world a wide breadth and looked for other targets.

Three, is the Tomb World of Overlord Zarathusa after the great explosion burned nearly all life from the system.

>> No.49101387

How do the tyranids even know what has life on it and what doesn't?

>> No.49101402

>>49101271
>Gork and Mork are mobilizing their prophet to thwart the plans of the Chaos Gods, and the Ork Gods are fighting against the daemon hordes.

>Emperor resurrects and gives the imperium direct commands once again.
>Tells them to stop fighting the orks and eldar for a bit while they sort the chaos shit out.
>The three races of the old ones standing before the forces of chaos, separated by voids of space to prevent bickering, but still working together to hold back the chaos gods.

I don't know about you, but that sounds cool as shit to me.

>> No.49101424

>>49101387
Maybe they can sense their psyches in the warp?

>> No.49101435

>>49101402
This sounds actually really neat.
And maybe a little bit plausible? I'm not an expert on Warhammer 40k lore.

>> No.49101486

>>49101387
They send scout organisms (genesetalers) to look and create beacons to attract them.

Also Hive ships can detect psychic and energy immersions. What attracted the Tyranids to the galaxy in the first place was the implosion of the Warp beacon of Sotha in the HH. This sent a signal that traveled until it was picked up by the Tyranids in the void between galaxies.

Hive Fleet Behemoth movements actually followed the signal's direction which is why it mostly wen into a straight line rather than attack from different directions like most other Hive Fleets.

>> No.49101493

>>49100998
>>49101053
Oh shit, who let the Chaos wankers into the fluff department?

Christ thats terrible lore that, in my mind, devalues most of the shit going on in 40k. Since when is Chaos a universal thing? Shit earlier fluff had Genghis helping spawn Khorne, and the black plague help nurgle.

Whats the point of anything if Chaos is in every galaxy? How haven't they already won? How did the Nids eat 12 galaxies with Chaos there?

Chaos was the greatest threat to the Imperium not the Galaxy. Who ever let that change was an idiot.

>> No.49101504

>>49101486
emissions*

>> No.49101521

>>49101486
>What attracted the Tyranids to the galaxy in the first place was the implosion of the Warp beacon of Sotha in the HH.
Warning terrible writing alert. Recommended cause of action ignore it like the rest of the BL "canon".

>> No.49101544

>>49094676

Actually, the Tyranids are why the Silent King broke his self imposed exile, so clearly they ARE enough of a threat to concern the Necrons. Given how fractious or insane the dynasties are, their victory isn't assured, either.

>> No.49101556

>>49101493
something something, warp bullshit, time doesn't apply. who cares this is why headcanons exist

>> No.49101571

>>49101544
So you've read the start of the Necron fluff, thats nice.

Come back and tells us when you get to the part that explains why he came back, then you can talk with the big boys ok?

>> No.49101585
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>>49101493
You

see

>>49100708
This fluff was a thing since 2nd edition. Straight outta Codex Imperialis.

You are just awakening to old lore that been copypasted since forever.

And why Chaos hasn't won? Because time is meaningless in the Warp. They can afford to take their time and toy with the galaxy. Also they view the Great Game of Chaos as more important than whatever is happening in the galaxy.

>> No.49101597

>>49101521
I dunno, sounds kinda cool. A big enough warp event attracting the tyranids, particularly if it was a cockup by the imperium, sounds pretty typically 40k to me.

>> No.49101620

>>49101053

>using out dated BL books as canon

Nah, just nah son

>> No.49101690

>>49101585
Ewww see what I mean. It just lets smug chaos fags mastubate all over lore threads. It'll be fantasy all over again.

2nd edition fluff was changed for a reason anon. With Chaos the 'rules' were still being decided upon as to how it all worked, and if you using that book as a source you'd know that. Khorne had an honourable side and all that jazz.

Its cool that you like chaos anon but if you can't see that changes that help your faction but hurt the game, then you're still losing out.

>> No.49101730

>>49101597
Astronomicon. Literally the only thing letting the Imperium exist. So exactly the same thing except not ham fisted into previous lore to sell a book.

Plus I kinda like the image of the nids as a giant moth being attracted to the bug zapper that is 40k.

>> No.49101822
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>>49101690
Page 11. Codex Imperialis. 2nd Edition. I even marked it.

Notice how it is work for word the same text as above. This quote was copypasted from the very first edition that Chaos first appeared in to the edition we are currently using. Chaos was always a threat to the galaxy from the very start and this fact never changed.

> Khorne had an honourable side and all that jazz.

Not really. Only one source in all of 40K said that Khorne had honour and it was Epic 2nd. The rest of the 2nd 40K made it clear that Khorne is honourless . I fucking hate newfags. How do we get rid of them?

>> No.49101834

>>49101730
>Astronomicon

It doesn't reach outside the galaxy. It stops at the edges of the galaxy

>> No.49101968

>>49101822
Its like you're unreasonably angry about something anon and your taking it out on this thread. Its going to be alright, Chaos would still be a big bad in a fantasy miniature game. You'd still be able to talk about it on a vietnamese guerrilla warfare website.

What I was saying is that that has changed back to that fluff. It wasn't the same throughout every edition you know that right? Going back seems like a terrible idea that honestly devalues almost everything else about the setting.

>Not really
Shit, not really ok just that it did. Fun. Anyway Chaos wasn't always the four and the four weren't always all the warp. That was the fluff anon.

>I fucking hate newfags. How do we get rid of them?
I was going to defend myself here but really? Why are you here talking about this stuff if its making you this mad?

