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Have Eldar and Tau forces ever fought each other in canon?

>> No.37409409

>>37409343
In Dawn of War: Dark Crusade and Soul Storm?

>> No.37409680

>>37409343
Ghost Warriors dataslate or Iyanden supplement mentions a conflict where the Eldar mounted an attack on a Tau facility to recover damaged Ghost Warriors. The Tau couldn't figure out how soulstones worked, and they tried to contact the Eldar afterwards in the hopes of learning how their remotely-operated battlesuits work.

>> No.37409757

>>37409409
I mean other than that. In fluff.

>> No.37409800

>>37409409
He said canon.

>> No.37409830

>>37409800

>40k
>canon

Kids these days.

>> No.37409845

>>37409800
All the games are cannon you dumb nerd

>> No.37409933

>>37409845
Well then, I hope you like standard tau soldiers possessing S10 AP1 railguns and killing hundreds of marines with pulse rifles.

>> No.37409979

>>37409933
Why are you talking about mechanics when we are clearly talking about plot?

>> No.37409985

>>37409680
You know, I rather like that. It does seem like the exact kind of misunderstanding the supernaturally oblivious Tau would do.

>> No.37409986

Dark Eldar, sure.

Eldar Eldar, probably at some point. The Tau would have eventually found some Maiden World during their expansion.

>> No.37409996

>>37409985
Given how traumatized the Iyanden are by needing to resurrect so many dead, can you imagine how far that rocketed the stick up their ass?

>> No.37410074

>>37409979
Hundreds of marines killed with pulse rifles is plot in fire warrior. Or we could go with ork leadership being described as "shrewed and intellectual" in Final liberation.

>> No.37410112

>>37410074
Fire Warrior isn't a Dawn of War Game.

>> No.37410116

>>37409996
Oh, no doubt, which in a way wakes it all the better as the Tau are just like "dude, these things are sweet! How did you pull it off?". Then they get all confused when the Eldar they basically asked for tech support and friendly advice stark screaming in incoherent rage and horror, possibly accusing them of atrocities of some kind.

>> No.37410134

>>37410074
Well it is.....in an Orky sort of way.
Are you really going to say Goregutz isn't one of the brightest people in the galaxy? Even with his particular set of priorities?

>> No.37410168

>>37410112
The poster said all games.

>> No.37410223

>> No.37410239

>>37410223

>> No.37410289

>>37410223
psychic eldar 0
blunt dark eldar 1

Eldar should just abandon this farseeing bollocks. That shit is embarrassing.

>> No.37410319

>>37410223
>The maiden world of Lilarsus is destroyed by expansionist Tau forces.
...wat. Unless 'destroyed' is supposed to be some kind of eldar-slanted euphemism for 'your dirty hooves touched our precious grass blades! YOU'VE RUINED IT!' how or why even the fuck

of all the factions the Tau are the least likely to randomly slam-dunk a planet out of nowhere, especially a defenseless paradise world that would make prime colonization material

>> No.37410338

>>37410319
Sometimes Maiden Worlds have Eldar colonies and facilities.

I imagine the Tau bombarded the colonies and went to work wiping out the Eldar colonists on the surface.

>> No.37410366

>>37410319
> Unless 'destroyed' is supposed to be some kind of eldar-slanted euphemism for 'your dirty hooves touched our precious grass blades! YOU'VE RUINED IT!' how or why even the fuck

I would bet that's exactly it.

>>37410338
>I imagine the Tau bombarded the colonies and went to work wiping out the Eldar colonists on the surface.
That doesn't sound like Tau modus operandi at all.

>> No.37410407

>>37410223
>Tau being friendly despite warring brutal and bloody war
>Eldar too elitist to care
>Dark eldar are elitist sadists
>Space Marines are all genocidal crusaders hell-bent on a racial purity campaign
>IG are similar though less "fanatical"
>Necrons are soulless monsters that think of flesh as play things and slap slabs of flesh onto their chrome skeleton bodies thinking its a a decent disguise- cue blood curdling screams from every single person within a 5 mile radius who can see this abomination
>Tyranids kill because HIVE-MIND
>Sisters of battle are female space marines but less good and more fanatically insane
>Orks are WAAAAAAAGH
>Chaos Space Marines are...Do I really even need to?

Anyone who doesn't realize that the Tau are the obvious good-guys is blind, and possibly mentally handicapped.

>> No.37410411

>>37410366
The Dark Eldar goaded the Tau by conducting a series of cruel raids and then lured them to the Maiden world.

The Tau thought the Maiden World was raiders base of operation and they destroyed it in revenge.

>> No.37410458

>>37410407
Tau may be Least Bad, but they aren't good in the right sense. They still want everyone else to submit to them peacefully or not. I realize it's the enigmatic ethereals, and probably one of the resons Farsight broke off.
If there is genuileny good Tau faction, it's probably his.

>> No.37410471

>>37410458
>Tau may be Least Bad
That would be the Necrons.

>> No.37410482

>>37410458
Tau have a "greater good" thing going for them, and while I generally don't operate under that exact mindset, I can still find it a lot more understandable than damn near everything else in the game.

I mean, christ, the Tau are one of the very few factions that you can canonically have other races serve under as willing volunteers.

>Dem IG scout troops

>> No.37410495

>>37410471
>people who single handedly turned galaxy into a shithole, because butthurt

>> No.37410518

>>37410471
>They literally sold their souls to an ominous reaper-god for immortality

Yea-no. The Necrons are a step above the Tyranids and Chaos just by the mere fact that they don't want complete and utter annihilation of everything.

>> No.37410533

>>37410482
>I mean, christ, the Tau are one of the very few factions that you can canonically have other races serve under as willing volunteers.

Actually, the Necrons do that too.

You re given a choice by some dynasties to either bow down in service to their eternal majesty or die.

>> No.37410547

>>37410495
I know.

The Old Ones were such dicks.

>> No.37410552

>>37410223
>tau DESTROY a maiden world
>literally destroy a world of green healthy shit to eat


for what purpose?

>> No.37410555

>>37410482
>"Willing" Volunteers

In various forms of Canon Tau have done everything from soviet-style "Big Brother" KGB bullshit (Making people who don't believe in the Greater Good Disappear without a trace) to mind-stapling / brainwashing (1984-style or Alpha Centauri style) to mass infertilization of human populations (Due to them breeding faster than Tau can handle) all the way to Dawn of War's concentration camps.

Even if none of that is true, and GW writers finally say once and for all that Tau are genuinely good, it doesn't stop the fact that their habits and lifestyles actively promote every evil that the Imperium has been trying to fight for the last 10,000 years. They don't understand Chaos at all, they're incapable of it, and they don't do anything to nascent psykers. They're slowly developing AI, and the last time that happened humanity accidentally'd the galaxy. It hasn't bitten them in the ass yet, entirely because the entirety of Tau space takes place in a speck of the size of the universe, a blip inside a blip of Ork territory.

Their fate is a tragic one, to try so hard and still be entirely wrong about what the universe is and their pllace in it.

>> No.37410573

>>37410552
They thought it was a dark eldar raiding outpost.

>>37410411

Also, they probably didn't destroy it in the unlivable sense, probably just bombing some colonies.

>> No.37410575

>>37410552
The greater good, obviously.

>> No.37410580

>>37410552
You

see

>>37410411

It's not like the Tau Empire lacks lush praradise worlds or can't teraform new ones. Anyways, the Tau like desert worlds the most.

>> No.37410582

>>37410552
As has been stated, exaggeration, although not by too much-orbital bombardment of entrenched facilities does do substantial ecological damage, depending on the methodology used.

It's probably still fixable from terraformers over a few hundred to a thousand years (well within a single eldar lifespan).

>> No.37410598

>>37410547
I will give you that.
But Necrontyr weren't any better.

>> No.37410608

>>37410555
>Their fate is a tragic one, to try so hard and still be entirely wrong about what the universe is and their pllace in it.

Well, seeing as both the Necrons and the Tyranids use FTL travel without the use of the warp, they clearly do understand something about it. All this "muh heresy" nonsense revolves around the idea that they are the only gods, when that's simply entirely untrue, as we can see with the existence of many various other gods that exist.

Also, aren't the Tau immune or something to the effects of chaos because they're totally ignorant of it? I forget why they don't see the Chaos as a threat.

>> No.37410615

>>37410555
>Imperial propaganda pls go.

>> No.37410622

>>37410411
That's a pretty major cockup, but then again 40K timeline-lore has a hard-on for exaggeration of scale.

>> No.37410633

>>37409845
>calling someone dumb
>cannon

>> No.37410634

>>37410555
Also, according to canon, reports "vary" as to the purpose of the Tau auxiliaries. I don't doubt that it's a mixed bag, but there's also probably some propaganda/misinformation in there.

Despite the worst of the worst, it's still a lot more humane than any of the other races.

>> No.37410641

>>37410633
you came from that?

>> No.37410642

>>37410608
Not immune, but unappetizing

One of the books has a Tau Ethereal captured alongside a human general

The human general breaks too easily, and descends into spawndom

The Ethereal resists so much, and is so unappetizing, that the Gods end up just having him killed because they can't make decent use of it.

The Tau are saltine crackers compared to the nice cheese tray of humanity or the three-course meal of an eldar soul.

>> No.37410648

>>37410608
They're not immune, they're just harder to infest. They see Chaos as a lesser threat because they don't interact with it on the level anyone else does. They skim across the surface of hell instead of diving through it and they've only encountered a few cults of nutters here and there.

>> No.37410657

>>37410411
This is such a Tau thing to do.
>Look those pirates "retreated" to this lushious green planet!
>SHOOT EVERYTHING THAT MOVES WITH RAILGUNS

>> No.37410664

>>37410555
None of those methods are current canon. sterilization never was, that was mentioned in a video game. The rest are both outdated and not from codex sources.

Tau AI does possibly pose a risk to a degree though it is very different from mankinds. Farsight's supplement said the Ethereal caste was fully aware of chaos and already had it under control.

>> No.37410672

>>37410608
Reason 1 is a lack of knowledge. To them, daemons are just unusual aliens. The Tau also claim to have killed Slaanesh, since they fought a cult of him and thought that was the leader's name.

Reason 2 is that they don't have as much warp presence, so daemons don't corrupt them as readily. While the canonical amount varies, generally it means that daemons aren't a problem unless they're really determined.

Combine those two, and the result is the Tau consider all of it to be little more than superstition.

The problems might start popping up as the number of warp-vulnerable races in the Tau empire increases. Unless they can figure out a way to psychically shield people, they're going to have huge problems down the line.

>> No.37410675

>>37410575
Only person who caught on. Thank you. And it was so easy.

>> No.37410725

>>37410664
When an etheral can tell a tau to go fuck themselves and they will literally try to do it, chaos cults are probably less problematic in their culture.

>> No.37410737

>>37410725
Its all those ethereal forehead farts. Pheromones, man.

>> No.37410939

>>37410319
Because Dark Eldar.

The Tau got so traumatized by the DE's little "cultural exchange" thing that the next time they ran into some pointy-eared bastards they went "you know what? We're not even goint to try and negotiate" and glassed the planet from orbit.

That's how big assholes the DE are. They make even the normally diplomatic Tau consider "exterminatus first, as questions never" a viable option.

>> No.37410949

>>37410074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0vDQWMJNbE

>implying a boss aint not cunning

>> No.37410979

>>37410939
> "cultural exchange"

The event discussed in this thread happened centuries before the "Cultural Exchange'' event.

>> No.37411430

>>37410641
You mean you've never laughed so hard you jizzed?
I feel bad for you son.

>> No.37411442

>>37411430
I don't find typos that funny, but I see your point.

>> No.37411832

>>37409845

You realize one of the games is explicitly not canon, right? Titus cannot exist in the current 40K timeline, because the game takes place when Sicarius is in that position.

>> No.37411984

>>37410289

It's not like Eldar lost. There was just no need to continue fighting once they understood what was going on.

>> No.37412001

>>37410518

Many of them want exactly that.

>> No.37412107

>>37410407

8/10 post

>> No.37413242

>>37410407
> Tau
> Good

More like Orwellesque.

>> No.37413376

>>37409343
Why don't the Eldar and Tau become allies? Do they even have a reason to hate each other?

>> No.37413616

>>37413376
Craftworld eldar are not a unified faction most of the time. Some are much more xenocidal than others, like biel tan.

>> No.37414272

>>37413616
Ironically, Biel-Tan is slowly toning down on the genocidal thing.

Now instead of slaughtering people that land on Maiden Worlds, they simply pack them up and move them elsewhere.

Saim-Hann are the broest of Craftworld Eldar since they aren't that much uptight and take pleasure in simple things since they were the first that packed up and left the Eldar Empire, thus they were less affected by The Fall.

