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>Question of the day:
Whats Princess Space Kitten gonna do?

>What is Android: Netrunner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAslVfZ9p-Y [Embed] [Embed]

>Android Netrunner Official FFG News & Spoilers:

>Floor rules

>Official FAQ (post-MWL), Compendium on rulings, and common mistakes

>Netrunner Card List and Data Pack Details:
https://github.com/shyndman/ono-sendai (You’ll need to build it yourself)

>Deckbuilding Resources:
http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-deck-builder (not recommended)

>Articles and Blogs:


>> No.47195215

Thanks for the responses. So it's basically:
Game plan -> cards that support game plan -> economy -> add-ons
I guess that means splashing out of faction cards first if they contribute the most then?

>> No.47195306

Going to be playing in my first tournament next week (only a game night kit). Have only played kitchen table matches with a couple of mates previously. Any general tips for playing competitions? Have a good sense of the card pool, so that'll be fine. Meta will be unknown which is also fine. Don't want to commit any faux pas while I'm there.

A bit more on topic: really excited to try out bazaar in my spy camera geist deck once it drops at my lgs (aussie bro so shipping is slow)

>> No.47195458

Don't play to win, just play to have fun.

That isn't to say play to lose but just make sure you're having fun rather than stressing over every move or you'll overthink it

>> No.47196374

That's the plan! I'm not expecting to set the world on fire. It's a small tournament, so I'm just hoping to get a promo of some kind. I'll report back on my results in the general next week.

>> No.47196429

Good luck! What decks are you thinking of bringing if you don't mind sharing

>> No.47197106

Thanks. Don't have the exact lists on mobile. On the runner side I'm going with a logos, archive interface, leela build. On the corp side it's a fast advance titan build with some janky dedication ceremony and grndl refinery+reversed accounts shenanigans.

I can post full lists tomorrow (it's Wednesday evening my time).

>> No.47197532

Based on two cards we have with her quotes on them my bet would that she'd trash viruses for effects.
The real question at the moment is what card with her art "Rumor Mill" current will do?

>> No.47197586

Mark my words, she's gonna draw a card every time the Corp purges virus.

>> No.47197629

>Whats Princess Space Kitten gonna do?

Whatever the hell she damn wants.

Also, I can feel the jank overtaking me; as much as I'm not liking Null, all I can think about is playing him with Darwin.

>> No.47197667

>A bit more on topic: really excited to try out bazaar in my spy camera geist deck once it drops at my lgs (aussie bro so shipping is slow)

Now, *that* looks lovely...

>> No.47197682

I'm guessing it's the Bazaar-Replicator combo to install all spy cameras. Just Bazaar is fine but not quite.

>> No.47197735
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said art

>> No.47197750


Think so from past thread, yeah.


Install a cat.

Each time player pets the cat, he or she must skip his next turn.

>> No.47197854
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Is this card going to be the next shaper autoinclude? It's just good all-around.

>> No.47197871

>cat decks
Oh god yes please.

>> No.47198150


It's fairly good, isn't it? If it's not firing, you're in a good place, if it is, well things are getting balanced back up in your favor.

I'm much more wondering about the questions from last thread about corp low-econ play and runner high econ hurt...

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Yeah, really does look good.

Though with the corps scared and using more hostile measures than normal I'd guess that connection trashing (and just trashing in general) may be on the rise

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For those reading and not gettign what the card does.

>> No.47198354


Invasion of Personal Space

Operation Condition

Install a cat on one of the runner's card and treat that cat as a hosted condition counter with the text "the runner cannot use the hosting card until the cat is removed".

>> No.47198388

>>47198354 Meant to answer >>47197871

Damn it.

>> No.47198832

I wonder what Observe and Destroy does... Did FFG and NBN finally go too far and give NBN meat damage? Or perhaps it's for resource trashing?

>> No.47198869

Anyone have ideas about what they'll do when Ankusa comes out?

Do you think Fisk will try to make room for it?

>> No.47198901

I think jank decks are going to play it. And nobody else.
It would be fun to see it with Fisk. Although I prefer some False Echo shenanigans.

>> No.47198919

Before anyone tries to theorycraft with it, note that all subroutines have to be broken by Ankusa alone in order to bounce the ice to HQ. So Quetzal, Grappling Hook, e3, none of them can discount its two-credits-per-sub

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Yeah, that's the real struggle, 8 credits to return a Spiderweb back to HQ is a bit pricy. It adds to the tax of having to rez it again, but I wonder if it's really worth it, since crescentus does almost the same (not counting install costs).

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I think that's something I would want on a dino or with a personal touch - it's very good, but you pay a lot for the power

Also it could replace morningstar here, which would look cool

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Bazaar Netchip. How many would you include? 2? 3? Honestly even 4 seems excesive. Although it means I can install MO, Paintbrush, Keyhole and Sneakdoor Beta.
Best memory solution for the professor?

>> No.47199876

consumer grade cards were awful bulk status cards that took up 6 slots in data packs
extremely disappointed.

>> No.47199986

I disagree. Both Ramujan and spy camera are great in big numbers, plus they have a trashable effect to encourage including all of them. Netchip on the other hand tops its benefit at 4 with Endless Hunger, followed by Hyperdriver with 3 MU. Most often it's needed for only 2 MU. So you sleeve in maybe 2-3 NetChips so you can host whatever in it by the second one.

>> No.47201395
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Best card in the cycle.

>> No.47201448

Wait a minute. Princess Space Kitten's on a card called "Rumor Mill." I'm betting that they're not releasing an ID or connection just to mess with us.
FFG, judging from before, I know you're clever enough to do this on purpose. You magnificent bastards.

>> No.47201526

Best corp card

>> No.47201542

It's like a party in your Rig and everyone's invited!

>> No.47202881

It might be usable if combined with a deck that wants to spam Clots?

>> No.47204538


That card is one of my big disappointment so far in that I haven't see *anyone* even try to play it yet. So much jank potential.

>> No.47205992

No need for Clot if you can just lock R&D with Medium or whatever.

>> No.47206704
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MFW I realize we won't see 23 Seconds till Worlds.

>> No.47206709

tinkering it then bounce all dem glacier ice ?

>> No.47206833


The thing I think given how expensive it is, is being able to abuse windows, like compare paying through Eli 4 times with Corroder (4*4=16) or paying once to throw it back (10) and then running the server three more times for free - say Keyhole x 4...

Now add Diwan on top of that to tax install and reinstall, and it could have some potential.

Very narrow though... Probably something you'd play in a Professor tool kit as a one off and just SMC if the math happens to be on your side.

I do like the idea of forcing servers naked.

>> No.47206859


I'm more worried that we know the Anarch ID for the Flashpoint cycle already, yet are still waiting on the Mumbad one.

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Still good? Overcosted?

>> No.47208303

David has turned this into shit. Spooned + 1 Token to trash 8 cost ice.

>> No.47209705


Wouldn't go as far as shit. More risky, certainly. Which is probably a good thing when you're down to it.

>> No.47211250

Given the theme of the Flashpoint Cycle, I wonder if this will be the cycle where they will start replacing the stronger First and Second cycle cards.

>> No.47213749

They already started

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>> No.47215834

My Crisium servers.

>> No.47216034


That trace though...

>> No.47216820

Honestly, any bigger it would be sketchy.

>> No.47218671


Yeah, that's fair, was just teasing...

Was thinking, would Political Dealings be worth it in Biotech? Can use it to close he game, to bait runs by threatening a Niseai Mk2 score...

>> No.47218923

Political Dealings is probably always worth it, if you can protect it. Specially if you can find an extra advancement for the card: Biotech, SanSan, Biotic Labor, Trick of Lights. My favourite would be Tennin, but I need Agroplex for that.

>> No.47220100

Theory: It's APEX.

