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tell me tales tg.... what was 40k like before the spiritual leige, the wolfing of the space wolves, the cheesing of the GK, the raising of the prices, the updates of the SoB... i can't imagin GW doing something right... help me

>> No.46777238

Much that once was is lost; for none now live who remember it.

>> No.46777289

>>46777238
it may be heresy, but in this case its okay... necromancy
OH OLD GRIZZLED NECKBEARDS HEAR ME! RETURN FROM THINE SLUMBER AND RETURN TO THE LIVING! OOHAM RA! SHALI QUA. RIZZLE RIZZLE HAPHLAM!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.46777338

>>46777149
When I started, it was all the rage having rhinos rushing fishes of fury, while distraction carnifex distracted people from the fact that there was a daemon weapon that laughed in the face of Invulnerability.
But alas, the Age of Cavatore started, and there was no rejoicing.

>> No.46777467

>>46777338
fascinating...

>> No.46777502

There was much frolicking and love, happiness and warfare.

But then the bigatures attacked

And that's why we play zone mortalis children

>> No.46777590

>>46777502
bigatures eh?

>> No.46777622

>>46777502
>But then the bigatures attacked

advances in injection moulding gave me the plastic minis I always wanted, but also gave GW the means to produce everything that ruined 40k.

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>>46777149
>what was 40k like before

All I remember was having a lone Khorne Berzerkers Champion kill a terminator sergeant with a plasma pistol shot, then charge in and kill the other 4 with a power sword before they could swing their power fists.

Good times.

>> No.46777891

>>46777838
>all power weapons were AP2

Ah, just thinking about it makes me smile.

>> No.46777934

>>46777149
just bought this set for 10€ from a friend. only 1 ork is missing. though i have no idea what to do with the ork half anyway.

what to do with 19 ork boyz and 40 gretchins when i collect CSM, Nids, Tau and IG?

>> No.46778031

>>46777934
Ork Genestealer Cult maybe?

>> No.46778032

>>46777891
And it gets better, you could consolidate (Sweeping Advance) from one combat to another, the second combat would happen as well.
>Chaos Lord with shitton of Gifts, jump pack & Raptor retinue
>Chaos Champion with gifts with Chosen retinue and Infiltrate
>vs infantry heavy Guard
>Turn 1 - jump packs to one side, infiltration on another, both hit CC
>tear through unit, consolidate into another
>rinse
>repeat couple more times
>both lose most of the retinue in the process but push through
>they high-five in the middle over the remains of Command Squad
>there is no Turn 2

>> No.46778041

>>46777891
it upsets me that they no longer are

>> No.46778058

>>46778032
And would get slaughtered by the Green Goblin Archon and its Dark Lance wielding retinue.

>> No.46778192

ive gone through many bags o popcorn reading this....but, what were the spacewolves like with less wolf, thats a question i want answered....

>> No.46778237

>>46778032
This. Back during the 13th Black Crusade campaign I played Night Lords. 4 squads of meta gunning raptors with Lightning Claw champoin, a daemon prince with lol wut saves? axe, all of which infiltrated, and two minimum squads of marines to make it legal. Get stuck in CC turn one and stay there all game. There was much rage at that list.

>> No.46778280

>>46778192
>what were the spacewolves like with less wolf, thats a question i want answered....

They were an actual marine chapter instead of the grotesque parody of themselves that they've become these days

>> No.46778294

>>46778192
They were space vikings.

>> No.46778427

>>46777149
remember when there was no difference among power weapons, and you could field a guy wielding a sword or a two handed axe only for aestethics?

good times

>> No.46778430

>>46777149
That's a really broad field you are giving us here.
There are roughly three eras: Rogue Trader, 2nd Edition and 3rd/4th, everything after that is practically now.

>>46778032
That shit was just insane and it alone made shooting armies borderline unplayable. Unless you were Crisis, of course, jumping to and fro impassable/LoS Blocking terrain.

Khârn alone could sweep up an entire fucking army once he reached their lines, I've seen it happen more than once because I played World Eaters


>>46778192
They were mostly a nod towards fluff, like all Marine side-flavors were and like they always should have been. You got your Grey Hunters, Blood Claws, Wolf Scouts and a few special items making them unique, and it was flavorfull and well enough. Biggest problem of the marine flavors was, that they were weakish 3rd Edition Side books.

>> No.46778504

>>46778430
Ah yes, the one were Librarians had one, and only one, power. A shooting power, if memory serves me right.

>> No.46778529

>>46777149
I remember getting home and painting up my first squads of marines and orks using that box cover as a guide. They looked horrible but i was so pleased with them.
A bunch of the orks ended up broken because i left them on my bedroom floor and stepped on them one day. those little axes hurt

>> No.46779025

>>46778032
You were only supposed to fight the next combat on the next turn, not on the same turn you swept.

>> No.46779154

I remember well the 37th battle for Uninhabited Shithole Asteroid #48396, where Marneus Calgar and Abaddon once again engaged in mortal combat while their respective troop squads sat and played bridge and waited for the characters to settle everything. Then a model on fire rolling on the hallucinogen table threw a vortex grenade and everyone died.

For a brand-new updated 2nd ed Battle Bible:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?234489-2nd-ED-memories/page106

Also, I'd place 5th with 3rd and 4th, and only 6th+ as the modern era (fliers, apocalypse, allies).

>> No.46779255

>>46779025
Consolidate did take you directly into combat, but was only 3". Sweeping Advance meant you ate bullets first. He is mixing his terminology.

>> No.46779430

>>46778430
mh.... what was rouge like

>> No.46779465

>>46778529
cant be worse than a lego

>> No.46779495

In third edition, a box of Imperial Guardsmen cost $30 USD. It had 20 models and enough special and heavy weapons for them.

>> No.46779704

I started playing at the very start of 5th edition and promptly quit at the very start of 6th, don't regret my decision whatsoever.

The end of 4th throughout 5th was the zenith of any sembalence of "balance" or "competitveness" for 40k, with sites like BOLS, Dakkadakka and Yesthetruthhurts vying for dominance.

The "Ward" era. Matt Ward's only real problem was he wrote terribad fluff, his rules were actually excellent. This was mostly exacerbated by other authors spotty and or shitty rules writing (Phil Kelly's copy and paste laziness, Crudditch's excellent IG and shit everything else).

From what I've gathered, the real Golden Age of 40k was late 3rd edition. The Nid book, Chaos Marines, and Dark Eldar of that era were simply awesome with Marines only being a smidge behind the power curve.

The entire game is shit now in all forms. RIP.

>> No.46779752

>>46779704
prepare for skub

>> No.46779802

>>46777838
Once upon a time they weren't berserkers. They were World Eater Chaos Space Marines. I have a plastic box of ten painted up.

>> No.46779850

>>46779802
oooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
is this ancient 40k knowledge?

>> No.46779994

>>46779850
I got into 40k buying the box in the OP picture. Second edition. The berserker thing was added along with the other cult troops in the second edition chaos codex, which came out a bit later. When I bought and used my World Eaters, I was playing out of the Codex Imperialis in the box.

>> No.46780019

>>46779802
Was that the time were one could dedicate all of their vehicles to Khorne?

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>>46779465
I trod on a squad of there guys. Was much like stepping on lego, and it broke the orks

>> No.46780170

thats nothing, i once steped on an emprah class titan...

>> No.46780192

>>46780170
Epic Armageddon?

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>>46779704

Grey Knights. 1,500 point draigo wing with 2 psyrifle men where your opponent needed a pen and paper and 10 minutes to allocate wounds for his Bullshit shenanigans. Where the dreadnoughts with extra armour and rerolls were impossible to kill. Where a guy could lose a duel, pass a LD test, and auto kill his foe.

Matt was indeed a visionary beyond our mortal understanding...

>> No.46780236

>>46780208
>Matt was indeed a visionary beyond our mortal understanding
Fantasy players knew that years before GK shenanigans.

>> No.46780255

>>46780192
no, i was in a super emprah class titan and i crushed the fucker

>> No.46780292

>>46777891
>most power weapons lose ap 2
>every single gun gets it

kill me

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>>46779255
I mean you didn't fight the next round of combat in the same turn.
So his "Turn one Kharn killed the whole army exdee" is impossible.

