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I have played tabletop games for over seventeen years.

I have never seen anyone play an overweight woman.

Even the overweight women didn't play overweight women.

>> No.38621074

>>38621033
No one wants to be an overweight women.

>> No.38621086

>>38621033
That's because fatties are gross.

>> No.38621090

>>38621074
Tell that to Tumblr.

>> No.38621096

>>38621033
>fantasy
>being an overweight woman

Pick one.

>> No.38621105

>>38621096
Bigass Orge woman who talks like the blackest martha stuart ever.

>> No.38621111

>>38621090
No one -honestly- wants to be an over weight woman. They're just telling themselves/each other that they do to show how not-miserable-all-the-time they are.

>> No.38621128

>>38621033

Anyone who thinks there's nothing wrong with them when their bicep is wider than their head (being composed of fat, not muscle) is fucking retarded.

>> No.38621142

/fit/, in MY /tg/?

Proceed

>> No.38621146

>>38621090
trust me, they don't either. The only reason they act like they're proud of being meat planets is because their pride in that is the female equivalent of an angsty teen's pride at being 4edgy8me and grimdark as all derp.

>> No.38621164

>>38621111
Quads confirms no one wants to be a fat woman.

>> No.38621165

>>38621033
>This thread

>> No.38621170

>>38621128
No, even if it's muscle it's still wrong. It's just not as wrong(arm, sure, just you bicep. nope)

>> No.38621261

>>38621170
>>38621128
You two are not more concerned with the horrendously forced smile and the dying sparkle in her eyes?

I have seen the same thing only one other place, when parents bring their extremely young children to disney land. A desperation to look like you are having fun and validating the lie and resources that convinced you to get there.

>> No.38621297

Because an overweight woman would just be monster food in pretty much any setting.

>> No.38621307

>>38621033

I'm not sure overweight women go adventuring very often.

Wait, no, some big, beefy, buxon woman like a female Heavy from TF2 or Ellie from BL2 (maybe a little less huge) would make a pretty badass adventurer.

Okay, anon, next game I get a chance to participate in, I know what I'm playing, and you'll get to see someone play an overweight woman. Would make an awesome artificer character.

>> No.38621396

Im playing an undercover slasher in a hunter the vigil game based off of Annie Wilkes. So far the only one who suspects anything is off is the Abby guy who thinks im just behind on my dues.

>> No.38621439

>>38621090
they don't to be an overweight women. They want you to want them to be an overweight women.

>> No.38621498

>>38621033
>not playing an enormous female sumo wrestler monk
>not playing a fat wizard, to explain low str and high con
>not playing fat enchantress, who uses mind-magic to compensate for his/her appearance
>not playing a fat transmuter, who uses transmutation to make herself appear thin
>not playing a fat warlock, who gorged himself almost to bursting for the dark gods' amusement

Shameful display.

>> No.38621548

>>38621498
>even pretending to be a fattie

>> No.38621638

>>38621498
But I'm not interested in being any of those characters.

I think the only fat character I ever enjoyed, even just in a storytime, was that cannibal vampire who later got murdered by the rest of his party. And that's not something I'd want to play as as much as include as an NPC.

>> No.38621686

>>38621498
>fat is high con

where did this idea come from? why does hp = meatflesh?
Overweight people get out of breath almost immediately from strenuous activity. The epitome of high constitution is, like, a cyclist build.

>> No.38621983

>>38621033
>I have never seen anyone play an overweight woman.
You just need to structure your adventures around eating more often to coax them out:

Young teenagers/goblins/teenage goblins have been acting maliciously around the cake store
Bandits have held up the local supermarket and taken hostages in the potato chip isle, who can stop them?
A mystery surrounds the harpooning of larger ladies on the local beach, the only clue is a Japanese fishing vessel nearby conducting science research...

>> No.38622024

>>38621983
Sounds like fishin' for a magical realm

>> No.38622039

>>38621033
I played one once.

Her weight didn't come up much expect for a few "you're a civillian, you're not supposed to fight on the battle field' moments.

She was a mad scientist. Made non-gundams. The other PCs liked her because of this and because they were mostly military murder hobos.

She was a fine enough pilot because "BITCH I MADE THIS!"

Her inventions killed tens of thousands of people.

It was a fun game.

>> No.38622074

I don't know how overweight a character in my group was. The chick played her as a big Orc chick who's gender couldn't be determined at first glance. Her entire character was built around drink potions to become huge in battle.

Her name was Ba-Donk.

>> No.38622078

American horror story season 3 had actually a fat woman with an interesting concept.

>> No.38622085

>>38621498
Now I want to play a fat and jolly necromancer who just wants to enjoy the shit out of life and eat all the unhealthy stuff he can before starting the conversion to lichdom.

>> No.38622105

>>38621686
Yeah, you are righ. HOWEVER, fat can translate into strength, or at least force. Look at sumo wrestlers.

I played a Hawaiian female sumo wrestler in a Street Fighter the Storyteller campaign game. She actually was the glass cannon of the group, though the cannon part was certainly applicable.

>> No.38622154

>>38622105
*right.

>> No.38622193

I would play an overweight man because I always wanted to play as a fat Jewish merchant. Never a woman though. The only time I can imagine playing one would be as a granny.

>> No.38622227

>>38622193
>not playing as a nagging Jewish mother (well team mom) wizard.

>> No.38622415

>>38621033
The dice gods rolled me a middle aged overweight halfling for warhammer fantasy once. That's about the only time I played one.

(The game only lasted 2 sessions, and the character didn't look like she would last long either with the way Warhammer games go)

>> No.38622434

>>38621033
I, too, have never seen anyone play an overweight woman.

By the same token, however, I have never seen anyone play an overweight man, either.

>> No.38622465

>>38621033
>>Patriarchy! Weight-based exclusion! Women have value only if they are almi and beautifull!

>> No.38622486

>>38621033
Weight pretty much doesn't matter in tabletop games anyways.

>> No.38622506

>>38621638
I gotcha covered

>> No.38622528

>>38622415
Warhammer was fun for that random stuff, I ended up with an anorexic dwarf once.
Think I spent most of my time avoiding fellow PC's trying to feed me castor oil for de-worming

>> No.38622542

>>38621033

>tfw fat
>tfw play fat characters because otherwise I feel silly

I could try playing a woman I guess.

>> No.38622627

I once had a guy who wanted to hang out but not really play, so he played a 300-pound black woman named Laqueefa who was the team's coordinator. I'd hand him a brief on that session's mission, and he'd shout it at the party in between mouthfuls of Flaming Hot Cheetos. He got a kick out of being overly antagonistic and obtuse and as a result I got a kick out of feeding all the mission-critical information through him, so more than once the party was almost wiped by enemy reinforcements they didn't know about because "they didn't axe."

>> No.38622671

>>38621261
No offense, but all united-statians seems like that to me.
I just stopped bringing it up.

>> No.38622704

dang that lady has a fat arm

>> No.38622782

>>38622506
Thanks anon. That's always a good story.

>> No.38622835

>>38621033
it would be cool for vampire

>> No.38622838

>>38622227
>oh, youre a wizard?
>why aren't ya a cleric, like Deran here
>he is such a good cleric
>but I mean, if that's what you want, be a wizard
>go ahead, it's your choice

>> No.38622880

>>38622704
yo that's pretty cool

>> No.38622913

>>38622880
some guy drew it

there was an australian guy who writefagged fatass paladin girls at 3 in the am

>> No.38622922

>>38622227
My next PC will now be South Park's Kyle's mom as a DnD 5e College of Lore Bard. I'll change the Vicious Mockery cantrip to Relentless Browbeating. Monsters will come to fear hearing, "Wha-wha-WHAT???"

>> No.38622943

>>38621498
>Tfw you wanna play fatties cause you're fat IRL but it'll be entering everyone into your magical realm.

>> No.38622946

>>38621111
You could more generally say that nobody wants to be fat. I used to be really obese and it you feel like utter crap. The point is that if you live in denial, you will only realise after losing weight what you did to your body. It feels amazing not being exhausted after a flight of stairs, or being able to jog a mile with relative ease, or just wandering for hours on end through hills and forests. But every fatty, no matter how confident they seam, have these moments where they realise what they are doing to themselves, and feel utterly terrible about it. I'm glad I could change for the better, I just wished others would as well and stopped being so blind towards their self-destructive behaviour.

>> No.38622967

>>38622943
Besides the fat IRL part, this is why I can't do it.

>> No.38623165

>>38622967
The warlock is the most interesting one, but it just screams magical realm.

>> No.38623295

>>38623165
Don't focus on the details of eating and growing larger or anything that seems magical realm-y. Focus on him doing what even he feels is horrifying and not in his control, and the sadness and despair that comes from that.

>> No.38623539

>>38621165

He's not wrong, though.

Even fat men can be entertaining to play. Jolly fat dudes are great.

Fat women are just failures of womanhood on every conceivable level. There is literally nothing about a fat woman that anyone would want.

>> No.38623613

Do pudgy gnome girls and Dwarf girls count I have played and included tonnes of those into my games.

The reason you probably don't see a lot of overweight folks in games is it doesn't effect much game play except that if gives the GM and other PCs another way to fuck with you.

>> No.38624458

I've seen three people playing overweight women, in one case it was even pointed out as a benefit of the character (secret agent who's supposed to bland in, looking homely is more beneficial than being an outstanding bombshell).

>> No.38624474

>>38621033
As a guy you couldn't make one because you'd be accused of magical realming.

>> No.38624571

>>38623539
Depends on the fat levels. Fat women can be seen as motherly and friendly in their own right.
When they get too fat, however, it just becomes a giant red flag that says "I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT DOWN THE FORK" and is a reflection of poor character.

>> No.38624588

>>38622105
Sumos are a bad example because their strength doesn't come from their fat, it comes from all the muscle underneath the fat. It is optimal though to carry some fat when going for strength, hence power lifters not being super ripped. That's probably what you're trying to say.

>> No.38624639

Not even an overweight, sassy black/ogre woman who don't need no man? I pity you, OP.

>> No.38624653

>>38622946
I actually felt pretty alright with being fat. It was a thing I would get around to fixing eventually, and wasn't so bad.

Then I fixed it and it wasn't so bad afterall. I kinda miss it nowadays, on the cold days.

>> No.38624689

>>38624653

I'm gonna take a wild stab anon and say you weren't FAT.

Because being fat and being FAT are two different things. Being fat just means you're kinda out of shape and probably got a beer belly going on. Being FAT means it's a hassle to get outta a chair and it physically hurts to walk around a block.

