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Great Scott edition

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Try "Why I run", great for prospective Runners looking for a hands-on demo on how Running works (replace the spaces by dots):
www nagnazul com/whyirun/whyirun.html

>> No.41000516

To continue the toshiyuki shit, you can't advance an Edge of World/Psychic Field. The dream is Edge of world and Valley Grid in a three deep server, but it seems way more potent without the obvious upgrade. You can also slip in some heavy asset if the runner can't trash it.

>> No.41002049

Here's the general thought process that went into Toshi's creation:

>Jinteki is the mindgames faction
>Jinteki is not viable competitively right now, must be because they need more mindgames
>Mindgames are Jinteki's greatest strength, so let's make a card that rewards you for winning a mindgame by letting you do another mindgame immediately
>Let's make him an exec too, so that even if the runner doesn't run him you can kill him for Restoring Face to remove all that bad publicity Jinteki players will be taking from Profiteering and Shinobi

>> No.41003522

Seems legit. IAA Toshiyuki. If they don't run him, Restoring Face because you scored Profiteering earlier on.
If they do run him, replace him with trap/agenda. Put the fear of Jinteki into those gaijin scum.

Then next turn you do it again.

>> No.41005261

Like I said sometime ago, Toshiyuki is not supposed to be about mind games. It is for selecting the right kind of trap for the right situation (for example if the runner has 3 cards in hand, use the junebug, if he has 4 cards in hand, use the cerebral overwriter) and it's for luring the runner into non-advanceable traps by putting counters on them (there is no way in hell they expected a snare when they ran on that 2 advancement server and now they end their turn with 1 card in hand and a tag) and Toshi can also be used to place down agendas that you know the runner can't possibly steal, like an NAPD or Fetal when they have no money or if they were hit by a Hudson (how about Toshi in Harpsichord Studios?).

>remove all that bad publicity Jinteki players will be taking from Profiteering and Shinobi
Clone Retirement is used by some people and I think it will be used more in the future, looking at how you could have an agenda suit of 3 future perfect, 3 4/3 agendas, 2 clone retirement

>> No.41005867

>Toshi in Harpsichord Studios?
Interesting idea, especially if you used Award Bait or something

>> No.41006261

Not sure it saves DC decks from Drive By killing the entire archetype.

Added some wider range of Brain Damage tricks and such to help keep the Runner guessing.

>> No.41006298

DC deck?

>> No.41006377

sorry fogot ot post to list?

Batty on the Brain v1.0

Cybernetics Division: Humanity Upgraded

Agenda (10)
3x Mandatory Upgrades
3x Project Vitruvius
3x Self-Destruct Chips
1x Utopia Fragment

Asset (8)
3x Adonis Campaign
1x Cerebral Overwriter
1x Jackson Howard •
1x Plan B
2x Snare! ••••

Upgrade (4)
2x Marcus Batty ••••• •
2x Ryon Knight

Operation (12)
2x Defective Brainchips
3x Hedge Fund
2x Mushin No Shin ••••
2x Subliminal Messaging
3x Successful Demonstration

Barrier (3)
2x Eli 1.0
1x Heimdall 1.0

Code Gate (3)
2x Turing
1x Viktor 2.0

Sentry (4)
1x Architect
2x Fenris
1x Janus 1.0

15 influence spent (max 15)
18 agenda points (between 18 and 19)
44 cards (min 40)
Cards up to The Underway

>> No.41006452

My thought for the next cycle (after dirt skin cycle). it going to add event's operations that can be play during runs. Things that lower or rise breaker Str for one encounter.

>> No.41006486

>dirt skin cycle
back to /pol/ with thee

>> No.41006667

>Cheap painless body enhancements
>Ugly PoCs still being a thing
It is bad world design.

>> No.41007453

>it going to add event's operations that can be play during runs.
I hate this idea, but sadly I can totally see this happening.
Especially now that the designer got swapped out.

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Remember this card?

>> No.41007625

What about it?

>> No.41007629

Nothing, I just forgot about it.

>> No.41007635
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It's tiny.

Now look at this card.

>> No.41007760

>muertos gang member + public agendas

>> No.41007843

Nevermind, only rezzed cards can be derezzed.
>Derez: The act of flipping a rezzed card facedown, inactive.

>> No.41007877

The corp gets to pick the card.
Also you can't rez or derez agendas, just install them

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Use on Architect to prevent R&D lock.
Use on any ETR for a one-time Caprice.
Use on NEXT Gold for a kill or at least wiping the runner's rig.
Use on Wormhole to do whatever the fuck you want.

>> No.41011648

Batty us a better but more balance Caprice.

>> No.41012213

I don't have enough experience with him yet to say whether he's more or less balanced than Caprice. Being trash-to-use is definitely better, as is the requirement to set up the server first. However, being able to trigger ice subroutines directly means his power cap is way higher than Caprice's.

>> No.41012344

But that sounds really stupid.

>> No.41012347

That's not power, that's versatility. Caprice can potentially be used to keep the runner out forever as long as you win the pissgames, but Batty has more different uses. It's a trade off sort of deal.

But I do believe Caprice to be a bit too strong. If instead of ending the run she prevented the runner from accessing cards (either altogether or like Eater), she'd be perfect.

>> No.41012382

Power Vamp
Anarch - 4 influence
Event - Surprise
Cost 3
Power Vamp can be played during a run withing out paying it's [click] cost.
Lower the STR of a rez ICE by 2 till the end of the turn.

