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Will we ever get another Horus Heresy book that doesn't suck?

Will Nick Kyme ever write a Salamanders story that isn't awful?

>> No.40929255

>>40929141
>Will we ever get another Horus Heresy book that doesn't suck?
No

>Will Nick Kyme ever write a Salamanders story that isn't awful?
hahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
HOHOHO HEHEHE

>> No.40929337

>>40929255
Hey the first two salamander books were pretty good.
The Third one got a bit weird...
I stopped there.

>> No.40929376

>>40929337
the first two salamander books were almost not awful

if the first book was about new captain learning how to git gud it would have been good
if the second book was literally just he'stan is space batman it would have been good

but he had to ruin both.

>> No.40930520

>>40929376
I didn't read them but i was going to.

What ruin them?

>> No.40930697

>>40929141

That title. Really, Deathfire?

How many times can they use death, fire, storm, etc. before even they get sick of it. 40k is nearing creative bankruptcy.

>> No.40931593

>>40930697
A name that has been in 40k at the least since Codex: Armageddon, if not longer. Might've been Index Astartes...

>> No.40931630

>>40930520
Pysker Librarian goes super saiyan and destroys a chaos flotilla in orbit.

No. Really.

>> No.40931650

>>40930697
>nearing

Everything about Warhammrr had always been 80s schlock ripped off from a dozen sources

>> No.40931718
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40931718

>>40929141
>Will we ever get another Horus Heresy book that doesn't suck?
>MFW
Nope. The series went downhill at the very beginning. Some parts are good, like Lhorke and the loyal Iron Warriors, but the rest? Not so.

>> No.40931793

>>40931630
It's been a while since I read the book, but IIRC Nick didn't even given us the curtosy of having a Salamander Krillan to kill off before Da'kir suffered HIS FIRST DEATH.

But no, you just need to eat Great Crusade geneseed to turn super saiyan

>> No.40931808
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>>40931630

>> No.40931846

>>40930697
The novel is about Vulkan's death and rebirth in FIRE.

Deathfire is appropriate.

I am half way through the novel. I am enjoying it so far.

Oh and.....

VULKAN LIVES!

>> No.40931904

>Vulkan lives
>Implying this is surprising
He's a perpetual who, IIRC still had a heartbeat at the end of Unremembered Empire (though the sergeant dismissed it as a fanciful wish.)

He needed to live so he could complain about the Codex initially and write the Tome of Fire before Black Dading his legion. All this hype about filler is the reason why GW won't take this long dead series off life support and give it the mercy of death that it so desperately needs.

>> No.40931928

>>40929141
at first I thought that subtitle said "into the rainstorm" and that it would be about the Salamanders struggling to keep all their fire-based weaponry working during a battle taking place in a torrential downpour.

>> No.40931967

>>40931793
Psykers are empowered by their emotions and emotional state which is reflected into like a flame. A psyker's mind is a window to the warp.

If a psyker's mind suddenly gets an infusion of the genetic memories of hundreds, nay, thousands of marines, all their emotions and memories, then theoretically he will get a power boost. His flame would become an inferno.

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40932036

>>40931928
That would be something probably less idiotic BL has pushed out compared to other novels they gave us.

>> No.40932109

>>40931967
>If a psyker's mind suddenly gets an infusion of the genetic memories of hundreds, nay, thousands of marines, all their emotions and memories, then theoretically he will get a power boost. His flame would become an inferno.
Well now I know how to supercharge the Emperor. Wait, this already happened to him.

>> No.40932116

>>40931904
>Black Dading his legion.

I think you mean being kidnapped by Trazyn.

>> No.40932147

>>40932109
The Emperor is already fed the souls of thousands upon thousands of psykers to keep his dying spirit alive.

>> No.40932166

>>40932147
>The Emperor is already fed the souls of thousands upon thousands of psykers to keep his dying spirit alive.
What if we increased the numbers? What would five thousand souls a day instead of just a thousand do?

>> No.40932250

>>40932166
They numbers are already increasing. The 6th ED rulebook has a passage in the timeline which says the Emperor is getting hungrier and hungrier with each passing year.

This forces the Blackships to work harder to get bigger bounties of psykers to keep the Emperor alive.

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>>40932250
>They numbers are already increasing. The 6th ED rulebook has a passage in the timeline which says the Emperor is getting hungrier and hungrier with each passing year.
>This forces the Blackships to work harder to get bigger bounties of psykers to keep the Emperor alive.
Just turn a whole sector to nothing but a pysker farm. Yeah, there will be so many problems but at least there will be tons of pyskers to feed to the Emperor.

>> No.40932838

Horus Rising was published 9 fucking years ago, get to Earth already you tedious cunts.

>Fulgrim learns of an ancient weapon on an Eldar Maiden World that could shift the tide of the Heresy
fuck off

>Sanginius and his legion has fallen into a trap laid by Alpharius, will he escape?
fuck off

>Dorn sends a great company to the White Scars homeworld to discover where their loyalties lie
fuck off

>Perturabo uncovers the ruins of a civilisation older than the Emperor himself, what he finds may alter the course of the heresy
fuck off

>Horus is forced to face rogue daemons infuriated by his refusal to aid them in their own affairs
fuck off

no one cares about your fucking made up fucking fan fiction that has literally nothing to do with anything and will have no impact on the greater story of the heresy.

Get those fucking legions to the SOL system so we can finally end this.

