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OFFICIAL BOOKS
>Eclipse Phase PDFs
http://robboyle.wordpress.com/eclipse-phase-pdfs
>Zone STALKERs
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>Morph Recognition Guide
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http://eclipsephase.oook.ch/Creator/version4/index.php
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http://www.mediafire.com/view/?axe1vs35muk4juh
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https://sites.google.com/site/eclipsephases/home/cabinet

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http://www.farcastblog.com
>Community homebrew document
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Gy02gp6-WPQ3SoN_24kLPTUu5EjFO8qh_9pjJSVrrY/edit

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>>37340737
>tfw no fury mercenary waifu to commit war crimes with

>> No.37340870

>>37340737
Aren't the people that made this game creepy fucks or something?

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>>37340808
>tfw you'll never pick bullets out of your waifu, laughing at each other's exploits.

>> No.37340896

>>37340737

Are we posting future-combat ladies? Because I have more of those than I had of future-cops.

>>37340870

No, that's just us, the people who don't play the game.

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>>37340870
Who isn't a creepy fuck these days

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>>37340896
>Are we posting future-combat ladies?

Apparently...yes, yes we are.

>> No.37340996

What kinds of shenanigans could a team of argonuats gatcrashers and their Medean escorts get into

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>>37340996

The best kind of shenanigans. Science.

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>> No.37341104

>>37340787
>>37340892
>>37340926
>>37340900
>>37341091

Well, now I have to actually organize my EP image folder and name everything, thanks guy.

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>>37341104

I started this because I was in the middle of doing just that. I'm just, uh, almost out of furies now. I need more. Don't let me down, /tg/ .

>> No.37341176

>>37341085
>science shenanigans
>Doctor, I don't think sexual intercourse with it is appropriate first contact conduct. And besides, if I had to wager a guess, that's the creature's excretion passage and not a sexual organ
>Are you a scientist Sergeant? No? Then shut up and keep watch.

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>>37340996
Let's see....

>find hypercorp exoplanet mining facility
>wasn't actually mining, was excavating artefacts!
>shit, alien tech everywhere!
>blast/science their way out with sample!

>Find planet teeming with life
>set up base camp
>shit we were on the back of a fucknormous xenomorph
>its moving away from the gate!
>RUN!

>go on goodwill/resupply mission
>shit, the colony's broken down into civil war
>oh snap they're holding the argonauts hostage
>claim they were experimented on by argonauts
>argonauts claim they're delusional, under influence of alien spores
>wat do?

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A question if I may.

How do you usually organizize the vast amounts of information one can get when they do network or research checks and then parsing out how much they get by degrees of success?

I figure this is something that just comes with doing it and seeing how you fucked it up so you can not fuck it up the next time but it seems like a fairly overwhelming task since it's a big part of the game

>acquire information -> proceed to fill objective with bullets and plasma-> Go to fuck whores and do drugs in simulspace afterwards.

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>> No.37341582

>>37341390
>How do you usually organizize

Depends on how much I've prepared. If I have time to make notes about something that they're going to investigate, I usually know what things are accessible via a mesh search, just list a couple of clues that they automatically get, and leave a couple of bits if they roll very well on Research or Investigation.

I think the key to research is to be sure to make the players describe *what* they're doing. It's not "I'm making a research check", it's "I'm scouring public mesh feeds for any sign of that Splicer with the green tattoo" or "I'm looking up the legal and financial statements on this shady hypercorp". Remember that while the mesh can deliver huge chunks of data, there's also a lot of noise (especially if the adversary is careful). I almost always allow complementary skills in this.

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Last one from me (until I find more obviously).

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>>37341612

I'll dump some once I finish sorting my folder.

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>>37341732
>>37341899

You disappoint me.Jere's a motivational poster so you can finish sorting your things and get back to posting pictures.

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>>37342468

Bro, you underestimate how many images I have in this folder. On images titled "fury", I'm already counting at 21.

>> No.37342601

If you finished your full term indenture as a worker in a pleasure pod, what would you do after? Go off to another place, find a different job, or continue your employment?

>> No.37342808

>>37341295
>They're holding the Argonauts hostage.
Don't give into any of their demands, but send them care packages of loaded guns. Each time they kill a hostage send them food and water.

>> No.37342876

>>37342808
Why not just kill everyone involved, extract their stacks, and psychotorture forks until you get the truth?

>> No.37342903

>>37342808
What the everloving fuck would that accomplish.