>> No.41012483

Sounds crap. And doesn't feel right for the game.

>> No.41012577


You're trying to make this game more like Magic when it doesn't need to be. The runners having hidden info (being able to play cards out of hand) is awful for the game. It is super gimmicky and the game already has enough hidden information. If you want more, just play as Apex. That card sounds super broken as is, specially with Parasite. Corps would have to play around way too much and it would be awful for the game.

>> No.41012617


I've been using him in my Tennin list with awesome impact. "Oh, you hit Nebula? I pop batty targeting Nebula's sub. What's that, you lost a Mimic. Sucks. Now lose your Yog, too."

It really gave my list the boost it needed to hold out Anarchs. Now Kate and Anarchs are both fucked. 10/10

>> No.41012640

You think this is a game?
Weyland - 50 inf
Operation - Surprise
Cost - 10
You can play this operation during a run only, it does not cost a click.
The Runner can't break sub-retines, use effects, or jackout, and any damage dealt is unpreventable till the run ends.

There fixed Weyland.

>> No.41012674

Woah, 50 inf seems a little low on that... Better make it 60 just to be safe.

>> No.41012721

I meant to add something like "Each time you lose a game to this effect lower the Inference cost on your copies by 5 till you when a game issuing the effect."

>> No.41013604

Use on Rototurret for 2 trashes and an ETR.

>> No.41014073

Eh, the Rototurret will usually get insta-Parasited or Mimic/Faerie'd but thankfully that doesn't actually matter for Batty.

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Is there a viable sys-op, executive, bad pub Jinteki build out there?

>> No.41014211

Still use it in my IG deck.

If they ever break tempo on runs that's 3 more cost to trash again and another run into archives if they want to avoid the tax.

>> No.41014250

SM is mildly powered, it's nice but not OP.

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More realistically, is there a fun shitty one?

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Exclusive party anyone?

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boobs anyone?

>> No.41019413

Faust appears to be the new hotness. I hadn't thought of Origami, butit seems legit. I especially like the DLR one that has 3 Stim Dealers, 3 Duggars, 3 Amped Ups and 3 Joshua Bs. Good stuff.

>> No.41019558

That looks like she's video recording an orgy.

>> No.41022774

/tg/, what use is there for Theophilus Bagbiter?

>> No.41022834

Getting lods emone and installing overmind/sage/game day

>> No.41023221

Looking forward to seeing what the 6x cards are like. I'm not too impressed with the anarch one, but I loved that it had the headset from inside job on those kids.

>> No.41023544

>actually thinking that >>41002049 describes something remotely legitimate
>thinking that scenarios where advancing Toshi is better than advancing an Overwriter will happen frequently enough and that scenarios where advancing Toshi is worse are rare enough to justify spending deck slot(s) on Toshi
>thinking that an agenda suite of 3xTFPs, 3xMystery 4/3, 2xClone Retirement is for some reason desirable over conventional Jinteki agenda suites
>thinking that Haarpsichord can make Toshi viable
This is either False Lead or you have not actually played Netrunner. The only valid point you made was the possibility of Clone Retirement being used more in the future; this could end up being true if good cards for Jinteki that make bad pub come out someday, but I wouldn't count on it, at least not for a long, long while.

>> No.41023609

Why do you feel the need to break one of the fundamental rules of the game -- cards cost clicks to play -- to make this? You could have just as easily decided that this is a resource/hardware you can trash to activate mid-run. But no, that wasn't good enough.

Also: explain how this effect is a "Power Vamp".

>> No.41023647

>bad pub Jinteki
>Recruiting Trip
Thanks for the reminder that you can and should target Markus Batty with this.

>> No.41023798

> ruuner accesses toshi
> switch him out
> runner accesses
> it's another toshi
> switch him out
> runner accesses
> toshi
> switch him out
> runner gets mad and jacks out
> first click I place an advancement token on the fetal ai and score it

>> No.41024465

Caprice can only ever end the run. Batty can do that + kill the runner, or wipe their rig. That isn't just more versatile, that's definitely more powerful as well.

>> No.41025339

Actually the power difference comes from th fact that Batty is trashed when his ability is used, so he could do a hell of a lot of things, but only once.
Caprice provides chance server protection continually, Batty's key drawback is that he was made after they realised 'PSI games are not a big enough penalty alone,' and balanced his more compaired to Caprice.
Both are good cards

>> No.41026642

Thomas Haas just died in a drive by shooting.

>> No.41027158


30+ counters on an overmind and then just running with impunity.

Faust now is also an excellent choice, letting your just have your entire deck to run with without any major issues.

>> No.41027243

Thomas Haas plays both sides, but at the end of the day most of the time (except when he's a "hostage") all he'll do is waste your time.

>> No.41027796

Except for komainu. You better have some backup.

>> No.41028003


x1 Femme Fatale, laugh at komainu

>> No.41028041

>psychic field

>> No.41028143
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>Batty into Cortex lock.

>> No.41028180

Then I rez my second komainu! Haha.

>> No.41028376

>Noise vs Blue Sun
>noise installs virus
>runs archives
>scores government takever

>blue sun rezzes ice with bootcamp
>takes ice into hand
>installs it again

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>> No.41030114


I must do this.

>> No.41030284

Try with Alix T4LB07 for kicks

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So I managed to pull this off today.

>> No.41032297

Sigh... When will FFG stop with it's relentless cultural appropriation?