>> No.40932941

>>40932838
THE FILLER HERESY

>> No.40933032

>>40932838
>>Perturabo uncovers the ruins of a civilisation older than the Emperor himself, what he finds may alter the course of the heresy

This sounds interesting.

Which book is this?

>> No.40933068

>>40933032

I made it up... it's an example of another filler story that doesn't effect anything because we know what happens and just want to read it in print.

sorry.

>> No.40933106

>>40933068
Not that anon, but I do think the mere fact that it was plausible speaks volumes in and of itself.

>> No.40933157

>>40933106
There are only three choices for that. Cron, Eldar, and Old Ones.

>> No.40933192

>>40933157
I'm sure there were plenty of races who existed in the millions of years between the birth of those races and 8000BC.
They were probably all killed off by DAoT humanity, the Eldar, Orkz, or the Great Crusade though.

>> No.40933221

>>40933106

Absolutly.

What pains me is everyone wants to read the eventual 10 book fight when the Traitors finally descend on Terra. but they wont because "muh primarch world building"

I wouldnt even mind a PRE heresy series of novels about the Primarchs but this heresy shit is done to death.

Any new book whose synopsis starts

"On Calth the fighting grows..."

"In the far reaches of the galaxy Magnus the Re..."

Just doesn't matter, it's so tedious now, I don't know anyone who buys this shit anymore.

>> No.40933223

>>40933192
>I'm sure there were plenty of races who existed in the millions of years between the birth of those races and 8000BC.
>They were probably all killed off by DAoT humanity, the Eldar, Orkz, or the Great Crusade though.
The Triarch Praetorian probably orchestrated the deaths of races. They had nothing but time on their hands.

>> No.40933335

>>40933223
Praetorians uplifted races and taught them the culture and traditions of the Necrontyr. They were never said to wipe out any race.

>> No.40933367

>>40933221
One of the upcoming books "Master of Mankind" (I think) will cover the Webway war.

It promises to be interesting. We gonna see the Emperor in action.

>> No.40933378

>>40933335
>Praetorians uplifted races and taught them the culture and traditions of the Necrontyr. They were never said to wipe out any race.
I said they probably did.

>> No.40933401

>>40933221
>What pains me is everyone wants to read the eventual 10 book fight when the Traitors finally descend on Terra. but they wont because "muh primarch world building"
I know a few people who would prefer to see the series just dropped. The idiot additions/changes in the fluff have destroyed any trust they had in BL (Yeah, yeah, everything is true and none of it is, etc. etc. Just because it can be ignored, doesn't mean it's not shit and should exist.)

The Legions being 100,000+ was pretty much the only change in the entire series worth recognizing.

But clearly some people out there are buying this drivel.

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>>40933367
>One of the upcoming books "Master of Mankind" (I think) will cover the Webway war.
>It promises to be interesting. We gonna see the Emperor in action.
Please, let it be good. Forget all of this edgy, idiot, complete jerk Emperor who made a pact with Chaos. That ain't my Emperor.

>> No.40933412

>>40933378
Probably or not, it's an accusation against one of the noblest and honorable organizations in the galaxy.

You should be punished for such slander.

>> No.40933457

>>40933412
>Probably or not, it's an accusation against one of the noblest and honorable organizations in the galaxy.
>You should be punished for such slander.
>implying there weren't races they held grudges against from the War in Heaven

>> No.40933467

>>40933401
>Just because it can be ignored
Though let's be honest, I bet the only reason why you seem to be unable to ignore it is because you're on 4chan forever, and allow yourself to be exposed to shitposters like Carnac.

>> No.40933481

>>40933367
>It promises to be interesting
I'm sure we'll get to see the Emperor being a retarded asshole for an entire book. How joyous.

Maybe they'll reveal that he beat Horus every night after football.

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>>40933481
>I'm sure we'll get to see the Emperor being a retarded asshole for an entire book. How joyous.
>MFW
Please no, Anon.
>Maybe they'll reveal that he beat Horus every night after football.
They're not that bad are they? Clearly they won't go that far.

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>>40933403
>Emperor and his Custodes vs Be'lakor who is leading the combined daemon legions of the Chaos Gods
>Be'lakor and Emperor duel like crazy in the Webway in DBZ style and blow are exchanged between the two
>Finally Be'lakor outplans the Emperor and strategically outwits him
>Against the Endless tides of daemons and Be'lakor cunning, the Emperor is forced to retreat back to Real Space
>Be'lakor laughs and proclaims to the heavens "WITNESS ME, MY MASTERS"

Yes please

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>>40933569
>MFW
No. Be'lakor is suppose to be a master of the shadows no? Him messing around in an event like the Horus Heresy would be too obvious.

>> No.40933647

>>40933624
>Him messing around in an event like the Horus Heresy would be too obvious.
But the blunt hamfisted nature of it would be perfect for Be'lakor's 40k fluff.

>> No.40933658

>>40933624
Of shadows and opportunities

Be'lakor would never miss the chance of offering the head of the Anathema to his Four Fathers.

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>>40933647
But that would be...No...Please no.
>>40933658
>Of shadows and opportunities
>Be'lakor would never miss the chance of offering the head of the Anathema to his Four Fathers.
But the Horus Heresy is nothing compared to the 13th Black Crusade. Why try to poke the bear when he's alive when you can poke him when he's dead?

>> No.40933732
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This is a perfect representation of how people who dread the next BL horrible fluff change. AM I right?

>> No.40933747

>>40933732
I guess? I just ignore and laugh at the fools who start to argue with Carnac. It's really not that hard. Same goes for dumb GW and FW fluff

>> No.40933748

>>40933697
For the glory.

