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https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/5/27/treasures-from-the-net/

>Question of the day:
What's that card you love but never manage to make work quite as you'd wish?

>What is Android: Netrunner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAslVfZ9p-Y

>Android Netrunner Official FFG News & Spoilers:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/tag/android-netrunner-the-card-game/
http://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/24049/netrunner-spoilers
http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-card-spoilers

>Floor rules
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/66/62/66628aed-d2e3-41c3-9ea2-1caae96b104f/adn-floor-rules.pdf

>Official FAQ (post-MWL), Compendium on rulings, and common mistakes
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/c9/e5/c9e522d2-d9f6-4053-9a80-684198c25fa5/adn_faq_v301.pdf
http://ancur.wikia.com/wiki/Project_ANCUR_Wiki
https://www.reddit.com/r/postalelf/comments/2sm1d2/welcome_to_netrunner/

>Netrunner Card List and Data Pack Details:
http://netrunnerdb.com/
http://blackat.co.uk
http://acoo.net
https://github.com/shyndman/ono-sendai (You’ll need to build it yourself)

>Deckbuilding Resources:
http://netrunnerdb.com/
http://meteor.stimhack.com/
http://acoo.net
http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-deck-builder (not recommended)

>Articles and Blogs:
http://teamcovenant.com/blog/category/netrunner-lcg/
http://cardgamedb.com/index.php/index.html/_/android-netrunner
http://stimhack.com/

>Podcasts
http://runlastclick.blogspot.ca/
http://canlaugh.com/nerdrunners/
http://www.northerngamingnetwork.com/tagme/
http://thewinningagenda.com/

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In other news, The Liberated Mind officially released (have a free Princess Space Kitten before the rumor mills starts rolling):

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/5/26/mind-games/

Also, I hear there's Streams? For people that make use of those:

https://www.twitch tv/frontiergamingchannel

https://www.twitch tv/babywyrm

>> No.47483934

To answer my own question, recently it's been Immolation script. Love the card, so satisfying when you make it fire. So hard to find the slot(s).

In the category "I can feel the jank overtaking me" The Noble Path/Personal Workshop to mass install all your cybernetics at once.

Will have to be done.

>> No.47484025

>>47483934
>Immolation script.
Man, I played against a deck running that the other day.
I was very impressed by it, but boy did it piss me off - most of my ice was out, but there was very little on archives, so things like archer got burned away. The fact that the deck ran Faust and Cutlery didn't help

>> No.47484343

>>47484025

I really wish it wasn't three influence a pop. It's something I would love to try in Fisk, but far too expensive. Leaves you with either anti-econ or your usual Anarch whatever-trashing as your way to feed the ICE into Archives in the first place.

>> No.47485229

Tbh I expect NBN wallpaper to be more like the flipside of SYNC with bunch of screens of advertisement and nefarious surveillance.

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I guess there's something nefarious about a satellite.

Eye of Sauron and all that.

>> No.47487729

>>47487041
I can't really see it. Satelites are pretty important part of our everyday lives already. To me they are more example of technology and how we humans have been able to knit continents closer together with information flow.

>> No.47487850

If only synthetic blood was shaper I could play a self-harm anarch deck where whenever I brain damage myself I get to draw a card.
Just imagine, I install cybernetics, I draw a card. I play stimhack or amped up, I draw a card. And every 3 turns I get to draw another card with Stim Dealer instead of getting a click. That would be a fuckawesome anarch deck to play.
Instead we got Chronotype and get to draw 2 cards for free. More powerful, and also boring.

>> No.47487860

>>47487850
>If only Synthetic Blood wasn't shaper
I derped

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>>47487041
>>47487729
I guess it's probably from the fact that the Network was built by NBN, maintained through their SYNC subsidiary/division, and is spied on and used by said division to achieve their goals.

Weyland also does the "kind-of-ominous" thing with their wallpaper art, in that it's a big looming tower that they have considerable control over, and it represents a bit of a stranglehold on space, but it's also a huge instrument of progress and advancement for mankind

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I'm happy we got a enhanced version of this picture. Card might be a tad bad, but it's one of my favourites illustrations.

>> No.47487893

>>47487850
I agree - genehacking yourself to be able to stay up and create seems much more shaper than being able to ignore injury after injury (though it's the "first per turn", not every time)

>>47487041
It does kind of looks like the world's in a cage

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L5R LCG General?

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>>47488348
I can't wait for 2017. Going to be so amazing.

>> No.47488886

>>47488348
Not in here. Get your own Thread.

>> No.47488908

>>47488886
Looks like this game is dead so I figured I'd just use it's corpse.

>> No.47488978

>>47487729
>Satellite are pretty important part of our everyday lives already.

That they are. But then the paranoid in me will never forgive that because of them now even the sky is watching.

>>47487850

I made that full Genetics + Cybernetics suites ultimate jank deck back when they were released. That deck was ridiculous. If you don't like it, I don't like you.

Don't dismiss the pancakes though. There are fun things to do with it. Like running through a troll without losing the click (the face of my opponent on that one).

>>47488348

I wish that game had grabbed me like it did some of my friends. Played it back in the ay, and certainly will again when re-released, but it never was oneI was particularly fond of.

>> No.47489524

Need a good name for my Haarpsichord Fast Advance featuring Psychographics and Vanity Project.
If I need to be more specific I can even post the decklist in a second.

>> No.47489611

>>47489524
One question,: why Haarp? If you have few, big agendas, its ability does fuck all.

>> No.47489616

>>47489524
Gem and the Pycho-Project.

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>>47489524
Yeah, a decklist might help.

Something about being Vain and Psycho is my first thought

>> No.47490078

Played an incredibly satisfying game where my friend (Corp) managed to pull off a feint, making me focus on R&D while he gets enough credits to single turn advance an Atlas for match point. It was great.

>>47483170
Probably Dedicated Response Team and Checkpoint, I love them mid-run meat damage. Either I'll get better at using them or switch tactics though.

>>47489524
Probably a reality show name like "Who's the Next Superstar" or something.

>> No.47490270

>>47489524

If it"s a kill deck, you *have* to name it "Bonfire of Vanities".

>> No.47490306

>>47490078

Always nice, even if you lose, when you've been part of some good play.

>> No.47490356

>>47490078
Dedicated Response Team work well enough I find.

Checkpoint kinda irks me; it looks like a kill card, truth is it's a tax card. And a tax card that gives a bad pub is hard to deal with.
Still, I love the card too.

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So Dan played at my regional today. I walked out after the 3rd round of him wondering around after he was done and mocking peoples decks/play.
I don't understand why this kind of toxic cancer is allowed in the community.

>> No.47490672

>>47490306
Yeah, it was made even better since he was piloting my deck, which really helped expose certain holes in it when you're running against it. Definitely gonna lend others my decks more often from now on.

>>47490356
At the very least there's a few cards to help remove or avoid the bad pub, but it's still extra effort that could be put somewhere else. We'll just have to see how future cards help it. Until then there's the dream jank of Checkpoint on a Chilo Grid with 1-2 unrezzed DRTs on the table.

>> No.47490675

>>47490621
Did you try politely asking to stop so you can focus on the game? Did you try to ask the organizers to intervene if that failed?

>> No.47490830

>>47490675
The Organizers was all stimhack sack riders that thing he is the 2nt coming of god.
Was not even my games he was commenting on. It was mostly new people just looking for fun. I am fairly sure most of them will never be back to Netrunner events.

I am fairly sure I won't be at any event Dan is at again.
Stimhack and their users reminds of me of Tumblr at this point, a bunch of cult follows who think they are the best people ever while they are toxic to anyone outside of their cult.

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>>47490830
If you were free, did you consider engaging the fuck just so he wouldn't bother the new players?
Sure, it's a bit taking the bullet-y, but it's better than having new players be all discouraged.

I'm sure he'd take a reminder of his statement that "Andromeda is the best runner, no question" well

>> No.47491139

>>47491066
Mention Rebirth for extra plausibility points.

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>>47491139
Ah, but be sure to slip in that Whiz was available since Andy was - they're the same cycle

>> No.47492080

>>47489524
Here is the deck. Having tons of fun with it. Haarp for two reason. Thematic and because it works with Midseason.
Agenda (13)
1 15 Minutes
2 AstroScript Pilot Program ○○
2 Breaking News
3 Explode-a-palooza
1 Project Beale
3 Quantum Predictive Model
1 Vanity Project ●
Asset (7)
1 Exposé
3 News Team
1 Reality Threedee
2 Shannon Claire
ICE (17)
2 Archangel
2 Chimera
3 Data Raven
2 Gutenberg
3 Pop-up Window
3 Resistor
2 Tollbooth

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>> No.47492113

>>47492080
Copy paste work sucks missed operations
Operation (17)
3 Biotic Labor ●●●●●●●●●●●●
2 Closed Accounts
3 Hedge Fund
3 Midseason Replacements
2 Psychographics
3 Sweeps Week
1 The All-Seeing I

54 cards
Influence: 13/13 ●●●●●●●●●●●●●○○
Agenda points: 22

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>>47492085

>> No.47492169

>>47492080

Unless I'm missing something (or you have an aggressive BP dishing-meta), one Exposé for one Reality 3D seems like overkill to me... I'd just live up with the bad pub myself.