>> No.37414541

>>37409343
Tau and Eldar have clashed before, the tau stole some wraithguard and studied them after an elder attack, they returned the wraithguard as a good will gesture to the eldar and the eldar bombed the tau for it I believe?

>> No.37414966

>>37410664
>already had it under control.
You know who else thought they had chaos under control? The Emperor.

>> No.37415024

>>37410407
Fuck no you dipshit. Good in 40k is a race. Meaning mankind are the good guys. You liberal twat. And no, Chaos isn't suddenly good then because they're not humans, they're heretics. You scum

>> No.37415137

>>37415024
Nobody is truly good in 40K. It's a dark and a shitload shades of gray kind of thing.

>> No.37415234

>>37410608
Nids use warp based FTL, it's what the Narwhal genus does, they project a psychic wave that phases the following ships partially into the warp.

>> No.37415469

>>37413242
Orwellian.

>> No.37415518

>>37415469
Right. Will remember that correction.

>> No.37415659

>>37415137
I've never been a big fan of the whole "everything is a shithole" type deal. To me, 40k's good is encapsulated in individuals or day to day circumstances.

I really place the Tau and the Imperium in the same boat because they operate from the same perspective, cruel or harsh out of perceived need. The Inquisition must clamp down lest shitloads of chaos heresy fuck shit up. The Ethereals feel as though they must mind/pheromone control the other Tau because when said Tau weren't mind controlled they all fought each other into bloody civil war(an interesting dynamic for the Tau would be this notion that beneath the mask of orderly castes, said castes all simmer with some sort of ingrained resentment for one another).

There's nothing that really suggests that every world in the Imperium is a shithole, Ultramar is fine, normal planets exist. Hell, even the middle to upper levels of Hives are supposed to be decent(and the guys on the lower levels KNOW that they're in slums). The Imperium works best to me as a group that does what it needs to do out of necessity, a Byzantine Empire that needs Komnenians fast.

So the whole "oh, muh Tau/Eldar/Necrons/Imperium universal good" is odd because all of those factions do shady shit when it suits them. In essence, the real good guys of the setting are individuals trying to to change it for the better.

(and this is one reason I'm not a fan of BL trying to do Horus Heresy as "everything is the Emperor's fault" because it weakens him as one of the few shining beacons of hope, but that isn't here or now).

>> No.37415688

>>37409343
I don't play 40k, but Tau Fire-caste armor is absolutely the best design in the game.

>> No.37415697

>>37415234
It doesn't say anything about it being warp based, it says they use incredibly sensitive spines to detect gravity in systems and use it to effectively open wormholes

>> No.37415713

>>37415659
Pretty much this. The setting is supposed to be mostly a backdrop for your dudes anyway, and you can see Space Marines like the Salamanders, Blood Angels and Ultramarines being generally good dudes. Even fanatical Sisters of Battle will go out of their way to protect innocent humans when they can, I believe.

Part of 40k is that there's supposed to be many different conflicting points of view - radicals and puritans, people who are tolerant of xenos or are raving for their blood, people who are truly pious or are just scheming backstabbers. There's room for everything, and all of them have to at least theoretically work together instead of fighting over who's right.

>> No.37415721

>>37415659
>because when said Tau weren't mind controlled they all fought each other into bloody civil war(an interesting dynamic for the Tau would be this notion that beneath the mask of orderly castes, said castes all simmer with some sort of ingrained resentment for one another).

Oh come on. The notion was disproven when the Farsight Enclaves didn't descend into anarchy. The Enclave Tau are still respectful and united with their brethren as they were when they were Empire Tau.

Which raises the question of are the Ethereals needed anymore.

>There's nothing that really suggests that every world in the Imperium is a shithole, Ultramar is fine, normal planets exist. Hell, even the middle to upper levels of Hives are supposed to be decent(and the guys on the lower levels KNOW that they're in slums). The Imperium works best to me as a group that does what it needs to do out of necessity, a Byzantine Empire that needs Komnenians fast.

Not every. Most worlds in the Imperium is a shithole. (picture related).

>> No.37415729

>>37415721
Farsight tau are mostly fire caste with all other castes working in subservient position.

>> No.37415756

>>37415729
Bullshit.

They are living more or less the same way they did when they were living in the empire but with DEMOCRACY!

>> No.37415780

>>37415713
The big obstacle with the Imperium working with any xenos is that they just don't trust them. Not even really because of their beliefs, humanity just has very little reason to trust aliens. When the Dark Age of Technology collapsed, various alien empires waged war on humanity, Orks and DE are a constant threat. Hrud show up now and then to screw around, other aliens also fight the Imperium. Sure sometimes the Imperium shoots first, but you figure that after literal millennium of going out into the stars and finding everything wants to kill you, you just don't trust them anymore.

Hell, the two xeno races who the Imperium can cut deals with both plan to backstab them anyway. The Eldar are always looking out for themselves and will use human soldiers or worlds as convenient meat shields. The Tau will also work the Imperium but their deals come more with "hey Gue'la, try this out and while you're at it, why don't you sign over your freedom to us?".

So everyone has a somewhat reasonable hatred of each other.

>> No.37415782

>>37415756
Sure, everyone is free to speak, nothing will happen to them, noone will be court-martialed, disappeared or relocated to a front-line colony.

That doesn't happen in a democracy.

>> No.37415815

>>37415782
Considering that these kind of actions are one of the reasons that Farsight and his gang broke away from the Tau Empire, it's HIGHLY unlikely they would commit them in the Enclave.

>> No.37415816

>>37415780
True, but that doesn't mean some noble or another won't want to trade for some Xenos weaponry to boost his arsenal, or hire some mercenaries if their planet is under attack by pirates or something. There might even be naive scholars who have only ever had limited contact with one peaceful Xenos race and believe they can all be worked with.

What you're saying makes sense, and is true 90% of the time, but there are still rare exceptions.

>> No.37415835

>>37415659
Indeed. The only good guys are individuals that actually make up for the whole good thing stuff.

Even the Inquisition has some chill dudes that people like. Hell, even Eldar have some of their dudes that aren't such douchebags and are kind of likeable.

Also it's true that not every world in the Imperium is a shithole. Truth is that it's an exaggeration that every planet is like this. Most planets are quite normal and the shitholes are in smaller numbers.

Also Emps did some shit and shooting in the foot, but I think that ten thousand years on the Golden Throne taught him something that made him the Emperor we all love.

>> No.37415849

>>37415835
>Also it's true that not every world in the Imperium is a shithole. Truth is that it's an exaggeration that every planet is like this. Most planets are quite normal and the shitholes are in smaller numbers.

Okay now you're just ignoring the fluff to replace it with your own headcanon.

Just posting these caps to counter headcanon with real canon.

>> No.37415857

>>37415815
They didn't leave the empire, their etherals all died and they realized they did well without them, so they never asked for replacements.

And... really?
In 2000 years of recoded history when has any colony managed to not repeat the mistakes of their parent nation?
New name, same shit.

>> No.37415862

>>37415849
OK, now I exaggerated the other way.

>> No.37415872

>>37410555
>>37410555
Of course they do that shit, it's literally impossible to run any empire without being an asshole, but you have to be, because, if you'll excuse me, for the greater good...

It's still nothing like the policing forces the imperium uses.

>> No.37415883

>>37415721
The Farsight Tau are a military rebel group. Not to mention that they were potentially touched by Chaos.

But that doesn't change the Tau go to great lengths to secure their Ethereals and flip the fuck out when they don't have one.

>>37415729

This anon does have a point, as a military group more than an actual nation, the Farsight Enclave is mostly Fire Caste.

As for your post about Imperial worlds, consider how MASSIVE the Imperium is. Seeing Imperial Guard deployments is a big once in a lifetime thing. People tell of the time they saw Space Marines to their great-grand-kids because some Technmarine popped by to look at a nice shovel you guys made. Saying "a bunch of worlds are shitholes" is countered by saying the Imperium is so goddamn big that countless worlds are just fine.

>>37415816
Oh, I know that exceptions slip through the cracks. I was just pointing out that there is a good reason that the races don't trust each other.

Hell, I expect that Imperium does more dealing with xenos then it lets on. It's a semi-feudal system, each planet operates autonomously, if you're the governor of Bumfuckistan, then why not just trade those Eldar a soulstone for something?

>> No.37415901

>>37415849
"Vast majority" refers to Hive worlds, which easily dwarf the population of other worlds.

That is not to say every world is a hive world. They just have more people than other worlds.

>> No.37415908

>>37415857
>They didn't leave the empire, their etherals all died and they realized they did well without them, so they never asked for replacements.

Ethereals died and Farsight started thinking for himself. After seeing the truth of the Ethereals deception as well as remembering all the bullshit the Ethereals pulled, he decided to breakaway.

>In 2000 years of recoded history when has any colony managed to not repeat the mistakes of their parent nation?

The Enclave are hellbent not being the Empire. So unless they do the same bullshit to their citizens, you have no point.

>> No.37415911

>>37410555
>. It hasn't bitten them in the ass yet, entirely because the entirety of Tau space takes place in a speck of the size of the universe, a blip inside a blip of Ork territory.
It isn't that small, they're in so many stories and canon and in conflicts often across a wide area. Plus they get a lot more cover than other races with their own empires too.

If the galaxy is a watermelon then the tau empire is a pingbong ball.

>> No.37415919

>>37415721
>>37415756
>>37415849
>>37415908

>> No.37415946

>>37415883
>The Farsight Tau are a military rebel group. Not to mention that they were potentially touched by Chaos.

They are an entire expedition force meant to retake the worlds lost during the Damocles Crusade. They are large mix of all casts except the Ethereals. Also their numbers are increasing as new defectors join them.

And no they are not touched by Chaos.

>But that doesn't change the Tau go to great lengths to secure their Ethereals and flip the fuck out when they don't have one.

They don't flip shiy when they don't have one. Tau are perfectly fine withoutan Ethereal. They flip their shits when they see an Ethereal die.

>This anon does have a point, as a military group more than an actual nation, the Farsight Enclave is mostly Fire Caste.

THEY HAVE ENTIRE WORLDS OF EARTH CASTE AND AIR CASTE!

>> No.37415970

>>37411984
sounds like nam boy

>> No.37415982

>>37415908
Not really a matter of remembering it, he just didn't have them around to encourage doublethink, duckspeak and historectifying.

>> No.37415993

>>37415721
That picture just means most people.

Even on earth the majority of humans live in shit and poverty today but we don't. There's still a large chunk, mainly us, who are living it up.

If aliens saw earth now they'd think most humans live in shit and suffer and they'd write it from that perspective just like we do for 40k.

But just like the real world, the masses of poverty stricken people dont matter and arent important and we ignore them because the real human people are westerners. We're the main humans. And for 40k that's the people of civilised worlds.

>> No.37415994

>>37415970
The Eldar lost a Maiden world. Their precious lives.

The Tau lost a colony (Kel'shan) which they rebuilt later. Tau breed like mice so losses in this conflict would be recovered swiftly.

I think the Eldar came off the worse here.

>> No.37416008

>>37415993
>And for 40k that's the people of civilised worlds.

Really, dude?

The passage was describing the conditions of CIVILIZED WORLDS!

>> No.37416020

>>37410223
by destroy a maiden world i assume the tau just landed and started up a colony and started harvesting resources enmasse.

that seems more likely than just glassing it for no reason.

Destroyed in the same sense that some house wife will claim that a gopher destroyed her petunia patch.

>> No.37416058

>>37416008
Nah, it's just some writer exagerating, they all contradict each other, and it depends what perspective it's written from.

There's just no feasible way that even most worlds are like that.

>> No.37416076

>>37415946
>Farsight uses mystic blade
>Arthas Moloch full of weird structures, shrines, and artifacts
>said world had been purged by space marines
>all Ethereals killed by strange unknown enemy

>not potentially touched by Chaos

Come on, man.

And keep in mind, when discussing Ethereals, that Farsight's expected orders, what all Fire Caste members are supposed to do as acting commander, is report to the Ethereals if you don't have one. You're not supposed to do shit on your own.

>entire worlds of Earth Caste and Air Caste

Source that shit, first off.

And secondly, Engineers and pilots, military related professions. Doesn't change that the Enclaves were made by the Fire Caste and convert mostly other military forces, made up largely of Fire Caste.

>> No.37416145

>>37415883
the imperium is so big that there are paradise worlds where the women lay on beaches topless fruit grow from the ground already infused with alcohol and there's not much else to do but make sure you tan evenly, and these paradise worlds remain untouched by war or revolt for centuries or even millenia at a time.

There are human planets that have been out of touch with the imperium or even human civilization from since before the emperor even revealed himself that are found every so often and these worlds have avoided falling to chaos or prey to aliens.

40k may focus on the worst shit. but it does have scale on its side. anything that can happen does happen.