The whole Warp seeing Be'lakor humble the Emperor would boost First Prince station tn the hierarchy of the Realm of Chaos and grow his follower base among the daemons of the four.

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>>40933529
>They're not that bad are they? Clearly they won't go that far.
They'd never stretch the blitz of the Heresy into 30+ novels, would they? Clearly they wouldn't go that far.

It would just be absurd.

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>>40933747
>I guess? I just ignore and laugh at the fools who start to argue with Carnac. It's really not that hard. Same goes for dumb GW and FW fluff
Huh. I should start doing that.
>>40933748
>For the glory.
>The whole Warp seeing Be'lakor humble the Emperor would boost First Prince station tn the hierarchy of the Realm of Chaos and grow his follower base among the daemons of the four.
>implying Tzeentch would allow him to experience glory

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>>40933778
>They'd never stretch the blitz of the Heresy into 30+ novels, would they? Clearly they wouldn't go that far.
>It would just be absurd.
I see your point.

>> No.40933847

>>40933778
Brushie brushie brushie brushie. . .

Anyway as far as I'm concerned the old white dwarf short story about the battle of Terra is the definitive telling and all these fucking novels were doomed from the start

>> No.40933914

>>40933068

Actually, that's pretty much Angel Exterminatus or Tallarn Ironclad.

Perturabo uncovers the ruins of a civilisation older than the Emperor himself (The Eldar), what he finds may alter the course of the heresy (Fulgrim becomes Daemon/Daemon Portal)

So yeah, that's already happened.

>> No.40933934

>>40933367
>>40933403

ADB is writing it.

Make of that what you will.

>> No.40933946

What books in the HH series are actually good? I would imagine with so many books there are a few good ones. Sure you know the ending of it all already, but the journey is part of it as well.

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>>40933934

>> No.40933954

>>40933481
>>40933529

It's ADB, he gave us retarded Emperor in TFH and Betrayer.

What do you expect?

>> No.40933963

>>40933934
First day buy.

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40933981

>>40933934
>ADB is writing it.
>Make of that what you will.
I don't know if pic related is my reaction or if >>40933950
but wait
>>40933954
>MFW

>> No.40933983

>>40933748
Could you just please fuck off or kill yourself or something.

>> No.40933984

>>40933946

I liked Know No Fear, Betrayer, Scars and A Thousand Sons. Those ones are largely considered among the best.

>> No.40934016

>>40933983
Only after you.

>> No.40934035

>>40933946
The first three were decent, despite an incredibly derpy and unsubtle start of the first book; and obnoxious behind the scenes character development of Horus in the second.

Flight of the Eisenstein was pretty neat. Beyond that, Scars I guess. But it benefits from there being almost nothing about the White Scars.

>> No.40934040

>>40931630

That sounds like the kind of retardation I'd expect from a really shitty 40k forum freeform RP.

>> No.40934051

>>40934040
>That sounds like the kind of retardation I'd expect from a really shitty 40k forum freeform RP.
>Implying that is not what BL is

>> No.40934065

>>40934040
His defense of it is really the most conclusive proof you'll ever need that Carnac is a shitposter. No one's taste is that shit.

>> No.40934095
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40934095

>>40934065
Yep. Just ignore the Carnac as best as you can.

>> No.40934096

>>40933954
at least one hang-on female character with a TARGIC PAST linked to the emperor

mayhaps the targedy is deliberately caused by him in the first place

>> No.40934099

>>40934065
It isn't the weirdest thing I have seen in 40K.

Just saying.

>> No.40934105

>>40930697

Deathfire somehow manages to sound particularly retarded. It must be because it's so blunt.

>HURR DEATH
>HURR FIRE
>HURR DEATHFIRE

>> No.40934111

>>40934035

The question there is, is what is given to us on the White Scars good or what people wanted? Even if there's nothing on them, if what's given to us is bad it won't matter.

>> No.40934121

>>40934096
>at least one hang-on female character with a TARGIC PAST linked to the emperor
>mayhaps the targedy is deliberately caused by him in the first place
Guy, Big E wasn't a social person since the 1950s. He outlived everyone he knew and loved and that took a toll on him.

>> No.40934139

>>40934096
>>40934121

We already know who that will be, that Perpetual, Aliva Sureka. It's basically been teased she's going to Terra, so I'll put money on her being shoehorned into it.

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>>40934139
>We already know who that will be, that Perpetual, Aliva Sureka. It's basically been teased she's going to Terra, so I'll put money on her being shoehorned into it.
I'd rather Kitten to be in the book than her. I thought she already gave Big E the news.

>> No.40934174

>>40934105
I repeat.

The story is about Vulkan death and rebirth in fire. IMO, Deathfire fits the story.

Here is a challenge for this thread. Come up with a better title for the novel.

>> No.40934186

Jesus fucking Christ perpetual are so fucking dumb it makes me physically angry like holy fuck hurr durr can't did for no raisin and now there are shitloads of them shitting all over as the OC donut steal you never heard of but they were totes important gais

>> No.40934213

>>40934173
She is on her way to Terra with Knight Errant Severian.

I can't wait for her to reach Terra and kick the Sigillite in the balls.

>> No.40934224

>>40934174
Resurrection
Forged Anew
Pheonix Fire
From the Ashes

>> No.40934227

>>40934121
never underestimate black library's ability to make stupid plotlines and characters.

We literally have characters directly mentioning how they fought at fucking Verdun.