>40kids pretending to know the rules.
Stop.

>> No.46780307

>>46780019
Demonic possession was an option for vehicles. I had a Predator in World Eater colors with one of the old skinny bloodletters in the turret.

>> No.46780383

>>46780294
Hah, I missed the "all on turn 1 part".

That's one hell of a misreading of the rules.

>> No.46780409

>>46780383
More like fairweather fans pretend to be oldfags for mongolian basket weaving board cred.

You nigs want some proper oldhams? I'll post that Armageddon battle report again.

>> No.46780424

I really wish i had kept the old GW catalogs from the early 1990s. I remember it was all blood angels and orks. I also remember when eldar came out. So much jewelling needed in the paint job.

The old dioramas were so much brighter and flamboyant than the grim dark shit now.

Have not played warhammer since maybe 1998ish though so i cant comment much on rule changes.

If i find the catalogs i'll scan them for you TG

>> No.46780457

>>46777149
It being older doesn't make it better. This thread is disgusting.

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>>46780457

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i've seen imperial jetbikes on fire off the shoulder of Rynn's World

seen conversion beams glitter in the darkness at the Cadian Gate

i remember Wargear Slots, and a 2,000pt. army list consisting of just Abbaddon and his bodyguards, all wearing terminator armor with reaper autocannons, carrying displacer fields and vortex grenades, PLUS psychic powers.

i've seen a Harlequin's Kiss penetrate the hull of a Land Raider and slaughter every single crew member inside on a lucky roll.

i remember Ork Battlewagons being able to transport as many orks as would fit on the model, and any who fell off while moving the wagon fell off in the real game.

i saw Squats and Zoats and Slann, and i watched as their great works crumbled, and they slipped into the darkness between galaxies.

all these...memories...will be lost. like tears, in rain.

time to play something else

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>>46780457
>It being older doesn't make it better. This thread is disgusting.

So sez you. I like these threads. It just got off to a shitty start.

>> No.46780969

>>46777289

I'm 35 hardly old and grizzled. I first played Rogue Trader in 1991 or so. What I liked about 40k was it was more younger in cheek less serious, less grim dark. The setting was wide open for using what ever scifi minis you had. Everything wasn't laid out and spelled out. The minis were lead and it put a dent in my head when my older brother threw a terminator at me.

>> No.46781022

>>46780771
Oh man I saw half of that in person myself...

I've seen an Avatar shotgunned in the face by arbiters and pushed off the table, rendering it a casualty for all intents and purposes.
I've seen such abuses of the old war gear rules, a callidus assasin revealing herself from a nob, entering in all her splendour wearing terminator armour and riding a bike tossing a vortex grenade.
I've seen a khorne berserker charging a gretchin only to lose and kill himself due to sword rules and ones.
Plastic goffs falling like rain from a plastic battle wagon.
Gretchin standard bearer in mega armour.
Entire armies snuffed out in the blink of an eye due to a single virus grenade.
All those moments..:

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>>46777149
I come from the days when Dark Angels were intractable to the point of not moving in the face of suicidal danger. When Ravenwing and Deathwing were force organization choices, not changes to troops choices, and when Plasma Cannons could be given to my tactical squads in place of lascannons at no additional cost.

>> No.46781183

>>46780922

oh shit, and BANNER POLES.

i remember Banner Poles EVERYWHERE

>> No.46781192

>>46777149
Didn't we just have this thread like 2 days ago?

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>>46777149
>>46780922
I remember when a Baneblade and other super-heavies were considered rare on the battlefield. Those were the days.

>>46780771
Nice.

>> No.46781277

>>46780457
Being newer doesn't make it better either.

>> No.46781392

>>46780457
It was better because it was better.

>> No.46781530

>wierdboyz with minderz
>hallucinogen grenade chart
>bionic leg kick attack
>cybork body
>madboy reaction chart
>robot behaviour programming grid
>necrons being demon infested robots
>extra D6 for outnumbering in cc
>cyclone missile launcher burst fire
>sustained fire dice
>shokk attack gun killing terminators because the suits where so big
>warp power cards to fuel your psychic power cards
>dismounting your rhino driver going on a rampage with only a bolt pistol
>thudd gun
>mole mortar
>conversion field best field blinding everyone else when working
>displacement field teleportin you
>vortex grenade to put an end to 3 inv save shenanigans

>> No.46781532

>>46777149
WHEN I WAS A YOUNG 'UN the third edition Tyranid codex had just released, and it had -
-wait for it-
- CUSTOMIZABLE EVERYTHING.
Yes, EVERYTHING. Every beastie in the book except Biovores, who are shit, and Spore Mines, who are delayed blast templates had a sizeable list of biomorphs you could apply to it for certain point costs, and while some of them were the size of normal wargear lists, others - most notably Gaunts - were straight up build-your-own-beastie.
That's right, Old GW managed to find a way for players to apply Your Guys to disposable swarms of mook bug-o-saurs.

>> No.46781633

>>46780771
I see you repressed the memories of virus outbreaks.

Also, people still dust of RT and 2nd edition every now and then. I'd wager you could find a market for 3rd-4th era too. Just gotta ask around.

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>>46778031
>orky hybrids

My melanin-enriched gentlefellow.

>> No.46781839

>>46777149
The tension from rolling 3 dice on assault cannon shots.

>JAMMED

>> No.46781882

"Kirby & Co took over in 1991 but 'The Studio' kept GW rolling in dosh
for a decade by making The Hobby more diverse every year: GM came out
in '97, Mordheim in '98 and BFG (AKA Man-o-War in Spaaace) in '99 and
40k peaked at 3rd edition until, sometime in Y2k, an incredible story
about 'irreparably broken moulds' was floated around the gaming
community. The truth? Tom 'video is just a fad' Kirby lost his mind
and killed Specialist. In less than 5yrs, it all came tumbling down."
- Econ101

>> No.46781899

>>46781760
>>46778031
Mind Slaves are also something. That's what the orks in advanced space crusade and tyranid attack represented.

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>>46781183
>i remember Banner Poles EVERYWHERE

Remind me... when was the last time we faced each other?

>> No.46782174

>>46781183
>>46782131
>HH doesn't have banner poles.
This disturbs me so much lads.

Make Banner Poles Great Again.

>> No.46782203

>>46782131
sO... MUCH banner

>> No.46782769

>>46780457
The argument isn't "older is better", it's "pre-shit isn't shit".
Whether or not and which part(s) are shit is probably the argument you're looking for.

>> No.46782803

>>46782131
>that ONE marine in the front left with no banner
>staring at the ground
>out of shame

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>>46782803
>that ONE marine in the front left with no banner
>staring at the ground
>out of shame

You don't follow our WIP thread (>>46762016) much, do you?

>> No.46784335

2e warhammer 40k was kind of like hearthstone, everything was random and overpowered in a way.

you could make an orc army that was entirely autocannon bikers, a space marine army that was 100% plasma cannon devastators... you could win with a lucky vortex grenade, or you could take eldar autaurchs and melee the entire enemy army to death in 1 turn.

eldar were more broken than the rest, IG were generally total shit tier. it was fun though, and there was a lot less jackassery/autists back then, since netlists weren't really a thing yet.

>> No.46784432

also, melee in 2e was borked and took way too much time, since you fought 1v1, if you win, move 2" and fight again, repeat until you lose or can't reach anyone. i believe eldar got 4" follow up move, which is why they were a bit op.

you also had targetting priority that applied to non character models (to prevent assassinations, since you could target individual guys in shooting). ork characters could take lascannons and snipe heroes though, which was always funny.

also, bs3 orks, and mega armor had an invuln save while terminator armor didn't.

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Back in 2nd in the time of wargear the local meta was:

Apothecary + Jump Pack + Vortex Grenade = derka derka mohammed jihad

>> No.46784916

>>46784335
>2nd ed eldar autaurchs

What.

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>>46777590

>> No.46786088

The time when the Land Raider and Monolith were the most unkillable vehicles in the game.

>> No.46786291

>>46786088
the battle report they did for the monolith release was pretty sweet

>> No.46786343

>>46785719
pretty weak list desu.

tournament must be comped really hard.
Also basing is -9001/10.