>> No.37416152

>>37416076
>>not potentially touched by Chaos

The world according to Aun'shi's short story has the ruins of 12 civilization. From their describing of the ruins in novel you can recognize Eldar, Necron, human, and Chaos structures.

The techno- babble on the Dawn Blade as well as its powers makes think that the sword is of Eldar or Necrontyr origin.

>all Ethereals killed by strange unknown enemy

By Chaos daemons.

>Source that shit, first off.

Farsight Enclave supplement.

>> No.37416189

>>37416152
>Eldar
>Human
>Chaos
>killed by Chaos demons

And you somehow think that there is absolutely no chance of Chaos fuckery going on in that situation?

>source
Mind scanning a page?

>> No.37416204

>>37416076
Farsight enclaves do have a mix of caste. since it was a fleet that was led by farsight and only the air caste operates the navy. Earth caste members are present because they would be in charge of logistics and supply, not to mention research and the water caste because you always need some diplomats where ever you go.

It was a military fleet to the fire caste are probably over represented but it would be a mixed group.

I just wonder how everyone felt about following farsight at the beginning and how they feel about following farsight now.

>> No.37416209

>>37416145
Let's add, to the "but muh grimdark" folks that these planets usually are playthings for the nobility and their entire population are essentially employees at a luxury resort. Still a pretty good life for 'em.

>> No.37416232

>>37416189
The Daemons were unleashed suddenly when the Orks started dying on a Chaos symbol.

Th Tau being a race of virtual blanks, won't be affected by this brief exposure.

Posting pictures.

>> No.37416260

>>37416209
One BL novel had nobles on a Paradise world hunting poor humans as sport.

>> No.37416295

>>37416232
These are the primary worlds of the Farsight Enclave.

>> No.37416313

>>37416232
Coincidentally, both of those worlds sound like military installations.

>>37416204
I never debated that the Enclave wasn't mixed, I just made a point that it was likely Fire dominated.

>race of blanks

We went over this in the thread earlier, Chaos can affect Tau, it just usually doesn't due to the Tau being boring for it.

However, Farsight? A Tau who is already being more aggressive, eschewing conventional Tau tactics? One who is feeling detached from his Ethereal and might just do his own thing? Even Chaos might find that interesting to play around with.

And hell, in Forty-Kay, all Chaos needs is a brief exposure.

>> No.37416364

>>37416313
>We went over this in the thread earlier, Chaos can affect Tau, it just usually doesn't due to the Tau being boring for it.

Virtual blanks, not actual blanks.

>However, Farsight? A Tau who is already being more aggressive, eschewing conventional Tau tactics? One who is feeling detached from his Ethereal and might just do his own thing? Even Chaos might find that interesting to play around with.

If you read the supplement you would know that Farsight swore that he would defend his people from Chaos and also he tempered the aggression in his heart by becoming a hermit for a period of time.

>Coincidentally, both of those worlds sound like military installations.

The Fire Caste one is, the rest aren't.

>> No.37416388

I could imagine bored Dark Eldars joining the Tau army for some kicks.

>> No.37416394

>>37416364
>And hell, in Forty-Kay, all Chaos needs is a brief exposure.

Forget this one.

Not unless you're a Tau. Tau hide their emotions well and coupled with their almost nonexistent warp presence, makes them hard targets to corrupt.

Source is the Fire Warrior novel.

>> No.37416405

>>37416388

Why? They're already having too much fun kicking their asses and sending their people to haemonculi during "cultural exchanges".

>> No.37416415

>>37416364
I'm sure countless Inquisitors and Space Marines swore to defend people from Chaos as well and nothing went from for them.

>Lub'grahl
>honeycomb tunnels with observatories, research centers,weapons testing vaults, mag-trains, quartermaster nodes and prototype development lab

You can't tell me that shit isn't a military installation.

The air caste world is covered in orbital installations, and for a race of pilots, you can bet your ass that those include shitloads of battle stations.

>> No.37416425

>>37410134

>GGGGOOOOOORRRREEEEEGUUUUUUUUTTTZZZZZ !

>> No.37416448

>>37416405
There are a group of Dark Eldar who are death addicts. They search for the most painful and strange deaths to experience. them.

Dark Eldar have many wired fetishes. Maybe working as mercs for the Tau is that Kabals fetish.

>> No.37416469

>>37416448
I like to picture Dark Eldar and Tau negotiations.

>Let me tell you, Ethereal, you ever tried...raping something?
>It would not be in the interests of the Greater Good
>I remember this one time I raped like...twenty babies...
>...So you wish to discuss trad-
>...WITH SPIKES

>> No.37416502

>>37416448

But the Tau wouldn't offer that. There's like a million and one other factions out there that cause far more death and pain than the Tau ever could. That's why they make fun of them and fuck with them. They're mercs for the Imperium and other strong factions because those guys have perfected death and pain for longer than the Tau have existed.

>> No.37416570

>>37416295
Now I want to know how such a Oceanic Cloud is capable of existing?

>> No.37416581

>>37415911

Nope.

>> No.37416596

>>37416415
>I'm sure countless Inquisitors and Space Marines swore to defend people from Chaos as well and nothing went from for them.

They are humans with shiny souls. They are not Tau. Even then relatively few of them fall.

>You can't tell me that shit isn't a military installation.

That's a normal Earth Caste world. Typical.

Bork'an which is a famous Earth Caste world in the Tau Empire is the same. You know why? Because the Earth Caste loves SCIENCE and making war engines. (picture related).

>The air caste world is covered in orbital installations, and for a race of pilots, you can bet your ass that those include shitloads of battle stations.

They are governed by Air Caste and battle stations and fleets are led by Air Caste Admirals.

>> No.37416633

>>37416570
Super dense core of material that the lighter and more space consuming material of the ocean loosely orbits and surrounds.

>> No.37416670

>They are not Tau
But that doesn't change that saying "Farsight said he wouldn't go to Chaos" means nothing.

Hell, I'm not even saying Farsight sides with Chaos, just that his decisions have a chance of being Chaos influenced.

>>37416596
Typical doesn't mean not military installation.

Now you're just dodging the responses, still a military installation.

>> No.37416700

>>37416633
But how was it even created? Was it natural? Or was it something akin to artificial creation?

>> No.37416737

>>37416700
With how many ancient civilizations that have existed and been annihilated in 40k it is hard to say, but if you did have a core of heavy materials adding water from meteors is pretty easy in grand scheme of things.

>> No.37416751

>>37416670
>Now you're just dodging the responses, still a military installation.

I am not.

I am saying it's a research facility, not a military one. It has more Earth Caste in it than Fire Caste.

>Hell, I'm not even saying Farsight sides with Chaos, just that his decisions have a chance of being Chaos influenced.

And i said that him being Tau nullifies this chance. What spurned him to abandon the Empire is the Ethereals treachery and secrets as stated in the supp,

Also he didn't want to bring back the knowledge of Chaos back to the Empire.

>> No.37416782

>>37416737
That's sweet.

>> No.37416861

>>37416751
So are you trying to imply that research and military never go together or that only the Fire Caste can be military? Because that is the only way that your argument works.

Otherwise, you're dodging the point, it's a military facility and in an amazing turn of events that no one could have ever predicted, that includes military research. A process that the Earth Caste is heavily involved in.

And if we take the claims that Tau follow their Ethereals through thick and thin as truth, then it begs the question as to what force made him start to question said Ethereals.

Like Chaos, remember that Supplementals and other books are open-ended for a reason. While it never straight up says, Farsight might have had a Chaos whisper in his head, the amount of circumstances surrounding him suggest that it is a possibility. And you can't even pull the "but he's a Tau" considering that at this point the dude has deviated so far from how Tau act and behave.

>>37416700
>you will never live on a world where you take an elevator to get to the ocean to swim above the surface.

>> No.37416863

n00b question inbound
is "Cadre" pronounced "Cah-Dray" or "Cay-Durr"

>> No.37416879

>>37416863
Cah-Dray

>> No.37416887

>>37416861
Have to say, now everybody is probably jelly about Farsight having such a planet.

>> No.37416888

>>37416863
serious question btw
>inb4 shitstorm

>> No.37416896

>>37416887
The entire Farsight/Empire war is just about the Tau competing over the sweetest waterparks.

We're done, everybody.

>> No.37416898

>>37416879
ty

>> No.37416957

>>37416896
The whole stuff the Ethereals do is that they can get said planet under their control.

When Shadowsun discovers that they wanted it all this time, then she'll be pissed.

>> No.37416975

>>37416058

>In the moderately boring dim light of the 40th millennium there is only middle class problems

Now that the imperium isn't a grimdark shithole fascist state what's next ? Slaanesh puts condoms all the time and khorne will listen to "come together" while eating turkey for thanks giving ?

>> No.37417035

>>37416861
>So are you trying to imply that research and military never go together or that only the Fire Caste can be military? Because that is the only way that your argument works.

I am saying it's a research facility only and a not a military one. And yes only the Fire Caste can be military. That's 101 Tau.

Also when the world was attacked it relied on outside help to rescue it

862999.M41 - Knights Brought Low

>The military forces of the Farsight Enclaves arrive at the same conclusions as the Tau Empire from which they have seceded. They begin fielding the Riptides that have made their way into their possession alongside their veteran Broadside battlesuit teams. The first opportunity for their deployment in a live-fire situation comes when a Strike Cruiser full of battle-hungry Knights of Blood makes transition from the Warp near the capital world of Lub’grahl. The red and silver-armoured Space Marines launch a terrible purge of the Earth caste scientists that dwell in the planet’s living nodes, killing almost a thousand Tau before Commander Farsight’s fleet appears in low orbit. The vengeance of the battlesuits deployed onto Lub’grahl is measured and logical, but pitilessly effective. Every time the Knights of Blood launch their attacks against the large, obvious targets of the Firebase Support Cadres, they are intercepted before they reach their targets by blistering salvos from Farsight’s hidden Countercrisis Teams. In conjunction with the Broadsides and Riptides of the Support Cadres, Commander Farsight leaves the dusty surface of Lub’grahl littered with the smoking remains of power armoured bodies.

>then it begs the question as to what force made him start to question said Ethereals.

After the events of the Arkunasha war where he witnessed first hand their callousness. The Ethereals do not have full control over the Tau, sometimes the Tau question their judgement.

>> No.37417054

>>37415901

Agriworld are feodal "year of the Lord 857" tier shithole. It is barely better. The rest is Myanmar level of shitholery so not so bad yet not really good.

>> No.37417055

>>37416570
Doubtful without artificial help.
Gravity falls off like R^2 so for the outer layers of water to have a sufficient Vrms to be liquid whilst still being retained by the core you'd need something retardedly dense in the middle. But this adds the problem of greatly increasing the planet's Roche limit rendering liquid moons naturally nigh impossible.

>> No.37417085

>>37417035
>Like Chaos, remember that Supplementals and other books are open-ended for a reason

No, it isn't. You have no proof he is influenced by Chaos. Your speculation =/= reality.

Furthermore, Farsight is not the only Tau to rebel against the Ethereals. So it does not make him unique among the Tau.

>> No.37417227

>>37417035
>Earth Caste builds all the military equipment
>only Fire Caste can be military

Alright, you got me, you joshed me long enough.

>> No.37417510

>>37417227

How someone so retarded when it comes to understanding and reading skills successfully started playing warhammer without fielding pink, butterfly winged, necrons is beyond me.

>> No.37417658

>>37417510
You sound pretty mad, so you fit in well on /tg/.

>> No.37417896

>>37417658

It's my favorite board with /k/ and /jp/. (But only when they talk about lewd things involving cute /jp/sies though)

>> No.37417975

>>37417896
I'll take a picture of My Little Necrons and send it to you.

>> No.37418134

>>37410608
the necrons inertialess drives are no longer ftl.

>> No.37418159

>>37410672
>Unless they can figure out a way to psychically shield people, they're going to have huge problems down the line.
this involves separating them from their souls. its not going to work.

>> No.37418233

>>37418134
I remember the Necrons just have super-speeds or something.

Is that no longer the case?

>> No.37418290

>>37410319
Basically what happened was this.

>Dark Eldar Archon: "Who do we fuck with today!?"
>Spins giant wheel
>"Glorious"
>Destroy world
>Frame the Tau
>watch and giggle

>> No.37418326

>>37415659

> "everything is the Emperor's fault"

It is, though.

If he had just taken each primarch intro his study, sat them down and said "Look, theres this.....thing, or things out there that are literal NIGHTMARE made reality. They can and WILL fuck shit up if my plans dont happen, and if you try to bargain with them, more than likely they will extract your brain through your asshole, and in slaneshes case, will actually have sex with it before putting it back all in the wrong order, so DO NOT try and actually fuck with it.", then maybe he could have avoided a HELL of a lot of bullshit.