>> No.40934250

>Will we ever get another Horus Heresy book that doesn't suck?
It was never good.

>> No.40934254

>>40934213

At this point nearly everyone has kicked the Sigillite in the balls. Lorgar, Mortarion, Dorn, it's a conga line of whose who kicking the poor Sigillite.

>> No.40934268
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>>40934227
Don't forget MLK's death at the hands of an immortal assassin hired by aliens.

>> No.40934285

>>40934213
>She is on her way to Terra with Knight Errant Severian.
>I can't wait for her to reach Terra and kick the Sigillite in the balls.
What did Malcodor ever do? He's a victim in this too.
>>40934227
>never underestimate black library's ability to make stupid plotlines and characters.
>We literally have characters directly mentioning how they fought at fucking Verdun.
Dear Emperor.
>>40934268
>Don't forget MLK's death at the hands of an immortal assassin hired by aliens.
What did the Cabal want with his death anyway? TO mess with conspiracy theorists?

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40934308

What black library authors have actually done a decent job and which ones haven't? I've only read Legion and A Thousand Sons myself, they were alright. Legion got a bit weird.

>> No.40934311

>>40931904
They couldn't just say his body was taken by trazyn and the first forge farther was the one to bitch about the codex

>> No.40934322

>>40934174

Thanks, but I saw your hollow, limp justification earlier. You don't need to repeat it: I got it, and I rejected it. Just because it's contextual doesn't mean it's not a shit title. If that's all that mattered then 'Enigmatwins' would have been a good name for 'Legion', or 'Traitorfop' for 'Fulgrim'.

Stop trying to defend this shit. I really don't care if you like this stupid book or not, and it doesn't matter - the title is terrible either way.

>> No.40934341

>>40934174
FIREDEATH
KILLBURN
AGE OF SALAMANDERGAR: THE END IS ALSO THE BEGINNING
YOU NEED MORE THAN 9MM CRACKA

>> No.40934353

>>40934322
Come up with a better title then!

>> No.40934355

>>40934186

Obvious reverse troll.

Shill harder, BL.

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>>40934341
>YOU NEED MORE THAN 9MM CRACKA

>> No.40934391

>>40934353

There's four on this thread already. Take your pick.

And by the way, that "LE CUM UP WIT A TITTLE XDDD" deflection you keep pushing doesn't stop 'Deathfire' being a shit title. So you can flap and squawk all you like, it's still retarded and you know it.

>> No.40934409

>>40934308
specific authors either make one good book and disappear, or they make a couple good books and fifty completely shitty ones

avoid the horus heresy

read the Enforcer series, Ian Watson's books, Double Eagle and Redemption Corps, though the last is more of a guilty pleasure.

>> No.40934427

>>40934391
I find it fitting and I am not the one defecting anything.

I was just curious about what YOU find to be a more fitting title.

>> No.40934431

>>40934409
The Yarrick series by David Annandale's been a pleasure to read. A pretty unfortunately true assessment though.

>> No.40934484

>>40934431
Couldn't get into the series. Anything Imperial vs Ork turns me off hard.

The only Yarrick story I liked was when he encountered Necrons during a battle with traitors.

>> No.40934502

I havent really read any of the HH books since mechanicus, am I missing out?

>> No.40934512

>>40934502
Not even a little.

>> No.40934533

>>40934512
Actually, he is missing out on the "Vengeful Spirit" plot threads.

>> No.40934536

>>40933954
So daddy issues the book

>> No.40934563

>>40934502
Scars, The First Heretic, Know No Fear.
Yes you are.

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>>40934536
>So daddy issues the book
Are we ready? Read the filename people.

>> No.40934586

>>40934533
Oh Carnac! You silly goose.

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40934587

So who is ready for the bike? I am prepared for it. I know they won't use training wheels.

>> No.40934607

>>40934285
>What did the Cabal want with his death anyway? TO mess with conspiracy theorists?
To start a race war

>> No.40934617

>>40934391
Yes, it's a bad title. But Mount Deathfire is an old part of Salamanders lore. They're not going to change the name.

>> No.40934649

>>40934566
I dunno, I'd rather have In The Grim Darkness of the Far Future, There Are Only Daddy Issues than just a book of only "and then the spesh mehreens boltered everything and it was cool"

>> No.40934661

>>40934607
Huh. That failed spectacularly.

>> No.40934680

>>40934617
Oh...so that's where they are taking Vulkan. Not a Salamander fan and I didn't finish the book so I couldn't guess that the title is doubly fitting.

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>>40934649
>I dunno, I'd rather have In The Grim Darkness of the Far Future, There Are Only Daddy Issues than just a book of only "and then the spesh mehreens boltered everything and it was cool"
But only three primarchs had daddy issues and they were Curze, Angron, and Logar.

>> No.40934705

>>40934661
Yeah, for people who declare to be the best diviners ever, they're more shit-tier than a generic Farseer

>> No.40934714

>>40934661
Well there was a bunch of race riots so kinda

>> No.40934725

>>40934700
Horus and Mort too.

>> No.40934744

>>40934661
He's bullshitting you. It's a throw-away line of all the people an assassin has killed throughout history. No reason is given, nor should we believe its impact isn't something thousands of years down the line.

