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Dorn, Rogal Dorn Edition
Fortified, not Decimated Sub-Edition
OP's tired so this recap isn't going to be great. Memes and arguing about the megadakka. We found out which actor should play Dorn. Bunnies and more! Old thread I'm so sorry for this horrid recap that's better than some of the current codices >>46567499
>Moving up the Red Book links so people won't miss them:
>http://www2.zippyshare.com/v/s15Jqk1t/file.html
>https://mega.nz/#!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg
>HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/8aqx9j3a8erqv8d/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_6_-_Retribution.pdf or
>https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkat.cr%2Fthe-horus-heresy-book-6-retribution-pdf-t12199249.html
>HHG FAQ - http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
>Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
>Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
>HH Rules:
>Crusade Army List: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1lprm5vd99yafa3/
>Isstvan Campaign Legions: http://www.mediafire.com/download/deadtdf0y47k59k/
>Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
>30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
>30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): https://kat.cr/usearch/%22Forge%20World%22%20heresy%20user:epistolary/
>30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
Also the Emperor's name is Urist.

>> No.46584049
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Working on rebasing some Iron Warriors tacs. Love the new 30mms, cannibalised some from BaC for these guys. Also first for best Legion

>> No.46584050

Where are the rule for tartarus pattern armor?

>> No.46584052
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First for Alpharius.

>> No.46584054

>>46583979

Should Horus Heresy armies be made for the fluff or made to win? Do you want an army that fits the theme of 30k and your Legion or one that you can use to defeat any opponent you play against?

>> No.46584071

>>46584050
2+ / 5++ save, Bulky, Relentless.
Models in Tartarus pattern armour may make Sweeping Advances in combat unlike other patterns of Terminator armour. If a model with Tartarus pattern armour is joined by a character equipped with a different pattern of Terminator armour or vice versa, this ability is lost.

>> No.46584074

>>46584054
>should HH armies fit their fucking background
>or just be OP bullshit so we can have meta as fucked as 40k's

>> No.46584089
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>>46584049
Fug, forgot to resize. Sorry y'all. Here's my completed stuff so far to make up for it.

>> No.46584092

>>46584054
If you think about building your list properly and learn to use the tactics of your legion to good effect, doing both at once should be perfectly possible.

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>>46584052
Did he really get killed by Smurfman post-heresy? I mean, if Omegon really took over and Omegon is actually loyalist, shouldn't there be some kind of special CSM rules or at least fluff to mirror that progression?

But then again:
>GW in charge of advancing factions story wise

>> No.46584147

>>46584115
At this point, we don't have enough information, which is basically standard when it comes to AL.
It's a little frustrating sometimes to have the super-sneaky loyal-traitor Legion as your choice, because it's so hard to figure out what the hell is going on with them at any point.

>> No.46584206

>>46584049
Iron Within, Iron Without brother!

>> No.46584247

>>46584049
>>46584089
Too low effort for me personally. As a paintfag, assembling before painting is heresy in my eyes anyway.

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> Fist get nerfed while other legions get buffed
> Fist players on suicide watch

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46584264

I sort of want to equip my Iron Warriors with shovels from IG kits, I got the idea from Storm of Iron. Would these be ok to represent additional ccb weapons?

The image of an iron warrior smashing someone with a shovel is too good.

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>>46584254
>mfw I stopped playing years ago, and I'm only in it for the fluff.

>> No.46584310

>>46584254
What's the nerf there?

>> No.46584318
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>>46584254
Do not worry brother, when the skies turn dark and the enemies close all around you will get the buffs you need.

Also we won

>> No.46584336

>>46584247
What would be a way I could improve?

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>>46584318
>mfw you can't nerf those that are loyal

>> No.46584484

How popular each Legions are in /HHg/? Care to share your allegeance you guys?

> Legion
> Loyalist/Traitor
> Points estimate

>> No.46584535

>>46584484
Alpha Legion
Traitor (but secretly loyalist, I think?)
2000 points planned/bought, theoretically capable up to 2500.

>> No.46584551
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>>46584423

>> No.46584561

>>46584551

Fucking saved.

>> No.46584569

>>46584484

Thousand Sons
Traitor
About 10,000 points including allied Mechanicum, but none of it built.

>> No.46584580

>>46584115
Eskrador never happened, its fiction planted by the AL into the annals of the UM.

>> No.46584589

>>46584484
Iron Warriors/Alpha Legion/Sons of Horus
TRAITOR TRAITOR TRAITOR
2,5k/1,5k/1k

>> No.46584630

>>46584484
>Ad Mech, Night Lords
>Loyalist, /AFK Traitor
>Embarrasing, 3-4k?

>> No.46584637

>>46584484
Iron Hands/Night Lords/Thousand Sons/Dark Angels
Loyal/Traitor/Traitor/THE MOST LOYAL OF ALL THE EMPEROR'S LEGIONS
3000/2000/1500/750

>> No.46584641

>>46584254
Thats it? Its fucking nothing, hell I think its a buff now my units ignore pinning instead of the crappy stubborn.

Eat BS5 bolter fire motherfucker.

>> No.46584650

>>46584484
Raven Guard, Ashen Claw/Rando Blackshields, Knights

Loyalist, Renegade, Renegade

6k~, 4k~, 1.2k~

>> No.46584699

Anyone have experience with running or fighting Blackshields yet?

>> No.46584756

>>46584484

Around 5000 points of Dark Mechanicum.
7000 if you include the allied cult horde I run.

>>46584699

Got my ass handed to me. Those 10 point toughness 5 marines are brutal.

>> No.46584801

>>46584484
Alpha Legion, Ultramarines, Word Bearers
Traitor, Loyalist, Traitor
2500, 3000, 3000.

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>>46584801
Loyalist Night Lords - 3000+
Questionable Dark Angels - 2500+
Traitor Cult Militia - 1500
Traitor Dark Mech - 1000
and I want MORE !!!

>> No.46585274

>>46584484
RG Loyalist
1500pts just starting

>> No.46585293

>>46585174
It's like an addiction, brother.

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omg forju wordu sempai!!!

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>>46584580

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>>46585359
>no dogs allowed

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>>46585359

This would be so much better if the course symbols were the actual symbols of the cults of Prospero. When Inferno comes out and we get those symbols you need to make a new version of this.

Also, when Inferno comes out, I hope we get rules for this handsome motherfucker.

>> No.46585595

>>46585504
>you
It's from forgeworld, off their facebook page.

>> No.46585601
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>reminder that the Death Guard are brits in space

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>>46585504
He looks gay lmao

>> No.46585630

>>46585595

Well they fucked up then, the Cult Symbols are not those.

>Corvidae: raven's head.
>Pyrae: scarlet phoenix.
>Pavoni: colourful feather
>Athanaeans: Unknown
>Raptora: Unknown

And they completely forgot that Biomancy is literally one of the most important cults on Prospero.

>> No.46585637

>>46585601

And not a single Legion comes from North America, South America, India or Australasia. More proof that GW are racist as shit.

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46585649

Continuing from yesterday, here's a quick idea for my knight colors, (attached to a Blood Angels fleet hence keeping one pad red).

The idea was a bronze skeleton and dark armor plates, e.g. in Coal Black with a blue tint. Starting to think it's not going to work out well though.

>> No.46585662

>>46584484
Word Bearers who did nothing wrong.
I've only got my Daemon allies done, working on my first HQ and troops choices atm.

>> No.46585666

>>46585637
Or in GWs original storyline those locations were bombed out of existence so thoroughly that there wasn't much to recruit people from.

>> No.46585692

>>46585649
Go for a darker bronze tone perhaps?
Making it look a little grimier, that might help pull it together a little more with the dark turquoise of the Coal Black.
Rather than providing a fairly extreme contrast.
Same for the silver, maybe give that a little bit of a blue wash?

>> No.46585699

>>46585666

Nice try Satan.

>> No.46585734

>>46585637
I think Iron Hands are from Texas. Don't know why I remember that or where.

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>>46585699
It was worth a try...

>> No.46585749

>>46585734

Iron Hands are also from England, as are the Night Lords. Because one small island has enough people to feed three entire Legions.

