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38824190 No.38824190 [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

>What is Eternal Crusade?
Eternal Crusade is an upcoming MMO set in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium. In it, players play as pious Space Marines, foul Orks, mysterious Eldar, and heretical Chaos Space Marines as a procedurally generated war rages for the planet Akrhona. From the greenest neophyte to the most experienced chapter master, players will be able to affect the battle and the story penned by Graham Mcneill, a famous Black Library author. This will be considered a canon part of the lore, giving the Imperium an interactivity by fans never seen before!

>Awesome! What can I do to support this project?

You can start out by creating an account on the forums (preferably with a referral code) and discussing the game, features, and balancing with the actual developers! You can also refer friends and family to the forum with a code of your very own. This will give you points, which will then allow you to purchase items in the Rogue Trader shop to give your warrior the edge they need in battle!

>How can I help this great game even further?

The greatest bonuses and feedback go to Founders, people who give financial aid to the in-development project. As reward for their faith and aid in making Eternal Crusade the best it can be, their player characters will stand out on the battlefield, woe befalling all who come against them. Please, found Eternal Crusade now, and be a part of the most ambitious MMO this year! :)

>Join the crusade! https://www.eternalcrusade.com/

>> No.38824199
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Man I wanna believe that this game won't suck a fat one but I can't be sure. I'm definitely not buying in early with the Rogue trader shop though. Also post this to /v/ fucker.

>> No.38824200

>>38824190

It can't be canon. The Angry Marines are in it

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Flamers when

>> No.38824208

>>38824190
never pre order a game m8s, not in this day and age, especially not an mmo

I think the project looks cool, but until it is a finished product they will not get a dime from me

>> No.38824218
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>cash shop years before it's even released

Wouldn't touch it with two ten foot poles.

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I'm watching the latest gameplay vid on youtube. They've made some progress since the last time I've watched, but they only show off the same area, its only Marines vs CSM, and I'm not gonna comment on balance or whatever, but the guns are so hilariously fucking shitty past like 5 feet, and the whole time they're like "alright, lets advance through cover" and then they'll take shots at a guy who is just way out of range, who is also shooting and not even coming close to hitting. This game isn't gonna be ready in 2015, maybe mid 2016.

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>>38824190

>n-no it's okay guys the cash shop is just for cosmetics!
>o-okay it's actually minor sidegrades
>f-fine its incredibly overpriced exclusive content

I'm gonna enjoy watching this flop

>> No.38824447

>>38824264
>Realised they fucked everything up by pandering to faggots who wanted to be "founders" on their forum
>Now focused on extracting as much cash from said founders as possible before the game evaporates.

>> No.38824477

>>38824190
>no playable nids
>cash shop and exclusive contents
>canon part of the lore, with at least 5 chapters, 5 legions, 5 clans, 5 craftworlds, special characters and more on a single planet
Why didn't they divide the various war zones trough different worlds, fuck the super special secret plot

>captcha: vilsre disgrace

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38824520

>wanting to play tyranids
Why?

>> No.38824536

>>38824520
There are always some fuckers who think that playable nids would be somehow possible without shitting on their lore utterly.

>> No.38824545

>>38824264

I'm somewhat hopeful that they'll reverse direction and keep away entirely from pay2win. If anything it'll work the planetside 2 way of pay2notgrind.

Really hoping this game isn't done in by the devs, I've been wanting something like this for a long time.

>> No.38824550

this game is going to suck but ill play it now that im sick of spacemarine. hope they add Astra Mil.

>> No.38824556

>>38824545
You would hope that since they took the entire concept of the game from one that is already made (Planetside) and then took the models and animations from another one (Space Marine) that they should have a fairly easy time not fucking blowing it. We'll have to see though.

>> No.38824560

>>38824550
ahahahahahahahaha

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>>38824520
Because it would be fun

>> No.38824583

>>38824190

>As reward for their faith and aid in making Eternal Crusade the best it can be, their player characters will stand out on the battlefield, woe befalling all who come against them.

Made my fucking stomach turn.

>> No.38824602

>>38824190
>their player characters will stand out on the battlefield, woe befalling all who come against them.

Welp, looks like I'll be skipping this one, then. Which is a shame, since being able to play as an Eldar sounded fantastic, but I'm not supporting P2W garbage.

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>>38824561
When you already promised EVERY other faction, cutting nids as playable is entirely within reason (synapse + hivemind), maybe another studio will make an asymmetric 'nids vs whatever game, though I dont think deathwing is going to have playable nids.

>> No.38824622

>>38824536
>tyranids players coordinate attacks and use tactics
>LORE RAPE!
>tyranids don't coordinate attacks because players don't talk to each other
>LORE RAPE!
>any other faction doing the same
>you need to do sacrifices for gameplay sake guys

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Like a prophecy.

>> No.38824643

>>38824520
Because fun. They're a big, playable part of the tabletop that lots of people have fun with.

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>>38824622
>thinking anyone but the most tight knit squads will coordinate at all beyond "kill that thing"

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>Dark Millennium died for this shit-heap

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>>38824699
Did we even see anything on Dark Millennium other than that one trailer that released? It did already look better than this though.

>> No.38824756

>>38824699
Dark Millenium looked like a shitheap in itself, so it's not like anything of value was lost.

>> No.38824760

Lets brainstorm how the nids class structure would work

I assume it'd be warrior, lictor, hive guard?, gargoyle?, gaunt/gant/pyrovore?(have to stay in synapse?)

How would vehicles work? Would you just spawn as a different nid?

I only see the same five or six nid units on the table top, so I dont know any more than above + flyrant, and lord.

>> No.38824767

>>38824760
>Lets brainstorm how the nids class structure would work

A better game.

>> No.38824788

>>38824760
Synapse is easy.

If everyone's close enough together, you get basically wallhacks (because everyone can see what you see). Probably also a passive buff of some sort. If you stray too far, no more wallhacks and you're weaker.

>> No.38824794

>>38824760
Probably do it as having the 3 basic classes being Hormagaunt, Termagant, and Gargoyle/Genestealer or something. Warrior would be an unlockable class, and vehicles would probably be Carnifex or other Monstrous Creatures. Synapse would have to be a buff only rather than a debuff for not having it, because otherwise playing Tyranids would suck ass, and it would be a not great buff anyway. probably like +20% speed.

>> No.38824837

>>38824618
>When you already promised EVERY other faction, cutting nids as playable is entirely within reason
And that's a justification now?
Being used as the balancing force and the difficulty of synapse are more believable excuses but they too can be solved

>> No.38824885

>>38824837
One of quite a few justifications yes, when you already promise the world, its best not to promise the moon as well, and without nids constantly nipping at the heels of the current strongest (or most populated) race, it becomes harder for the races lower on the totem pole to compete aside form momentary alliances that the players on the ground would most likely ignore entirely and go straight back to killing anything that isn't them.

>> No.38824966

>>38824760
>termagants, hormagaunts and gargoyles are free to play, weak but fast and with no respawn time
>genestealer are the tactical marine equivalent
>warriors, lictors, bio/pyrovores, zoan/venomthropes, guards are terminator/wraithguard class equivalents
>monstrous creatures are purchased like vehicles, are weaker and can only be piloted by one guy, tervigons act as moving spawning points
>a player is spawn as a tyrant when the warcouncil (hivemind) empowers him for a time

>without synapse, if you're not a genestealer or a lictor, you don't have minimap, chat and other indicators, shooting accuracy and visibility are reduced (parts of the screen are obscured),also receive minor damage over time

>> No.38824983

>>38824190

Fuck off, GW shill. You are as bad at your job as every dev team to try making a GW property game thus far has been at theirs. If I knew who you were I would come round to Lenton Lane and smash your idiot fucking face in with a pipe for being such a pricknozzle.

