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Question of the Day:
What would you do to make Criminals relevant again?

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>> No.44442145

Oops, forgot to change the QotD:
How do you see the meta changing through Mumbad?

>> No.44442301

>>44442133
>What would you do to make Criminals relevant again?

Give them a workable AI breaker or reusable bypass effect. Anarch is strong right now from having Eater and Faust allowing them a bunch of extra deck space for other things.

Security Nexus is the kind of thing that Criminal needs in faction to really become a powerhouse again.

That said I think the devs are scared of Crim becoming big again since that will just push us back into the Account Siphon forever meta.

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>>44442145

considering something like 3 of 10 Weyland cards for the cycle have been spoiled

I'm not going to comment, because there's not enough information. Essentially, FFG is going to fix Weyland in Mumbad or I am quitting.

>> No.44442345

>>44442304
Mumbad was the last cycle designed by Lukas, just before Damon takes over. And Lukas did say that he hope that Damon fixes whatever is Weyland missing. So I wouldn't put many expectations on Mumbad Weyland really.

>> No.44442525

>>44442301
What might a Criminal AI breaker look like? Alias/Breach/Passport in one? Something that works like Knight or Femme Fatale?

>> No.44442541

>>44442145
Consider Executive Boot Camp, Worlds Plaza and Surat City Grid. They appear to be reviving the Amazon Industrial Grid discount idea, which could be interesting. Turning the shadowy megacorp into an open info dare. You'll lose a fair amount of bluffing potential, but then Weyland hasn't had good bluffing shenanigans in a while. It seems to do work for glacier Weyland, I suppose, so I'm tentatively optimistic.

>> No.44442565

>>44442525

One with high install cost, medium STR, and 3 credits to break 2 subroutines

>> No.44442665

>>44442565
So just straight-up expensive

>> No.44442716

>>44442565
Ugh.

>> No.44442718

>>44442145
NBN: The control archetype will move from T3 to maybe T1.5. Aryabhata Tech enables the entire "Trace Storm" deck archetype and I think will shoot it to T1 easily.

Weyland: No fucking idea.

Jinteki: Does not seem like much is going to change for them. None of their spoiled cards are really deck defining. Their 4-3 has the best chance of effecting their meta.

HB: Bioroids are getting massive love. Jeeves is hugely powerful and will be showing up in most decks likely. Lateral Growth is a massive boost to early game ICE play. Over all most their decks are just going to get better. Some of their new ICE really push the super server focused play with nasty upgrades.

Corp Overall: I think Corp play is going to slow down. Mumbad has a fair number of more control focused cards and I think that will have a big effect on the Runner meta over all.

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Anarch: Mill style play is going to get more options. ICE kill focused decks are getting a little love so I am thinking that "no" Breaker Mill decks are going to become a thing.

Crim: Does not seem to be getting anything really playable. Political Operative is the best spoiled card for them but even then it will be splashed into other decks if it ends up being a major thing.

Shaper: So far we have just seen action compression/utility cards so I am not sure where they are heading with it. The Price of Freedom will likely get space.

Runner Overall: Mostly it feels like Runners are getting cards to deal with Rotation in 2017. Many of the cards we are seeing are alt options to popular cards in the meta right now. I think at most the Runner meta will shift to deal with new control focused Corp decks (mostly NBN).

>> No.44442719

>>44442525
I think Femme Fatale is the criminal AI breaker. Straight up bypass a single piece of ICE.

>> No.44442770

>>44442525
Expensive
Use once per turn
5(+) credits: Bypass a piece of ice

But I think AI and recursion are just not criminal things - are there any non-crim bypass cards?
That seems to be what they got to make up for it, along with expose, maybe (though like AI, there's neutral expose)

>> No.44442794

>>44442525
I'd think something like:
x: Bypass currently encountered ICE. You can not access more then one card during this run.
X is the STR for the ICE plus 2.

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>>44442719

Too bad that, like everything Criminal, she's better in a London Library deck in Shaper.

FFG really hates Criminal and Weyland.

>> No.44442854

>>44442806
Account Siphon and Scorched Earth are why. They front loaded them so hard in Core that they have been scared to do anything with them since then.
They are getting the shit end of the "color pie".

>> No.44442882

>>44442854
>They are getting the shit end of the "color pie".

more like cow pie

>> No.44442931

>>44442882
HA HA HA SO FUNNY 5/7!

>> No.44443004

>>44442882
I don't get it.

>>44442770
Hell no, that's kinda shit. Crims need to stop getting expensive shit.

>> No.44443028

>>44443004
>I don't get it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cow--pie?s=t

>> No.44443044

Onion Terminal
Criminal - 4 Inf
Hardware - Console
Cost: 6
2[link]
While encountering an ICE you may reduce your link by the STR of the ICE for the rest of the run to bypass it.
Whenever there is a successful trace during a run, trash this card.

>> No.44443055

>>44442301
Sunny best Criminal

>> No.44443084

http://www.amazon.com/Android-Netrunner-Kala-Ghoda-Data/dp/B011MIRDGC

In stock on February 29, 2016.
Order it now.
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Only 2 more months of shit meta boys!

>> No.44443104

>>44443084
>Only 2 more months of shit meta boys!

oh boy I fucking love DLR solitaire

>> No.44443113

>>44443084
What, you think Mumbad is going to change the meta that much?

>> No.44443141

Last night I realized something.
Virus Breeding Ground + Gravedigger (maybe on a progenitor) is a soft DLR.

>> No.44443154

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/29/enter-the-summoners-rift

>FFG partners with Riot Games to bring the League of Legends IP to your table.
>New League of Legends LCG unlike anything we have seen before. Designed for 1v1, 3v3, and 5v5 competitive game play.
>Summoner Packs will come with excursive codes for Skins and other digital content.
>Riot will be hosting the first LOL LCG World Championship in 2018.

>> No.44443173
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>>44442854
>They are getting the shit end of the "color pie".
Honestly, I think the problem is the other way around
Both the criminal and weyland specialities are, in general terms, very good:
Weyland's ice makes them money and criminals get paid for successful runs.
Weyland doesn't have to install new ice, it can just make its existing ice better, while criminals can ignore ice completely with bypassing
Weyland specialise in destroyers, while criminals have some of the best killers in the game
Both sides use denial tactics - derezzing ice can be as bad as destroying it, while weyland uses trashing (and flatling) effects
Criminals can get things without having to run the server its in, and Weyland's idea of a defensive upgrade just straight up doesn't let the runner hit it
Both have a common flaw in expensive cards, but are great at making money
Both have some tutoring, and prefer that to just searching by drawing

All these are strong things, that if given just a few too many better-than-average cards could be ridiculously OP, and as you say, the front loading with some seriously strong cards, which take up huge amounts of influence, doesn't help them - their cards are weak because the things they do are strong

>> No.44443177

>>44443154
Actually, I always thought Conquest looked like LoL in LCG format.

>> No.44443204

>>44443113

Political Operative and Councilman are great for the runner.

That indirectly fucks over NBN (Keegan), Jinteki (Batty, Caprice) and HB (Ash). Weyland... doesn't have the greatest anti-run sysops. Except for the Twins, but whatever.

>> No.44443219

>>44443173
The main problem with buffing ICE is that ICE is just so easy to remove that most the time it is a pointless waste of time.

>> No.44443231

>>44443204
Councilman works on Keegan Lane but Political Operative does not. Same with Batty.

>> No.44443280

>>44443231

Why wouldn't Political Operative, if you already have him installed?

The runner's trash abilities take precedence over the corp's trash abilities during the runner's turn.

Is there something in the timing I'm missing?

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>>44443231
True that, usually when Keegan and Batty are rezzed they are immediatelly trashed. No window for political moves.
Drive-By is still good though.

>> No.44443295

>>44443219

Patch should have been printed "+2 STR, if hosted ice is trashed, deal 2 meat damage to runner." Maybe price it at 1 instead of 0.

>> No.44443327

>>44443280
Yeah, you're missing that the rezzing and abilities all happens in the same window, and it doesn't go back to the runner until the Corp has finished.