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What did you do with it all?

>> No.41032743

Took a credit, Installed Parasite on the RnD ICE using Clone Chip to kill it, Used Haley's ability to install Medium, Won to 3 agendas on top of RnD so it was all pointless.

>> No.41032885

Ah yes, the "b-b-but I wanted to finish my combo!" victory.

>> No.41032924

That's a bit depressing - you build this big amazing project, get all fired up and then get what you want in such a way as to make almost all your effort unnecessary.
That's one hell of a hollow victory

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>> No.41035133

Man is this place just dead now that the spoilers have seemingly stopped?

>> No.41035342

Spoilers was the only reason people posted here really. No one ever wants to talk about decks and mostly just bitches aboot the meta.

Without Snow-Jax or Spoiler-Ken you might as well go to Reddit or Stimhack.

>> No.41036214

Alright, /tg/, you want some decks? you got it. This is the latest version of my Eliza's Toybox deck I'm having trouble with. I'm able to rez Janus, Wotan and Heimdall for almost nothing. But this isn't helping me, I see almost no scoring window most of the time. I tested this deck against 3 other decks. Stealth Chaos Theory, MaxX, and Kit.
I can't even think about what would happen versus Andy, Valencia or Leela.

PS: Honestly, Precognition does a pretty good job to find the cards I need or just sort anything for ABT, while Caprice only helps me to get even poorer.

Eliza's Startup

Haas-Bioroid: Stronger Together

Agenda (10)
3x Accelerated Beta Test
2x False Lead
2x Priority Requisition
3x Project Vitruvius

Asset (10)
3x Adonis Campaign
3x Eliza's Toybox
2x Eve Campaign
2x Tech Startup

Upgrade (2)
2x Caprice Nisei ••••• •••

Operation (10)
2x Bioroid Efficiency Research
3x Biotic Labor
3x Hedge Fund
2x Precognition ••••• •

Barrier (6)
3x Eli 1.0
2x Heimdall 2.0
1x Wotan

Code Gate (4)
2x IQ
2x Viktor 1.0

Sentry (7)
3x Ichi 2.0
2x Janus 1.0
2x Rototurret

14 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Valley

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

>> No.41036270


Don't know about others but the captcha changes had made me abandon thread for a good couple of weeks.

Right now main issue is I have a lot of work, and also I'm spending more time to get the local club running than playing, so I haven't had as much time to play as I'd want, which means I also have less of interest to contribute. Hell, I don't think I played against any card of the last two data-packs yet. That's how out of touch I am.

Oh and I've been "tricked" into running a pnp campaign soon, might makes things even worse.

Glad to see my Sakai misadventures from last threads seem to have inspired some conversation.


Impressive. And sad for the end result.

>Spoilers was the only reason people posted here really.

Some obviously. Hopefully not all.

>> No.41036290

I've played with this deck a bit and holy crap does it hurt to play against Noise.

>> No.41036378

Do you really need those 3 Ichi 2s by the way? I replaced one of them with an Ichi 1 I think in my version.

>> No.41036574


What's the idea with the False Lead ? I don't see its sacrifice triggering a kill, and if it's a scoring window you want, I think there are less costly options.

Also, since we're on the precog train, a card I put as a one off in some decks I had a lot of fun with was Mutate. Can land well after an Architect firing too.

Another thing I've been having a lot of fun with in that kind of big bioroid configuration is Awakening Center + The Twins (though it was in the foundry).

>> No.41036878

That's a thought.
I included them for BER targets, since I was aiming to reproduce the concept of a Creation and Control HB deck. Just taxing ICE that can't be fully clicked-through for cheap.
But I rather replace them with Archers, since Eliza's Toybox is the one doing the heavy lifting most of the time. That would open BER slots for some econ or just plain Jacksons.

The False Leads was also addressed in the last thread. It's not looking for a kill, you can take away the option for a runner to click-through with it. I manage to score a PR behind a single Wotan with it in some previous version of it. Sadly it was just Wotan and not Heimdall 2.0. It ended the run, and the turn nonetheless.

The Mutate bit is interesting, although that would be pretty influence intensive (3 per mutate, 3 per Precog). It's something I'd like to try in Jinteki though.

Awakening Center + The Twins. Noted. It's been a while since I played AC and this seems interesting.

>> No.41037298

How does Bioroid efficiency treat you?

>> No.41037442

Pretty good if drawn early. It has the same effect in the runner as a first turn OAI Curtain Wall. But by the time I have Eliza's Toybox installed and protected, the BER is outclassed.

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It has been almost an hour and no one has posted this yet. /ANRG/ really is going to shit.

>> No.41037541


That's the thing for me, you're willing to pay a scored 3/1 for "just" another scoring window. If at least you were playing, say, Heinlein Grid to double on the punishment, I'd have less of an issue.

I may be wrong on this, but it rubs me the wrong way.

>although that would be pretty influence intensive (3 per mutate, 3 per Precog)

Yeah, I wouldn't import both myself. Mutate was a nice wild card in that Foundry deck though. With Architect being both worthwhile to install and check card order.


Not that anon, but I really like it on the 2.0 suite for obvious reason, and some of the most expensive bioroids can also make it a pretty worthwhile investment (an early game Wotan or Janus rezzed with it on R&D can be a life saver).

>> No.41037591

That's the reason why nobody bothers to post decks here anymore. No constructive criticism means it's useless to post a deck.
That cute little macro killed /anrg/.