Also, during these sit downs, maybe if he had asked each one what their beefs were, what their wishes were, you know, basic father/son shit, some of their resentment towards him may have not manifested as hard as it did (Perturabo being particularly tragic, Kurze being constantly tormented, Sanguiness being so doubtful off himself and his chapter due to his genetic defects...). I believe a lot of this, if it had been done EARLY ON, when they were almost completely enamored with him, then maybe the heresy, which more than likely would have happened ANYWAYS, wouldnt have been as extreme (maybe 3 or 4 primarchs revolting instead of HALF of them.)

>> No.37418359

>>37418233
they get to tunnel through the webway, which pisses the eldar off. inertialess drive lets them ramp up to just under c though.

>> No.37418393

Tau aren't the 'good guys', they just have a different flaw than everyone else. Every race has a flaw which exemplifies them

>Humanity - Fanatacism
>Eldar - Arrogance
>Tyranids - Gluttony
>Chaos - Choose One/All
>Tau - Naive/Self Righteous

Once the Tau are convinced they're morally superior to someone, that's it.
PS: The Tau are always convinced they're morally superior to you.

>> No.37418537

>>37418326
Well, lets look at it

Lorgar was always going to revolt because he needed a god

Angron was always going to revolt because he's all angry, all the time

Mortarion was always going to revolt because he resented the Emperor for pulling him from his people.

Curze was always going to revolt because he was crazy

Alpharius(?) was always going to revolt(?) because 2deep4u(?)

Fulgrim was always going to rebell because he was possessed by a Demon and an Arrogant Prick

He could have reasonably saved MAGNUS and PERTURABO.

>> No.37418593

>>37418537
I thought the Emperor just kill stole Mortarion's dad because Mortarion was dying at the time.

>> No.37418771

>>37418537
Lorgar - Ill give you that, except for one thing. Big E and Rowboat Girlyman destroying Lorgars crowning achievement, AND THEN GLOATING ABOUT IT. Maybe if that hadnt happened, then he may not have had a reason to seek....others to worship.

Angron - If the Big E had just helped angie and his gladiators, old angry puss probably would have gladly fried his brain out fighting FOR the emps, instead of against him. He would have been just as, if not MORE of a loyal killer dog as old "drink fight and fuck" Russ.

Morty - He was fine until tyFUN decided to start whispering in his ear and making batches of super aids and crack infused ebola in his armour.

Kurze - Big E could have done SOMETHING to help him supress his visions as well as basically offer him one on one counseling for his atrocities on his homeworld, you know, shit like "sure, you skinned and gutted that hive gang and decorated that local corrupt magistrates house with their entrails, but come on son, they were a RAPE gang, and the magistrate diddled kids man! sure, you were a bit....excessive, but you still did it in the name of good!"

Alpharius/Omegon - Special case as he was basically discovered by Horus, and also no one knew about the twin, so he was probably a shoe in (even though, its not known he is a double agent anyways.)

Fulgrim - Needed a stern talking to about his vanity, but his best bro Ferrus could could have helped Big E with that, and done it in a more tactful way.

Magnus got shafted.

Pert was haunted by the eye his whole life and relegated to garrison duty, almost like Big E resented him. Also he had to deal with Rogal "my lego is much more pretty than yours" Dorns cattyness as a cherry on top.

>> No.37419420

>>37416425
"I thinks you focus on 'dat titan too much; makes ya blind. Ya should be focusin' on more important things, like winnin'!"

Seriously, green fucker knows what's up.

>> No.37419549

>>37416313
I thought every kill with that blade transferred life to him and increased max age.
If that's the case it could transferring soul power to him.
He could become the god emperor of Ta'u kind If he keeps that up.

>> No.37419790

>>37416145
>>37416145
>you will never be an Female Craftworld Eldar outcast travelling the void, coming up on a human paradise world purely by chance when you brave an unknown webway gate
>You will never perform a cursory scan of the world, discovering wast, glittering beaches with crystal-clear waters and a temperature rivalling a garden world
>you will never make planetfall, avoiding the primitive human scanners as you go
>you will never hide your craft in the deepest of jungles, where the mon-keighs never go, engaging your camouflage field to make sure no one finds your ship
>you will never learn the primitive mon-keigh language by eavesdropping on the populace, hidden in the under-brush
>you will never use your innate psychic powers to make a nearby tree grow incredibly large fruits
>you will never trade these fruits for the primitive mon-keigh currency
>you will purchase a bikini that perfectly accentuates your curves, even though it's just made out of primitive mon-keigh materials
>You will never lounge on the beach, feeling a perverse thrill as you eye the sunbathing mon-keigh's, hiding your ears in your long, raven-black flowing hair
>You will never take a swim in the sparkling ocean, your entire body reeling with the feeling of the perfect water submerging your sensitive Eldar skin
>You will never saunter up to your (by your standards) simple mon-keigh lodgings, content with another day of complete relaxation, just the thing you need after 50 years of studies under an unrelenting teacher in the arts of building structures using only thick wooden sticks.
>you will never take a mon-keigh lover, relishing in the dirty acts even though your mother would disown you if she knew.
>You will never bless isha for every day spent there
>You will never make your way back to your ship some 40 years later
>you will never take off into space, casting forlorn glances back at the blue-green planet as you approach the webway gates

>> No.37421051

>>37415137
Just like real life then, eh ?

>> No.37421100

>>37409986
I do remember that they did. I think they blew it up or something and even Eldrad facepalmed.

>> No.37421122

>>37421051
Indeed. Add to this that it's even harder to discover which individuals are actually genuinely good or truly bad. Well Chaos is blatant in this case, but there are those among them that even did something like trying to redeem themselves. Though these are rarer than STC.

>> No.37423056

>>37414541
I thought the Eldar slapped their shit and stole their tech back.

>> No.37423159

>>37416364
>Farsight swore that he would defend his people from Chaos
>tempered the aggression in his heart by becoming a hermit for a period of time.

Yeah because good guys never turn to Chaos in 40k. They always catch themselves before they go too far.

>> No.37423253

>>37410074

Things like that can be glossed over. A heroic Fire Warrior, in concert with other Tau forces, reaming IG, Marines and CSM is the basic plot.

Imperiboos don't want it to be canon, but it is.

>> No.37423301

>>37417035
>And yes only the Fire Caste can be military

Air caste fly fighters and pilot warships

>> No.37423483

>>37410533
>Volunteer
I don't think you know what that word means

>> No.37423521

>>37423253
So it's canon that a firewarrior could fire a bolter without ripping his arm off?

>> No.37425077

>>37410223
I can never figure out how the Eldar are supposed to be to the Tau seeing as EVERYTHING the Tau have besides psycic technology is objectively better than what the Eldar have.

An obvious example is anti grav technology, in the Cain books they have a Commissar who had witnessed both comparing Tau anti grav tech to the Eldar equivalent and saying that the Tau made the Eldar jetbikes look like they had been cobbled together by Orks in comparison.

>> No.37425224

>>37425077
That's because, even if they hate to admit, the Eldar also only have scraps of what they used to, much like the Imperium. It's just that the scraps they have are still far superior.

>> No.37425319

>>37410657
So America basically.

>> No.37425504

>>37410939
Which serves the Eldar right.

Anyone whos had to deal will DE and lived will probably start shooting the second they run into more pointy eared aliens.

It would be nice if we had more fluff of Eldar trying to convince their attackers that they arent Dark Eldar and the attackers kill them anyways saying 'whats the difference'?

>> No.37425633

>>37423521
Yes.

>> No.37425648

>>37425319

Even America isn't stupid enough to commit genocide.

>> No.37425695

>>37415970

Nam had a clear objective America failed to achieve. Eldar got a settlement wiped and then wiped one in return before they both realized some other guy was at fault.

>> No.37425701

>>37425224
Hating to admit decline is one thing, attempting to gloss over the fact that 1 in 6 shots from a Tau sidearm (pulse pistol) blow fist sized holes in in frontal armor of Falcon Grav tanks.

>> No.37425734

>>37413376

They ally pretty often.

>> No.37425747

>>37423521

Regular humans can do that. The problems with using Astartes scale bolters comes from the size of the weapon, i.e ergonomics, and not from the recoil of the bolt itself. People jury-rig illegal weapons that fire Astartes-scale bolts so that's not where the problem lies.

>> No.37425765

>>37416581
Why isn't there anything about tomb worlds?

>> No.37425773

>>37415993

>40k isn't grimdark you guys!
>Imperium is progressive!

>> No.37425789

>>37425773
>progressive

These xenos are triggering me!

>> No.37425796

>>37425773

What a silly straw-man. Are you pretending to be retarded?

>> No.37425812

>>37425319
Now that I think about it. Tau are actually pretty good analogies to the Americans.

>> No.37425971

>>37418537

Most of them could have been easily placated/helped. Especially Lorgar. You don't smash a tribute someone made for you and then humiliate them for it and get to act surprised she that person turns on you.

>> No.37426065

>>37425796

It's a shit post that tries to pass the grimdark nature of 40k off as "exaggeration". It's not exaggeration for fuck sakes. The imperium is literally a stagnate, industrial bureaucracy gone mad where lives are spent like ammo in complete futility and everyone fanatically worships a corpse god or face the death penalty for heresy. Don't be a retard.

>> No.37426192

>>37426065
These pics get me thinking, as godawful as Imperial life sounds, I have never once seen any kind of of incentive for humans to convert to chaos.

>> No.37426206

>>37425077

>In Cain books...

Silly shit happens. You gonna cite CS Goto's tale of children destroying wave serpents with sticks next?

>> No.37426226

>>37426192

Chaos isn't exactly known about as a thing amongst the general population. Only people of affluence, in the know, cults, military with exposure, etc. It's not common knowledge.

And those who are in a position to know about Chaos WITHOUT hearing it from the whispers of the Dark Gods or being converted by a cultist know that a life devoted to Chaos can potentially be even worse than the shittiest Imperial life.

>> No.37426423

>mfw SJW cunts are pushing for female space marines and for GW to legalize gay marriage in the imperium

>> No.37426541

>>37426423
wait really?

>> No.37426564

>>37426423
I believe you, but I want to see a source. I've heard SJWs bitching about orks being all-male.

>> No.37426565

>>37426541

Yeah totes bro.

>> No.37426568

>>37410642

Etherals are different to regular Tau when it comes to chaos/ warp signature. The deamons on the world where Farsight found the dawnblade targeted the ethereals.

>> No.37426604

>>37426065

There are many depictions of people living in relative comfort on Civilized or even Medieval worlds.

>futility

Yeah, sure is futile to successfully resist the enemies of humankind.

You have such a simplistic, childish view of 40k that I suspect you're underage.

>> No.37426612

>>37426564
>I've heard SJWs bitching about orks being all-male.
Why would you even want female representation among the orks?

>> No.37426917

Why won't GW advance the story so the Tau can get buttraped like the blue commie fags they are

>> No.37426957

>>37426604

>There are many depictions of people living in relative comfort on Civilized or even Medieval worlds.

And yet it is far more often rammed home that the vast majority of humans live short, miserable lives on crapsack worlds.

>Yeah, sure is futile to successfully resist the enemies of humankind.
>successfully

What part of "there is only the laughter of thirsting Gods" did you not understand? Imperium is crumbling on its main front and decaying in every aspect of society. Entropy defines them.

You're so retarded you can't grasp a concept as simple as grimdark and think trying to interpret it as something its not = depth.

>> No.37426975

>>37426917
Why won't GW advance the story so the Imperium can get buttraped like the dung-eating dipshits they are

>> No.37426998

>>37426917
The problem with advancing 40k's plot is that GW has spent so long on the "EVERYTHING IS HOPELESS" shtick that the most logical outcome is that the bad guys win forever.

The best outcome GW could try doing to avoid the plot just being 'Nid death for everyone or something like that is bringing back one of the Primarchs to lead some sort of Imperial Restoration and having the Imperium, some of the Craftworlds, and probably Farsight giving a "let's not shoot each other for now" agreement.

>> No.37427037

>>37426998
>that the most logical outcome is that the bad guys win forever
But the problem with that is since everyone in 40k is a stupid mean selfish asshole the term "bad guy" has no meaning.

>> No.37427046

>>37426975

If you've seen the WHFB rumors you wouldn't want the setting to advance.

>> No.37427051

>>37426975
Fuck off Heretic

>> No.37427060

>>37427037

There are factions in the game that make those mean selfish assholes look like the good guys.

It's like saying because our world is full of people who snatch purses and push old ladies, Hitler isn't worse.

>> No.37427070

>>37426998

A Primarch isn't going to do much. A single anything won't unfuck the Imperium.

>> No.37427084

>>37427070
It's a decent starting point.