>> No.38624709

>>38624689
What you're describing is obesity. If you can't get your ass out of a chair, you're obese.

>> No.38624780

>>38621307
That was pretty much my last long-running campaign character. She was the female equivalent of bear-mode and fired an M60 like most people in the party did M16s. I mean I don't know if she counts as too overweight since she was strongfat but she definitely wasn't a female-bodybuilder, more like the female strongman contestants. It was a pretty lethal system and she could kill like 70% of the party with one suckerpunch to the head.

So yeah maybe she doesn't count...

>> No.38624852

>>38622434
Same here.

I tend to see people ranging from "scrawny Wizard who dumped Str and Con" to "big beefy warrior with massive Str and Con." Once in a while I'll get someone described as being vaguely in shape but not hugely.

Typically it's because my group and I have a tendency to run relatively combat-centric games with lots of physical activity (for the characters), so being overweight or otherwise out of shape isn't likely or good for the character.

>> No.38625041

>>38621033
hahahahahahahahaha
oh fuck that's a good starter OP.
you win a whole internet for that !

>> No.38625145

>>38621033
CoC for the win. Fat female academic with a Miss Marple Complex.

Played that Character for years. Strength 16 con 9. When she hit you you stayed hit. But don't hit her back! It was the twenties. Not the done thing. Fuck shantak

>> No.38626410

>>38625145
I pity the player who hasn't rolled a straight SIZ 18-roll in CoC.

>> No.38626515

>>38621033
>I have never seen anyone play an overweight woman.

Well, clearly your group is shit at optimizing characters.

Hamplanets have greater strength than more ideally sized women due to the musculature they build up lugging around all that blubber (no mobility scooters in fantasy!)
Not only do they have greater strength, their greater bulk provides a larger hp pool (more stuff between the important organs and the sharp dangerous things, can't argue with that).
On top of that you have niche advantages like being better able to withstand percussive shock that might stun a leaner woman even through armour, and in a pinch you can use them as improvised cover or simply block a tunnel by wedging them in there.

Regular women might be -4str, but fatties are hella op.
Just make sure you bring a really big horse, you don't want to have to make camp every 500 yards to let them catch their breath.

>> No.38626615

>>38621033
I played one. Middle-aged Cleric. She'd spent most of her life looking after an orphanage, which didn't receive any support when the undead came tramping through.

It was actually an accident--someone asked me how much she weighed, and I answered with her weight in armor with equipment and all. The guy said 'Wait, she's overweight?'

It was just easier not to correct him. I rolled with it. Then realized it kind of fit better.

>> No.38626618

>>38621033

Played a plump female Gnome cook fighter. Does that count?

>> No.38626623

>>38622105
>>38622105
They got fat to get extra mass and in they brawls this helps in the initial charge etc, but the sumo wrestlers have lots of muscle undernath the lard, they are like bear mode but with extra chub. Look at truly over weight people in the world (USA) and how they go around with some kind of mini bikes becaue they can't walk themselves, because fucked up joint or simply to lazy.

>> No.38626649

>>38622465
Stat happy RPG man, teeg.

>> No.38626652

>>38621983

>disobedient avocado

Fucking lost it

>> No.38626655

>>38621983
>I want to smear you in green paint and spank you like a disobedient avocado

>my sides

>> No.38626660

>>38624571
I think you mean plump, motherly figure.

>> No.38626675

>>38626623
>Empress Palpatine behind the Marital Whale

>> No.38626682

>>38626615
>She'd spent most of her life looking after an orphanage
sounds cute

>> No.38626686

This thread needs sum of dat decolonisation.

>> No.38626713

>>38621033
I mean I have a player who's dwarf girl is chunky, but she's also a dwarf so a bit of extra body fat is normal for her.

Never seen an obese character what wasn't an NPC or bloat/disease/etc-themed baddie.

>> No.38626722

Would you, /tg/?

>> No.38626731

>> No.38626734

>>38626722
No.
And I like fat chicks.
I don't even disagree with the message, I just don't find her particularly attractive.

>> No.38626742

>> No.38626778

I used to play in a group filled with mostly tumblrette style SJW types and... it's pretty true. They never played fat women or ugly men or anything that wasn't pretty/cool.

In fact, it's kind of interesting that they were always going on about accepting everyone of every walk of life and they'd play all sorts of LGBTABBQ characters and characters with random trendy crippling ailments yet no one ever play anyone ugly.

>> No.38626794

>>38621096
You've never seen someone play an overweight man?

>>38621033
It's obvious as shit, anon. The only guys who want to play girls want to play hot/loli girls. Guys who want to play the whole "unattractive/merchant/strongman" thing will play as a guy, so you only see overweight men. These guys are a minority.

There are in general (well, in my experience and people I've talked to's experience) less girls in ttrp than guys. So you're unlikely to find a girl who wants to play the above archetypes, more likely you'll find vanilla power fantasy.

>> No.38626807

>>38626778
>Be the only (I'm fairly sure) non-SJW in an SJW-heavy group
>My characters are usually ugly, inelegant, or unattractive
>Have backstories that are sad rather than MUH TRAJUDEE
>Everyone else playing sparkly animu motherfuckers with full-blown anime tragedy backstories

They asked me how I always managed to make my characters feel relatable. I never had the heart to tell them "By not doing what you do every time".

>> No.38626812

I played a fat-ish barmaid, that used mugs as a weapon for a one shot.

It was not all that exciting. I don't really role play gender, and weight that much, and instead focused on bar maid aspect of it.

Idk, I might play fat woman spellcaster someday, but right now, I am planning on ragman with a sombrero character.

>> No.38626825

>>38622913

Nice. Goddamnit, every Australian I meet, online or in person, jut seems really chill.

>> No.38626837

Are we talking "fat" as slightly overweight yet still quite cute, female version of bear mode or just morbidly obese? There is a fucking difference.

>> No.38626973

>>38626825
>He likes australians.
Worse Shit posters in all the chan.

>> No.38627186

>>38621033
Back in Uni there was one girl who was a massive that girl. She was awesome, but a bit crazy. Usually played stuff that was dragony in any system or incorporate some unexpected magical realm. She would instigate these shenanigans.

Dendrophiliac Ranger, nurse/theif what grows extra body parts, etc

She also happened to be an extremely attractive and fit blonde; who liked to believe herself a dragon. At parties, while inebriated she would hoard empty bottles and try to abscond with princesses (any other girl she knew) to get a reaction of rise out of them. Once a group of our Uni Scifi club all piled in a Jeep to go to a burger place at 1am, and she laid across the back seat. On the way back she started biting another passenger's leg because she thought it'd be funny.

In one friends "look how cool my fantasy Rome game is because I am an amazing world builder" game, she played a character named Thock, as I'm told. Thock was a Half Orc Barbarian, and by her player's decree, she was bringing sexy back. Described as muscular but thick at one point, she tanked and by action committed to "bring sexy back" across the campaign.

TLDR: Crazy skinny blonde hot girl played a sexualized thick half Orc who worked it.

>> No.38627290

On the matter of never seeing fat characters, my wife is short and quite chubby. She more often than not plays elves, either athletic lithe or willowy.

Actually most girls I know roll that way, save for the ones what play guys.

>> No.38627317

I play a fat sassy black woman in GTA online. I felt it was appropriate.

>> No.38627350

Every time I see a fat woman I just want to pour hot butter all over her body and face fuck her.

>> No.38627424

>>38627350

Something like this?

>> No.38627495

>>38621498
>mfw some skinny bitch tells me to leave her tacky shop

>> No.38627597

>>38623539
How about a fat mammy type character that's always chastising the party but still beats people with a rolling pin

>> No.38627647

>>38624571
Except poppy is strongfat.

Stop insulting my waifu.

>> No.38627648

>>38621261
>Not liking Disney World
>Not going in the off season so that your little boy/girl can practically have the park to themselves
>Not going simply to reignite your shared love of the Walt Disney dynasty with your wife/husband.

You need to wish upon stars more often my friend.

>> No.38627692

I played a fat chick once.

Sweety Svelte was her name and making shit explode was her game. Sure, she may have been tons of fun, but when it came to causing massive destruction through bomb-making be it magical or mundane, she was a pro.

She also had a crazy high Charisma score and everyone liked her. She was quick to 'roll to seduce' every other bad guy too and she was won more than her fair share of those contest of wills.

I pretty much modeled her after this broad and tried to channel Kathy Bates. It was one of the very few times I ever role played a woman and it was a blast.

>> No.38627723

>>38621033
I played a chubby old Mexican lady in a game set in the Supernatural-universe. 50 years of road-food and hard drinking had taken a toll.

Was basically the party lore-master, full of occult knowledge and old stories about dead Hunters. Was a real blast to play.

>> No.38627746

I played as a chubby girl in AdEva once
It did not have magical realm shit at all I swear

>> No.38627834

I don't play as overweight characters because I find it difficult to get into the mindset of a slovenly person. And it doesn't make sense for adventuring.

>> No.38627947

>>38621033
Well OP, I will now play an overweight woman.
She will be a female kingpin or something of the sorts.

>> No.38627966

>>38621307
>Wait, no, some big, beefy, buxon woman like a female Heavy from TF2 or Ellie from BL2 (maybe a little less huge) would make a pretty badass adventurer.
TOGETHER WE ARE STRONG

>> No.38627999

>>38627947
Be a chubby rogue who's better at traps/tinkering than sneaking about.

>> No.38628001

>>38627966
>>38627692
Doing it wrong.

>> No.38628006

>>38627947
Just an honest businesswoman I imagine. Well dressed with fineries and tasteful jewelry? In public the picture of jolly and kind warmth.

In private, the type to kill an underling who has disappointed her by crushing their skull with her bare hands. Fingers in illicit drug and alave trade. Proxies who collect local protection and a crew of colorful and eccentric enforcers.

She has goals, and she is stronger of body and will than her size would let on.

>> No.38628028

>>38621090
No one wants to play DnD with tumblr.

>> No.38628030

>>38621033

Well, my next character is going to be a dark-skinned BBW Paladin going around declaring "y'all heathens need Pelor"

>> No.38628037

>>38621983
>disobedient avocado
And there go my sides.

>> No.38628059

>>38628030
I won't just play with that, I want to read a fucking book about that. I imagine her having the deepest, thickest, Southern slave accent possible, and a voice so deep it makes her rolls of fat rumble when she talks out loud. With those enormous dreadlocks, too.