>>44443295
That actually sounds great. I don't know if Meat, but something for sure.

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>> No.44443383

>>44443295
I'd even take "Hosted card gets +2 Str and can't be trashed"

>> No.44443425

>>44443173
Yes and no.

>Weyland makes existing ice better and Crims bypass
Advancing ice doesn't have a big enough payoff when ice destruction is so prevalent. The amount of investment for the amount of returns is frankly awful. Criminal bypass is nice, but limited in the form of Inside Job and... Feint? Femme, certainly, but 9c is no joke. Admittedly Femme is really good, and I like it and Inside Job very much, but bypass isn't quite as flexible as it needs to be for optimal effect.

>Weyland destroyers, Criminals killers
I like Weyland's specialisation in destroyers, but apart from Archer, the rest aren't too good. Nebula was a nice try, Lycan was overcosted, Grim isn't even Weyland. I feel like Grim could have been Weyland. As for Crims, the thing is that even the best killers in the game still aren't very good. Faerie's great though, and I'm fond of Mongoose. Mimic dominates in tandem with David or Sharpshooter + Clone Chips.

>denial tactics
Derezzing is cute, but destruction is currently easier and more impactful. It negates the possibility of the Corp regaining their tempo and rezzing again. I guess Weyland's Power Shutdown is pretty good, I'll give them that, but the necessity of trashing R&D hurts.

>Weyland's defensive upgrades
Are practically nonexistent. Off the Grid is superb if you have the money, but if you're behind, it's rubbish. Contrast with Caprice, who is equally good whether you're ahead or behind, and Ash, who is a decent tax when you're behind and gets better the further you pull ahead. Twins could have been more.

>great at making money
This was once true. It no longer isn't.

>tutoring
Shapers tutor better and raw draw better than Crims. Weyland has Atlas, which is great but relies on you being able to overadvance your Atlas to begin with (unless you're Titan).

All in all, they could be better, especially given the raw power being given to the other factions. Just look at Anarchs and NBN.

>> No.44443427

>>44443383
Traps that can't be trashed. Like Universal Connectivity Fee.

Anybody tried a Troll in a Heinlein Grid server?

>> No.44443461

>>44443219
True - and it's the click cost in particular that really sucks

The point I was making is that it would be oh so easy for it to be OP, especially if ice trashing wasn't so big

>> No.44443477

Ok fine.

Chalaavaran
Weyland
Operation: Condition • Cost: 2 • Influence: 5
Install Chalaavaranon a rezzed piece of ice as a hosted condition with the text "Host ice can not be effected by Runner cards."

>> No.44443489

>>44443477
*affected

>> No.44443496

>>44443477
WAIT NO that makes it immune to Ice Breakers...
Fuck ok.
"Host ice can not be trashed by Runner cards"

>> No.44443531

>>44443154
Man FFG has been picking up some strange IP's lately.
I wonder how the game will play. Pick 1-5 Champions, fight at locations, get gear?
I am guess in 1v1 you each play 5 Champs and 5v5 each person plays one.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of such a great IP.

>> No.44443558

>>44443531
>such a great IP.
Right there you went too far anon

>> No.44443884

>>44443425
Somewhat missing my point - it's not that they're things that they do and are good *right now*, it's that those are things that are generally strong, which is part of the reason the actual cards doing those things aren't so great

Clearly, the balance isn't right - just strong effects is no good if the overall card is crap, but the strength of their sections of the "colour pie" is very high (though HB's is probably the best in terms of that on the corp side)

>> No.44444157

>What would you do to make Criminals relevant again?

An AI that forbids you to steal when used, but allows access ?

An AI that allows the corp to rez a card ignoring all costs if used during a run, once the run is over ?

Caïssa like cards that allow you to bypass ICE on which they're hosted, limited by ICE types.

Sneakdoor Beta from remotes, forcing the corp into having strong remotes, or an opened HQ.

>> No.44444230

>>44444157
>Caïssa like cards that allow you to bypass ICE on which they're hosted, limited by ICE types.
I like the sound of that one.

>> No.44444280

>>44444157
What about an AI that only allows you to access cards that have been revealed/exposed this turn.

>> No.44444460

>>44444280

Resource Connection Unique
Once per run, you may bypass a piece of ICE previously exposed in the turn.

I love the idea of giving expose a secondary use/power.

>>44443383

I think trashing prevention would be stronger than the damages.

>> No.44444599

>>44444230
>>44444157
I think a requirement to have broken the ice on the turn you install it might make such a program more balanced - a big cost would also do the job, though that's a less attractive option - perhaps limited use, through counters or trash-to-use?

I think "install only on a [ice type] only after breaking all the subroutines of that ice during a single encounter this turn" would work well with the Cloud breakers and Grappling Hook

>> No.44444716

>>44443425
>This was once true. It no longer is.

Been playing Spark Agency a lot before my my thankfully soon to been ended involuntary Netrunner abstinence month, and it made me think about something.

It seems to me not only, as I've been saying since the Genesis cycle and I think it still holds, Weyland's taxing game isn't up to par - which I was originally OK with, given it was more NBN shtick in Core, Wyland is sometimes even struggling right now to *make* money when compared to other corps.

We've reached the point where almost anything you might want to do with Weyland from a strategic standpoint, you can do better with other corps really. Especially NBN. But not limited.

What does Weyland still have right now? Rush? but then those are still almost influence neutral really... Some glacier builds I guess?

There are bits and pieces of interesting builds that *are* Weyland, but still nothing conclusive by a conjunction of missing pieces and overcautious card design I would say.

>> No.44444723

Oh boy you guys are in from some amazing times in Mumbad.

In the first pack.

Ganesha Network - Weyland Agendas
3 - 1
Installed ICE can not be targeted by non-Icebreaker runner cards.

>> No.44444778

>>44444723

Nice try.

>> No.44444895

>>44444716

I'm a bit unfair in my estimation I guess. Some dedicated builds I've been literally rolling in Weyland credits, if keeping fair.

But that's the kickers really; those have been decks that were *all* about making money.

>> No.44445357

>>44444723
Even if it was real it'd be trash. You'd need to find it and score it before you can really even start doing anything in a deck based around it.
Scoring 3-1s is just about the hardest thing to do in this game so fuck dat, fuck you, fuck FFG, fuck my mom who won't let me ride the bus to events, fuck all of this, imma kill myself.

>> No.44446275

I'm so in love with that idea of using Batty + Architect to install ICE and/or Edge of Worlds a 4.3 during a run.

Need to try and build an IG version of that.

>> No.44446355

>>44446275
I wonder with all the new Psi cards (pushing us to 11) we are getting in Mumbad Cycle we will see a working Nisei Division: TNG deck.

>> No.44446508

>>44446355

Depends what you mean by working.

Competitively? I don't think so, or if happens, it will because of complementary cards that probably *won't* be PSI themselves.
The PSI cards are pretty decent too good in general I find, but they go in several different directions design wise.

If you mean working in able to win games decently well as long as you know to pilot it, I think it's about there already.

If you mean playable right now,

>> No.44446541

>>44446508

Uh?

Either something is wrong or I could really use some sleep. Or both.

>> No.44446629

>>44446508
Are you the stroke dude from last thread?

>> No.44446820

>>44443427
Troll + Heinlein is pretty funny, but not super effective.

>> No.44446840

>>44444157
>An AI that forbids you to steal when used, but allows access ?

Easy combo with Film Critic.

>> No.44446914

>>44446840
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>> No.44447294

>>44446840

Good call.

>>44446629

Nope.

>>44446914
Oh god! It's contagious!

>> No.44447418

>>44446914
Film Critic is pretty insane. It's surprising more people don't play it. There are ways to play around it I guess though.

>> No.44447477

>>44447418
>That card is the Runner aoiweronsdoiweoiwefn articatic fuckinweifcnsvdfeorner toifointasdhefwef[pwefn and fuck ietnwoepinfwefksdfskeiwefb fuck fuck nuinwedmfsdkfjuck ugicskdokokeied^

For those who can't tell this is Kromiagoi, a language from middle Africa.

It says something like: This card is the runner version of Architect, great in it's own right and fucks so many decks that it fucks anyone that wants to fuck around with new ideas.