>> No.49102017

>>49101834
Something something warp. Maybe it only works till there but carries out further like a radio wave, who know. Like I said i just don't like forcing in a new 'plot device' just to sell a book.

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Best elites fluff-wise coming through

Harlequin kiddies can go wank each other in the Black Library.

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>>49101968
>What I was saying is that that has changed back to that fluff. It wasn't the same throughout every edition you know that right? Going back seems like a terrible idea that honestly devalues almost everything else about the setting.

Nope, that line was repeated in nearly every edition.

Now lets examine the adventure of this little quote from edition to the next.

The quote popped out in 2nd where it was born. It jumped to third edition. It skipped fourth edition where it didn't appear. Then it popped out in 5th ED edition, then 6th ED, and 7 th edition.

So it appears it hasn't "changed back to that fluff". It was a consistent fluff that appeared in all editions bar one which was 4th ED.

>Chaos wasn't always the four and the four weren't always all the warp.

Yes, it was. Going by 6th ED fantasy and the 40K fluff that stated that Khaine was an aspect of both Khorne and Slaanesh (Again 2nd ed)

>I was going to defend myself here but really? Why are you here talking about this stuff if its making you this mad?

You are not giving me solutions to the newfag problem!

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>>49102061
Step aside, you jumped up plebs.

>> No.49102173

>>49101968
>Going back seems like a terrible idea that honestly devalues almost everything else about the setting.

How so?

>> No.49102206

>>49102111
Why didn't the 4 exist before the war in heaven?

Why hasn't Chaos already destroyed this and other galaxies?

Why if the Chaos gods are this powerful has the Emperor sat on his throne this long?

Why if they are master of the universe are Chaos marines so important?

Why arnt there alien races fighting through the warp against each other?

Why did the Chaos gods have to group together to destroy Tzeench's staff?

Why hasnt Khonre destroyed the galaxy with his sword if this fight isn't going so well, compared to the other innumerable galaxies in the universe?

Why does none of this make sense?

Why not just leave the fluff as it was and have all the question not need an answer?

>> No.49102246

>>49094676
How will they solve the Ork problem then?

Orks will keep coming back to WAAAGH them again and again, and it's nearly impossible to stop the spores from growing without total planetary annihilation. The Necrons are not infintite, the Orks essentially are.

>> No.49102340

>>49102206
>Why didn't the 4 exist before the war in heaven?

They did. Be'lakor was ascended to daemonhood millions of years ago. He has memories of the Necrontyr and ancient Eldar.

According to Khayon, the Webway was created by the Old Ones because they sensed that there were a danger in the Warp.

>Why if the Chaos gods are this powerful has the Emperor sat on his throne this long?

The Chaos Gods are more interested in the Great Game of Chaos and they will take of him in due time. They are not in a hurry.

>Why if they are master of the universe are Chaos marines so important?

The Chaos Gods power in Real Space is limited. That's why they require mortal agents to increase their influence and power in that realm.

>Why arnt there alien races fighting through the warp against each other?

What?

>Why did the Chaos gods have to group together to destroy Tzeench's staff?

Because Tzeentch held mastery over them and they didn't enjoy that. So they broke his take
staff (or sharded him if we go with the new fluff).

>Why hasnt Khonre destroyed the galaxy with his sword if this fight isn't going so well, compared to the other innumerable galaxies in the universe?

Khorne sword can cleave planets. He used in 40K in fantasy a few times.

>Why hasn't Chaos already destroyed this and other galaxies?

Apparently they did destroy other galaxies.

This galaxy is going to get destroyed when it passes 999 41K.

>Why does none of this make sense?

You don't read ze lore.

>> No.49102360

>>49102173
Lets think this through. If the Chaos gods have the power to sustain themselves already, live in an place without time and space, and haven't already destroyed the galaxy, then its because they don't want to. Not because they don't want to right now, but don't want to ever? No time see so they'd be able to do it whenever they wanted?

Maybe they want to destroy it a specific time instead? Ok well now the setting and every fight and character in it is pointless and just another tool of chaos for their own reason for existing is because chaos allowed it.

If however Chaos needs reality to exist then we get a setting that creates interesting opposition. Chaos being the all consuming thing that is is fighting to 'win' but destroy itself at the same time. Other factions have their own goals and I'm getting bored so so we end up at 40k everythings fucked edition.

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>>49102246
Actually, the Necrons are practically infinite.

They can turn ANYTHING into Necron warmachine and robutts. Any substance can be rendered down to energy and then that energy can be fashioned the war gear and constructs of the Necrons.

>> No.49102439

>>49102360
>Maybe they want to destroy it a specific time instead? Ok well now the setting and every fight and character in it is pointless and just another tool of chaos for their own reason for existing is because chaos allowed it.

And now you understand how fantasyfags feel.

>> No.49102468

>>49102340
Haha you actually answered you madman. Anyway the only one that was important in the context was the one you left out?

I know there lore justification more most everything in the game. The difference was each codex was correct/wrong about everything. Chaos/nids/crons/orks all the greatest threat. Youre just taking the propaganda as a fact. Instead of talking to you from another baised perspective I'm trying to get you to see the light.

I'll go through and try and show how what you've said doesn't make sense but id prefer it if you just admit your stance is biased.

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>>49102468
No, only Chaos is presented a the greatest threat in numerous sources.

Also going to the propaganda angle is the recourse of a coward who doesn't understand the fluff.

And I don't give a fuck if you don't think it doesn't make sense. I am reporting what's in the fluff.