>> No.38825001

>>38824520

>abloo bloo
>stop liking what I dont like
>gaiz
>hay gaiz
>i said stop :(

>> No.38825004

>>38824885
>and without nids constantly nipping at the heels of the current strongest (or most populated) race
Who said you need to remove the computer controlled nids?
Allowing a player to gain control over a tyranid when one of said assaults happens would be enough
Synapse would limit the players from running away from the war zone

>> No.38825007

>>38824550

Confirmed for OP samefagging like a massive cuntrag. No one calls Guard "Astra Mil". Just hang yourself. You are a disgrace to your parents.

>> No.38825031

>>38824618
Actually I believe its been said once you are killed in DW you can play as genestealers to kill your former teammates

>> No.38825059

>>38824635
Weren't there other comics like this one? Post them.

>> No.38825117

Nids get a field of vision radar if another nid can see a target everyone gets it as a blip on their radar. Wall vision like the other a non mentioned, bids get a serious boost to damage and a debuff to health when they are together making flanks deadly but head on swarms manageable with decent aim.

The ability to feast on fallen opponents to regenerate health. Feasting reduces armor by a shit tonne during the act so you're at your most vulnerable. On the plus side depending on what you feasted on you will respawn with bonus stats and buffs to your ability eg ork grant tenacity and defense, eldar grant increased agility and speed. These bonuses are lost upon respawning but it grants them a snowball system, where each respawn you're in a better place able to harvest more biomass becoming a boss in your own right which would force players to hunt and shut you down.

>> No.38825147

>>38825117
>The ability to feast on fallen opponents to regenerate health. Feasting reduces armor by a shit tonne during the act so you're at your most vulnerable. On the plus side depending on what you feasted on you will respawn with bonus stats and buffs to your ability eg ork grant tenacity and defense, eldar grant increased agility and speed. These bonuses are lost upon respawning but it grants them a snowball system, where each respawn you're in a better place able to harvest more biomass becoming a boss in your own right which would force players to hunt and shut you down.
Nids don't work that way and introducing additional mechanics is not necessary

>> No.38825192

>>38825147
My nid lore is pretty limited and probably outdated but weren't nids able to counter evolve to an extent within a few waves?

>> No.38825294

>>38825192
Yes, but they do not evolve on an individual scale
Most of them don't even have a functioning digestive system
The biomass is harvested by specific tyranids (rippers are there are others like the pyrovores, the haruspex and one of the most important, the malanthrope that specifically analyses and collects tissues and DNA) the harvested biomass is then sent to the ships and used to breed more tyranids, but the evolutionary part is done by the norn queens that choose what to alter in the next wave and what broods to spawn, the factories and genetic manipulators basically
Few are the nids able to mutate on the battlefield, or to reproduce autonomously for what matters

Anyway the point was that the tyranids adapting to the opponent would be represented enough by players choosing new classes and biomorphs to spawn with, no reason to complicate further

>> No.38825303

>>38825294
>rippers are the most common but

>> No.38825314

Seems like implementing Tyranids in a way that would make everyone happy def. isn't worth the effort when you consider how many people actually wanna play Tyranids. No one wants to be a shitty gaunt.

>> No.38825344

I'm actually kinda sad guys. I mean, I've been looking forward to this game since the beginning and defending it but looking at the most recent footage really makes me depressed.

It's like 6 months away from beta dudes, how much can they possibly change in that short amount of time? As it is it looks like a 4/10 shooter at best. We haven't even gotten any footage of any of the xenos factions yet.

>> No.38825379

>>38825344
Said it earlier in the thread, they have ripped the animations out of Space Marine, the models too. When you jump in the air with the assault pack, you get the same fucking ground indicator as Space Marine. So how the fuck have they made no progress, its not like they came up with some crazy idea that needs practice to be implemented, its Planetside 40K. Not only that, they've only shown the same fortress area in all of the videos, and as you said, only CSM and Space Marines, I don't think they've even shown an in-game image of Eldar or Orks.

>> No.38825393

>>38825031
Oh, cool have they said when its releasing yet?

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>>38825001
I didn't say stop, I asked why.

>> No.38825422

>>38824190
>The greatest bonuses and feedback go to Founders, people who give financial aid to the in-development project. As reward for their faith and aid in making Eternal Crusade the best it can be, their player characters will stand out on the battlefield, woe befalling all who come against them. Please, found Eternal Crusade now, and be a part of the most ambitious MMO this year! :)
This thing could have been a game so good it's sad to see where it's heading to

>> No.38825429

>>38824190
Jesus Christ, i've seen better website designs on geocities in the 90's

>p2w cash shop before game is even out
Jesus Christ

>> No.38825435

>>38825314
>No one wants to be a shitty gaunt.
You would be surprised

>> No.38825444

>>38825429
>Jesus Christ, i've seen better website designs on geocities in the 90's

Don't be too silly anon.

>> No.38825463

>>38825429
Its definitely not as bad as it could be. I've seen some shitty websites.

>> No.38825466

>>38825435
>lets implement this whole faction for the 10 loud retards who really want it for some reason

As much as I'd like for every race to be represented in this sinking ship of a game, Tyranids would be the last I'd think we'd actually see, its too much work to put in a faction that wouldn't be popular. It would take a fucking miracle for this game to not just be a bomb as soon as it comes out though, unless these guys push back until like late 2016, or they are hiding a ton of fucking shit, this game is gonna be trash.

>> No.38825635

>>38825466
The faction is already implemented
They have the models, the animations, the lore and game balancing reasons
They only need to let players take control over some computer driven tyranids and they would have done it

I agree with you though, thinning the players further with another faction would not help a game in the making, but saying tyranids can't be implemented or aren't wanted enough when people listed ways to make them in the game and there's a huge fan base out there, not even considering it would attract any kind of xenomorphs/zergs/bugs/aliens fan bases in general it's just ignorant

convincing the devs to eventually implement them in a future release when the game has settled would be enough for me

>> No.38826146

>>38824264

It was pay to play from the beginning, but you could choose at first how much you wanted to play to get into a role. It was an interesting concept but the game itself doesn't look very good.

>> No.38826152

>>38824520

Stalk shit and rip it apart of course

>not going full lictor and dragging screaming guardsmen out of their squads into nothingness

>> No.38826181

>>38824545

>tfw started college, Dark Millennium would be finished months after I was done
>almost done
>game cancelled
>this shit is announced

I'm skeptical. DM was more like 40k World of warcraft but what is the point of a game without any carrots on the sticks?

I mean, if we're just going to cap points, lose points to recap them later without anything else to do, that's going to get boring fast. There's no feeling of progression to it. Might as well play WoW instead, even though that's shit too. Games that make me want to read math books are not a good thing.

>> No.38826514

>>38826181
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Dark millenium was only a wow clone:
"As a WoW fanatic, I'm going to go right to 40K as soon as it comes out. It's very friendly to the WoW player," Bilson told


w w w . gameinformer . com /b/news/archive/2010/07/01/how-quot-friendly-to-wow-players-quot-is-too-friendly-for-warhammer-40-000-mmo.aspx

>> No.38829750

>>38824190
>affect the battle and the story penned by Graham Mcneill
As if anyone will give a single fuck about the story.

>This will be considered a canon part of the lore
Yeah, calling bullshit on that one. Even if by some miracle it's true, it will be irrelevant in the grand scheme of the setting.

>You can also refer friends and family to the forum with a code of your very own.
Fuck you, I wouldn't scam my friends and family into an as of yet unavailable product if you paid me to.

>Founders, people who give financial aid to the in-development project.
So what happened to fully funded™?

>:)
Faggot.

Just fuck off, Miguel.

>> No.38830301

>>38829750
Miguel left the company in January.

>> No.38830361

>>38830301
My mistake. On the other hand that explains the lack of eye raping grammar.