>> No.47220607


Complement-Theory: the 23 seconds was Apex's doing. The mother of all Account Siphon. At the other side of Apex's black hole is a white fountain counter AI phenomenon resulting from the very process of Apex's existence.

Let's call it Nadir - to fit with the netrunner tradition of cards with similar sounding names that breed confusion.

Apex is centrifugal to Nadir's centripetal.

Information comes from Nadir while nothing comes in. Units come to make sense by analogical process of forcing elements onto one another until they coalesce and endure.

The culture of non-sense, of disconnect between message content and tone brought by the information age makes for a perfect breeding ground for such units.

Princess Space Kitten is the name of a Nadir outward port mistakenly taken to be human.

(And now you know why I don't DM sci-fi games)

>> No.47220803

>(And now you know why I don't DM sci-fi games)
Then start, this is a great idea for a pulpy Star Trek kind of campaign.

>> No.47222367

Just passing through to thank you all for introducing me to this game. While for a while I can only play on-line, it has proven that card games can be fun again.

>> No.47222685


Glad you're enjoying it. Have a great time.


Thanks. I guess I just don't have the right crowd.


Political Dealings does have the markings of a good card. I was more thinking the other way around:what to use with Bioethics. Card that prove good use whatever variation you chose at the start of the game.

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Street date for liberated mind is 25th, so we should start seeing those last 8 cards soon enough

Reckon we'll get 3 IDs?

>> No.47223357

That's what they said at the start of the cycle. Maybe they take it back because having 3 IDs in the same cycle is not only weird, but puts a lot of pressure on those identities and support cards, giving in to another Caissa/B&E situation.

In this case we are supposed to get Weyland, HB, and anarch identities, and for some reason I get the feeling that these are, once again, going to break the meta just like MCH and alliance did out of IG.

We can try and guess some:
Starting with anarchs, we have 3 distinct themes portrayed in anarch cards:
a) Political discontent with cards like Run Amok, Political Graffiti, EMP Device, Fear the Masses, and Bhagat.
b) Philosophical venues with Empty Mind and Diwan.
c) General poverty with Ramujan, Street Magic, and Salsette Slums, that can tie up with a)
I'm not sure where to put Making an Appearance, it can be played as either of those.
Now, given the card is coming in the Liberated Mind pack, I'm guessing the character is going to be, at least in part, motivated by that philosophy, and using it to support his career at ruining the Corp's parade.
What does it mean? It means the card can potentially do anything.

Next is HB, looking through the cards I see 2 particular themes that catches my attention: Hoppers and Clone support, and I doubt HB will fund an entire division to support clones so I'm going with Hoppers this cycle the same way they did Cybernetics the last cycle.
So yeah, I think this means we are getting a Lakshmi Division that probably gets a benefit from the Runner runs. Maybe a credit or a card the first time each turn the Runner runs. Just like Advanced Concept Hopper.

Last we have Weyland, dominating the scene from the background they get the chance to expand their power. I think it's clear we are getting a Construction division of some kind. It would be great if we could add an advacement token on a face up card the first time we create a new server each turn.

What do you think?

>> No.47223780


Really hopeful about the IDs myself. A good ID brings about new ways to play. Make come into being lots of disparate cards and tactical options into full fledge-on strategies.

Three IDs in one pack is certainly going to be a mouthful tough, yeah.

Given the cards selection, I wonder if anarch aren't going to get some taxing ID again.
Weyland we have two angles, the political, and the construction. I wonder if and how they'll marry the two. Would an ID that somehow get a bonus of sort with public agendas be too narrow?

Given the agenda selection, the HB ID does seem about impacting the runner, yeah. I wonder if an ID doubling down on that would be too much?

>> No.47224273

>add an advacement token on a face up card the first time we create a new server each turn.
not really a fan - it's too NEH, and BWBI hasn't been retired yet, so I don't think that'd be good

HB, yeah they're doing two things in Mumbad, trying to screw over Jinteki and making stuff. I agree with you that the ID could affect the runner, as that's what all their agendas are doing, but as >>47223780 says, doubling down might be too much.

With Weyland I think they'll tap into the political side, and I wouldn't be surprised if the ID and their alliance Operation are closely linked, but what they'll do is a mystery. Weyland have done tutoring (and money ofc) so far, but that's all kind of enabling stuff to be done, rather than doing. Other than MCC, which is pretty rad

As for anarch, yeah, not sure what they'll go with, but I'm excited

>> No.47225648

I like how Weyland's cards are all incredibly subtle - construction work, dedication ceremonies, behind the scenes politics - then suddenly there's Subcontract and someone's dead. Has anybody used New Construction though? It kinda looks like it's trying to get Weyland into shell games, which isn't really it's forte.

Also, the punk character in Making an Appearance, Emptied Mind etc. isn't MaxX is it? She looks a little different, though it probably is her.

Maybe the Weyland ID would let you install agendas face up and gain a bonus? That'd be interesting.

>> No.47226231


"Whenever you install an agenda, you may install it face up. If you do, you may place an advancement counter on it at the start of your next turn."

>> No.47226590

I think there's unlikely to be even 1 ID in the pack.
It seems that the notion that there would be an ID for every faction was misinterpretation of a sentence in the Mumbad announcement that actually intended to say that the would be IDs spread across all factions.

>> No.47226654


That would be disappointing.

Likely as it sounds.

>> No.47226783

>Throughout the cycle, you'll also find new contacts, new agendas, new region upgrades, and new identities for each of the game's seven factions.

Oh fuck, you might be right. Fire this shithead copy editor, Christ alive.

>> No.47228135

Can I trash the console Forger even if there is no tag to be avoided or removed?

>> No.47228157

Nope, its like how you cant scavenge a Lady if there are no valid scavenge targets in your heap

>> No.47229030

>Has anybody used New Construction
Yeah, it's my preferred Public in a wide Gagarin deck, turtlebacks can make it as good as Oaktown

Haven't used the overadvance yet though

>> No.47230623

Do you use cards to have a bigger HQ too? I get the feeling that I don't want to install/advance New Construction unless I already have plenty of cards in HQ to install.

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Oh damn, she has CV dazzle applied. That really cool.

New card-fu?

>> No.47230763

you mean this? >>47198268

>> No.47230826


Is it not the same thing? Did i not link to the card art?

>> No.47230852

I have no idea what you meant with the new card-fu then

>> No.47230886

Probably waifu + card

>> No.47231832

How about

"Whenever you install an agenda, you may install it face up.

If you have an agenda installed face up, at the start of your turn, you may advance a card."

instead of the usual 'place an advancement token'. Too strong?

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I rarely care that much about hand size when I'm not using scorch, but I do tend to have assets anyway - wide Gagarin asset spam may be a bit cheesy, but it works.

If I have a second new construction, Lakshmi and another asset (or an unrezed asset already out), unless they have film critic I can just score naked

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No, that's prefect. That advanceable ICE synergy.

>> No.47231922


That does sound potentially strong, but at first glance not broken.

With a IAA and now AAAA sequence of turns you can benefit twice from 4/2 public agendas over-advance effect.

With a hollywood on the table, you can score it in a normal window and put 7 advancement tokens out in the process.

Underway trashes 9 cards to the heap....

And then of course just advancing ICE.

>> No.47231937

Underway Renovation mill vs Faust. Would it work?

>> No.47231967

It should say "place an advancement counter on a card that can be advanced" or "advance without paying any costs".

>> No.47232009


I've had some fun with it in some Argus builds, especially coupling it with Casting Call. High variance, but getting two Déjà Vu and two Faust
off early game is really a nice feeling.

Add Khala Ghoda real TV, and maybe some Blacklist/Students loans along the NBN alliance cards and I think we may have something.

>> No.47232169

Blacklist would be the king, but defending it would be a job, even with Hive and things

>> No.47232205

The key thing is to let any "if this card is advanced" effects to fire as in >>47231922, since just placing tokens doesn't do that. No cost is probably a bit too much, though you do need to protect the agenda for atleast one turn I guess. I'm sad this card will never happen now.