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>>49102509

>> No.49102544

>>49101493

This is why I have always insisted that Chaos was the absolute worst part of 40k. Its frankly just really stupid. The Chaos Gods don't even make sense based on how we are told the warp works (we would have Chaos gods, sure, but it wouldn't be these 4 chucklefucks. Their portfolios aside from Khorne are weak as shit) and their powerlevels have been wanked up so hard that they had to back out with "Uhhhhhh they just totally don't really want to win that bad honest".

Tzeentch has it worst, because the whole 'he knows everyone's thoughts and plans' makes every time Tzeentch has been defeated a giant ??? of "Losing?!? I meant to do that!"

And then you get weirdness like Nurgle technically being responsible for every single living thing alive in the universe, because he created every single disease that every existed throughout time. But diseases are just caused by microbes and shit being someplace inconvenient. So that means Nurgle invented single celled organisms as a concept, aka the starting point for every single living thing.
All of this, despite Nurgle himself only being brought into existence because a bunch of people didn't wash themselves in Europe that one time after they killed off all the cats.

Chaos lore is just a massive clusterfuck of shitty self wank, edgitude because they think that's what its supposed to be, and absolutely no kind of writers consistency whatsoever because warp magic is always an excuse, right?

Chaos is literally Gaia Online: The Faction. All the powers they want, in any order they want it, causality doesn't exist.

Which is a damn shame, because they keeping trying to push these chuckfucks as the ultimate real big bad for honest you guys, so Chaos lore seeps into everything else. Half of the way the Imperium is the way it is is supposed to be because of trying to ward off chaos corruption. Not that that is actually the case, given that the IoM is literally the perfect Chaos breeding ground, but still.

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>>49102529

>> No.49102612

>>49102439
Yes but It doesn't have to be that way. Fantasy was set like that and was interesting until they ruined it.

If the Necrons woke up and killed everyone Chaos would die off, that was the old fluff. With this shit that wouldn't fly. Chaos would just magically exist forever because?

>>49102509
Haha TRIGGERED.
Really? Theres no propaganda angle? Ok champ. Well see if the fluff doesn't make sense then the setting doesn't make sense. Now we all know the settings just there to sell miniatures so GW doesn't mind that much which is why BL is so bad. So instead people come together on a Bulgarian chocolate making image board to talk about it. So when you report on what the fluff is, what happens if it changes next book?

What if next time it doesn't say that? just curious what you'd think. Also you can't just say they won't do that, its a thought experiment so give it a try.

>> No.49102637

>>49102529
>>49102564
All talking about mankind greatest threat btw.

>> No.49102679

>>49102544
Now see its not all that bad because it was started with a big old dose of satire. And when you argue with a guy like this just remember that every edge lord chaos lord is one mis-step away from being turned into a literal giant cock just because.

>> No.49102708

>>49102612
There isn't a propaganda angle in 40K oytside of in-verse pieces of fluff like the xenology and the Primer. Everything is told from the perspective of the omniscient narrator.

And if something changes in the future I will grumble a bit and then accept it like what happened when the Newcrons came.

>Yes but It doesn't have to be that way.

It does, Chaos winning is the point of the setting. It's why it exists.

>that was the old fluff. With this shit that wouldn't fly. Chaos would just magically exist forever because?

No, it wasn't. According to the 2nd Eldar dex, the Chaos Gods are immortal in the Warp. They can never die.

>> No.49102785

>>49102637
If Mankind falls, then the galaxy goes with it. This text is right next the text which says that Chaos will turn humanity into mass Chaos portals that will obliterate the galaxy. Through humanity. Chaos will cause the apocalypse.

So by the way, you are an idiot.

>>49102564
>Everywhere the enemies of humanity gather their strength and prepare for the apocalypse. Warlike Orks descend upon world after world. plundering and destroying, leaving death and destruction in their wake. The implacable Tyranids sweep through the galaxy like a plague of locusts. laying bare whole planets and moving ever onwards. Yet even these foes are as nothing beside the unknowable horrors that lie beyond the veil of the material universe. From the shifting seas ol' warp space come horrific creatures. Entities whose bodies are fashioned not of flcsh and blood but of unadulterated power. whose food and drink is the terror and ignorance of man. Creatures that draw hatred and greed for breath and which will not rest whilst a single Inan lives: Daemons. Entities fashioned by the minds of men in the shadow of warp space. Against such foes there can be no hope of a final victory.

-Codex Imperialis 2nd (Greatest Threat)

>> No.49102841

>>49102708
>The warp is an alternative universe inhabited entirely by psychic energy generated by the thoughts, emotions and mental life of the inhabitants of the material universe including the Eldar. These thoughts and emotions cannot die, they are eternal, so that over the ages they accrue and become stronger as they are reinforced by the similar thoughts and experiences of others. Eventually, a single idea or emotion can become so powerful within the warp that it attains a consciousness of its own and becomes a daemon or a god. These daemonic entities are known as Chaos Powers. The most powerful of these are the four Great Powers Khorne the god of war, bloodshed and anger; Tzeentch the god of change, plots and intrigue; Nurgle the god of plagues and morbidity; and Slaanesh, the god of pleasure and personal gratification. Slaanesh is particularly associated with the Eldar, and only came into being with their final Fall. Prior to this time Slaanesh was growing in power but not fully conscious - rather like a sleeping monster bellowing and kicking in its dream- disturbed sleep.

-2nd ED Eldar dex

Cannot die. Eternal. Forever. Chaos!

>> No.49102873

>>49102544
We are talking about Chaos here, not the C'tan.

>> No.49102877

>>49102708
>Chaos winning is the point of the setting. It's why it exists.
>No, it wasn't. According to the 2nd Eldar dex, the Chaos Gods are immortal in the Warp. They can never die.
This kills the setting. And also sick head canon as we know the point of the setting is to sell models, not have chaos win.