>> No.41037625

See I worry about loosing my strippers and only getting a few uses out of them. Hence why my version does not use them.

>> No.41037657

Oh I did not think about using it with wotan that is super cool.

>> No.41037768

>Heinlein Grid to double on the punishment
I like that. I don't have that datapack yet. But it's certainly high in my list.
I think I'll swap those False Leads for Veteran's Program (lots of Valencia around here) or Project Chronos for the time being.


Keep in mind that Wotan can still be passed for 2 clicks, 1 trashing 1 program, 1 brain damage, and 3 credits.
This can be solved with Heinlein Grid though, if the runner spends 2 clicks to pass the first sub, his credit pool will be zero and can't pass the second one.

>> No.41037913


You're going to make me regret unwittingly being one of its originators.

>Keep in mind that Wotan can still be passed for 2 clicks, 1 trashing 1 program, 1 brain damage, and 3 credits.

You're still coming up on top of the transaction though.

>This can be solved with Heinlein Grid

Which in turn can be countered by things like Ghost Runner.

>> No.41037931

Yeah but Wotan is such a heavy tax that it can normally wreck a runner or open a scoring window.

>> No.41038096


Its porous nature means I much prefer him on a central though.

If the runner *wants* through, and can pay, you're losing what's in the server.

On R&D or HQ though ? Yeah totally going to help against that attempted lock down. No way the runner is coming up in the transaction on a per run basis anytime soon.

>> No.41038142

RIght, so how many Wotans do you run?

>> No.41038309


Honestly really depends on the deck, but generally two.

Pretty rare that I run ICE as a one off now that I think of it.

>> No.41038541

Does anybody had luck with Port Anson Grid? I'm thinking Howlers into Janus or something like that with it.

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Do you find Eliza's pulls it's weight?
On the few times I've used it (admittedly in lods of emone Blue Sun) I've found it just too slow, and too much of a target, though it is nice for Archers.

I've also thought about using it to get pic related out, though the delay and the turn where it's out but not working seems pretty brutal

>> No.41039280

Try it with komiainu and other like ice to force them to lose the program or face death.

>> No.41039311

Yeah, I am with you I really do not like using the strippers that often to much of a time sink with out a way to get more clicks not that great.

>> No.41039534

I was using Melange Mining Corp to get the money to rez the big ICE before. I replaced it with gynoids with great success I'd say. It's rare the match I'm not rezzing 20-25 credits worth of ICE in 2-3 turns. (to be fair that's like 2-3 ICE). And then I start rezzing the Eve campaigns.

I expect for it to be a good target, since it's creating my scoring window. When the runner gives up and let me have all the ICE is when I start having problems because I don't have a scoring window and I start to think that I might need to set up a new server.

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I was getting all hyped because I was thinking in this combo, and then I noticed.
>If you do, avoid the first tag you would take
>avoid the first tag you
>the first tag

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Oh well, back to square 1.

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Not like this combo lacks pieces.

>> No.41041366

5 credits to avoid 1 tag (particularly a self-inflicted one) a turn seems a bit off

>> No.41041597

>implying Kit isn't a tier 1 identity.

>> No.41042425

For an extra click every turn? I think it's cheap.

>> No.41042535

Well it's 5 to Beckman's 8, but 2 more cards to find and install as well, and is slightly less tag-vulnerable.

>> No.41042666


Seems needlessly convoluted for what it does to me (and I love convoluted stuff).

What ID/build/strat do you think it would fit ?

I've come around and learned to love Activist Support (after much initial lamenting) in an aggressive, tag me anti econ deck. Only turn off you'd need in there if you ever wanted one would probably be Chop Bot 3000.

Now, between the high cost Resource(s) and the bad pub, seems like you're going for a Valencia deck ? But then Activist is only really useful as a back up plan in case the corp gets back to zero bad influence. So,it's more a way to deal with the card in your normal set up without having to move bits around...


I've played with it in several builds, and my issue is always the same: you need a set up in which the runner will feel confident going in, yet will be faced with the choice of jacking out or dying. Unless there's a cute set up I haven't considered (pretty likely) that laeves you with relatively narrow, rarely if ever repeatable windows. That last point being the killing blow, for the same cot you could be playing Hokusai, which is going to be better deterrent.

I love the card, but it's proving hard to use.

>> No.41042988

I've seen Wyldside/Chronotype in Valencia decks to help with the draw. I've never seen Qianju PT played, nor Activist Support. But Valencia doesn't really need this combo. She just needs to install early an Investigative Journalism and leave it on the table as insurance.
I was more thinking in an enabler for other runners.

>> No.41043295


Investigative Journalism comes attached with the issue that it needs to be drawn and installed before the BP happens to be removed. Which is why I could see Activist as the back up plan.

Hearing you about the enabler - that's one thing I really hope D&D will bring: some new ways to dish BP.

Frame Job *can* be viable, but said viability is strictly dependent on your opponent's build. Also somewhat slow to set up a full BP build that way, which kinda beats the purpose.
Activist can work but funnels both your deck-building and available strategies tremendously.
Tallie Perrault is nice as a defense mechanism, as a BP giver per see not so much. Same with Leverage I guess.

>> No.41044178

Deux Ex and Parasite with a lot of ICE Strength lowering(With Overmind, the goal is to keep the breaking as cheap as possible to keep your hand size high). Since you're only running a single breaker, you've got the space no problem.