>> No.47492190

>>47492146

Is that the post casting-called version of the ID?

>> No.47492196

>>47492169
Valencia. And my ICE is mostly taxing.

>> No.47492343

>>47492080
Okay, my own idea: How about 2Fast4Humility

>> No.47492525

Anyone see Stimhack League is writing their own MWL for their hosted events...

>> No.47492548

>>47492525
Apparently they had low participation so they added Faust, Museum and Temple.

>> No.47492703

>>47492525

Nice I guess. That makes two lists I don't have to bother with.

>> No.47492729

>>47492548
More like the game is dying and their admins tried tried to make a living off it. The owner of Stimhack quit his job and is trying to live off Patron money.

>> No.47493115

>>47487888

Hey, the corp gains one less credit on Product Recall!

Really though, and that's coming from someone that plays a lot of low econ builds which will spend most of the game between 0 to 5 credits, there's something really weird about the cost/effect ratio. Especially when Scrubber happens to be a thing. Though yeah, chances are *this* is going to be the replacement post-rotation. In a world without Imp, Scrubber and the Whizz that still has Museums, it'll probably gain a modicum of value.

Would a reduction of two of the trash cost have been too powerful? If released only post rotation, when the combo with Anarch recurring trash credits wouldn't be a thing?

>> No.47493304

>>47493115
>If released only post rotation
I think that would have to be the key - I've got a mostly-for-fun runner build with a ton of cybernetics, but even though it's nice to reduce all the trash costs by 1 it's not really worth the install, especially not when Scrubber exists

Interesting that you mention low-econ builds, that could be interesting next cycle, which has credit-dependant cards on both sides (there's Shaper's awesome Beth, and that NBN operation that cares if the runner has less than 6 credits, at the very least, and Damon mentioned credit-levels will be an important thing when everyone's money is uncertain)

>> No.47493478

>>47493304

Well, to be honest, I've had it be worthwhile enough against asset spam decks, when I can just take power turns where I just level unprotected assets all 4 (or more) clicks, and nothing else.

That's a big when against a corp decent player, who'll try to manipulate the board state so that you *have* to take things out in bites. Not to mention very specialized.

>> No.47493693

>>47493478
Yeah, nice, but it's hard to get the full effect
Still, sweet art. And amusing to know that Whiz is nothing but a big Scrub(ber)

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Hmm, Liberated Mind is out, and on Netrunnerdb - I want to see if Red Tape is worth playing, and what shenanigans I can do with Consulting Visit

Also Turning Wheel, out of the ashes and Rebirth

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Anyone else feels like the trash cards from the stack clause is way too much? I was thinking about building something along with it and had totally suppressed it from my mind.

I mean, ok, some creative deck building can probably turn it into a strength, but the card had already enough issues without naturally negating a good portion of the damage prevention it's supposed to bring on top.

>> No.47495889

>>47495590

I'm still fascinated by the perspective of "*all* ICE" part of Red Tape. There's something right there I really want to put to use.

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>>47495889
Bullfrog would be my first thought, but you;d probably want some anti-jackout tech like wormhole or port anson

>> No.47496499

>>47495889

By which I mean, yeah, the idea is probably more to just make all severs suddenly prohibitively expensive for the turn, basically an all server ETR... but one can dream.

>> No.47496516

>>47496496

Wormhole as anti-jack out tech?

>> No.47496829

>>47496516
He means Whirlpool.

>> No.47497208

>>47496829

Stupid me, yeah, makes more sense.

I used Port Anson + Bullfrog in a Nisei deck, the trick would be to install Anson in a server the runner wouldn't want to run all the way through - say with an Ambush in, then transfer the runner there via Bullfrog. Then use that server as scoring. Too many pieces but fun to play.

Been thinking bout revisiting this since SanSan made Crick a thing. Install port Anson on Archives, transfer the runner there with the frog...

>> No.47497223

Exchange of Information probably isn't practical to build a strategy around, but that hasn't stopped me before. HB with 3x Domestic Sleepers and 3x Mandatory Upgrades seems like the best option. It's easy to get the DS scored, and it's pain free giving it away to the runner. Mandatory Upgrades is only 2 points for the runner if you can't retrieve it, but if you do get it back it's a massive tempo boost on top of their loss and your gain.

>> No.47497332

>>47497223

Trick is going to be the tags...

Someone at the club's been talking about making some monster Custom Biotic Alliance deck.

I'm wondering if your idea and his would fit. Especially Consulting as a way to cut on the number of copies of operations and City Hall to tutor it all (you can now tutor a tutor... hadn't hit me how ridiculous it sounds).

>> No.47497680

I just realized this, but you can't build a deck with every alliance card. It will take 18 influence to be eligible for each faction and Custom Biotics can't take Jinteki cards. So that means you max out at 30 alliance cards per deck, plus 12 out of faction cards and 3 pad campaigns.

That's 45 card slots and 12 influence spent with no agendas of a 54 card minimum. How do you make this deck not fail miserably?

>> No.47498030

>>47497332
It's definitely not good enough alone, but one Midseason is a given include. Planning to have an agenda stolen? Need the runner tagged, ideally for a long period of time? It's a no-brainer. In terms of ice, Hunter is a great value in both credits and influence. Probably a Data Raven depending on how influence is allotted once I've figured the bigger picture out.

I have two problems with Custom Biotics. One is that forcing tags on the runner involves beating them in economy, and that screams EtF. The other is that I think Mushin would be a good add. It's about the only way to threaten (and occasionally actually score) a Mandatory Upgrades without a massive tempo hit.

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>>47483170
Alright so what the fuck.

Is Thomas Haas a Bioroid or not?

It seems like they're implying bigtime that he is a "next gen" Bioroid of some sort. Between his card's flavor text saying how he was engineered before birth to take over HB and the insert that came with What Lies Ahead it is all-but-confirmed. Not to mention his picture being part of Director Haas' Pet Project.

>> No.47498643

>>47498596
the odds are he's not a full blown bioroid. he's probably a human with an "enhanced" brain. and bioroid parts of his brain have mommy haas' braintapes in them.

>> No.47498660

>>47498643
Well it'll be good fun when he officially becomes a Runner.

>> No.47498825

I wouldn't put it past them that Adam happens to be Thomas' prototype... and/or that Thomas happens to have something to do with what happened to Adam.

Pure speculation though.

>>47498030

Dully noted on the Mushin. I don't know about EtF being strictly *needed* for the tagging though.

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>>47498596
The exact text is
>Thomas, the director's son, has been carefully groomed to inherit the corporation since before he was born. His favorite pastime appears to be disappointing his mother.
Less "engineered", more just what happens to the children of magnates

Add his appearance on The Source and as the "hostage" on Hostage, and his workings with Humanity First in the board game, and I don't think he could be all bioroid - seems a bit too much for any programmed "youthful rebellion" (though it could be deep programming to infiltrate those who will later be his enemies)

In the end I think it's one of those things that will be kept ambiguous because it's more fun that way, like the natures of Apex, some of the more shadowy projects, the (other) Source that Nasir found, etc.

>> No.47501783

>>47501304
What drives me insane about all this vaguesness is what the hell is Project Beale?
What kind of Fast Advanceable research can end up being Government Takeover or World Domination?

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>>47501783
I think it could be a database - you can develop it pretty quickly, but with enough time and effort it could be as valuable as taking over a government, at least in terms of advancing your corporate agenda

>> No.47502147

>>47502114
Oh, yes that makes sense. And Beale in the name implies how completely ciphered the database is, so Runner can never get more than 2 points out of it

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>>47502147
Yeah, I haven't thought about it before, but yeah it's very much like GFI in that regard.

Whereas if a Government Takeover is in your agenda you get some extra security, and have less you need to focus on, but it's obviously a high-risk plan.
There are enormous profits though, should you manage to pull it off

>> No.47503912

>>47502291
>>47502291
Well, you can still make profits if you perform Media Blitz when your plan falls through. Or do Information Exchange. We guys at NBN got you cowered.

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>>47497680
>but you can't build a deck with every alliance card
That seems reasonable, from both a gameplay and a lore perspective - in-game, you probably just can't use them all very well together

In lore, the idea is that the alliance assets are any given megacorp's tight ties to a Mumbad-based corp or individual - in Jinteki's case, that's Jinteki India, which probably follows many real life examples in being separate from the main company - as opposed to any other asset they might have, and the alliance operations, while less location-focussed (save for Salem's, but I'd bet that his organisation has ties around the world), still represent the megacorps collaborating with a local corp to get things done.

It's reasonable that along with your own local ties you might use some of the corps that are connected with one of the other Megas, but to be so well connected that you can use all of them would be a stretch - you give up a lot of your leeway with how much you're investing in the other Mega's interests.

In the asset flood that is mumbad (22/64 corp cards total), it is interesting to see how different things are represented - wholly owned small corps/subsidiaries, facilities operated and political interests being supported publicly - some of which we've seen before, but I think the wholly owned small corp is clearer here

>> No.47504177

>>47503970
The other interesting thing is we have no alliance ice. Its kind of odd, though expected since its easier to electronics than the networks and facilities that are unique to an area.

Also, does anyone know what they're going for with the HB alliance cards? NBN has Salem's organization, Jinteki is trying to continue a conservative culture, and Weyland has a ritzy rolodex. But I can't make out what HB India is doing.