>In a setting with endless worlds and infinite possibilities a choose to base grey with little Gw grass, both makes no sense and looks shit

Add that to the lack of focus color on the model.... base should have been martian sand..

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It was the glory days of Chaos, and a Space Muhreene butthurt that echoes to this day.

>> No.46786464

>>46786408
The Tyranid and CSM 'dexes were just beautiful, and I didn't even play either of those armies.

>> No.46786811

If I remember correctly aren't there rules for Khorne Orkz?

>> No.46787801

>>46780922
I see Jhonny!!!
I want to get Jhonny
But Alas I cant find him on Ebay!

>> No.46787818

>>46786464
>>46786408
And you got Andy Chambers to thank for.

GW was retard when they let him go, they should bring him back as the overfiend once more.

>> No.46787870

>>46786408
This book is basically my high point in the hobby. I just stopped playing after they replaced it and took all the fun out of chaos.

>> No.46787926

Weren't squigs just tyranoformed orcs?

>> No.46787939

>>46787818
was a multi-person book, not just andy

haines was well involved in writing it, if I remember right

>> No.46787994

>>46787939
Yes but Andy is the one that instructed them on what to do. When he was around you had fun books and loads of cool shit. Once he left the game became a bland mess.

>> No.46788052

Wargear Cards

>> No.46788063

>>46787994
I love andy and his games, but it wasn't just a single golden touch making things good. A glut of the old guard left in a small timeframe, which is why quality dropped.

>> No.46788076

>>46780771
>i remember Ork Battlewagons being able to transport as many orks as would fit on the model, and any who fell off while moving the wagon fell off in the real game.

Oh yes I remember this

>> No.46788464

As CSM I tabled an Eldar player without losing a single guy. Thanks rhino rushing possessed. U da real MVP.

>> No.46788481

>>46784916
I think he means phoenix lords.
anyway 2nd edition is dead and buried and I pray no-one tries to resurrect that monstrum.

the game ended after 4 turns
vehicles with turn radius
you could switch a squad of yours to overwatch where they could fire in the enemy movement while something ran from cover to cover. While cool it made remembering which unit did what exactly rather bad. To help remember that as well as run. blinded etc the game came with a literal shitload of little cardboard makers, which resulted in the game table being full with them.
melee was a real bitch to work out
getting into melee was as well, because each race had different move stats, eldar 5, sm 4 inches and the game lasted only 4 turns.....
each vehicle came with its own hit card where you had to roll which part you hit, so you could blow up the turret of a predator while the rest continued driving and shooting its sponsons. Also crewmembers could abandon the tank and go to another where a gunner died.
Again sounds cool, but dear god keeping track of all that shit.

>> No.46788520

>>46788481
>anyway 2nd edition is dead and buried and I pray no-one tries to resurrect that monstrum.

2nd edition is the best edition; a logical continuation of the stuff set out in Rogue Trader, and before the gutting of the system that happened in 3rd Edition.

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>>46778430
>Biggest problem of the marine flavors was, that they were weakish 3rd Edition Side books.
Remember a time when White Dwarf would feature crazy rules and fluff just to try out? Like when they decided to do articles on all the main Marine chapters, each with some little rule and a couple pages of story and maybe, a unique character, none of it playtested and all just for shits and grins?

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>>46788481
>anyway 2nd edition is dead and buried
Necromunda is where it's at. Forget fighting aliens for the glory of the immortal emperor, you've got creds to make by raiding Van Saar whiskey distilleries.

My lgs had 5-6 sets of Necromunda cardstock terrain, more than enough to cover an entire table in monstrous skyscraper towers. Heavies simply had to take the grapnel hooks for fear of falling to their doom from a stray shot.

We used all the extra rules that came in Outlands and even some from the CJ. Random table conditions was amazing, like rolling the entire table surface as a viscous goo, and if your models landed in it, they were dead. Like off your roster dead.

I loved having your grizzled old leader, with missing digits, bionic leg, and the coolest stolen carapace armor. Always gave mine a grenade launcher, cuz fuck you. Half your gang shows up randomly every game due to old battle wounds, so you hire Jeff the Juve, give him a knife (first one is free) and let him gain levels at 5 xp per hit in close combat. If he dies before leveling, fuck it, he was cheap.

>> No.46788784

>>46788757
My specialist games nigga.

Just getting my eschers back into painted quality. Damn if they weren't the best female sculpts GW ever did or will do.

>> No.46788793

Remember that time when white dwarf was not a GW only ad factory, but instead talked of RPGs and TTRPGs in the grand scheme of things and actually felt like it was a work of passion?

>> No.46788798

>>46786811

not in the 2e ork codex. there were rules for them, but i forget where they were located.

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>>46788784
I loved the Eschers, but used some of the female Guard to fill out certain roles or for specially loved characters.

Goddammit Outlands was an amazing expansion! We would do a yearly game for high-level gangs where an entire table of gangs fought off a Chaos Space Marine incursion (or sometimes an Imperial incursion sweeping out a "tainted" hive). We used Space Marines right out of the Outlands book. Massive xp and rewards for killing them, but most gangs would lose most of their members trying.

We did the same with Genestealers and cultists too. You don't know fear until your heavies are being stalked through a dark Underhive by a xenomorph...

Basically, all gangs would be retired after one of these big events and everyone would roll new rosters.

>> No.46788871

>>46788793
I don't remember pre-GW products days, but I remember WD having fun stuff by gamers for gamers: new scenarios, weird untested rules, tactica articles and batreps that weren't just advertising the newest unit/codex...

>> No.46788889

>>46780969
I am now imagining someone throw a 2,5 meter tall actual ceramite covered terminator at you.

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Anyone remember the global events like 13th Crusade, or 3rd Battle for Armageddon? When new experimental units were added to the even websites with optional fluff-based units for 40k and BFG?

Good times.

>> No.46788933

>>46785719
>kroot are the same colour as the suits.
>presumably everybody painted their suits to match the local kroot's skin.

>> No.46789095

>>46777149
We played 750-1000 point games and a wraithlord or leman russ was a centerpiece model.

The rulebook had army lists for every army in preparation for when codices started coming out.

>> No.46789207

>>46777149

Gather round children, and hear tales from one of the elders.

Started playing 40k in 2nd ed, back in the days of save modifiers, of using d8s, d10s, and d12s, of heavy weapons inflicting multiple wounds, of vehicles having their own tables (including bikes mind you), of the Eldar D-Cannon teleporting your tanks into orbit, of the Thudd-gun and it's 4 template blast.

These children, were the days before the Tau, when the Necrons had but 4 unit options. The days when every army was updated, and the Squats still roamed the galaxy.

So, yeah. Better in some ways, the atmosphere in stores was better, the grimdark was still understood as a parody, and the big unit focus was unknown.
Worse in some, not as many multi-part kits, things like Virus Grenades took an hour to resolve and would wipe out half the armies, wouldn't bother others. Individual models in units fleeing because they were on fire, all sorts of extra extraneous crap to try and track.

Then the things that never change, the kids underfoot in store, the smell of unwashed flesh, and people (even then) complaining about prices.

>> No.46789250

2ed was pretty much Herohammer. A common thing to see would be a pair of simple squads then the most unkillable killing machine of a commander ever who would then go on to solo the entire enemy army.

The game itself was pretty much peaking by then if you ask me. It was still heavily inspired by it's rpg roots with lots of random tables and options. This was also before the time of netdecks, so cheese was somewhat rare, people built what they liked to see and do.

Thinking back, what was some of the strongest army options? I ran Eldar and Tyranids when they came out against all those fucking marines and did fairly well. Two Carnifexs helped and it makes me sad they're now made of Styrofoam.

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I do remember when I befan the game, WD did tacticas, conversion articles and stuff, special rules for thematic armies... Gods I miss that.
I remember they also showcased global events where you could participate by playing in GW stores and uploading your results and stuff, I really digged that sort of things, anyone knows if they plan to do that again ? I am surprised they didnt do one for AoS release :/

>> No.46789349

>>46789250
>Herohammer

I strongly feel like this is when both warhammer fb and warhammer 40 000 made the most sense from a design standpoint.