>> No.40934750

>>40934700
And naturally they're the ones written by ADB

>> No.40934783
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40934783

>>40934705
>Yeah, for people who declare to be the best diviners ever, they're more shit-tier than a generic Farseer
Even the Dick thought they were horrible.
>>40934714
>Well there was a bunch of race riots so kinda
But they didn't affect the entire human race. I don't think the Slavs cared too much.
>>40934725
>Horus and Mort too.
Morty was well adjusted. Sure he had a grudge about not killing his adoptive father but was he that bad?
>>40934744
>He's bullshitting you. It's a throw-away line of all the people an assassin has killed throughout history. No reason is given, nor should we believe its impact isn't something thousands of years down the line.
Right.
>>40934750
>And naturally they're the ones written by ADB
Oh, my. I see it now.

>> No.40934845

>>40934783
>Morty was well adjusted. Sure he had a grudge about not killing his adoptive father but was he that bad?

Pretty sure he couldn't reconcile with the fact that the Emperor was a witch.

>> No.40934882

>>40934845
Malcador had to assure him that sorcery would eventually be removed from the Imperium in order to get him to cooperate.

>> No.40934888
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40934888

>>40934845
>Pretty sure he couldn't reconcile with the fact that the Emperor was a witch.
Did no one explain to him what the difference was?

>> No.40934913
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40934913

>>40934888
There is no difference.

>> No.40934942

>>40934888
in horus heresy land there is no difference
because it means they can try and gain sympathy points for magnus alongside the whole flesh change "oh but I HAD to bargain with daemons to SAVE people" angle

>> No.40934947
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40934947

>>40934913
>There is no difference.
Oh. That changes things.

>> No.40934963

>>40934888
What Mortarion was accustomed to seeing wasn't sorcery in the technical sense. Mortarion was talking about all warp manipulation in general.

>> No.40934964
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40934964

>>40934913
Fuck off Carnac

>> No.40934975

>>40934942
In Studio lore there is no difference to (>>40934913)

Sources "Grey Knight 5th ED codex & "Warhammer 40K Rulebook 6th ED".

>> No.40935000

>>40934942
Of course. Magnus must be the most popular primarch for BL.

>> No.40935006

>>40934964
Retconned and not relevant anymore.

From 5th ED and up, official lore says that Sorcery and Psychic abilities are one and the same.

>> No.40935046

>>40935006
>Retconned and not relevant anymore.
Retcons don't exist in the "everything is true, and none of it is" fluff land of 40k. Also pretty funny words coming from the guy who uses 5e fluff that every world in the Imperium is shit to refute 6e fluff that there are bright spots.

>> No.40935082

>>40935046
>Also pretty funny words coming from the guy who uses 5e fluff that every world in the Imperium is shit to refute 6e fluff that there are bright spots.
>Expecting consistent logic or reasoning in the posts of a shitposter
People will never learn

>> No.40935152
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40935152

>>40935046
>Retcons don't exist in the "everything is true, and none of it is" fluff land of 40k. Also pretty funny words coming from the guy who uses 5e fluff that every world in the Imperium is shit to refute 6e fluff that there are bright spots.
I can't wait for his response.

>> No.40935166

>>40935046
Stop strawmaning.

I never said there weren't bright spots in the Imperium. I always said that the majority of the Imperium is a shithole. A stance supported by 6th ED and 7th ED sources.

And retcons do exist. When studio authors and BL authors will write new content they won't look back the older retconned lore. They will go with what's relevant. You are free to believe whatever you want in your headcanon but you aren't free to claim what's what's in the actual lore and what's not. lso I find you be very dishonest when you tried to pass this off on BL when it came from GW themselves.

>> No.40935209

>>40935166
>And retcons do exist
But they aren't always for the best.

>> No.40935220

>>40929141
>another
>implying there's one to begin with

>> No.40935251
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40935251

>>40934224
>Pheonix Fire

>> No.40935254

>>40935209
I am not defending their quality. I have a couple of retcons which annoy me to no end BUT you don't see me going full denial mode on them. I accept them and move on with my life.

>> No.40935276

>>40935254
>I am not defending their quality. I have a couple of retcons which annoy me to no end BUT you don't see me going full denial mode on them. I accept them and move on with my life.
I never said I went full denial mode.

>> No.40935284

>>40935006
>Retconned and not relevant anymore.
What is "Grey Knights 5th edition"?

Go ahead and show me the same line in the 7th edition codex, please. Oh wait.

>> No.40935288

>>40934353
He already did! "Traitorfop" is fantastic.

>> No.40935308

>>40934111
Put it to you like this: I never gave a shit about White Scars until Scars got published. I'm hardcore Chaos 4 Lyfe and all that (face my Death Guard, faggots) but if I HAD to field a loyalist Legion, it'd be the White Scars.

>> No.40935321

>>40935166
>You are free to believe whatever you want in your headcanon but you aren't free to claim what's what's in the actual lore and what's not
I posted actual lore though, according to the IP Manager everything that's been written is canon truth and falisity, ADB says he ignores shit he doesn't like. Even Gav says that aside from the basest elements of the setting, there's no canon.
Personally, I'll take the word of GW's IP Manager, a codex writer, and a BL author, over the words of a shitposter.

Also, you call me a strawmanner when no where did I mention BL. The shit-tier quality of Ward's fluff used to be renowned on /tg/

>> No.40935340

>>40935284
Nothing retconned what's in the Grey Knight codex and 6th ED rulebook.

It's up for you to provide proof otherwise.

>> No.40935344

>>40932328
Concentrating that much psychic power in one place is pretty much begging for a warpstorm.

>> No.40935346
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40935346

>>40935308
>face my Death Guard
You one of Morty's boys?