>> No.41046831

I suppose you could try it in Weyland with a public agenda as the lure, if you built the server first?

Expensive as hell though, and there's not many pieces of ice that would fit so well in green, save for Archer and maybe Checkpoint.

>> No.41047115

Just run 2 of them, they are not unique.

>> No.41048143

The second one would be useless, they only work on the first tag.

>> No.41049591

Now that the dust is already settled for the Genetics. Hard at Work / Adjusted Chronotype. 8 credits setup for 2c every turn. Discuss.

>> No.41049648

Career Fair makes it much more palatable, especially if you've got other medium-high cost Resources.

>> No.41049959

What? Shouldn't you be looking at Wyldside? Screw Hard at Work.

Also being Hard at Work means you can't have a Day Job.

>> No.41049967

Currently playing an Bagbiter/Ekomind/Game Day deck. Lots of pieces, but can be suprisingly effective.

Plus it's hilarious to say "So I draw 25 cards" or "Overmind has 31 tokens".

>> No.41050209

Not if you have an adjusted chronotype, sleep is for people with shitty genes

>> No.41050477

>Not playing Stealth Silhouette

Silhouette: Stealth Operative

Event (20)
3x Account Siphon
2x Emergency Shutdown
3x Express Delivery
1x I've Had Worse ••
3x Inside Job
1x Legwork
1x Notoriety •
3x Special Order
3x Sure Gamble

Hardware (8)
2x Desperado
2x Plascrete Carapace
2x R&D Interface ••••
2x Silencer

Resource (7)
3x Ghost Runner
2x Same Old Thing
2x Security Testing

Icebreaker (3)
1x Corroder ••
1x Refractor ••
1x Switchblade

Program (2)
2x Cloak ••••

15 influence spent (max 15)
40 cards (min 40)
Cards up to Order and Chaos

>> No.41051242

>Siphon Silhouette

On account of Silhouette (pun). I like how Doppelganger comboes with her ability.

>> No.41051371

Isn't it weird to play Notoriety with Stealth?

>> No.41051378

Anyone had a guess on Panchatantra though?
It showed:

"Once per t(urn), ...
of ice, you...
your choice...
BARRIER fo(r)..."

For comparison, the length of text on Imp is:
Once per turn, you may remove 1 hosted

>> No.41051390

People don't tend to see it coming and it can be a nice game closer.

>> No.41051667
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Yeah, I get that, my question is more coming from the angle that you need to break ICE in all 3 servers (with Sec. Test. they will close archives soon), in a single turn. Your recurrent stealth credits can only do so much. And I'm not sure if Ghost Runner is enough.

>> No.41052508
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Seems a bit too many words to be 1/3 of a Paintbrush, though that's all I can really think of with what we can see.

I'm more looking forward to Kala Ghoda and Mumbad Grid

>> No.41052612

>"Once per turn when you encounter a piece of ice you may have it gain your choice of barrier code gate or sentry until end of turn."

Its going to be the bastard child of snitch and paintbrush that competetive kit decks can actually find room for.

>> No.41052648

Final legible word is for, it is almost definitely only going to last for the remainder of the run, and therefore be meh.

>> No.41052688
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Possibly. Not sure how they'll balance it though.
And "Barrier" comes in the subtype list (which might skip one), as the next word is "for".

But before we go to the Indian megacity we've got San San to finish and Data and Destiny.

I want to try pic related and News Now Hour in a deck - Trace Ice will finally be worth it

>> No.41052993

Does Sil's ability really make the deck that much better? Because if you're playing her for the deck size, you're an idiot. Andy's 9 in grip + 36 in stack start is so much better than Sil's 5 in grip + 35 in stack.

>> No.41053050

Expose is really powerful in the current meta. There are a fair number of Mushin focused or Never Advance style decks in the tier 1 list so having a built in Expose is great.

>> No.41053397

This is probably one of those decks that are better in Kate. Nonetheless! Stealth PPVP!

The Children are Quiet (PPvP)

Chaos Theory: Wünderkind

Event (15)
3x Dirty Laundry
1x Levy AR Lab Access
3x Lucky Find ••••• •
3x Quality Time
3x Sure Gamble
2x The Maker's Eye

Hardware (12)
2x Lockpick
1x Plascrete Carapace
3x Prepaid VoicePAD
2x R&D Interface
2x Replicator
2x Silencer ••••• •

Resource (4)
1x Hades Shard •
2x Inside Man
1x Same Old Thing

Icebreaker (3)
1x Corroder ••
1x Dagger
1x Refractor

Program (6)
3x Cloak
3x Self-modifying Code

15 influence spent (max 15)
40 cards (min 40)
Cards up to First Contact

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

>> No.41053445


I'm interested in knowing how well this works.

>> No.41053491


Can't you consider that if you avoided a tag you never got it so the second time someone tries to tag you it's the first tag you'll be taking in the turn?

>> No.41053536
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Wubba lubba dub dub!

>> No.41053564

Old Hollywood Grid
5 rez, 4 trash

"Agendas accessed from this server cannot be stolen unless the Runner already has a copy of that agenda in his or her score area. This applies even during the run on which the Runner trashes OHG"

OP? Playable? Only in Haarpsichord? Too expensive?