Chaos was born so therefore can die. It came about through the souls of mortals and was corrupted by the war in heaven then the space elves fucking. Having them be omniscient omnipotent evil is just cheap, boring and poor writing. Especially when in universe it obvious that that isn't the case.

>>49102785
>>49102841
>2nd Edition
Did necrons even exist then? Why are you using that fluff?

>> No.49102912

>>49102785
>>49102841
the old lore contradicted itself all the time. you can't use that lol.

>> No.49102913

>>49095429
Old crond were the soulless, single minded minions of star-eating deities.

Newcrons conquered the deities and broke them into shards and now the Lords have personalities instead of being emotionless terminators.

>> No.49102950

>>49102877
>Did necrons even exist then? Why are you using that fluff?

Because, moron, you keep mentioning changes to the fluff and telling us this new fluff or whatever. I am showing you all of this is old fluff that's been carried over to the new.

> And also sick head canon as we know the point of the setting is to sell models, not have chaos win.

The gaming setting is but as a narrative/story it was created for Chaos to win to push foward a moral lesson.

>Chaos was born so therefore can die. It came about through the souls of mortals and was corrupted by the war in heaven then the space elves fucking. Having them be omniscient omnipotent evil is just cheap, boring and poor writing. Especially when in universe it obvious that that isn't the case.

Nice headcanon. Lets ignore the fluff that says they are eternal beings that live in a place where linear time has no sway.

>> No.49102981

>>49102912
None of what I used is contradicted by the new, In fact, I just used lore from 4 separate editions that all basically say the same thing. Get Rekt.

>> No.49103001

>>49102950
>it was created for Chaos to win to push foward a moral lesson.
Holy fucking bias batman. My god I actually chuckled. Preach to me of your moral lesson this should be fucking hilarious.

>> No.49103007

>>49102877

> Chaos was born so therefore can die. It came about through the souls of mortals and was corrupted by the war in heaven then the space elves fucking. Having them be omniscient omnipotent evil is just cheap, boring and poor writing. Especially when in universe it obvious that that isn't the case.

The only thing that makes sense is that Chaos isn't all powerful, but that's what they tell their followers. You ever tried to start a cult by saying you are only just sort of okay? It never works!

People always point to there being Slaneeshi demons during the fall of the Eldar prior to the birth of Slaneesh as evidence that Chaos exists outside of the rules of time, but frankly that's garbage logic. We know that emotions can condense into weaker warp organisms than full on gods. Positive emotion based warp entities are possible, they just are drastically outnumbered by chaos demons and tend to get gibbed before they can do anything.
So its not a case of Slaneesh spending millions of years hiding under a carper, snickering to itself and masturbating, before sending off demonettes to cause its own birth. Those demonettes were just foreshocks, symptoms of the changes going on in the warp that preceded the tipping point where Slaneesh crashed into being.

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You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of the fantasyfags before ET came over who argued against the fluff that Chaos was te greatest threat in fantasy and kept insisting that Nagash, Skaven, Orcs, etc were in fact the greatest. They even claimed that Chaos existed on a single world despite all the fluff that stated otherwise.

Then came the ET and AoS where they got BFTO for all eternity.

40K desperately needs this kind of reckoning so that the anti-Chaosfags of 40K would shut up.

>> No.49103053

>>49102950
Your theory relies on the propaganda from the chaos book and nothing else. Its not followed through anywhere else in the setting. Even the quotes your posting don't all mean the same thing. Most off them only refer to mankind and then you are adding on subtext.

It was always the case that chaos could lose and you have to deal with it anon.

>> No.49103074

>>49103001
Man cannot defeat himself, he escape his own sins.

>> No.49103095

>>49103052
Honestly Fantasy was different for a reason. It was set up a a chaos victory from the start with the other races being able to hold off destruction. Which was interesting as an idea as chaos technically be defeated but would forever be a problem.

The fact you take it the other way, the GW way, surprises me as you can see how badly it was rejected by the fans?

>> No.49103102

>>49094676
Because Humanity was better back in the Dark Age of Technology and we will rise again once we obtain the Omnicapedia.

>> No.49103122

>>49103053
Again, there is no propaganda in 40K outside of in-verse texts.

And none of what I posted comes from Chaos sources. And this supported by the following text in the same books. These books are main rulebooks of the edition snd the next page to these quotes says what Chais will do to humanity once they take over, transforming into WARP PORTALS. ALL OF THEM.

So you are a newfag who hasn't read the fluff. Want me to give you links to rulebooks or should I post pages?

>> No.49103133

>>49103052
>anti-chaos fags
Nobody is anti-chaos, just anti-masturbatory autists.

>> No.49103143

>>49103074
go more in depth I'm actually interested anon. Besides it'll help me understand you're point of view better.

Besides how do I nitpick a nine word sentence. Impossible, you gotta help me out.

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Was going to say I'd honestly prefer another Newcron-Oldcron shitstorm over this, but then that would still just be a whole lot of Carnac arguing with people who don't know what they're talking about for hours.

>> No.49103155

>>49103074
He can't escape is sins*

>> No.49103157

>>49095254
Kronks back then.

>> No.49103178

>>49103133
No, you are anti-Chaos. Because I am posting fluff from new and old 40K and you are throwing a tantrum over it. See abovve. They hate Chaos for its lore. Lore that somehow they missed until now despite it being plastered everywhere.

>> No.49103179

>>49103052
But Nagash was more interesting than Archaon.

>> No.49103197

>>49103179
And Mannfred is more interesting than Nagash who was WEAK

Your point?