>> No.46586028

>>46585749

wholly depends on how Terra looked at that time. Assuming Growth trends persist from today till the 30th millennium, total pop would be anywhere in the 10 to 200bn people.
Now assuming that parts of the world are screwed to the point its unhabitable, means that that number needs to be housed on a significantly reduced area.
Hence, assuming that Britain is turned into a massive sized Hong kong, it would house 18BN people, which to me, seems like there would be enough material to get yourself sufficient recruits from.

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>>46585359
Ya'll niggas need affirmative action.

>> No.46586078

>>46585749
There's 80-200k marines in a Legion (unless you're TS), They could easily make all 20 Legions from the population of the London hive city alone.

I assume there is a massive hive city right where London is, that's exactly what GW would do.

>> No.46586144

>>46583979
alright /HHG/, i want to convert BaC intpo recon marines (no camo cloaks)
How should i source the rifles? i was thinking of putting a section of a Q-tip on the end of a bolter?

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>>46585734
Sorry for the low quality pic, but the Texas thing comes from the Iron Hands recruited from the former enemy bloc of "Solus Stellax" - Solus is latin for "lone", so that could easily be Texas

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>>46586144
Scopes and a tube to the end of it.

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since knight colors got mentioned, I also got a questoris knight color scheme idea.

ivory/cream armor with platinum trim and a gunmetal exoskel, or the same ivory armor with gunmetal trim and platinum exo?

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>>46586424
Something like Valdor Gold rather than a pure platinum actually.

>> No.46586539

>>46586195
but what to use for the tubes

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>>46586195
>>46586144
Buy some scout bolt pistols, cut off the bit and add a scout from the space marine box.

>> No.46586573

>>46586557
huh, good idea. cheers brah

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think these bayonets would look decent on calth bolters?

>> No.46586610

>>46586573
Glad I could help.

>> No.46586616

>>46585630
>Well they fucked up then,
Calm down onmisperg, its just a joke. That image won't appear in the next book.

>> No.46586622

>>46586557
If you just want a silencer or barrel extension you can use just about any plastic rod or thin metal tube. That's gotta be cheaper than getting a scout arm per gun just for the muzzle.

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>>46586597
It's rather long.

>> No.46586686

>>46586659
yeah thats what i figured. thanks

>> No.46586714

>>46586659
I thought that was meant to be a powerfist for a moment. It did seem a little on the small side.

>> No.46586751

>>46586714
I think its the Anvil shield arm.

I'd love some smaller power fists. I find the official ones to be almost ridiculously large at times.

>> No.46586794
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If I put a Vigilator in a tac veteran squad with sniper, does the Vigilator give the unit scout?

>> No.46586814

>>46586794
Yes it's in the rule book for fucks sake.

also that marine doesn't have a fused ribcage so 0/10 artwork

>> No.46586864

>>46586794
How the feth did he get his sniper rifle in between his pack and back like that? Magic.

>> No.46586874

>>46586864
Man, I thought it was just an antenna on his backpack. But yeah, there's a sling and all.

>> No.46586899

>>46586814
Thanks, I don't have the rulebook in front of me at the moment.

>> No.46586901

>>46586864
>>46586874
Turns out every single marine is a psyker with at least some very light skill in telekinesis.

That's why Mortarion was always so angry and spiteful. He knew his marines were equipping themselves with use of telekinesis, but they never did it in front of him and he could not prove anything.

>> No.46586907

>>46586864
space magic? That does look really weird now that you mention it... His gun is literally clipping through the shoulderpad there...

>> No.46586989

>>46586899
sorry for being buttmad at you anon I felt bad afterwards.

Also would it be that much of a bad idea to use vigilators to infiltrate power weapon furious charge veterans? You could get bonus cheese via move through cover

>> No.46587050

>>46586989
Vigilator: "Come men, follow meeee~~~~~"

>Veterans follow simply to see the Vigilator eat shit in the assault phase

>> No.46587091

>>46586989
It's alright.

I guess you could do that. Might as well give the Vigilator a power weapon as well.

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>>46583979
Holy shit, threadguy. How could you ignore Malobane and Horus Hogan? Or about Emperor Urist? Last time I bet on you.

>> No.46587160

>>46584264
POWER SHOVELS: Str User, AP4, +1 to the cover save.
I want me IW to have some exclusive melee weapons, instead of the "I hope I pin anything at Ld9" heavy bolter shells. If only they were also for Autocannons or something

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>>46587115
Genevieve is equally dissapoint

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>>46584551
aaaaaaaaaay this is the best techno-heresy I've witnessed

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/hhg/

What would this glorious traitor-traitor's rules/wargear be? Discuss.

>> No.46587251

>>46586814
>also that marine doesn't have a fused ribcage so 0/10 artwork
So it was a changeling?

>> No.46587265

>>46587248
Rocks fall, traitors die.

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>>46587050

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>>46585637
>>46585666
>>46586147
The Wold Eaters were from everywhere, the same as Imperial Fists.
The Iron Warriors were from "Sek Amrak", aka, Second America, so there's that.

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>>46585424

>> No.46587441

>>46587388
IF were from the Saxonii cluster to a certain degree.

Feels Saxon.

>> No.46587453

>>46586147
The Old Albia being Albania and something to do with vampires thing cracks me up every time. Albion is the ancient name for the British isles and given the faux latin tendencies, 'old Albia' is clearly intended to be Britain.

>> No.46587458

>>46584641
Agreed. So they reroll less in a challenge, eh. Immune to pinning, which their rival loves using. That's a buff honestly

>> No.46587505

>>46587453
>Agreed
>>46587458
Is pinning worthless on 30k, where all squads begin with ld9?

>> No.46587535

2 questions about the infiltrate rule

Does a character with infiltrate attached to a unit confer it to other characters attached to the same unit?

Does infiltrate let you infiltrate a dedicated transport if the unit/attached character has infiltrate?

This is important for an army im planning

>> No.46587565

>>46587505
still a 25% chance to fail that roll, but it's going to do more if your opponents has a lower base Ld.

>> No.46587580

>>46587535
>Does a character with infiltrate attached to a unit confer it to other characters attached to the same unit?
Not since the December FAQ
>Does infiltrate let you infiltrate a dedicated transport if the unit/attached character has infiltrate?
Yes, you can infiltrate DTs (like spartans) that way

>> No.46587615

>>46587565
Actually 1/6 chance. I guess I better stick to killing the enemy instead of using shrapnel bolts. Maybe thud guns too.

>> No.46587629

>>46586144
Anvil industries

>> No.46587723

>>46587580

>An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment, and vice versa (Dec FAQ)

>Units that contain at least one model with this special rule... (BRB)

So does that then mean that as long as one model in the unit has infiltrate they all have infiltrate, unless that one model is an independent character?

>> No.46587734

>>46587723
...yeah, but, what's specifically on your mind? I'm not sure why you're wording it that way

>> No.46587806

>>46587734

I had a plan for an army called "Morturgs revenge", max number of things possible infiltrate and get into the enemies face asap

I had assumed Infiltrate was transferred to a unit if an independent character in the unit had it, so since Morturg and three other units have it, I figured I could then just get max HQs with 2 Vigilators who could then transfer it to two other squads + Morturg in another squad and three more of my choosing getting it and tada, 6 infiltrating Death Guard (Dusk Raiders) units in your deployment zone turn 1

If IC's don't hand it out though then I have some problems

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>>46587388
>auro plateau
>buenos aires
>mfw

>> No.46587895

>>46587806
Well it used to be that way. Now stuff like Vigilators cannot be used anymore, and Shirke's rules ceased to make sense. Fucking GW, honestly.

>> No.46587919

>>46587817
kek, shrapnel llamas. Chistorra is delicious, man.

>> No.46587976

>>46587817
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PbdyJ_ybSI

>> No.46588058

>>46587976
>"I'm from Bwenos Ahrehs, and I say we kill them all"
>No che
>No boludo
>Played by an american "descended from an old Dutch family long settled in the New York area; his other heritage includes Swedish, French, English, and Native American"
>Argentinian
Juan Rico is supposed to be filipino anyway.