A few small to medium sized units backed up by crazy heroes and centerpiece monsters makes sense in 28mm and plays well.

Battles with 150+ minis on the table are tedious as fuck. At least whfb had the tactical element of positioning to make it more enjoyable as squadhammer, but 40k is just drek.

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>tfw I just started playing 40k
Don't know whether I'm blissfully ignorant or just an idiot that's having fun because he doesn't know better.

I really wish I was around when battle fleet was a thing. I'd have loved to have battle fleets complimenting my ground troops. Our GW manager's running a narrative driven campaign and he's letting those that still have space figures to duke it out to determine parts of the land campaign.

>> No.46789381

I had some mates that loved narrative gaming, and randomness like Orks and Chaos were supposed to be. I played one game with Chaos vs Chaos, that had 7 Chaos deadnaughts (IW on one side, lots of cultists on the other). With Chaos dreads' possibly going crazy and shooting your own troops, it was wonderful random carnage.

>> No.46789391

>>46789340
Do you remember Da Green Kroosade? If not, look it up. That shit was hilarious.

Last I heard they're pointless. Wasn't the Medusa V largely won by Chaos players, but the fluff was then changed to be an imperial victory of them blowing the place up?

>> No.46789413

>>46780969

>I'm 35
>hardly old and grizzled

Considering men are dying younger and younger...

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>>46789368
BFG linked 40K games were amazballs. I remember one special event (prob for Armageddon or Black Crusade) where we did two tables: Gothic on one, 12' table of 40K on the other. The Gothic players were attacking or defending a planet. The 40K players were fighting over Planetary Defense control sites. Some Gothic ships could bring in reinforcements or make orbital strikes, but had to drop into low orbit to do so (enter the planet's gravity well where they are essentially taken off the table for a turn). Whomever held a defense site could in turn take shots at any ships offering support that turn.

I think we had 8 players or more. It was chaos. It was glorious.

>> No.46789428

>>46777891

That's the way it should be. Power weapons have a matter disruption field that allows them to cut through almost anything that isn't shielded.

Hell, lorewise they should be AP1 but that would likely be too OP for the game.

>> No.46789450

>>46789420
The one the manager has planned has about 15 or so, I believe. No idea what to expect. Apparently it's going to slowly ramp up in points so I'll have time to build up my shitty guard army.

>> No.46789463

>>46780457

The minis were cuter though

>> No.46789467

>>46789413
Only if you're a fat disgusting mess/riddled with mental illness or black.

>>46789420
That sounds fucking glorious

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Back in the day of 3rd Edition, when it was planned to have a bunch of battlefield zone books as supplements, GW released Cityfight. It was fresh and new, and had lots of cool ideas.

My roommate at the time was an Outrider running demos and local Rogue Trader tournies (those were a thing, if they aren't now). He needed terrain, and lots of it. At least 4 4x8' tables, , and a few 4x4's if possible.

We hit the craft store, bought foamcore, cardstock, lots of glue and spray paint. Then we went home, got really stoned, and went to work.

My buddy lasted a few hours, then passed out. I don't remember much of that night, being heavily stoned for most of it. All I know is somehow dozens of urban ruins and buildings were put together and painted the next morning, enough to meet our needs.

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Remember the days when Orks could fit as many models into a truk as actually fit, and any that fell off took wounds?

>> No.46789618

>>46786408
I'm a loyalist through and through but that book was a prick to play against. If a book anywhere near as good as that came out again I'd pick up chaos in a heart beat

>> No.46789691

>>46777149
Back in my day, Gets Hot! was "roll less than or equal to the number of shots fired". This was usually not a problem, since most plasma weapons were Pistols or Heavy 1.
But then, you could take a Space Marine Captain. With a Combi-Plasma. Meaning a rapid-fire Gets Hot! weapon on a BS5 model. Meaning if you rolled 2s, your dude would hit the enemy... and his own face at the same time.

Ahhh, those were the days.

>> No.46789718

>>46777149
Ahh, second edition. When women were women, men were men, and tiny men were made from metal (or, at the very least, their specialty weapons and sergeant heads were).

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>tfw armies used to look something like this with maybe a Predator or Land Raider for a big battle
>little timmies these days have 3 Knights/Riptides/Nagashes minimum, all sprayed with gold car spray

Quit 40k shortly after the beginning of 5th, looks atrocious now with all this "DLC" bullshit of multiple codexes, allies, detatchments, datasheets, formations, whatever shit.

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I remember a time, when Necrons were "Chaos Androids" (pic related)

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>>46789813

I have a fetish for the old one-piece plastics from stuff like Space Crusade, Heroquest, Warhammer Quest and that.

A lot of them show that even the worst old models can look nice with a good paintjob. You can still pick a lot of them up cheap too.

>> No.46789943

>>46789915
I remember playing Heroquest when I was younger. Never saw them painted, they do actually look pretty decent.

>> No.46789970

>>46789467
It's hard not to be riddled with mental illness when you live in a diseased society.

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>>46789915

>> No.46790014

>>46789974
Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

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>>46786408

I started in 3rd ed, my Berzerkers were marines with A2 +1 due to close combat weapon and bolt pistol and fearless. I loved them for what they were.

Then 4th ed came out and for an extra 3 pts, my berzerkers could also move +D6", had furious charge and the first incarnation of the Khornate Chainaxe (Lowered high tier armour saves to a 4+)

I went from killing marines... to massacring them.

Khorne bless 3rd and 4th ed.

>> No.46790021

>>46789413

>men are dying younger and younger

I... what?

Life expectancy for everyone in the developed world has been consistently rising since the second world war.

>> No.46790037

Str 7 AP 2 small blast disintgrators. 20 dark lances. At 1500 points. An Archon who could OD on drugs and instant death. Blasters for everyone

I murdered so many armies with the old DE codex.

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>>46788895

13th Crusade was a good time for me.

My Berzerkers were a rape train.

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rip at the start of 6th

It twas a magical time

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>>46789915

>Battle Masters

Oh yeah. Remember when it was the cheapest way to build an Empire army as you got like 20 infantry, a cannon, and five knights in the £20 boardgame, along with all the Chaos stuff.

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>>46790049

The warriors were pretty shit compared to the Heroquest ones though

>> No.46790096

>>46789809
>polystyrene hills
>lovingly crafted cardboard ruins
>goblin green bases

It was a better time. Honestly fuck whoever turned 40k into a way shittier 28mm Epic.

>> No.46790124

IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FAR FUTURE

There was only neatly trimmed grass fields.

>> No.46790138

>>46790021
In 40k, something will blast, eat, dissolve, soul-suck, or otherwise annihilate most people by their 35th birthday. Anyone still alive is at least a grizzled veteran and probably some sort of hero unit.

>> No.46790344

>>46790124
you don't want to fight in the undergrowth like a savage do you?

>> No.46790692

>>46790124

I actually prefer it to today's "well here's my Astra Militarum™ Wall of Martyrs™: Firestorm Redoubt™ that costs 200 points and has 6 Lascannons" stupid shit.

>> No.46790730

Does anyone have fond memories of Warhammer Fantasy?

I remember some of the bashes with my family when I got the Lizardman and Brettonian boxed set. I mostly ended up using the figures for D&D, but I would occasionaly use them in the games. The local shop used to allow everyone to pile in on matches for shits and giggles. That's when being the guy with the Emperor Dragon paid off.

>> No.46790950

>>46778504
12 inch range small blast radius, str4 ("Smite")

>> No.46790980

>>46790730
I remember walking into a GW store in a mall and demoi ng the WHFB 3rd? Edition set, knights vs lizardmen, with my friend. 5 knights and 10 bowmen vs 10 saurus and 10 skinks. We ended up playing the demo for an hour, doing it again and again. We both wanted knights, but I went with lizards because the box art was cooler. Spent $27 dollars (which was then a lot of money to a kid) on 3 starter sets worth of lizardmen at an auction. That same store also cracked open a 40k starter for me, removing the dark Eldar (the old sculpts) for tyranids. Two boxes of gaunt and 3 metal warriors. We played for 6 months before my friend moved away. So many fun weekends at that store, having fun with the game, rules optional.

>> No.46791016

>>46790014

Underrated post

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>>46789974
>FW will never make that style missile launcher
>will make pic related

No justice, no peace.