>> No.38830382

>>38824190
>Has made millions of dollars off of fans
>Isn't even released yet
>Still claiming to have trouble with funding

It's a fucking scam

>> No.38830458

>>38830382
>Still claiming to have trouble with funding
Do they? I mean, I have no doubt that it's a shameless attempt to rip people off, but all they are saying is that you're welcome to throw your money at them.

>> No.38831189

>>38825314
I actually would love playing a shitty gaunt but because Nids ain't in the game I'll be a shitty regular ork boy if I play.

>> No.38831262

>>38824200
What?

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>>38824699
>>38824748
>>38824756
>>38826181
The devs did nothing but talk about how "amazing" WoW was during interviews, it would've been just as shit.
>>38825635
>The faction is already implemented
>They have the models, the animations, the lore and game balancing reasons
And you know this because
>>38825059
K
Starting off with a classic from the very first few shillings to celebrate Miguel abandoning the project, probably with all of (if not, definitely most) of the funding.

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>>38831775

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>>38831817

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>>38831861
Original from the first thread, which ended in Miguel getting his ass handed to him.

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>>38831911

>> No.38831949

>>38824520
Honestly, I would love to play nids, I collect them, I love them, HOWEVER I do understand how hard it would be to implement, having lictors shouting "noob" and teabagging wouldn't feel right...

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>>38831934

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>>38831958

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>>38831975
And the template.

>> No.38832084

How is this OP not a blatant advertisement?

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>>38832027

>> No.38832116

>>38831949
>what are eldar
>what are spehss mehreens

>> No.38832142

>>38832084
The mods here only care about smut circlejerking.

>> No.38832155

Remember when they "confirmed" four or five classes per race but every time a fan who paid to use their special forums asked for a new class they'd say "we're working on it" or "you never know!"

>> No.38832234

>>38824966
>without synapse, if you're not a genestealer or a lictor, you don't have minimap, chat and other indicators, shooting accuracy and visibility are reduced (parts of the screen are obscured),also receive minor damage over time

WAY too much of a drawback with no benefit

Without synapse you should lose mini map and maybe only hear other nids that are right next to you

With synapse perhaps a passive speed or toughness bonus?

>> No.38832240

>>38832155
>"fan"
>not Founder™

>> No.38832581

>>38825466
Not popular? They are one of THE most popular 40k races, they get an update every edition and are collected by a hell of a lot of players

>> No.38832602

>>38832116
What

>> No.38832697

>>38832602
that would be just as retarded and immersion breaking coming from sm and eldar

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>>38832697
>Founder characters will stand out on the battlefield, woe befalling all who come against them.
>and then the ADHD thirteen year old playing it starts shrieking over voice chat

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Have you guys seen this?

Rodeo Games, the guys who brought turn based combat to iOS with Warhammer Quest and Hunters 1-2 are doing Deathwatch vs Tyranids

http://www.pockettactics.com/news/ios-news/revealed-deathwatch-tyranid-invasion-bursts-from-the-chests-of-rodeo-games-this-summer-for-ios/

>> No.38833587

>>38833500
>Warhammer Quest
Typical microtransaction BS, expect dreds to be worth somewhere around $2.50.

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It's been a while since I logged into my account, they changed the RT store up a fair bit. I guess I have to rebuy all the stuff in the Rogue Trader store? And where did the special banners go?

>> No.38833951

>>38824190
Why does the OP read so much like a shill?

>As reward for their faith and aid in making Eternal Crusade the best it can be, their player characters will stand out on the battlefield, woe befalling all who come against them.
AKA Pay2Win

>> No.38834060

>>38833901
Gotta pay more shekels. You wouldn't wanna come off as... a troll not supportive of the project, would you?

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>>38834060

Guess I'll look into it. Already put $250 into the game, need to learn how the new system works.

>> No.38834112

>>38833951
It's not pay 2 win, it's pay to FUN! :^)

>> No.38834182

>>38834105
>Already put $250 into the game
Good goy.

>> No.38836218

>>38824264

Wait what? The opposite happened. It used to be exclusive content, and now it's only re-skins of stuff available in-game.

With regards to the game itself, it looks like they're jut copying Space Marine and porting it into an MMO. And, considering I have like 250 hours in Space Marine, I'll be fine if that's all it ends up being.

>> No.38836288

>>38831911
The fuck did we do? At first, many of is were cautiously optimistic and then as a lot of people on their forms were pushing for p2w style stuff, many of us wanted to wash our hands of it and would mentire how things were going in the threads. I mean as far as I know we'be done nothing too offensive

>> No.38838071

>>38836218
>It used to be exclusive content, and now it's only re-skins of stuff available in-game.

Yeah, like bikes being only available to founders, entire classes, multiple item descriptions hinting towards affecting gameplay in one way or the other... sure, "only reskins".

>>38836288
Exactly. We actually asked questions and got called trolls in response, which pissed off everybody that wasn't a shill.

>> No.38838319

>>38838071

>Yeah, like bikes being only available to founders, entire classes, multiple item descriptions hinting towards affecting gameplay in one way or the other... sure, "only reskins".

Okay, when you first posted it, I assumed you just didn't know it had been changed, so I corrected you. But I don't think I'm expecting too much when I wish you'd have just googled it before replying.

>We’ve switched the Rogue Trader from side-grades to Aesthetic only upgrades

It happened in December.

>Source
http://us8.campaign-archive2.com/?u=813aa425c2f4e16c135aee442&id=1a186c94e2&e=7a01936a21

>> No.38838358

>>38838319
That must have gone over well with the founders.

>> No.38838453

>>38838358

It didn't. The game has been terrifically mismanaged in a variety of ways. But, to be honest, if I'm going to give them shit, it's not going to be for this.

At least, somewhere in their developer-dungeon, someone on the team realized how fucking dumb the old founder store was, and how much it was damaging the game. It would have been better if they hadn't already *sold* the shit as unique, gameplay-affecting items, but they're retarded, so I'm not terribly surprised.

>> No.38838558

>>38838453
All they do is change their minds at a whim based on feedback to get the most pre-orders physically possible. I remember months ago fanboys of the game were lecturing me on what was "confirmed" by the devs and most of that has changed.

>> No.38838678

>>38838319
Oh I know, I'm just not believing it. I'm willing to accept the armor as skins, but that doesn't change that there are still classes that're founder-only, along with this:

>Deathwish Pistol

>The Mark IV’s success is somewhat of a “happy accident”. The weapon fires plasma in short, defused spurts allowing the user to cover an area with only one shot. Good for suppressing heavily-entrenched foes, the weapon is more susceptible to overheating than normal, due to thinner coils and less ventilation.

Higher damage, quicker and longer cooldown.

>Apollo Pattern Plasma Gun

>First adopted by the Blood Angels, the MK I Apollo Pattern Plasma gun was created design by one of their less known Techsmiths. The weapon gained popularity with other “fire based” chapters, like the Salamanders, when it was shown to have a “molten lava” like effect when fired on most worlds.

While the blue-white coils burn hotter than standard blue plasma weapons, resulting in a longer damage over time effect, they are also prone to overheating faster.

Same as above.

>Requiem Heavy Bolter

>The MK IV Requiem Pattern Heavy Bolter generally sees more use in the hands of the Dark Angel chapter—their dedication to scripture and lore far surpassing most other chapters. The special incense burned in the censor has gained the nickname “Uzziel’s breath”, and is said to be calming and to sharpen focus.

Straight-up P2W. More accurate, less recoil.

And it just goes on and on.

>>38838558
The word is "cut features".

Ignoring that something has to be there in the first place to be cut.

>> No.38838807

>>38838678
>something has to be there in the first place to be cut.

Good point. Orks and Eldar could be "cut" tomorrow and you'd never know the difference.

>> No.38838844

>>38831262
An obvious joke in one of their newsletters meant to trick retards into buying it, as they've been getting more and more desperate to make as much money as possible before the game flops since Miguel left. The sad part is that it probably worked.