Given the amount of recursion Runners tend to have, the tempo hit from advancing Underway is just too much to make it the main strategy, and the effects could end up negligible from a single Levy AR Lab Access. It's fine as an extra thing on top of the normal game plan though, and probably best against a Faust deck than any other. Never thought of using Blacklist either, which might be interesting. Maybe Salem's to knock out any recursion cards in hand?

>> No.47232240

>No cost is probably a bit too much
Without that text it sounds like you still have to spend the click.

>> No.47234218

Given that it fires during "at the start of your turn/when your turn begins" you wouldn't have any clicks to spend though. But I agree that it could use some clarity, maybe "you may spend 1 credit to advance a card at no cost"? Kind of like how Eater has "access 0 cards".

>> No.47234278

>Given that it fires during "at the start of your turn/when your turn begins" you wouldn't have any clicks to spend though.
You have clicks as soon as it's your turn, see Wyldside.

>> No.47234306

Ohh right, I was mistakenly thinking about the rez window before the start of the turn, my bad.

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So Sunny is getting some support in an upcoming datapack, what would you like to see for apex and adam?

>> No.47234740

>white woman
>hindu kids

>> No.47234768

>tfw we never get an criminal sunny after the corps don't pay out
>tfw we never get an anarch adam who wants to burn the corps to the ground for limiting his brain
>tfw we never get shaper apex who just wants to eat some code and make some code
why even live?

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Her partner is a woman, so of course they are not her biological kids.
More early pressure for Adam, maybe a run event.
Apex needs something to counter destroyers. Maybe something that allows you to trash another installed card instead of the card that was originally trashed (maybe not limited to programs).

>tfw we never get an criminal sunny after the corps don't pay out
Corps don't pay her, GlobalSec does. Corps pay the criminals, see Security testing.
She'd never go Criminal, she's got a family to care for. She might go Anarch to protect them from the corps or in vengeance if they did something to them.

>tfw we never get an anarch adam who wants to burn the corps to the ground for limiting his brain
That's just regular Adam.
>tfw we never get shaper apex who just wants to eat some code and make some code
pic related is my face when I'll never program beautiful AI children and teach them to be human

>> No.47234974

>Her partner is a woman, so of course they are not her biological kids.
Well actually, a woman can go and get inseminated in a clinic from a sperm donor to have her own biological kids. Although these kids might take after her partner and not her. Adoption is not necessarily the only choice, just another option.

>> No.47235012

True, maybe her partner did that.

>> No.47235812

Knowing those kids are Sunny's raises a lot of questions.
>Were they affected by Ramujan, since the implication is that the net/brain damage hits other people?
>If the kids were adopted, did she adopt them after the incident? If so, why was the Ramujan card released after Sunny?
>If they were not adopted, and Ramujan did happen during the elections, how did they get hit by those things in the first place?

Netrunner's flavour and lore is so nice.

On-topic, can't say anything about card effects since I haven't played either of them much, so hopefully some cards that subtly reveals more about Apex and Adam in the same vein as Sunny's pops up.

>> No.47235918

I think Ramujan does not simply redirect the damage, it spreads it out among all users, so the individual damage is negligible.

>> No.47237022


>Question of the day:
>Whats Princess Space Kitten gonna do?

Be a 40 card Anarch deck that doesn't run AI.

>> No.47237454


Underway alone, no (though I have very fond memories of that game where, having scored a Utopia Fragment first, I just kept advancing Underway out of stealing reach of the runner until I had done away with the whole stack. Immensely satisfying), but when you start adding other cards that follow the same overall strategy of card exhaustion and with a bit of econ warfare on the side, and we're going somewhere.

The biggest problem remains the proportion of advancement clicks you have to spend on cards for the effect.
Just going IA-AAA for underway allows you to deal with 7 cards of the runner, which is honorable, but then you spend 5 creds and clicks on 1 agenda point. So I think you do have to go high-value agenda apart from Underway.
Another ay to look at it is with Casting Call: I don't ever expect to score it, unless victory is at hand, the purpose it to make the runner pay way more than it's worth either way.

There's a deck here. I don't know about competitive, but certainly workable, and interesting.

>> No.47238035


That seems a bit too nice for anarchs to do though. I kinda figured them for the damn the consequences faction, with a few scrupulous, well as far as pro-human scruples goes, faction.

>> No.47239405

Does anyone have an "updated" profile of what can each faction do? Most I find is a couple of years old, and don't ring true given some of the builds I have seen so far.

I know the game is very flexible, but I have a bit of a hard time fully understanding where each faction strong points and weakpoints are, for the most part...

>> No.47239426

What is the more FUN anarch deck? Where does it put its focus? It's anarch really fun? Should anarch be fun?

>> No.47239572


Depends on you definition of fun.

I've been playing a silly MaxX Pancake Crusade Funding using loads of doubles or my Quetzal Eater/Origami/Duggar/Stim Dealer... and those were certainly not my best winning decks I had a lot of fun.

Or Reina dedicated Caîssa build with some lone core breaker support.

>> No.47240678

It is even a fairly good card.
Will be interesting to see what Apex and Adam get, I am kind of hoping a breaker for Adam and some kind of econ card for Apex.

>> No.47241577

well two women dont typically make a baby

>> No.47241705

Can we please not have this sexist bullshit in /ANRG/.

The Amazons of Lesbos produced off spring for hundreds of years before men tainted their shores. Never spread the likes of the white man, learn the try historical feminist science.

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Looks like they are testing player involvement again. Lets hope they don't fuck it up this time.

>> No.47242484

I hope the Maester one wins

>> No.47242498

Jeeves is now an identity

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Players picked the worse option both times they got to pick...

>> No.47243864


I want Apex to get a current that has "Once per turn, when you encounter a piece of Ice, you may have it get -2 strength and gain End the Run after all its other subroutines until the end of the run."

Powers up Prey AND enables Endless Hunger + E3!

>> No.47243905


Collective is way older than Jeeves. It lost to Laramy Fisk in the Plugged In Tour.

>> No.47244217

Wait so the collective will never be released?!

>> No.47244282


Yep. A lot of people at the time thought they'd be game-breakingly powerful, and voted for Fisk as a protest vote.

I voted for Fisk because we were promised support cards that wouldn't make him as shitty as he looked and I was curious. Clearly that panned out.

>> No.47244353


Wrong. HBCP was an awful idea and I'm glad the Euro community knew better.

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Fuck man
That looked like a cool Id

>> No.47244725

HBCP was amazing and I still use it on OCTGN to this day.

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DBZero has died from a beanbag to the chest during an anti-trump protest.
My he forever be in our minds as the person who bought Netrunner to the internet.

>> No.47245443


What if they were in fact clones after the originals(?) had their heads explode from Ramujan?

>> No.47245522

Fuck that's an awesome ID

>> No.47246027

Don't get our hopes up.

>> No.47246861

It doesn't matter what the Anarchs would do, the product is consumer grade, as in made by corps.

>> No.47247016

I think it was the right call on Fisk. Let's give the man time for good; he's at least interesting to play right now.

HB Chronos... I still love the idea of it being instrumental in forcing competitive runners into less efficient builds as protection from it.

We'll never know now.

Overall I'm glad FFG's not doing this anymore, since each time I was more thinking about how we were going to lose a cool ID for no good reason.

>> No.47247048


The street find its use. Companies created samplers as a way to get better quality chords for cheaper price in prod. That's not how people ended up using them.

So yeah, corps made consumer grade stuff. Doesn't mean they thought other would use them the way they ended up being used. Nor that they even envisioned it.

>> No.47247078
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I don't think they would make Anarchs THAT evil. They are clone sacrificing and rioting evil, not giving little kids brain damage evil.