>> No.46588087

>>46588058
in a utopian future, everybody is a white american m8

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>>46588087
I guess they did build the wall around Terra. And Mars payed for it

>> No.46588129

>>46587453
The only reason there's even a tiny bit of dissent over that is the turd of a novel The Outcast Dead, which has the Unification War-era civilisation of Albyon

>> No.46588199

>>46588058
It's called "the future", anon.

>> No.46588228

>>46584071
So, where can this rule be found? It's not in the red book, it's not in 6.

>> No.46588280

>>46588228
In a faq.

>> No.46588285

>>46588228
It's in the FAQ at the moment, I assume it's going to be in the updated Generic Red Book (rather than the Legion one).

>> No.46588303

>>46588228
page 4.

>> No.46588358

>>46588303
>tfw I only just realised you can have combi-volkite

I want to give this to all my seekers, even though I feel like it would be shit

>> No.46588383

>>46584484

Word Bearers
Renegade/Blackshield
2k

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>>46588358
Rule of Cool > Combat Effectiveness.
Do it Anon.

>> No.46588416

>>46584484
Blood Angel Loyalist/Emperors' Children loyalist

About 2000 of BA, just started EC so nothing

>> No.46588506

OP has returned and recovered from the effects of midnight bowling. The next thread summary will be much better?
>>46584054
What's wrong with you?

>> No.46588535

>>46588387
I definitely agree, I've wanted to run a dual plasma cannon wielding contemptor for a while now. Could fluff him as an ex-moritat.

How would I even make a combi-volkite though? It's not like theres any third party bita for it, unlike the combi-grenade launchers

>> No.46588697

>>46584052

Is he killing space wolves or SoH?

>>46584115

It could be a ruse but the entire point of Alpha Legion fluff is that A) we'll never know the truth B) because the way the legion is set up, it doesn't matter if Alpharius died.

And yeah Omegon is pretty much confirmed for loyalist now, they might receive rules to reflect it but the AL has always screwed over other CSM in really abrupt ways

>> No.46588882

>>46588697
space wolf

>> No.46589143

>>46588697
Space Wolves.
Also, FW might have written off Omegon completely, as well as the Cabal

>> No.46589277

>>46589143
Oh praise Man Emperor Urist!

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>>46589143
>FW might have written off Omegon completely,
If anything, they just added a third head to the hydra

>> No.46589357

>>46589345
>implying that's not what they want you to think
Wake up and smell the heresy

>> No.46589359

>>46589345
It's the Legion itself, Anon.

>> No.46589407

>>46589345
The third head represents the legion as a whole you sausage

>> No.46589418

>>46589345
>Implying Alpharius doesn't just suffer from multi-personality disorder
Alpharius, Omegon, and I guess Sigma are all the same person, Alpharius simply begins to imagine at times that he is no longer Alpharius but Omegon and plays the role of his twin-brother without letting anyone know. Alpharius is so obsessed with deception and subterfuge that his mind made up a twin brother for him to keep secret from the world and switch places from time to time.

>> No.46589441

>>46589359
>>46589407
That's what they want you to think.
>>46589418
Holy shit, Genevieve Rocha's brother is actually Tyler Durden?

>> No.46589442

>>46589359
>>46589407
That's as "confirmed" as anything out there.

>> No.46589453

>>46589345
>they do not speak about the ultra secret guy
Anon....

>> No.46589461

>>46589442
Your comment is also a lie, akin to >>46585424

>> No.46589470

>>46589418
This is the fourth time I've seen this theory.
>>46589441
Just call him Mr. Rocha, or Genevive for short,
>>46589442
There has to be Aloha Marines tired of the whole secrecy.

>> No.46589495

>>46589470
The first rule of the Alpha Legion is:
We do not talk about the Alpha Legion

>> No.46589504

I think they're waiting to flesh out Knights-Errant more before adding Omegon

Because everyone knows Omegon is Janus

>> No.46589511

>>46588535
Chop up a
Volkite Charger kit from FW? Bit pricey though. Not sure actually.

>> No.46589521

>>46589495
How do they keep up with themselves?

>> No.46589529
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>>46589345

> Third Primarch is Sigmar
> Pod crashes onto the WFB world
> So sneaky he infiltrates himself into a human uterus
> His origin story is creating the Empire to fight Chaos
> His disappearance is the Emperor taking him home
> Age of Sigmar is the bizarre drugs bender he disappears into after the Scouring

IT ALL MAKES SENSE

>> No.46589534

>>46589143
>Also, FW might have written off Omegon completely, as well as the Cabal

Of course, the FW books would, you fool. The FW books are written as in-verse tomes by an in-verse scholar whose name initials are AK, according Laurie Goulding.

This means that behind the doors stuff like the Cabal and Omegon's existence would not be written down in the stuff written by that person.

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>>46589529
>> So sneaky he infiltrates himself into a human uterus

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>>46589511
I was thinking chargers would be better as I could just cut the hand and trigger out and glue it underneath a bolter. Maybe go with the old GW combi-weapon and chop up a bunch of bolters/pistols to glue underneath the chargers.

Or I might just put a bolter in one hand and a charger in the other and say he only uses the charger once as his arms get tired, pic related style

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>>46589461
What if everyone in here is (You)? Maybe that was Sigma's plan all along?

>> No.46589590

>>46588535
I find it a bit unfortunate that FW hasn't released a Volkite Serpenta pack (there's 2 in the MkII and III power weapon packs), because you could use the barrels and nozzles from those quite easily for a make-shift combi-Volkite.

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>>46589589
Nigga don't do this.

>> No.46589667

How does one create an account on the bolter and chainsword forum?
I getthis everytime I try : "The administrator is currently not accepting new membership registrations."

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>>46589589
>>46589617
This thread is getting to Alpha Legion for me

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>>46589617
If you want to unravel the mysteries of the Alpha Legion, you cannot be afraid of a few (You)s

>> No.46589787

>>46589730
This thread has gone from standard Ultramarine geometry to abstract advanced Alpha Legion geometry.

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Hey mates if any of you could rate my 2500 points Beserker Assault list that would be swell decided to start an army due to cheap BaC mk4

HQ

Gahlan Surlak

Kharn the Bloody [Legacy of Blood]
Master of the Legion [Beserker Assault]

Troops

3x Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon]

Elites

3xLegion Apothecary

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [Twin-linked Autocannons]

The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe]
The Devoured [Chainfist, Power Fist]

Heavy Support

Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield]


Lord of War

Legion Typhon Heavy Siege Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Lascannons]

Kharn and Surlak ride with the butchers in the Spartan I was tempted to use the other RoW to get a better FnP but I'm not sure

>> No.46589843

>>46589806
Didn't put the free chainaxes on but If anyone has a problem with it I'll just swap out bolters for them

>> No.46589849

>>46589806

> This kills the thread

Look good, Surlak is the best thing to happen to the Legion since it was created. Are you taking any Inductii? They are pretty fantastic.
Berzerker Horde is the way to go I think. Once you're in the enemy DZ, you'll be dealing more wounds than taking them anyway.

Be careful with that Typhon, it's very easy to limit your targets when you're throwing bodies under the template.

>> No.46589855

>>46589843
Please stop with that meme.

>> No.46589862

>>46589589
>>46589617
>>46589617
>>46589730
What's the odds these are all the same anon?

>> No.46589866

>>46589806
This list is a bit too anti-infantry focused, needs more anti-tank and ap2. Can't you give the Mortis dread dual kheres cannons?
>Due to cheap mk4 BaC.
Oy vey

>> No.46589893

>>46589862
>Quotes one guy two times
Who says you aren't that/those guy(s)

>> No.46589896

>>46589855
Yeah, everyone knows chainaxes are free.

>> No.46589905

>>46589862
The same with Orks/Nids/CSM/Bangles/SoBs not getting updated books that the fanbase rejoices over in five seconds.

>> No.46589907

>>46589345
Guys why is the ultramarines symbol an upside down Omega sign?