>> No.47504634

>>47504177
Wasn't product recall one? Testing "equipment" and then using military to take it down.

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>>47504177
I think HB's Indian investment is probably the least specific of all of them, for sure - with the India-specific Voting Machine and Clone Suffrage they're looking to hit Jinteki right in a subcontinent-sized market (and they can best do that when not being bothered by runners as well), so they're making a case that Bioroids are better, and are making sure that they are better has led to some significant product recalls, helped out by local pri sec by the looks of it.

Jeeves Models I think are an example of a Localised Product line, but more so; particularly one catered to the Indian ristes (given the pack its in) and a product that happily and blatantly sidesteps the idea that you're getting a person to serve you - what with the caste system in Indian history that's a product clearly designed to oppose what Jinteki does from the ground up, while not requiring the ristes to give any luxuries up.

The other HB cards are easier: they've got a shiny new factory for their shiny new flying cars, they're using advertising to expand this (I still think that's kind of dumb flavour for "lateral growth", but whatever), and they own a smartfabric company, which fits with their future-looking ideas and their significant interests in fashion (as seen in cybernetics court)
And of course they've got some very nice ice and other security stuff, but that's just normal HB

>> No.47504710

By the way, how are flavor inserts from Mumbad cycle coming along?

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>>47504710
I've only seen 2 so far:
http://ancur.wikia.com/wiki/Kala_Ghoda
http://ancur.wikia.com/wiki/Democracy_and_Dogma

>>47504634
There was, but I don't know if it's testing - that's explicitly mentioned in the underway

>> No.47504922

>>47504662
Yeah, I guess that works, but it just makes HB the generic "business" corp. I was hoping for something more unique, but FFG hasn't really been all that great for HB theme. At core set they've made robots and robot accessories, now they make some not robots and person accessories as well.

Its a shame too, since sansan was the first cycle where we really saw something new out of Haas, what with the fashion and the fact that their "consumer products" division who bring the pain. But in Mumbad they're back to the same old flavor.

I've got hopes for Flashpoint at least. Maybe we'll finally get to see the arms manufacturing that Ares promised and didn't deliver. To keep with what we have from SanSan, maybe HB dominates the personal arms markets. They're the guys who sell cybernetically enhanced killing weapons to the man on the street, as opposed to Weyland which markets to governments and PMCs.

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>>47504922
Yeah, they've not been the best at that - generally, they've gotten flavour down pretty well, but there have been a few missed opportunities, especially where Haas, the efficient and often kinda boring corp is concerned - though Ash and Man Upgrades do the efficeincy thing very well, as do the cards that show the Director getting involved.

In the core blurb it mentions:
Haas-Bioroid prides itself on quality craftsmanship and superior design. In addition to bioroids, Haas-Bioroid and its subsidiaries produce commercial-grade and medical cybernetics, prosthetics, industrial robots and machinery, mindmachine interface devices, and consumer electronics.

So the design and car-making stuff is suggested, but in the game they've mainly been "robutts, muh efficiency, snazzy ice"

I could see HB being big in weapons - it's certainly more their thing than anyone other than perhaps Weyland, but they tend to do bigger stuff, applying the force themselves and focusing on aerospace, rather than just selling weapons systems - Hellion and Ares hint that HB do do weapons, but they are a little crap at it at the moment.
Maybe the period of corp violence in flashpoint will let them be good at it.

>> No.47505593

>>47505228
Yeah there's a run on the personal protection market, which leads HB to new and exciting possibilities. They're all holed up in their Haas maintained arcologies and complexes, so the world can go to hell as long as they're still buying. Think weapons vending machines, cybernetic "recycling", and military bioroids. Haas always struck me as the cautious corp, but they might go on the offense once there's blood in the streets.

Of course, what I'd really like to see is a full fleshing out of Haas' dark side. They're not pushing around governments, creating a slave caste, or building a surveillance state. They're a Vanderbilt-style "The public be damned" company, with little to no regard for anything outside their AI maintained walls.

>> No.47506371
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47506371

>>47505593
That makes sense - I don't know if I'd call HB all that cautious, though they're certainly extremely concious of security: hell, just look at the OP pic, that's a great big "fuck off" to the world right there.
Though I might be saying that because while they're pretty isolationist in what they do they're certainly not (small c) conservative - they have the most research agendas, and generally seem forward-looking, but I do see the lack of regard in there a bit, with their "testing" and the fact that it's got an old-style top-down leadership - Jinteki is strongly shaped by Hiro's vision (hell, they moved their main office out of Neotokyo), and maintains a lot of tradition, but HB feels more old-school, to me.
I could definitely see them in their arcologies, but ready to exploit the violence and confusion - they seem more able than the other initially uninvolved player, NBN, they can manipulate it, cover it and exploit it, but HB looks to be more concrete in their potential gains.

I would also like to see the dark side of Haas, along with Shapers - we're told that the Shaper's desire for expression can be monumentally destructive at times, but that's rarely apparent.
Criminals are also a little flat, though they're at least very consistent in how they're portrayed.

Haas I think could be more aggressive depending on the result of the election, and how the whole "Titan exec joins Jinteki, the 23 seconds happens, then she dies" thing revealed in the cycle intro goes - if intercorporate warfare is going on, things could shift - not on a big enough scale to seriously change the balance of power, but to some extent, though as a Weyland fan I must admit I'm more looking forward to what they'll be doing - especially as this would be a good chance for them to get their day in the sun, and they've always been associated with violence (seeing as I mentioned research agendas, they only have one, but they have a lot of Expansion agendas instead, which fits)

>> No.47506703

>>47506371
I'd definitely be up for some darker shaper cards and we'll probably see some good Weyland bits, though Weyland has had a good run since order and Chaos, from a purely thematic perspective. The space angle was a good way to go, the whole public agendas and support thing in Sansan is a great new look, then there's all of ritzy business in Mumbad.

Plus I think they're having the most mechanically interesting cycle in Mumbad. They got their first fast advance option, FFG finally remembered they have tutoring in the color pie, and there's a couple new spins on old themes, like the money making ice Bailiff and tags in Zealous Judge. Its just a shame that the competitive scene started off focused on NBN from the big box and moved on to museum grinding immediately afterward, both of which are partially responses to Faust. I think the only thing that Weyland still "needs" is a viable protection upgrade to make glacier work for them. That and to flesh out their ice pool some more, which is getting on a better track with Mausoleum.

>> No.47507159
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>>47506703
Yeah, thematically at least, Weyland is pretty solid - mechanically they're still a little underwhelming and all over the place, but you can see improvement, and the picture of the faction has become pretty clear.

At first I was a little disappointed when their political asset was just money, but their other interaction with politics in that set, and what it represents - that the control there is very much theirs, and that they can have a say in every alliance Mumbad - is much better.

When added to their return to tutoring, that's pretty cool (though Search Firm will need some serious support), and the upcoming stuff from Liberated Mind looks great too - especially Judge, again showing their control.
Just a shame NBN is kind of overpowering in that pack

>> No.47507254

I think I figured the flavor implication of trope. You usually use trope when your stack is completely empty to refill it, but Trope can never be fullfiiling enough to shuffle your whole heap into stack. To put it simply in flavor terms: Trope program lets you remember what you are like, but in process it flanderizes and simplifies "you".

>> No.47508303

>>47507159
Search firm is pretty useful as is. In faction you can grab mills and zealous judge to hate on particular builds, plus there's always jackson or even mark yale, if you're titan. All of this can be done with ebc, but sysops are all upgrades, so you could grab a batty or even make the twins a bit more playable.

Now let's hope that runner side flatline protection gets more interesting in Flashpoint. Sports Hopper is a good start, but runners are pretty dull in the anti flatline, shaper especially. Would you play something like this ID?

Epictetus, True Believer
1 Link, 17 Influence Shaper
Reduce all damage taken by 1, to a minimum of 1.

The link and influence are to get around the kate problem, since the ability will have varying usage by match up.

>>47507254
That seems pretty fair. Nothing in anarch is free after all

>> No.47508845

>>47487729
The fact that something so mundane that is interwoven into almost everything you do on a daily basis being controlled by a leviathan of an organization to subtly control your life and meet their own goals doesn't scare you?

How do I reach that level of optimism?

>> No.47509269
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47509269

>>47508303
I don't know, a swanky dress and a net shield and that runner is nigh impossible to kill - they'd completely ignore a Vulcan Coverup or Traffic Accident, for example

>> No.47509357

>>47509269
The same could be said of plascrete, they just use cheaper or renewable resources. Plus thousand cuts style damage still works and brain damage is mostly done one at a time.

>> No.47509530

>>47508303
Way too many bonuses in all fronts. A <=10 influence, 0 Link and a condition for the damage reduction would make it much more plausible. Without a precondition, you're only really gimping one faction (Weyland) in the only remaining field it's good at anyway.

>> No.47509912

>>47509530
I would argue it's not even good at it. I played Weyland on flavor for a long time, but switching to NBN has made tag and bag so much easier.

>> No.47510296

>>47508303
Guru.

>> No.47512627 [SPOILER] 
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>>47483170
Answering the question: Fisk

On another news:
Apparently the calculator, sneakdoor zeta, is gone.
RIP sneakdoor zeta.