>> No.47247528


>some men just want to watch the world burn.

>> No.47248607

With whom do you play anr guys? How big is your meta?

>> No.47249580


I don't know about evil. Spread the one million dollar debt that's the death of one between a billion people, and suddenly it isn't even a mosquito bite to anyone involved.

We can imagine the same for damage. The output once redistributed might even exist on a measurable scale.

>> No.47249598

>Watch this. It'll be funny.

>> No.47249670 [SPOILER] 
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TFW people forget about some of the best cards print...

>> No.47249677


Local gaming club and friends. Makes for me a meta of around 30 something people.

With the weird caveat that we're not what I'd call a local meta anymore.

This is weird, and probably the first time I witness that for a game. As I discussed in previous threads, we've had a balkanization of the community, yet so far it endures.

We talk about other people's games over playing something else, but at the club itself we maybe only around 10 to 15 depending on nights still playing. Others play but at home, between friends and/or family.

>> No.47249763


Hey, I played that!

What can I say, we always loved our link here.

>> No.47249821

What I fail to Understand is why that terrible trash cost. Give it a 4 and it might see some play. I'm happy we got a replacement in Upstalk though. Free credits for traces is niche but a must.

>> No.47249887


I think the idea - the way I played it if anything - was to use it as some form of Operation: install in a remote, and force the link dependent runner to run there.

There's that thing that keeps amazing me about how beta-testers seem to think we can make those humongous taxing servers that rarely seem to happen to the level of efficiency several cards seem to imply.

>> No.47249892
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Hidden gems thread?

>> No.47249922

My point exactly. There's no way the devs would make Anarchs evil enough to redirect to just one person instead of redistributing.

>> No.47249979


You know what? Been too long, into my next deck the hounds go.


My bad, thought you were saying even that was too evil for some reason.

>> No.47250005

Maybe the meta is ready for a Data Hound, Snoop, Salem's Hospitality deck to take over.

>> No.47250520

Totally should have been the art for Snoop.
Also would make Emergency Shutdown's art more relevant, at 6 it's actually worth shutting down

>> No.47252577


>> No.47252872

I think it's more that the card is pretty hard to justify out of faction, unless the local meta is link heavy. Meanwhile there are probably more stable cards to use for winning traces in faction.

>> No.47253714

I like data hound, I'd like it more if killers weren't the first icebreaker every runner installs.
I think the card should have been a code gate, like Archangel. A tiny Archangel in dog form.

>> No.47256067

I was thinking back on the idea that we might not see those three IDs next datapack, and now I'm mad for all evening.

>> No.47256090
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Are these out yet?

I know, it's such a let down.

>> No.47256187


Not that I know and certainly not around here...

I have a feeling this is going to take the release spot of where the next Deluxe should have been.

>> No.47257938

I've been trying to play with IT Department for a while now. I can't seem to get it up and running. Either the runners go in too early and trashes it, or I'm too busy with stuff to be spending clicks on it.

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>> No.47264402

Why do I keep thinking this card is "x is the number of tags the Runner has"?

>> No.47264616
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It's just what you expect from NBN

Has anyone started slotting slums yet?
If so, are they worth it?

>> No.47264640

Slums are pretty nice for removing snares and shit, so worth a slot in run at least once a turn decks

>> No.47265874


I'm really thinking this should have been "when you pat the trash cost of an accessed installed card". To balance hings a bit.

Being able to remove from the game from R&D lock kind leave a bad aftertaste.

>> No.47265896

I think that's mainly for R&D traps, but yeah, that is a bit strong.

Gotta be able to defend R&D, I guess they're saying

>> No.47266514

I think it's fine, the card is already niche enough.

>> No.47266713

somewhat off topic, but what is OP pic even from? It seems to be one of those so awful it's funny sort of things.

But on topic, If I wanted to get into Netrunner, besides the original box, what's a good set to start so I can get a feel for the game and have fun with my group?

>> No.47266779

Galo Sengen

>> No.47266975 [SPOILER] 
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More like Galo SNAREGEN.

>> No.47266985

All the big boxes are good, and they will never rotate out.

>> No.47267719

>besides the original box
You absolutely need that first, but after that I'd say the big boxes - lots of good cards, they'll never rotate, and they really help showcase some core strategies

>> No.47267742


I'm conflicted. Yes, it's niche, but then compare with Archives Interface...


Not even R&D traps. Every Asset or Upgrade. Case in point, to take an extreme case, Off the Grid. Hard enough to play, but then add Political Operative, and now the slums which mean a random R&D access means no recursion - which you had in store, because, well Off the Grid - and things go from bad to worse.

>> No.47267775

A second main box, just so you have enough cards to keep two good decks together on each side.

>> No.47267981
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Yeah, they really dropped the ball with OTG.

Which is a shame, because in theory it should work, and thematically it's quite nice - it's only as expensive as San San, and it's in Weyland where that matters less, it just straight-up denies access compared to Ash/Caprice's "maybe" (though the tax cost of runs that don't access and Central applicability were woefully underrated), which is very straightforward and very Weyland, but it's just too easy to trash to be of much use - even a "if the runner accesses HQ they may pay 2/3 to trash" would have been better, but it's also really vulnerable until it's placed.

It's an okay idea, but terrible execution

>> No.47268099

>it's only as expensive as San San
Isn't 6 credits to rez pretty expensive though? Or have I been managing my econ in Weyland wrong?

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Sure, 6 is a lot, but a Weyland deck that's not doing badly shouldn't care too much, as long as you're out of the early game - if you're pushing for a score, or being siphoned to hell and back this doesn't apply, but if the latter was the case you REALLY don't want to use OTG.

>> No.47268987


Even then, as I was saying OTG was just one extreme example, but now any deck that has pivotal, strategy-central assets or upgrades has to live with the risk of them being removed from the game on R&D access, or trashed without access if HQ has been compromised once.

That's a lot of pressure added from the very start of the game.


I've never played in HB itself, and my attempts with it in Weyland were mostly jank fun builds (H3 deposit, early Gagarin tax etc...), so I don't know that I have anything of worth to say. Mainly I would just leave it in a remote or one-ICE-deep server; rez it on start of next turn and then advance.

The D4V1D/Faust combo has had a very negative effect on the value of the card though. Still, people tend to forget that you can use it to force the runner to empty a D4V1D a lot faster.

Playing this afternoon made me realize in retrospect there's one card I tried with World Plaza I may not have given enough credit, and might be worth a second attempt: Levy University. Would be worth dusting off the Grail suite.

>> No.47269117


The expense by itself is not the issue. To quote myself from a previous thread:

>a good third of Weyland's base strategy is being able to threaten a kill. Which means that, certainly they can have very good econ, but their base threat threshold is higher than other corps. You have more money, but you also need to sit on more money to be as threatening as you need. Something that Traffic Accident didn't really solve.

You can afford to pay six better than any other corp, save maybe HB. But then if you need to stay credible with your threat kill your margins for maneuver are actually very tight.

>> No.47269176
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Netrunner tickets are not selling at Gencon at all.
Out of 300 slots over half are still unsold 3~ hours.

This meta is so bad even gencon events are not selling out.

>> No.47269209

Yep Game of Throne's 220 seats sold out almost instantly.

>> No.47269308


Isn't GoT right in the middle of its relaunch?

By itself, wouldn't take that piece of news as alarming. But then I don't really follow that trail.

>> No.47269362

Game of Thrones is at the end if it's first cycle and in a great meta.
Also games hardly last past turn 5 most the time so their tournaments go fast.

Netrunner is the most draining thing you can play in tournaments IMO, the pre-cut rounds are set to be 10 hours at least. The cut is next day and set to be at least 6.
If you go to Gencon for Netrunner that is ALL you are doing.

>> No.47269440


What I would call middle of the re-launch then, yeah.