>> No.44447663

>>44447418

For some weird reason, a lot of people hardly play most counter cards, but their very existence makes it so they don't play the builds being countered either.

>> No.44447782

>>44447663
Netrunner competitive meta is a lot like a wet back stand off. People are all so scared of being countered that no one runs decks that have counters, but people are so scared of being fucked over by no one running the counter-able decks that no one runs the counters to counter them. So then you get people like Dan "The Man who Fucks" D'argenio who just rolls in with a well known easy to counter deck and shoots people down left and right.

>> No.44448001

The hide against RP, and Fisk Investment Seminal do. Astrobiotics, so just.

This easily my favorite Close 4 decks.

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>> No.44448069

Ok, I'm a bit conflicted here, what happens if you fire Bullfrog's subroutine from a Wormhole?

If I understand it right, as per the subroutine dictates, the Bullfrog is moved around, and so is the runner?

>> No.44448109

>>44448069
Wormhole moves, the run ends. Text the effecting the run ends. Text to Bullfrog, and that fragrances out to affect. So Wormhole moves to affect. So Wormhole moves to Bullfrog, and triggering the runner moves to affecting that fragrances out that fragrances self comes self comes out the effect. So Wormhole moves to Bullfrog, and that fragrances out the runner moves, the card the card the run ends. Text that fragrances out to Bullfrog, and triggering the effecting the run ends. Text the run ends.

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>>44448001
>this post
wew fucking lad.

>> No.44448259

>>44448229
I think bots are trying to invade Netrunner...

>> No.44448285

>>44448001
>>44448109

Not only is it contagious, it's evolving.

I say it's time to let Apex lose.

>> No.44448305

>>44447782
Dan's a pretty good player. He's one worlds twice by literally 1 credit each time. At least last year he championed his own deck. This year was basically just copy DLR Val and Foodcoats, tightest play wins.

Also, >>44444444 happened at some point. Pay tribute.

>> No.44449436

>>44444723
>targeted

Nice try.

>> No.44449961

>>44442304
I'd hate to see you go, but to me it just seems that the other corps are just getting better versions of Weyland cards (Rec Studio for instance).

>> No.44450013

>>44444157
>What would you do to make Criminals relevant again?

elect Trump

>> No.44450330

>>44449961
>Rec Studio for instance
So fucking salty about that - at least it's in the last pack.
That, HB getting another transaction, which benefits EtF as much as BABW (and goes with a kind of dumb theme but w/e), and NBN getting so much stuff (4 cards in the last pack, including an ID and and FIRS, and 7 other known cards already) is enough to make Weyland players justifiably salty

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https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/16/tap-the-network/

Oh cool, more Android fiction, let's take a look...

>Monitor - Leigh Alexander

FML

>about 3 college graduates being activists
>she's writing lore about JHow
>"According to the program description, he was slated to help the Sunshine Junction Friends teach Dinosaurus about cyberbullying."

She's literally the Felicia Day of Netrunner.

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>>44449961
>Rec Studio for instance
So fucking salty about that - at least it's in the last pack.
That, HB getting another transaction, which benefits EtF as much as BABW (and goes with a kind of dumb theme but w/e), and NBN getting so much stuff (4 cards in the last pack, including an ID and and FIRS, and 7 more of their cards are known already) is enough to make Weyland players justifiably salty

>> No.44450422

>>44450382
She is fucking the CEO of FFG. What do you expect?
How do you think she also got the ok to write a short story for X-Wing's new starter box?

>> No.44450480

>>44450422
Wait I thought she was fucking Quintin Smith, does she ever close her fucking legs?

>> No.44450582

>>44450480
She fucks anything that will give her status or buy her a drink.

>> No.44451727

>>44450382

You're a bit late on that one.

At least hopefully the Reina story will be good.

>>44449961
>to me it just seems that the other corps are just getting better versions of Weyland card

Even for niche cards. See Cybernetics Court vs Research Station.

>> No.44451840

I'm extremely new to Netrunner - I have 1x Core, What Lies Ahead, Mala Tempora, and Cyber Exodus (I liked the look of Reina and Chaos Theory)

I've pretty much only focused on Runner, and my wife has been playing Corp. To prepare for playing other people, we're going to switch roles. I think I like the look of Jinteki, because of bluffs/traps. What's the best add-on to make them functional, or do I already have enough to make something work?

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>>44451840
I remember when me and my dog started playing. Good times.
>What's the best add-on to make them functional, or do I already have enough to make something work?
Probably Honor and Profit. If you want bluff and traps there's no better than that box. Although I always recommend buying Creation and Control first because it overhauls the entire shaper paradigm, along with bringing recursion to every faction.

>> No.44452151

>>44451840
All corps crave the Jacksons, also Celebrity Gift is an amazing econ card if you can use it properly so Opening Moves would add a lot of versatility, especially if you decide to try another corp and end up liking it more (I drift from corp to corp myself).

>> No.44452975

>>44451840
>What's the best add-on to make them functional

Mushin No Shin in the expansion Honor & Profit

>> No.44453136

>>44450382
Who is Felicia Day?

>> No.44453200
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>>44453136
>Felicia Day

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>> No.44453290

>>44453243
This is Netrunner dude. Progressive status matters more then anything.

>> No.44453359

>>44453290

I like to call it "virtue signalling"

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44453500

>>44453359
Netrunner really matters for how it is reshaping the social image of table top gamers.
We NEED games like this in the world. THIS IS THE STUFF THAT MATTERS!

>> No.44453617

>>44453200
Um. So she's a Puritan gamer?

>> No.44453654

>>44453243
I like how the comment tries to be progressive but is completely insulting.

>gay older woman, who is also a mom, YET remains a total badass
>because gay people become shit when they have kids

>> No.44453727

>>44453617
More of a nerd slut that does that SJW thing of calling gamers creepy and anything sex related in gaming bad. Your standard "Looking at girls other then me is sexist!" shit.

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>>44442133
There is no conspiracy to make traditional games politically correct. Characters in fiction and gaming communities simply change with respect to the latest cultural values. But you fedora-tipping cancerous fucks always blame imaginary SocJus boogeymen when people start hating you for the shit that you do. As long as you continue to refuse act like decent human beings, people will keep noticing.

But of course, you will keep blaming imaginary "SJWs", "poseurs" and "normies" when you the public hates you for the scum you are. And let's not even get started on how you all react to games becoming more popular and easily accessible.

>> No.44456873

>>44456803
Enough with this copypasta.

>> No.44456937

>>44456803
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DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again _^ hehe…toodles!!!!!

love and waffles,

t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

>> No.44459972

I have no idea what's happening here. Is this normal?

>> No.44459994

>>44459972
No, it's shitheads doing shithead things with shitty copypastas.

>> No.44460011

>>44459994
Sounds like something that could still be an ever present problem in Android Universe.

>> No.44460177

>>44460011
Man, Brutus and Secundus would write shit on the walls of houses they visited in ancient Rome, and the lineage of shitheads doing shithead things with shitty copypastas has carried through today. I'm pretty damn confident that it would still be an ever present problem in any cyberpunk universe.

>> No.44460437

>>44460011
>Political Graffiti
Anarchs confirmed for shitposters

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>>44460437

My thoughts exactly.

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>>44460437
This is known.

>> No.44461248

>>44460947

I'm going to have 3 of these, 3 Deja Vu, 3 Incubator, and 3 Fester

and call my deck Uncle Lester the Fester Master

>> No.44461514

>>44461248

No clot ?

Unrelated, but I'm kinda liking Clairvoyant Monitor in a deck with Wormhole.

>> No.44461547

>>44461514
>No clot ?


Good idea, frenchfag

>> No.44461638

>>44461547

Francophone.

>> No.44461860

http://stimhack.com/a-horizontal-approach-to-the-weyland-problem-by-brian-williams/

This is about as great an example as I could give about the Weyland problem of giving "neutral builds".

This is someone trying to build a "competitive Weyland deck". Only 33 point of influence spent on 18 Weyland cards.