>> No.49103211

>>49103102

The Omnicapedia is horse shit. It literally cannot exist, because it requires humankind to have comprehensive knowledge of psykers and their evolution and development thousands of years before psykers first started showing up and study of them began.

Its a macguffain added to the setting because GW realized that there war literally no way the Imperium could win, because their end game was 'maybe we can evolve over the next few thousands years to be less shit' while everyone else's endgames were 'if the rest of my guys get here I win/If I kill the emperor I win'.

The Tau could accomplish their goal of taking over the galaxy sooner than the IoM could uplift mankind into a psychic master race. Considering that the IoM has no idea how to breed a psyker naturally immune to chaos, has never seen one aside from the Emperor, and none seem to be showing up in the last 10000 years since the Emperor died.

The Omnicapedia is just an easy win button for them to push so they can pretend the IoM can do something other than be torn apart by its enemies.

>> No.49103213

>>49103178
>People dislike the second most boring faction in 40k
Who knew?

>> No.49103231

>>49103122
The main quotes you are using all refer to the death of the imperium and therefore the main point of view in the texts. Chaos is the greatest threat to the imperium even early on in the i said that. What I'm say is all the extra shit added onto is bs and not with anyones time.

If reality can shape the warp then the warp quite simply isn't eternal with no time or space. It is supported by the mind and souls if the galaxy not the universe otherwise hunger would probably be a chaos god because of the nids. Everything in verse goes against the chaos wank and just quoting raised sources won't work. All the fluff can be used that way, for everyone except the Tau.

>> No.49103241

>>49103213
>Chaos
>Boring

You mean the most diverse and more "Your dudes" faction other than the Orks?

The reason why SM exist in 40K was because Warriors of Chaos were so popular in WHFB.

Chaos made this setting great.

>> No.49103270

>>49103241
This is the single most sickening post I've seen on /tg/. This is wankery incarnate.

>> No.49103289

>>49103241
>The reason why SM exist in 40K was because Warriors of Chaos were so popular in WHFB.

But... space marines suck. If Chaos is responsible for them too, then its even shittier than I ever imagined!

You have really opened my eyes to just how much of a cancer Chaos is to the franchise. Thanks anon.

>> No.49103318

>>49103231
>therefore the main point of view in the texts.

That is not the point of view of the Imperium. It's the point of view of the omniscient narrator.

There your entire argument fell down. You are doing your best to dismiss fluff you don't agree with which very childish.

>If reality can shape the warp then the warp quite simply isn't eternal with no time or space. It is supported by the mind and souls if the galaxy not the universe otherwise hunger would probably be a chaos god because of the nids. Everything in verse goes against the chaos wank and just quoting raised sources won't work. All the fluff can be used that way, for everyone except the Tau.

More headcanon that comes out of nowhere.

The Warp has no linear time. Cause and effect is all over the place. Something that pops up in there will always exist. Straight outta the fluff.

>> No.49103345

>>49103270
>This is wankery incarnate.

Wankery implies it's not true. Please tell me you don't actually knowledge the diversity of Chaos or the fact that WoC inspired the SM which devs like Gav admitted to.

>>49103289
Get out now!

>> No.49103362

>>49103241
Space Marines are fedoras covering a white knight power fantasy.
Chaos Space Marines are Katanas and Trench coats.
They can't be your dudes when they're forced to pick one of four colors that dictate all lore.
Chaos is only a threat to the weakest, dumbest factions of the universe.

It's not good. It's bad. Muy mal, Amigo!

>> No.49103376

>>49103345
acknowledge*

>> No.49103398

>>49103362
>Chaos is only a threat to the weakest, dumbest factions of the universe.

Actullly, the Imperium is the mightiest single force in the galaxy and it rules the galaxy.

>> No.49103423

>>49103318
If he's omniscient why can't he see the edition changes before they happen anon?

Its propaganda in more then one way do you understand anon? You yourself have bought into the hobby because you seem to have identified so hard with chaos. Still doesn't make your wank any different to the wank of the other guys who likes eldar.

Chaos is one of the big bad in the setting. Not he guys who already won. this isn't fantasy and it wasn't set out that way. We have the birth of Slannesh properly set out in text. Slannesh wasn't always there. Fact. reality shapes and molds the warp. The Chaos gods are not eternal and unchanging.

>> No.49103454

>>49103197
Chaos sucks cock.

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>>49103398
I'd be okay with this in AoE or if the Imperium wasn't gay

>> No.49103486

>>49103398
Imperium is also in a state of decay and they can't even make new terminator armors or replicate anything more complicated than a bolter really. It's safe to say they will go fuck themselves and Chaos will win again.

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>>49103095
>Honestly Fantasy was different for a reason

Actually, there are a lot of parallels between fantasy and 40/k especially when it comes to the End Times.

I'll name a few.

Fantay :
>12 Everchosens. The 13 Everchosen was the Lord of the End Times who finished the world
>Be'lakor crowed Archaon Everchoden and proclaimed the doom of the world

40K:
>12 Black Cruades. The 13th one is suppose to be the one that will usher the End Times and finish off the galxay
>Be'lakor crowned Abaddon Chaos Ascendant and proclaimed the doom of the galaxy

>> No.49103555

>>49103501
Yeah theres parallels but its not the same setting, and it wasn't set up the same way. Its not the same the gods rant exactly the same there are however easter eggs because fans love that shit.

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>>49103423
>If he's omniscient why can't he see the edition changes before they happen anon?

He sees what's in the setting and what he sees is what the authors write.