>Netrunner is the most draining thing you can play in tournaments IMO

Agreed, and not just for length. Can be pretty taxing. Another reason why I prefer casual play. You can extend the attention. Afford cool builds you wouldn't bring to a tournament.

>> No.47269626

I agree. The game is great in a casual setting but just not worth it for a tournament game anymore. I constantly placed top 5 at regionals and top 10 at both worlds I went to but it is just not fun anymore.

Having to deal with the slog that is IG ruins the round, having to deal with it round after round as net deckers just cloning Dan makes it not even worth showing up.
Even if most of them don't make the cut I don't want to face IG for 3 of my 6-7 rounds.

I'd rather fuck around and play fun decks and ignore the awful tier 1 meta while I wait for L5R.

>> No.47270019

I feel like this was our last real chance at getting a damaged-focused HB identity. A shame it didn't win.

>> No.47270248


I gather you didn't like Cybernetics Division?

>> No.47270564

How did Psychographics worked before NBN could crush Runner's dreams of recowering from tags with Midseason?

>> No.47270580

It hurts you more then it helps.

>> No.47270586

Hey how flavorful (and evil) would be this play:
After Runner made a single succesful run.
24/7 News Cycle Breaking News
Closed Accounts
Hard-Hitting News

>> No.47270596

It was useful for never advance shell game. If they float too many tags, you can fast advance your astros or even get a psf out. Not great, but it had some play way back in the day.

>> No.47270881
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Pretty thematic - use the run as an excuse to break a news story about a series of credit attacks, which you in turn use as cover to assault the runner's finances

You smile at the thought of a job well done, look out the window of your Broadcast Square office... only to see the runner's "face" with this expression - their investment in twice-daily casts has allowed them the financial freedom to avoid your clutches through Paper Tripping, or possibly calling up their lawyers.

Admittedly that's not very likely at the moment (as you'd probably want to hit the Casts), but still.
And I could see both Lawyer Up and Paper Tripping becoming more popular with Hard Hitting out

>> No.47270965


Less evil than what real world "journalism" has been doing overall.

But still pretty kick ass.


Well, I had a lot of fun with it myself. Granted, going Self Destruct Chips and either 5/3 is risky. Forcing the runner to go aggressively against whatever you IA(A) or get into Punitive range is very satisfying to play. Especially given how little people play damage protection or expose. Here at least

It makes for tense games on both sides, which I really dig. One version I ran even has Sentinel Defense Program and Defective Brainchip. Was very fun to up the ante on one single brain damage. Risk-adverse player can get paralyzed.


Forcing the runner to go tag-me by running down his econ. I remember someone playing a cute NBN Restructured Datapool deck in the first year...

>> No.47270987

I'm not a fan, but that's also a different direction from what I was thinking. Correction: I feel like this was our best chance at a brain damage focused identity. I'd like to see brain damage have a place where it's more than a method of making meat/net flatlines easier.

>> No.47271003

Any anti-tag tech will suffer as long as HB is a major meta presence, since they have 2 ways of giving tags, avoidable with icebreakers, and little incentive to pay influence for them. Even Jinteki has snare and cerebral casts, HB only wants tags to cut off resources, which they can spend their influence on direct methods.

>> No.47271107

That's tricky to do. You could tie it to fast advance, but that's probably not what you want. How about this for ID text

HB Cybernetics Division*

Whenever a brain damage is dealt, place 1 power counter on Cybernetics Division.
1 Power Counter: The runner loses click.

Sets up a kill or glacier, but all of its dependent on landing brain damage. Still good, gives you a mini False Lead with no forfeit.

>> No.47271139

>I'd like to see brain damage have a place where it's more than a method of making meat/net flatlines easier.

Fair enough. But then a place where brain damage are plentiful and reliable enough to be your only killing tool is kinda somewhere I'm not sure I want to go.

>> No.47271197

Oh, and kill or not, I do so love playing CD against all those Faust decks.

>> No.47271236
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Threadly reminder that Snares win games.

>> No.47271283
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Speaking of, I'm finding Jesminder can be pretty tough to kill - no snare tag and click 3 siphons (that give 2 extra credits) sucks ass

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That it does.

I so love those Snare FFG sleeves...

>> No.47271361

Unlike her sister...

>> No.47271442


Well played.

>> No.47271502

RIP future fem!Ghandi ;(

>> No.47271650

I played CD as soon as it landed. It did amazing for a while, but people started playing grip enhancers like Public Sympathy, Box-E, and stuff like that because Faust was getting more attention. Hell, this one runner I had with -8 handsize between brain damage and Self-Destruct Chips. But he was kept afloat thanks to Public Sympathies he kept installing. And of course the thought of packing some tags to trash those never crossed my mind.

>> No.47271671
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Not that the corps would want to kill her...

>> No.47271775

Why not? I can see Jinteki wanting to be rid of her if she advocates for clone rights.

>> No.47271996

The corps not wanting to kill her part has nothing to do with flavor. Her card gives each side extra click, something Corps can utilize better by fast advancing 3/2 agendas.

>> No.47272037
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She's one of the best corp cards in the game for one, and the card depicting her death is shaper...

You have a point with Jinteki, but they're also the first ones anyone would point a finger at.

>> No.47272233

>You could tie it to fast advance, but that's probably not what you want.
I wouldn't be against it. Could even fit in thematically as utilizing a runner's brain for processing power.

>Whenever a brain damage is dealt, place 1 power counter on Cybernetics Division.
>1 Power Counter: The runner loses click.
Considering how little brain damage is dealt in a game, that's maybe 2 clicks lost for the runner total. It doesn't feel like quite enough. An important part of the Chronos Protocol ID is deterrence. The ability itself doesn't fire much, but the potential consequences of it happening at all afford you extra time and breathing room if you can present a plausible threat.

>plentiful and reliable enough to be your only killing tool
I'm not talking about getting kills with it at all. I'd like an identity that utilizes it for tempo a step beyond just the hand size reduction.

>> No.47272401

The hand size reduction is already a tempo loss, since the Runner is able to hold to less cards every time.
It being impactful is up to question though, since it's hard to notice just like Fisk flood is hard to appreciate.

>> No.47272503

Losing your own hand size is what kills it for me. It makes flooding even worse since you can't hide Agendas in HQ much.

It is just a bad ID really.

>> No.47272529

>The hand size reduction is already a tempo loss, since the Runner is able to hold to less cards every time.
I agree, which is why a said a step *beyond*. In the game more generally, brain damage is fine as it is. Trash a card, permanent hand size reduction, good deal. I'd still like to see an identity that takes it just a bit further.

>> No.47273915


Flooding is the ban of tournaments, and the non-issue of people that just play the game. At worse it means the game is over fast and we can have another.

I think it's a great ID. It makes for great games.

I've played it against a Valencia Itinerant Protestor deck, and frankly that's some of the most awesome games I had in a while.

>> No.47274041

'Cause that's going to be better?

I would be all for L5R based on gameplay, but the generic asian theme just kills it for me. At least Netrunner I can show to my friends.

>> No.47274133
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Without Lukas Litzsinger's silver bullets it will be amazingly better then Netrunner. All the issues with Netrunner right now center around Lukas' design style.

L5R Art/Theme is really that bad unless you one of those "scared of what people might think of me" people.

>> No.47275172

Nah, it just doesn't fascinate me at all. It's a theme that would have been cool in the 80s or something. A very old, boring and tired concept that doesn't really leave room for much creativity. - to me-

Don't assume things, like it will be better, if you assume you might just make an ass out of yourself in the end.

You probably meant "is not" there, freudian slip?

>> No.47275465

I'm back with the lists.