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>> No.47515026

>>47512627

Been for a few days at least, can still be found via the wayback machine for now.

>>47507254

I really that one. Nice way of putting it too.

>>47506703
>I'd definitely be up for some darker shaper cards

I guess The Price of Freedom is a step in that direction, only it' still ambivalent enough...

>> No.47516820
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47516820

>>47514207
2.0 is better because 2.0 is a leftie.

>> No.47517572

>>47483170
>What's that card you love but never manage to make work quite as you'd wish?

I always manage to botch account siphon somehow. :U

>> No.47520559

>>47516820
Also because 2 brain damage if they faceplant it with <2 clicks.
And you can't click through it completely without click gain.

>> No.47520965

>>47483170
Comet in Haley.

>> No.47520997

>>47520965
Why Haley?

Personally I love the Comet + Exclusive Party combo.

>> No.47521029

>>47520997
Because Haley's Comet probably. I wonder what other space stuff Runners have?

>> No.47521085

>>47521029
It's funny, Comet is Hailey's console, and has similar mechanics, but is heavily anti-synergistic with her ability, because you have to fill your deck with events instead of installable things.

>> No.47521171
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>>47516820
It's also huge

>> No.47521209

>>47521085
Is it? I thought the purpose was to let her play multiples of all card types when you add in her ability. Though I can see why other consoles would probably be a better choice.

>> No.47521267

>>47521209
Between running, drawing cards and using their abilities, there are few chances to have 2 clicks, 2 events and 2 installable cards in your hand each turn. And those events don't get click-compressed until you actually find your Comet.

So it's better to just focus on either one or the other. Specialize to squeeze value out of the abilities.

>> No.47522038

>>47521171
Aw man awesome picture!

>> No.47522328

Does anyone else want to see more Runner "Avatars" on card arts?

>> No.47522656
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47522656

Threadly reminder that Snares win games, in any faction.

>> No.47523706

>>47522328

I don't know about more - if anything should be rare to keep it special, but I like the special case of an ID being represented by an avatar for two reasons.

a) It allows to keep the runner mysterious and self-defined. Which opens great way of characterizing the character through his/her actions by way of other cards.

b) In the case of characters that are already known - say Smoke - it adds characterization you couldn't have any other way, at least not as efficiently.

>> No.47523786

>>47523706
We know Smoke's avatar?
I assume Smoke herself is on Notoriety.

>> No.47523926

>>47523786

No we don't. And yeah Smoke is on a couple of cards already.

So we already know how she looks like. Having her avatar on her ID would be telling us more about the character. How she wants to be seen as others. And that the avatar is more "her" than her body is. At least her as a runner.

Which I find would be interesting given how much of a public person she seems to be (see Notoriety, Daily Casts and LLDS Energy Regulator). Her body becoming the persona while the avatar becomes more what she associates with herself could be an interesting take I guess...

Not really sure if it fits the character as defined that well. But I like the idea.

>> No.47524374

>>47523706
I mean we do have Chaos', Stirling's, and maybe few others. But I honestly would enjoy the cyberspace avatar madness that constantly staring at Runners trying to fit into crowd of New Angeles?

>> No.47524429
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>>47523926
I just think she's a show-off: she hacks giant billboards and broadcasts her face, she hangs around with prominent celebrities; she's notorious and her choice in programs can influence whole swathes of runners

However this begs the question - how is she not getting arrested?
There's no denying it's her, and she makes a spectacle of running, so I wonder how she does it?

Maybe she's a riste, but that doesn't feel right. Maybe the fact that she uses her face is a trick - after all, no-one would be dumb enough to use their actual face, and if the other tracks are clean then there's nothing for the cops to go on

>> No.47524492

>>47524429
>However this begs the question - how is she not getting arrested?
I think she, just like g00ru, is just that damn good.
Such prowess is why we've had neither of them as IDs. They're supposed to be o another level from the regular runners we play as.

>> No.47524507
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>>47488908

>> No.47524613
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>>47524492
I don't know - we've seen her, after all (a la Silhouette in Executive Wiretaps), but g00ru remains a mystery.

I think we'll see her, but she might be a replacement for CT or something - who, incidently is seen on and quoted on cards outside the block she's in when rotation happens - as an ID she'll go away, but she'll remain in the lore, which I think is pretty good, they'll maintain a "cast" of characters, even if you can't play them all at the same time

>> No.47524643

There any specific spot to sell my collection, or should I just hit eBay?

>> No.47525417

>>47524613
Oh, She is also in the Source.

>> No.47525458

>>47524613
Possible reason for Chaos "leaving" the game: She was among hackers why were playing inside Titan's mainframe during those 23 seconds, and she either got scared and is laying low, or simply felt satisfied for time being. Or being a shaper it could be both.

>> No.47525478

>>47525458
Or got caught afterwards.

>> No.47526317

>>47525458

Or shenanigans with NBN and wanting to have some intimacy back.

Wait out till she's no more young and fashionable media market to make a quiet come back.

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>>47525458
Like I said, she's still in art and quotes and things, including a couple of permenant cards - but she's one of two soon-to-be-rotating runners in Mainframe, so that could be a canonical explanation for it - though her, Whiz and Andy (who's also in Mainframe) still being around even when not playable could also make sense, but I guess that's just going to depend on how they deal with rotation vis a vis the lore of the game

>> No.47528876
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I swear, half of Weyland is just Anarchs who decided to put on a suit and get paid to blow things up instead

>> No.47529872
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>>47528876
That explains why I'm so comfortable playing Weyland/Anarch.

>> No.47529972

>>47529872

Same. Both factions even have the high variance, high risk/high reward thing supposedly going for them.

>> No.47530760

Something I hadn't thought of someone mentioned to me today, and I just have to do that now: Government Takeover/Exchange of Information deck.

>> No.47531015

Any ideas on how to make a fluff/theme centered Haarpsichord deck? While I enjoy my current one, I feel like there is way to make more "flavor centered" deck.
I just really enjoy making movies okay?

>> No.47531209

>>47530760
A lot of people think of that and Vanity Project, but personally I can't stomach the idea of losing from two stolen agendas.

>> No.47531298

>>47531209

All jank or nothing! I'm thinking of going Argus and an army of one pointers.

>> No.47531852

>>47531015

I'd say just mostly concentrate on SanSan cycle cards.

So, Award Bait and Exploda-Palooza, Old Hollywood Grid, Early Premiere, Casting Call. This seems like your main core of cards.
Franchise City and Product Placement too, I guess. Sensie Actors Union? And then Full Immersion Rec Studio.

Ther's some weird somewhat lateral build hinted by that selection. I'd start from there.

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>> No.47535317

Identity Donor reprint in Criminal. What do you think? I don't think it'd be too strong, since I've Had Worse is probably an all around better card. It be a nice boost imo

>> No.47535459
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47535459

>>47535317
>Identity Donor
Huh, that is a powerful card, but I think they've said that they're moving away from doing reprints, though they could always look to it for inspiration.

Also, I think pic related might be ANR's equivalent to ID donor, but unfortunately comes from the under-performing early cycles.

Though I have had thoughts about using it against IG's net damage - BEA doesn't say "may", and if they allowed the block it'd be a good time (assuming one has the clicks/money) to archive dive and/trash hostile shit.

>> No.47535506

>>47526674
I wanna ride that dinosaur.

>> No.47536061
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47536061

Hmm, with Jeeves making SEA-Triple Scorch an option, I'm wondering how to make it happen.
My initial thoughts are a very operation-heavy deck with Mumbad City Hall and Consulting Visit, possibly with Accelerated Diagnostics (handily, 1 inf) and Shutdown.

Despite the inf limits I'm kind of thinking GRNDL, for the necessary startup cash, but going for 1-inf Haas Transactions could be good in core Weyland

And there's a very obvious name for such a deck, clearly it should be called "The Butler Did It"

>> No.47536465
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47536465

Dumb question, seeing as there's pretty much no reason to do it, but what happens if you Exchange a non-agenda agenda, like an Executive?

>> No.47536628

>>47536465
They are added to the runner's score are as an agenda in the first place, so they keep being an agenda.

>> No.47536691

>>47536628
If that's true, imagine the silliness of swapping Political Graffiti with any of the executives.

>> No.47536698

>>47536691
Political Graffiti isn't an agenda. It's a hosted condition on an agenda.

>> No.47536720

>>47536628
And they keep being worth points too?

I guess rescuing the boss from whatever the runner has on them gets you a lot of approval in the corp

>> No.47537806
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47537806

>>47536465
That could be fun with Domestic sleepers and big agendas like Vanity Project, MUpgrades or GFI.

Though both of those neutrals use influence, which kind of sucks

>> No.47538589

>>47537806
I like Domestic Sleepers with Efficiency Comittee. Those 3 extra clicks are just perfect to turn EC into a 4/3 with the help of DS.

>> No.47539448
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Two cards for the Flashpoint Cycle got teased in the latest Archived Memories, art for a card called Enforcing Loyalty (from the file name) and pic related.

>> No.47539473

Are there any straight forward big-rig or glacier style decks in meta right now?

>> No.47539495

>>47539448
Got link?