>> No.38839020

>>38838807
I'm still sticking to the theory that after all the hype, after all the "promised" features (which they've been redacting or straight-up pretending were never part of the project by the truckload for awhile now), the game's gonna be nothing but a shitty version of Space Marine. And then the fanboys will blame us on how bad the game turned out to be, for not making it "the best it could be".

>> No.38839080

>>38839020
"If only you'd bought more founder's packs!"

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>they picked cool hipster craftworlds that i've always liked for the potential additional eldar faction
>I can still resist the temptation to support this abortion

The Emperor lends me his strength!

>> No.38839232

>>38839145
See >>38838807, don't believe something's in-game until there's actual footage -- and even that can be duped. For all we know, xenos could be the very last thing to be unfortunately cut -- though if we get enough money, you might just see it in the grimdark future! ;)

>> No.38839336

>>38839232
I know that anon. That's why it didn't persuade me to do anything.

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>>38839145

>Even Behaviour know that Alaitoc is garbage

Based Mymerea all the way.

>> No.38842373

>>38824264
>Enjoy watching this flop
Why would you not want this to be good?

>> No.38842427

>>38842373
It's not that we don't wish everything they promised from the very start was true so much as it's all bullshit and been unraveling at an escalated pace ever since Miguel left.

>> No.38842525

>>38842427
I guess if worst comes to worst we can just play it while its free to play?

>> No.38842627

>>38842525
So long as it doesn't come with SecuROM-tier DRM or shit that lets them look at your PC (both wouldn't be too surprising with these folks,) and assuming that the game ever actually comes out, I'm still gonna max out free Orks assuming that isn't just another cut feature.

>> No.38843681

Have we actually seen any Eldar models yet or are Space Marines still the only confirmed force?

>> No.38844073

>>38843681
Nope just SM CSM and some vehicles

>> No.38844127

>>38843681
>>38844073
There was a teaser last year that showed a dire avenger skeleton but no animations or anything.

>> No.38844294

>>38843681
Outside of a shitty cinematic trailer, no.

>> No.38844930

How many of you are the people who preordered in that big hype thread way back?

>> No.38844954

>>38844930
...I did. Only the $40 version though.

>> No.38844989

>>38844930
I was among the suspicious anons digging into Miguel's business practices and politely asking for answers from the very beginning, so glad my paranoia payed off.

>> No.38845040

>>38844954
iktf.

Still don't even know what I'm going to play as since Orks will be overrun by third world F2Pers, SM and Chaos Marines will be manchildren and Eldar will be Eldar.

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>>38845040
>Not wanting to lead the Brazillians, Russians, and underage b& to victory against the manchildren, edgelords, and ERPussies

>> No.38845132

>>38845097
You won't be leading.

>> No.38845170

>>38845132
No shit, but it's gonna be glorious to see whoever does end up at top making them cry that Ork is too strong pls debuff.

>> No.38845285

>>38845097
>>38845132
>>38845170
I've led enough raids on WoW to know that telling 40, 25 or even 10 people who speak your language is pretty hard. It's going to be impossible with Russians/BRs and Peruvians.

All those idiots who go "hurr i'll lead em right n propa like a real ork warboss look at me flash founders pack boss pole" will be in for a rude awakening.

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>quest threads are the cancer they say
>lewd threads are shitting up the board they say
>shill posts a literal advertisement thread and the mod do nothing

So quests are shit, lewd is cancer but advertisers coming on to my /tg/ and hassling me for money is a-okay!

Holy Jesus I'm fucking mad!

>> No.38845353

>>38845285
I was imagining it more as drawing pretty crosshairs on the map and giving big bonuses to people who fight in critical areas while telling specialist klan groups about the really important shit. Faggots trying to pull rank in the middle of some random skirmish, especially founders, will be laughed as hard at by me as every other Brazilruschild.

>> No.38845383

>>38845353
We can hope. Otherwise it's just gonna be midfield fighting like every MMO that isnt DAOC.

>> No.38845622

>Mfw I just want to make a game where I'm a guardsman who's fighting off an invasion by a dark eldar raiding party on some back water world that means ultimately nothing.

>> No.38845845

>>38845353
>I was imagining it more as drawing pretty crosshairs on the map
>orks council writes WAAAGH! All over the battlefield map

>> No.38845943

Am I the only one who is worried about how fragile they've made the Space Marines seem?

Also am I the only one who wants a tactical shooter game about being a Stormtrooper (Tempestus Scions) and operating with your Stormtrooper buddies?

>> No.38845964

>>38845943
How tough do you think Marines are?

>> No.38845979

>>38845964
T4?

>> No.38846005

>>38845943
>Also am I the only one who wants a tactical shooter game about being a Stormtrooper (Tempestus Scions) and operating with your Stormtrooper buddies?

Hopefully.

>> No.38846031

>>38845943

I'd honestly prefer something a bit more middle ground.

Stormtroopers are a bit too 'Reskinned CoD', while Marines are a bit more...well, we have a game about them.

I'd love to see one with SOB. Tactical without having it be CoD with lasers.

That and any chance to be a Seraphim would be fantastic if they can make the flight feel fun.

>> No.38846143
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38846143

At least she was killed by Talos.

>> No.38846308

>>38844954
>I spent two large pizzas, wings, and a couple of two liters on fucking nothing
I am sorry for you.

>> No.38846356

No Necrons.

No buy.

>> No.38846365

>>38846143
Wait, is that artwork implying that phoenix lords will be involved in the game?

>> No.38846368

>>38846365
Raid bosses most likely.

>> No.38846374

>Four races
>Two of which are space marines

HAHAHAHAHAHAHno.

>> No.38846384

>>38846365
she is the eldar faction leader

>> No.38846391

>>38824635
>I paid nothing for this product yet deserve equal power to those who actually pay the developers' bills
Entitledfag logic

>> No.38846393

>>38846365
I believe she'll be eldar leader or something....

On the official site the art is titled "Jain Zar - Eldar Faction Leader"

>> No.38846406

>>38846393
>>38846384
......

It's the seers job to lead. What does warrior lost to Khaine's path know about leadership?

>> No.38846421

>>38838678
you can get the same stat in game. weapon have a mod upgrade sistem there is not only 1 model of weapon.

>> No.38846440

>>38831911
Miguel is no more the EC Ceo.

>> No.38846450

>>38846440
Why did he leave?

>> No.38846465

>>38846450
He already got his fill of whale flesh and moved on to the next bloated lie.

>> No.38846472

>>38846465
Was there any official statements or anything?

>> No.38846477

>>38846450
company restructuring, now they have only one ceo for the entire company.

>> No.38846491

>>38846477
https://www. youtube. com/watch?v=_H3fWTm_MwE

>> No.38846506

>>38846491
God damn I hate his voice.
I can't stand listening to him.

>> No.38846567

>>38845622

You wouldn't be able to play a single Guardsman. You'd die too quickly to amount to anything. Only games where it makes sense to be IG is RTS.

>> No.38846576

>>38846143

Don't you mean at least Talos killed himself and achieved nothing?

>> No.38846583

>>38846567
No fuck you and your lack of lore. Guardsman are tough as fuck and highly trained. They're given good equipment but it's just not super high tech nigh indestructible exo skeletons. Guardsman are badass as fuck and fuck you.

>> No.38846587

>>38824190
Why do 40k games these days always seem to have the same 4 factions?

>> No.38846594

>>38846406

They literally created the entire path system and lead the craft worlds away from the Eye of Terror. They are HQs for a damn good reason if you actually know the first thing about Eldar.

>> No.38846595

>>38846406
>It's the seers job to lead.

Actually, it isn't. On most Craftworlds, Farseers are advisers; it's the Autarchs that actually lead.

The point still stands, though, it's stupid having a Pheonix Lord as the faction leader.

>> No.38846599

>>38846587
You mean the 4 main factions? No clue

>> No.38846606

>>38846583
>Guardsman are tough as fuck and highly trained.