>> No.44462558

>>44461860
Yeah, I have a similar deck out of Haarp with a lot of high value targets. And my Next design was the same really.

>> No.44462630

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/30/never-deal-with-a-dragon

>FFG has bought the rights to Shadowrun from Topps.
>They will be publishing a new 6th edition of Shadowrun and expanding the IP into other products.
>Plans to revive the old Shadowrun CCG into a new LCG.
>Will release alongside L5R at Gencon 2017.

>> No.44463381

>>44462630
Out of all of them to end up true this one had to be it...

>Shadowrun with FFG's dice system
Please no.

>> No.44463417

>>44442133

yo guys I haven't been getting into this game yet but thinking of trying it out

what's the joke with working extra to buy cards tho? I thought the LCG concept kept it affordable? like no market for rare and expensive cards?

>> No.44463464

>>44463417
Promos, mats, cases, etc.
Netrunner is all about the S-W-A-G.

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>>44453136

>in b4 "Netrunner Players are dead. Netrunner Players don't have to be your audience"
>in b4 FFG exclusively panders to SJWs who would never pick up the game in the first place
>in b4 pic related

>> No.44465910

>>44465761
Don't you remember the Stimhack oppression wars?

>> No.44465929

>>44465910
do tell...

>> No.44466038

>>44465929
They deleted the thread but it came down to a bunch of event managers in the EU banning white males from any ANR Pro Circuit events since they made women and PoC feel unsafe.

Then some dude claimed he was felt his wife was raped by some dude hitting on her during the down time at a match (she was too scared to just say she was with someone and ask him to go away I guess) and it just blew up.

Then ANR Pro Circuit released a new set of floor rules that more or less told white men to not interact with anyone or get kicked out.

>> No.44466065

>>44466038
Not entirely true but close to the heart of what went on.
Here is the main thread about it:
http://forum.stimhack.com/t/a-night-at-netrunner-or-that-one-guy/4557

It was closed/removed for a little but the mods brought it back after people bitched.

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>>44466065
fucking cringe

>> No.44466346

>>44466305
Those right there are the "leaders" of our community.

>> No.44466371

>>44466346
Is it too late to back out? I hard ASHES: Rise of the Phoenixborn isn't too shit.

>> No.44466402

>>44466371
If only that was true. Ashes falls apart the moment you try doing any deck building.

Amazing as a cube draft game but just fails bad as constructed.

>> No.44466445

>>44466065
>http://forum.stimhack.com/t/a-night-at-netrunner-or-that-one-guy/4557

Oh yes the micro-aggression thread.

I really hope that SJW bullshit dies with 2015.

>> No.44466490

>>44466065
Shit like this reminds me why I only date Asians.
They don't get sucked into all this bullshit. When did some random fucks feelings start to matter more then having fun in gaming?

>> No.44466497

>>44466445
It won't, not unless there's some shitty game they can all be offloaded to.

>> No.44466504

>>44465910
>>44465929
>>44466038
>>44466065
>>44466305
>>44466346
>>44466371
>>44466402
>>44466445
>>44466490
STOP NOW!
Last time ANRG was purged on sight for weeks when we went down this path.

WE ARE FIND WITH SOCIAL JUSTICE HERE! HEAR THAT MODS!? WE ARE OK WITH ALL THAT STUFF HERE! DO NOT PURGE US!

>> No.44466903

>>44466504
Shitlords kill another thread. Why do they hate other peoples feelings so much.

>> No.44468091

Any cool NBN stuff in World of Android? I don't think I'll get my hands on one in awhile but really wanna hear about my fave Corp.

>> No.44468165

>>44468091
NBN is owned entirely by women and only hires women for content makers.
Jackson was born a women and pre-op transgender.

Their main goal is to ensure that media is progressive and that men don't rise to power again.

>> No.44468310

Seriously guys, I don't tell this enough, fuck you.

Way to kill the mood.

>> No.44468361

>>44460947
This card is useless in decks that run archer or corporate town isn't it?

>> No.44468405

>>44468361
This card is useless VS 90% of decks. At WORST they spend 3 clicks to remove it after they have scored 7 points.

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>>44468361
>that run archer or corporate town
I think you misread it the same way I did - you add it TO an agenda (by hosting it), not add it AS an agenda

It's basically inflicting the effect of pic related on one agenda in the corp area, which can be removed by purging

>> No.44468768

okay second time's the charm: Any cool NBN stuff in World of Android? I don't think I'll get my hands on one in awhile and want to hear more about yellow.

>> No.44468857

>>44468768
>NBN is owned entirely by women and only hires women for content makers.
>Jackson was born a women and pre-op transgender.
>Their main goal is to ensure that media is progressive and that men don't rise to power again.

He was not kidding about this.

>> No.44468866

>>44468405

That's giving you one full turn respite to try and turn tide. I wouldn't say it's insanely powerful, but it's not trivial either.

>>44468605

Yeah, I don't think people are suddenly going to forfeit their two or three pointers just because they're hosting this.

>>44468768

I'm sad to say, with delivery cost going for more than the book itself, I didn't pick the preorder.

Hopefully someone that did has something to share.

>> No.44468998

>>44468857
While that sounds lovely it's kind of impossible to ignore all the straw. So unless you want to get these threads to be shut, please stuff it in your pie-hole.

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>>44468866
>with delivery cost going for more than the book itself, I didn't pick the preorder
Same, I know it was a special edition thing with the posters and mat and everything, but the shipping to anywhere outside of the US was atrocious

>>44468768
Today I think you will struggle for an answer with that one, and none of the preview excerpts of the book I have concern NBN
The best I can do for NBN info is the D&D flavour insert (there was also a fair bit of info in the FFG article on SYNC)

>> No.44469452

YES!

Best news of the month, stealth Netrunner improvised tournevent for new year's eve.

Need to make some new decks for the occasion.

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>>44469452
>Need to make some new decks for the occasion.
Tell us about them

As you play into the new year, do you plan to score pic related?

>> No.44470051

>>44469968

Ohhhh... nice one. Still at ID elimination phase right now.

Ideas welcome.

>> No.44470767

>>44468605
From what I understand, it doesn't reduce the agenda point value of what it's hosted on like The Board, it flat out sets it to -1.

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>>44470767
>it flat out sets it to -1.
That makes more sense - and makes it slightly better too.
Still not great though

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>>44470051
What did you pick?

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>>>>>>
How was your last match of the year /tg/?


My last match of the year was a friendly match between my Quetzal Faust and Grail Chronos Protocol against ADAM and Foodcoats. Pretty cool match to end the year, very close both of them.
Some highlights.
My turntable wasn't needed but I was ready to swap any GFI he managed to score. Faust along with 2 early Spoilers I installed that got me a couple trashed agendas from R&D carried me to victory. The other 2 agendas were liberated by painstakingly going through a 4-5 deep server made with ABT, thrice. (First time was an aggressive secretary that trashed a early Medium). Turing, Heimdall, and Ichi among others. God bless D4v1d and E3.

Corp side, I completely forgot that Adam players try to mulligan for Public Sympathy, so when first turn I played Targeted Marketing I named Sure Gamble instead of Public Sympathy. My mistake, Good lesson.
Regretably how I set up Batty for Lancelot to trash his Mimic, but mid-way completely forgot about it. He was low on credits so in the end I didn't need to use Batty at all. Managed to score the last Future Perfect when he used Infiltration to peek at the card and then run 3rd click, disabling his Always Be Running perk in the process.

>> No.44474510

>>44472197

Because one has to end the year on a high note... Helium-3 Deposit deck. And Apex.

>> No.44475286

>>44466065
I just read that thread and holy shit. Holy shit. Literally a whole forum of nitwits getting upset over a dude who doesn't realise that he's being too friendly. And the guy complaining doesn't say anything. And as the thread progresses, we find out that using verbs for Kati is not allowed because of possible innuendo. WHAT. And then bullshit hypocrisy gets pointed out, and the response is that women are marginalised, others are not. Fuck that. Women don't play Netrunner because they're not interested in it or they've never heard of it. Not because they think they'll get hit on during Netrunner night. Just make it clear you're not up for getting hit on! Lordy Lou, the amount of bullshit in that thread makes me want to puke.