>> No.47539510
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>>47539495
Here you go.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/5/31/android-archived-memories-6-2016/

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>>47539510
>https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/5/31/android-archived-memories-6-201

>> No.47539697

>>47539510

Thanks, had missed the update.

Interesting read. I wonder where they'll be going with that murder mystery bit.

>>47539677

Seems like you accidentally a few.

>> No.47539707

>>47539677
Sucks to be you. It's a new interview with Damon Stone.

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>>47539677
Works for me fampai

>> No.47539820

>>47539727
>>47539707
>>47539697
it works now tnx

>> No.47539871

>>47539473
HB EtF is pretty glacier. So there's that.
Depends what we are talking about Big Rig. I find that decks like stealth and transient rigs like pitchfork are pretty big rig nowadays. Hayley is particularly suited for this since she halves the clicks she needs to install all the parts.

>> No.47539897
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>>47539510
Hmm, I wonder if that's Tri-Maf/Yak loyalty or Jinteki loyalty that's being enforced there?

>> No.47539987

>>47539897

Not like the propositions are mutually exclusive.

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>> No.47542195

>>47539448
I could see use for that in Haarpsichord. And even somewhat makes sense from flavor-perspective.

>> No.47542246

>>47542195
I see it in Argus. With plenty of 1-of to trigger the ability.

>> No.47542302

>>47539448
Fan site punish :P

>> No.47542502

>>47542246

And Government Takeover/Exchange of Information.

The plot thickens.

(That's one of hte things I reproach to spoilers at times, makes me postpone playing stuff almost as much as it make sme look forward to playing stuff).

>> No.47542528

>>47542302

Weyland sending you a C&D letter for your Fansite and demanding you allow for some benefit to be made out of your work must pack quite a punch.

>> No.47544162

>>47521085

Quite the contrary, her console *is* meant to synergize with her quite well. Haley's all about click compression and mass installs, but in order to take full advantage of that ability you need both cards to install and credits to install them both of which Haley can run dry on quickly if you aren't careful. if only you could, oh... Quality Time and Sure Gamble with one click and have a full hand and plenty of money to install all those goodies on your next click.

essentially Comet lends itself to a heavily event-based economy/draw engine, which doesn't necessarily have to run counter to Haley's core strategy

>> No.47544485

>>47544162
Or you can run a program/resource econ engine and be way more synergistic.

>> No.47545211

>>47542246
Add in 3 News Team, and you can have a maximum of 9 agendas for 27 credits.

>> No.47546854

>>47545211
With news teams and 1-pointers you could cap at 12.

>> No.47547145

>>47546854
15 out of HB with News Teams, Fan Sites, 1 pointers and Domestic Sleepers, so $45

>> No.47548043

>>47547145
Add in Shi.Kyu for 18, and at which point the opponent leaves because you won't finish the damn game, hah. Wonder what ID would fit 1-point agenda spam in HB?

>> No.47550874

Brainstorm is slowly becoming one of my favorite pieces of ice, two out of the three times I've rezzed it it put the runner into negative hand size.

>> No.47553686

>>47550874
How. Have they always overdrawn before faceplanting it with no breaker?

>> No.47554751

>>47553686
Against Faust maybe? And I'm super slow but I just realized how effective Komainu and Brainstorm can be against Faust decks.

>> No.47554784

>>47554751
Nah, they'd just break all of its subs. 0 brain damage, but still empty hand. Congrats, your Brainstorm is now a Komainu.

Besides, Mimic usually accompanies Faust.

>> No.47555622

How bad of an idea is it to put a Checkpoint behind a Checkpoint?

>> No.47555638
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>>47555622
Why would it be bad?

>> No.47555774
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>>47555622
I've actually done that once, it has a couple of good points, but two major flaws.

The most obvious is that you need some way to handle the BP, though this doesn't apply on the first run through.

The second is that one of, if not the absolute most common decoders is gordian blade, which turns any number of a give strength code gates into effectively one.
When this came up, my opponent said this is was the first time he'd actually gotten to use it.
(actually, thinking about it, this may have been double wormhole, but the point stands)

Could be cool with Marcus Batty though, now that I think about it

>> No.47555833

>>47555774
Other cool combos would be things that punish/prohibit jacking out, but they're all jinteki - Inazuma and Port Anson (2 inf apiece, same as Checkpoint) are probably the standouts, though Inazuma will still just be an elaborate way of saying "end the run", which is probably the biggest disappointment of Checkpoint - it looks nasty, but really it's just a fancy ETR.
On the other hand it's a cheap Weyland codegate, so that's not too terrible a thing for it to be

>> No.47556091

>>47555774
A big point of shaper core breakers is that all of them force the Corp to diversify their ICE in a given server for more reasons than just gearcheck. As already mentioned, the tax of boosting strength is reduced, effectively cutting costs by half.

>> No.47556096

>>47555833
Rather than ETR I think it serves the same purpose as Data Raven, it forces the runner to stop and prepare for the consequences to run on a server with it, giving you some time to do something. The bad pub makes it sometimes cheaper to fight the trace though. I guess there's Surveillance Sweep, but that just reinforces "Weyland is better in other factions" thing.

There aren't many ways for recursion in corps better than Museum or Jackson at the moment right? And maybe Interns.

>> No.47556239
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>>47556096
HB has recursion - the most used example would be Architect and Team Sponsorship, but Reclamation Order, Archived Memories, CSM and Vitruvius also are things, though those are mostly recurring to HQ or the board, not R&D (technically Rework does allow for full recursion/shuffling agendas back to R&D, but no-one plays Rework).

It's just that the rest of HB's pie is good, so their recursion isn't the thing they're known for.

There's also a scattering of other things - Crick, Ad Blitz and Hades, for example, but Jackson and now Museum, are the stars

>> No.47557576

I once made four deep scoring server with Archangel, Tollbooth, Archangel, Tollbooth. Feels good to be rich NBN.

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47557853

>>47557576
It's not so much that NBN is rich, but that they got a bunch of GODLY ICE super cheap. Resistor, Wraparound, Archangel, News Hound, Turnpike. With all these cheap ICE they can hold their economy much better. Enough to being able to rez Tollbooth and SanSan with minimum impact.

>> No.47560181

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>> No.47561896
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RIP paperwall

>> No.47562049

>>47561896

Yeah, Vanilla leaves me with my head scratching.

>> No.47562866

>>47562049
Nevertheless, Paper Wall opens an interesting design space that was not explored. ICE that self-destruct when all its subs are broken.

Now, spin that idea.

This little bitch
Weyland
Cost 4
Influence 2
Sentry AP Destroyer
Strength 0
If all subroutines are broken during a single encounter, trash 1 program and trash This little bitch.
>Trash 1 program
>Do 2 meat damage

Clearly inspired by Cobra.

>> No.47562978

>>47562866
Parasite food much?

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>>47562978
You can say the same for all strength 0 ICE. They still exists and do plenty of work.

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>>47562866
>ICE that self-destruct when all its subs are broken.
I feel that if you had it do something to the runner when broken (net, trashing the breaker that was used, a tag) that could be a cool idea - you break it, you get to trash it, but you'll suffer for it

Hell, that could work even without self-trashing "when X is trashed while being encountered by the runner, do Y" would also work for everything except a sustained Parasite

Probably just a pipe dream

>> No.47565656

>>47562866

I think it's lovely idea, but a bit too strong. I mean, I kinda understand where you're coming from with the two damages given Faust, but I don't think it's a good idea in the long run.

Something like 4 res, 0 str, two subroutines:

->ETR
->Give the runner a tag
If all subroutines are broken during a single encounter, trash 1 program and trash

Probably too conservative, but that's where I'd go. Or you could go potentially harsher with the trash penalty: "If all subroutines are broken during a single encounter, end the runner's turn at the end of the run".

Oh well, you're rihgt it does open interesting design space.

>> No.47566736

>>47565656
I would give it sentry codegate and barrier with 3 subs, etr, tag, and 2 net damage, for 3 to rez, as it gives the runner choices, especially if the end the run is first.

>> No.47567624
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I'd like to see more ice with non-subroutine effects in general.

>> No.47568600

>>47565656
I'd be fine with a 7 rez, 5 str, single ETR sub with "If all subroutines are broken during a single encounter, you may trash this ICE to end the run." for surprise barrier shenanigans.

>> No.47571485

>>47568600
Either you etr or etr. Funny

>> No.47572543

>>47483170
>What's that card you love but never manage to make work quite as you'd wish?

Not a single card, butI want to make Game Day / Origami work out of Hayley and it doesn't really work.

>> No.47572578

>>47572543
I have a good experience with Beach Party / Game Day both with Hayley and Nasir (Faust Nasir). Origami also needs extra MU, so that's one extra hurdle.

>> No.47572629

>>47572578
Ekomind?

>> No.47572689

>>47572629
Precisely, 3 influence, + 2 for each origami. It's a tough sell for Hayley. It's easier to just play 6 NetChips and a Bazaar.

>> No.47572716

>>47572578
Do you use Adjusted Chronotype, or do you sell Beach Party to Aesop's, or something else?

The MU is a problem. If you're doing this, you almost have to use Box-E for the memory and hand size, though I've played around with NetChip (very useful for keeping spare SMCs!) and other solutions. Ultimately the big frustration is that I can't fit a Stealth Rig into it, because Stealth Hayley is the very best.