>> No.46589910
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46589910

Is the alpha legion actually good or are they jsut a source for the Dankest memes ?

Ingame they look meh at best, especially without Alpharius

>> No.46589919

>>46585359

>Forge World makes a humorous advertisement for the thousand sons that everyone enjoys, a slight jab at SW players even they can chuckle at

>GW makes a cruel advertisement for their Sigmarine dragon riders that rubs salt into the raw wounds of Brettonian players everywhere.

This is why FW a best

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>>46589896
I would say that's the natural order of things, but I've seen these threads ruined because of chainaxes too many times for my taste. It does give me fuel for writefaggotry as I want to do something meta.

>> No.46589962

>>46589849
I know Inductii can't be joined by any IC but can they be joined by Apothocaries due to being an upgrade for Tac Squads?

>> No.46589963

>>46589862
Well you quoted the same anon twice, so that's one thing. Beyond that? Zero. There aren't enough (You)s for it.

>> No.46589971

>>46589667
Well, there's that

>> No.46589972

>>46589910
They are played akin to vanilla +1, so your best bet is to be as flexible as you can, although their characters are nice. If you can't pull battle plans as dank as their memes, don't bother using them, because yeah, they're a bit lacklustre when compared to other more focused legions

>> No.46589989

>>46589893
Who's to say that EVERYONE in this thread isn't the same guy who just wants someone to talk to?

>> No.46590022

>>46589896
only if they are represented on the model though

wording specifically says you cant proxy shit as chainaxes

thats why i just buy my WE ccws, since all the chainaxe models suck or are a pain to convert

>> No.46590058

>>46590022
Can't you use The berzerker ones? Maybe fill down the arrow so no Imperial fist can go full sperg on it (because it sounds like what an IF would do)

>> No.46590082

>>46589862

>What's the odds that i'm the same anon?

Nice try Alpharius, im onto your tricks

>> No.46590092

>>46589910
They're gonna get their place in the spotlight, once the Primarch quintuplets are revealed.

>> No.46590128

>>46590058
you can, but i think they look like shit. they have big stupid leather gloves and the powerarmor looks weird.

also they are like $2 each on ebay, so theyd basically cost as much as the BaC marine does.

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>>46590092
Emps's going to be busy for that birthday party.

>> No.46590223

>>46590128
Anvil has some chain axes for £3.50 for 5.
http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Close-Combat-Weapons/Wargaming-Chain-Axes

As for the stupid leather gloves, I believe the new Ravenwing command squad kit comes with similar style flared vambraces.

>> No.46590264

>>46590223
I like those!

Somehow i have to think of Iron hands looking at that design, but maybe that s because they look rather brutal and functional.

>> No.46590308

>>46590223
>http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Close-Combat-Weapons/Wargaming-Chain-Axes
yeah they look alright, id get sick of a whole army of them though.

also then youd need to buy assault squad arms and bolt pistol arms.

thats probably the best way to do it from a BaC box, is to buy assault marine arms and the anvil axes. would still double the cost of your marines though.

im just going to do mine with a mix of old CSM/SM chainswords and fantasy chaos axes i have lying around, in addition to mostly bolter dudes.

im paying points for the ccw upgrade anyway tho

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>>46589862
It's two. Alpharius replied to two posts Omegon made, then Omegon made a screenshot of Alpharius post and replied to Alpharius. Alpharius posted a screenshot of that reply, a post of which Omegon made another screenshot himself.

>> No.46590320

So are free chain axes that big of a deal? WE are already shit for having rules that make combat difficult stacked against them. I understand why people see it as an exploit, but does it even matter on the tabletop?

>> No.46590348

>>46590320
Toxic and abusive.

>> No.46590357

>>46590308
Also planning on going Despoilers/ Blackshield Marauders.

Probably going to bite the Bullet and buy them peace-meal from FW as Jump-pack equipped assault squads.

Will try to to get my hands on regular backpacks and those anvil chainaxes, with the backpacks being magnetised.

So they can slog or jump, depending on how I build my list.

What else can you do?

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>>46590314
Ah, an Ultramarine. Someone we can put our trust with.
Unless...

>> No.46590399

>>46590378
I love those.

>> No.46590489

>>46590357
honestly im just doing 40 of my BaC marines as WE bolter dudes/ kitbashed with shit i have lying around. the other 20 will be IF.

im waiting for whenever GW does plastic mk4 jump troops, which im expecting will be whenever BA get released. id like to run a 20man WE blob with jump packs, should fuck shit up.

magnetizing the backpacks might be tricky. id just glue mine 2bh

>> No.46590540

I just want Mk4 assault squad variant with night raptor-style jump packs.

>> No.46590557

>>46590320

Somewhat depends on the circumstances

In pride/butcher focused armies it makes literally zero difference

In big hordes of dudes armies you could be seeing savings of over 100 pts across three or larger full sized tactical blobs

YMMV on whether 120 pts worth of discount on one of the weaker legions and no delivery method for those tac blobs other then walking across the board into the teeth of your enemies entrenched guns or buy 1000+ pts worth of spartans is "abusive" or "WAAC"

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>>46590540
mfw not even night raptors have night raptors jump pack. Suspiciously, Dark fury squads have them

>> No.46590636

>>46590489
It would be my first try at it, but either using magnets or...don' know the english term....using a small hole to stick it on a small plastic bit to secure it.

I personally still pray for plastic MKII, its World Eatery as the upgrade kit was made for them.

>> No.46590641

>>46590557
no even with the right way to play it (free chainaxes) it's not salamanders level OP, or even word bearers level mid tier.

Last tourney we gave all WE the free chainaxe, because it's literally the fluff.

Then on 24 player, 15 where salamanders...

>> No.46590663

>>46590320
its like 120 points you get to save

id rather just pay the 120 points and get better rules instead. like give them run and charge in the same turn or some shit

>> No.46590692

>>46590636
>I personally still pray for plastic MKII, its World Eatery as the upgrade kit was made for them.
yeah id use them as veterans or just a 3rd 20 man blob. i wish 40k gave csm new kits, a plastic berzerker kit would be great

>> No.46590737

>>46590641

Were they at least painted well?

This makes me sad....

>> No.46590757

>>46590692
On that note, I still have one of the old plastic+metal thousand son kits.

Do people still buy and play these?

>> No.46590810

>>46590757
people might use them for 30k i guess

>> No.46590854

>>46590810
Maybe, they definetly look good.

>> No.46590873

>>46590603
I think they got their armor mixed up at the cleaners.

>> No.46590890

>>46590641

Wait, holdup, what makes salamanders so broken now?

I thought to top tier was IF/IH and now maybe SoH

>> No.46590891

>>46590641
How are the Sallies OP?

>> No.46590935

>>46590890
>>46590891
probably firedrakes and that special character dred

>> No.46590942

>>46590890
Weren't IWs also top tier because of the Ironfire?

>> No.46590957

>>46590890
Why are SoH op?

Just bought my first set of Cataphracti termies for them yesterday...

>I don't want ti be a powergamer!!

>> No.46591066

>>46590957

Not "OP" but:

>the death deals BS buff
>merciless fighters
>the reserve reroll
>two really, really good special units
>one good and one REALLY good RoW
>GOAT primarch
>and being battle brothers with a huge number of armies

Certainly don't make them bottom or mid tier anymore

>> No.46591122

>>46590058
Hands on the Berzerkers are huge. You either have to do a fair bit of cutting to move them over or use both arms which looks a bit fugly.

I like the Berzerker plasma pistol, so I have had to do this a fair bit in my life.

>> No.46591170

>>46591066
I am a bit miffy about it not applying to fury of the legion, but i guess that would be to strong and push the IF's turf.

I agree mostly.

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>>46590873
>I think they got their armor mixed up at the cleaners.
"I don't believe it. Did my babyskin gloves just shrank?!"

>> No.46591262

>>46589919
What's the Sigdragon one?

>> No.46591304

>>46584484
Around 2k points of death guard, planning up to 2500 in them, and about 3000 points of mechanicum, plus an ordinatus

>> No.46591333

>>46591261
Kek. Lord only knows what Fabius has to go through to keep his coat clean.