They often aren't and even when they are they don't count for jack shit when every single other thing outclasses. Guardsman are canon fodder.

>> No.38846611

>>38846567
>Stormtrooper
>Sergeant
>Ogryn
>Ratling
>Commissar
>Sanctioned Psyker

>> No.38846615

>>38846599
It's just weird though, why no Necrons or Dark Eldar? it always seems to be the Dawn of War quartet and if it's a single player game you fight them in the same order and with the same storyline.

>> No.38846621

>>38846606
No they always are
Catachans
Cadians
Elysians
Guardsman are highly trained. Niggers who are new to 40k get confused as fuck between guardsmen who are essentially special forces equivalents but en-masse and PDF who are scrounged up mediocre armies.

>> No.38846652

>>38846595

>Asurmen has lead the craft worlds since before the Fall and has experience beyond any 40k character
>Founded the entirety of post-Fall Eldar culture
>Was the right hand man of their fucking GOD
>Hurr, he can't lead

You need to remember that this game is taking place on a scale that involves multiple craft worlds. Phoenix Lords are literally the only people that CAN lead multiple craft worlds at once and represent the entire race. Look at what happens when Autarchs and Farseers request help from other craft worlds. Iyanden told Eldrad to go fuck himself when he tried to warn them about imminent doom. Do you think anyone is going to tell Maugan Ra or Fuegan to sit the fuck down?

And really? PLs not leading? How many god damn times have they lead craft worlds?

>> No.38846670

>>38846621

I see you've never read any novels involving IG. New recruits are shown as scrubs loads of fucking time. Just because planetary recruiting take the best of the PDF doesn't mean that the entire PDF weren't back water peasants with just enough brains to know which way to point the gun. Catachans and Cadians are a minority.

>> No.38846680

>>38846670
>novels
Yeah you can gtfo. Fucking novels. Are you going to tell me that I can now destroy eldar war machines by putting rocks in exhausts? Fuck off scrub.

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>>38846611

>> No.38846709

>>38846680

>Waaaaaaaah, n-never happened

Whether you like it or not, BL is as canon as everything else published under the GW brand. Grow a pair.

>> No.38846735

>>38846670
I see you're being incredibly dense. There are hardier units in the Imperial Guard than your bog-standard guardsmen (>>38846611), and there's nothing bad about being in one of those famous regiments. You know, the groups that pretty much define the Imperial Guard lorewise?

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>>38846709
>BL Library is canon
My fucking face right now. What is this your first day here or something?

>> No.38846764

>>38846747
Actually it is canon. Everything is canon. That's how GW works.

>> No.38846766

>>38846709
In all fairness. Black Library books are written by good writers with a very basic knowledge of 40k if that.

They are great stories. Sometimes...

I wouldn't rely on them for lore or anything substantial regarding the universe at all. They're stories. Nothing more.

>> No.38846768

>>38846615
>Dark Eldar
Not enough interest to warrant making them an option on release, or potentially ever.

>Necrons
Would evoke so much butthurt from the neckbeards in the community.
Option 1: They are implemented with gameplay balance in mind. Necron players bitch and moan about them being nowhere near their canon power level.
Option 2: They are implemented with keeping true to the canon in their capabilities. Everyone else bitches and moans about Necrons being overpowered.

>> No.38846780

>>38846764
No.

>> No.38846795

>>38846780
Why would guys writing for GW, BL and FW lie to us?

>> No.38846805

>>38846694
That's a matter of taste. Some people like giant green football hooligans, some people like power-armored nazi catholics, some people like the Imperial Guard.

>> No.38846817

>>38846795
They're not lying. They're dramatic stories. But they're not canon. At all. Infact the only real canonical books are probably the codices. Even forgeworld isn't canon until it's put in a GW codex. It's just approved.

>> No.38846823 [DELETED] 

>>38846735

There is literally nothing the IG offer in terms of gameplay. That list is exactly why they'd be shit. Who in their life has ever wanted to be a fucking ratling or a sergeant? Why would you ever want an FSP where you are just a storm trooper when you could have a marine fps with a jump pack strapped to you and also be able to punch clean through an Ork's face. What could a shit tier IG psyched do that wouldn't be a million times more interesting as a Farseer of Tzeentch Sorcerer? Who the fuck would ever be a Ratling over a Pathfinder?

What makes the IG interesting is their theme of quantity has a quality all of its own and lend themselves well to stuff like RTS. However, when you bring it down to a singular scale there is nothing they offer that couldn't better be represented by damn near any other faction.

>> No.38846828

>>38824190

Thanks marketer, your game's a shit.

>> No.38846834

>>38846747

>Dat projecting

GW have explicitly declared BL canon. For all your posturing you sure sound like you just got off the boat from /v/.

>> No.38846847

>>38846834
Post proof.

>> No.38846880

>>38846834
You sound upset. And your spacing makes me think you're just off the boat from reddit. So...

>> No.38846885

There is literally nothing the IG offer in terms of gameplay if you centre it around a single soldier. That list is exactly why they'd be shit. Who in their life has ever wanted to be a ratling or a sergeant over any other equivalent? Why would you ever want an FSP where you are just a storm trooper when you could have a marine fps with a jump pack strapped to you and also be able to punch clean through an Ork's face. What could a shit tier IG psyker do that wouldn't be a million times more interesting as a Farseer of Tzeentch Sorcerer? Who the fuck would ever be a Ratling over a Pathfinder?

What makes the IG interesting is how quantity has a quality all of its own. They lend themselves well to stuff like RTS. However, when you bring it down to a singular scale there is nothing they offer that couldn't better be represented by damn near any other faction.

>> No.38846900

>>38825344
>>38825379
These two. It wzs genuinely one of my most waited for game, and slowly, when seeing...well, when seeing nothing really, I lost hope. It's gonna be a monumental flop. If it goes out. Wouldn't surprise me if they decided to outright cancel it because they didn't even manage to hold litterally half of their promises.

>> No.38846902

>>38846885

>Why would you ever want an FSP where you are just a storm trooper when you could have a marine fps with a jump pack strapped to you and also be able to punch clean through an Ork's face.

I think Seraphim would be more fun than Assault Marines but that's a matter of taste. Seraphim in most of their depictions have been a lot more graceful and more capable of hovering, not just jumping. They'd allow for a game where precise maneuvering and evasion was more of the gamplay as well as a much more skirmish-based combat style.

But then, there is also something to be said for just dropping into the enemy like a comet.

>> No.38846966

>>38846817
nope, BL is canon.

>> No.38846977

>>38846966
Still waiting here >>38846847

>> No.38847002

>>38846977
proof that it's not canon?
because BL and forge world are part of the same company and they don't make difference in their product. They sell all as the same stuff.

>> No.38847010

>>38847002
>this nigga
Get back to reddit.

>> No.38847014

>>38846977
>Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. if it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40k universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it.

>Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths.

>Marc Gascoigne
Publisher, The Black Library and Black Flame


how's that?

>> No.38847022

>>38847014
>Black Library publisher
No.

>> No.38847023

>>38846817

Boy are you in for a shock when you find out who FW and BL are owned by.

>> No.38847026

>>38847022
lol

>> No.38847030

>>38847014
>Could have possibly happened
>May have happened
>Not 100% accurate
>Rumour without any truth behind it
So it's not canon.

>> No.38847031

>>38847010

Great counter argument friend.

>> No.38847040

>>38847030
>anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths

faggot

>> No.38847048

>>38833500
Was going to see what you were talking about and then:
>Warhammer quest

Hell naw.

>> No.38847051

>>38847030

It's as canon as any codex, which is 'Maybe'.

>> No.38847052

>>38847014
Are you serious?

So you're using stories that the guy admits may not be at all accurate or may not even have happened as a crux for your argument on lore?

>> No.38847055

>>38847030
it's the same for codex.