>> No.47572760

>>47572716
Yep. Gotta love those pancakes. The Nasir deck in particular even had the Gene Shoppe to get 2 Beach Parties and a hand size of 15 cards. Of course, tutors and Deus X were a must.
I wonder, now that we have Panchatantra, that Deus X might do even more work.

>> No.47572975

>>47567624
A Jinteki piece of ICE that ETR, but do 1 net damage when broken.

>> No.47573277

In other news, someone just told me it seems a tournament was won using a DDOS/False Echo build.

The jank is real!

>> No.47573378

So here's a skeleton for a deck idea I have.

(30 cards)
Argus Security: Protection Guaranteed
-- Agenda (12 cards)
3 Chronos Project
2 False Lead
3 Global Food Initiative
2 Project Atlas
2 Underway Renovation
-- Asset (10 cards)
3 Dedicated Response Team
2 Ibrahim Salem
2 Jackson Howard
3 News Team
-- ICE (2 cards)
2 Data Raven
-- Operation (6 cards)
3 Interns
3 Scorched Earth

Basically set up Ravens on R&D and a scoring remote, tax and shave off meat damage defenses via DRTs, and Scorch if any tags remain after the turn ends. News Team to make winning by points even harder, Ibrahim Salem for trashing any nasty Event cards from the runner's hand, while Jackson and Interns to put any trashed assets or ice back into play.

The reason I'm posting however is because I am completely blanking out on any economy cards or ice that has synergy with this. Any suggestions? I kind of want Space Ice + Constellation Protocol + Ice Walls for my remaining ice, but I'm worried if that would require too many pieces. Also aiming for 49 cards since I don't have enough sleeves.

>> No.47573494

>>47573378

The big thing if you're going with low value agenda is that you're in all likelihood going to spend more clicks on advancing them than you would otherwise. Add, something like Runaway where you kinda want to IA-AAA for maxing out card trash in your score window, and that's a lot of clicks/money spent per point.

Which would make me walk away from advance-able ICE on principle, unless you have some shared synergy with it (say the recurring recon from a Root or Simone Diego, or Trick of Light). And even then. Overall, if going that way I'd advise you limit yourself to low cost ICE for those you won't advance.

Also, given your strat Casting Call. Because it's lovely (someone will mention SNARE! later, but let's try to avoid the classics for now).

>> No.47573516

>>47573378
In my GRNDL rigshooter I'm using agendas, GRNDL refinery, and back channels for my economy (and a couple restructures). With plenty ambushes to keep them guessing whether I'm advancing an agenda, an AggSec, or a refinery.
Pretty low econ though, but a single refinery sets me up for the entire game (assuming 5-6 advancements).

>> No.47573536

>>47573378

Also, I may be the only one, but I enjoy Hourglass in Argus.

>> No.47573789

>>47573494
Gonna have to agree with the advancing ice thing, since after putting it together it was basically a whole different deck core. Neat, especially with Constellation -> 8-9 advancement on Searchlight/Ice Wall -> Back Channels, but I'll save that for a different deck I guess.

Casting Call does seem lovely, but I don't know if I can afford losing 1-2 News Team or the Jacksons. Probably worth it despite the possible quicker end, but it does require atleast 1 DRT on the table already. Maybe replace Atlas with Oaktown to profit from Casting Call further?

>>47573516
I thought of something similar on a different deck, and while it was fun it definitely had low econ as well, mostly relying on a sneaked out Profiteering and Refinery. Might be fun, though that means I'd still require some taxing ice in front of it, probably with one or two Red Tapes. What kind of ice do you have for it?

Also, Sneakdoor Zeta is gone now, correct?

>> No.47574077

>>47573789
Wormholes and Wendigos, Archers and Nebulas. 7 barriers to balance it out. Couple Swordsman for Fausts.
I love how good are Wendigos for gearchecks.

And yeah, SDZ guy stopped paying the domain.

>> No.47574110

>>47573789
Oh, and GRNDL definitely helps with the low econ. Plus all those hostile takeover.

>> No.47574327

>>47572689
I can't see playing Bazaar in Hayley. I can already install stuff fast; my bottleneck is usually what I have in hand or number of credits rather than click compression.

>> No.47575499

>>47573378
>>47573494
>>47574077

I think I have something I'm satisfied with.

(49 cards)
Argus Security: Protection Guaranteed
-- Agenda (12 cards)
3 Chronos Project
2 False Lead
3 Global Food Initiative
2 Project Atlas
2 Underway Renovation
-- Asset (11 cards)
3 Dedicated Response Team
3 GRNDL Refinery
1 Ibrahim Salem
2 Jackson Howard
2 Project Junebug
-- ICE (17 cards)
2 Archer
1 Bailiff
2 Data Raven
3 Ice Wall
1 Nebula
2 Negotiator
2 Spiderweb
2 Wendigo
2 Wormhole
-- Operation (9 cards)
2 Back Channels
2 Casting Call
2 Hedge Fund
1 Interns
2 Scorched Earth

Went for Negotiator basically to fuel Wormhole in the case that I need the program trashing but Nebula and Archer aren't up yet, while getting credit gain and be a minor tax with no sentry breakers. Went for Junebug over AggSec due to influence. Went for Atlas+Underway vs Oaktown since I'd like the 3/2 ratio, plus since a Casting Called Underway Renovation seems like a more painful choice.

Cards I'm not sure about are Ibrahim, Bailiff, Wendigo, and Spiderweb. Ibrahim is sure to be useful, but 3 agenda forfeits when paired with Archer might not be worth a rez. Bailiff's good early but relatively useless past mid. I might switch it with Red Tapes for Wormhole shenanigans, but it does leave me down a Barrier. Wendigo can deter a run depending on the ice behind it, but having no ice up yet could be detrimental. Spiderweb was basically chosen out of reflex for the subs.

Also, I was worried about being agenda flooded earlier, until I realized/remembered I'm Argus I could just throw the one-pointers into Archives until a Jackson pops up, especially with an early DRT available.

>> No.47576066

>>47575499
>>47574077 here. I have Corporate Town in your Ibrahim slot. It's a costly must-trash for anarchs, and it would free you a bunch of influence.
I like Bailiff so far. Extra credits and fracter gearcheck, amazing stuff for my rigshooter. Besides, when I'm trashing fracters with power shutdowns, nothing is useless past mid.
Wendigo definitely deters runs on unrezzed ICE if they have programs installed, the cost of facing an Archer is too great, and if not, they can't use whatever to deal what is behind. This includes Mediums, Datasuckers, and SMC. I love positional ICE.
Instead of Negotiator I'd play Cobra. More choices for the Wormhole.

>> No.47576220

>>47572975
That seems really powerful honestly.

>> No.47576250

>>47576220
It's essentially a delayed Data Mine. A reverse Chum.

>> No.47576273

>>47576066
Ooh, I was thinking that I lacked defense against Film Critic, Corporate Town seems perfect. I'll just have to rely on sniping those Levys out of their hands or using Underway I guess. Ibrahim is free too by the way, due to the Alliance thing.

You sold me on Bailiff and Cobra, I'll run a few games with them first and see how I like them. I kind of want to fit in Power Shutdown but I don't think I can, barring throwing out a Hedge Fund and a GRNDL.

>> No.47576523

>>47576273
I don't think Corporate Town is a really good defense against Film Critic. It's fine, but far from perfect. Corporate Town is like the nuke solution, pretty hard to activate.
I rather pick Contract Killer to kill any Critic, since for you that's a real concern to trigger your ID, and add a few Dedication Ceremony. Amazing synergy with the refineries and Underway Renovation.

>PS: That flavour on Contract Killer and Dedication Ceremony to kill Film Critics attending the event.

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>>47576523
>to kill Film Critics attending the event
Damn, that's really good. Film Critic has such stupid flavour, but it's nice when it can be made to work

>> No.47576722

>>47576523
Hmm, Dedication Ceremony does look like a pretty interesting replacement to Hedge Fund. atleast with a GRNDL installed. Not sure about Contract Killer over Corporate Town though, other than Critic what would be some other common resources to be worried about? If there aren't too many than Contract Killer would probably be the preferred choice. If it can disrupt the Runner enough though I'd probably go with Corporate Town.

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>>47576722
Shooting Kati is always fun, but Corp Town is a one size fits all solution, at the cost of being harder to do on demand, and of course the lost agenda (though Eliza's can pay for that, which is something I've wanted to try for a while)

>> No.47576841

>>47576722
Corporate Town is certainly more general use, you can kill Wyldsides and Gang Signs with it. Plus DLR and SecTests.
CK kills Aesops, Katis, Critics, ProCon. I don't know how is your meta, but maybe you can also kill MGM, Scrubbers, TriMaf, Dr Lovegood, and Guru Davinder.

>> No.47576926

>>47576800
>>47576841
Guess I'll replace Hedge Fund with Dedication Ceremony, and go with 2 GRNDLs and 2 Killers for now. I'll change it up if the extra Killer is unnecessary, or if the economy is too tight.

Thanks for the help guys, really appreciate it.

>Toybox
I really want to make a deck where you just install expensive ice and collect credits until you draw Toybox, then make the runner regret ignoring it and rezzing everything.