>> No.40935373

>>40935344
>Concentrating that much psychic power in one place is pretty much begging for a warpstorm.
They pysker farm is just a means to the end, not a perfect plan. It's all I got.

>> No.40935378
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40935378

>>40935346
Count the Seven, chosen son of Barbarus.

>> No.40935409
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40935409

>>40935378
>Count the Seven, chosen son of Barbarus.
Fun fact: Typhus is getting close to becoming a DP.

>> No.40935416

>>40935340
Nah, your out of date sources are as relevant to the fluff as anon's out of date source.

>> No.40935463

>>40935321
For your headcanon and interpretation of the lore and setting.

But GW has its own interpretation and canon and they often don't look back once they retcon stuff. You end up ignoring all the new lore.

>Also, you call me a strawmanner when no where did I mention BL.

This isn't you (>>40934942)?

Did you not imply there was sorcery and psyker change was conspiracy by BL to make Magnus look bad (Like they needed any help with that!).

>> No.40935487

>>40935416
Nope, new lore takes precedence.

>> No.40935526
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40935526

>>40935463
No, that's not me.

>But GW has its own interpretation and canon and they often don't look back once they retcon stuff.
They retconned the Illumanati, and then in the new Czevak novels, mention them by name. "canon" in any given book or even GW material depends on the whims of the writer within extremely loose boundaries.

>> No.40935535

>>40935487
And as the newest lore makes no distinction, we're all left to our own devices on the matter.

>> No.40935557

>>40935487
Well as the other anon pointed out, that's wrong according to GW's IP Manager. But sure, feel free to work your headcanon that way,

>> No.40935597
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40935597

>yfw GW decides to go back to older lore
>no more pact with Chaos
>A heretical or glorious depending on how you look at it return of Chaos Undivided

>> No.40935640

>>40935535
I meant the newest lore on the subject.

If sources that came after it didn't address, then it continues on as it is. Unless you want to be left in the dark on many lore subjects because 7th ED codexes lore sections are shortened and abridged.

For example, the Craftworld codex doesn't mention what the Rhana Dadra is. I guess it's no longer canon!

>> No.40935683
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40935683

>>40935597
That world still exists anon, if you embrace the open canon!
Join Gav, ADB, and the IP Manager, and countless other anons in the loose canon master race! A beautiful land where you keep your favorite parts of every edition!

You need only release your earthly (internetly) ego and desire to win pointless internet fluff fights.

>> No.40935685

>>40935640
That is your own personal interpretation of the lore, but it is not the stance of games workshop. Take your outdated codices and go back to age of sigmar, carnac.

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40935743

>>40935683
>countless anons
>releasing their earthly (internetly) ego and desire to win pointless internet fluff fights.
>anons

>> No.40935749

>>40935683
>That world still exists anon, if you embrace the open canon!
>Join Gav, ADB, and the IP Manager, and countless other anons in the loose canon master race! A beautiful land where you keep your favorite parts of every edition!
>You need only release your earthly (internetly) ego and desire to win pointless internet fluff fights.
I do that naturally. I just want canon facts to shut Carnac up. Heck, I'm the guy who thinks the Word Bearers burned that perfect city of theirs because Lorgar wanted to show how accepting of the new religion that he was told about.

>> No.40935756

>>40935557
You see

>>40935463

>>40935526
>No, that's not me.

Sorry then.

Introduce yourself when you barrage in a conversation.

>They retconned the Illumanati, and then in the new Czevak novels, mention them by name. "canon" in any given book or even GW material depends on the whims of the writer within extremely loose boundaries.

Np, they didn't retcon them or remove them from the setting. They just stopped mentioning them. The last mention them of them was that the Inquistion believes that they are a Tzeentchian cult.

Which goes to show one of my points. Something exists in the lore UNLESS it gets properly retconned.

>> No.40935824

>>40935756
>Which goes to show one of my points. Something exists in the lore UNLESS it gets properly retconned.
No, that just proves that GW follows its stated loose canon policy instead of strict adherence to The History of the 41st Millennium.

>> No.40935857

>>40934224

Tears of the Phoenix?
By Fire Reborn?

>> No.40935935
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40935935

>>40935824
Nope.

Like I said, properly retconned stuff will never come back newer lore. Stuff that hasn't been retconned or left forgotten has a chance coming back.

Examples for retconned stuff that will never come back "Ork sexual breeding, Oldcrons, etc"

>> No.40936015

>>40935685
>Take your outdated codices and go back to age of sigmar,

You mean shitposting and whining central? No, screw that. The negativity will kill me.

I ain't coming back until my prince makes his triumphant return.

>> No.40936100
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40936100

>>40935346

Will we get a book about the adventures of Pert and Morty?

>> No.40936121

>>40936100
I needed that pic.

>> No.40936186

>>40935935
Also another thing that probably will never comeback.

Undivided Princes.

Now this is retcon that affected not only the setting but the TT and RPGs as well. According to ADB, It was GW imposing their will and desire to scrub the setting clean of the concept of Undivided which they didn't like very much because it distracted players from Chaos being the Four and only the Four.

>> No.40936219

>>40934750

ADB's books are amazing, but his hateboner for the Emperor cause issues with his writing of him.

It's really my only major criticism of ADB.

>> No.40936252

>>40936219
Funny, most Anon "critics" of ADB mention the "Waifus" as their annoyance with his works.

>> No.40936260

>>40936186
>It was GW imposing their will and desire to scrub the setting clean of the concept of Undivided which they didn't like very much because it distracted players from Chaos being the Four and only the Four.
But there was nothing but the Four. It was the worship of the Four.
>>40936219
>ADB's books are amazing, but his hateboner for the Emperor cause issues with his writing of him.
Why? What did the Emperor do to him? Did the Emperor slap his mother?