Fucking terrifying awesome.

>> No.38628075

>>38627999
No, that's not what I said.
I am talking about making fucking prime-be-gone rosie odonel staring as the kingpin.
I don't want no cute chubby girls, BUT, if I can't find anything to actually fit the grillpin into then I guess I'll go with your idea.

>>38628006
Yep, that's the kingpin for you. Probably could make it work in shadowrun or some modern gurps campaign.

>> No.38628088

>>38626742
>my kids may become fat
Maybe you should feed them something besides twinkies and fucking mcdonalds.

And I love how all of these are women because men realize how fucking disgusting they look when they're fat and don't try to force everyone else to love them for it.

>> No.38628232

It's possible to do a cool overweight woman.

How about a rotund mercenary. She's not one of those women who whines ostentatiously about needing no man, she actually doesn't, because she'd pass for a bear-mode motherfucker from a distance. She can fight bears in unarmed combat and her breast milk has magical curative properties. When she needs to make a quick getaway, she retracts her limbs and rolls away at several miles per hour grinning like a smug cunt. When she rescued the Princess, she converted her to lesbianism thus spoiling her for marriage and incurring the fury of the King who had hired her for the rescue mission. Her layers of blubber are so thick, she can swim nude in ice-cold water alongside the whales and other sea creatures whom she numbers among her allies. When the King attempted to have her assassinated, she merely dived into the ice-cold sea and floated contentedly away from his soldiers. A whale then swam up to her and balanced her on its nose, carrying her into the distance as she laughed mockingly at the King.

>> No.38628747

I've done it, playing a pudgy boggan chick in Changeling. Fun times were had.

>> No.38629156

>>38621033
Here is where these truths are not needed. It is /tumblr/ that must learn that no-one accepts fatties, not even fatties.

Although fat is largely a disorder stemming from poor gut microbes rather than over-eating or over-exercise, it's still gross and not outside the power of the fat one to deal with

>> No.38629236

>>38622105
>>38624588
>>38626623
I'd like to see a sumo wrestler who lost the chub and just showed off the muscle underneath.

>> No.38629404

>>38624709
Being obese is being fat as well, but being fat does not necessarily mean you're obese.

>> No.38629462

>>38628001
Good post. This is the only acceptable fat female character.

>> No.38629512

>>38629236
Well, there was this guy. He was a sumo who retired and turned pro runner. Lost a lot of the muscle in order to run better though.

>> No.38629643

>>38629512
he doesn't look so hot in that last one.

>> No.38629666

>>38629512
>2011
>his fucking chest
JESUS CHRIST

>> No.38629687

My last character was an overweight woman.

Thought, the last one I saw before that was literally more than a decade ago, so OP has a point.

>> No.38629715

>>38629643
>>38629666
Living at 270Lbs for prolonged periods isn't good for your health or looks.

>> No.38629736

>>38629512
That is interesting. Reminds you how short asian people's limbs are, incidentally.

>> No.38629740

>>38626731
I don't think this guy's knee agrees with that.

>> No.38629866

>>38629512
Sumo are used to training hard.

But god damn.

>> No.38629987

>>38621033

I did. Not even a grill. ;)

It wasn't the most important characteristic she had, but she WAS overweight among other things. And in her 30's, another sin for most women.

But hey what's the surprise. Despite all the SJW rhetoric about body-shaming/objectifying/imperialist capitalism/rape culture nonsense, women prefer to be physically attractive. Neil Gaiman once wrote that all boys wish they were superheroes, but all girls wish they were beautiful princesses. Look at any men's magazine cover, what do you see? Young hot girls. Now look at a woman's magazine, and sure enough: ALSO young hot girls.

People want to be attractive. Even in older editions of D&D, where Cha is usually the dump stat, you have male players going out of their way to be ugly-but-tough or attractive-but-socially-awkward. People go to the trouble to explain why their low CHA really doesn't mean not very cool.

Why? Because regardless of the source, men and women crave status. How they derive that status varies by sex but it shouldn't be surprising that this most primordial component of our nature manifests in our RPG chars.

>> No.38630069

>>38629987
This is of course part of the reason why CHA is a stupids stat. Tangential to the thread but it's not an inherent and objective quality like STR or DEX, it's a series of skills with highly situational and subjective applications. What is charismatic to one group is dumb and ugly to another.

>> No.38630182

>>38621983
>disobedient avocado
Every goddamn time.

>> No.38630610

>>38627186
Nothing you described sounded awesome. Irritating and enough to give me reason to not float in the same social circles, yes. But not awesome.

>> No.38630954

>>38629987
Social capital is a hell of a drug.

>captch is groki
I grok it quite well, captcha.

>> No.38631708

>>38621498
> Not playing an absurdly ugly and overweight Nosferatu.

>> No.38631869

>>38631708
>Not playing a Cleric of a dark god or demon of gluttony
>Not playing a gladiator who isn't quite bearmode, but winter bearmode to make sure shallow cuts don't get near anything vital.
>Not playing a perenially high witch who got chunky thanks to the munchies

>> No.38631948

Can't we just agree that *all* fat people are fucking disgusting and should be ashamed of themselves?

It takes a serious mental cripple to get fat and KEEP EATING.

I fucking hate fat people.

>> No.38631967

>>38631869
> Not playing an elven decker with addiction: Soy-Cheetos.
> Not playing a troll street sam with insanely high body, cyberarms (whit smuggling compartments full of chocolate) and augments that makes her eat EVEN MORE. Plus distinctive style (Obese).
> Not playing a rigger whose' cart thingie is full of surprises. Forbidden surprises and caramel.

>> No.38632023

>>38631948

>> No.38632143

>>38628001
Most of my characters have actually been Pam all along. Hard-drinking, tough-as-nails, casual sex, punching people, crazy back tattoos, addicted to coke... the complete package.

>> No.38632231

>>38621033
I've played an overweight woman exactly once, and even then not by much. Granted, never really played an overweight man, either. I guess in my imagination fat people are thin on the ground.

>> No.38632318

>>38621033
Not even fat chicks like fat chicks.

>> No.38632380

>>38626686
>decolonization

I've started to find this really hilarious after realizing that Colonialism was the best thing to ever happen to most of the places that got colonized.

>> No.38632434

>>38632023

Odd how you never see this being the thing people are pushing for.

Fat acceptance is analogous to "fat woman acceptance."

I mean seriously, is questioning someone about their weight "fat shaming" now? Is fat a fundamental part of their being and that by bringing it up, they're "shaming" the person? Doctors don't bring up weight because they want to "shame" you, they do it because that excess (and the lifestyle that causes it) is seriously deadly and socially abhorrent, in the same way society might shun a leper (and would these acceptance people call such a thing "disease shaming?")

It's like, I'm not even angry anymore about the entire thing, I'm just disgusted; there are people out there that go through hell trying to lose weight, and when they post before/after pictures on Facebook as hallmarks to their success you'll inevitably get people who are like "omg stop SHAMING ME."

Also, has anyone pointed out the age-old excuse of "I only eat vegetables" or "I barely eat anything and I still gain weight" used by most fat people? How does that even work, does physics work differently around fat people, like a sort of sweaty grease-stained black hole? I personally disagree and think they're outright lying about either how much they eat or what they eat, considering a week or three ago scientists just revealed that "people commonly lie about weight/weight-loss practices" which means, roughly, that the woman who eats a leaf of lettuce a day and gains 20 pounds is *probably* lying.

Then again, who ever thought these types of people were honest? Many of these types of folk are compulsive liars with terrible personalities fueled by low self-esteem and an orbital ring of enablers. There's a reason people stopped using the "she's got a great personality" excuse.

>> No.38632478

>>38632380

Leave it to 50+ years of commercialization, mass media and endless excess to destroy any ability to perceive history or really, your own culture/ethnic group beyond base stereotypes.

>> No.38633014

>>38627647
Can real life women be strong fat? Hard mode: strong fat and attractive.

>> No.38633030

>>38632380
Rather depends on the colony.

India got colleges and governors that wanted to modernize them.

Dutch Congo was pretty much a giant plantation that set up a culture based around extractions that prevents it from modernizing to this day.

>> No.38633059

>>38632380
Shhhh. They'll never see it that way anon.
DAS WASCIST.
I'm sure new south africa will do very well ;^)

>> No.38633088

>>38633059
>YFW Nigeria has overtaken South Africa as Sub Saharan Africa's economic leader.

You mad African'ters?

>> No.38633283

>>38626682
What was her deal anyway? She's like a fucking cartoon character in a fairly realistic world.

>> No.38633416

That's because overweight people are disgusting, their personalities are usually unappealing too.

>> No.38633443

>>38633416
Usually?

Try always.

>> No.38633471

>>38633443
What about Rich Evans?

>> No.38633642

I've played what people would define as "overweight characters", but they've all been non-humans that lend themselves towards being rotund.
i.e. dwarves, bear people, ogres, etc.

>> No.38633644

>>38633030
The Belgian Congo (which, incidentally, is not the Congo Free State of Heart of Darkness fame) had damn near a first-world standard of life when it went to pot, and had for a number of years been far and away the best place in Africa.

>Muh democracy
No, the blacks didn't get to vote. Nether did the whites. The entire place was run, top-to-bottom, by the Belgian government, whose policy of "paternalism" basically boiled down to "nobody gets to oppose us but if the people are that dissatisfied then we've already failed". They instituted a system of government that was more-or-less just a huge tribal hierarchy with said government playing the part of the tribal elder and as a result the natives took to it like water.


>Muh hand chopping
On top of the phenomenon being widely exaggerated, the natives were doing that and much worse well before the Belgians ever got there and the Belgians put a stop to it (along with things like slavery, female genital mutilation, human sacrifice, torturing people to death for "witchcraft" and cannibalism) after the Congo stopped being Leopold II's incredibly mismanaged personal piggy bank.

>> No.38633781

>>38621033
>>38626794
>>38629987
Honestly, it's not so much that there aren't people willing to play overweight women rather than there isn't much incentive to do so...

Role-playing is Fantasy Fulfillment after all, and despite your personal opinion on the condition, being a portly lady isn't much of a Fantasy.

>> No.38634047

>>38633644
>Learn about the difference between Congo Free State and Belgian Congo.

I learned something new today! Thanks anon!

>> No.38634258

>>38622946
Sounds like you made it, brah

>> No.38634268

>>38634047
Most people are utterly unaware of the distinction and think that the Congo just went from Conrad to National Geographic sob stories.