Corp is:

Titan Transnational: Investing In Your Future

Agenda (10)
2x Global Food Initiative ••
1x High-Risk Investment
2x Hostile Takeover
2x Oaktown Renovation
3x Project Atlas

Asset (13)
2x Elizabeth Mills
2x GRNDL Refinery
3x Jackson Howard •••
1x Mark Yale
1x News Team ••
1x PAD Campaign
2x Project Junebug ••
1x Snare! ••

Upgrade (4)
2x Crisium Grid
2x Cyberdex Virus Suite

Operation (7)
2x Dedication Ceremony
2x Fast Track
3x Hedge Fund

Barrier (4)
1x Fire Wall
1x Hive
2x Spiderweb

Code Gate (4)
1x Crick •••
3x Enigma

Sentry (6)
2x Archer
2x Caduceus
2x Swordsman ••

Other (1)
1x Excalibur

16 influence spent (max 17)
21 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Kala Ghoda

>> No.47275524


Runner is:
Leela Patel: Trained Pragmatist

Event (19)
2x Account Siphon
3x Career Fair
2x Dirty Laundry
2x Employee Strike ••
2x Inside Job
2x Legwork
2x Special Order
3x Sure Gamble
1x The Maker's Eye ••

Hardware (7)
3x Logos
1x Plascrete Carapace
3x R&D Interface ••••• •

Resource (15)
2x Bank Job
3x Daily Casts
2x Earthrise Hotel
1x Hunting Grounds •
2x Kati Jones
2x Political Operative
1x Same Old Thing
2x Symmetrical Visage

Icebreaker (6)
1x Corroder ••
2x Faerie
2x Mongoose
1x ZU.13 Key Master ••

Program (1)
1x Sneakdoor Beta

15 influence spent (max 15)
48 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Democracy and Dogma

Ended up cutting the reversed accounts jank. I'm not sure whether to drop the news team for a second snare. Little concerned about my econ, so open for any suggestions there.

>> No.47275532

The best part of IG is no one is running anti Meat Damage cards. time for Blue Sun to rise again.

>> No.47278856


>> No.47278957


>> No.47279572

Won't plan on making this happen everyday, but Scoring Government Takeover by way of Hollywood Renovation?

Great feeling.

Helps a lot the runner had discarded the GT as a failed Ambush attempt.

>> No.47280461
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Mostly naked remotes there?

Might be worth including something for recursion, in case of rogue program trashes - I know that's caught me out occasionally, when playing criminal.
R&D Interface and Deja Vu are the same influence, for example, and it's able to be Same Old Thing'd

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With Back Channels is certainly a possiblity to consider. I have 6 advanceable assets in my deck, 3 refineries, 3 ambushes. But never thought of including GT. I'd be too scared if the runner picks it up from an R&D poke.

>> No.47281693

>that ID
what does this post even mean?

>> No.47282026

Rez cost 2 Str 3 Weyland

Ruthless Lighthouse

When Ruthless Lighthouse is rezzed you may move up any number of advancement tokens from ICE installed directly before or after it.

-> Give the runner one tag for each advancement counters on Ruthless Lighthouse. Trash Ruthless Lighthouse.

>> No.47282073

How often does Government Takeover win games anyway? It looks like such a risky card to include at 6 points that the only play I can think of is Fast Tracking it into your hand, then install ambushes right after it to see if the runner bites.

>> No.47282091


Low density. Punitive Counterstrike.

High Risk/high reward.

I've scored that thing naked. The runner knew he wouldn't survive the steal.

>> No.47283266

Just played against a deck using cards coming out in the next two data packs

>Wheel of Touring
>Rebirth (Andromeda -> leela)
>The Black File
>The Price of Freedom
>Au Revoir
Apparently there effectively is no window to rez ice so they sit back, jacks out of every run to get wheel counters and Au Revoir wait for the corp to to score out, drop the black list, buy themselves an extra 3 turns to get through and turning wheel the corp's entire deck. Is this a new runner deck or has it been around for a while?
I would be very sad if Netrunner became decks like this VS Museum horizontal decks.

>> No.47283327

You see something like it in Incubator Virus decks (power turn to get Hivemind up high, a few mediums and Darwin to access all of R&D), but things like EBC, Surat, kill and FA tricks mean that just sitting back won't always work

>> No.47283377
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oh ok
i still think the black file is straight up retarded.

>> No.47283520
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All you need is a tag, it's a resource

And while it's not immediately relevant, next cycle is meant to have the corps being more violent, so flatline may become more available (though it's still a big part of the meta anyway)

>> No.47283574

Oh thats a good card
unfortunately its not going to do anything against a deck that doesn't steal agendas till the turn it wins.

>> No.47283895
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Fan sites count too btw.

But yeah, if that's ALL they do then you'll need to bring pre-rezzing and/or kill - unless they're Nero they can't just bounce off rezzed ice.
Port Anson Grid might also help, and there's always Power Shutdown, Ronin, N-EMP and Contract Killer

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>> No.47286018

>buy this car to drive to work
>drive to work to pay for this car

>> No.47287576


So does Shi.Kyu, which makes me grin.

>> No.47287615

>>47287576 was meant to answer >>47283895
>Fan sites count too btw.

Now to bed I guess.

>> No.47289252
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Now that's a card I've not seen in a while

>> No.47289601

Probably artist colony to blame

>> No.47289856

Yeah, plus it's not exactly cheap

>> No.47290655


For me the influence really is the killer. Especially that News Team exists.

>> No.47293247

System Outage really leaves scratching my head for now.

I wonder what their idea for it is. I just want it to be a thing for that sweet Ixodidae combo.

>> No.47295195

What does System Outage do?

>> No.47295860

She's gonna be the next G00ru

>> No.47297364
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Alright. This isn't near the fun that MTG is but fuck all that money. How much total is it for the whole package. Do they still keep coming out with expensive expansions?

>> No.47297399

They have boosters now. Waste of time and money just like MTG now.

>> No.47297420

>Not near the fun
>Not strictly better than MTG in all but playerbase


>> No.47297654
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See >>47214940

>> No.47297736

Too bad you can't do this with art sleeves, just to give runners a mini-heart attack.

>> No.47297804
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It's the first card in the pack (even ahead of the identity), to represent the titular 23 Seconds, and it's a nice addition to Anarch's taxing portfolio.

Though I do hope we're approaching the end of the cards designed when anarchs were in the doldrums, I think a lot of people are getting a bit bored with all orange all the time, and I want to see some good stuff for criminals, especially vis-a-vis breaking - they can do a lot of other stuff, but that's their weakest area to me

You know they sell Snare! sleeves?
It's evil

>> No.47298710

Too bad there aren't any for Dedicated Response Team, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

>> No.47298887
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>Dedicated Response Team
I've just realised that that combos beautifully with Casting Call.

Temptation to make a murder deck rising...

>> No.47298967

How strange... Kilrain is 30th card of the cycle, but 30th card slot has usually been on Corps' half of the pack?

>> No.47299005

New runner game action: pet cat counters.

>> No.47299006

Went go check the number. In most cases 30th slot was HB card, but it has once been an Eden Fragment, and once a shaper card back in Breaker Bay...

>> No.47299041

Assuming a full 20 cards per pack, rough numbers go:
1-10 Runner
11-20 Corp

New Pack
21-30 Runner
31-40 Corp

It goes Anarch, Crim, Shaper, Neutral, so pack 2 either has more Runner than Corp cards, or no Neutrals.

Kilrain is a Resource, too, which fits - resources are the last cards in any runner-faction section of the pack, usually (I think it's IDs, Events, Hardware, Programs, Resources, so like the factions it's alphabetical)

Not sure where mini-factions will come in, and System Outage gets a pass for being the titular flashpoint event that kicks off the cycle

>> No.47299048

3 Casting Calls + 3 Data Ravens for a DRT deck? Or go down to 2 of each and free up the influence?

>> No.47299051

Yeah, due to 3 vs 4 the corps usually get more cards

>> No.47299098

System Outage, Gorman Drip, Global Sec Clearance?