>> No.37427119

>>37427051
The Imperium is shit. Accept it, fuccboi. What are you gonna do about it? Post *actions* at me? GO ahead. But you'll know I'm right.

>> No.37427161

>>37415946

Dude

Commander Farsight is using a Khornate that LITERALLY REJUVINATES HIM THE MORE HE KILLS

The Farsight Enclave are mostly all warriors with servants under them

They've painted their armor red, which means much more than "they like the color red." All traitor warbands or traitor guard paint themselves red, as to if to imply they want to be covered in blood.

The Tau may have a minor psychic signature, but it's there. If you inquire a little too much or say Chaos three times or use a chaos-tainted weapon, a daemon will make the extra effort to "reach out to you."

>> No.37427187

>>37427161

Was Farsight's blade revealed in new fluff? They never said it was confirmed Chaotic or Khornate but I haven't read anything from Damocles, only the Farsight Enclave supplement.

>> No.37427212

>>37427070

Guilliman would.

He's the reason the Imperium still exists and managed to hold on for 10,000 years. Without Guilliman the game would just be random xenos skirmishes and Chaos raids after the Horus Heresy ended.

>> No.37427241

>>37427212
Guilliman would probably be the best one to come back just because he seems to be the most effective out of all of the Primarchs at unfucking bureaucracy.

>> No.37427244

>>37427119

I'm going to masturbate to your bitch tears when the imperium wins everything, until you come up to me, slobbering those blueberry Tau tears and begging to get your boipussy fucked.

>> No.37427288

>>37416145

You forgot

>Usually always tainted by Slaanesh

Any of those paradise worlds or any upper-hives are usually teeming with slaanesh cultists

>> No.37427325

>>37427161
>Implying it's chaos and not of Necron origins

>> No.37427328

>>37416232

>Tau are blanks

But that's not true

They have a slight presence in the warp, but its there. Piss off Khorne enough and they'll find a way to turn your Tau warriors into warp portals

Or even better

Possess the battle-suits that they wear, with the pilots inside.

>> No.37427335

>>37427244
>implying I'm even a Tau fan
If the Imperium won even a tenth as much as you think they do there wouldn't even be a story. You gotta take that aquila buttplug out some time.

>> No.37427478

>>37423159

>The "Daemons' are just extra-dimensional xenos!
>Chaos isn't a thing, its all superstition!

later

>LET THE GALAXY BURN!
>I shall use the powers of Chaos to rule man as a new, angry god!

One major person also said he'd never fall, and he took half the Space Marine Legions and accidentally the whole imperium

>> No.37427524

>>37425747

Regular humans use specialized bolters dedicated for the use of lowly mortals. Even then they have to fire them on a single-shot setting, as the recoil is utterly murder even on that.

>> No.37427545

>>37427524
>Even then they have to fire them on a single-shot setting, as the recoil is utterly murder even on that.

Where would you even get that from

>> No.37427563

>>37426065

Does anyone have that picture of someone basically why the Imperium is technologically stagnate and why the Mechanicus does all the things that seem silly?

It went something like

>During the fall, most of a library's computers went to chaos, killed a lot of the librarians and burned the library down
>They manage to rebuild a sizeable amount and recovered some information, but not all
>During the Heresy, the majority of the librarians go to chaos and they steal/trash the cool tech and burn down the library with all the books and computers inside
>and the imperium/mechanicus is basically that one librarian that stayed true and is currently picking through the ash to find one tiny slip of paper to work off of

>> No.37427661

>>37427563
It's on 1d4chan under Mechanicus I believe.

>> No.37427662

>>37427545

Well if you look up the many patterns of bolters that exist in the imperium, there's two things that are universal for the human-marks of boltguns

>XBOXHUEG
>murderous recoil

If firing it on a single-shot setting is going to hurt you, what would do you think would happen if you tried to go full auto?

>> No.37427764

>>37427661

I have it here

>> No.37427802

>>37416295
Those idiots fucked it up
Some faces are pentagonal, some are hexagonal
I expected much better from you Earth Caste

>> No.37427806

>>37427524
>rocket-propelled mini-grenades
>recoil
But don't worry; looking for logic in 40k is like looking for lightbulbs at a farmer's market.

>> No.37427991

>>37427764
Man, this is like the other shit about warp travel raping all the crew forever. Just some fanboy who took the grimderp setting way too seriously.

>> No.37427996

>>37427806

By that logic, you just should be able to rapidly hip-fire anti-tank rockets without worrying about getting injured.

>> No.37428036

>>37427991

No, if you read Mechancium and any books that so much as references the Mechanicus in its efforts to find STC's, you'd know this to be true

Any advancement they have are merely different versions of shit on the same chasis, more efficient versions of existing tech, or STC's they found over the period of 10k years.

>> No.37428083

>>37427991

If that's true, then the Mechanicus shouldn't be giving a shit about the Ark Mechanicus ships flying around.

Because they have all the tech they need and any can use their freetime, that they're not using the support their war-efforts, to advance right?

>> No.37428087

>>37427161
You're a moron.

The Sword steals lifespans of its victims. It's clearly techno-stuff.

>The Farsight Enclave are mostly all warriors with servants under them

No, the other castes are equals not servants.

>They've painted their armor red, which means much more than "they like the color red." All traitor warbands or traitor guard paint themselves red, as to if to imply they want to be covered in blood.

You're twice the moron.

The Enclave painted their armor red to honor the fallen of the Arkunasha war. Arkunasha was a red planet covered in red rusty wastes.

>The Tau may have a minor psychic signature, but it's there. If you inquire a little too much or say Chaos three times or use a chaos-tainted weapon, a daemon will make the extra effort to "reach out to you."

As shown in Fire Warrior, even the extra effort of a daemon proved ineffective in corrupting a Tau.

>> No.37428258

>>37427478

He also wasn't a soulless blue bird people. On a side note.

>> No.37428260

>>37427662
Bolters are a semi-auto thing though, apart from heavy bolters that is. Full-auto-spitting-casings mode is just Rule of Cool in art

>> No.37428288

>>37427996

One day /k/ will fund and buy such a thing.

>> No.37428366

>>37428260

Rule of cool = literal rule in the warhammer setting. Are you new to this or what ?

>> No.37428389

>>37417054
That's feudal worlds you dingus. Agriworlds are planet sized farms.

>> No.37428410

>>37428366
There is still a line of distinction made between the actual ruleof cool events happening, and the ultimate rule of cool grand wall paintings that depict space marines standing on top of eachother in a pile shooting bolters at each other from three meters.

>> No.37428411

>>37428087

>All castes are equals

Which is why the Fire Castes in the Enclave get first say in what happens, right?

>Theyre just honoring a war!

The World Eaters "honored" their Primarch, Angron, by fucking up their brains with the Butcher's Nails.

>Tau are incorruptible!

First off, that's bullshit. He full on went on a khornate bezerker spree before the daemon finally left. If you are possessed even for a second by a daemon, you are vulnerable to future possessions by daemons. There was a very good reason why the Emperor proceeded to kill Horus even though he had expelled the Dark Gods' influence over his favored son.

Nay, The Tau aren't this snowflake fucking rage that's immune to the temptations of Chaos. Chaos doesn't make the effort to taint the Tau because

>Their souls aren't worth it yet, too small
>Haven't been made the mortals enemies of the Chaos Gods like Humanity or the Eldar has

And even then, the forces of chaos have shown an exceptional interest in the Ethereal's, beings with probably as much psychic influence as an imperial psyker, judging by their ability to mindcontrol the masses. It's only a matter of time before you piss off the wrong God and your ethereal gets taited; if that happens, you can bet your ass that all those who follow him will fall as well.

Look at the Primarchs if you doubt that logic.

>> No.37428430

>>37428260

Bolters are definitely automatic or at least burst fire. They might have select fire.

>> No.37428482

>>37428258

But that's not true either

Tau do have souls

But their essentials aren't as..delicious as a Human's and essentially not as much as an Eldar's soul.

Think of it like this in terms of daemonic interest

Eldar>Humanity>Tau

Beef willington>hamburger>licorice

>> No.37428784

>>37425077
>made the Eldar jetbikes look like they had been cobbled together by Orks in comparison.
B-but muh 36" Turbo boost...

>> No.37429248

>>37428411
Ethereals aren't psychic. They're unaffected by Pariahs and other anti-psychic measures, and they don't have the Psyker special rule.

It's all-natural, baby.

>> No.37430285

>>37427241

>Roboute ""the codex astartes doesn't support that"Guilliman
>most effective out of all of the Primarchs at unfucking bureaucracy

My fucking sides are lost in the warp.

>> No.37430392

>>37425747
Yeah but
1)Regular humans use regular human bolters. Not Space Marine Bolters

2)Regular humans are stronger than Tau physically. Not by much, but enough to where I queustion the ability of a firewarrior to use a Space Marine Bolter without even flinching at the recoil.

>> No.37430399

remove tau

REMOVE TAU

>> No.37430452

>>37430285
>he doesn't even know how Guilliman regarded his codex
>he doesn't even know Guilliman's primarch trait specialty

Don't post if you don't know your fluff, 40kid.

>> No.37430481

>>37430452

Guilliman was the biggest bureaucrat out of all the primarchs. That was his fucking whole point. He was the guy who was more into politics and laying out laws and shit than any other primarch. Read the fluff, you ignorant, meme spewing animal.

>> No.37430509

>>37430399
Care to add to that or...?

>> No.37430538 [SPOILER] 

Yes, there have been bad relations, but this is only a passing stage. I think we can all agree that Tau and Eldar can agree to put aside their differences over a mountain of human corpses and the flaming wreck that is the Imperium's death rattle for the greater good.

>> No.37430668

>>37430538
Yep.

>> No.37430958

>>37428411
>Which is why the Fire Castes in the Enclave get first say in what happens, right?

They don't.

It's a democracy.

>The World Eaters "honored" their Primarch, Angron, by fucking up their brains with the Butcher's Nails.

More Irrelevant stupidity from you.

>First off, that's bullshit. He full on went on a khornate bezerker spree before the daemon finally left. If you are possessed even for a second by a daemon, you are vulnerable to future possessions by daemons. There was a very good reason why the Emperor proceeded to kill Horus even though he had expelled the Dark Gods' influence over his favored son.

What are you talking about?

>Nay, The Tau aren't this snowflake fucking rage that's immune to the temptations of Chaos. Chaos doesn't make the effort to taint the Tau because

They are immune but they are resistant to it.

>And even then, the forces of chaos have shown an exceptional interest in the Ethereal's, beings with probably as much psychic influence as an imperial psyker, judging by their ability to mindcontrol the masses. It's only a matter of time before you piss off the wrong God and your ethereal gets taited; if that happens, you can bet your ass that all those who follow him will fall as well.

Ethereals are Extremely hard to corrupt as shown in the Fire Warrior novel.

>> No.37431004

>>37430958
>It's a democracy

And orks are simply misunderstood.

>> No.37431025

>>37430958

>one ethereal =all tau/ethereals

Nope. That's like judging chaos's ability to tempt humanity by pointing to the Emperor and his inability to be corrupted.

>> No.37431058

>>37431004

>he doesn't think orks really are misunderstood and that they aren't easily the most successful faction in the entire galaxy

>> No.37431098

>>37431004
But its true though. The Democracy bit.

>>37431025
There is nothing unique or snowflaky about the Ethereal. For all you know, he is a typical member of his caste.

Also there is the subject of Kais who purified himself from the Chaos taint in the end of the novel by force of will.

>> No.37431116

>>37431098
You can call it a tea pastry and it will hold as much weight.

Just calling it a democracy doesn't instantly mean everyone has an equal stance.

>> No.37431164

>>37431058
Now when did I say that?

>> No.37431226

>>37431116
Every Tau has a equal status in the Tau Empire. This is something that all Tau believe in. With the exception of the Ethereals who are the first among equals.

Since there are Ethereals permitted in Farsight Enclave. The Enclave Tau are truly equalists.

>> No.37431256

>>37431226
No Ethereals*

>> No.37431257

>>37430481
>Who do we send to unfuck the ultimate byzantine bureaucracy?
>CERTAINLY not the best bureaucrat that ever lived!

Are you really this stupid? We're talking about a guy that instinctively grasps org charts so convoluted that they look like something Lovecraft dreamed up. The Thousand Worlds of Ultramar were only outdone by the rest of the Imperium on scale, and made the rest of the place look like a slum... during the Great Crusade, when Emps was at the height of his power. This is EXACTLY the guy you want picking apart and streamlining the biggest bureaucratic clusterfuck ever created in the history of ever.

But you probably think Leman "TLDR" Russ could fix things by just telling all those nerds to stuff it and pounding a brewski, so I don't know why I'm even bothering.

>> No.37431278

>>37431226

>Since there are Ethereals permitted in Farsight Enclave.