>> No.41053579
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>> No.41053649

For now I've only tested it in some kitchen table games. Maybe I had lucky draws, but looking for a replicator and/or prepaid in the initial hand is enough to start getting things moving really fast. Replicator brings all 3 PPVP, often during the same turn. Inside Man helps to set up without losing any tempo at all, but I might swap it for Ghost Runners for the early game. Program destruction and Power shutdown worries me, luckily the Corp was HB Glacier and Titan FA.

I'll bring this to the next netrunner night and report back.

>> No.41053658

>implying I designed it
Why is it shit, meatbag?

>> No.41053680

Okay, that's a new one.

Is Inside Man worth it?
I know you're installing hardware without being Kate, but those could be Ghost Runners

>> No.41053747

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking here >>41053649. It's totally worth it if you look at the raw numbers (23 credits), it's really nice to install both stealth hardware without spending a credit.

But sacrificing that for early stealth is probably the smart choice.

>> No.41054006

No, I can't, because that's not how Netrunner works.

>> No.41055024

This right here. There's no point in saying "But what if the rules were different?" because the rules aren't that way. What if you win with 1 point, or could have a deck that's nothing but hedge funds, snares, and fetal AIs? Interesting, but pointless, because that's not how things are.

>> No.41055077
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>Playing Argus security with the open agendas.
>Protected with cheap ETRs.
>Along with a self-destruct or bernice mai right at end.

It's fun just watching the runner squirm while they have to pick between scoring a one point agenda or get milled.

>> No.41055258

On this, is Same Old Thing worth it here? wouldn't it be better if it were 2 Levy instead?

>> No.41055273

That's crazy expensive, but you only rez it to stop the runner from stealing an agenda. It seems pretty great! NBN glacier here I come

>> No.41055405

You mean making them choose between scoring one point or having you spend all your actions and credits drawing all their cards for them into recursion territory?

>> No.41055545

Did you use Blacklist for extra deliciousness?

>> No.41055622

Blacklist? Please, Project Chronos is the right choice to go with Underway Renovation.

>> No.41055715

>I included them for BER targets
If you have them just for BER, then why not use 3 Heimdall 2s instead? I think Ichi 2 is better for surprises than for being a huge monster to get through.

>> No.41055800

5 to rez for a red herrings, I dunno.

>> No.41055811

Oh god, I got Chronos'd in the worst way once.
I was Whizzard and almost my entire deck was in the heap at this point, but it was fine, I had Levy in hand.

Fucking Chronos, now all I have is what was installed and my grip.
g-fucking-g, though I think I got a fair few more turns before losing.
I couldn't even be mad, it was such a textbook execution

>> No.41055819

At least it's a red herrings that adds a conditional infinity instead of five and costs three more to trash.

>> No.41055854

Does nothing for a slower NBN.

>> No.41055893

Go all 1x on your agendas, import this to HB with encryption protocols and recursion.

>> No.41055961

I like that it encourages single copies of agendas
How about IG?

>> No.41055987

Play it in a deck with no duplicate agendas, and it becomes "pay 4 and run again".

>> No.41056006

I feel like IG is generally a little easier to turn off at a clutch moment than encryption protocols, but yeah, I think it could work.

Exactly. That's meaner than a nisei token.

>> No.41056019
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I know that feel. The greed makes us monsters and leads us to our doom.

Also, this happened too:
>me, Jinteki PE, trying some janky builds with Off the Grid and stuff.
>Runner, MaxX, spent his last turn playing a lot of cards, only 1 card in hand, heap full, stack empty.
>I was keeping a Neural EMP in HQ, waiting for the second copy and an opportunity to flatline her.
>But this was way better.
>No Same Old Thing installed: Check.
>A Keyhole run was done during the last turn: Check.
>It's hilarious: Check.
>Played Neural EMP, Levy's trashed. Grin.
>Maxx against Jinteki PE, no stack, no grip, still far from match point. If she ever DARES to steal an agenda, she dies.

>> No.41056079

How are you getting your icebreakers back if they are trashed?

>> No.41056084

By praying or Levy.

>> No.41056088
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In person, or online?

>> No.41056118

In person, I stopped playing online when I realized I could see the desperation in the runner's eyes face to face.

>> No.41056510

Did not see the Levy, hope it works for you.

>> No.41056806

but spending 5 credits on ash (2 rez and 3 pump) is almost always "pay 3 and run again". Except its more flexible since you won't HAVE to spend 5.

>> No.41057712

165th for Underway is a fun and exciting pack and I can't stop making decks.

I might need 3 days this week to play instead of the regular 1.

>> No.41057775

This card is absurdly cool but you've got to go all in on the already strong traces that you may not have any room to include the more fun trace ICE. A 2 cost current is no joke, unless you're RP or HB glacier. It's a particularly sick card with those piddley traces on Ichi 1.0 and to a lesser degree 2.0.

>> No.41057798

It'll get even sillier with Casting Call, friend.

2 Influence BOYS

>> No.41057951

Casting Call looks great.
And it comes in the pack with Hollywood Renovation too.

Shit's going to be so cash.

>> No.41058096

That depends on how expensive the server is to get into, how much link the runner has, and how many clicks they have left. Also, if running the server requires expending non-money resources like Datasucker/D4v1d/Lady tokens or disposable breakers, being able to pay off the Ash trace and steal on the same run can be a huge benefit to the runner.

If you have Old Hollywood and singleton agendas, it *absolutely* forces another run to steal it. You want to run twice through this double Data Raven server? Go ahead!