>> No.44475564

>>44475286

To think you could have spent that time building an Helium-3 Deposit deck...

>> No.44475658

>>44475564
The regrets are real. What did you put in that deck? Quicksand I presume? Data Ravens? Mamba? Docklands Crackdown?

>> No.44475854

>>44475658

Gagarin with Docklands,Quicksand IT Department and one Draco.

The jank is real. Given I'm the only one that won't be at least half-drunk, I think that's a fair handicap.

>> No.44475972

>>44475286
>Dirty Laundry and Notoriety are hypersexualised

>> No.44475975

Tollbooth:

When the runner encounters tollbooth, he or she must bay 3 reds, if able.


Pay the "bank" or pay the corp?

I'm arguing it goes to the corp, my friend says the bank. I've looked online at other forms and the consensus seems to be it goes to the "bank". Are those people also correct?

>> No.44476433

>>44475975

Yup, money goes to the bank.

>> No.44476526

>>44475975
Unless specified, all costs paid are to the bank.

Otherwise ELP would give the Corp can extra click.

Admittedly Tollbooth isn't a 'cost' per se, but the point is that whenever you pay or lose creds, it goes to the bank.

>> No.44476572

>>44476433
>>44476526
okay thanks guys

I'm new and wasn't quite sure what the default is since tollbooth didn't specify.

>> No.44477817

>>44475972
dont want to offend all those sensitive christians

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>>44473079
My friend and I are both still new to the game, and all we've got is the core and the first two deluxe expansions. I was running as Ken Tenma, versus Harmony Medtech. My opening hand was:
Early Bird
Dirty Laundry
Daily Casts
Legwork
Theophilius Bagbiter

I decided to throw caution to the winds and play everything. Early bird to run on R&D (didn't help), got the credit back because of Ken Tenma's ability. Dirty laundry run on a remote server that turned out to be an upgrade that I couldn't afford to trash. After that I played daily casts, followed by a Legwork run on HQ. Harmony Medtech chose (or maybe couldn't afford) to rez the ice, so the run was successful and I got to access 3. If I remember correctly, the first card was Shi.Kyuu, and I had to take the negative point. The next card was House of Knives, so that balanced out Shi.Kyuu. The third card was an ice or something. Finally, with my last 3 credits I played Theophilius Bagbiter. That left me with zero cards, zero credits, zero max hand size, and zero points.

I still won.

>> No.44481048

>>44479545
I'm thinking that I'm terrified of playing Bagbiter and then get Closed Accounts and lose everything.
But why nobody plays Closed Accounts anymore? Is it because it's all drug dealer money anyway?

>> No.44481070

>>44481048
I think it's because killing the Runner is always more profitable than just closing their bank accounts. Which is kind of sad.
I personally do play closed accounts in my Haarpsichord deck.

>> No.44481307

So, I really want the Day Job playmat and I'm willing to stop playing jank for it. I'll start the 2016 league with Fastrobiotics, but what Runner should I play? I don't intend to play DLR Val or PPvP Kate. Maybe Noise?

>> No.44481369

>>44481307
Let me get this straight, you're trying to get first place in a league playing a 2014 archetype that relies heavily on topdecking back when Clot wasn't a thing? You'd be better off with haapr butchershop, since the pressure is real; or Foodcoats, because denying points while creating heavily taxing servers is really the way to go.

Also yes, Noise is always a solid choice. But keep in mind how is your meta.

>> No.44482389

>>44481369
Tbh I'm not considering Foodcoats cos I spent a month and a half with it prepping for Nationals. Kinda sick of it. My meta is pretty jank, which is why I wasn't too concerned about Clot. Haarp Butchershop might be okay, but there's so much meat damage protection I feel like speeding up is the better option in case they expect me to kill.

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>>44479545
>I still won.
Nicely done

>> No.44482713

>>44482389

There's always ebay.

>> No.44483147

Wireless Net Pavillion goes unique, and a bunch of cards costs extra influence for all runners. WHAT'S THIS SHIT? A SHAPER CAN'T PLAY ALL 3 CLONE CHIPS WITHOUT GETTING THEIR INFLUENCE SHAT ON?
This fuck over my Kit decks SO HARD.

>> No.44483160

>>44483147

And Crims gets kicked down AGAIN.

>> No.44483378
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Wireless Net Pavillon erratad to unique

Effective February 1st:
Each copy of a card from the list below reduces an Identity’s influence limit by 1 when included in a deck.
An Identity’s printed influence limit cannot be reduced below 1.
This reduction occurs even if the card matches the Identity’s faction.

Runner:
Cerberus “Lady” H1 (Lunar Cycle, #099)
Clone Chip (Creation & Control, #038)
Desperado (Core Set, #024)
Parasite (Core Set, #012)
Pre-Paid Voice PAD (Spin Cycle, #029)
Yog.0 (Core Set, #014)

Corp:
Architect (Lunar Cycle, #061)
AstroScript Pilot Program (Core Set, #081)
Eli 1.0 (Genesis Cycle, #110)
NAPD Contract (Spin Cycle, #119)
SanSan City Grid (Core Set, #092)

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>> No.44483635

>>44483147

Source or GTFO?

Or something.

>> No.44483678

>>44483635
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/de/bb/debb8a85-d0db-40d7-8b62-be12260f2fa7/adn_tournament_rules_v302.pdf

Welcome to our new hell.

>> No.44483679

>>44483147
I think you'll find NO ONE can play 3 clone chips without getting their influence fucked. Also top-fucking-kek at Professor not being able to use Lady, Parasite or Yog.0

>> No.44483691

>>44483679
Professor is untouched. Influence can't go below 1.

>> No.44483708

>>44483678
Also:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/31/napd-security-upgrades/

More or less they are not limiting cards but they are effectively rising the Inf cost of a bunch of cards by 1 but in a way that it effects all factions.

>> No.44483716

>>44483691
Exactly, meaning you can't include something that would take it below 1.

>> No.44483751

>>44482713
Wot?

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>>44483716
That's not correct.

>> No.44483770

>>44483378
>>44483147
I get the feeling that this won't stop so much Val. But it's certainly fair. It gets closer to Anatomy of Anarchy. More taxing too.
Let's think how this affect the other archetypes. For instance Noise will have to either let go those clone chips, or those parasites. I don't know.

>> No.44483773

>>44483678

No mention of Wireless Net Pavillion. No Errata.

I'm *really* amazed at no datasucker on that Appendix.

>> No.44483812

>>44483708
What the fuck.

>> No.44483817

>>44483678
-6 inf if you run 3 Clonechips and 3 Parasites.
This entirely changes how I value ICE.

NBN FA is hit fairly hard but I think it will just push people into tag based Psychographics decks over Biotic Labor decks.

Eli 1.0 will likely not see play much anymore. It is just not worth 3 effect inf in most decks. It does rise the value of NEXT ICE in HB as well.

Overall I think the biggest deal is Clone Chip. It is such a core card to so many Runner decks that losing it will change things massively. Might even make Rig Killer decks better.

All in all this is a huge change to the meta and i am loving it.

>> No.44483818

Is the board getting jammed or something?

>> No.44483827

>>44483770
NEH Butchershop, RP are barely affected, but every single runner got pretty badly gutted.

>> No.44483882

>>44483817
I agree completely, the lack of good recursion options is a huge change, especially now that Shapers will be coming back to Corroder. Keegan is a nightmare.

>> No.44483883

>>44483773
Check the latest Faq, 301.

>> No.44483899

>>44483827
RP has been dead for awhile and is getting even more counter cards next cycle.

Butchershop is hardly as bad the FA decks and there are already decent counters to it in the pool. Also more counters coming next cycle.

>> No.44483919

>>44483817
>All in all this is a huge change to the meta and i am loving it.

Yeah, I'm liking this at first sight. Kinda weirded out about Lady being in there.
The card is good. I just don't think Parasite or Clone Chip good.

And, again, Datasucker not being there. Oh well, I guess they did their maths.

>> No.44484048

>>44483883

Thanks. Search engine was pointing me to the old version of the FAQ for some reason.