>> No.46791055

>>46781198
Is that why all the art always showed titans and shit?

>> No.46791151

>>46791055

It has, but even when Armorcast and then Forge World started making large models, you wouldn't expect to field them like you do now.

The artwork has always portrayed grander engagements than you will ever see on a regular tabletop.

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>>46787801
I know brother, I spent all day yesterday looking, hopefully more will show up for us, I'm sure the Emperor wills it!

>> No.46791339

Rudgie was too good for this gay earth.

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>>46788757

That sounds so effing amazing. God damn I wish that FFG would pick up Necromunda and BFG and Gorkamorka. or someone.

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>>46791020
The days, when the cringe was real...

>> No.46791503

>>46777149
>>46784335
>>46788481

2nd Ed was awesome!! I loved it. Shooting was modified by cover (you would get a -1 or -2... maybe even -3 to your roll depending on your line of site to target)
AP didnt negate your roll, just added modefiers (I think las canons gave a -6 or -5 modifier.. but my 2+ on 2d6 Khorn Termies laughed at them)
Bloodthirsters were crazy powerful
There were AWESOME rules for summoning demons including sacrificing a character to be possessed by them.
Vehicles had a damage table per side of the vehicle and made some crazy shit happen.
Bikes were vehicles and when damaged had the chance to veer off course and ram other vehicles (usually other bikes in their squad), which in turn would ram other vehicles. It was hillarious.
Dreadnoughts were actually scary, both in combat and out of.
Assault cannons were awesome. They had the chance to shoot up to 9 times in a turn, or jam and explode (dice similar to those in spacehulk were used).
Weapon profiles were shared by all races. Not EVERY weapon, but most basics (boltguns, plasma guns, rocket launchers, etc).

Was fun times indeed. I'd love for it to come back.

>> No.46791595

>>46780019
Destroyer was pretty awesome. Rhinos with Defrollas felt great

>> No.46791696

>>46791151
>part of a larger battle.jpg

>> No.46791704

>>46780771

I miss Squats.....

>> No.46791758

>>46780969
>Rogue Trader
>less grim dark

Confirmed for never reading the fluff.

>> No.46791773

>>46791696

I don't exactly get your point.

The rules not being suited to these big new plastic kits has little to do with the artwork.

And the artwork, well, they're going to portray the exciting bits aren't they? They'd rather show a grand battle on the cover with Titans and stuff, instead of some rearguard action on muddy planet #542b

>> No.46791791

>>46791758
Just as dark, but played for laughs.

>> No.46791825

>>46791758

No. It was definitely more light-hearted, even if the tone was more adult-rated than now. People still had lives and the Imperium seemed more chaotic instead of the dimly-lit serfdom it's shown as now.

Now it's kiddy-safe but grimmer.

>> No.46792064

>>46789813
Can newcrons become possessed as well?

>> No.46792353

>>46788757
>Half your gang shows up randomly every game due to old battle wounds

I always had a ton of juves on the roster because i had such bad luck on those rolls. One ganger only fought once, in the first game he got old battle wounds then failed every roll and never showed up again.

I still remember the time my heavy spent 3 turns climbing a tower, then downed 4 guys on his first round of shooting

>> No.46792631

>>46786088
Then there were those RT days when the Ork Dread with stacked Power Fields took your entire army to kill. MAYBE.

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>>46777149
I remember playing that with my brothers and dad after my bigger brother got it for his birthday
>me dad and big brother playing as orks
>bigger brother playing as BA and IG
>painting the minis while watching Bottom on TV

good times. My bigger brothers friend had a shit tonne of oldhammer. Epic, Space Hulk and Space Crusade, 40k, necromunda, mordheim, FB and not just like one army for each. My brother would take his valhallans and BA round but his friend would always cheat with a BS move then "Its in the rules but I cant find it" then my brother got the leman russ and there was a rule sheet out of WD. He wiped the floor with his friend every game to the point his friend was trying to implement a no LR rules

Also we found this guy the other day

>> No.46793182

>>46792647
>watching Bottom while painting
patrician tier taste anon

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>>46793182
thanks friend

>> No.46793391

>>46791773
>I don't exactly get your point.

The old argument that 40k battles are part of a larger battle happening just outside of the table?

>> No.46793660

>>46791468
Go fuck yourself, sempai; my 3rd edition SM army had a squad of those crazy slashed scouts converted into snipers. Great praise were heaped upon their names for their kills.

>> No.46793667

>>46780771
That 2nd ed wargear book blew my mind when I was younger, so much cool fluff and so many interesting weapons.

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>>46793361
>>46793182

tfw being born in Kidderminster knowing you'll never be the rightful Duke.

>> No.46793709

>>46793660
>Scouts will never again have puffy sleeves

>> No.46793832

>>46793709
You could always buy some historical Landsknecht plastics and use the arms.

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>>46793686
>tfw you remember Rik Mayall is dead

>> No.46794093

>>46780112
I got a gretchin helmet spike lodged in my wrist

It was gaming for men in those days, fuck your soft plastic give me scars and lead poisoning


>I miss second edition

>> No.46794173

>>46788933
It's cultural approbation at its finest

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>“The appetite for new games just disappeared,” he said.

>“But I have to say that this was not due to the concept being wrong, I think it was due to them not having the sophistication to manage the stock or manage the new sales divisions that had been created.

>“The studio, the creative part of Games Workshop, had always been kept apart from the sales part of it. One thing Bryan said was that if the sales people got to be in charge of the studio, it would destroy the studio, and that’s exactly what happened.”


The prophecy has come true.

>> No.46794253

>>46793832
>putting proper scaled human arms on a heroic scale space marine

I bet even Empire arms would not be big enough for Marines.

>> No.46794473

Does anyone remembers the tyranid hivemind table that could fuck you up even before the game started, with chestbusters in your units and the like ? I've never been able to find it again.

>>46788793
RIP White Dwarf, you were good until the new armies began to systematically roflstomp their opponent in their introducing battle report.

>> No.46794569

>>46794205
what pisses me off is that he is not given the credit that is due. He made 40k for fucks sake and this is how they pay him? By being assholes to him? And have some fat ass sociopath neckbeard change his fluff for his own amusement?

Changing the name of space sharks to carcharodons was authist level and a disrespect to Rouge Trader.

>> No.46795279

>>46794205
the sadness in his eyes

>> No.46795650

>>46777891
IIRC They were "Ignores armor save" from 3rd to 5th.
RT and 2nd had armor save modifiers. Power Sword in RT had -1 and Power Axe -3.

>> No.46795846

>>46777149

>>>/s4s/4351457

post beakies.

>> No.46795931

>>46789207
thudd guns are still a thing, luckily, because Krieg keeps using outdated guns.

>> No.46796062

>>46794205
Imagine a world where Rick Priestley and Andy Chambers returned and took charge of new editions of 40k an WHFB, retconning all this age of Sigmar sillyness and spinning it off into it's own alt universe where it can slowly fade into obscurity?

>> No.46796226

>>46796062
>Imagine a world where Rick Priestley and Andy Chambers returned and took charge of new editions of 40k an WHFB, retconning all this age of Sigmar sillyness and spinning it off into it's own alt universe where it can slowly fade into obscurity?

Impossible. They don't care about selling £100 plastic kits that cost about £5 to make.

>> No.46796379

>>46796226
Has anyone ever figured out exactly how much it costs GW to make a single box of generic units like tactical squads or boyz? I mean, it's clear to anyone that it's supremely overpriced, but by how much is it actually marked up?

>> No.46796529

>>46796379
Impossible to tell really due to economies of scale, it'd take knowing their production run sizes, what they pay for tooling, equipment, running time, compared to packaging and distribution costs, general rent and staffing costs and the like it's gotta be weighted against too if you're going to be accurate.

You're really not gonna be seeing those numbers unless you're in the relevant department of the company itself.

Suffice to say, actual profit seems to be 'about enough' given GW's overall decent if not spectacular (well, they are if we consider them a wargames company but not that spectacular compared to actual model companies) profits vs lack of debts and so on.