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>>46585359
YIFF LIVES MATTER

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>>46590957

I wouldn't call them OP. I'd say they are a rock-solid Legion and very high in the rankings, but still fall shy of Alpha Legion, Imperial Fists and Raven Guard IMO.

Justaerin are a contender for 'best Legion unit in the game' after their buffs. W2, WS5, Furious Charge and Stubborn for a pittance over the stock Legion. Can be made Troops with Pride and Deep Strike with Reaving.
Reavers are also good but heavily overrated IMO. They are immediately and obviously very cool but generally weaker than Veterans IMO. Jump Packs and Combi-Plasma are their only real selling points.

A subtler advantage of the Legion is their ability to mimic Rites of War or even combine them together. It allows you to string some nasty combos together that no other Legion can pull off.
Like taking Horus and Maloghurst essentially gives you Pride, except with none of the downsides and you still have an open Rite slot. You can take Dreadclaws without Orbital Assault, except now you can choose which units to Pod.
And then you can combine them as mass-podding Justaerin Terminators, who also happen to pick up the Brothers of Iron Rite just because.

Fucking love this Legion.

>> No.46591456

>>46591412
>RG literally the worst legion
>Alpha legion see this >>46589972
>IF are mid tier at best, due to their very nature of being mid tier.

>> No.46591460

>>46589143
FW are written in-universe perspective which means none of the greater mysteries or heretical stuff in the Heresy is talked about. It's akin to the old barely-detailed index astartes articles.

Nobody knows about Alpharius and Omegon in the Imperium, so neither does FW

40k wiki uses the same tone which for an online encyclopedia makes it awful and unrelaible

>> No.46591507

>>46591262
This.
I'd like to see it aswell.

>> No.46591513

>>46591460
I love that style so much.

You know, when FW does it.

>> No.46591543

>>46591513
It's okay for a supplement that's meant to be used for a tabletop game but I do like fleshed out stories more

>> No.46591570

>>46591460
>>46589534
So BL novels are objective from the perspective of an all-knowing narrator?

>> No.46591704

>>46591412
Personally I would go for Black reaving with a delegatus and MoS, two full reaver Jump Squads, one tac Despoiler ( that is bolter+ccw, right?) in a Storm Eagle and a sicarian on the ground.

Will try to get a Land Raider Proteus with explorator array in there instead of the Sicarian.

My guys would be to reliant on reserves.

>> No.46591708

>>46591456
>RG literally the worst legion
All those aloha legion infiltrate tactics just fall short when compared to a Raven Guard using the same tactics, who get infiltrate AND Fleet, or Furious Assault, because fuck those WEs

>> No.46591964

>>46591570
Pretty much, like how the codexes are written from the perspective of the inquisition/blue scribes depending on which codex

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>>46591412
>>46591066
>>46590957

What is the Best loadout for Justaerin ? All threads on the internet are for before the last redbook
Particularly for when inside a Stormbird.

>> No.46592001

>>46591964
Explain Necrons and Orks.

>> No.46592025

>>46591992

> Everyone gets a Combi-Plasma
> 1-2 Chainfists
> Power Fists as can be afforded
> Bigger squads should seriously consider a Primus Medicae and/or a Forge Lord

>> No.46592075

>>46592025
Not him, but what about Multi-Meltas?

>> No.46592098

>>46592001
>orks
pretty clearly an imperial written codex

>necrons
got me there, next necron codex should just be "bleep bloop they're robots"

>> No.46592169

>>46592098
>necron codex and admech codex
1010111010110101010010010110100101001001

>> No.46592173

>>46592075
They're nice in the way they're not one-use like the combi version, but they're very expensive and don't get the +1BS bonus because they're heavy, instead of rapid fire/assault/pistol. A combimelta could suit you better for assault, although 24" range S8 AP1 is nice all game long.

>> No.46592176

>>46592098
>pretty clearly an imperial written codex
How would they know about the Ork on Tau violence?
>got me there, next necron codex should just be "bleep bloop they're robots"
Well it doesn't.

>> No.46592190

>>46591992
Why plasma that kill yourself instead of Melta ?

>> No.46592213

>>46592173
I just thought about a barebone squad: Power axes and a Multi-Melta and maybe a chainfist on the chief.

>> No.46592231

>>46592001
>>46592098
>>46592176
I thought alien codexes were written by Ordo Xenos adepts.
>>46592190
Because more shots? Justaerin are still expensive, so you can expect Armoured Ceramite vehicles, meaning meltas will be focused on 2W models

>> No.46592252

>>46592190
Rapidfire mulches infantry. Meltas are also either armored ceramited or hard to deliver

>> No.46592271

>>46591570
>So BL novels are objective

It depends on the novel.

But most often you get the perspective of the guys who were there and/or the major characters themselves. For example, we know about Omegon because we got the perspective of Omegon and his brother in the books.

>>46591964
Codexes are written from the perspective of the all knowing narrator, dude.

>> No.46592292

>>46592231
How would they know about that one dynasty that's hinted at being the Silent King's base and that their rank and file tin cans aren't mindless?

>> No.46592313

>>46592231
>I thought alien codexes were written by Ordo Xenos adepts.

Of course, there were Xeno adepts right inside the courts of the Necrons recording their conversations and antics. Bleeh.

>> No.46592332

>>46589534
They're written by Amendera Kendel in-universe.

>> No.46592346

>>46592252
I also like how it works in conjunction with the plasma blaster.

If only terminators could have a volkite heavy weapon to go with chargers.

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>>46592271
But is he a reliable source?

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>>46592426
Your guess is as good as mine ours.

>> No.46592689

>>46584484
>Alpha Legion
>Traitor/Loyalist/Whatever we need to make teams for a good game,
>7500 pts

>> No.46592728

>>46592498
Still think those helmets S9pecifically the two on the left) look like orks.

>> No.46592742

>>46592689
Grey Tide spotted.. in that case everyone is 10k+.

>> No.46592767

>>46592689
>7500 pts
Are you the same guy with the 150 tacticals?

>> No.46592770

>>46584484
>Space Wolves
>Loyalists inb4 "implying"
>A little over 4000, aiming at 5 once I know the options a little better

>> No.46592812

>>46592770
You'll probably get chainaxes, Scorpius Whirlwind squads (SW comissioned them) and psyker characters that pretend they aren't witchminds and also that they don't speak gothic

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>>46592728
They'll go well with the one CSM kit helmet.

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>>46592742
Believe it or not, I can play about 6k with painted models, Only things I have left are 2 10 man headhunters, 1 10 man destroyer squad with jump packs, and a couple assorted heavy weapon dudes to finish off some heavy support squads I started
>>46592742
Only 50 actually, usually run either 3 10 mans in rhinos for coils of the hydra's requirements, but I have the ability to fluff up 2 squads to 20 man blobs with apothecaries depending on what the list calls for.

>> No.46592929

>>46592812
Well, I'd welcome more Whirlwinds, but that's about it.

I'm fully expecting all the rules to be ones that don't benefit me at all.

>> No.46593160

>>46592929
This is what I expect for SW

>Lone Wolf replaces the Moritat, same role but close combat instead of shooty (SOmething like rolls to hit of 5-6 create new attacks or some shit)
>Veterans and Destroyers are replaced by Grey Hunters, basically Destroyers with Vet Tactics
>Rune Priest replace Libbies, only access to their own psychic abilites from mother nature or some hippie shit like that.
>Scorpius Squadrons
>No option for Artillery, its replaced by the option to take a single squad of Leman Russes
>Long Fangs replace Devastators, prolly work as the 40k version and I wouldnt be surprised if every member had split fire.

>> No.46593281

>>46593160
>have a shooty moritat
>don't have vets nor destroyers
>don't have libbys
>do have a scorpius, so more is welcome
>was thinking of artillery, but will settle for a pair of Exterminators (been running them as dakka predators)
>iffy about long fangs, since you can't mix heavy weapons, so why wouldn't you be blasting at the same target with everything anyway?

I just hope they get frost swords and axes.

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>>46583979
Guys what's a good base for Mechanicum?