Says right there that only one Ethereal is even permitted there and that all castes are welcome EXCEPT ethereals. Everyone's welcome with the exception of them and that one guy.

>> No.37431306

>>37431226
Each one overseen by Farsight's allies. Sounds like a puppet state to me.

The castes get to play pretend but the moment something goes sour, he and his Fire caste is stepping in.

>> No.37431325

>>37431278
I meant no Ethereals are allowed. It was a typo.

Aun'shi hasn't reached the Enclave yet since he is currently a prisoner in the Dark City. Once he arrives there and we know why they allowed him inside, I would consider him an exception.

>> No.37431341

>>37431257

I'm saying that you can't take a bureaucrat and expect them to make LESS bureacracy. Granted, he's a primarch so he'd do a lot better than most other people, but that doesn't mean he'd streamline things. He's known for controversial actions like the codex astartes and nearly starting another civil war with how pushy he was with shit and being unable to admit when he's wrong.

I know you love that smurf dick, I get it, but papa smurf isn't as great as your ultramarine codex says he is, buddy. So, wipe up that jizz around your mouth and actually read the fluff sometime.

>> No.37431370

>>37430481

You're fucking retarded if you think Guilliman would make the Imperium worse.

He's the one who made it as good as it could be without the Emperor off the throne. The reason the Imperium sucks is because it's been 10,000 years WITHOUT Guilliman.

The fact that you claim his codex is a reason he would suck at helping the Imperium shows how stupid you are. Without the codex, the chapters wouldn't even have survived for 10,000 years and the Badab War would just have been the Horus Heresy 2.0 and destroyed the Imperium entirely, just like the Horus Heresy did.

>> No.37431371

>>37431306
Among Farsight's old allies is a close earth caste scientist. He oversees the earth caste world.

Also Farsight has no role in governing the Enclave. He spent most of his time in a hermitage or commanding the armies. He is more of a figurehead.

>> No.37431408

>>37431341

Stop telling people to read the fluff when you don't even know it, faggot. Guilliman was the master of logistics. That's the Imperium's biggest problem right now. Why is the bureaucracy so shit? Because it slows down the logistics of front-line resupply and calls for aid.

It's like you never even watched the first Futurama movie.

>> No.37431410

>>37431306

That's exactly what it is

It's kinda like that scene in Jack of All Trades where everytime you see a massive parade, there's a line of soldiers hunched down behind the people with guns to their backs.

Once you're possessed and you shake it off, you basically begin walking around with a sign on your back saying, "POSSESS ME." For a follower of chaos this may not be a big deal, but the Imperium will blow your off for this because there's a big chance at at some in-opportune time, you'll be possessed again.

I heavily doubt are very much different. Despite whatever fanwankery there is, you cannot overcome the long-term effects of chaos, your mind cannot be consumed by the warp and still be normal even after the effects have seemingly dis-abated
.

>> No.37431440

>>37431410

>I doubt the tau are any different*

>> No.37431449

>>37431341
>read the fluff sometimes

How about you stop reading BL and start reading some actual HH fluff from FW.

Bringing Guilliman's personality into the equation is stupid as fuck. Who is he going to talk to, every single human bureaucrat in the Imperium? The fact that he's a Primarch and FOUNDER OF THE CURRENT IMPERIUM already lets him do whatever he wants.

>> No.37431469

>>37431410
It isn't.

>Once you're possessed and you shake it off, you basically begin walking around with a sign on your back saying,

Who the fuck are you talking about?

Farsight? He wasn't possessed.

>> No.37431480

>>37426564

they are not male. they are plants.

>> No.37431498

>>37431449

Actually Guilliman was quite efficient in terms of beaucracy and logistics, that was his Schick as one of the primarchs.

Magnus was the pysker
Peuterabo was the siege-breaker
Dorn could lay seige
Girlyman could manage logistics

>> No.37431519

>>37431469

I'm talking about the Firewarrior that was possesed in the novel.

Also, you seem very mad right now. Is it because your mary-sues aren't quite as noblebright as you hoped?

>> No.37431532

>>37431519

It's probably because BLfags universally piss people off with how stupid they are.

>> No.37431535

>>37431408
Actually, if the legions were still a thing, threats like the Tyranids and Black Crusades would have been easily brushed aside. Girlyman hurt the Imperium much by fracturing the legions in disorganized chapters.

>> No.37431557

>>37431535

Well at the time, it seemed like a great idea and it still does.

Chapters fall all the time to chaos; if that can happen still, whose to say any legion or two or three don't accidentally the imperium?

>> No.37431558

>>37431519
I am mad because people keep getting things wrong. I am mad because I am arguing with people who haven't read the source materials,

For example, Kais, the Tau from the novel, wasn't possessed.

>> No.37431571

>>37431535

Don't bother trying to reason with it. It'll just go "muh 40kid forced meme" and say to read the fluff that's really headcanon of his own making because he's never read a codex ever.

>> No.37431577

>>37431535
>Tyranids
>didn't even know about that shit till 9,900 years later
>Black Crusades
>also didn't happen en masse till thousands of years later

Sorry Guilliman didn't write his shit while knowing the future 10,000 years later. And yet the book still worked for that long, even while people used it wrong and treated it as a bible instead of a field manual.

Imagine that.

>> No.37431603

>>37431571

It's so easy to identify you it's hilarious. Everyone else in the thread will know what I'm talking about.

Stop telling people to read the fluff, and READ IT YOURSELF. The Imperium can only improve if Guilliman woke up and advised/abolished the High Lords of Terra which HE HIMSELF CREATED TO BEGIN WITH.

>> No.37431623

>thinks the codex astartes hurt the imperium more than it helped
>thinks Guilliman wouldn't improve the imperium
>tells people they don't know the fluff

What the actual fuck. This is what happens when you let the BL cancer spread. Stomp that shit out immediately, and with the force of a thousand sons on sight. Don't let this shit take root and spread.

>> No.37431659

Are you guys unaware that Guilliman was the one who founded/rebuilt/held together the Imperium of Man?

If the IoM is lagging, it's because its builder(s) are gone. How can them coming back be bad?

Saying Guilliman's return wouldn't help is like saying the Emperor's return wouldn't help. That's literally how stupid you are to say that.

>> No.37431667

>>37431603

Actually, the Emperor set up the high lords and it caused some resentment from the primarchs because it was allowing more fallible humans to run the imperium.

But let's assume you were correct and every bit of fluff didn't disagree with you. You admit he made the high lords, the biggest group of corrupt pricks who ruin the imperium daily, and somehow the guy who made such an incompetent and harmful group is gonna make anything better?

You must be baiting, no human can be this stupid and still be able to even form coherent sentences. Ya had me going for a minute, chief, but your ruse has been seen through.

>> No.37431687

>>37431667

Following the calamities of the Horus Heresy, the Emperor was interred upon the Golden Throne and could no longer rule his realm directly. Several legends tell of the Emperor's last words, spoken as he was attached into the vast machinery that would allow his mind to live on. Full of foresight beyond mortal men, the Emperor's final instructions were for the rule of Mankind's galaxy-wide kingdom. In that time of great change, Malcador too was now gone, and it had been he who had proven best able to enact the Emperor's vision. Now that role, and the leadership for the coming reformation, fell upon Roboute Guilliman, the great Primarch of the Ultramarines. It was he who set up the new ruling body, the Senatorum Imperialis, or as it is more commonly known now, the High Lords of Terra. It was their duty to interpret the will of the Emperor and, in his stead, to command the Imperium. The number of this ruling council was set at 12, with Roboute Guilliman himself taking a seat under the title of Lord Commander of the Imperium, the old term Warmaster having fallen out of favour for obvious reasons.

>> No.37431700

>>37431667

Stop using BL as your source, faggot.

>> No.37431709

>>37431623
Did someone call for the Thousand Sons?

>> No.37431747

>>37431687
>>37431700

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/High_Lords_of_Terra#History

Read the fluff. Stop being retarded faggots and fucking READ, you illiterate chimp fucks. How can you all be this fucking ignorant of a hobby and lore you're supposedly interested in?

Go back to /b/ where you belong, swine.

>> No.37431750

>>37431687
Source of the paragraph?

>> No.37431767

>>37431558

If Kais wasn't possessed by a daemon of Khorne, then he was aided heavily by one. The bastard even yelled "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" before unsuccessfully attempting to beat a daemon to death with his bare hands.

He nearly succumbs to influences from both nurgle and slaanesh; not to mention he ends up in a fucking mental hospital after the battle.

Clear case of either direct possession by a Khornate daemon or assistance by the powers of chaos undivided (except for Tzeentch)

>> No.37431773

>>37431747

Following the Horus Heresy, the High Lords of Terra succeeded the Council of Terra as the main executive body of the Imperium as the beginning of the reformations initiated by Primarch Roboute Guilliman, who joined the Council as Lord Commander of the Imperium, commanding the entirety of the Imperial armed forces[2].

What the fuck? The thing you listed proves you WRONG, dipshit.

>> No.37431788

>>37431709

Leave this place.

>> No.37431803

>>37431747
>claims the Emperor made the high lords
>claims Guilliman didn't
>links something that says that Guilliman started the High Lords

>> No.37431811

>>37431773

>The original High Lords were known as the Council of Terra. These consisted of key individuals to the Emperor's rule and was originally staffed by the Fabricator-General of the Adeptus Mechanicus, the Paternova of the Navis Nobilite, and Malcador the Sigillite. Military matters were outside of the jurisdiction of this council, instead vested in Warmaster Horus.[17]

The high lords existed long before the horus heresy and was made by the emperor. By the time Roboute tried to reform it, Malcador and others who were on the council were dead, but the high lords distinctly have origins dating back to the Emperor who founded it.

Or are you now trying to say Malcador lived past the Horus Heresy and that the fluff is wrong?

>> No.37431822

>>37431811
His lips terrify me.

>> No.37431835

>>37431811

Try reading the rest of the page, you dipshit. You know, the thing that was quoted directly to you.

The Emperor's council was replaced by Guilliman's high lords.

>> No.37431837

>>37428410

Nope, that's exactly what happens in the game. Do you even play/read it?

>> No.37431851

>>37431811

This discussion is about the M41 high lords and M41 bureaucracy. You know, the high lords that Guilliman created. Hurrrrr.

>> No.37431871

>>37431767
>If Kais wasn't possessed by a daemon of Khorne, then he was aided heavily by one.

He was aided by the Tzeentchian daemon who did nothing but whisper to him.

>The bastard even yelled "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" before unsuccessfully attempting to beat a daemon to death with his bare hands.

Because at that time the Tzeentchian daemon begged Khorne for help against Kais. Khorne transformed the daemon into a Bloodthirster-like creature. The daemon then used his rage aura to infect Kais to lure him out from hiding.

After a few minutes when Kais resolved his daddy issues, he purified himself from the daemon aura and became immune to it.

>Clear case of either direct possession by a Khornate daemon or assistance by the powers of chaos undivided (except for Tzeentch)

He was goaded on by a Tzeentchin daemon and the daemon only managed to do this to Kais because Kais daddy issues made him vulnerable to the daemons whispers.

>He nearly succumbs to influences from both nurgle and slaanesh;

No, it didn't happen.

>not to mention he ends up in a fucking mental hospital after the battle.

it was his first day on the job and he was forced to fight for days unstop against super soldiers and all manner of horrors. Also he witnessed the death of the beloved ethereal.

All of this is enough to send any to a mental hospital.

>> No.37431879

>>37431835

They weren't "replaced". They were simply reformed by Guilliman. They were "replaced" as much as the Space Marines were, that is to say they weren't. He just changed some things and made reforms. Making reforms doesn't mean he made the fucking council, the Emperor did.

Your head is so far up your own fucking ass that you're now literally mistaking your headcanon as the true fluff. Could you be sucking smurf cock any more than you are already?

>> No.37431904

>>37431871
nonstop*

>> No.37431961

>>37410407

>space marines actually vary a lot chapter to chapter. many are not crazed kill everything fanatics, and are more just guardians of their species

>Only a tiny % of necron do the whole flesh thing, the insane ones that even other necron are creeped out by. they mostly keep to themselves in general.

>Tyranids kill as a byproduct. all they really want to do is absorb more organic matter. just happens that most organic matter is contained in other beings.


>Tau are arguably only "friendly" due to control by their ruling caste. they used to be as warlike as everyone else. Also while they're more peaceful about it, they're still all about hedgemony

>> No.37431982

>>37431871

Let me get this straight

The Tau-equivalent of an Imperial Guardsman goes on a killing spree, racks up a higher kill-count than Captain Titus, and when he fights a Daemon his visions goes red, shouts BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, has touched by Slaanesh and Tzeentch, and he isn't tainted? Especially when his mental state is in such a state of disreapair as to suggest that he suffered chaotic mindfuckery? And he's NOT TAINTED BY CHAOS?