Oh well, food for thought, time for new year's eve event !

>> No.44484423

>>44483769
That makes no sense. If a card takes you below 1, you include it anyway? What?

>> No.44484537

>>44484423
It does make sense, you're just thinking about the rule backwards. It's a limit on when to apply the restriction, not another restriction.

>> No.44484567

>>44483817
I'm glad this kind of shoves recursion back over to Anarch, maybe Trope will see some play now. Also predicting a lot of Professors having a mid-life crisis and becoming a woman halfway through the game once Rebirth hits.

>> No.44484630

>>44483899
>Complaining about RP
>Not using Employee Strike
>the current year

>> No.44484647

>>44483899
meant to be
>>44483827

>> No.44484857

>>44484537
That's what I'm saying, you apply the rule while you can, but when you reach the bottom, just say "fuck it, all in".
Say, Kit with 3 clone chips, 3 lady, 3 PPVP gets her printed influence down to 1. At this point, if she includes Yog her printed influence gets down to 0, only that it doesn't, it remains 1, enough to include that Yog.

>> No.44485531

>>44484857
That's pretty cool - not amazing, Kit (and a lot of other IDs, shapers especially) is getting fucked there, but it's interesting to note

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>>44483817
So this is the nerf to insta-parasite - it makes your influence cry like a bitch.

I like it - not sure all of them were completely necessary (San San, for example), but it doesn't seem like a terrible way to do it

Also, the Professor needs some kind of recognition that he, alone of all the runners, does not give a flying fuck about the "NAPD most wanted list"

Also WNP being unique makes me oh so happy - no more paying a shitton just to knock out a single Fall Guy

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>no caprice

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>>44486102
At 4 influence she's okay as she is - Jinkeki get her because their ice is swiss cheese (especially with Eli and Architect on the list), but everyone else has to sacrifice a lot of inf for her

San San might have been a bit excessive, but with all the 2/1s and 3/2s in NBN I can just about see the need

>> No.44486467

>NOOB QUESTION
im playing as corp against my friend and he runs my R&D. He pulls a snare!. I then go to do my net damage to him (i think thats its effect?) and he tells me that he wants to trash it. Who gets priority here?

I told him that it would only make sense for me to have it here because it has an effect specifically for that situation. But he tells me that it has a trash cost, and there's no reason to have if he wasn't able to do it.

>> No.44486603

>>44486467
Ambushes immediately occur on access so long as the corp can fulfil the requirements of the trigger. Otherwise they would be literally pointless, as they all have low to 0 trash costs.

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>>44479545
Reporting in again. I removed crypsis and a few other cards from my deck, so I'm very light on icebreakers. I also dropped Theophilius because it's never been beneficial. Pic related is what I'm currently running. I'm sure it's lacking hugely in some area, but with only one person to play against it's hard to tell.

>> No.44486764

>>44486603
ok cool, that makes more sense than what I told my friend. thx bruh

>> No.44487125

>>44486764
Also bear in mind prevent effects are also the exception to the usual 'Active player's effects happen first' rule. "Prevent" effects are retroactive and can be used during the other player's train of paid effects.

>> No.44487641

My sides at all the butthurt over at plebbit upset that Damon 'has-the-Stones' curbed some serious bullshit that has been rife for a long time.

>> No.44488389

>>44486752
I see what you're aiming for in your breaker suite. All keep their strength for the duration of a run, so you don't have to boost them twice for the same strength during a run.
Problem is, they are all pretty expensive to boost to begin with. So you must be having a hard time keeping your econ afloat.
Cloak is an odd choice. You're not playing stealth, so this is a recurring credit just for the sake of it. Personally I'd use cyberfeeders instead, it's also less influence.
A single console is also not common, usually you want 2-3 consoles to see it as soon as possible.
Same Old Thing is also common to replay any event in your heap (ahem account siphon ahem inside job).

>> No.44488948

I am kind of annoyed that they hit both Astro and SanSan.
I thought fast advance was already outmatched by buttchershop?

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V I A B L E
I
A
B
L
E

>> No.44489076

>>44488948
Meat Damage decks already have good counters in the meta. Now that we don't have as many auto includes like Clone Chip and Parasite people will run them again.

>> No.44489105

>>44483817
>Might even make Rig Killer decks better.

Given the state of recursion in some factions, I'm not sure this is a good thing.

>> No.44489122

>>44488389
I'm a bit nervous about Same Old Thing because it takes a lot of clicks to use.

>> No.44489520

>>44489105
Crim is the only one that has massive issues in faction. Anarch has Daja Vu and Trope.

>> No.44489555

>>44488948
Wasn't that more Butchershop being just a little better, not FA being countered by what the runner was doing?

Also, as >>44489076 points out, there are fairly good meat damage counters around

>> No.44489883

I am just happy to stop seeing 3 Architect in all decks.

>> No.44490934

>>44443154
Yeah you fucking wish, cockgobbler

>> No.44491301

>>44483919
Lady has no business being there. It can't stand on its own and you will either need to recur it or fish for another one over the course of the game, on top of a 4 install cost.

Are you fucking kidding me.

Trying to make shittier cards playable by hurting the good cards isn't the best way to encourage more card diversity imo. Now that the rotation has been declared, they could just print better cards to get ready for the cycling out of older cards. Something about having to "pay' influence for in-faction cards seems kinda dumb too, especially considering how signature to a faction some of these cards are, like Desperado or Parasite.

>> No.44491573

>>44491301
Shaper has no business having the best barrier breaker. Quit being butthurt that someone kicked your sandcastle.

>> No.44492128

Good Stuff Andy seems to not have been hit.
Are we going back to the 2013/2014 meta?

>> No.44492159

>>44492128
no

>> No.44492238

>>44492128

Desperado is on the list, which is pretty bad even if it does 'encourage' the use of other consoles.

>> No.44492438

>>44492238
BOX-E is not awful and can be used for a fair number of decks. But over all I think Andy might be worth looking at again.

>> No.44492486

>>44492438
especially with Rebirth coming up later on

>> No.44493499

>>44491573
Battering Ram was here before Lady. It might be not "2 to install, 1 MU", but it breaks consecutives barriers only second best to Morning Star. It ties in breaking costs with Corroder for all except gearcheck barriers, and you can just play Inti for that.

Lady is just like Battering Ram. It fills a niche and requires support to work properly. And we all know that Shaper is the toolbox faction with a program for every niche.

So yes, Shaper has business having the best barrier breaker in this case.

>> No.44493803

Parasite being fucked at least makes all those other ICE killer cards more interesting to look at.

Architect seeing less play also means that Apex will get a fair boost in power.

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>2015
>End of an Age
>Account Siphon still not nerfed
I can only dance the dance of broken men.

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>>44494036

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>>44494063
Netrunner image macros?

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>>44494112

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>>44494137

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>>44494176

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>>44494245

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>>44494270

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>>44494283
please temp ban me. I am drunk and can't stop shit posting.

>> No.44494388

Okay, so apparently the whinefest in Stimhack is now bitching about Security Nexus. How is this card ever a problem?

>> No.44494453

>>44494388
I have been facing it a fair bit on Jinteki.net. It is much better then you'd think at first. Get a little link and it is like a better free inside job. Mix it with something like Faust and and drip Econ (since you are running link anyways) and it is fairly strong.

>> No.44494536

I like the first steps that FFG has made to move the game from being a Pilot only game to having some room for great deck builders.
Dealing with the new restrictions and making higasiopjnhwegfpoijnwef;ion
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decks will be something that really allows high level deck designers to shine.

>> No.44494616

>>44473079
>How was your last match of the year /tg/?

Last game of the year; Kit vs Helium-3 Gagarin, lost on a 6 cards deep dig with two agendas. Expected, but disappointing (weirdly, my best match up of the night was against Valencia, which I actually beat twice).

Then Next vs Apex. One of the most fun I've had in a while. Corp started with 3 ICE in hand, managed to score an early Accelerated Beta Test with three ICE revealed, and then I Apocalypsed. Tight rush match, but I managed to keep the pressure and ended up winning 7-2, with arguably one really lucky score mid game.