>> No.47299122

Yeah, 12 inf worth of NBN tagging to play with, and Jackson.
Maybe including Salem/Hospitality for extra fun.

However I might wait a bit until the Judge comes out (annoyingly Mausolus is card 97, so is pack 5 of flashpoint), though I may struggle to protect all these assets

>> No.47299155
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Add pic related

>Whenever the Corp loses at least 1c, gain 1c.
>Trash Ixodidae if the Corp purges virus counters.

>> No.47299166

Something interesting I've never seen is using a Data Raven to tag the Runner, protecting a Psychic field with a rezzed DRT.

>> No.47299178

Salem could definitely be good for sniping out cards, especially Film Critic since it annoyingly nulls out Casting Call and Argus' ability.

Speaking of Mausolus, the card doesn't tax the runner more after being advanced does it? Since the upgrade only matters if it fires. The additional end the run is nice though.

>> No.47299187

Importing both is pretty harsh on the influence.

Might as well add Fester as well. Damned if you do, damned if you don't

>> No.47299223

Before being advanced, it's a 5 strength 3 sub code gate, but you can let it fire - the corp gains 1, you take 1 net, you take a tag.

After triple advancing, same str/subs, but now the corp gains 3, you take 3 net and it's ETR, so you've got to break it.

And it looks the same as any other triple advanced card when unrezzed, which is nice

>> No.47299284

>And it looks the same
That's the best part for me. My favourite part of all Space ICE is that they all look the same unrezzed (except Orion maybe).

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Yeah, I'm looking forward to that trap

>except Orion
True. On the other hand, do you know what looks just like Orion?
A 5-advanced Swarm.
No-one expects it (to be fair, it's hugely overpriced, but man does it have an impact)

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You could also just triple advance Orion, then rez it for 6.

>> No.47299382

How do you guys find windows for multi advancing ICE?

>> No.47299393

Run constellation protocol, Builder.

>> No.47299446

I'm not exactly playing at high levels or anything, but I can usually rely on having okay money, meaning the runner can't just run freely

>> No.47299645

>constellation is 4 to trash, 0 cost

So basically the same windows as Melange and other "click to gain credits" stuff? Seems reasonable, experience will still be the better teacher.

Tell you what though, you guys are hyping me up to play a Gagarin space ice + DRT deck now.

>> No.47299726

Ive been testing a gangsign ed deck to moderate success
does anyone have any advice?
3 Datasucker
3 HQ Interface
3 Faust
2 Gang Sign
3 Sure Gamble
2 Scrubber
3 Adjusted Chronotype
3 Medium
2 Corroder
3 Parasite
1 Spooned
2 Same Old Thing
3 Wyldside
2 Dirty Laundry
2 Mimic
3 I've Had Worse
1 Forked
1 Knifed
3 Daily Casts

>> No.47299729

Being BWBI helps (it's how I do it, and no-one is ever sure quite what to expect), but yeah - if you're not being immediately hassled by the runner taking a little time to make them deal with 5-7 strength ice for the rest of the game can be well worth it.

I also really like fire wall - it's rarely worth advancing, but it's nice to have the option (also I've used it to lock out knights and endless hunger, but that's really rare)

Even in a deck with advancable ice, swarm is a 1-of though, it's ridiculously awkward to use

>> No.47299769

No david?
Even with x3 datasucker that seem a little risky.

>> No.47299780

most of the time im pitching cards to faust but yeah i could probably find a spot for a few davids.

>> No.47299790

What's your cause of loss most games?

>> No.47299958

slow starts
well that and if I cant eat up opperations that generally makes it hard to win. Like those asset spam decks dont usually run all that many operations so i usually just get sunk unless I can break ice and steal agendas off the top of R&D or something.

>> No.47300491

I have made a new pretty sweet Haarp deck that feels really solid and all around fun:

Weird Movies (better name needed)

Agenda (13)
1 15 Minutes
2 AstroScript Pilot Program ○○
2 Breaking News
3 Explode-a-palooza
1 Project Beale
3 Quantum Predictive Model
1 Vanity Project ●
Asset (7)
3 News Team
2 PAD Campaign
2 Shannon Claire
ICE (17)
2 Archangel
2 Chimera
3 Data Raven
2 Gutenberg
3 Pop-up Window
3 Resistor
2 Tollbooth
Operation (17)
3 Biotic Labor ●●●●●●●●●●●●
2 Closed Accounts
3 Hedge Fund
3 Midseason Replacements
2 Psychographics
3 Sweeps Week
1 The All-Seeing I
54 cards
22/22 agenda points
13/13 Influence

>> No.47300646

Are you using Breaking News for anything? You might be able to squeeze in an Astroscript.
How about:
-2 Breaking news
-1 Vanity Project
+1 Astroscript
+2 Beale.
Same agenda density, better agendas.

>> No.47300774

I'd much rather keep breaking news. They are easy to fast advance without help, and that traceless tag is very useful.

>> No.47302146
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Only a week to the street date of Liberated, should be getting spoilers soon

>> No.47304438


>> No.47305451

What do you folks think of Sage as an icebreaker? Slap it on a Dinosaurus and it's pretty formidable. If only it didn't cost 2c per sub.

>> No.47305489

You answered your own question. 2c per sub is very rough, especially in the current meta of multi sub ice.

>> No.47307357


Sorry wanted to answer this all day, but been a bit busy. This is going to go into rambling mode, hopefully there's something useful in it for you. If you've been following these threads long enough, I had made some variations of a casual deck about the idea of Kim/Gang Sign, which for some reason has been dubbed the "mean" deck in the local club.

If Gang Sign itself is what you want to play, my opinion from testing is that it's the best Fisk support card released thus far. That is, its usefulness is at its best in case of agenda flood, whether natural or artificially provoked.

Since as an Anarch Kim doesn't have and can't afford enough crim tools (if only Fisk's Seminar), to attain similar results he has to use other angles.

Things I experimented with:

- Hemorrhage. I seem to be one of the few that love that card, but it's really great in forcing the corp to hold on sensitive operations (which Kim can trash on the corp's turn via Gang Sign) and agendas. It raises quality of HQ accesses so to speak. Add Jak Sinclair (you're very short on clicks) and maybe Sec Testing Support support if you can afford to make the corp regret having any unprotected server.

- Globalsec Security Clearance does something similar for R&D. Gravedigger support allows you to snipe cards off it even when the server has been made far too expensive for access. Scrubber allows you to get naturally trash-able cards, Kim get operations out. R&D is naturally going to be your first and main target early game. Forcing the corp to extend defenses here during that frame as you set up is a boon.

>> No.47307388


- Faust is great here in that you can threaten remotes early, forcing the corp to extend defense there too. Losing time and hopefully letting agendas pile on in HQ if you didn't manage to get them from R&D. I haven't tested any tool Anarchs might have (if only anti econ) to attain similar results. Might a worthwhile to test.

- Imp is generally decent support. Double up in case you access two sensitive Operations on the same turn, trash ICE etc...

- Virus Breeding Ground can allow you to (re)-arm some of your viruses without having to run mid-to late game if servers still manage to become too costly.

- Still very conflicted on HQ multi-access. HQI is reliable but expensive, both in money and influence. Nerve Agent alone makes you too dependent on your ability to run HQ (which shouldn't be the hardest thing ever with that deck, but I still don't like such a sensitive part of the strat to be under control of the corp - especially if you have other support virus to make the turn loss worthwhile for your opponent). On the plus side it gives you a way to force the corp to waste HQ defense yanway. Nerve Agent + a single Neutralize All Threats, on top of being delicious from a flavor standpoint, is nice, cheaper but the forced trashing might interfere with Hemorrhage a lot if you're going that way (but then SecTesting).