>> No.37431986

>>37431879

M41 space marines certainly are different from M31 legionnaires. To say that Guilliman invented space marine chapters and the current high lord while the Emperor invented astartes, legions, and the council is not wrong.

Even assuming you're "right" you didn't win any argument, because this is a tangent YOU brought up to begin with that is entirely irrelevant to the original argument, which is also dumb.

>> No.37432020

>>37431879
>headcanon

Keep saying that, nobody's been saying anything that hasn't been shit you yourself provided.

One source says Guilliman "set up" the current council and the other one, which YOU LINKED, says

>It was [Guilliman] who set up the new ruling body, the Senatorum Imperialis, or as it is more commonly known now, the High Lords of Terra.

>> No.37432021

>>37431871

>After a few minutes when Kais resolved his daddy issues, he purifies himself from the daemon...

Sorry m8, but that never, ever happens.

The trick is to not get infected in the first place; one you're infected, your done and you're little more than slavering bezerker.

This is just an attempt by a Tauaboo to explain away his mary sue characters.

>> No.37432038

>>37431982

He's a Tau player. What did you expect? His pure Tau waifus and mecha are always pure and good no matter what they do.

>> No.37432050

>>37431982
>>37432021

You're arguing with TIDF/Carnac. Don't.

>> No.37432052

>>37431982
>The Tau-equivalent of an Imperial Guardsman goes on a killing spree, racks up a higher kill-count than Captain

If he read the novel, then you would know that Kais mostly lucked it out. If the Daemon didn't encourage Kais to continue with his whispers, Kais would have laid down from exhaustion and died in the first hours.

>when he fights a Daemon his visions goes red, shouts BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, has touched by Slaanesh and Tzeentch, and he isn't tainted?

The only taint Kais suffered was a Khornate one in the final fight. He purged it out of himself with the sheer willpower.

>''The daemonlord sensed something was wrong. The bloodlust it had gifted to the tau creature was waning. It evaporated like water, unclouding the tiny morsel’s mind and leaving it cold and sharp: a dagger of focus that no amount of insidious corruption could ever penetrate''

>''It didn’t matter. A pure tau died just as easily as a tainted one''

>Especially when his mental state is in such a state of disreapair as to suggest that he suffered chaotic mindfuckery? And he's NOT TAINTED BY CHAOS?

He is suffering from PTSD and nothing more.

He thinks he is dead.

>> No.37432068

>>37431879
>keeps telling people to read
>doesn't even know how to read the examples he cites

I chortled.

>> No.37432090

>>37432021
Nope, I will post this again.

>''The daemonlord sensed something was wrong. The bloodlust it had gifted to the tau creature was waning. It evaporated like water, unclouding the tiny morsel’s mind and leaving it cold and sharp: a dagger of focus that no amount of insidious corruption could ever penetrate''

>''It didn’t matter. A pure tau died just as easily as a tainted one''

Deal with it.

Kais rose above Chaos.

>> No.37432120

>>37432090

Yeah, and a human totally can't resist chaos either. Only the noble and perfect Tau and their giant mecha could ever resist the temptations of chaos. That's why every human follows chaos and nobody ever fights it, because it's simply too tempting.

>> No.37432147

>>37432038
Never claim that.

But I am posting things from the novel and correcting to you guys. The dude was posting erroneous stuff. What I am suppose to do let him get away with it?

You Imperialfags went batshit when one anon talked ''nonsense'' about Girlymen and went out of your way to correct him and somehow I am not allowed to do the same for my Waifus? You hypocritical bastards ALL OF YOU!

>> No.37432193

>>37432052
>>37432090

>With willpower he cast out the evil influences of chaos after he has a near-possession experience!

That's bullshit, I'm going to be upfront with you.

No amount of willpower can cleanse your soul of the taint that chaotic influences put upon. It NEVER GOES AWAY.

Why do you the Big E killed Horus even after he drove the the dark influences away from his soul?

>> No.37432209

>>37432147

>I'm not allowed to do the same for my waifus? You hypocritical bastards ALL OF YOU!

Chris-chan is that you?

Also, anyone have a picture of what a "tau waifu" actually looks like?

>> No.37432241

>>37432193
Because he's a horrible person?

And you can bitch all you want, but it's there in black and white. It's canon, mate. Be as assmad as you want, doesn't change it.

>> No.37432249

>>37432209

>> No.37432268

>>37432193
In the case of Kais it did. The Great Daemon saw his corruption drain away from Kais. Kais became so pure and focused that the corruption of daemon no longer found purchase in his mind.

>Why do you the Big E killed Horus even after he drove the the dark influences away from his soul?

Affected by daemonic auras =/= having the four powers digging into your souls.

Degrees of corruption, anon. Horus was at the point of no return.

>> No.37432273

>>37432241

No, Emperor didn't kill him because he was "horrible," he was on death's door because he didn't want to have to hurt Horus.

>Driven by all the force of his rage and pain and hatred the Emperor wills Horus's death. He senses the forces of Chaos retreat, disengaging themselves from their pawn. As they do so sanity returns to the Warmaster. The Emperor sees realisation of the atrocities he has committed flicker across Horus' face. Tears glisten there.

Horus is free but the Emperor knows he himself is dying and that the Powers of Chaos may once again possess the Warmaster and he will not be there to stop them. He cannot take that risk. Horus must die. Yet for a second, looking into his old friends face, he hesitates, unable to do the deed. Then he thinks of the slaughter that still goes on outside, may go on forever. Resolve hardens within him.

He forces all mercy and compassion from his mind, empties it of all knowledge of friendship and coimraderie and love. His eyes lock with Horus and see understanding there. Then with full cold knowledge of what he is doing the Emperor destroys the Warmaster.

>> No.37432319

>>37432268

Being affected by daemonic auras is the same thing as having a daemon delve into you mind; except with outright possession.

Imagine if you will; that someone goes and kicks in your door and you can never repair the door. To be sure the door will probably will probably still be closed, but it'll be NEVER as secured as it was before and the ease of which someone can kick it in again (possess your again or influence your throughts) is much easier.

Alas, the moment your thoughts are affected by chaos is when your soul is truly lost. It's a slippery slope that you can never climb out of.

>> No.37432332

>>37432273
Yeah, nah, your husbando a shit. Sorry about that. He's a fucking garbage individual.

You're also being racist in the most amusing of ways. Assuming because it's true for humans it HAS to be true for everyone else. You're wrong. Sorry about that.

>> No.37432357

>>37432319
Black and white, once again, wrong. You're wrong. We've proven that, several times. Why is this so hard for you?

>> No.37432399

>>37432147
Dude, are you guy who got platinum mad earlier because you thought engineers weren't part of the military or something?

You still going at it?

>> No.37432410

>>37432332

So Human falls to chaotic influences and falls to chaos

An Eldar falls to their influences and falls to chaos

The Laer fall to Slaanesh's influences and fall to her

Hell, Orkz can fall to Khorne if you play your cards (its old lore though)

But you want me to believe that the Tau are a special race that can undergo chaotic influences in their minds but still come out pure?

>> No.37432436

>>37432319
Space Marines, Imperial guard, Inquisitors were shown to be affected and influenced by daemonic auras in the fluff. Many walked away from it fine.

For example, the Blood Angels were affected by Skarbrand's and Doombreed's daemonic auras of rage. They rose above it and smacked the daemons back to the Warp. The affects of the rage disappeared once the daemons were banished. Are the Blood Angels corrupted, anon?

>> No.37432458

>>37432357

What?

There's very few times where someone just FALLS immediately to chaos.

Auras, disilliusionment, altered perceptions, voices to make you hate others, voices that jerk off your sense of pride, and finally possession all fall into the realm of causing someone to fall to chaos.

Rais EXPERIENCED ALL THESE THINGS, and he's not corrupted?

>> No.37432466

>>37432436
Not that anon, but the Blood Angels kinda are...the Red Thirst and Black Rage have stuck around.

It's not outright Khorne, but it ain't great.

>> No.37432479

>>37432399
Earth caste are civilians structures and that planet is earth caste planet is mostly made up civilian populace.

Just because it has a weapons lab or two doesn't make it a military planet.

>> No.37432499

>>37432436

Depends on who you ask.

The presence of Sanquinor

The Black Rage/Red Thirst

The incident where a blood angel thought he was sanguinious and led a portion of the chapter against the other

Many members of the Inquisition do infact argue that the Blood Angels are tainted.


Why do you think the Inquisition purges Imperial Guard regiments after engagements with chaos forces regularly?

>> No.37432514

>>37432479

>Sure the planet is covered with weapon labs and orbital battle stations, but it isnt military I swear!

>> No.37432523

>>37432410
>An Eldar falls to their influences and falls to chaos

There are stories where Eldar are affected by Slaaneshi influences and then shaking it off. Eldar.

Orks because of their mindset brush aside Chaos influences and pay no attention them Most the time.

Trained humans can do the same.

It's all about mental and willpower.

>> No.37432527

>>37432479
>weapons lab or two
>description you link talks about shitloads of weapons labs and military research faciilites with large graveyards for military men being the surface's biggest deal
>not a military minded planet

Shit nigga.

>> No.37432538

>>37432523

Yeah, those are usually high-level pyskers with intense amounts of training and even cybernetic implants to help them not experience the influences of chaos.

They FEEL it, but they dont ACT on it. There is a critical difference.

>> No.37432544

>>37425319
That also explains why people defend them when they continually do horrible things.

>> No.37432555

>>37432514
It's covered with research labs of all types.

And It doesn't have orbital battles stations or else the Blood Knights wouldn't have had an easy time invading the world from orbit.

>> No.37432594

>>37432527
Research facilities, observatories, and Earth caste living quarters. All sort of the things.

> large graveyards for military men being the surface's biggest deal

It was built in honour of the three EARTH CASTE dudes who sacrificed themselves to poison the Nids when they invaded the planet.

>> No.37432595

>>37432523

Actually in an old codex there was a Ork klan that had fallen to Khorne

>> No.37432615

>>37427241
>>37427212
You think the guy that greatly reduced the effectiveness of Space Marines and thus the Imperium could unfuck it?
Lemun Russ could do a better job.
The best living Primarch that could come back would be Vulcan.
However if Sanguinus was not dead he would have had a huge impact.

>> No.37432622

>>37432595
I said most of the time Orks don't buy into Chaos.

>> No.37432651

>>37432615

Actually, if you could get all the surviving/healing primarchs to come back you'd really benefit

>> No.37432742

>>37432594
>not a cycle goes by in which they don't add to the facilities, filling its honeycomb tunnels with observatories, research centres, weapons testing vaults, mag-trains, quartermaster nodes and prototype development labs. On Lub'grahl's surface however, the polar caps are puncuated only by hundreds of thousands of clean white ovals, each a memorial to one of the warriors lost under Farsight's command

Reposting so no one else gets rused by this ruse-rustler

>> No.37432765

>>37432615
>reduced the effectiveness

Oh dude, I read that 1d4chan article as well.

I mean, massive legions that would toss huge amounts of manpower at issues trivial for it are way more effective at solving the myriad of problems the Imperium has than smaller strike forces dedicated to surgical strikes for clean-up.

You got Guilliman there, anon!

>> No.37432792

>>37432742
As I said before, it's a typical of all Earth Caste worlds in the Tau Empire. They have research facilities of all kinds INCLUDING militarily ones.

And as I said the memorial was built to honor the three Earth caste and fire warriors who died defending the planet from the Tyranid invasion.

>> No.37432805

>>37432651
>Actually, if you could get all the surviving/healing primarchs to come back you'd really benefit
Obviously.

>> No.37432807

>>37432792
You're trying too hard.

>> No.37432850

>>37432765
>I mean, massive legions that would toss huge amounts of manpower at issues trivial for it are way more effective at solving the myriad of problems the Imperium has than smaller strike forces dedicated to surgical strikes for clean-up.
That is true for the lesser issues.
However when a Hive fleet shows up they basically need to organise a crusade to cleanse it with acceptable losses.
A legion would be able to handle such issues.

>> No.37432856

>>37432792

>Military Engineers
>Not apart of the military

>> No.37432861

>>37432807
Hard?

I am responding to your posts. You have nothing to prove that this is a military facility. It's a research center and home of the civilian earth caste population that relies on its nearby planets to defend it.

I explained it a dozen times and If not my fault that you don't like the answer.

>> No.37432876

>>37432856
A part of the population works on weapon creating and testing. It doesn't make the whole planet a military one. The Planet is created for SCIENCE in all its forms.

>> No.37432907

>>37432876

>Creating weapons for the military
>still not a military world

nigga wat

>> No.37432947

>>37432861
>tests shitloads of military weapons
>has military memorials as it's biggest surface feature
>all the labs are described as military
>not a military dedicated place

You just don't stop!