>> No.46796560

>>46796379
>Has anyone ever figured out exactly how much it costs GW to make a single box of generic units like tactical squads or boyz? I mean, it's clear to anyone that it's supremely overpriced, but by how much is it actually marked up?

Pretty hard to actually calculate. The main costs are at the back end (R&D, mould tooling, running a plastics factory etc). Smaller manufacturers than GW can produce high quality plastics for much more reasonable prices (without the huge scale of distribution GW can use to offset their backend costs), see the Frostgrave cultists for example.

>> No.46797259

Remember when you could detach IG heavy weapons teams instead of dragging them around like a bunch of twats OR fire them but not both?


Good times.

>> No.46797463

>>46796560
Hell look at the Gripping Beast or Perry, 40 multi part guys with lots of options for the price of 16 WHFB infantry.

>> No.46797515

>>46796379
This is the only known effort in the history of ever:

http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/roarseconomics.html

>> No.46797567

>>46797515
I think his math is way off from the beginning where he makes the assumption that GW pays design staff $54k, that's about £35k (£10k more than the national average wage) and by all accounts GW barely pays their employees enough to live on.

>> No.46797635

40k was never good. I got into right before 3rd was released, and quit in the early 2000s.

The only appeal has ever been the models and settings.

>> No.46797654

>>46797567
Just to add that I happen to know they tool their own moulds in house which significantly reduces the cost.

>> No.46797726

>>46797515
He cites a $3 per box packaging value when buying 1000 boxes and then goes with that value. Like GW is producing as low a run as 1000 of anything that requires injection moulding.

>> No.46797735

Codex's with massive armory/customization options. Everything is so ****ing cookie cutter now I can't stand it.

Specialist games. Gorkamorka, Necromunda, Battlefleet Gothic, Mordheim...oh, emperor I miss Mordheim.

Rules and options that encouraged customization, kit bashing, and scratch building. Now every army option is limited by what models GW decides to make, and not what was once freely available. I curse chapter house to this day for that very reason.

>> No.46797806

>>46779430
Rouge? It was like a dark orange but with less yellow.

>> No.46797812

FUCKING PRE MEASURING.

What kind of kiddie friendly bullshit is this. In the good old days you had to make a gut decision and go with it.

>> No.46797994

>>46797635
There is a difference between awful convoluted mess and good enough to get by though.

It was better suited to the model scale and less ridiculously unbalanced back then.

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>>46797812
>FUCKING PRE MEASURING.
Lords but I was grand as range estimation. I played an artillery-heavy Guard army, and then tried my hand at IW both back when you had to guess templates, and for some reason my scatter die never seemed to. My opponents truly feared the might of steel that were my cannons, and my lowly infantry sheltered in cover, content to wait for the barrages to cease before rushing out to mop up the remainder of pinned enemies. I became so good at guessing quickly, that eventually I stopped playing those lists so I could have a challenge.

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>>46794205

>> No.46798287

>>46798172
It was honestly better that way. Pre measuring just removes yet another element of generalship from the game. Modern 40k is basically on autopilot.

>> No.46798288

>>46797812
>age of high tech targeters, scanners and rangefinders
>realize too late that the enemy unit was too far, so they'll just sit there and do nothing instead

>> No.46798321

>>46798288
The assumption was always that they either shot off a volley that never reached, or failed their assault and pulled back. Also most races don't really have that much by way of targeting equipment other than the Tau.

>> No.46798326

>>46788824

I remember one group of players fought off a daemon prince. Thing had ridiculous stats, and chewed through every single model on the field, but they whittled him down enough so the last surviving ganger scored the killing blow before succumbing to his injuries.

>> No.46798352

>>46790124

And the occasional space cactus.

>> No.46798355
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Warscythes and C'tan which allowed no saves.

Good times.

>> No.46798389
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As a 40k oldfag, one of the worst things for me was changing the nature of the IG so drastically. I can't even recognize the modern codex. Adding Inquisitorial lists was terrible, letting you take the coolest parts from a Guard force, mix it with power armor, and not have the downsides of the IG list. Also, the allies rules pissed all over the humble T3 Guardsman.

All the fluff got fucked.

Space Marines don't get battlecannons. They are light surgical strike and breaching specialists mixing Special Forces and Marines. They establish beachheads then piss off to new fights while the Guard consolidate and hold and fight guerrilla insurgents and shit.

IG don't get flyers or power armor. They are the dime-a-dozen grunts, expendable, slow, but numerous and backed up by big friends.

>> No.46798392

Can't GW become an actual model or toy company? It seems like that would be more profitable than selling overpriced miniatures for their wargames

>> No.46798458

>>46777149
The Calth Box was something done right but otherwise...

>> No.46798462

>>46798326
Glorious. My Escher gang leader was nicknamed Rubbermaid, because she acquired several OBWs and bionics. You could knock her down, but she'd pop back up.

I miss the campaign system. Where each game mattered, and if you got your shit packed in, you lost territory and maybe some fighters died or became too beat up to fight, but you kept them around to work your settlements, or sold them off as slaves or body parts...

>> No.46798463

>>46798392
>Can't GW become an actual model or toy company?

That's their official stance. That's how they justify the prices of the figures. They're sold as collectibles.

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>>46798463
>They're sold as collectibles.
Clicky 40K when?

>> No.46798504

>>46798389
You really have a problem with Guard having the future equivalent of a Huey/Cobra?

>> No.46798516

>>46798321
>shot off a volley that never reached

Then you should roll Gets Hot! and scratch off One Use Only weapons.

>pulled back

Failed assaults should just move their distance and be left in the open.

>most races don't really have that much by way of targeting equipment

All races have all manner of HUDs, scopes, scanners, etc. And you'd think after some fighting you'd have some idea about the ranges you'd be able to fire at reliably.

>> No.46798570

>>46798389
>Inquisitorial lists
>allies
>marines with battle cannons
>guard other than fodder

Is this 3e?

>> No.46798576

>>46798504
In theory, no. On the table, eh. I liked them as heavy support, or one-off choices, but then came the drop troops lists packed full.

>> No.46798610

>>46798516
>All races have all manner of HUDs, scopes, scanners, etc. And you'd think after some fighting you'd have some idea about the ranges you'd be able to fire at reliably.

Just as much of an idea as newfaggot generals like yourself should have of a distance in inches in a standardised size tabletop :^)

>> No.46798656

>>46780922
I love how every single marine there could be the posterchild for Derp.

>> No.46798740

>>46784335
>space marine army of 100% plasma devastators

This made me laugh way more than I think it should. I might have to try this list one day.

>> No.46798830

>>46798463
Problem is their ranges are also obviously based around what they think they can sell for the game. No idea why they feel the need to be so dishonest.

If they were actually a model company they would keep selling the WHFB stuff so people can use it in other games.

>>46798576
I thought you meant from a fluff perspective, my bad. I agree 28mm is the wrong scale for flyers.

>> No.46798857

>>46798504
Not him but it's really something that should be left to Epic.

Epic is where that high mobility low durability shit goes to shine, like massed bike/jetbike formations (outside of that recent list of rage inducing I have witnessed they have classically been mediocre), sentinel squadrons, land speeder squadrons, all that stuff just worked better in Epic where their high movement speed meant something useful, and htey had the room to use it.

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>>46798857
Epic was awesome. I had AT, Epic Space Marine, and most of the expansions for it, but the models sucked. Then GW dropped Epic Armageddon on us, with all new detailed models based on the (then) newest 40k designs. Each issue of WD was filled with tiny green orks and bright yellow Imperial Fists fighting company-level battles over some desert world.

>> No.46799135

>>46781022
>Will be lost in time, like tears in the rain
>time to die

>> No.46799895
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>>46798355
>C'tan being the material universe's equivalent of the Chaos Gods instead of pokemon

>> No.46799996

>>46788824
>Massive xp and rewards
>all gangs would be retired
This makes no sense. What's the point in having 'massive xp and rewards' if you're just going to toss the roster immediately afterwards?

>> No.46800401

>>46779495
I remember that
i'm still mad

>> No.46800472

>>46779495
>It had 20 models and enough special and heavy weapons for them.

Nice lies. Cadian box came with 4 flamers and 4 grenade launchers, Catachan box came with 4 flamers. Heavy weapons were bought separate. Other special weapons were metal blisters.