>> No.40936272

>>40936219
In other words. You take the Ecclesiarchy at face value. Sorry that the Emperor isn't Buddy Christ.

>> No.40936287

>>40936260
>But there was nothing but the Four
>There was nothing but the Four in Chaos Undivided
>>40936272
>You take the Ecclesiarchy at face value. Sorry that the Emperor isn't Buddy Christ.
Yes he was at one time. He got jaded to that.

>> No.40936337

>>40936260
>But there was nothing but the Four. It was the worship of the Four.

In previous editions players got confused and thought that Undivided meant they were worshiping Chaos and not the Four when in actuality Chaos IS the Four.

So Undivided had to go to clear that confusion and also because it was "gamey".

>> No.40936346

>>40936272

In my own opinion his writing of the Emperor is as a pissy douchebag. A nonsensical douchebag at that. It doesn't really do justice to him.

The Emperor is a massive dictator and not an all around nice guy. But ADB's depiction just doesn't jive with me. Too reductive and illogical.

>> No.40936352

>>40936252
You mean, the presence of female characters in a space marine novel? So does Ilya Ravallion count as a waifu to The Khan?

>> No.40936361

>>40936337

Its easier to design and theme around the Big Four and not having the fifth wheel of Chaos Undivided, according to them.

Except when they want to have throw away generic Chaos Badguys to job to protagonists. Then they run into problems. You can see how retarded they are yes?

>> No.40936377

>>40929141
>Will we ever get another Horus Heresy book that doesn't suck?
I think you have to get at least one first to make that statement.

>> No.40936395

>>40936252

It doesn't really bother me. They're people, doing people things. 40k/30k kinda suffers from a lack of women, especially in the Imperium.

His female figures are no more waifus than Euphrati Keeler or Mersadie Oliton.

>> No.40936397

>>40936337
>In previous editions players got confused and thought that Undivided meant they were worshiping Chaos and not the Four when in actuality Chaos IS the Four.
>So Undivided had to go to clear that confusion and also because it was "gamey".
But it was worship of Chaos without bias to anyone Chaotic.

>> No.40936421

>>40936395

Oh and the lady in Deliverance Lost, Corax's "waifu"

>> No.40936456

>>40936186
Similar reason why the Black Templar were reduced in size. They want things more streamlined. Only chapters with their own codex can be different in major ways.

Stupid...stupid GW execs...

>> No.40936459

>>40936395

And a lack of Ethnic diversity. Everyone is as white as the Grand-Wizard of the KKK. Even the blacks are just white people in Blackface.

>> No.40936505

>>40936459
Nonsense, there are still Gangers and Scum.

Seriously, though, lol at how you think a British company should make American black culture in a galactice Imperium set 40,000 years in the future.

Pander much?

>> No.40936513
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40936513

>>40936456
>Similar reason why the Black Templar were reduced in size. They want things more streamlined. Only chapters with their own codex can be different in major ways.
>Stupid...stupid GW execs...
I feel the need for a Crusade. What's next? Will they take away the Redeemer? Actually, maybe a good novel about him could get things going right for BL.

>> No.40936518

>>40936459

There's a fair amount of black people. Actually Abnett is pretty good about including them.

And how do you expect people to act? It's 20/30k years in the future, culture is completely different.

And I bet more than a few non-sally marines have been described as black. It just doesn't come up more after initial descriptions because it's unimportant to the character.

>> No.40936562

>>40936505

There's black people in England. Hell, England's pretty multi-cultural, even 'ethnic' English come from French, Scandinavian, Germanic and even Latin stock.

>> No.40936568

>>40936459
Celestial Lions say hi. And no, they're not dead.

>> No.40936570
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40936570

>>40936518
>There's a fair amount of black people. Actually Abnett is pretty good about including them.
> And how do you expect people to act? It's 20/30k years in the future, culture is completely different.
> And I bet more than a few non-sally marines have been described as black. It just doesn't come up more after initial descriptions because it's unimportant to the character.
There are dark skinned Fernisians, there was a black WE, and the Celestial Lions may be black or at least have African sounding names.

>> No.40936613

>>40934308
ADB and Abnett come off as the only ones with any real talent.

>> No.40936635

>>40936613

Abnett doesn't care anymore (He's now working on Marvel Comics and has largely left 30k/40k) and ADB has his Black Legion series to occupy him.

>> No.40936681

>>40936562
Yeah, but Black Englishmen are pretty much the same as regular Englishmen.

Well, except the Jamaicans. But still.

There isn't the significant cultural divide along race so much as it is among class there. So you don't have Black people get accused of "Acting White".

That's more of an American thing.

>> No.40936693
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40936693

>>40936635
>Abnett doesn't care anymore
This makes so much sense.

>> No.40936719

>>40936613
Wright, Sanders, Haley, and French can all pull off solid work most of the time.

>> No.40936754

>>40936635
I am feeling there is some sort of countdown. The Black Legion series will follow Abaddon's life from the first crusade to the moment he launches the 13th.

The Phoenix Lord series is about the PLs final adventures in the final years of the setting (997+ 41K). It starts with Asurman (First of the PL) and ends with Maugan Ra who will be the one who will herald the Rhanda Dandra in 999 41K.

Can't help that the countdown leads to the announcement of the 40K End Times.

>> No.40936763

>>40936635

Abnett's done comics for a long time.