>> No.38847061

>>38847052
I'm using it to say it's as much canon as Codeci are.

It's a pick and mix buffet.

>> No.38847069

>>38846768
I guess this is a perspective difference. Their focus is on giving everyone the ability to play their favourite race, mine would be on giving people access to interesting new things they may not have seen before.

To be fair they probably have the approach that makes more money.

>> No.38847078

>>38847030

Fuck me you are slow. The entire point is that the canon is malleable and open to interpretation. When you have a franchise with over 25 years of lore being written by hundreds of different authors you have to give some concession to inevitable contradictions. The official stance of "everything is canon" allows people to ignore shit they don't like while keeping what they like, but there appears to be a lot of new friends in todays thread that have yet to encounter a flexible canon.

>> No.38847084

>>38847055
No it's not. Codices are accurate representations of lore and have always been.

Black Library books are dramatic recretations of possible things that could or could not have happened as I posted above.

You can't use BL books which are essentially action films made of real events as canon and lore binding. It's like saying Rambo really happened because there was once a guy who didn't know the war was over and got PTSD.

You're arguing that BL make Guardsman completely inept and illtrained. Which the codices prove and show is not the case. Whilst posting a letter showing that the guy running the publishing house for BL has said it's all basically crap that may not even have happened.

You realise that right?

>> No.38847089

>>38847069
Yes, new and (maybe) interesting things are by definition not tried and true cash cows.

>> No.38847097

>>38847084
>No it's not. Codices are accurate representations of lore and have always been.
boopidiboopy
>>38847014

>> No.38847105

>>38847061
But it's not as much canon. Codices are accurate representations of the events and lore.

The BL books are not.

The guy publishing them even says so. I'm not sure why you're having trouble with that.

>> No.38847108

>>38847084
>>38847097
or to make it clearer for your brain: >>38847040

>> No.38847117

>mfw Tyranid player

I'll never need a girlfriend so long as GW sodomizing me on the regular.

>> No.38847126

>>38847105
so where does it say that Codice are accurate representations of the events and lore?

just need a single source and I'm satisfied

>> No.38847134

>>38847097
That's nice but BL didn't publish the codices when that letter was written.

>>38847108
Incorrect. 40k approved does not mean canon and your letter shows it's not canon.

>> No.38847139

>>38847084
The GW IP manager said "All of it is real and none of it is real".

BL novels are as canon as any codex.

>> No.38847143

>>38847084

>Whilst posting a letter showing that the guy running the publishing house for BL has said it's all basically crap that may not even have happened.

And also saying that the codexes are equally questionable.

It's why every single faction is made out to be the Best Thing Evar in their own book and it's not uncommon for other factions to do incredibly stupid things along the way.

>>38847105

>Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths.

>> No.38847144

>>38847134
on the authority of you, the great anon?

I take everything back!

>> No.38847147

>People posting that letter from some nobody at BL saying that even he says his stuff isn't canon
>B-BUT ITS CANON GUISE XD
Holy shit the fucking reddit and warseer niggers are out in force today.
Let me spell it out for you. It's not canon. It never was. And GW will never make BL books canon because they are shit. Deal with it.

>> No.38847168

>>38847147

>People posting that letter from some nobody at BL saying that even he says his stuff isn't canon

What the letter says, word for word:
>Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths.

What do you have to oppose the word of a GW employee? Any quotes of your own?

>> No.38847170

>>38847108
>anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex
You stupid or something?

>>38847022
You do realize that BL is a division of GW, so his official statements are as official if somebody working directly for GW said it.

>> No.38847171

>>38847147
>people post letter from publisher by black library, supporting the equal validity of Codice and BL books
>somehow less credible than 'GW said so guis, I promise!'

>> No.38847172

>>38847143
So you think BL books are more accurate than codices? Really?

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>>38847147
Nobody? Dude was head publisher of BL and an employee of GW.

What he says has more cred than anything you could say. Also It was present in the FAQ of BL forums.

>> No.38847183

>>38847170
>You stupid or something?
nope, you just think I'm making a different point than I am.

>> No.38847191

>>38847170
>You do realize that BL is a division of GW
So's fantasy you dumb nigger but it doesn't mean fantasy is official in 40k verse you retard.

>> No.38847195

>>38847172
>So you think BL books are more accurate than codices? Really?
totally what he said. I mean look at his post: He said it so much. Said it all over his post.

>> No.38847199

>>38847084
>No it's not. Codices are accurate representations of lore and have always been.
>Being this new

I'm beginning to believe you either haven't even read a single codex before or are trolling. If I tried to read a codex while taking a shot every time a sentence begins with "Legends say..." or "Whispers tell that..." I'd need a stomach pump before I'm even half way through.

>> No.38847203

>>38847172

No? I think they are equally valid. Exactly as the letter says.

How did you get 'More accurate' from a quote that says they are equally valid?

Do you have any source to counter-argue the point with a quote from a GW employee?

>> No.38847217

>>38847195
The original argument was that imperial guard are not well trained.

You claim BL books prove that even though codices show otherwise.

So even if you take BL books as official lore which isn't what that letter shows at all, you still believe BL books are more lore worth canon than codices to show Imperial guard are ill trained?

That's the point here...>>38846670

>> No.38847225

>>38847191
fantasy is not a division of GW.
warhammer fantasy is an ip.

>> No.38847234

>>38847203
They're not equally accurate. At all. Why would you think they were equally accurate? You believe dramatisations written by non lore writers for publisher and according to the publisher are more accurate than GW's lore writers?

>> No.38847237
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38847237

>>38847147

>Head IP publisher
>Nobody

The more you caps lock about Reddit boogeyman the more desperate you seem. You've been BTFO. Accept it.

>> No.38847239

>>38847217
>The original argument was that imperial guard are not well trained.

I don't care about that. I'm saying BL is as canon as Codice, whihch the letter does show.

not everybody on the internet is the same guy

>> No.38847246

>>38847217
Both are equally valid sources and only the individual reader gets to decide which one of them is true.

>> No.38847253

>>38847191

Except he's specifically talking about 40K retard-kun.

>> No.38847255

>>38847234
>Why would you think they were equally accurate?

>>38847178

>> No.38847258

>>38847225
>fantasy is not a division of GW
It has GW stamped on it though doesn't it faggot?
>>38847246
>BUT MOMMY SAYS I GET TO DECIDE IF ITS TRUE MOMMY SAYS WAAAAAH WAAAH
Oh lord.

>> No.38847263

>>38847234

>Why would you think they were equally accurate?

Possibly because the head of BL said:

>Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths.

Do you have a counter point or argument from a position of authority on the Warhammer 40k IP?

>> No.38847264

>>38847191
You are one retarded motherfucker.
Fantasy is one of their products, BL is a division of GW.
You can't equate these two things.

>>38847217
Both in novels and codices the IG are shown with differing power level.
And if you are to dense let me spell it out for you.
Everything with a GW seal is canon. Period. It is your decision to create your own headcanon by deciding which things are actual truths and what are only myths or half truths.

>> No.38847269

>>38847258
you have idea what a division is?
you have idea what an Intellectual property is?

>> No.38847276

>>38847263
Official does not mean equal in lore substance.

>> No.38847277

>>38847258
>It has GW stamped on it though doesn't it faggot?
and it's totally accurate and official. It never claims to play in the world of 40k, so your point is much like a turd - shit

>> No.38847286

>>38847258

>It has GW stamped on it though doesn't it faggot?

Issue: The quote says-

>Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex

Do fantasy products have the 40k label on them?

>>38847276

Please, provide a quote to support such or anything to back up your opinion beyond...your opinion.

>> No.38847290

>>38847269
>ANYTHING STAMPED BY GW IS OFFICIAL AND CANONICAL
>HUUURRR BUT THATS NOT A DIVISION SO ITS NOT ITS NOT I PROMISE!
Keep it coming. This is hilarious.