>> No.46800485

>>46779495
>and enough special and heavy weapons for them
you mean just flamers and grenade launchers. You had to bum plasma guns and melta guns off of other kits or buy the metal blister.

catachans were even worse off, since they only got flamers

>> No.46800541

>>46798352
you mean these green balls with the red painted cocktail sticks inthem? Oh good. NOOOO

And of course cardboard buildings who crumbled after 6 setup-ups, combined with metal models

>> No.46800810

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkNMnfbMMpQ

>> No.46801033
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>>46799996
Because you can hire old gangers to your new rosters if you like them and feel like paying the cost.

>> No.46801121

>>46797812
of all things to bitch about

>> No.46801164

>>46798516
this
why don't failed assaults leave your guys in the open? I never understood that

>> No.46801887

>>46801164
yeah assault really needs to be nerfed, fucking berzerker cheese everywhere

>> No.46802034

>>46801887
Well, if your forced to fire your guns at a target you can't reach, then you should be forced to move even if you can't reach the target you were trying to reach.

Why are dudes unable to judge or use various instruments to determine if a unit is within range, or if its not, pick another target that is, but dudes who run out of cover, across the field, then realize they can't reach the target in time, able to just turn back and run back into cover? If the target is 12" away and you charge 9", how the fuck are you able to stop, turn, and run another 9" back into cover, but not able to continue running for another 3" to reach the target? 18 is more than 12.

>> No.46802084

>>46802034
Bullets are scary.

>> No.46802136

>>46801121
pre-measuring is for casuals

>> No.46802270

>>46786408
This + Eye of Terror

Kids these days won't remember the glory of fighting the battles that decimated the Agripinaa system and caused St. Josmane's Hope to detonate its plasma reactors in a suicidal self-exterminatus due to Grandfather Nurgle's plague of unbelief.

GLORY DAYS MEN, LET THE GALAXY FUCKING BURN

>> No.46802284
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>>46790096
>polystyrene hills
>lovingly crafted cardboard ruins
>goblin green bases

This was my army for AOP in 2014.

>> No.46802406

>>46802270
I MISS IT SO MUCH

>> No.46802447
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>>46794473
>Does anyone remembers the tyranid hivemind table that could fuck you up even before the game started, with chestbusters in your units and the like ? I've never been able to find it again.

Jones is acting ... strangely!

Tyranid players rolled on a chart that appeared in their codex instead of getting Strategy Cards like everybody else.

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>>46781024

No, have some REAL old DAs. I come from a time when they were still BLACK.

My laziness at repainting is why I went Space Wolves for the next squad I did after that. Seen my buds and I used to buy the 30 pack of Beakies, split them up, and take turns keeping the heavy weapons.

>> No.46803419

>>46788464
>possessed

Ah yes, the halcyon days before Possessed Chaos Astartes had all decent stats deleted by Thorpe & Co (presumably so that no one would ever again be tempted to buy the models).

Worked a treat, too.

>> No.46803499

>>46791151

Shit, I remember when all the "make your own Baneblade" patterns were in White Dwarf. Maybe after the wife has the kid and I'm not renovating the house, I'll build one to go with all my HH-painted shit.

>> No.46803577
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>>46788520
>2nd edition is the best

Nah, it was one of GW's biggest deforestation projects. I was glad to see the last of the piles of books and multiple decks of cards and ring binders full of book-keeping notes.

3rd ed hit the sweet spot for me, but YMMV.

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>>46798172
>cartridge belt
>in magazine well
>of lasgun

[TRIGGERED]

>> No.46804286

>>46789974
muh truskale

>> No.46804290

> came into 40k when finecast came out
> Finecast was not good
> one of the bro tier veterans sees the awful air bubbles on my hq model
> gives me a pewter one
> told of days of old when pewter was everywhere
> told of days when game was not as serious
> shown old catalog
> It had some sexy and goofy models I needed to have
> guy has a shit ton of old fantasy and the 40k models models I wanted
> sells them to me for super cheap
He vanished shortly after age of sigmar

>> No.46804324

>>46804286
I honestly hate fat scale.

>> No.46804338

>>46804290
>He vanished shortly after age of sigmar
W-was this guy a spiritual manifestation of WHFB?

>> No.46804364
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>>46801121

It's the principle of unnecessary change - like exchanging printed army lists. That was a fucking sacrament in the day:

Both sides fought hard and shared laughs and groans over dice rolls and then, only AFTER the dust had settled, you exchanged your written lists and figured out what had gone right/ wrong that day.

Some guys lists were fucking works of art in their own right with multiple fonts, background graphics and marginal scrollwork, etc and made you want to improve the look of your own lists. Good times.

I feel bad for the Army Builder/ mobile generation.

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46804367

In order of bullshit:
Eldar were awesome
Then csm were awesome
Then space wolves
Then grey knights
Space marines were good the whole time.

Then sixth and seventh balanced shit out. Do not believe the hype, seventh is pretty awesome.

>> No.46804407

>>46804338
God man the guy was devastated by it and we all miss him so much I hope he's ok.

>> No.46804410
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>>46802136
loved guess weapons, playing with and against was just alot of fun. i was pretty good at guess, but my friend was a carpenter who played orcs and goblins and you had to pray for scatter when he used rockthrowers
>>i'm going to say thirty-seven and two fifths of an inch-him
>>welp, thats landing directly on morathi-me
every goddamn time, still fun as hell

>> No.46804452

>>46804099
>>cartridge belt
>>in magazine well
>>of lasgun
It becomes an autogun. Just add boolits.
I used these for 40hammer veterans and Necromunda Hive security forces.

>> No.46804463

>>46804410
>tfw they nerfed nova cannons because people were too good at guessing ranges

>> No.46804536
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>>46804410
One of my favorite guess-range shots was a basilisk at 120" on a 2-table group event. My ally had a Marine squad on some key terrain, but was in danger of getting wiped out by a deep-striking assault termie squad. We talked it over, agreed to try the shot. BAM! 120" exactly to the center of the termie squad!


The dice gods give, the dice gods take. Unfortunately they gave me the range, but took accuracy. 6" deviation straight into the center of my ally's squad, wiping out all but 2.

>> No.46804700

>>46778192
They had their regular human canines surgically replaced with big fucking canines as an initiation right when they became full marines. This kind of surgical modification was considered common for many chapters, whom had their own different forms of it.

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>>46804700
Are you talking about the great Imperial general Leman Russ?

>> No.46805024

>>46802284
Lovely.

>> No.46805037

>Walk into GW.
>You want to play Epic? Blood Bowl? Warhammer Quest? Necromunda? Warhammer? Warhammer 40k? Space Hulk?
>Metal, Metal EVERYWHERE.
>White Dwarf seemed to come every week with free miniatures or cardboard scenery.
>£10 will buy you a squad of all metal miniatures with heavy weapons team (£16 by todays money)
>Everything has green bases and red weapons.

Shit was pretty cool.

>> No.46805074

I seem to remember somehow blowing up a predator with a las pistol. I'm not sure we were playing the rules properly, but it sure was fun!

>> No.46805097

>>46781183
I fucking miss banner poles.

>> No.46805110

Oh God, the wargear options. Not balanced at all, but fuck it if it wasn't fun to start lobbing vortex grenades everywhere.

>> No.46805148

>>46789349
It's one of the reasons why I love Frostgrave so much.

>> No.46805233
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>>46804986
What book is that? Because in the very first RT rulebook, Space Wolves were a regular marine chapter (they did the "Typical Fortress Monestary of a Space Marine Chapter" on the Space Wolves), and by Compilation (still 1E), Russ was one of the 20 Primarchs etc. etc.

Of course, chaos was inserted somewhere between WH:RT and Compilation, so there's always a chance that slipped in somewhere as well.

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>>46805037
>Everything has green bases and red weapons.

Sometimes, it still does.

>> No.46805312

>>46788933

I like to think they just ran the spray can over the tau suits and the kroot were just sitting there munching away like dumb cattle and ended up that way.

Not like you can wash that shit off.

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>>46805233
>What book is that?
>referring to >>46804986

It's one of Wil Rees's illustrations from Rogue Trader. Specifically, from page 27.