>> No.40936774

>>40933934
So we'll be introduced to the Emperor's love interest that dies and also some family member of the Emperor that he has to save and ultimately let go of?

>> No.40936777
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40936777

>>40936754

>> No.40936783

>>40936754
Can't help but to think*

>> No.40936797

>>40936774
>So we'll be introduced to the Emperor's love interest that dies and also some family member of the Emperor that he has to save and ultimately let go of?
This is probably what happened before Big E even thought of the primarchs.

>> No.40936975
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40936975

I don't want it to happen.

>> No.40937063

Sallies are my favorite chapter. What was wrong with the books? What happens in them?

>> No.40937130

>>40937063
>Sallies are my favorite chapter. What was wrong with the books? What happens in them?
Super Sayian Librarians and Vulkan killing innocent civilians.

>> No.40937163

>>40937063

The shit book is the third of the 40k Sallies book.
The "Super Sayian" Libby and what not. I just wasn't impressed.

Vulkan Lives is just weird... Really rushed through so much plot at the end there.

>> No.40937253

>>40937130
>Vulkan killing innocent civilians

You mean Promethean Sun? They weren't innocent. They xeno tainted and would never accept the Imperium after they slaughtered their Eldar gods.

>> No.40937306

>>40937253
>You mean Promethean Sun? They weren't innocent. They xeno tainted and would never accept the Imperium after they slaughtered their Eldar gods.
But that's the thing though. Eldar. Eldar trying to be nice without any other motives. They don't do that a lot.

>> No.40937339
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40937339

>>40937306
This is 40K and (picture related) is pretty much the law.

>> No.40937360

>>40937339
So the Eldar wanted Vulkan to kill those civis?

>> No.40937366

>>40937306

Hence why no one trusted them.

Traditional Eldar dickery + Vulkan's history + distinguishing between Craftworld/Exodite Eldar and Dark Eldar not being as easy as it is from a meta perspective = dead civvies.

>> No.40937376

>>40933529
>literally a skull

He's not actually dead, he's on ultra-turbo-uber-life support

>> No.40937385

>>40937360
No, just that the Eldar deserve to get punished for being nice.

>> No.40937416

>>40937366
>Hence why no one trusted them.
>Traditional Eldar dickery + Vulkan's history + distinguishing between Craftworld/Exodite Eldar and Dark Eldar not being as easy as it is from a meta perspective = dead civvies.
So it wasn't Vulkan's fault?
>>40937376
>He's not actually dead, he's on ultra-turbo-uber-life support
He's a mummy without wrappings at this point.
>>40937385
>No, just that the Eldar deserve to get punished for being nice.
Because Eldar niceness is the worst?

>> No.40937502

>>40937416

No it was. But it's not like there wasn't mitigating circumstances.

>> No.40937543
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40937543

>>40937502
>No it was. But it's not like there wasn't mitigating circumstances.
So it was a disaster from the very beginning?

>> No.40937564

>>40937543
It's 40k, of course it was a disaster from the beginning.

>> No.40937576

>>40937543

Vulkan + Eldar = Bad end.

Some of the other Primarchs maybe not so much. Magnus for example.

>> No.40937605

>>40934700
nah bruh they all fucked up

>> No.40937633

This thread needs more sororitas porn

>> No.40937686
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40937686

>>40937564
>It's 40k, of course it was a disaster from the beginning.
We need more things going better than expected.
>>40937576
>Vulkan + Eldar = Bad end.
>Some of the other Primarchs maybe not so much. Magnus for example.
I think Magnus would have just been creepy to the Eldar out. They're already scared of marines and something like Magnus would have been a walking middle finger.
>>40937605
>nah bruh they all fucked up
Not all of them.

>> No.40937742

>>40937686

Fulgrim mentions in Fulgrim(the book) that Magnus has dealt with Eldar before in a non-extermination way.

>> No.40937748

>>40937686
>I think Magnus would have just been creepy to the Eldar out. They're already scared of marines and something like Magnus would have been a walking middle finger.

Nah.

During the Great Crusade, Mangus was chill with the Eldar.

>> No.40937759

>>40937742
>Fulgrim mentions in Fulgrim(the book) that Magnus has dealt with Eldar before in a non-extermination way.
He did?
>>40937748
>Nah.
>During the Great Crusade, Mangus was chill with the Eldar.
And now he thinks they're soul food?

>> No.40937760
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40937760

>>40937742
Lorgar does too in (picture related).

>> No.40937777

>>40937760
Has the Avatar of Khaine ever actually killed anything?

>> No.40937794

>>40937777
>Has the Avatar of Khaine ever actually killed anything?
He's killing time.

>> No.40937902

>>40937759

Yeah, it came up when Fulgrim was dealing with Eldrad.

>> No.40937914

>>40937902
>Yeah, it came up when Fulgrim was dealing with Eldrad.
Neat. Well I got to go to bed.

>> No.40938002

>>40936635

We're never going to see the rest of the Pariah series are we?

>> No.40938346

>>40938002

I raged so hard at the end of that book.

3/4 of it were so fuckin bad. I get what he was trying to do, but it completely did not work for me.

And then he drops that bombshell at the end. FUCK YOUUUUUUUU ABNETT

>> No.40938354

Fulgrim is still the best book.

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>>40938346

inorite? But we're fucked anyway, seems like he's pretty much ditched writing for BL.

>> No.40938483

>>40931718
why cant GW just say it never happened? why do they keep adding more to ruin the setting?

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