>> No.38847294

>>38846621
>Naming 3 regiments
if we take it far, we can say that every well known regiment with models is good well trained etc. But there litteraly billions of them.
The joke of guarsdmen drowning the ennemy in their blood didn't come from nowhere anon. They are cannon fodder. Hell their rifle is more precious than them, just like russians in WW2.

>> No.38847296

>>38847276
That judgement falls on the opinion of the reader.

And opinions are subjective.

>> No.38847297

>>38847276
if it's used in the context of the question of lore substance, of course it does.

>> No.38847299

>>38847217
>The original argument was that imperial guard are not well trained.

Actually it was that the IG are sometimes not well trained and have been depicted as such several times within official GW publications.

>> No.38847309

>>38847290
>anything stamped by GW is official and canonical

literally nobody said that.

>> No.38847310

>>38847290

Issue: The quote says-

>Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex

Do fantasy products have the 40k label on them?

>> No.38847311

>>38847217
>though codices show otherwise.
Did you know that one of the codices says that the average life expectancy of IG is 15 hours?
Not the novel 15 Hours which deals with only one battle zone, but a codex explicitly states that's the expectancy of all IG.

>> No.38847319

>>38847286
>>38847296
>>38847297
No it really doesn't. Official just means it's endorsed or created by the owner of the IP.

That doesn't mean it's as factual or equal in lore substance. If you want to make that claim you have to show me where GW have said:

"Yes this is as accurate as our codices"

Which they haven't. All I see is:

"This is as official as our codices."

>> No.38847328

>>38847290
>This is hilarious.

Actually it's kinda sad. Your desperate posturing is kinda pitiable. I think it's time to walk away from the thread.

>> No.38847329

>>38846652
I think his point was that Asurmen was better qualified than The banshee PL anon. Just sayin'.

>> No.38847339

>>38847311
>15 hours means they're not highly trained and well equipped far in excess of PDF forces.

Not even in this discussion but you need to learn your lore.

>> No.38847343

>>38847319
alright, sure thing, on the question of canonity he just randomly went on a tangent about BL being an official GW product.

If people used language like you are trying to, we couldn't communicate.

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>>38847319
>>38847290
Well I'm out, you two are either complete mouthbreathing autistic neckbeards or trolls and ain't worth anymore attention.

>> No.38847370

>>38847319

Official has many meanings, including:

>sanctioned by, recognized by, or derived from authority

So by saying it's Authorized, they are saying that it is sanctioned by, recognized by and derived from it's authority over the IP.

Can you provide a single quote to oppose this?

>> No.38847371

>>38847319
>guy bites into tomato, makes a disgusted face
>"I hate vegetables!"
>You: Oh boy, tomatoes aren't vegetables, they are fruit! He must be talking about something unrelated to what he was just eating.

>> No.38847404

>>38847339
>Guardsman are tough as fuck and highly trained. They're given good equipment but it's just not super high tech nigh indestructible exo skeletons. Guardsman are badass as fuck and fuck you.
That was the original argument.

You can't be badass, tough, etc. if the average life expectancy of EVERY fucking soldier, which number untold billions or whatever else bullshit number GW provided, is 15 hours.

>> No.38847406

>>38845335
They don't delete quest and lewd threads.

>> No.38847421

>>38847406
must be a brit. They constantly complain about stuff that doesn't actually happen as if they experienced it first hand.

>> No.38847436

>>38847404
>catachans
>elysians
>cadians
Please go on. You have thus far proven to be insightful and knowledgable about this subject.

>> No.38847453

>>38847436

>Guy is talking about averages
>'But what about these exceptions!'

I don't think you understand what averages are anon.

>> No.38847457

>>38847436
and he, you thick skulled guy, is saying that Codice can be wrong too. Such as in this instance. So saying they are absolutely valid, while BL is absolutely invalid is stupid for more than the reasons laid out in this thread

>> No.38847460

>>38847319
Here is a quote from the IP Manager of GW when asked about the canon by ADB.

“It’s all real, and none of it’s real.”

It's on his blog and the Loose canon interview.

>> No.38847474

>>38847453
>3 of the biggest guard regiments around
>not average
Okay.

>> No.38847491

>>38847474
>3 of the regiments with ABOVE AVERAGE NUMBERS
>not average

yes. They are above average in many ways, one of them you already told us.

>> No.38847501

>>38847474

>3 of the best regiments represent all of them

Fuck me, you actually don't understand what averages are.

>> No.38847506

>>38847436
This only further proves my point.
All of the famous regiments have a few individuals that have been serving their entire life. Yet the average expectancy for ALL of regiments is still 15 hours.
So codices do not make the IG tougher than the novels, they make them all complete fucking shit.

>> No.38847514

>>38847491
>>38847501
You're really grasping guys. Come on. Post some exceptions to the rule. Show me some official guard regiments in codexes taht are shown as being poorly trained.

>> No.38847526

>>38847514
can you help me out, how was the one called where they didn't use armour because they thought the Emperor protected them? I forget their name, the few survivors got medals though.

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>>38824190
>BL is canon!
>No its not
>ur a cuntface
>fuc ur mum!
mfw

As for including IG in the game I don't think you could play as a single guardsman. So instead why don't you have the IG faction play like the Brothers In Arms games where you're controlling multiple squads of AI soldiers from a first person point of view. A lone guardsman would be no match against players of other factions but 30 or 40 flashlights working together could take down a lone Space Marine or an Eldar aspect warrior. Plus not only can you upgrade your character but you can also pimp out the soldiers who follow you.

>> No.38847537

>>38847528
I blame Ward.

>> No.38847541

>>38847526
Wow that's great. So theres 1. I've posted three. So... If the average are that the guardsman are not trained. You should be able to show atleast 4 that are shown as being poorly trained right?

>> No.38847553

>>38847514
Stop moving the goalpost faggot.
But I'll still answer you. Penal legions aren't trained for shit.

>> No.38847570

>>38847541
well I don't know, I'm not even really in this argument, just had an example handy.

But I'm pretty sure there are plenty in the BL books. Which are as official as the Codice, as we have established. and you were asking for official regiments.

>> No.38847575

>>38847553
But you said the avaerage regiments aren't trained. I can name three which are. 4 if you count the Death Corps. So... if the average are not trained, you must be able to name atleast 4 or 5 which aren't. Right? I mean you set the goalpost. You said that it was on average that guardsmen regiments weren't well trained right?

>> No.38847586

>>38847570
You mean Black Library books which are canon but probably aren't true or accurate or representative. Okay then. So please type them up for me.

>> No.38847616

>>38847404
That 15 hours stat is literally one case in a book by the same name where the entire guard contingient on the planet was dealing with a colossal ork infestation and VERY poor supplies, particularly medicine, with a high risk to reinforce. Normal guard postings aren't always so risky, especially ones where the command knows what the fuck they are doing instead of ignoring the problem and the troops on the ground like in 15 hours.

>> No.38847622

>>38847586
>You mean Black Library books which are canon but probably aren't true or accurate or representative.

The same with anything with an 40K logo.

Anyways, I am not him but I put forth some examples. The regiments fighting in the novel "Fire Caste".

>> No.38847623

>>38847586

> but probably aren't true or accurate or representative

They are as much so as the codexes.

>> No.38847670

>>38847514

It's not our fault you don't know what a fucking average is. Specific examples don't matter when the official stance is that the average IG isn't worth jack shit. What difference does it make if I tell you about the bit in Eisenhorn where they run in to new recruits who barely know what they are doing. Also, have you ever read the Uplifting Primer? Pretty much everything they're told about the enemies they're facing is straight up lies.

>> No.38847674

>This assblasted ig-babby

No matter how "tough" and "trained" your precious guard are, they still get fucking shat on by even an average eldar civilian, who only goes to war on his spare time.