>> No.41058157

Oh I like the Double Raven scoring remote. Imma try that. What should be my tag punishment though. If closed account, they go tag me and ignore money, maybe Psycographics

>> No.41058281
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>What should be my tag punishment
Market Research, enjoy a 4/3 before Jinteki gets their hands on that Improved Protein Sauce

>> No.41058679

who is this titty monster in Executive Party

have improved protein sources gone too far?

also is Oaktown Grid literally only good with Ash? what happens if you trash it first, then the Adonis inside?

>> No.41058817

Well the fact that Oaktown affects itself is pretty nice, but it's basically pure econ war without Ash

As for the Party, >>41018077 related.
She's some sort of criminal, at least.

And we need to keep improving protein sauce, this is India, there's probably like two billion people to feed

>> No.41058830

She's Kamadeva, Goddess of Love and Desire

>> No.41058966

>what happens if you trash it first, then the Adonis inside?
Then you increased the trash cost of adonis by 4.

>> No.41059172

Oaktown doesn't have the "still applies on same run its trahed" clause that stuff like red herrings has, you goof.

>> No.41059184

But Oaktown doesn't have any persistence, once it's trashed in proper order the Adonis immediately goes down to 3, right?

Persistence is shown on a card like Red Herrings (even if it is trashed)

>> No.41059341

No it doesn't but at least you're still spending money to trash Oaktown, making it effectively a one-time cost increase anyway.

Don't know if that anon thought it had persistence - that would make it better, but it's not too awful as is

>> No.41059857

It costs 4 to trash oaktown grid, silly guys

>> No.41061488

Which is an increase of 1 to the trash cost of Adonis relative to not trashing oaktown, not 4.

>> No.41061939

I don't understand, you are effectively trashing "Adonis" for 7.

>> No.41062022

You either trash Adonis for 6, or trash both for 7. That's correct. But the absolute trash cost of Adonis is increased by 4 if you trash oaktown, which is what anon is saying.

>> No.41063021

Market Research is awesome, specially with Psychographics.

>> No.41063897


2 influence. #97.

>> No.41064899

Did you notice that Clone Suffrage Movement is an HB card?

>> No.41065443

2 inf NBN? That is disgusting.

>> No.41067682
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Film Critic when??

Had two losses today that Film Critic would've turned into wins vs. NAPDs

>> No.41067838

The explorer can not handle the police. Sorry he also can not handle a pop up advertisement.

>> No.41067915

Can he handle the Net Police?

>> No.41068049

Who even uses net police? New Angeles Police though they mess up the Explorer

>> No.41068076

IG, on the other hand, can also punish a lot more for being turned off, and still has things like Hostiles behind it.

>> No.41068397

Mumbad Virtual sitting on an Archives with a couple of Shocks inside, a rezzed Hokusai Grid and a couple of Hostile Infrastructures up means a tax turns into a plausible flatline. And it's not even that implausible.

>> No.41070279

Speaking of which, what's the right play against IG?

>> No.41070539

always run archives.

>> No.41071145

Yes, and I love it.

We don't see much of the corps fighting and competing with each other, and I'd like to see that change

>> No.41071277

Jinteki and HB are the only ones who are even remotely in the same field. NBN and Weyland don't really have much to compete over.

>> No.41071396

1x Archives Interface

>> No.41071727

While HB and Jinteki are the obvious competitors in the Android market the thing to remember is that they aren't just companies, these are megacorps.

At some level, they do almost everything.

Weyland do this the most, with all their subsidiaries, but things like commercial products, political advantage and cutting-edge research are fair game for any corp.

Mumbad virtual looks pretty nice - not quite Red Herrings, but much more flexible.
Though the runner can't choose not to access (outside of Gagarin) right?
That's a pretty good way to drain credits

>> No.41071773

He can choose the order though, he can pick to access the card with a token on it first (NAPD) and then Mumbai.

>> No.41071812

True, for NAPD denial it's not that good

>> No.41072348

That's why you put it on archives in IG.

If they access it first, they're going to be forced to pay for it at the full price, very, very nasty for a IG deck.

If they access it second, then they just eat the 5 credits, but still take the hostile damage.

This is especially important if you have a Hokusai on Archives as well. If they run archives, they take a net damage, they access archives and then get shocked, then they have to either access the hokusai or the mumbai. Access the mumbai first, and they have to trash it, likely leaving them unable to kill the hokusai. Access the hokusai first, and they might have just killed themselves with net damage.

>> No.41073509

So, other than making Archives hell, what else is good in IG?

Assets are obvious, what about traps?
Or will there likely not be enough room?

>> No.41073635

I always thought the biggest threat with IG is Archives Hell+Hostile Infrastructures+Ronin.

>> No.41073643

You can play IG a bit like RP, using your Shocks and Shi-Kyus to protect your agendas in archives. Building up 5 or 6 facedown cards is painfully easy to do. I've had that number go as has as 11 and I'm sure others can do even more. What's great about this is that it not only protects your assets and upgrades currently installed, but also the ones still left in R&D. The Runner seeing a Sundew that costs 8 to trash is hilarious. Also, not being able to trash Caprice after winning a Psi game is really painful.

But then you play against Anarchs running Imp and you cry.

>> No.41073733

Which is why you play Hostile Infrastructures, Crick, and Architect. One way or the other, trashing assets is going to hurt.

How long until FFG releases a card that says : "Do 1 net damage for every installed card the runner trashed during his last turn."