>> No.38634348

>>38633014
>Can real life women be strong fat?
Olympic weightlifters are pretty strongfat, men and women alike.
>Hard mode: strong fat and attractive.
Uh

>> No.38634387

>>38632143
And from Wisconsin?

>> No.38634468

>>38621033
You could play a game based around an office, like http://synergonrpg.com/. Lots of fat women there

>> No.38634478

>>38632434

Fatty here. most fat people are terrible. I'm fat as fuck because I made shit life choices, and am now working hard to shed dem pounds and it grinds my gears so badly when people are like "you don't have to lose weight Anon, it's okay to be fat". It's not fucking okay to be fat. I don't care that I look like shit, I care that I'm at risk for all sorts of medical issues, and that I move as fast as a sloth.

99% of fatties who claim they eat healthy and still get fat are as full of shit as they are McDonalds, if you eat right and go for a walk every once in a while you'll lose weight. Don't believe their lies.

sorry for the rant, shit just twists my mantit.

>> No.38634548

>>38628088
When a man sees a someone on a mountaintop, he is intimidated by the distance, but inspired to climb it so he can stand atop the peak himself.
When a woman sees someone on a mountaintop, she is intimidated by the distance, and declares 1) where she's standing to be the new mountaintop; 2) the person standing at the old mountaintop to not be real and to never have existed.

>> No.38635019

Volstagg would eat (or sit upon) those that make mockery of him.

>> No.38635124

>>38627648
>>Not going simply to reignite your shared love of the Walt Disney dynasty with your wife/husband.
Sounds like a cult to me, because it is

>> No.38635166

>>38621033
I want to play a badass fat chick who beats the shit out of mooks with her bare hands, takes a beating and keeps going, and fucks like a tiger.

Sadly, I can't anymore, because Archer got to it first and I'm just going to be accused of playing a bad Pam knockoff.

>> No.38635241

>>38635166
Just write it in your own, hopefully nuanced way. Originality is for speshul snowflakes.

>> No.38635309

>>38621033
I have played tabletop games for over two years.

I have never seen anyone play a depressed fast food worker still living with their parents.

Even the depressed fast food workers who are still living with their parents don't play depressed fast food workers who still live with their parents.

>> No.38635348

>>38635309
I've totally seen people play depressed fast food workers still living with their parents.

>> No.38635375

>>38635309
>2015
>Never played Unknown Armies.

>> No.38635385

>>38621033
I have. Mutants and Masterminds. Superstrong metahuman by the name of Marge the Barge. She was 400 pounds of throw down. Her powers let her move like a ballerina and hit like a wrecking ball; she put the "mass" in "mass destruction".

Lotta thugs and supervillains cracked fat jokes at her expense, and as a general rule came to regret it; when one person's boxing and the other's playing The Dozens, the second person only looks cool for so long before their shit gets pushed in.

Only one who ever got away with it for a while was a supervillainess by the name of Gravure. Built like a little china doll, but she had a strength rating that put Marge to shame. Beat her ass outright, while singing the crescendo of Mastodon's "Blood and Thunder".

After that fight, the Barge started a regiment of powerlifting, the logistics of which were staggering given her baseline strength, to close the gap, packing on another 200lbs in the process. Also took up Pankration and BJJ to learn to leverage her muscle more efficiently. And then, at long last, after in-game months of training...the campaign fell apart and the rematch never happened, because I'm not allowed to have nice things. So that's what happened there.

>> No.38635417

>>38626615

Best surrogate mom is overweight with a baby but would still be grande[/sp]

>> No.38635519

>>38626722
No. She's fugly. Being fat doesn't worse or better it.

>> No.38635550

>>38628001
Pam's hot now. She's been on an all-cocaine diet for about a season and a half.

>> No.38635575

>>38634478
>99% of fatties who claim they eat healthy and still get fat are as full of shit as they are McDonalds, if you eat right and go for a walk every once in a while you'll lose weight. Don't believe their lies.

I get the impression that they all have an extremely warped concept of 'serving size' = 'the entire thing'. Standard southern US eatery that plunks down 6000 calories in front of them? That's one normal meal! Entire family size bag of doritos? That's just a snack. Snacks don't count, right? The bag says 100 calories.

Also condiments don't count, so that salad is loaded with bacon (bacon is a condiment, isn't it?) and half a bottle of dressing. Drinks don't count either, so there's a soda with every meal and the occasional 'sweet tea' or beer.

>> No.38635620

>>38635550
Except she's back to being Pam-sized with ham thighs now.

>> No.38635629

>>38635550
I can't imagine what those back tattoos must look like now.

>> No.38635650

>>38635550
that was last season you piece of trash, she's back to normal

>> No.38635686

>>38635550
No, you're a half season behind.

>>38635620
>>38635629
>>38635650
I thought she was a little less fat than before, but might just be imagining it.

>> No.38635705

>>38628059

Every time you smite evil, it's
>PRAISE THE LAWD
Every time you Lay on Hands it's
>THE POWAH OF PELOR!
Every time you detect evil it's
>BOY GIT YO SKINNY ASS HERE FOR A WHUPPIN

>> No.38635710

>>38635575

That's very true. Portion sizes is a big thing for sure. Soda was the biggest thing for me, I used to go through two 12 packs a week, once I stopped I felt so much better. Now I drink a coke every once in a while when out with friends, and just drink water at home.

>> No.38635712

>>38633443
I've met many nice fat people, they are usually older women.

>> No.38635741

>>38635705
More like
Every time you Lay on Hands it's
>AH'LL PRAY FA YEW QURL

>> No.38635744

>>38621170
It's really not wrong.

My bicep is about as big around as my head, all muscle, but I don't even work out that much and when I do it's not spot training like curls but rather combined movements.

Some muscle just builds easier in different people.

>> No.38635923

>>38635710
This. It's actually pretty difficult to go full whale mode without soda and fast food. While I was at college I cut soda out of my diet because my campus dining area stocked pepsi instead of coke (stupid reason, I kn0w) and I was too lazy to stock up at the local grocery store. With my only sugary drinks being coffee and black tea, I managed to maintain a healthy weight despite leading a mostly-sedentary lifestyle and gorging myself at every meal. A friend of mine went through that same scenario, but he kept a reserve of mountain dew with him, fully stocked at all times. He outweighs me by 50 pounds despite us having similar frames and heights.

Soda's fucking awful for you, hands down. Cut soda out before anything else if you want to start dieting.

>> No.38636069

>>38635923
The truth. Soda is one of the shittiest things you can give your body.

>> No.38636121

>>38636069

>tfw you drink mountain dew after not having had soda in almost a year

>> No.38636172

>>38635550
Pam looks disgusting in that picture. She looks better fat and she went back to being fat after that one season.

>> No.38636409

>>38621686
extra mass helps with dealing with toxins.
Extra bodyfat is good for endurance. A little extra cushioning can reduced the effect of blows on vital organs.

Lots of obese people would have low con. Not because being obese makes them low con but because they're both caused by the same thing, a lazy inactive lifestyle.
Active people with a lot of weight like a lot of athletes or strongmen would be high con in part because of their extra bodyfat.

>> No.38636479

>>38635744
Your biceps are not as big as your head.

If they were, your triceps would have to be similar or you wouldn't be unable to straighten your arm, and then your upper arm would be twice as big as your head. Your clothing would look ridiculous. You wouldn't be able to move your arms enough to put a shirt on so you'd have to wear a tabard and you'd need help to put it on. And your center of mass would be so high up that if someone accidentally bumped past you in the street you'd topple over.

Your biceps are not as big as your head.

>> No.38636746

>>38621033
>played games for seventeen years.
>I have never seen point buy character gen

Granted the last RPG I saw "Fat" in character gen for negative points was from 1999. I doubt you could get away with it now. 17 years sounds about right.

>Fat quadriplegic geriatric, the most powerful wizard in the world right out of char gen
Point buy systems! No sense of right or balance.

>> No.38636806

>>38636746
I know there's obesity penalties/flaw in the current Hackmaster

>> No.38636825

>>38636409
What would a High CON/DEX character look like I wonder

>> No.38636874

>>38632434
>I personally disagree and think they're outright lying about either how much they eat or what they eat, considering a week or three ago scientists just revealed that "people commonly lie about weight/weight-loss practices" which means, roughly, that the woman who eats a leaf of lettuce a day and gains 20 pounds is *probably* lying.
In fact they're probably not just lying, but deluding themselves. If that recent study you saw is the same one I read, it's not really even "fat people lie" so much as "the main reason fat people fail to lose weight is that they're severely deluded about their caloric intake". Like, they'll forget they ate two packs of Snickers bars throughout the day, even to themselves, because "one Snickers doesn't count".

Also, if you're a lardbeast you're long divorced from any concpetion of what's a normal portion of food to begin with, especially in America.

>> No.38636883

>>38636825
Probably curvaceous and jiggly without much actual flab...
Think of someone made out of rubber basically.

>> No.38636913

>>38636883
>Those proportions

He asked for high DEX. I'd be surprised if she could even move in an unrestricted fashion like that.

>> No.38637013

>>38636913
>I'd be surprised if she could even move in an unrestricted fashion like that.
Why?
Low center of Gravity allows her to maintain excellent balance, and we see nothing that indicates her proportions limit her flexibility.
Yes, her hips are double wide, but I don't see how that would hinder her...

>> No.38637065

Overweight women can't do anything. Especially in a setting that's not supposed to be fetish-oriented. Nobody wants to play a character that can't do anything.

>> No.38637093

>>38632380
It's hard to look at history and decide if any event was "good" or "bad"

There were certainly good and bad things that happened as a consequence of colonization. I'm not smart enough to know what kind of effect that will ultimately have on anything.

>> No.38637094

>>38637065
That's a really hefty claim

>> No.38637134

>>38621033
How do you get this fat? I was up to 350lbs for a short but hellish time, and I still looked nothing like this.

I mean, I had a discernible neck, at least.

>> No.38637170

>>38637094
Kek

>> No.38637267

>>38637134

I dunno bro, at my fattest I was 480 (shame me, I deserve it) and I still didn't look like that. I was just sort of, pear shaped.

>> No.38637304

>>38637013
>better balance
>from grossly disproportionate legs and an unbelievable amount of bulk

Gotcha, so by that logic, the hefiter the landwhale, the higher the DEX bonus?

>> No.38637395

>>38637267
Fat is dispersed on the body in different ways on different people.
Women are more liable to get doughy pancake arms than men, on that note.