>> No.38847679

>>38847575
Actually I don't hate IG and think they are badass, I'm just proving a point that if you are going by codices 100% they are complete shit

Look here nigger.
The average life expectancy of a trooper from everyfucking regiment across the whole Imperium is 15 hours.
There are untold billions of IG spread across the Imperium.
Going by the codices, the better regiments like Cadians, Vostroyans, Krieg, Elysians, who are great and all, don't represent the majority of all the IG.
So these better regiments have several outstanding individuals who have served their entire life. They also have a shitload of veterans of many warzones.
YET THE FUCKING AVERAGE EXPECTANCY IS STILL 15 HOURS.
This means that there are countless regiments that are so shit that they are killed to the last man in a number of seconds.

>>38847586
Exactly like the codices, you are the one who decides your headcanon, but not the official canon.

>>38847616
No it's not. It's a quote from some codex. I didn't save it because it's fucking retarded, as are all GW provided numbers, but it has been posted here a shitload of times.

>> No.38847682

>>38847575
>But you said the avaerage regiments aren't trained.

No one fucking said this. They said that the average IG doesn't last 15 hours and that sometimes they aren't trained. You keep losing different arguments and then try to start a completely new one.

>> No.38847688

>>38847670
>>38847623
>>38847622
Well that's just great. So far I count 2 or 3. Compared to 5 famous regiments who are. If your basis is that the average guardsman isn't trained then there must be more untrained regiments than trained regiments. But you can't actually quote them to me. So to me it seems that you're making it up to support your argument. Sorry. Just seems like you're acting like kids.

>> No.38847716

>>38847616
Might I add that in the book, the 15 hours thing was also met with disbelief and horror, suggesting this is by far not the norm, which would usually be at the most cultists and minor ork situations. Guardsmen are usually expected to live long enough to at least make their equipment worth producing and their (extensive) training worth undertaking, so an average of 15 hours would be hugely impractical from a logistics standpoint.

>> No.38847717

>>38847688

5 examples don't counter act blanket statements about averages dip shit. All we needed to win the argument of "sometimes IG aren't trained" was one example and thankfully there are metric fuck tonnes of penal legions.

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>>38847688
I would also add all the regiments fighting in the Jericho Reach.

Those guys died by the billions.

>> No.38847740

>>38847717
>sometimes
No. No no. Now come on anon. That's not what you said. And if being untrained is an exception to the rule like you are now admitting... well doesn't that mean you're conceding the argument to me? Well thanks! That's might kind of you.

>> No.38847757

>>38847734
Just because guardsmen die in the billions doesn't mean they're not well trained.

>> No.38847770

>>38847528
Implementation issues, doing that would be harder that the single characters controlled for all other factions and even harder to not make the extras handle like ass. Also performance issues. Even if you go with 3-4 man fireteams that's 2-3 more units to render for every IG player in a game that's already supposed to have massive amounts of shit on screen with everyone only controlling one character/vehicle.

>> No.38847781

>>38847740
>>38847757

Refer to my breakdown in >>38847679 and then please explain how most of the IG isn't complete shit without training.

>> No.38847792 [DELETED] 

>>38847740
>No. No no. Now come on anon. That's not what you said.

That is LITERALLY what I said. This is my post: >>38846606

I claimed IG are often not well not "tough as fuck and highly trained". Captain Wrong responded "No they always are" and was swiftly BTFO.

Are you getting confused between the multiple anon that are calling you a retard?

>> No.38847806

>>38847740
>No. No no. Now come on anon. That's not what you said.

That is LITERALLY what I said. This is my post: >>38846606 (You)

I claimed IG are often not "tough as fuck and highly trained". Captain Wrong responded "No they always are" and was swiftly BTFO.

Are you getting confused between the multiple anon that are calling you a retard?

>> No.38847815

>>38847781
>dying in the billions means they're not well trained
Now now now anon. Come on. Let's not get mad okay? Dying in the billions doesn't mean they're not well trained. But if you've played 40k before and I doubt it... Well... Let's explain something to you. Everything guardsman go up against is bigger, stronger, more technologically advanced or daemonic. Sometimes all of the above. The only way they can succeed is not just through throwing bodies at it but by being highly trained and motivated with good equipment. Just because they are not space marines doesn't negate any of that. Now don't make assumptions anon. Because assuming makes an ass out of you.

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38847821

>Muh precious IG never suck

Even the best IG are fucking useless sometimes.

>> No.38847830

>>38847806
>often aren't.
But they often are. Can you show me where you got often arn't from? Oh wait that's right you couldn't!

>> No.38847869

>>38847679
Ok, just read into this statistic,
The 15 hours is specified as "in combat", not including downtime etc. "In combat" for IG I would have to imagine refers to enemies like orks, nids etc, who hold a tangible threat, rather than cultists and heretics, as their equipment is sufficient to stop human-level threats such as minor uprisings. In that respect, 15 hours of straight up combat isn't too bad when fighting other enemies of the imperium because honestly, no amount of training will prevent you from being ripped in half by a green fungus hulk, alien, or a chaos infused super soldier in armor measured in inches instead of centimeters.

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>>38847815
Nigger you best be fucking trolling, because you can't be that fucking stupid.
If the average life expectancy is 15 hours for every regiment, yet the better ones have soldiers serving for months, years or even decades, that means that there are billions of regiments that literally get wiped out to the last man in a couple of seconds.

>>38847869
Care to post the quote?

And again, I'm a big fan of IG and think the flashlight/tshirt joke is retarded and love all the novels.
But if we take codices as 100% canon without exception, the IG are complete shit.

>> No.38847951

>>38847903
Anon. But no where does that imply they are not well trained. You're just making that up aren't you. I mean if they weren't trained it's very likely that their life expectancy would be far less than 15 hours.

>> No.38847955

>>38847903
On a mobile I'm afraid, plus I'm taking a lot of other guard lore that has them putting down minor uprisings more often than fighting crusade style battles. Feel free to question what I'm saying though, but 15 hours all up was stated to be unusual in the book, so I can only imagine the stat applies to heavy combat

>> No.38847978

>>38847830

>Hundreds of penal legions
>Uplifting Primer
>Only War
>Eisenhorn trilogy
>Fire Caste
>Storm troopers that never received training in how to not blow yourself up with your equipment
>Regiment that didn't need armour cuz lol faith

How many arbitrary examples do you require to constitute "often" you goal post shifting faggot?

>> No.38848006

>>38847978
Anon but none of those except the penal legions (Although you're not posting sources for the others so I must take you're lying about them like you have been for the last hour or so) note that the guardsmen are untrained. But all the other sources like cadians, catachans, elysians etc show they are.

>> No.38848979

>>38847951
>tough as fuck
>highly trained
>good equipment
>badass
If there are millions of Regiments where soldiers are dying by the billions every second, the IG as a whole is not those things.

>>38847955
I'm not talking about the book, I'm talking about the retarded codex entry.
And IIRC in the book, 15 hours was meant for 15 hours of frontline duty, not necessary engagement.

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>>38847770
Could that be solved by hooking more processors to the servers or something?

>> No.38849399

>>38849133
It's not really a server side problem, more client side optimization. You have to balance between the game being able to run in as many machines as possible (because in a game like this, players are content) while still looking good (because many players are graphics sluts.)

And that's only the graphics side of the whole matter. There are other issues both technical and balance. So while I'd love to see something along the lines as one player controlled IG fireteams, I can understand if the developer doesn't deem the potential payoff in additional players gained to be worth the resources it would take to make it happen.

>> No.38849691 [SPOILER] 
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38849691

can he save this game?

>> No.38849869

>>38849691
it's fun that a great GM actually don't write story/dialogue/quest but it's a level designer.

>> No.38850064

>>38846805
>some people like the Imperial Guard.

And those people can go play Call of Duty.

>> No.38850142

>>38849399
(sigh) Alright then I guess if I want a fun 40k MMO I'll have to do it myself.

Anyone know how to write code?

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>>38849691

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