>Because in the very first RT rulebook, Space Wolves were a regular marine chapter (they did the "Typical Fortress Monestary of a Space Marine Chapter" on the Space Wolves), and by Compilation (still 1E), Russ was one of the 20 Primarchs etc. etc.

Are you forgetting Chapter Approved, the [first] Book of the Astronomican? The Space Wolves were on the fucking cover!

>> No.46805373

>>46805338
>tfw I was literally in going through Book of the Astronomicon, in the Wolf Time campaign, when you posted

>> No.46805427

>>46804986
You mean, Leman "Don't startle me, I have terrible Asthma" Russ?

>> No.46805442

>>46790096

Yeah, I feel like everything looked way nicer and cleaner back then. Like the models look pretty. The terrain is 100% crafted and not just the same plastic thing plopped down on the same realm of battle board. It hurts so much.

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>>46805338
That's not on page 27, btw.

>> No.46805450

>>46789915
>Heroquest, Warhammer Quest

Fuck and yes!

Played the ever loving fuck out of Warhammer Quest and have 0 regrets.

>> No.46805511

>>46805446
he was talking about the main RT book with the first part of his post

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Anyone have any pics of their old guard? Before they became just plastic Cadian hordes? Praetorians and Mordians were da bes

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>>46805511
D'oh!

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>>46805338
>Are you forgetting Chapter Approved, the [first] Book of the Astronomican? The Space Wolves were on the fucking cover!
Didn't forget, but Russ himself isn't mentioned in it like he is in Compilation.

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>> No.46806976

>>46804536
Hahaha, also nice terrain guy.

>> No.46807103

>>46805446
C-could you upload the rest, anon?

>> No.46807149

I guess if that were true

>> No.46807201

>>46807103
Of what? The book? The campaign? The unit sheets?

>> No.46807481

>>46789413
congratulations. you have said the dumbest thing on the internet today. maybe even this week.

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>>46805545
>D'oh!

"I'm sorry, Mr. Burns,. but I don't go in for those kind of back-door shenanigans!"

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>>46786408
I remember walking into a GW a little while before the codex after this came out. You know, "Let no good deed go unpunished"? That codex was on the horizon. I had heard some dreadful rumors. The GW staff offered to let me take a peak.

I did.
Gone was my glorious siege themed infantry.
Gone were my Veteran Skill upgrades.
Gone were my Chaos Warhounds as a character option.
Gone was my "Sinsiter Six!" Terminator Champion squad, each with amusing unique wargear and costing more than most armies do.
Replacing the, a bland list of "renegades" who inexplicably still use Heresy gear, have multiple Daemon Princes and the Lash of Submission as the best psychic power ever.
True, my darling Iron Warriors were cheese (I wouldn't know, I didn't have obliterators and my regular opponents were Tyranids at their height), but did they truly deserve... *that*?
Someday, we shall return. Someday the Legions will have their revenge.


Someday.

>> No.46808023

Anyone remember the little flavor brochures that had cool little generic sci-fi stories about Space Marines and Space Orks that game stores gave out back around 2nd E.?

>> No.46808693

>>46778430
5th was closer to 3/4 than 6, but it held the first signs of later eras.

>> No.46808847

>>46779704
>his rules were actually excellent.
>started playing in 5th
We can tell. Golden age varies depending on whom you ask, though I'd say late 3, early 4.

>> No.46809173

>>46801121
pre measuring is for entitled little millennial cry babies

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>>46780771

>> No.46809541

>>46807931
>Gone were my Veteran Skill upgrades.

God I remember these. They were wonderful and fluffy. What the fuck is up with GW.

>> No.46810246

If you were to play using the 4e rules, which codex for which factions would be best to use?
3.5 obviously for chaos, but what about the rest?

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>So, I must have been ten or so. Been snuffing plastic glue for years from airfix kits. Never glued on the wing canons, or any of the pointy bits, and painted them terribly.

>One day we noticed that a picture frame shop in the village had tiny model soldiers for sale. We pooled our pocket money and bought awful monopose shaven that we painted garish Acrylic. We wrote some terrible army lists and bought the 5th edition WHFB boxed set. If we were lucky we could get dropped into the city and weekends to be baby sat, where we learnt of 3rd Edition 40k, of Mordheim and the Apocalypse campaign. We played Gothic there, but never bought anything. Later 6th Edition fantasy happened, which was good.

>Once we were in Nottingham and begged to go to Warhammer world. We knew everything in the museum by heart, and came away with a crate of old 90s White Dwarfs, with games like Barroom Brawling Orks in them.

>Eventually we moved away. I discovered girls and sport. If it hadn't been for old Games Workshop, or Commando Comics or Airfix, I'd be a very different person. Perhaps better socially adjusted, but probably not as happy.

Mfw I'm one of the brats who caused GW's bubble and killed the hobby. I'm sorry Fat bloke! I'm sorry Wolfman!

>> No.46810729

>>46777149
I entered playing for Oldcrons, when their 3rd edition codex struck, because I felt their fluff was awesome, even if their codex was terribly weak. I quit as soon as Newcrones arrived. Never looked back.

>> No.46810732

Collecting silver skulls with every £20? purchase.

You had a little book which you stuck them in and you'd actually get stuff for them like a special edition space marine standard bearer.

>> No.46810896

>>46810732
I don't understand why they haven't brought this program back. You could have the figures only available for a finite time period which would encourage people to buy even more plastic shit. It would cost them pennies (in the grand scheme of things) to implement.

>> No.46811819

>>46802284
Where's your death company lads?

No BA force is complete without a bunch of gibbering crazies in black power armor.

>> No.46811877

>>46807931
Iron Warriors were easily the funnest chaos legion to play. The basilisk shenanigans guaranteed a disaster at least once a game.

>> No.46811885

>>46786408
Wow the difference between this and 4E codex is crazy. I had a look for nostalgia sake. I now remember why I gave up on collecting some Chaos stuff.
Mark of Khorne in 3.5E: 7 rules one of which is +1 attacks.
Mark of Khorne in 4E: +1 attacks.

>> No.46811931

>>46811885
The 4E Codex was in the beginning of the dumbing down period. The 3.5E Codex allowed far too many intangible upgrades (that were worth taking) that could use up valuable points in your list that GW could otherwise be selling you models for.

>> No.46811978

>>46792064
No.

>> No.46812006

>>46799895
They still are. A small shard of the Void Dragon leveled a dozen world's.

At least it now makes sense that these godlike hyper-powerful deities can't be killed by a Titan or something.

>> No.46812760

>>46811931
They used to sell us bitz for conversions instead.

>> No.46812801

>>46812760
So many good memories of poring over giant mail order catalogues in the GW store on a warm summers day.

>> No.46812934

>>46812801
This. Every little piece could be ordered individually.

>> No.46813275

>>46810896

Because they honestly have no idea how to run a business. They're a game company who think they're a model company selling collectibles, and that's the saddest thing. That's why all AoS models are so crazy-looking, huge and expensive.

40k kinda died for me as a game the other day I went on and saw the new Imperial Knight board game for $120+

>> No.46813326

>>46813275
This. It happens to all things. What >>46794205 said is absolute truth. Happened to Hollywood, happened to music, happening to Computer games.

At least we have the imagination and drive to create and enjoy our own fun. The fact that we are able to enjoy ourselves without having to navigate a price tag must make the suits livid.

GW had fantastic, creative settings that encouraged people to fully take part and contribute their own works to them. It's been squeezed dry and is now but a husk.

>> No.46813385

>>46806044
This page oozes turtleneck sweaters, big glasses and outdated hairstyles.

>>46802447
Oh, that's the one, thanks.

>> No.46813482

>>46813326

Oh, yeah, I had read that exact same article. I loved that article. Rick was a cool dude, he really was.

And I kinda see it the same way, yeah. To be honest, I do not play 40k anymore, maybe rarely. The only TT game I've played in the past few months was warmahordes, and before that I played a short campaign of Mordheim a couple years ago. I'm mostly really into the RPG lines, we're about to start up Only War and Dark Heresy and eventually Fantasy, hopefully they're fun

>> No.46814663

>>46813275
doesn't the new director call them the "ferrari" of the minis biz?

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