>> No.38637456

>>38636825
Probably still thick. But less bulging muscles.
Though really you can be quit thickly built and still fairly dexterous.

>> No.38637510

>>38637304
Who says it's all dead bulk?
Those Thunder-thighs might actually contain powerful gluteal, tensor fasciae latae, and adductor muscles, perfect for leaping and prancing.

>> No.38637639

>>38637094
He talks big, but he probably bit off more than he could chew

>> No.38637749

>>38637510
shit like this is why no one likes you.

If you think that being a fatass doesn't hinder mobility because there are capable muscles underneath you are poorly mistaken.

>> No.38637813

How the fuck are you going to manage to stay overweight when you're marching between harsh climbs and deep dives, dodging mortal blows multiple times in ten seconds, surviving off of trail rations, elf bread, and whatever shitty rodents andd rock moss the ranger was able to scrounge together? Even a master wizard of still spells who spends all day levitating and eating summoned muffins is going to have a hard time getting passed skinnyfat.

>> No.38637918

>>38629736
That is just a weird thing to be so racist about. Limb length? Seriously?

>> No.38637957

>>38621033
Fucking really? You've never seen anyone play an overweight adventurer, a profession which demands at least a certain degree of physical fitness even if you're a caster?

>> No.38637993

>>38637918
>biology is racist

You people are delusional.

>> No.38638022

>>38633088
Citation needed. Nigeria, of all fucking places?

>> No.38638046

>>38637918
>all stereotypes are discrimination based on race
I want tumblr to leave and stay leaf

>> No.38638062

>>38638022
>Nigeria, of all fucking places?
India isn't a pleasant place to live, but expected to be come one of the worlds economic leaders. It's all about population, mate. Nigeria is expected to have over one billion inhabitants by the end of the century. Meanwhile, South Africa's white middle class (who are responsible for the economic success it once had) are tripping over eachother in their attempts to leave the country forever.

>> No.38638124

>>38638062
You've just got to wonder how long you can work off of a model of population = power before things come tumbling down, though.

>> No.38638167

>>38638124
>You've just got to wonder how long you can work off of a model of population = power before things come tumbling down, though.
If you want to see shit tumbling down, look at the West. The population is rapidly shrinking, and most population "growth" comes from immigration. A country like Germany needs 200,000 immigrants per year just to keep the population stable.

Do you think that's going to be fun when my generation retires? Retires in a country where whites are on their way to becoming the minority no less?

And saying anything about this makes you a racist, so everyone simply pretends the problem isn't there.

>> No.38638169

>>38638046
"Asian men have short limbs" is a statement that contains a vast generalization based upon race. That is the very definition of racist. Take your bogeyman shadowgames and fuck off back to your Stormfront board, /pol/fag.

>>38637993
Race is not a biological feature, but a social one. Ask any geneticist. The Human Genome Project showed that there is no line between what we can conceive of as race, and that the traits we think come from a race not only show up everywhere but don't even consistently crop up in the right areas for them to be racial. When dark-as-the-african-midnight skin can crop up in Austalian, Carribean, Polynesian, American, and South European natives then you're full of it, m8.

>> No.38638215

I remember an old as fuck system, where being short gave you a bonus on not getting hit with ranged weapons and being fat gave you bonus toughness/con/whatever, they gave minus points to agility but being a woman gave you a bonus on that. i remember seing at least two different Obese female dwarf PC's in that system by powergamers.

>> No.38638240

>>38638169
>That is the very definition of racist
that is the very definition of stereotype.
Racism requires prejudice.
Please educate yourself

Also
>When dark-as-the-african-midnight skin can crop up in Austalian, Carribean, Polynesian, American, and South European natives then you're full of it, m8.
>I don't understand the concept of migration

>> No.38638251

>>38638169
>That is the very definition of racist.
>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

>a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
>a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
>hatred or intolerance of another race or other races

Tumblr, plz, PLZ go.

>> No.38638257

>>38638169
>outliers are the proof all the humans are exactly the same

Yeah no point in talking to you.

>> No.38638263

>>38638167
That's because it is racist. If you want to have this debate, this isn't the board for it. Considering that /pol/ is a delusional machine that produces nothing but angst and fallacies, I don't know what board is the proper one anymore, but it certainly isn't this one. Before everything derails irrecoverably though, I would like to point out that the mechanism by which cultures develop complexity and retain relevance, as well as the fuel by which capital is farmed and formed in a functional capitalist society, is immigration. If you want to be so oddly nationalist in our globalized society, you should really try identifying less with your arbitrary skin color and identify more with your country of origin. You'll fell a whole lot less stressed and you still get to keep all of your tribal bullshit groupthink.

That got a little away from me, but I don't know how to phrase it different, as I am a socialist.

>> No.38638290

>>38638257
That's some amazing scientific illiteracy.

>>38638240
That does not prove race as a biological feature. It rather supports the opposite.

>>38638251
lel it fits that definition. /pol/, plz, PLZ go.

>> No.38638306

>>38638022
Nigeria is both geopolitically and economically forgotten, but it's a bigger deal than most would recognize.

>>38638124
Population = power is less accurate than "population can lead to power". Higher population means more likelihood of exceptional people filtering to the positions that matter, higher economic output by default, and so on. However, higher population also requires more, larger, and less efficient bureaucratic structures and regulations in order to maintain anything resembling order. High population means a better chance of high power output, low population means better conditions for people but a generally weaker and less important country overall.

>> No.38638332

>>38638263
>identifying with your race is bad
>identifying with your country of origin is preferable
>implying there's no correlation between race and country of origin
>implying you fucking tosspots would be okay with us being nationalists instead

From another socialist: Fuck you. Ridiculous and uncontrollable immigrant populations are some of the biggest killers of socialist policies, because people with no shared cultural ground have no problem gaming a country's system for their own good.

>> No.38638337

>>38638290
>biological features in populations where peoples who had said features migrated to does not support a genetic predisposition for those features. Rather, it supports that genetics has no affect on the prevalence of these features

I've been thoroughly baited

>> No.38638359

>>38638290
>lel it fits that definition

Okay, now it's a sure thing.

>> No.38638373

>>38638263
>That's because it is racist.
Excuse me? How is it racist to claim that it's a problem when Europe becomes less white? Why does multiculturalism only apply to predominantly white countries? Why is it racist to imply that white countries have problems with their birth rates? I want a clear, logical explanation that does not rely on buzz words.

>I would like to point out that the mechanism by which cultures develop complexity and retain relevance, as well as the fuel by which capital is farmed and formed in a functional capitalist society, is immigration.
Oh please, Europe has NEVER seen immigration on this scale prior to the 1960s, especially not from outside of Europe. The only places with immigration of a comparable scale were the Americas, and that didn't end well for the native population.

>you should really try identifying less with your arbitrary skin color
>arbitrary skin color
Are you now denying the reality of race as anything more than just a skin color? Because that means you're both blind and anti-scientific.

But I digress: I want my explanation of why saying that Western countries have birth rate problems is racist, without the use of buzzwords if possible.

>> No.38638403

>>38638332
have you tried not being a douche to people based on criteria largely irrelevant to normal human interaction?
I think that'd help

>> No.38638524

>>38638403
>Race, shared culture and heritage are entirely unimportant

You know what? I've just realized that YOU're the racist here. The Huttus and Tutsis, indistinguishable to the Western eye, have been killing eachother for decades if not centuries precisely because of racial and cultural differences. Why's that? Is it because niggers are stupid and they need the superior white man to enlighten them? Or is it because race and culture are actually fucking important? Because it's starting to sound like you believe the former, while I believe the latter.

>> No.38638539

>>38638403
>criteria largely irrelevant to normal human interactions
>Work in hospitality industry
>Blacks are notoriously uncooperative, and piss-poor tippers
>Southeast Asians are autistically fussy
>East Asians as often as not are Chinese businessmen who refuse to tip
>Latinos aren't so bad, unless they're under 30, but aren't exactly going to outgrow their assholishness since they know they can get away with it
>"b-but anon you shouldn't be a big meanie-pants!"
>mfw

>> No.38638586

>>38638524
I believe that it's a natural function of humanity to group themselves and each other into categories that don't objectively matter, and that's not a condition that's dependent on race at all.

>>38638539
Funny, I work for tips as well and I notice that shitty people are a feature of every race I meet.

>> No.38638598

>>38621033
Many rp to escape reality, op.

>> No.38638650

>>38638586
>I believe that it's a natural function of humanity to group themselves and each other into categories that don't objectively matter
A natural function, eh? So what do you want to do, entirely change human nature but only in the Western world and only in as far as it applies to white people? Or would you rather accept human nature for what it is?

Speaking of, if human nature dictates it as important then where the fuck do you get the idea that it objectively doesn't matter. Of coure it fucking matters if we have an entirely natural tendency to categorize eachother into groups based on race and culture.

Not only do you seek to do the impossible (but only in as far as it applies to white Europeans), but you also utterly ignore logic while doing this.

>> No.38638672

>>38638586
Yeah, but denying that the proportions of shittiness in customers tend towards the dark end of things is utterly without merit. White customers, I've observed, are the least likely to stiff their servers, least likely to come crying about shit they should've known ("I took some leftovers home with me, ate them two weeks later, and got sick! I want a refund!") and don't even bother pulling the fucking race card to get out of getting called on their shit.

>> No.38638705

>>38638539
I also work in hospitality and have had some different experiences
>east asians will tip, but only if in a group and only if the first person in the group tips
>Indians are autistically fussy but will tip well if you learn to read their autistic fussiness and can predict what they will ask for
>black people are nice around here, arguably the most polite. They don't tip especially well
>young parents are satan incarnate

>> No.38638767

>>38626794
>hot/loli girls
But those are the same thing.

>> No.38638802

>>38637639
Lay off the guy. He probably has a lot on his plate.

>> No.38638824

>>38638650
>only in as far as it applies to white Europeans
Nice, you're completely making shit up now. Racism is still racism regardless of who's doing it, I'm not from Tumblr.

Human nature isn't actually good or correct and it often goes contrary to the interests of humanity as a whole. A natural tendency to assign groups to people because of arbitrary criteria doesn't actually mean that those arbitrary criteria stop being arbitrary.

>>38638672
Eh, honestly my worst tips come from white businessmen and poor people (Who in turn are like 50/50 black people and white people, my town is asian-heavy but I don't work in an asian-heavy area) in basically that order, and the most demanding shithead customers are mostly white people. The most ornery are hillbillly crackheads of all races, bonus points for dogs in the front yard.