>> No.37432968

>>37432907
Yep, part of it creates weapons of the Tau the rest is the dwelling of the Earth caste and their other research . Also you implied that the world is some fortress garrison or something like that in your earlier posts. It is clearly not.

Another thing, the memorial isn't proof it's a world with a ''military mind'' (picture related). It's a memorial for the guys who died defending it.

>> No.37432976

>>37432850
So what you're telling me is that the Chapter system works for both lesser(as in issues that happen constantly and are a real problem) and larger issues because you can bring chapters together?

So really, what you're saying is that the Imperium has every reason to have chapters and no reason to have legions now that it's focused on holding territory rather than taking it.

Thanks!

>> No.37432990

>>37432947
>>has military memorials as it's biggest surface feature

Understand the context behind them.

>>not a military dedicated place

It isn't.

It's a scientific and research center.

>> No.37433032

>>37432990
>context
>war

>scientific and research center
>all the books you hold up talk about is military research centers

Maybe your problem is that you have a limited view of what constitutes as military? First it was military research, then it was military engineers, at one point you implied that somehow the entire Tau navy didn't count because they weren't Fire Caste.

I know you're either one of the best rusers I've seen on /tg/ in a while or just that autistic, but I like to keep responding because it keeps you going.

And boy do you go.

>> No.37433102

>>37433032
And you think the military includes all aspects of the nation. A whole planet isn't a military just because it has some military facilities doesn't make the planet wholly a military one.

It's no more militarily than Water Caste one which houses the intelligence agency.

>t one point you implied that somehow the entire Tau navy didn't count because they weren't Fire Caste.

That was in response to you saying they are subservient to the Fire Caste. You implied that the castes bow down to the Fire Caste and I say nay.

>> No.37433209

>>37433102
>some military
We're talking about a description that speaks of countless military shit. In a rogue state that is dedicating itself to what amounts to open rebellion. You've been underplaying the military aspect because it suits your argument that the Farsight Enclaves are somehow not a military dominated group. Literally, every post you've made comes down to "it's not a military related deal because I don't think it is".

Tough shit, those books you crave emphasize the military aspect because it's the most important detail of the planet, I'm sure there's city parks, doesn't change that the surface is covering "some"(as in, literally the fucking subsurface) military-industrial complex.

You can't say it's not a world fitted to war purposes unless we just assume that somehow large subterranean facilities constantly being expanded don't count as war effort.

And I never said shit about the castes(for what that is worth on an anonymous imageboard), but that doesn't change that you claimed that the Fire Caste was the only thing that was the Tau's military. Which is dumb and retarded and ignores that armies are made up of far more than guys with guns.

But then again, you're also the guy who thinks that a world's worth of military facilities counts as "some". So I assume your entire view pointed is skewed.

>> No.37433226

>>37432976
Works yes.
Organising a crusade would take to long to respond to a hive fleet as the time the reached the system it would already be gone.
A legion would be able to deploy far quicker and possibly save the system.

>> No.37433286

>>37410582
Lilarsus (Ultima, Eastern fringe) was a lifeless Dead World, which was terraformed by Eldars into lush paradise world. The planet was settled by Eldar Exodites after the Fall of Eldar. By the time of the Tau invasion, Lilarsus had working World Spirit, lay-line network, and local Webway transport system.

Tau technology is unable to handle psychic powers, and they have major problems with Eldars, since every Eldar is born as natural low-level Telepath. Tau are not capable to detect telepathic communication, and can not determine if any single Eldar is just a natural telepath or high-level Warlock.

In the end of the Lilarsus invasion, Tau forces resorted to massive orbital bombarded. Currently Lilarsus is listed as "Dead World/Nuclear winter", but the planet still has "significant Eldar presence", and any non-Eldars landing on the planet will be attacked by "Xenos battle automations, wielding blasphemous warp-weapons".

>> No.37433302

>>37433226
>A legion would be able to deploy far quicker

How? Legions take time, they were meant to spearhead massive assaults into enemy territory. Nine legions to cover vast amounts of space isn't a good idea. Hell, it's probably worse given that by the time the closest Legion hears, the Nids are moving through several systems due to splinters and the Legion is just going as one big unit at a time.

A Crusade is telling Imperial forces "gather at X location to assault or defend", a Legion would have the advantage of having the forces already together, but at the expense of flexibility. Sure, they can go take down the one big hive fleet(as can smaller chapters with assistance fighting smartly), but that means nothing when all the splinters, rebellions, and other incursions are going on around said Legion fleet.

Legions are no longer convenient for the Imperium.

>> No.37433344

>>37433209
> In a rogue state that is dedicating itself to what amounts to open rebellion.

Isolationists.

Before going on in a detour in the argument. the subject, the subject was whether hat Farsight Enclave is not some kind of fascistic fire caste governed domain. I proved that wrong when I showed that the Enclave is a democracy of planet and each planet is governed by its own caste.

You or whoever derailed the argument over the definitions of militaries instead of addressing the main point of the argument.

>> No.37433359

>>37433286
>Lilarsus (Ultima, Eastern fringe) was a lifeless Dead World, which was terraformed by Eldars into lush paradise world. The planet was settled by Eldar Exodites after the Fall of Eldar. By the time of the Tau invasion, Lilarsus had working World Spirit, lay-line network, and local Webway transport system.

Source this please.

>> No.37433384

>>37433344
>isolationists
>still somehow not what the Tau see as a rebel state

Don't be that autistic.

>> No.37433414

>>37433384
The Farsight Enclave view themselves as isolationists more than rebels. They have no ill will against the Empire.

When an actual war breaks out and Farsight supporter struggle against the Ethereals in the open, then it would be ''open rebellion''.

>> No.37433437

>>37433302
>Legions are no longer convenient for the Imperium.
Perhaps, I always figured it would take longer to organise a Crusade from multiple chapter instead of just deploying all your legions forces.
It should take longer to organise forces from multiple units then from one centralized legion.

>> No.37433442

>>37433414
How they see themselves isn't really how it is.

When Farsight fucked off and made his own deal, he was already creating what the Tau Empire sees as a rogue state. And considering the Tau's treatment of his image and his supporters, it sure as hell is being treated as rebellion.

>> No.37433464

>>37433437
Crusades are usually local, so it doesn't take a super long time.

The Legions might know of the situation faster, but that doesn't really change that it's still them acting as one massive unit.

Eventually the Legions would get so spread out by diverting forces to local issues that it would no longer matter.

>> No.37433476

>>37433437
>>37433302
The reason I thought that papa smurf split the legions was to minimize chaos corruption as opposed to facilitating organisation.
Generally the more centralized an armed force is the better they can deploy.

>> No.37433495

>>37433344
Is or not some*

>> No.37433528

>>37433476
Chaos corruption was part of it.

And well centralization is well and good, that's more for conventional fronts and war while the Space Marines are expected to do a lot of things on the fly as they appear, they don't have time(especially with warp communication was it is) to relay orders and situations.

>> No.37433539

>>37432193
>drove the the dark influences away from his soul
wait wait wait wait wait.
Hold the fuck up.
It's been a couple of years since I last read any HH books but
Didn't it take Horus being completely and utterly defeated by the emps for him to be cleared from his taint?
Defeated as in, as he lay there dying from mortal wounds even he could not recover from?

As in, he was fucking dying from being assmangled by big E and the chaos gods basically went "Welp, this dude's done. Fuck it you guise lets go possess someone else"

Because that's how I interpreted it.

>> No.37433573

>>37415729
That isn't true. In fact you have slightly more caste mobility including Earth Caste's serving in the military.

>> No.37433574

>>37433539
Just ignore black library anon

>> No.37433625

>>37433528
I am willing to admit I am wrong, however I don't think it was a good idea to limit a chapter to 1000 members considering how high casualties can be in a campaign.
Also with how long it takes to train Marines it would probably be more efficient to triple the maximum number allowed.

>> No.37433642

>>37433574
The HH books didn't reach the final battle yet.

>> No.37433650

>>37433625
That is true, the counter however would be that Marines are needed in many places and well, if losing several hundred is bad, a campaign where over a thousand or more are lost is awful.

>> No.37433656

>>37433539

The Emperor killed him because the wounds that Horus had inflicted on him were grave and he probably wouldn't be around in person much longer. He also knew that when that happens, he wouldn't be able to do anything should Horus be re-possessed, which could be very likely so he killed him for the safety of the Imperium and to save his son's soul.

>> No.37433708

>>37433539
>>37433574
>>37433656

>With iron resolve, he gathered his full strength and delivered a massive psychic blow that killed Horus almost instantly and obliterated his very soul. In his final moments, the powers of Chaos were driven from him and the Emperor sensed his favoured son's return to sanity for a fraction of a second before he finally died

Here, from the lexicanum. This is how I always saw it. Hours was already pretty much dead and wouldn't be able to recover from that shit yo. It always felt kinda right to me. Redemption in death and all that good shit.
It wasn't "Oh yeah so Emps totes cleared the taint from Horus but then slew him because he's a dick like that and he didn't want Horus to be repossessed"
and more like "So yeah big E killed the shit out of his first son, and Horus repented as he lay dying"

>> No.37433731

>>37415849
Idk man, no hope and no faith is pretty loose definition. Could be that's what they want to say but it's actually a warp virus that infects regardless of faith. How do you measure faith or hope? And faith or hope in what? And isn't knowledge kind of the destroyer of faith? Like if you know that there are horrible monsters out there that are hell bent on killing you but the imperium protects you, theres no room for faith. Only knowledge that some psychos would love to butcher you and everything you love or hold dear.

Besides, haven't we established that all fluff is subjective? I mean come on, there are countless examples of differing accounts of the same event.

>> No.37433733

>>37433650
A chapter 3000 strong will more easily absorb 1000 casualties than a 1000 strong chapter will 300.
It really is situational however 1000 marines cannot adequately protect a sector for the most part.

>> No.37433761

>>37433708

Well in the Bill King story, "Aboard Horus' Battle-Barge" it depicts the final moments as the emperor intiially going through with it; and the sheer force his psychic might is enough to force the chaos gods away, and then he pauses because he now sees his favored and beloved son, but since he still poses a great danger to the imperium, he has to kill Horus.

Horus exchanges a tearful glance at his father, and then he is utterly destroyed by the Emperor.

>> No.37433827

>>37433761
>>37433761
Ugh. That's more of a downer ending. I'm gonna stick to my own headcanon for this then, I prefer Horus redemption to be bitter-sweet and big E to be less of a dick. Thanks anon.

>> No.37433869

>>37433761

He really wasn't a dick in the Bill King story, he was kind of a sentimental sap to be quite honest

He had to force to literally force himself just to defend himself against his son, and it took all the power it had emotionally just to be able to kill him

>> No.37433918

>>37433827


>"Driven by all the force of his rage and pain and hatred the Emperor wills Horus's death. He senses the forces of Chaos retreat, disengaging themselves from their pawn. As they do so sanity returns to the Warmaster. The Emperor sees realisation of the atrocities he has committed flicker across Horus' face. Tears glisten there.

Horus is free but the Emperor knows he himself is dying and that the Powers of Chaos may once again possess the Warmaster and he will not be there to stop them. He cannot take that risk. Horus must die. Yet for a second, looking into his old friends face, he hesitates, unable to do the deed. Then he thinks of the slaughter that still goes on outside, may go on forever. Resolve hardens within him.

He forces all mercy and compassion from his mind, empties it of all knowledge of friendship and coimraderie and love. His eyes lock with Horus and see understanding there. Then with full cold knowledge of what he is doing the Emperor destroys the Warmaster. "

Tell me that doesn't give you feels

>> No.37433928

>>37433869
>sentimental sap to be quite honest
To be fair watching your favoured son be corrupted by the great enemy, trying to kill you and destroy everything you have worked for would be rather disheartening.

>> No.37433979

>>37433918
It does, I admit. I just personally prefer the version where Horus redeems as he If this is officially how it went then I won't argue any further.

>> No.37434009

>>37433733
They're not meant to protect sectors on their own, just make it so the IG can.

>> No.37434131

>>37433869
A reminder that the Emperor wouldn't have been able to kill Horus without the chink.

>>37433918
So he murdered Horus because of doubt?

>> No.37434176

>>37425812
>young upstart nation with disproportionate influence and representation
>overwhelming technological superiority, constantly improving
>fanatical belief in the greater good and it's their destiny to lead the galaxy into a golden age with their philosophy and guidance
>extremely naive when it comes to the motivations of others
>always seems to win shit that makes everyone call bullshit mary sue/plot armor/extenuating circumstances/it was actually the unstoppable wave of rapey murder beasts that beat their enemy

I'm an American and I approve of this.

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