>> No.41073912

Shits way too much on too many kinds of play, so I doubt it.

I tell you one thing I would like to see though, something that makes criminal breakers actually usable.
Not all of them, obviously (Aurora will forever be shit, as will Leviathan for anything other than utterly massive code gates - hey Orion) but some way to make Criminals not entirely dependant on importing

>> No.41073964

Hostile IG is certainly another way to play it. I think some guy in Atlanta has been piloting that type of deck. Either way, IG is a really good ID that more people need to play.

>> No.41074035

I fell in love with IG the moment it was spoiled. But right now I'm trying to get my head around Biotech. I love its flexibility. You can fast advance a Nisei with a single Biotic Labor. You already have 2 Neural EMP built in your ID to catch the runner unaware. You can FUCK MILL DECKS without jackson. It's an amazing ID and I wonder why I don't see it more.

>> No.41074195
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Damn, forgot about that, for the most part.

Thinking about it, IG is the Archives ID to CI's HQ ID.
Kinda interesting to see the way HB and Jinteki ID's pair up some times - you see it again in ST and Nisei, and with Harmony and CD.
Not to mention pic related

>> No.41074221 [SPOILER] 
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I still want to see one of these for the Greenhouse

>> No.41074247

Biotech seems ok. It just can't protect Sundews as well as RP and IG which is a big deal. It also seems like a hard ID to build around. Do you feel like you really need to go for 2 of the 3 abilities, then just switch to the archives reset against Noise/DLR decks?

Maybe Biotech is just missing a couple of cards to really make it viable. It can be really flexible, but ultimately will it be better then just running a similar strategy in RP, IG, or PE?

>> No.41074294

Isn't every faction supposed to get a 5 inf something?
Hm nah I guess that was only for assets in the final pack

>> No.41074298

Back when I started I built a Jinteki deck around the idea of being able to swap to either. It was back before HnP was a thing.

>> No.41074316
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Everyone can handle the net police.

Unless you have oaktown grid + encryption protocol and play against sunny?

>> No.41074886
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Net Police confirmed for the mallcops of cyberspace

There are the 5 inf assets (Genetics Pavilion, Franchise City, Cybernetics Court and Worlds Plaza), but there may be other high-inf stuff as well.

Currently Criminals are missing a 5 inf card - there's pic related (and then the Assets after), Escher for Shaper, Hivemind for Anarchs and Wotan

>> No.41075269

Can we get some confirmation that this is legit? Are you still alive spoiler-ken? Or based snow-jax?

>> No.41076594

What does cybernetics court do again?

>> No.41076611

It might as well be speculation, but I'd like it cause it encourages a spread out agenda suit

>> No.41076922

We don't know.

We definitely know Genetics Pavilion, and there's a possible spoiler for Worlds Plaza (put 3 assets in a server) but we've not seen anything for Cybernetics and Franchise

>> No.41077768

It's an insane card in RP and IG. You can basically score a Future Perfect with nothing more than an Enigma covering the server.

>> No.41078972

It's really not that different from Ash in that scenario, except that the corp auto-wins the trace.

>> No.41079504

It's meant to bolster Haarpsichord with Explode-a-Palooza, etc., so yeah, it's pretty nice that it doesn't really boost RP that much.

>> No.41079710

Click 1: run any central (if RP) or archives (if IG)
Click 2: run remote & trash grid
Click 3: run remote & score
this even leaves one click spare

>> No.41079810

Where is the money for said runs coming from? Also, presumably there is a Caprice or Batty, probably a Batty, in that server too? We'll see if OHG sees play in either of those IDs, but if it does I bet butthurt ensures.

>> No.41079908

>Where is the money for said runs coming from?
you don't need a lot of money when
>nothing more than an Enigma covering the server

>Also, presumably there is a Caprice or Batty, probably a Batty, in that server too?
presumption is the mother of all fuckups

>We'll see if OHG sees play in either of those IDs, but if it does I bet butthurt ensures.
less butthurt than an ash, I think. ash would protect the presumed caprice as well.

>> No.41080063

>I bet butthurt ensures.
Butthurt always ensues with RP.
Is there a window after you've passed all the ice but still "during the run"?

Kinda funny that it come with agendas that, thematically, would always be in multiples.

I guess it's to protect the things that are unique, rare in Hollywood where everything has been done a million times.

Might be cool in a deck with Utopia and Gov. Takeover

>> No.41080135

You would need money to run IG archives.

Maybe Enigma was an exaggeration. Tollbooth or some other taxing thing is more likely. Though an Excalibur over it would be hilarious.

Like I said, we'll see and maybe it's no worse than Ash and NBN can save influence that way.

>> No.41080232

Batty + Excalibur, for extra fun

>> No.41081187
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>couldn't play with 2 weeks, plus another due to 4th of July
>two consecutive nights coming up
>local regionals in 3 weeks
>dying to play with Underway shit and test some good decks

>> No.41082444
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Ah, man I thought this REE thing was purely part of the memefrog menace, but it seems to be popping up more and more.

Underway looks good - some stuff is general, some very specific and there's the inevitable trash cards, but only 2 of those I think.

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What's the toughest server you've ever got through /nrg/?

After a few false starts (mainly due to forgetting that you can't trash programs without installing or Aesop's) I managed to get into a scoring server of:

>Curtain Wall
>Hadrian's Wall, advanced to 10

Wasn't too bad, oddly enough, thanks to Datasucker and Atman @ 7

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