>> No.38638842

>>38638705
What region are you in? Chicagofag >>38638539
here.

>> No.38638895

>>38638842
near-seattlefag

>> No.38638939

>>38638824
>Racism is still racism regardless of who's doing it
And yet, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about multiculturalism and pointing out that mass immigration is a bad thing. Only when you're white does that automatically brand you a racist.

>Human nature isn't actually good or correct and it often goes contrary to the interests of humanity as a whole.
Tell me how opposing mass immigration goes against the interests of the whole (ie. the country and its inhabitants). Go ahead. Because somehow, Europe managed to prosper by going "against the interests of the whole" and suffered when it stopped doing that. Last time I checked, 17 Frenchmen had to pay with their lives for refusing to go against the greater good.

>> No.38638979

>>38621146
>meat planets

>> No.38639014

>>38633014
>Can real life women be strong fat?

Yes. Here in VT there are lots of stupidly strong farm girls that are built like a square block of granite.

>Hard mode: strong fat and attractive.

Sometimes, in their own way.

>> No.38639073

>>38621983
>disobedient avocado

Goddammit anon

>> No.38639078

>>38638939
Well, mass immigration in the United States has been a staple of its growth and the economic prosperity of its large cities for a very long time now. China's entire history has been about assimilating cultures into a greater regional culture and then deciding to go to war with different regions of China based off of completely different criteria.

I also question the idea that Europe has lost its prosperity since immigration, it's still extremely wealthy despite a series of economic downturns that can't really be blamed on immigration. But that, I recognize, isn't the strongest or most objective opinion.

>> No.38639089

>>38632434
>and would these acceptance people call such a thing "disease shaming?"
Yes.

>> No.38639141

>>38639078
The main difference is that Europe (or rather, the countries that get mass immigration) has an extensive and generous social security system, which actually prohibits people from needing to integrate into their new country's society. The great thing about America is that because you get jack shit from the state, you NEED to get a job and learn the language and be a part of your community in some way; moving to Norway the only thing you need to do is to call some guy at the unemployment office once a month (who, by the way, will offer you an arabic translator despite you living in the country for 5 years), and then you can spend the rest of your time chatting with other people from your own homeland, in your own little close-knit community.

>> No.38639144

>>38621033
I played a fat Summoner in PF once. He was so fat that his Eidolon had to carry him around all the time.

>> No.38639160

>>38639078
Not him but

>immigration causes wealth
Yes. For those already wealthy. It puts a lot of strain on social programs that are there to help the working class

I do agree that immigration can be an overall gain, assuming that the immigrants are filling professional needs otherwise not being met and that the immigrants actually try to integrate and don't fly back to the third world to join terrorist organizations

>> No.38639186

>>38639078
>Well, mass immigration in the United States has been a staple of its growth and the economic prosperity of its large cities for a very long time now.
And how did that turn out for the native population? Also, the grand majority (almost all) of those immigrants came from Europe, mostly Germany and Ireland. In other words, they came from compatible cultures. There wasn't a wave of millions of Arabic or Indian immigrants in the late 19th century.

>China's entire history has been about assimilating cultures
>ASSIMILATING
Not the same as immigration, nigger.

>I also question the idea that Europe has lost its prosperity since immigration
It has maintained a degree of prosperity, but in spite of immigration rather than because of it. Immigration from outside of Europe actually is a drain on the economy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

It only exists because of two reasons: low birth rates, and idiots like you who call anyone who opposes racism -no matter how valid their reasons for opposing it- racist. Idiots like you turn anything that even resembles a decent discussion into a buzzword shouting match.

>> No.38639201

>>38629740
>this guy's

anon, that's a woman

>> No.38639237

I played an overweight woman in a scifi game, but she was also sassy and black, does that count?

>> No.38639246

>>38635923
oy, fuck you.

I went from 200+ pounds to 125 and I still drink, and drank, soda.

Really, all it took for me was going from 2 sodas a day to 1 soda a day. The weight went off immediately, and when I needed to stop losing weight, I went back to 2 sodas a day.

>> No.38639263

>>38638939

>tell me how opposing mass immigration goes against the interests of the whole
>mass immigration is a bad thing
Not from an economic perspective; that fosters growth. The "benefit scrounger" immigrant, statistically speaking, is a myth. Immigrants predominately come for WORK, either in someone else's business or to set up their own. Hell, proportionately they're MORE likely to start small businesses than native residents.

I know this because it's a situation I myself have been in; I immigrated to South Korea in 2013 to WORK. Specifically, to work as a teacher. Most immigrants here in South Korea are teachers or soldiers keeping an eye on the North, or high-level businesspeople and technical consultants (I know some mad Dutch software engineers who work at Incheon airport) On the other hand, yes some Philipino women come here to work in the sex trade. This is a drop in the bucket compared to the Americans and British people coming over to work in the private afterschool sector - just the AFTERSCHOOL programs, not even counting public school or university programs like GEPIK.

So, yeah, I would say from my experience immigrants are a pretty positive thing.

>> No.38639291

>>38629740
>guy

>> No.38639296

>>38639246
Agreed, it's weird how precise this shit is. I've had almost exactly the same experiences. (I didn't drop to 125. Geez, man, way to skeleton.)

>> No.38639305

>>38639160

>immigration causes wealth for those already wealthy

Not really; immigrants are more likely to start up small businesses and create their own damn wealth. This is where the stereotype of the Korean grocery etc comes from.

>> No.38639332

Ite my two cents.

>women tend to be very self conscious about weight
>younger women tend to be even more so
>people who are up for tabletops tend to have brain problems (not poking fun its true, I have autism and a myriad of other minor shit)

An overweight, younger /tg/ type girl is probably going to have abject hatred and despair for her body and would likely never roleplay anything of the sort.

ALSO

In my experience girls LOVE playing very attractive but seriously flawed/fucked up in the head. Overweight obviously doesn't fit this.

ALSO

I have seen guys play overweight women, just guys tend not to RP females. Also when they do RP females they tend to RP their fetish incarnate.

ALSO

OP is a faggot.

ALSO

Yes my gf is a little plump but she is adorable.

>> No.38639349

>>38626807
>I never had the heart to tell them "By making character who are ugly, inelegant, or unattractive with sad, shitty lives. Just like you."

ftfy

>> No.38639350

>>38639141
I'm not the most familiar with Europe's economic systems, but I'd definitely agree that's an issue-- Difference being that I'd say it's an issue of the economic system, rather than the immigration as a whole.

>>38639160
I don't really disagree with anything here, to be honest. Immigrants attempting to become terrorists are a legitimate issue and have to be fought. Preferably without discrimination on racial or national lines, but if that's not feasible it's not worth letting people die over, either.

>>38639186
Bro you're entirely too angry for this conversation. The native population (where immigration is concerned, meaning white folks, specifically those in big cities) did fine, and there's been a series of waves of Chinese and other Asian immigrants that in no way hurt America's economic prosperity, even in cases where they lodged in insular communities and for decades refused to assimilate. Also, Chinese assimilation of other cultures is only different from immigration in that the cultures in question often invaded maliciously to start the issue, and still came out the other end carrying the flag of their host nation.

>> No.38639352

>>38639263
>Not from an economic perspective; that fosters growth.
I'm going to repost my article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html
It's a net drain, or third world immigration is at least. This shouldn't surprise anyone: uneducated immigrants that are prone to violence are a drain on economies based on skilled and knowledgeable workers? Stop the fucking presses.

>Immigrants predominately come for WORK
And there is no fucking work. What happens when unemployment is a problem and immigrants keep pouring in? Wages go down, which is a good thing for corporations, but unemployment goes up too. Add to that the fact that immigrants from the third world are more likely to be unemployed than natives or other immigrants, and you understand the problem (or deny it because logic is racist).

>I immigrated to South Korea in 2013 to WORK. Specifically, to work as a teacher.
A teacher? You sound educated. Far, far more educated than the average Pakistani or Algerian immigrant to Europe, I'd wager. I wonder if that totally changes the situation or not, hmmmm. I also wonder if it has something to do with South Korea having a healthier immigration policy due to a lack of white guilt. Tell me, have you seen any ghettoes that resemble Nigeria more than a Korean metropolis while you're there? Because such ghettoes exist in almost every major West European city.

tl;dr: Apples and oranges.

>> No.38639361

>>38639246
>All it took was going from 2 sodas a day to 1

I have a hard time believing that. Reducing your weight by that much takes a lot more than just cutting soda intake. Probably started eating better by simple courtesy of not masking the shitty taste of fast food with soda.

>> No.38639367

>>38639263
>dutch
>american
>british
>not millions of 3rd world squatters

>> No.38639420

>>38627746
If the girl in your pic is your definition of "chubby," I am going to slap you.

>> No.38639426

>>38639350
It's definitely a problem with the economic and integration system, but it's pretty hard to fix without either scrapping parts of the social security, which frankly is impossible politically, or dividing citizens into different classes giving for example citizens of five years or more access to better support from the state, since that would also be a complete faux pas, and probably undemocratic.

>> No.38639456

>>38639361
I dunno man I gained ~30 pounds from soda intake (used to get a free one a day at work) and lost it all just by cutting the soda

>> No.38639562

>>38639352

>having a healthier immigration policy
Eh, all you really need to do is provide some form of educational transcript/diploma (and those are fucking easy to get) and a letter from a prospective employer (also easy to get)

>> No.38639571

>>38639350
>the native population (where immigration is concerned, meaning white folks, specifically those in big cities)
Shifting goal posts, I see? Very well, I'll accept it only because it reveals how stupid you are

>did fine
NO, really? You mean white people did fine with immigration that consisted of 90% white people?

>and there's been a series of waves of Chinese and other Asian immigrants that in no way hurt America's economic prosperity
How many of those were there? Very, very little compared to white immigrants, as evidenced by the extremely small portion of the American population being of East Asian descent.

>Also, Chinese assimilation of other cultures is only different from immigration in that the cultures in question often invaded maliciously to start the issue
Which means it isn't fucking immigration, and thus entirely a moot point. Those people never went to China, China came to them.

>> No.38639603

>>38639562
>Eh, all you really need to do is provide some form of educational transcript/diploma (and those are fucking easy to get) and a letter from a prospective employer (also easy to get)
If Europe put those limitations on its immigrants, it'd be 90% better. It'd also mean far less immigrants from the third world though, so it'd probably be accused of being secretly racist or whatever.