All in all, great night very heated but polite debate about the new rulings, with as almost invariably a clear competitive/non-competitive divide.

>> No.44494621

>>44494536
I agree with everything this guy said. Especially that middle part. Cool analysis.

>> No.44494679

>>44494270

Given the history of the /anrg, the fact that they're playing Jyhad/V:TES made me chuckle.

>>44494453
>I have been facing it a fair bit on Jinteki.net. It is much better then you'd think at first.

Given I've been thinking it was very good from the start, you disquiet me.

>> No.44494754

>>44483506
bretty gud image, keeb ub the gud worg

>> No.44494864

>>44494616

By the way, silly rude me: happy new year.

>> No.44495066

Tell me /tg/, am I fucked?

Sunny Lebeau: Security Specialist

Event (6)
3x Infiltration
3x Sure Gamble

Hardware (7)
1x Plascrete Carapace
3x Rabbit Hole •••
3x Security Nexus

Resource (28)
3x Access to Globalsec
3x Daily Casts
3x Data Folding
3x Globalsec Security Clearance
2x Jak Sinclair
2x John Masanori
1x Kati Jones
3x Power Tap •••
2x Sacrificial Construct ••
3x The Supplier ••••• •
3x Underworld Contact

Icebreaker (7)
2x GS Sherman M3
2x GS Shrike M2
1x Inti •
2x ZU.13 Key Master ••••

Program (2)
2x Self-modifying Code ••••• •

25 influence spent (max 25)
50 cards (min 50)
Cards up to Data and Destiny

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

>> No.44495090

>>44473079
Keyhole Val VS PE Jinteki using the NAPD MWL rules.

Had to remove my Desperados but ended up keeping all my Clone Chips and Parasites. Trying Box-E as my replacement.

They got out a early Agenda while I was setting up my DDOS attack. Ended up getting 3 turns of 3-4 Keyhole runs a turn early game. By the time they got RnD locked down it was too late and I just had to do Keyhole Pokes till I loaded up the final Agenda in Archives.

Nothing like seeing the light fade in someones eyes after you make them shuffle for the 6th time.

>> No.44495289

>>44495090
>Trying Box-E as my replacement.
Keyhole? DDoS? Parasites? May I suggest Doppelganger for extra-annoyance? I don't know how much influence you got for it though.

>> No.44495558

>>44495289
2 Box-E cost me 2 inf. That is all I have to spend on consoles (Only spending 9 Inf in the deck after losing 6 to Parasite and Clone Chip's new rule).

It is not really that bad since the MU helps for having more then one Parasite out at once and the hand size is nice for after I blow at Amped Up or two.

This is what it looks like right now:

Valencia Estevez: The Angel of Cayambe

Event (25)
3x Amped Up
3x Blackmail
3x Dirty Laundry
3x Déjà Vu
2x I've Had Worse
3x Inject
3x Queen's Gambit
3x Sure Gamble
2x Wanton Destruction

Hardware (5)
2x Box-E ••
3x Clone Chip ••••• •

Resource (7)
3x DDoS
1x Hades Shard •
3x Same Old Thing

Icebreaker (3)
3x Eater

Program (10)
1x Clot
2x Datasucker
1x Hemorrhage
3x Keyhole
3x Parasite

9 influence spent (max 15)
50 cards (min 50)
Cards up to The Universe of Tomorrow

I tired cutting the Clone Chip but it is just too central to the "Draw it all and let Clone Chip sort it out" play style this deck needs. Losing Desperado sucks MASSIVELY since it allowed me to just go full dick mode on remotes.
I toyed with the idea of Grimoire some and then maybe tossing in 2 Cache or something. But I am not sure if it'd be worth it.

>> No.44495593

Stimhack is calling the new meta "The Stone Age"

>> No.44495687

>>44495593
Stimhack is cancer so

>> No.44495715

>>44495687
>Biggest and best Netrunner community
>Center of the highest level play
>Runs 90% of the non-FFG high level events
>Runs a massive number of online tournaments with cash prizes out of their pocket

OK SURE THEY ARE FUCKING CANCER.

>> No.44495767

>>44495558
Oh, I wasn't dissing Box-E. I love the extra hand and memory, specially along with Faust to keep an even larger hand. I just thought that the extra run might help a lot for Keyholing.

In your case I agree that it synergies nicely with Amped Up. Not sure about Dirty Laundry without Desperado, but it probably helps keeping the pressure.

I have nothing to add to your deck, just that I'll probably try it myself next week because it looks fun. Probably adding Mimics because Architect is too much loved to be dropped just for the extra influence.

>> No.44495786

>>44495715
Stimhack is the worst part of the Netrunner community bruh

>> No.44495860

>>44495786
I thought that was BGG with us in a close 2nt.

If I remember right it went something like:

Stimhack > Something Awful > Jinteki.net's chat room > A steaming pile of shit > Dan "The Man Who Fucks" D'argenio > Reddit > Literal Cancer > Netrunner Podcasts > Those people who upload their at home games to Youtube > The noise made when you stomp of a 4 year leg > /tg/ > BGG.

>> No.44495908

>>44495860
>Dan "Thorin Oakenshield" Digornio not at the very very bottom

terrible

>> No.44496217

>>44495860
Actually I think 'A steaming pile of shit' is at the top.

>> No.44496731

>>44491573
Lady was released to give runners a way to deal with the prevalence of Eli; which was also hit. Lady was a spite nerf; it's not nearly as universal as Clone Chip or Parasite.

If overuse was an issue, WHY NOT HIT SAME OLD THING?

>> No.44497560

>>44475286
>Women don't play Netrunner because they're not interested in it or they've never heard of it. Not because they think they'll get hit on during Netrunner night.

I mean, it does happen. I've seen it happen. It's not Netrunner exclusive by any means, but I do know a good number of women who like to play games, including Netrunner, and just don't go to the local game shop's friday game night because they don't feel like being subject to that kind of attention that night. That shit DOES happen.

And that's just a casual game night. I can only imagine what goes on at the tournament level, where the attendance base tends to be a little more distilled

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>>44468857
>NBN is owned entirely by women and only hires women for content makers.

But...

>> No.44497667

>>44494536
Are you okay?
Do we need to call an ambulance?

>> No.44497691

Considering trying to make my own credit/click/etc. tracker app to get back in the swing of android app development. I've been trying to remember everything that needs to be tracked for each player. So far I've thought of:

Runner:
Max grip, credits, remaining clicks, link, score, tags

Corp:
Max HQ, credits, remaining clicks, score, bad publicity

Am I missing anything?

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I made a deck box

>> No.44498307

>>44497691
brain damage, bad publicity

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>>44498307
That's covered by max grip, and he did say BP

>> No.44498430

>>44498385
I should have specified BP credits on runner side, as they are different than static credits in the credit pool; I suppose brain damage is covered by max grip, depends if they want specific categories or are fine with a general overview.

>> No.44499117

>>44497578
Let me tell you about concept of Strawman, son.

>> No.44499136

>>44498385
Wait a sec, isn't that Tyr's Hand in Fenris's mouth?

>> No.44499138

So what are some must have cards in apex aside from e3 implants?

>> No.44499242

So i heard that something has changed how influence works, anyone knows how it works now?

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>>44499136
Yes it is.
Or should be, mythologically speaking, though the cards don't work together

>> No.44499277

>>44499242
For each card you include from the Most Wanted list, the identity printed influence is reduced by 1.
But no matter what happens, your total influence will never be below 1. Meaning Professor is unaffected.

>> No.44499284

>>44499242
Several cards now have an additional influence cost that penalizes deck's maximum influence by 1 for each included copy. Even in-faction. Really half-assed attempt to fix overused cards.

>> No.44499292

>>44499284
>>44499277
Ok, for a moment i thought that it would be something so stupid as almost all of the cards would be affected.

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>>44499242
There's links in the thread, but I'll sumarise:

There's a list of cards, the NAPD Most Wanted List.
Each copy of a card on the list reduces your influence by 1, to a minimum of 1, before influence is checked, so if the card is out of faction it essentially costs an extra influence, but this also means that in-faction cards can cost influence.