I already have the Red Book and HH book 6.

>> No.46593355

>>46593281
>space wolves get some fancy axe
>WE get nothing
wouldnt even surprise me

>> No.46593418

>>46593347

Scoria.

All you need.

>> No.46593426

I noticed most 30k players I know are traitor legion players who play it because the 40k csm codex sucks. Is it a conspiracy to make chaos players buy more forgeworld? Or do you think it's just my area?

>> No.46593443

>>46593418
He doesn't even have a model yet.

Trust me though. I will buy it IMMEDIATELY when he does.

>> No.46593445

>>46593347
Decide what list you want.

Reductor,Cybernetica or standard Taghmata.

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>>46593347
That shit needs a healthy dose of compliance

>> No.46593460

>>46593445
What's the difference?

>> No.46593465

>>46593426
Wouldn't be surprised.

They are taking away all the things that made 40k chaos special and make "fantasy".

While that is happening you have Sigmarines in "age of sigmar."

Cross polination and shit.

>> No.46593482

>>46593460
>Taghmata
Base AdMech
>Cybernetica
Lots of Monstrous Battle-Automata (who can't score, sadly)
>Reductor
Lots of siege engines and tanks and Thallax

>> No.46593518

>>46593460
Reductor are angry Tech Priests that like sieging.

Limited unit selection, but some nice buffs to certain units.

Cybernetica is bigger, but focused on Robutts and has some spiffy rules for them.

Taghmata Omnissia is basically the standard form of a mechanicum task-force send to kick ass for Emps/Horus or whatever.
They can take everything , but get less special rules.

>> No.46593524

>>46593451
That's just one horror of DEldar, Dark AdMech, and the Old Night. The worst part is that it has a high chance of being much worse than the picture.

>> No.46593532

>>46593426
It's not a conspiracy, but people are definitely doing it to make their legion list do justice. So much flavor got sucked out of chaos in the last decade

>> No.46593546

>>46593524
Can it be worse?

>> No.46593619

>>46593426
>>46593465
>>46593532
But is GW that smart?
>>46593546
Oh yes. Just install some headphones that only play Rebecca Black or some other God awful "music" which is never deafening for some reason. You won't be able to take them off as a head.

>> No.46593660

So GW is really going to sell that ugly monopose contemptor on it's own?

>> No.46593702

>>46593660
It's just so people can use the BaC models in 40k without proxy or FW rules.

We don't know yet what models from the BaC will get their own boxes.

>> No.46593767

>>46593702
Why would they make a new kit when the new supplement only has options for the BaC dread?

>> No.46593775

>>46593660
yes, kek

they sell a bunch of clamshell characters already

>> No.46593882

>>46593767
I just said the supplement is specifically made because of the BaC units. It was stated clearly in the WD articles about the supplement.

But the BaC kit will not be eternal and there's been rumours that they're already selling out their stocks. Some have hinted that GW will take the sprues and make individual box sets of them, like the tacticals and terminators. If they did make a plastic contemptor kit, I sure would hope they'd make it a proper one and not that BaC one, which is barely above a snap-fit kit. They can throw that into the next BaC style kit that's rumoured to come out later this year.

>> No.46593979

>>46593882
Yes, but if they were going to make a proper kit with more options you would think that they'd include those options in the supplement already. Otherwise they'd need to make a new supplement just to add more options for the contemptor.

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>>46593426
I always disliked CSM for various reasons, but 30k made them attractive to me. Not only because of the comparably less edgy models, but also because of the fluff around them.

I mean, its the same in the end, but different enough to get me interested. If I'd play a loyal legion, I'd just play whats around already, only with different armor sets. With the traitors you got both, the traitors and how they were before the fall. Plus, the HH is a pretty good thing, and when you're into the fluff, there are lots of reasons for one person to choose a traitor legion.

>> No.46594058

>>46593979
>Otherwise they'd need to make a new supplement just to add more options for the contemptor.

And people would need to buy that supplement to have those options.

But I did not say the new kit is gonna come out now. I'm just saying that, again, this supplement is for the BaC kits. If in the future they do put out a plastic contemptor, I sure do hope it's not this one with the static body and two gun options. And when they do put it out, they're sure to come out with new rules, maybe even in a codex.

>> No.46594334

>>46593992
I feel sad for Lorgar.

>> No.46594397

So, SoH 1st Company (Justaerin/Catulan) is all black. But what color would be Maloghurst and 1st's vehicles? Any other company painted in black? Because I would like to make them all in same color, for sake of unity.

>> No.46594891

>>46593992
I want a model and rules for Argel Tal.

>> No.46594972

>>46593160
>>46593281
I doubt SW will be reworked that much, they'll probably be more like the other legions, a couple of special units and wargear, maybe a consul type.

>> No.46595077

>>46594972
One of the reasons why Inferno was pushed back is because FW said they were taking their time reworking 1ksons and SW, they will be different from the rest of the legions.

>> No.46595099

>>46594972
We need rules for Bjorn

>> No.46595109

I'm torn between a praevian with 3 vorax automatas or a forge lord with 4 servitors and rad grenades joining a unit, possibly terminators.

Space Wolves, so legion rules don't matter.

>> No.46595127

>>46595099
I'll eat my hat if there are no rules for him in inferno.

>> No.46595137

>>46595077
Yay, can't wait for all the hate for getting special treatment.

>> No.46595147

>>46595077
Makes sense. As it stands it is actually impossible to make a canon 1kson list

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>>46595127
I'm certain FW will make sure you'll still have a hat to wear.
>>46595137
>mfw
Hopefully it won't be that bad.

>> No.46595216

>>46595099
WS/BS/S/T 4, W 1, I 4, A 1, Ld 8, Sv 3+
Wargear
Bolter
Bolt Pistol
Power Armour
Frag and Krak Grenades

Special rules
LA
Fury of the Legion

Any one tactical marine may be replaced by Bjorn for free

The idea that everyone who was alive during the heresy was someone important is retarded. Why does Bjorn have to be important? His main thing is that he is old, not that he was some big important dude since forever.

>> No.46595306

>>46595216
He was good enough to put in a dread.

>> No.46595308

>>46595216
well, I'm pretty sure even in old fluff Bjorn was part of Russ's Wolf Guard, and the only one left behind when he left, but I get your point, that does seem to happen a bit too much.

>> No.46595314

>>46595216
Polux wasnt important either, he's literally a random fleet master, hell even Seneschal Rann is more important as his personal heraldry is part of the legion heraldry (Like Sigismund's) and Bjorn is just a young veteran when the HH comes and then the first chapter master. If polux got rules then Bjorn will also get his.

>> No.46595338

>>46595216
>Why does Bjorn have to be important?
Well he's already established to have been important during the heresy, being part of Leman Russ' Wolf Guard, being the first Master of the Chapter post-heresy, and probably some other shit that space wolf fans will be able to tell you about, but it's safe to say he's important for reasons beyond extremely advanced age.

>> No.46595371

>>46595077
I thought it was the Silent Sisters and Custodes that was holding them up?

>> No.46595456

>>46595371
The Custodes will be getting more than jet bikes and Grav-land Raiders. There are Custode Dreadnought but what else they could give the Custodes is beyond me.

>> No.46595457

>>46595371
They are small part, but SW and TS were the biggest hurdle. Sisters for example are entirely dependent on TS to validate their worth.

>> No.46595466

>>46595077
Wasn't that just that they were very aesthetically different

>> No.46595494

>>46595456
>but what else they could give the Custodes is beyond me.
Custodes Halberds and Assault lascannons

>> No.46595523

>>46595456
I think was more statting them properly than coming up with equipment

>> No.46595537

>>46595314
Pollux went on to found the Crimson Fists, one of the most iconic chapters in 40k (apart from the special snowflakes with the own books).

But yeah, I'm all for a bunch of regular guys who are just doing their job. Those make the best characters anyway.

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>>46595456
They had Terminators so Grav Land Raiders

>> No.46595586

>>46595338
>being part of Leman Russ' Wolf Guard
So should we have a special character for one member from every legion's honour guard? You do realize that Lucius and Fabius Bile still don't have rules despite actually having been major figures in their legion even before the Heresy.