>> No.47577174

>>47576926
I think Blue Sun and Jeeves might be a way around it - J-man gives you an extra click while the Toybox rezzes things for free, but I think speed and protecting the assets would be a serious issue

>> No.47577866

Hi newbie here (purchased core 2 days ago) and mtg veteran where can I read about how the economy and deck building

>> No.47578100

>>47577866
http://stimhack.com/
There's a bunch of other bloggers, but stimhack is a hub for those kind of articles.

A few more:
https://self-modifyingcode.com/
https://runawaynode.wordpress.com/
http://eriktwicereviews.com/tag/netrunner/

>> No.47578155

>>47578100
https://sneakdoor.wordpress.com/

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>>47578155
>>47578100
These links should replace the article and blogs section in the OP. Reminder for the next thread.

>> No.47579368

>>47578100
Was that one dude that was a total ass during a tournament related to Stimhack? If so, is their content still worth reading despite that?

>> No.47579463

>>47579368
Every content is worth reading. Just take everything you read with a grain of salt.
Anyway, not everything in stimhack is written by him. As a matter of fact, he barely write at all.

>> No.47581862

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>> No.47584594

Anyone have PDFs of any of the Android novels?

>> No.47585182

>>47584594

https://www.sendspace.com/file/uzc97s

That's all I have. Enjoy your incomplete dolphin porn.

>> No.47586315

>>47584594
Only this one

>>47585182
Which ones?

>> No.47588290

Man, I love this new era of asset spam. It provides a solid foundation to corporation development. Getting Corporations grow through different projects feels very corporate. I still think it's absurd the amount of recursion and tutoring (MCH mind you) they got, but the rest is amazing. The whole Political subtype, Political Dealings, Divisions like Smartfabrics and Construction Co. I wonder if this might bring back things like Docklands.

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>> No.47590490

>>47588290

Docklands Crackdown?

If so how so? I'm not following you on that one.

>> No.47591464

>>47590490
I just like interesting assets.

>> No.47592411

>>47588290
It does cause a few cards to turn into more or less auto-includes though, such as Museum and Mumba Temple, as well as move away from the typical 'install ice, get through ice' routine. Though I guess that was what happened when Jackson was first introduced didn't it?

And the new interaction between Runner and Corp also isn't that unwelcome, my only worry would be when introducing newbies into the game as it is quite different from the strategies used in the core set, though even that is a minor concern as it could just excite them to buy expansions instead.

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BLOOD MONEY

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/6/3/blood-money/

>> No.47592842

>>47592749
>Builder of Nations
Oh my god.

>> No.47592947
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>>47592842
What would you do with 40 cards Weyland? Goverment Takeover much?

>> No.47592961

>>47592749
Temujin Contract is nuts.

>> No.47592967
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>>47592947
Literally a Fund.

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>>47592967
Recycling the old Security Subcontract idea of trashing cards for a refund. I like it.

>> No.47593013
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>>47592994
New Runner that installs icebreakers whenever she passes ICE. 40 cards too. Clickless installs are my favourite type of installs.

>> No.47593039
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>>47593013
Whenever = first time.
And her version of bank job. Needs 5 runs to get it all, and the server is fixed. But that's pretty cool too. I'm thinking doppelganger?

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>>47593039
Also card fan with CT crying. Sad days, first her dino, now this.

>> No.47593075

>>47593039
Just plop it on HQ and you're set.

>> No.47593140

>>47593055
That enforcing loyalty is going to be sick. Remainder that neutral cards does not match the Runner's identity.

Credit Crash looks pretty cool too. For a single credit you can either trash shit or force the Corp to pay the costs.

>>47593075
Why HQ? It works just the same in R&D. Get 4 credits every turn while R&D lock the Corp.
Interesting bit is that, unlike bank job and sectest, it doesn't replace access.

>> No.47593229

>>47593140
Criminals have a lot of tools to harass HQ, so if the corp is low on ice, you can put thin on there to double-dip. If they ice HQ heavily, yeah R&D is a better target.

>> No.47593269

>>47592947
How are the other 40 card identities usually used? Quick setup I'm guessing, so probably fast money -> midseasons? If this gets the same ruling as Engineering the Future's "install a card during runner's turn, gain credit" thing though, then a fast setup mid run damage deck with An Offer You Can't Refuse could be really fun.

>>47592967
This looks the most unwieldy of the new cards. 6 credits and 2 turns to start profiting, cheap trash, 2 to regain. I'm guessing this was created with Beth from 23 Seconds in mind?

>>47592994
I've always liked Security Subcontract for rewarding you while resetting the known board state, this is even better.

>>47593055
CT has been down in some hard times lately, hope she gets happier cards.

>> No.47593734

>>47593013
>>47593039
Fun fact, Temüjin is the former name of Genghis Khan. Get it? Like the new Runner.
Also, Temüjin means blacksmith.

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>>47592947
Sweet black fucking sabbath

Time to dress stylishly - no more ugly plascrete, get the sweet bodysuit and the fancy car instead

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>>47592947
Cleaner of Nations

>> No.47593931

>>47593055
Huh, Loyalty should follow the same rules as Stock Exchange vis-a-vis neutral cards.
I think there's a lot of opportunity there.

>> No.47594619

>>47593739
Isn't rotation hitting at the same time as Flashpoint?

>> No.47594770

>>47594619
No. Flashpoint is the sixth cycle. Rotation hits at 8th. We still have a whole cycle in between.

>> No.47594798

>>47594770
Ah. I am almost sad about that. It would have been a neat way to justify the rotation.

>> No.47594826

>>47594798
It's not like anybody is going to actually consider muresh anyway. Before that we have Employee Strike.

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>>47594826
>Employee Strike
Man, that's such an annoying card when your ID is only a minor benefit - I play BWBI a lot, and I feel like going "really? fucking REALLY?" when it gets played

>> No.47595249

>>47593055
Theory's two dads look super cute. It's sad what a crisis like this does to a happy family.

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>>47595249

>> No.47595414 [SPOILER] 
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>>47595249
Sure, sad, that's one word for it.
t. Weyland

though I do like that we can see Dino's had some repair work, Dino best console

>> No.47595425

Hmmm... a new 2.0... Code gate... I wonder which it's going to be... doesn't look like Hudson.

Or, maybe, a 2.0 with no 1.0?

Overall, Flashpoint makes me so far more enthused than Mumbad has been. Obviously, we'll see.

I like the mobility of Credit Crash, if compared with more efficient, but also more narrow equivalent. God, the return of Red Queen seems like it's going to make for awesome/awful (depending on which side of the table) anti-econ decks.

>> No.47595450

Oh, and the Chaos Theory bullying needs to stop FFG writers, you sadistic bunch!

>> No.47595526

>>47595425
Given Ops look powerful this cycle, interesting that it can make the corp trash them, or pay twice to play them

>> No.47595540

>>47592967

That's... awfully slow... I guess the cool thing is the insta-cashing. Making it a priority target for a runner once in effect. Good way to elicit a run I guess.

Card reminds me of Rex Campaign in a way. Love the idea mechanically, I have a feeling we might just be a minority to play it.

I kinda like Temujin, but it's the very definition of win more. Thank god it's unique.

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>>47595425
>a 2.0 with no 1.0?
I think that's the case. At first I thought it said something like "must trash one of his installed cards", but in that case it would say something like Markus 1.0 sub. So I have no clue what it does.

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>>47595540
One thing that's worth noting, money in your credit pool (as opposed to in you Vaults and Funds) may not always be a good thing - Flashpoint is introducing cards that care about it (Beth KRC >>47565274 is an example, and a damn strong one at that), so it may have extra value from depowering/powering cards that care about the corp's credits

>> No.47595692

>>47595540

To expand, I think Temujin is a cool way to re-balance the absence of native bad pub in Crim. From a power-curve level, I think it's equivalent with different qualities. But it allows for disgusting explosive abuse of a server if the corp can't patch a security leak with new ICE.

AND I mist say I'm terrified of the idea of this imported in a an Anarch ICE trash/ani econ Keyhole build. Just imagine.. DDOS, 4 Keyhole runs at no cost AND the Temujin cash influx.

Disgusting. Leela could use that well enough.

>> No.47595722

>>47595540
By the second turn it already paid itself (6 credits in it, second trigger starts adding credits to it, same amount needed to cash it all) so it's not so absurdly slow.

>> No.47595728

>>47595687

Yeah, I'm trying to keep that in mind. Hopefully it creates interesting situations.

>> No.47595814

>>47595722

Yes, but you have to put the credits in before you win anything. You have to be able to have those 6 less in your pool. That card isn't really 0 to rez, it's 6 to rez, but you can and must pay in two payments over two turns.

Turn one: install.
Turn two: rez, put three from the bank
Turn three: put three from the bank. Put two from the bank. You're at 0 benefit if you cash in.
Turn four: put two credits from the bank. That's your first real benefit.

Or am I misreading?

>> No.47595842

>>47595814
>Turn one: install.
>Turn two: rez, put three from your pool
>Turn three: put three from your pool. Put two from the bank. You're at 0 benefit if you cash in.
>Turn four: put two credits from the bank. That's your first real benefit.

My bad, corrected.

>> No.47595935

Just noticed that Weyland ID isn't a division... First Megacorp ID we've had in a long while if I'm not mistaken. And given the name, it does look like we're seeing the "real Weyland", so to speak.