And your propaganda thing is a desperate attempt to ignore fluff you don't like in a dishonest manner. Fantasyfags did that until they got confronted with the truth of things in the End Times.
>Chaos is one of the big bad in the setting. Not he guys who already won. this isn't fantasy and it wasn't set out that way. We have the birth of Slannesh properly set out in text. Slannesh wasn't always there. Fact. reality shapes and molds the warp. The Chaos gods are not eternal and unchanging.

Nice headcanon but I posted fluff that proves you wrong.

And look at this sexy guy. This guy is named Be'lakor. He is older than the fall by millions of years and YET he was elevated to daemonhood by Slaanesh Waaaaay before the happened. Be'lakor contacted all Four Chaos Gods and was blessed by them.

>> No.49103585

>>49103501
But Be'lakor hates Abaddon for stealing his limelight and is actively trying to sabotage everything he does. The only thing Be'lakor wants to crown Abaddon with is a plasma blastgun shot to the face.

>> No.49103604

>>49103555
They are the same gods. AoS confirms that existence of a multiverse. It confirms that Chaos is connected to various universes and is invading a lot of them.

>> No.49103608

>>49103423
Nope. Way back in the 1990's in the book Farseer, it was revealed that Slaanesh created itself. Those cults of hedonism that supposedly created Slaanesh? They were formed by a Keeper of Secrets. Likewise according to the Tome of Excess by FFG, Slaanesh has always existed, yet never existed. Chaos ignores causality.

>> No.49103635

>>49103585
Another parallel.

>Be'lakor crowned Archaon and then attempted to seize his body and title.

<Be'lakor heralded Abaddon ascension as Chaos Ascendant and will attempt to steal Abaddon's body and title.

>> No.49103674

>>49103608
Exactly. Thanks for the support.

>> No.49103690

>>49103582
Oh god how do you not see it. It baffles me. You are so invested in this that you cannot think clearly can you? you've constantly thrown out shit like head cannon yet continuously post shit thats so far up you own ass I'm amazed you can see the keyboard.

If the fluff is saying one thing yet showing another which one is true? Both and neither. Its the way it has always been and always has been.

This is honestly getting tiresome as its not a conversation it just you yelling loudly whilst i ask questions.

>> No.49103704

I'd make the assumption that all these anti-Chaos fags are lovers of either Eldar or Tau. Possibly both.

>> No.49103726

>>49103604
AOS doesn't confirm shit. Lol. Its confirms that about AOS. Besides no-one plays AOS so who cares anyway.

>> No.49103735

>>49103690
>If the fluff is saying one thing yet showing another which one is true? Both and neither. Its the way it has always been and always has been.

The fluff isn't showing more than one thing. You are seeing double. It's as simple as that.

>thats so far up you own ass

You mean fluff. From the books. Written by people who are not me.

>> No.49103762

>>49096953
Oh look, a little bitch that can't stand the bantz.

>> No.49103777

>>49103704
Nah, Eldar accept Chaos as it is. The Tau player wouldn't care. Their faction is too small to factor in the Chaos debate.

It's mostly Tyranidfags, Necronfags, and maybe Orkfags who are pissed that they are sideshow distractions to the Chaos stand up.

>> No.49103780

>>49103735
No your just using some selected quotes adding your view onto them and then claiming everything you think is correct. This is bias. Normally people can understand that and be ok with because they are normal and well adjusted. You appear not to be.

>> No.49103795

>>49103726
I play AoS. I just pre-ordered Gorechosen.

>> No.49103835

>>49103608
Aspects of slaanesh appeared to herald her birth. They helped shape and mold reality to create "themselves" by giving slaanesh the power to create them to go back in time and blah blah blah. However up until that point she wasn't alive. She was not whole.

>> No.49103840

>>49103780
It's not bias. If there is bias you would have pointed out instead of trying to dismiss the fluff outright as "propaganda". Nothing I said is not in the texts posted.

And you instead of posting fluff to back up your points, you enter into headcaninvile instead.

>> No.49103898

>>49103840
So were back to this ok.

How does the warp change if there is no time or space involved? Give me the nitty-gritty on the mechanics please?

>> No.49103916

>>49103704
The main Chaos fag is actually also the biggest Tau fag on this board. Necron too, though his Chaos boner overrides all. For this thread anyway. Who can say what the next one will bring.

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>>49103835
I disagree. Once again look at this handsome fellow.

Be'lakor predates the Fall by thousands if not millions of years. During his mortal life, he caught the attention of all Four Chaos Gods by preforming great deeds of evil. The Four Chaos Gods , Slaanesh included, elevated Be'lakor to daemonhood. He became their first born son. The Four then fought over Be'lakor like children and this continued for a long time.

>> No.49103970

>>49103898
>How does the warp change if there is no time or space involved? Give me the nitty-gritty on the mechanics please?

Read the Path to Heaven. The Warp is separated into many layers. The Chaos Gods exist in the lowest layers where they did until they emerged to intact their will.

What change you see happens of the surface level. The depths of the Warp where the Chaos Gods dwell are unaffected.

>> No.49103991

>>49103835
That doesn't work when this is before ANY of the cults that would 'create' Slaanesh were made. The entire fall of the Eldar into hedonism was mastermined by a Keeper of Secrets disguising it. Likewise Greater Daemons can't appear BEFORE a Chaos God, as Daemons are shards of their God.

>> No.49104011

>>49103970
>The Chaos Gods exist in the lowest layers where they did until they emerged to intact their will.
Can you post a pic of this for me anon? I could save this to my folder.

>> No.49104059

>>49103970
No were not using BL shit as canon for this. Surely you've got codex support for the basic underpinning of your beliefs? maybe an omniscient narrator page on how it actually works?