>> No.46595599

>>46595216
>Not giving him his iconic Lightning claw
Do you even wolf?

>> No.46595600

>>46595457
Gotta say I disagree, coming up with stats, units and structure for two completely new armies, and ensuring they're neither overpowered nor a let down sounds more difficult than producing two variant legions.

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>>46595457
>Sisters for example are entirely dependent on TS to validate their worth
What about on daemons, and other non-1k-Son psykers?
>>46595494
>Custodes Halberds and Assault lascannons
The Halberds were a given.
>Assault Lascannons
>Assault Lascannons
>mfw
>>46595523
They had stats back in the old days so I figured they were just going to upgraded them for modern games.
>>46595559
I can't wait.

>> No.46595632

>>46595599
In the HH books he uses a power axe, so he might get that instead

>> No.46595658

>>46595632
Bjorn the axe handed?
>>46595608
Maybe also T5 WS5 BS5 Ld10 Fearless base

>> No.46595669

>>46595600
FW already made primarchs. Making ass kicking dudes shouldn't be that difficult, and sister can't be made until TS gets made

>> No.46595672

>>46595600
The easiest part was most likely toning down the levels of wolf which is to GW.
>>46595658
I can live with that.

>> No.46595683

>>46595599
The one on his dreadnought?

>> No.46595729

>>46595669
I see what you mean, but I think its easier to make and balance an ass kicking character than make an entire army of ass kickers

>> No.46595761

>>46595672
Yeah, I'm looking forward to reduced and hopefully sane levels of wolf.

They might even be cool space vikings again.

>> No.46595768

>>46595683
There is art from Collected Visions with him having a claw. He also had a beard and looked happy compared to how he must feel in the modern 40k. I think there's also some BL art of him enjoying himself.
>>46595729
>than make an entire army of ass kickers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fLpmswBKVN4

>> No.46595813

>>46595768
>recruitment for Night Lords.mov

>> No.46595821

>>46595761
How much is acceptable though? How can we know? For far too long we had 360% wolf and would we say even 70% wolf is too much wolf? 49% wolf is golden?

>> No.46595825

>>46595683
No, back when he was still flesh he wielded a Wolf claw/MC Lightningclaw.
>When he was still counted amongst the living, Bjorn was outfitted as befitted a member of Leman Russ' retinue: garbed in a mighty suit of Artificer Armour, in his left hand he wielded a Master-Crafted Lightning Claw which he always used with tremendous skill, and in his right hand he bore a Bolter modified with a pistol grip, allowing him to fire the weapon one-handed.
>Russ could only look on in pride as Bjorn deftly rolled beneath a blow attempting to cut him in half, then clambered up the daemon's towering frame to tear out the Arch-slaughterer's throat with his trusty Wolf Claw. In the aftermath of the battle, Russ came to Bjorn in person and exonerated him in front of the entire Legion, holding his oath fulfilled.
>Shortly after his internment in a Dreadnought chassis, the Chapter's Iron Priests fashioned a lightning-wreathed claw sized to match his massive chassis in honour of his favoured weapon in his former life.
>>46595768
> I think there's also some BL art of him enjoying himself.
Oh, they didn't call him fell-handed because of the claw ;^)

>> No.46595833

>>46595729
I can agree. I do still think that TS and SW were the hardest to make considering how long they waited to make a book for two legions with the most rabid fan base.

>> No.46595852

>>46595813
Nah, that's Big E telling Malcador everything he needed to conquer Terra during the Unification Wars. It's not know if he needed the Methodists or not, but they helped anyway.

>> No.46595868

>>46584484
Alpha Legion/Dark Angels
Traitor/Loyalist
~2250/~500

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>>46595768
Why not both? Give him an axe and a claw. That way you have the option for AP2 and AP3 Shred.

>> No.46595897

>>46595821
good point, its a fine line, a wolf balancing act.

>> No.46595915

>>46595852
No, that's exactly the NL's profile. He wanted an army of criminals to make people wish they hadn't betrayed the Emperor.
Oh, the irony!
I still find it funny how the Emperor's Retribution had to be done three times to get it right.
First the NL, then the WE, and at last, the SW

>> No.46595948

>>46595586
Read the full post. Bjorn was the first Great Wolf of the Space Wolves Chapter. He was literally the guy Russ pointed at and said, "you're in charge", when he left to go masturbate until the Wolftime.

He's literally more important than most special characters in the FW books.

>> No.46595962

>>46595872
It can work, and that was the picture I was talking about from Collected Visions.
>>46595897
Three wolf engravings on armor and weapons? Okay.
>>46595915
He used the children of those criminals.

>> No.46595995

>>46595948
>He's literally more important than most special characters in the FW books.
If we exclude the Primarchs, Abby, Khârn, and Sigs right?

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>>46595962
Why would the imperium need more than one wolf?
>Luna Wolves
>Hear me out, what's Luna floating on?
>It gravitates around Terra, my Emperor
>It's on Space, Malcador my friend. I didn't splice FUCKING DOG GENES on my kid for anything.

>> No.46596047

>>46595821
Approximately 3rd edition wolf levels. You have some characters with wolf related names and everything else with 'wolf' in its name is actually made of wolf.

>> No.46596051

>>46595833
Fair enough, I can understand that.

Also its been nice having discussions without shitposting, maybe the general is on the mend?

>> No.46596091

>>46596027
Because he doesn't care what the legions named themselves. There's two legions with Iron, Angels, and then there were two son legions later on.
>>46596047
Those are acceptable wolf levels.

>> No.46596103

>>46595995
And Typhon/Erebus.

Certainly higher than Pollux, Exodus, and much as we'd hate to admit it, Kyr Vhalen.

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>>46596091

>> No.46596175

>>46596103
I can't believe I left out those two, and I hate to admit it to.
>>46596147
Pretty much.

>> No.46596305

>>46596103

I'm still surprised we got Zardu instead or Argel though.

>> No.46596346

>>46585504
Why does he remind me so much of Manny Pacquiao?
>Fell-handed
Ahhhh

>> No.46596359

>>46596305
Maybe they flip a coin to decide what gets put into the books.
>Heads BL character
>Tails a character we made

>> No.46596398

angron should make red butchers troops, y/n?

>> No.46596400

>>46596103
>and much as we'd hate to admit it, Kyr Vhalen.
Barrabas when?
>>46596305
>I'm still surprised we got Zardu instead or Argel though.
Agreed
I'm...not sure if I want to see Lucius' rules.
>If he manages to kill a character, the player gets 4VPs for making Lucius sort-of relevant again.

>> No.46596445

>>46596051
Australians too drunk or all went to spurg about AoS orks

>> No.46596496

>>46596027
Technically sw called themselves the wolves of fenris
They just gave people space wolves as a tag because of their pretending to be retarded meme

>> No.46596506

>>46596398
YES.

Not even WE, I just want to fight that insanity.

>> No.46596516

>>46596103
Tarbitz most important!
Come at me,scrubs!

>> No.46596530

>The reaping gives all units move through cover and lets them buy rad grenades
>DG assault squads now auto pass dangerous terrain tests, aren't slowed by difficult terrain when charging and inflict -1 tough on enemy units, potentially also having HoW

Have DG sneakily had the best Assault Squads the whole time?

>> No.46596548

>>46596506
That would be pretty scary.

>> No.46596551

>>46596051
>>46596445
Let's hope it stays this way.

>> No.46596556

>>46596530
Hey also can't run or deepstrike.

>> No.46596605

>>46596530
I can't be the only one who nicknamed that ROW "The Raping."

It makes Iron warriors jealous of your dakka.

>> No.46596632

>>46596400

Personally for Lucius, i'd like to see some rules akin to Eltharion the blade master, where different styles of fighting confer different boni on Lucius.

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>>46596605
>It makes Iron warriors jealous of your dakka.
Iron Warriors are jealous of everything, even though they have rather nice characters and legion specifics. 97% odds of passing Pinning tests? Plz, IF & DG are outright immune to it. Good luck not caring about ranged casualties, because my +1BS will make you need some way of ignoring them.