>> No.38639609

>make a comment about arm length relative to ethnicity
>remember thread hours later
>long discussion about whether genetics exists or not
I do not know what to take from this

>> No.38639649

>>38636172
It was her low point
I'm still mad Pam and Archer didn't permanently shack up.

>> No.38639680

Daily reminder that immigrants in Europe consists of like 95% "refugees" and thus can't/won't be asked for a minimum education level or anything of that sort, we take them in out of the goodness of our hearts.

>> No.38639682

>>38638705
>young parents
Do they just let their kids get away with anything? I'm confident that's the extent of it but I'd be interested if there were any more reasons.

>> No.38639684

>>38639609
As often as every board goes into an autistic rage about /pol/ staying contained, everyone loves to discuss /pol/ topics.

>> No.38639725

>>38639684
Plainly. My conscious and deliberate efforts to provoke discussion have a lesser track record than one comment on arm length.

It's especially odd when I have made observations about eg/ fore-arm to rear-arm ratio, jaw structure and other less-considered ethnic features before and got nuttin'. But then there was also a troll in this thread that people fed, so eh.

>> No.38639736

>>38639367
Yeah. Pretty much every immigrant wave after the English and Germans were considered drunk, violent, ignorant low-lives who would never amount to anything and didn't really count as 'white'. French, Irish, Italian, Polish, Portuguese.

And then they all learned English and assimilated, like those before them, and started calling themselves White.

Next on the list are probably the millions of 'hispanics' who are actually white, and all the paler Asian varieties.

The omg-white-minority! scare-projections are based on excluding every group they can, particularly mixed-race whitish blends, to feed the old persecution complex that everyone else is a single hate-fueled bloc and as soon as the palefaces drop to 49%, black muslim lynch mobs will come for them. Essentially regurgitating what The South feared back in colonial times, and what present day well-known-as-racists groups in Europe are droning on about lately.

It makes *marginally* more sense coming from Europe, which has easy land invasion routes for Russians and ISIS. The US, though? Oh no, more tacos. Where's my fainting couch?

>> No.38639737

>>38639682
Yes bratty children are annoying.
But the parents do the stupidest shit you wouldn't believe.
Who the hell thinks its a good idea to use a used diaper on your plate? We have a goddamn restroom

>> No.38639742

>>38639609
/tg/ man, /tg/

>> No.38639765

>>38639680
>we take them in out of the goodness of our hearts.
And basing your immigration policy (or any political policy, for that matter) on matters of the heart rather than matters of the mind is just stupid. The ethnic and religious tensions in Europe tell us enough. And yet, the rape train has no brakes because speaking up makes you a racist. It's like some kind of political cult where you can easily be branded a heretic for questioning the cults child sacrifice. Except we aren't sacrificing children, but entire nations.

>> No.38639775

>>38639263
Are you seriously comparing a handful of skilled Western immigrants to Europe's massive influx of uneducated third world refugees?

>> No.38639807

>>38639736
>The omg-white-minority! scare-projections are based on excluding every group they can, particularly mixed-race whitish blends
>"mixed-race"
>implying the existance of races
>implying they are at least partially non-white

Your racial relativism has come to bite you in the ass.

>> No.38639818

>>38639725
I just wanted to post bootylicous female character art...

>> No.38639831

>>38639818
Whats stopping you?

>> No.38639844

>>38639571
I'm only shifting the goalposts because you completely made up where the goalposts were supposed to be. The fate of Native Americans had absolutely nothing to do with the concept of immigration. Colonialism is a teensy bit different.
>white people did fine with immigration that consisted of 90% white people?
The original native population and the immigrants both did fine, I fail to see how the skin color makes a difference to that.
>How many of those were there?
10% of California's population in the late 1800s, hardly an insignificant drop in the pot. Though it IS important that American federal law cut off the flow of Chinese after about that point.
>China came to them
No, I'm talking about the likes of Northern invaders that went into China and were then assimilated.

>> No.38639845

>>38639818
Is it weird that she, and especially her ass, disgust me?

>> No.38639854

>>38639765
I'm not the one saying it's a good policy. A nation should look after it's own citizens first and foremost, and it has no obligation to take in ever stray who's ran away from another country which is completely fucked up by it's own inhabitants. But in todays world you just can't say that, since for some reason people draw the conclusion that since everyone is actually equally worth in the world, we are responsible to take care of everyone. It's just...wrong.

>> No.38639880

>>38639818
I just realized that I didn't actually talk about the thread's actual topic the whole time.
Never seen anyone play a fat girl either.
Most of the guys (myself included) exclusively play males while most of the women I play with exclusively play elves

>> No.38639909

>>38639831
Mostly /pol/ text walls...

>>38639845
Not really, some people just don't like cellulite...

>> No.38639917

>>38639831
She'd have to stop shitposting

>> No.38639922

>>38639844
>No, I'm talking about the likes of Northern invaders that went into China and were then assimilated.
This happens a lot, historically speaking.
Its rather reminiscent of the times the Greeks and Nubians invaded Egypt.
Theres no point in messing with a working system, especially if the system makes the peasants accept your rule easier

>> No.38639936

>>38639680
Eh, there's a large portion of the refugees that we haven't taken in and indeed can't dedicate resources legally to spending. If I recall correctly, in technical terminology the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker is whether they've been taken in or not. Refugees just turn up, asylum seekers actually go through proper channels etc.

There's a whole bunch of legal hooey about people escaping their countries to live somewhere else. I used to work educating immigrants so we saw a lot of different people from different areas and the situation was often.. complicated. See, by EU law, refugees are the problem of the FIRST country they land in. Someone escaping, say, Eritrea by boat is probably going to land in, say, Italy and then travel by land and another boat to the UK. Legally, in those cases, we CAN'T help those people because it's officially not our problem. Us bleeding heart "don't like to watch or promote human suffering" types do what we can under the table to keep them alive and going while the even-slower wheels of international law turn to figure out where we need to send them off to, of course.

It's easy to stand on a high horse and say "it's full, fuck off" and act like the problems don't exist, but I bet you wouldn't act like that if you had to work with people whose options are starvation here or genocide there.

>> No.38639956

>>38639844
>I'm only shifting the goalposts because you completely made up where the goalposts were supposed to be.
Yeah, that's kind of the idea when you start a discussion: you line out what it's about.

>The fate of Native Americans had absolutely nothing to do with the concept of immigration.
Because it wasn't like white colonists started expanding West and settling in Native lands without even trying to adapt to their customs and culture or anything.

>Colonialism is a teensy bit different.
And you'd be really stretching the definition of colonialism if you consider what the Americans did in Continental America (as opposed to Puerto Rico, Guam etc.) to be colonialism.

>I fail to see how the skin color makes a difference to that.
You fail to see how a European population migrating to a country dominated by Europeans fails to pose a problem? France has roughtly as many Algerian immigrants as Spanish ones. Why do you think you never hear anything about those Spanish immigrants starting shit, huh? Because Spaniards are effectively Frenchmen that speak Spanish.

>10% of California's population in the late 1800s
10% of one state, and a barely populated state at the time. Not 10% of the entire fucking country.

>No, I'm talking about the likes of Northern invaders that went into China and were then assimilated.
I'll have to wonder how many of them actually migrated. Considering how uncommon large scale migrations were prior to the 1960s, it's more likely that it was just a Mongolian dynasty and their army and entourage moving in and declaring themselves the new rulers. A bit like the Norman Invasion, or Louis XIV installing a fellow Bourbon as the king of Spain. Nothing like modern day mass migration.

>> No.38639969

>>38639922
Hell, those revisionists who have taken to the idea of a "transformation" rather than a fall of Rome are largely saying that the Barbarians did the same thing when taking over the western Empire.

>> No.38639981

>>38639737
Seriously? That's grounds to get kicked out of a restaurant for causing a disturbance, surely. It must be a critical mass thing though, where enough customers do enough shitty things with enough frequency that you just have to let them slide and focus on other things.

>> No.38640011

I can't really recall ANYONE ever playing an overweight character be it male or female.

With the exception of my Halfling Alchemist named Allek. Apparently she was a little chubby..

Because I'm totally supposed to know how much a fucking Halfling is supposed to weigh!

>> No.38640019

>>38639936
>but I bet you wouldn't act like that if you had to work with people whose options are starvation here or genocide there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Even if every first world country on the planet decided they'd start taking in as many immigrants as they possible can right now, the problem would not be solved. If you really want to do something for them, don't argue that they should come to a country where they cannot assimilate, but make sure that their own countries become better places to live. You can stop by cutting aid. Yes, cutting aid. First world "charity" massively fucks over local farmers who can no longer sell their own crops.

>> No.38640025

>>38639818
I want to like this image, but it looks like the bird's growing a tumour just above her ass. Like, there's a weird, flat, squarish shelf between the top of her butt and the curve of her back.

>>38639845
Not at all, it is strange given her fairly cute face and narrow waist but, well, see above.

>> No.38640037

>>38639684

Mostly the problem with pol isn't so much their topics of discussion so much as their manner. They alternate between froth-spewing and not-as-sly-as-they-think baiting and don't really have a third mood.

>>38639736

Oh, that argument is trotted out to every ethnic group and it's always during times of economic downturns that the myth comes out. And it can be racially motivated - during the last great recession in Sweden, black immigrants were blamed by the media for the lack of job even though they were a fraction of the size of white immigrant population. On the other hand, if you look at the relative economic statuses of African nations you see that the worse off they are, the more likely they are to engage in tribal warfare, homophobic attacks etc.

>> No.38640044

I don't see anyone play overweight characters period. All the men are lithe and wiry or huge and muscled.

>> No.38640052

>>38639880
Well I answered that in my first post here:
>>38633781
>Role-playing is Fantasy Fulfillment after all, and despite your personal opinion on the condition, being a portly lady isn't much of a Fantasy.
Basically, being overweight is such a common and easily obtainable status that it has no real fantastic glamour, like how few would want to play a character that's an actual hobo.

I mean, if given a choice between playing a Fatass human Sorceress or a Slug-girl one, the Slug-girl would be the more desirable choice.

>> No.38640079

>>38639361
Nah.
Literally the only change was a lack of a single soda a day.

I am riding SLIGHTLY ABOVE a caloric deficit with two sodas. With one, I am SLIGHTLY BELOW.

a much bigger slightly, since I lose weight on one soda WAY faster than I gain weight on two.

>> No.38640105

>>38639956
>Because it wasn't like white colonists started expanding West and settling in Native lands without even trying to adapt to their customs and culture or anything.
Who are the french?
What are mountain men?
What are the spoils of war?