>> No.49104073

>>49104011
Sadly, I only have the audiobook version.

>>49103970
Also lets see what the Harlequins say about Chaos. You know them, the guys who know more about Chaos than the Grey Knights and have access to the Black Library of Chaos.

>‘Listen to our pleas. Do not let the orks distract you, nor any other threat arising from the temporal realm. The gods of the Othersea will not stop until this galaxy is their plaything. The threat they pose is millions of cycles old, the actions of your Warmaster but the latest act in a war that has raged since the time of the old races. For the lifespan of stars my people have opposed them. You are naive if you think Chaos defeated. I have been sent with this one message – do not neglect the Dark Gods, for it will mean the annihilation of us all.’

>> No.49104090

>>49104073
Really the girl dedicated to fighting chaos is worried about chaos? What a fucking surprise.

>> No.49104119

>>49104059
Now, you are dismissing sources you don't like them for raisens? The HH series is the most edited and monitored series of books by GW. Nothing enters them that they didn't agree with. So they are the highest form of canon.

>> No.49104168

>>49104119
If you want to play warhammer 40k do you buy a codex or a BL book?

The codices are canon. BL is supporting material.

>> No.49104180

>>49104090
You messed the part where she says the war against Chaos raged since like forever, for millions of years, since the age of eldar races.

Selective reading?

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>>49104168

>> No.49104206

>>49104184
That one 100% avoided my question. Sick pass.

>> No.49104209

>>49104168
Both are canon. The rules from the codexes I use for game. The stories and fluff from codexes and novels I use to forge the narrative.

Both are equally canon.

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>>49104184
>>49104168
The Black Library is canon you fuckwit, as is all other material produced or signed off by GW. Only that which is heavily outdated and contradicted by new material is softly retconned, and the only true absolute retcon being heretic tomes.

>> No.49104251

>>49104180
What book is that from?

>> No.49104284

>>49104251
Beast Arise (Book 3) : Throneworld.

>> No.49104287

>>49104212
Oh god. BL supporters are the worst. Dudes just spouting shit in a forum. Doesn't mean shit. If I wanted an argument form authority id listen to this chaos fag.

>> No.49104320

>>49104287
That's the chief editor of the black library you fuckwit. Unlike you he's a contracted employee of Games Workshop, not a freelancer like 40k writers.

>> No.49104343

>>49103970
>>49104059
I want to get back on track. Where are the other sources for this? Why did Slaanesh need the elder to bee birthed? How is one race in one galaxy relevant to a universe spanning Chaos god? Is gay sex really that bad?

>> No.49104370

>>49104320
Yeah thats nice and all. however I'm still not buying 500 books just to get the canon sorted out. He knows it as well which makes it rather sad that you support him.

>> No.49104435

>>49103241
>Space Marines
Bugger them. I'd take the Imperial Guard any day.

>> No.49104450

>>49104343
>>49104343
Let me answer your question with another question. How come fantasy Chaos which was birthed from the minds of humans on a single planet predate the Old Ones and be responsible for the destruction of multiple universes?

Existing in a realm without time really allows you to snowball your power.

>> No.49104535

>>49104450
Ever since AoS (and honestly long before that too) the links between WHFB and 40K have become tenuous at best.

I mean, the multiverse must have undergone a huge and dramatic shift and nobody in 40k noticed, not that we've been told anyway. Not the imperium, not the eldar, not the necrons, not even any of the forces of chaos. We haven't even had a throwaway line about the forces of slaanesh becoming less aggressive or organised or anything.

>> No.49104548

>>49104450
Because fantasy was crafted poorly as a setting and had an overall poor lore underpinning as the fluff got assraped so many times before it crystallised.

Is there any good inverse examples of the chaos gods existing outside this universe? alien armies from another galaxy? or any actual reference to a galaxy that lost to chaos?

>> No.49104578

>>49104535
Time is meaningless in the warp, Slaanesh can be kidnapped and still be affecting shit due to causality being ignored. We also know that Skaven were intercepting Eldar communications during the End of Times, likewise Kaldor Draigo showed up and punched some daemons too.

>> No.49104607

>>49104578
They are different setting created by the same studio. Its called an easter egg and isn't to be taken seriously as an underpinning of the setting.

>> No.49104640

>>49104578
I hadn't heard about the eldar communications bit. Searching got me nowhere. Could you enlighten me?

>> No.49104660

>>49104535
I am not saying that WHFB and 40K is linked. This time.

I am saying that fantasy Chaos also had humble beginnings (much humbler beginnings) like 40K Chaos. Now look it. It's eternal multiversal force of destruction that's consuming universe after another. And these guys started out from the brains of humans on a backward planet.

So you saying that Slaanesh being born from the Eldar somehow makes it unbelievable for xir being an universal god is asinine given what we know about Chaos and GW's writing conventions.

>> No.49104725

>>49104578
I thought it was changed so they met a Sigmarine.

>> No.49104736

>>49104640
I believe it was in the Thanquol book. Some Skaven were dicking around with warpstone experiments when they heard strange communications from space elves which scared the shit out of them.

>> No.49104747

How did the nids eats 12 galaxies if chaos was there as well? Doesn't this infer that the nids have defeated the chaos gods at least 12 times already?

>> No.49104755

>>49104548
I am not sure about it but I think the novel "Daemon World" mentions slaves that are not from this galaxy laboring on daemon worlds.

>Is there any good inverse examples of the chaos gods existing outside this universe?

Well, does them attacking Necron dimensions, the Webway, and other planes of existence count (Realm of Shadow)?

We know for a fact that from Necron lore that alternative universes exist. The C'tan send their victims there.