>> No.46596688

>>46596632
Is there a book in which he isn't an ass yet?

>> No.46596703

>>46596398
Just take pride of the legion and theyre troops.

>> No.46596728

>>46596506
i mean you can already do it with pride of the legion

but if he made them troops you could run berzerker assault a lot easier, or be mental and run the crimson path with surlak and primus medicaes, so theyd all have 3+ FNP or 4+ FNPs when in the enemy deployment zone

>> No.46596744

>>46596703
Does it make all legion specific units troops?

>> No.46596751

>>46596688

i don't think so....

then again, being an ass is an important part of his character so i am ok with it.

>> No.46596763

>>46596744
No .vets and legion specific termies

>> No.46596770

>>46596744
Only Veterans and Terminators, but this includes Elite Terminators, like Deathshroud, Siege Tyrants and Red Butchers

>> No.46596787

>>46596688
Is there a book where marines aren't involved in this series?

>> No.46596791

>>46596770
Meant to say "Elite Terminator Legion-specifics". Grave Wardens and Fulmentarii won't become troops, as they are Heavy Support termies.

>> No.46596798

>>46596751
I read the book in which the loyalists get culled.
He is an egomaniac, but it looked like his shityness was a development over a time.
After all he was scheduled to die.

Reading that made me appreciate the pride and perfection aspects of slaanesh more.

>> No.46596826

>>46596763
>>46596770
>>46596791
Thanks, thought I might have missed a cool update.

>> No.46596845

>>46596632
Honestly as long as Lucius is WS 7 and has an AP 2 weapon I don't care what else they do. Lucius having an AP 3 weapon in 40k is retarded since he is supposed to be a guy who butchers people in single combat but most people he would want to challenge have a 2+ save anyway.

What I would like to see is Bile's rules honestly, maybe even let us upgrade non-basic units to be enhanced warriors. Hell maybe even upgrade independent characters to be enhanced warriors.

>> No.46596883

>>46596798
>but it looked like his shityness was a development over a time
Nah. He was a shitty teacher and liked to duel way too much, even killing beggars who, he claims, had assaulted him. The people of Chemos was actually going to lynch him, but an EC observer spirited him away.

>> No.46596885

>>46596770
>>46596791
And neither will Siege Tyrants as they're Heavy Support now.

>> No.46596905

>>46596845
Giddy for both.
30k EC are just glorious.
Regardless of being Traitor or Loyalist.

>> No.46596944

>>46596883
Spunds like a guy who liked to rub it in that he totally could kick your ass.
Worst part is that its his technique.

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>>46596885
Read again, the Tyrants are now Elites. Anything is possible when you read the latest book.
I'm on a Spartan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE

>> No.46596999

>>46596953

> two additional unit types

By that logic, nobody can take the Iron Circle except for Alpha Legion because they aren't given access to take them.

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>>46596953

>> No.46597026

>>46596953
Again FW changes one thing and doesn't bother to change their copy/paste job in another paragraph. This is why I refuse to buy the red books.

>> No.46597037

>>46584484
Loyalist
Luna Wolves
Roughly 4K

>> No.46597105

>>46596398
All Primarchs should make their snowflake terminators troops like girlyman

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>>46596999
>>46597025
I don't get how this is a problem, 9trips. It has been a thing since HH1, and the newest book confirmed Deathshroud can be used both at HQ and as Elites. Why can't the Tyrants do the same?
>>46597026
Who says you ought to buy them? :^)

>> No.46597172

>>46596845

I think that is reasonable, add in some special rules for Challenges and i think it would be a decent, fluffy character

>> No.46597218

>>46597120
Because their own entry doesn't mention they can be taken as both. Besides favoured of [insert primarch here] isn't unique to one legion. If FW wanted Tyrants to be both slots they should have mentioned in their entry that they could be taken as both slots, like with Deathshrouds.

>> No.46597239

>>46597172
Maybe the old gets better or worse depending on the enemies power level.

>> No.46597390

>>46597172
Lucius
WS 7 BS 5 S 4 T 4 W 3 I 5 A 4 Ld 10 Sv 2+
Equipment
Artificer Armour
Bolt Pistol
Paragon Blade
Frag and Krak Grenades

Special Rules
LA
Master of Legion
Haughty Champion

Haughty Champion: In a challenge Lucius gains the following benefits and hindrances depending on the WS of his opponent
WS 5 or less: Lucius decreases his WS to his opponent's
WS 6: Nothing
WS 7 or Higher: Lucius may reroll all failed to hit rolls
Lucius must also always issue and accept challenges even above other models with the same rules

He's pretty brutal but he is wasted unless you send him against enemy praetors or champions. On the other hand while he might be able to kill a tough praetor before the praetor can swing if he doesn't he is probably gonna die since he lacks an invul save.

>> No.46597417

>>46597218
What I'm saying is that, without needing the AoD's update, you already could field Deathshrouds as either HQ or Elites by virtue of them being mentioned as such in different pages (without acknowledging one another). You could even make a Deathshroud your warlord (they're characters) and still get a WT. This very same thing also happened with Rampagers (so you could argue it was consisting FW wording, whether such wording sucks or not is another matter).

>> No.46597443

>>46597239

as much as i'd like the idea i think that rules should be kept limited to universal and possibly rules for fighting style, just so its not too much of a hassle to use in games.

other then that, i think its a marvelous idea

>> No.46597457

Out of curiosity if Erebus didn't kill Tal what would Kharn have done?

>> No.46597460

>>46597390
I think he would work best as a buffed legion champion. He isnt a real lesder, is he?

>> No.46597505

>>46597457
Tal dying was important to putting Kharn on Khorne's path last time I checked.

>> No.46597557

>>46597390
So, he only manages to get an actual bonus when fighting either Kharn, Siggy, Sevatar and the Primarchs?
He's wasted against everyone else, that'd mean even some random dude could kill him- oooooh

>> No.46597601

>>46597557
Lucius is like the Avatar of Khaine for 30k.

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>>46597601

>> No.46597664

>>46597634 It's a little early I know but this thread was going to get archived anyway. Also proper summary made.

>> No.46597705

>>46597662
Saved, thank you.

>> No.46597734

>>46597390

I like it, and i think its roughly what it should be,

however i do think he's in need of a Refractor field, and just for fluff reasons, give him Dueling version of the Paragon blade, so it has the +1 I when in a Challenge. (so he functions a bit like a souped up Palentine blade)

>> No.46597753

So, how many HQs are required for a Dark Brethren WB army w/ Erebus or Kor again?

>> No.46597823

>>46596953

You know what, fuck it, FW wrote it that way lets just roll with it

IW players, you may now run PoTL and take Tyrants in Elites, Troops, and heavy support

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>>46597823
You can take termies as elites when you run PotL? I had no idea.

>> No.46597983

>>46597460
He was captain of the 13th company or something

>> No.46598017

>>46597753
Two.
You have 2 compulsory HQ choices and need to fulfill 3 requirements.
- Chaplain or Centurion.
- Master of the Legion to take the RoW.
- Diabolist.

Either of the compulsory HQ slots can tick one, none, or all of the special rule requirements but you do still need 2 HQ choices.

>> No.46598088

>>46597557
See? Super fluffy.

>> No.46598135

>>46597557
To be fair there are also FW's rules for making your own special characters which my group is tends to allow. My own EC praetor is a +1 WS praetor with the warlord trait that gives his unit +1 WS on the charge. He isn't great but a WS 8 praetor leading a bunch of WS 6 palatine blades and a couple of WS 7 champions all of whom lower the WS of enemy units in base contact with them by 1 is pretty funny if nothing else.

+1 Strength, Initiative, AP, and WS on the turn my unit charges

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For the night lords RoW terror assault, is it worth taking dreadclaw drop pods for the terror squads or just stick with normal drop pods?

>> No.46599118

>>46598088
As much as I love the BL keks, decreasing all the WS reqs by one would better fit crunch.
Through in the lucid blade rules on his character would be a good way to through in an invul.

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