>> No.38640116

>>38639296
>>not being a skele-man
I take too much fun in being a self-styled liche to do that

>> No.38640149

>>38639332
>the "roleplaying your fetish" argument

FUCK YOU.
It is impossible for me to play a woman and not be doing that.
Well, actually it is possible, but they have to be the WORST person ever. Like, not even evil, just a bad person. which has less to do with looks and more to do with the basic acts of social life.
like coaster knowledge

>> No.38640153

>>38640037
>during the last great recession in Sweden, black immigrants were blamed by the media for the lack of job even though they were a fraction of the size of white immigrant population.
A fraction, but when they're heavily overrepresented in crime, refuse to assimilate and the government pledges to bring in even more of them, then there's a fucking problem and an anti-immigration party is simply justified. The Swedes simply believe this has reached the point where it has to stop.

What also doesn't help is that pretty much all of these immigrants are concentrated in specific areas. They may be a tiny fraction of the total population, but in Malmö (not coincidentally one of the least safe cities in Europe) they're close to the majority.

>> No.38640161

>>38640019

>even if every first world country took in as many immigrants as possible
Which no-one is suggesting
>don't say they shouldn't come to a country where they can't assimilate
Who said they can't? The difference between many cultures isn't so severe as you might think...
>First world charity is bad
Government-to-government aid is problematic because very little of the aid actually reaches the people in question and instead mostly just props up a failing government; so much for trickle-down, eh? Charitable aid from NGOs, on the other hand, actually does make a difference because it generally targets local communities directly.

>> No.38640201

>>38640149
I always play my awful, disgusting fetish when I play women.
My fetish is strong female characters in art.

>> No.38640210

>>38640105
>Who are the french?
White? Or do you mean Louisiana? That vast, entirely empty area with only 8,000 people (at best) living in it that Napoleon sold?

>What are Mountain Men?
An extremely tiny and isolated minority consisting of various cultures.

>What are the spoils of war?
I don't even know what you're referencing here in terms of America's expansion.

>> No.38640232

>>38640079
Slightly above to slightly below does not cause a 75+ pound drop over a short period of time. Was this on the scale of a decade? I could MAYBE believe that. Anything less and the math doesn't make any sense.

>> No.38640257

>>38640161
>Which no-one is suggesting
Hence "even if". Do you know how to read? I'm assuming the "best case" scenario here to explain how futile immigration is in order to solve third world problems.

>Who said they can't?
Are you blind or just unwilling to see the problems with immigrants in Europe?

>Government-to-government aid is problematic because very little of the aid actually reaches the people in question and instead mostly just props up a failing government; so much for trickle-down, eh?
Then the problem is a lack of stable government. Try starting there.

>Charitable aid from NGOs, on the other hand, actually does make a difference because it generally targets local communities directly.
Yes, it means that the people in a region have enough food for another week, entirely for free. Do you understand how this fucks over local farmers or do I have to spell it out for you?

>> No.38640353

>>38640257
>Yes, it means that the people in a region have enough food for another week, entirely for free

Why the fuck don't we ever just donate seed instead of useable grain? Or do we? This argument pops up a lot and I'm a little unclear on what the mechanics of it are.

>> No.38640379

>>38640201

>Strong Female Women

Musclegirls are my fetish, too.

>> No.38640390

>>38640257

>people in the region have food for free
>this fucks over local farmers

Okay, first of all this is stupid because you seem to think the only aid ever provided is food-based. This ignores, say, education programs, clean-water work or Doctors Without Borders which all work on long-term, non-food major issues plaguing local communities, such as the spread of HIV in Africa. A huge part of what Comic Relief does is fundraise for medical aid and working with child homelessness.

Second of all, are you really so retarded that you think a famine-stricken region's farmers are doing their jobs properly (or haven't already been fucked over by environmental/political etc conditions) if the region has gotten to be fucking famine-stricken? The free market is not something that will magically un-drought a region. Jesus.

>> No.38640391

>>38640379
I just like brown girls

>> No.38640405

>>38640379
I cannot deny that musclegirls are my fetish, but emotional strength is a much stronger fetish of mine.

>> No.38640418

>>38640353
>I'm a little unclear on what the mechanics of it are.
Creating dependence, and thus a pressure tool Western governments can use to get what they want.

>> No.38640454

>>38640232
Nah. About a year.
Though, I'm doing the math right now, and the soda could have only accounted for 20 of those pounds. I guess the rest came from the very slight uptake in phsyical activity I had during that time.

Or I have a gut parasite

>> No.38640460

>>38640418
you mean like colonialism but with people who would disagree with such practices as boots on the ground?
pretty genius

>> No.38640487

>>38640418
>Creating dependence, and thus a pressure tool Western governments can use to get what they want.

I guess I can get behind the 'malicious puppeteers' hypothesis more easily than just 'incompetent benefactors'.

>> No.38640500

>>38640353

It depends on the government that receives aid. They're more likely to ask for the immediate fix to the problem (food now instead of seeds for food later).

A lot of modern charitable work actually is about establishing the infrastructure natives can use to keep going once we withdraw - clean water, setting up schools etc.

>> No.38640517

>>38640391

Why not both?

>>38640405

Don't know how to convey that in an image, I'm afraid.

>> No.38640533

>>38640390
>This ignores, say, education programs, clean-water work or Doctors Without Borders which all work on long-term, non-food major issues plaguing local communities, such as the spread of HIV in Africa.
Well, that's true, though ideally such affairs as education would be handled by a self-sufficient state, reducing dependence on other nations.

>Second of all, are you really so retarded that you think a famine-stricken region's farmers are doing their jobs properly
Of course not?

>or haven't already been fucked over by environmental
Wouldn't a proper and stable government be able to supply the region with the needed supplies from other regions in the country, or buy them from the international market? Oh yeah, I forgot: no stable government, no infrastructure, and no money thanks to croneyism.

>Political etc. conditions
Which once again puts us back at the root that charity cannot do anything about: an instable government.

>The free market is not something that will magically un-drought a region.
But a stable government can do something about it. In fact, men like Sankara (one of the more based modern African leader, if not the most based one) actually opposed foreign aid precisely because it creates dependence. He also turned a country that once struggled with starvation into a net food exporter, so it can be done.

>> No.38640537

>>38640487

Never assume malevolence where incompetence is as likely an explanation. It's why most conspiracy theories are fundamentally flawed. Bad stuff is just more likely to have happened due to individual or systemic failings than active malice and collaboration.

>> No.38640560

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
The only cure for global poverty is radically altering the ecosystem to be able to support this many people using radically unsafe genetic engineering.

A part of this will be horrible giant plants eating people, which will also help with the poverty problem, and be a boon to the flamethrower industries.

>> No.38640580

>>38640533
>charity can't do anything about an unstable government

Radical new idea:

Charity-based military organizations. I call it:
colonialism

>> No.38640612

>>38640149
>>38640201
Ay, don't worry guys I wasn't bashing playing a fetish..

I'm a bit ero myself and encourage everyone else to be subtly.

Stronk women are ok. I only like to see such when a women has female musculature. Most art of stronk girls in literally a male physique with boobs and a pretty face. Women, even when they get bulkier still build out from female musculature.

>> No.38640614

>>38640580
I think thats already a thing
protectoratism

>> No.38640615

>>38640560
>Sell genetically modified crops to a third world country
>The crops mutate and attack the local population
>Sell flamethrowers to said country
>Rinse and repeat

>> No.38640649

>>38640537
If we're talking about exploiting the third-world, then that's not really a conspiracy theory; the Powers That Be just decided that if the natives are going to chimp out and destroy/infest infrastructure it's a lot cheaper to not invest in the region (a la "traditional colonialism") and just pack your own toys in and out.

>> No.38640654

>>38640614
The true solution to all of this is to just have skynet solve these problems.

>> No.38640684

>>38640615
And, you know what?
Quality of life will improve because of these deadly plants and flamethrowers.

>> No.38640753

>>38640614

Not Imperialism?

>> No.38640757

>>38640560
Isn't this exactly what happened in India? Minus the giant plants eating people. I remember hearing about a guy decades ago who was pioneering genetically modified plants and food and created seeds that could grow in really shitty arid soil and therefore saved the lives of like, millions of people.

>> No.38640770

>>38640757
No.
MORE radical.
MORE unsafe!
We need plants that outright produce delicious, bleeding red meat.

>> No.38640889

>>38640537
While I agree that that makes sense as a general principle, it falls flat in cases where the actor clearly has an advantage to acting maliciously-- controlling a nation's food supply so that you can get at its natural resources? Simple, yet effective.

>> No.38640912

>>38639603
Annoyingly that would still let refugees in as educated people flee the Middle-East.

>> No.38640939

>>38640912
Meh, educated refugees rarely do any real harm to their new countries of residence.

>> No.38640949

>>38640939
>>38640912
Yeah, everyone loves educated refugees.

It's the mudscum who we hate.

>> No.38641220

>>38640753
Colonialism is basically Imperialism as practiced on inferiors; you want a land''s resources but to keep the people relatively powerless (so they don't upset the balance of power) and pacified to extract said resources for you and as such the best option is to improve the native lot in life to the point that they're a willing underclass.

And if you're particularly politically incorrect you could argue that many native peoples (such as sub-saharan africans and Australian aboriginals) are so intellectually deficient that having their affairs of state and infrastructure run for them by a competent, benevolent, foreign power is the equivalent of assisted living for the mentally disabled and a moral endeavor on a macro scale - sure there might be the occasional institutional abuse or exploitative process but when the native life expectancy doubles, the infant mortality rate sinks like a rock, people start to live in houses and not leaf huts and people are no longer ritually mutilated as punishment, isn't that worth a few unjustly broken bones or blackened lungs now and again?

>> No.38641833

>>38640353
>Why the fuck don't we ever just donate seed instead of useable grain?
>instead of usable grain
>some kind of...
>wheat-seed

>> No.38641966

>>38633014
I knew this girl in college who was a powerlifter. I dunno if she would quite qualify for the fat part of strongfat. As for attractive, I'd definitely hit it multiple times, sober, lights on.

Don't have any pics to share, though, sorry.

>> No.38642466

>>38641966
>Don't have any pics to share, though, sorry.
Don't worry, we didn't believe you anyway.

>> No.38642898

>>38642466
Well, you don't know how low his standards are.

>> No.38642919

>>38641833
you know damn well he meant mature vs seed

>> No.38644250

>>38621033
No one likes fat people.

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