>> No.47596006

>>47595935
Looks like Damon Stone wants to rebuild the game to his liking.

>> No.47596322

>>47592947
>>47593013
So is 40/12 a new standard like 45/15?

>> No.47596432

OH GOD! I just realized... Enforcing Loyalty isn't limited to connections, it's *any* card. Corroder/Mimic/Faust Kill out of faction.

Anyway... Weyland Consortium...

First question for me is Cleaners or Hollywood or both? Government Takeover?

Looks to me like a deck that's going to play in low econ mode. I wouldn't mind three Shipment from Kaguya in there.

Ice Wall a must. That new Flashpoint code gate could do some work. I kinda like the idea of Wendigo doing damage... but is the gear-checking worth it?

>> No.47596926

>>47596432
>but is the gear-checking worth it?
As I said above, my rigshooter deck is all about keeping the runner in gearcheck. For that purpose Wendigo does godly work, keeping them all the time shuffling their rigs. I particularly like it against Lady.

>> No.47596974

>>47596006
There's a line in the announcement that might be interpreted to mean that we'll see the Megacorp subtype revisited (probably at least partly for rotation, if that's the case) and thus will likely generate a lot of hype:
>Moreover, since the Twenty-Three Seconds incident has pushed each of the Corps toward desperation, and the Flashpoint Cycle offers us a new version of each, which comes baring its teeth

Alternately, "version" could mean playstyle

>>47596322
Not really, just the last 40 ID

>> No.47597517

>>47596974

Yeah, after what happened with the shot down expectations of one ID per faction in Mumbad, I'm not going to get my hopes up.

Still, interesting.

The real Question for Wendigo is really going to be the pace of the deck.

I think if the econ can be managed, Housekeeping could be great in that one. Rush-kill deck where there runner needs to tech fast but loses cards that open a kill-shot, which in turn open scoring windows?
I like that.

All the more now we can tutor operations.

Oh, and Liquidation is a transaction, so there's that.

>> No.47598951

I'm excited to see what new HB toys we have to play with. I love HB, but runners just feel too...safe, running against HB. Jinteki, Weyland, and NBN all have kill threats, or else ways to punish arrogant runners with tags or pain. HB has brain damage, but it's frequently impossible to land or not worth the bother, and program trashing is similarly difficult.

I want HB to get out there and hurt some people. Break some rigs. Leave some runners drooling in their rigs, send high-end military bioroids to secure their shit, and otherwise the fear of Director Haas into some anarchist punks.

>> No.47598993

So... how does that meat damage from advanced ICE translate in fluff?

Energy spike while encountering the ICE?

>> No.47599007

>>47598993
A little signature that the distruction happy Weyland coder left in the ice as he was updating it

>> No.47599028

>>47598993
Probably more like low-level physical harassment from Weyland against anyone who runs on their protected servers (or anyone who they think might have run on their protected servers).

>> No.47599284

>>47598951

Never been big on HB myself, but given what Mumbad started (the anti tutoring/recursion tech, the run trigger, if anything), I must say I'm quite curious about what's upcoming for them too.

>> No.47599657

>>47599284
>Never been big on HB myself, but given what Mumbad started (the anti tutoring/recursion tech, the run trigger, if anything), I must say I'm quite curious about what's upcoming for them too.

The big thing is that the new cycle is (theoretically, at least) all about corp aggression, which HB has basically none of. They have, what, Hellion Alpha Test? Who the hell *ever* plays Hellion Alpha Test. All of HB's ways to actively reach out and hurt the runner have to be imported.

I want to blow up the runner's rig and melt their brain for good measure.

>> No.47600030

>>47599657
>Who the hell *ever* plays Hellion Alpha Test?

Guilty as charged. I've had a lot of fun with that card, it's like the Spanish Inquisition or something. Since we're talking HB aggression, I've even played Project Ares (I understand why they didn't want it to be a 3/2, but given the high cost, the trash should have started from a simple score... oh well).

>> No.47601320

>>47598993
You enforce higher physical security on any invested server protection. Limited access points, hardwired data lines, and armed patrols. Enough that any high priority server now requires a little bit of legwork to get at, since you can't just find it on the net but have to get out there and risk life and limb against corpsec. Not a lot, just a rent a cop or two, but enough to be a hazard. But after you find an access point for that day, running is easy until they post new guards tomorrow.

>> No.47601442

>>47601320

But then how does that tie the meat damage to the ICE advancement?

>> No.47601584

>>47600030
>Guilty as charged.

Shine on, you crazy diamond. But I still want them to print HB cards that can ruin the runner's day and are actually good. HB's decent ways of doing damage are...advanceable traps? Ryon Knight, if we're being generous here?

Are we even acknowledging that project Ares exists these days? And...geeze, Sentinel Defense Program?

>> No.47601805

>>47601442
These protocols are new, post twenty three seconds initiatives, so they are only in place on servers where there has been significant time and money investment in upgrading security.

That is also why its a 40 card deck. This is a vision for the future, they don't have time for piddling side projects. Or for making friends with the other corps.

>> No.47604275

>>47592947
Jesus Christ that's amazing! just plop down two ice walls and SFK and you got HQ and R&D protected.

>> No.47604761

>>47595249
The guy on the right is Mark Yale isn't it? Who's the one on the left?

>> No.47604824

>>47593867
Now I can't decide between this and Global Food Initiative for less agenda points. 2 meat damage per encounter is way too good, though given how hard 5/3s can be to score, it might not be worth it.

>> No.47604844

>>47604275

I wouldn't go as far as "protected", but yeah, cool early game deterrent.

Talking of deterrent, I just realized the potential of Satellite Grid to arm off any ICE... which leads to Komainu + Satellite Grid as a *mean* early game trick.

>> No.47605063

>>47601584
>Sentinel Defense Program

One of my Cybernetics Division build ran it. Along with Self-destruct Chips and Defective Brainchip it made for really cool games.

Janky as all hell, but so worth it.

Probably would be ill received, but I wouldn't mind something to make Hellion and Sherlock a lot more aggressive.

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>>47604844
Satellite is great for that, and now that I think about it, BoN slaps Faust nicely (except when IHW is hit)

>>47604761
I don't think so, looking at the photo on the left hand side of the pic, but before I spotted that I thought the suited guy could be from the bank or something (he still could be, it's just a bit unlikely)

>> No.47605767

>>47605140
Hmm, the face shape and hair looks pretty different, so yeah it probably isn't him. Would've made for pretty interesting flavor if it had been true.

>> No.47606248

>>47605767
Could he be the guy from Project Beale?

>> No.47606363

Possible Idea for more aggressive NBN ID: At beginning of your turn if Runner is tagged give Runner one tag.

>> No.47606571

>>47606363
Better yet. If the runner is tagged at the beginning of any turn, give him another tag.

>> No.47606613

>>47606571
A bit too strong, I feel.

>> No.47606627

>>47606613
"As an additional cost to remove a tag, the runner must trash 1 resource"

Make it 40/7

>> No.47606636

>>47606627
Holy shit that's overpowered.

>> No.47607170

Fair Warning
Upgrade Rez cost 2 Trash Cost 2

The runner cannot steal agendas from the hosting server until Fair Warning has been trashed.

If fair Warning is trashed, the runner suffer two additional meat damage every time he suffers meat damage until the beginning of his or her next turn.

>>47606627
>"Whenever the runner uses an action to remove a tag, the runner must trash 1 resource, if able"

>> No.47607752

>>47607170
Whenever the Runner removes a tag. Do 2 meat damage.

>> No.47607880

Are we posting custom cards now? Whatever, I'm posting my custom card right now.

GTFO
NBN 3 Influence
Barrier - Tracer
Rez 6 - Strength 4
When the runner encounters GTFO, trace 5. If successful, the runner cannot make another run this turn.
Subroutine: End the run.
"And stay out."

>> No.47609029

Regional round 2 incoming, first round we saw Andy Rebirth vs Palana and Leela vs HB EtF
https://www.twitch tv/dodgepong

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best sunday ever

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>>47612578
Man, that is a really shitty card

>> No.47612650

>>47612630
Why?

>> No.47612683

>>47612578
>quote by The Professor
>he's the only one where the card isn't just bad it's damn useless

Also, if I'm trashing a card I already have 2 of installed, do I draw 1 or 2?

>> No.47612727

>>47612683
Each trashed card, so 1.

>> No.47612820

>>>47606627
The real problem with capstone is that it's a click ability. If you could at the start of your turn for one card, it may be playable. But instead you only gain if you have a hand full of worthless crap.

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>>47612820
Which reminds me. Using replicator to get all that worthless crap might be good.
The problem I see with this idea is that there isn't many hardware you only want 1 installed. Besides consoles and replicators.
For resources maybe? There are bunchs. ProCons, Kati, Aesop. Although it would be wise to hold on those katis and aesops in case they are trashed.
Just like Piper.

>> No.47613754

>>47612894
>Which reminds me. Using replicator to get all that worthless crap might be good.
Really, it works with both - you have stuff that you want to get out quickly (like stealth tools) and stuff that you only want one of, like consoles, or e3.

>> No.47615142

>>47607880

I don't know about the numbers, especially when Uroboros happens to be a thing, but I do love the fluff.

>"Of course there might be another options..."

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