>> No.47307427

e3 and recurring credits help with multisub, but I found that Net chips (for programs, not for MU) and Mem Strips (for cheap MU and thus strength) are both really good with Sage

It's just a lot to get out... maybe in Hayley

>> No.47308185

no no, the strat is score glenn station -> host government takeover, now you deck agenda density is way reduced

>> No.47309984

You forgot Fast Track there. But that makes sense. All that while hoarding credits to SEA Source the Runner, I assume.

>> No.47312276


All I think of when I see research station's art at actual card size is how disposable razors keep adding more and more blades. By Netrunner time it's 11-blade razors just demolishing your facial hair.

>> No.47312399

No runner seems fun to me and I hate Whizzard and Faust, whats a runner I can have fun with?

>> No.47312413

Geist is super fun right now IMO

>> No.47312418


That is *incredibly* vague. What kind of stuff do you actually like doing? How competitive do you want to be? I mean, I have a bunch of fun playing dumb gimmicky decks like Exile and Surfer Kit, or Ken Tenma, but that doesn't mean you'd like the same thing.

>> No.47312432


Nasir is fun. It's cool setting up a giant rig and having a billion recurring credits every turn.

>> No.47312441

My favourite runner was Headlock Reina.

I wanna be semi-competitive but don't mind if its tier 2 or so

>> No.47312498

>I hate asparagus and soy milk. What food will I enjoy eating?
Fuck if I know. Find a card you like and build a deck around it.

>> No.47314532


>> No.47315202
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>Find a card you like and build a deck around it.
Honestly, this, or possibly a couple of cards in a combo, is a good way to start a deck if you're not going for total competitiveness (and sometimes it's good for that as well, for example DLR when it was big) - you start with the card, then find the best ways to use and support it, and that gets you most of a deck.

Add some econ and some anti-meta/tricks for the unexpected, and you're good to go

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How about getting to 7 points without stealing agendas, eh?

3x this, 3x Notoriety, 3x Hyperdriver...

The path of the g00ru.

>> No.47315714

Worth noting, with all the click gain cards it's possible to triple Notoriety in one turn.

>> No.47315716

Thank god, a good card that it's not anarch. This is straight up better than black file and political graffiti. Don't think of it as a way to get points, think of it as a way to deny points to the corp. You give him the choice of either score 2 points or push his game back. Amazing against NBN and HB who are all about 2 pointers.

>> No.47315914

Damn son

Deny points, and deny effects. Fuck your Astro, Atlas or MUpgrades, we liberated now

>> No.47315921


Oooohhhh... Shiny.

Whether through some fluke chance or real info, that anon that was claiming upcoming cards would give players more ways to win without scoring/stealing was on to something it seems.

I like how Chela ties both with the temple and Akshara Sareen (and The Price of Freedom to a lesser extent). Lovely.

>> No.47315936

Say, where did these come from... and where are the rest?

>> No.47315956


Note that The Price of Freedom prevents advancing, but not putting advancement tokens, so Shipment From SanSan and Trick of Light still work. To name only major pains.

>> No.47316039


>> No.47316243
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Reddit. No clue about the rest.

>> No.47316255

You still need to sac 3 agendas... like news teams and fan sites, but 3x Notoriety would leave you one short

>> No.47316273

Of course. 3x Fan Site is basically an autoinclude.

>> No.47316321

Facebook, this is the only spoiler for now.

>> No.47316970


Giving it a bit more thought, I wonder how Chela could help with Kit's very aggressive start but somewhat more difficult middle/later game.

>> No.47318278

So, who's the best Kit?
Stealth Kit?
Study Guide Kit?
Yogsaurus Kit?
Gordian Kit?
Torch Kit?
Cyber-Cipher Kit?

>> No.47318586

Rebirth Kate into Kit running 3 Spooned

>> No.47319032

1 Spooned, 2 Planned Assault. If we are cheating siphons we can also cheat Spoons.

>> No.47319085

Spoilers incoming... when the guy gets off work or whatever

>> No.47319222

Awww yes!!! Here comes the goods!

>> No.47319559

Will the meta go back to actual fucking Netrunner after rotation?
I cant help be think that the current meta is just a bunch of patches on cards that should never have been printed.

>> No.47319668


No IDs but holy shit that Weyland alliance op

>> No.47319687

netrunner is fundamentally broken, even after rotation they will be hard pressed to print an agenda that is valuable enough to be included in most decks without power creep, and we will never see a return to even a CHOICE for diverse corp econ through operation. after whiz rotates, there will be no end to corp dominance with the current cards in the pool (that won't rotate)

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Ah, didn't see the double.

Disappoint at the lack of IDs, but still

>> No.47319775
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Love the rez/str

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>> No.47319831
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>> No.47319841
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>> No.47319853


>> No.47319879
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How about I post a card too?

Shame we're on the way down though (and shame there's no IDs)

>> No.47319901

No ID's ? That's disappointing.

Pumping a lot of influence, so can't see much use outside of murder consultations

Wish this was criminal or 1 inf for ultimate Tenma deck

Now waiting on TTGL breaker for anarchs

>> No.47319939

>Now waiting on TTGL breaker for anarchs

Fun combos - with City Hall and Consulting, you can play any Operation for 2 clicks and 2 credits, from your deck.

Just got to find the clicks

>> No.47320008

Wow no IDs but I love everything in this pack!

>> No.47320093

Most dumbest and fastest trick I can think with this: Use Astro or Biotic to fast advance breaking news. Exchange breakin news for Vanity Project. For Porfit.

>> No.47320115

Could work well with Media Blitz... But how does NBN exactly utilize mid Run advancements? I still have hard time following that design space..

>> No.47320123

Bringing the Apocalypse has ener been easier!

>> No.47320297

Haarp can laugh it all the way to the bank, not so sure about anyone else

Maybe they get their trap game on?

>> No.47320313

I already see a ruling coming for this card.
The card doesn't specify how many cards go to each facedown pile, only that they are separated. So you can have a snare in one pile, and 3 Shocks in the other pile.

>> No.47320356

The first deck I made was a Jank NBN deck with Matrix Analyzer to add advancement on the server they were running.
>Is it an agenda? Or a 5 advanced Junebug?
Just like that. Mindfuckery all around.

>> No.47320389

I'm guessing we'll find out later if this card means "2 equal sized piles" or "2 piles of any size". Neat method for multiaccessing, though as >>47320313 mentioned this could be detrimental vs Jinteki.

I like that they chose Yog to be the image for this. I'm guessing this in front of a Taurus, Sagittarius, Archer, or any other hard hitting sentry?

This might work well with >>47319786, though probably not in a Weyland deck since you'd may as well aim from a flatline.

>> No.47320407

Love this one. The equivalent of titanium ribs for Corps. That also means nobody is going to play it.

>> No.47320493

>any other hard hitting sentry?
It's a +3 so practically anything goes.
From Strength 7 Eli, Strength 7 Merlin, Strength 4 Komainu. To the simplest one, like strength 6 Neural Katana, Strength 3 Bailiff, Strength 5 Enigma. It's pretty damn good.
Without the drawback of having to rez the card to Patch it.

>> No.47320496

I used Astro Token once to make Junebug lethal right before Runner accessed. Felt good.

>> No.47320502

I believe the corp can divide the HQ however they wish. Even having piles of 0 and X amount of cards.

>> No.47320660

Ooh, just noticed how good this could be with 'resolve subroutine of another rezzed ice' cards.

That'd be useful for forcing a Snare on the runner. Love how the card is a double edged sword.

>> No.47321089

So useless if the runner does an account siphon or Sec tests it?

>> No.47321116

Also a nonbo with Crisium

>> No.47321846

I like the noble path. High risk, high reward should come back to anarch, big time.
That said, I don't know what kind of deck I'd make to include this one.

>> No.47321956

One with Empty Mind Perhaps?

>> No.47321996

Bump limit reached, new thread


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