>> No.49104769

>>49104747
Or the Chaos Gods didn't care enough about these galaxies.

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>>49104755
>C'tan Shards are beings of near-unlimited power. They can manifest energy blasts, control the minds of lesser beings, manipulate the flow of time, and banish foes to alternate realities.

>Transliminal Stride - Using its ability to manipulate the space-time continuum and extradimensional realities, the Transcendent C'tan can move across the battlefield to a predetermined point, simply phasing through all obstacles or opponents in its path.

>Transdimensional Maelstrom - The Transcendent C'tan uses its command of transdimensional energies to unleash a swirling extradimensional vortex upon the battlefield that can banish all it touches to an alternate reality.

>> No.49104862

>>49104755
I meant to say galaxy sorry.

The webway was always weird however and if remember correctly is still just another warp light reality. As for the Necrons didn't the demons get in the same way as the necrons. Just because its possible for them to get there doesn't mean that they also exist in the same way there.

>>49104769
The not care slick is kinda sad tho right? If they don't care then ignore them and focus on killing abbadon and the CSM because the gods don't care anyway.

>> No.49104945

>>49104862
The Webway is a seperate realm of existence that is partly warp, partly real space.

>As for the Necrons didn't the demons get in the same way as the necrons.

No, they invaded it the same way they invade real space.

Necron lore already confirms the existence of a multiverse in 40K. So I guess that's that.

>> No.49105060

Honestly I've not seen proof that the Ruinous powers can exist without mortals sustaining them. The warp was once calm and theres no proof that the chaos gods manifest without mortals. Even if the warp extends beyond the galaxy how do the gods survive without sustenance between the stars? The warp and reality obviously are linked with travel and psychic fights being shown as a reality/warp situation that are linked together.
And on top of that warp event only happen in reality at certain times reflecting again that the two influence each other.

>>49104945
Multiverse doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't confirm the connection between two universes. Especially when its different settings.

>> No.49105151

>>49105060
>Multiverse doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't confirm the connection between two universes. Especially when its different settings.

I am just pointing out that alternative realities/universes exist in 40K.

What proves that the two settings are connected is numerous sources from the End Times books and the Liber Coatica. There is zero proof that they got separated.

>Honestly I've not seen proof that the Ruinous powers can exist without mortals sustaining them.

No, you are acting like a total cunt by ignoring all the fluff posted above where fluff says Chaos will destroy all life and yet be eternal.

So at this point you are putting your fingers in all the holes in your head and refusing to let go of your headcanon.

>> No.49105309

>>49105151
Warhammer =/= 40k.

If the fluff shows one thing and says another then whats right? there is no evidence for the Chaos gods existing without mortals to create and sustain them. There is no evidence of the chaos gods using creatures from other galaxies to destroy the imperium. There is no evidence that the stated powers of the chaos gods work as you state. Your quotes do not show what you think they mean. Saying that it is impossible to weaken the gods by removing their followers and belief in them goes against the stated fluff and aims of several characters.

The warp may exist through out the universe but theres no evidence that mean the ruinous powers exist beyond the galaxy, i.e. their food source.

>> No.49105390

>>49105309

>there is no evidence for the Chaos gods existing without mortals to create and sustain them

see >>49100708

You are disingenuous and a headcanon fanatic who is willing to ignore what's written in the fluff to live in his delusion.

I cannot be bothered to direct you to all what's posted above, The other anons can clearly see you're full of it. And I need to go to do something more productive.

>> No.49105417

>>49105151
>ignoring all the fluff posted above where fluff says Chaos will destroy all life and yet be eternal.

That will happen IF the warp consumes the material plane and linear time for their food source is destroyed. Until that happens, Chaos is fucked if humanity goes extinct, because without humans they are forced to draw from much weaker and less tasty food, which would mean a massive power downgrade for them.

Why do you think Chaos is in such a rush to get this over with now? They see the writing on the wall. Humanity is on borrowed time, way too many threats around 40k now for humans to survive in sufficient numbers to sustain chaos once the necrons get their shit together/the nids arrive. Chaos has been enjoying the good times, but the good times are looking to end in the future and if they want to not be made totally irrelevant again they need to capitalize on this opportunity to secure their position permanently. And that means breaking apart the material plane and digesting it into the warp.

>> No.49105477

>>49105390
that quote doesn't prove that man. If the nids/necrons destroyed humanity first chaos would be fucked. But the doesn't make sense if they span the universe? Does it?

The quote only shows a glimpse not the reality of what might happen.

>> No.49105502

>>49105390
Infant that quote show exactly how important humanity is to the gods as they need them to subsume the galaxy. It states it right fucking there lol.

>> No.49105522

>>49105477

Indeed. Its the same as saying 'If the Emperor wakes up, he will unmake the Chaos gods'.

How can the chaos gods be eternal if all it takes is one pissed off psyker dude to erase them from the warp?

>> No.49105714

>>49105522
Correct. Chaos is just another faction not the be all and end all of 40k. Funny that he bails on

>The other anons can clearly see you're full of it.
When its the exact opposite.

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>>49094676
>don't have a penis anymore
You forgot one

>> No.49106196

>>49099611
Oh fuck tell me about it
I enjoyed playing Orks and even managed to win the campaign on hard as them so I though I was pretty well set for some multiplayer
Boy was I wrong
The entire problem with Orks is that you have to win fast but you can't even get a single full squad straight away without building a waaagh banner, and those things were fucking expensive
If you got an extra 10 Ork cap by default they'd be good for an early game rush of a slugga boy and shoota boy squad, or just fucking fix their population system, it was fucking shite

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