Runner cards are:
Cerberus “Lady” H1
Clone Chip
Desperado
Parasite
Pre-Paid Voice PAD
Yog.0

Corp cards are:
Architect )
AstroScript Pilot Program
Eli 1.0
NAPD Contract
SanSan City Grid

The "to a minimum of 1" rule means the professor gives 0 shits about this and can continue as normal, but PPVP Kate and insta-parasite spam are dead

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Late next cycle I'll bet that at least half of the Professor decks that get made thanks to these rules will slot pic related

>> No.44499622

On insta-parasite archetype (yeah, it went all the way up to be considered an archetype now).
With 3 clone chips, 3 parasites it will effectively cost 12 influence. Add 3 datasuckers and that's 15 flat for shapers.
Anarchs have it a bit harder. Going this way means that it's either Aesop+Cache, or clone chips.

>> No.44499933

>>44499367

Now i'll open up with Andromeda and then i'll play this and REVEAL MY TRUE FORM. As an old retired dude.

>> No.44500148

>>44499933
Nice dub trips dubs.
I know it's presented as kind of spiritual and shit, but I think the two most likely users of rebirth will mostly be going back to the high life leaving their rig to someone that helped them, or will be teaching the ways of running to a someone - probably one of their students at Levy

>> No.44500271

>>44500148

I play Iain Stirling as my prime runner but would definitely not mind being able to switch into his ID and play as an ID that gives me a few more starting influence.

>> No.44501136

Hillariously Most Wanted doesn't hurt my Haley's deck at all.
Unfortunately loosing even 2 influence from my Haarpsichord deck forces me back to the drawingtable.

>> No.44501150

I think I have SanSan City Grid in my HB deck. That's annoying.

>> No.44501191

>Update my Val Keyhole deck to be MWL legal.
>Win a bunch of games on Jinteki VS other people testing MWL decks.
>Each time people say "MWL will murder your deck".

I think people are retarded...
I have had 4 people think that MWL is a ban list and you just can't use Clone Chip or Parasite.

>> No.44501195

>>44501136

Honestly, my biggest difficulty with evaluating the influence of the MWL is not so much how it impacts my lists directly as much as how it will impact the lists it will face.

Sure, the list doesn't force me to change any card of, say, my Faust builds, but then the alterations in ICE composition the list can trigger might change the value proposition of the builds anyway.

That being said, we're still in discussion about whether we'll implement the list for club play. No is winning so far, and I hope it comes to pass.

On an unrelated note, I find it hilarious to see people bitching about Security Nexus after all the claims of it being unplayable over-costed shit when it was released.

>> No.44501355

All in all, I think poor Exile got hit hard when he was the runner least deserving of a nerf.

>> No.44501551

>>44501355
Indeed. Be it Lady, Clone Chip, and parasites, his influence got a pretty big hit. Even if his main recursion would come from Test Run and Scavenges.

>> No.44502263

>>44501355
It's not like anyone was playing Exile anyway.

>> No.44502315

>>44502263

Yeah, better to kick them when they're down, you never now, people might be daring to play them.

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>>44502315

>> No.44504622
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I'm worried about Damon nerfing strategies instead of cards. This is coming from more of a videogames background but all this does is stifle the game into cookie cutter builds that the designer approves of, rather than actually tackling problem cards.
The +1 inf to astroscript and the WNP change are the only parts i can agree with.

>>44502315
A guy in our meta was planning to play Dumpster Gamble at store champs.

>> No.44504822

I really want to hear Lukas' response to the Most Wanted List, but I'm assuming he's under order not to be able to comment on other designers' abilities.

>> No.44505338

>>44504622
>I'm worried about Damon nerfing strategies instead of cards.

On the one hand, I see your point, on the other, for the most part it's not really individual cads but troublesome synergies he has to deal with.

And I really don't know what would be worse, the maiming - up to suppression - of existing cards, or as was done here additional cost to limit them.

>A guy in our meta was planning to play Dumpster Gamble at store champs.

Sad to hear. That's a very neat work in deck building that really didn't deserve to be hit.

>> No.44505566

>>44505338

I mean, would you prefer it on the MWL or an errata-ed Clone Chip that cannot be used during a run?

>> No.44506238

>>44497691
Reporting back in, I just remembered that memory is another number to track for the runner

>> No.44506681

>>44484630
underrated post

>> No.44506855

>>44483378
I don't think anyone would have guessed a year ago that when they finally made a restricted list for Netrunner, Account Siphon wouldn't be in it.

>> No.44508224

>>44493499
This sounds like blue player logic in MTG

>> No.44509166

>>44498101
>Sleeveless

You fucking MONSTER

>> No.44509359

>>44509166
All my sleeves are currently hosting magic cards. Haven't had a chance to get more yet.

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>>44509359
>Not having bulk loli sleeves...

>> No.44509779

>>44504622
I don't like that he's targeting the meta instead of just designing cards. And people say doing the influence thing is an elegant way, but I can't help but feel it's a very clumsy method. I'd rather have just limited certain cards to 2-of.

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I love DDOS so much. It was the last card I really needed to make Eater Keyhole work.

>> No.44511294

>>44509779
>I'd rather have just limited certain cards to 2-of.

This method is much less effective at reducing the consistency (and therefore strength) of cards in Netrunner than in other games, just because of the pace at which you see your deck and the amount and ease of recursion in the game.

>> No.44512421

Someone suggest to me a fun post MWL Shaper deck? I dont have D&D yet

>> No.44512702

>tfw enjoying my coffee and getting a healthy dose of salt from the Stimhack forums

Best part of waking up. Anyone else know this feel?

>> No.44513075

>Testing for MWL meta
>Only facing Noise decks
>People only testing Noise decks
>Noise is likely the best runner deck in the game again

If it is not losing games to RNG mill one way it is losing games to RNG mill another way. WHY THE FUCK DID FFG INSIST ON KEEPING THE WORK FUCKING CARD GAME MECHANIC IN THIS FUCKING GAME!?

Like really milling is fucking retarded, it is just a way to make the game less fun. I'd be 100% happy if the game had no Mill effects.

>> No.44513212

Whats the current state of Headlock Reina? Anything changed? Clone Chip hurt it bad I'd say :(

>> No.44513338

>>44513075
I really fucking hate Noise, I'd much rather his ability was something like "Whenever you play the first Virus each turn, Corp loses a credit"

>> No.44513450

>>44513338
Leela is just as bad.
Oh you want to score that early 3 pointer after working hard to open a window?
OH LOOK YOUR RnD IS UNPROTECTED NOW! Maker's eye! Thanks for the agenda, what you only have 1 ICE on HQ as well!? SURE LETS BOUNCE THAT SHIT AND HIT HQ AS WELL! Leg Work! Thanks for another AGENDA! Lets go ahead and bounce that remote you build even!

What you have 2~ credits, nothing installed, and a hand full of crap? It sure looks like mid game on my side of the table... I don't get your point.

Leela is the reason I am banned from my local game store. I punched one of her fucking smug ass players in their face of that bullshit. FFG SURE FUCKING HATES THAT IDEA THAT PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO ENJOY THEIR FUCKING GAME AS CORP!

>> No.44514527

Someone send me a good CyCy Kit list pls

>> No.44515045

Thoughts? Kinda wanna free up 2 inf for Clone Chips

Stimshop Waifu (Post MWL)

Chaos Theory: Wünderkind

Event (15)
3x Diesel
2x Modded
3x Scavenge
2x Stimhack ••
2x Test Run
3x The Maker's Eye

Hardware (7)
1x Dinosaurus
1x Feedback Filter
1x HQ Interface ••
2x Plascrete Carapace
2x R&D Interface

Resource (6)
1x Film Critic
3x Personal Workshop
2x Same Old Thing

Icebreaker (5)
1x Corroder ••
1x Deus X
1x Femme Fatale •
1x Gordian Blade
1x Mimic •

Program (7)
1x D4v1d ••••
3x Magnum Opus
2x Self-modifying Code
1x Sneakdoor Beta •••

15 influence spent (max 15)
40 cards (min 40)
Cards up to Old Hollywood

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