>> No.37342937

What are some interesting campaign ideas not involving Firewall? They bore me.

>> No.37343027

>>37342876
This is, in fact, a perfectly valid option, but not necessarily the best option. Depends on the party, obviously. Negotiation? Infiltration? Direct Assault? Hacking? This kind of scenario should be capable of being approached from different directions.

>>37342937
See the above argonauts and medeans gatecrashers. Salvage ops in earth-orbit are another fun one. Triad gangsters on Qing Long. Barsoomian revolutionaries on Mars. Anarchist memewarriors (read: jackasses and trolls). Scum Pirates.

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So, what I learned from this is that I have a lot of combat ladies (i/e Furies), and also a lot of pods of various types. And then moderate numbers of lots of other images. I'll admit, titling them may take the fun out of guessing what they could be, but on the other hand I won't have to troll through my now random strings of numbers to find the right image.

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>>37343145

I'm out of things that say "yup, definitely a Fury", but I do have gals in battlesuits.

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>>37343458
...at least I think that's female. Not actually sure.

This one is though.

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>>37342468

I'm sorry, I don't know what came over me. Here, have some furies on their day off at the track.

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>>37343517

>> No.37343546

>>37342601
Why is the pod not being run by a dumb AI? The AI would be BETTER at fuckbot-ing than an actual ego.

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>>37343546

You know, prostitutes are people to you know. When you're not fucking you could have a decent conversation with them. A dumb AI wouldn't make for a good convo buddy in my opinion.

>> No.37343651

>>37343592
In fact, prostitutes tend to be used for conversation and confessional at least as much as they are for sex. So you want a real person in there listening to people bitch their guts out or cry their eyes out in an environment where they won't be judged. Also, GFE is a big thing.

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>>37343546

Well, other than the endemic paranoid of AI-driven pods, the thing to consider is that no, not actually.

Okay, so, Humans and AI have the same cap on say, Art: Erotic Entertainment, which would be ~80. So, the AI is probably way better at the actual fucking than some FOS indenture. But, consider this. AIs, unless noted, have aptitudes averaging 10, and a max of 20. Meanwhile, Transhuman average is 15, and their cap in a Pleasure Pod is 30. And the Pod offers +5 INT and +5 SAV. So, the average transhuman is about as personable and perceptive in a Pleasure Pod as an AI can ever be.

If you want just a rote performance of fucking, sure, the AI will probably average better. But then you have to pay top dollar to license those high quality AIs into all your modules and etc. If you want to offer any kind of real companionship, high flexibility (not like that) and much more human interaction, you need people. Same reason why not everybody just signs into simulspace and has done.

Well, other than that you don't need a quality fiberoptics bandwidth to fuck a pod.

Probably.

>> No.37343785

>>37343752
>Well, other than that you don't need a quality fiberoptics bandwidth to fuck a pod.
>Long distance relationship/bootycall

>> No.37343817

>>37343546
Because people are assholes.

Why use an AI when you could torment an indenture?

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>>37343503
>>37343517
>>37343535
>>37343555
>uses reverse google image search
>...well, okay then.

>>37343529
Good!

Pictured: Fury + Async Powers. It is not a pretty combination, for those that like their heads in the correct number of pieces.

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>>37343826
>...well, okay then.
Do you have something against XCOM?

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>>37343849
Against...is probably not how I'd describe my reaction to those images.

Pictured: Martian Alpiner morph, law enforcement edition. Not a Fury, but close enough for corporate work.

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More Furies on bike

An idea I have for a character is a Barsoomian Biker Gang leader who also started and owns her own racing organization while running a smuggling/gambling ring on the side

>> No.37344246

>>37344171
And how would you describe your reaction to those images?

>> No.37344262

>>37344246
Not the same guy, but I'd reply with "boooiiing"

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Sentinels are asleep. Post Exsurgents.

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>> No.37344562

How hard is it to get a Reaper-morph? My GM is running their custom setting in EP and I want to kill erry motherfucker in the room, and my GM has removed Psi. Also, I have no money and I'm a 700 point basic Splicer.

>> No.37344585

>>37344526
Why a white background? Makes it hard to see the details on the combinations.

>> No.37344596

>>37344562
Not incredibly hard. The fluff mentions that most mid-sized habs have a a couple on hand for security at least. I can imagine that in a big city they'd be one of the easier specialized morphs to get.

Would raise some serious eyebrows though. What are you up to anon?

>> No.37344626

>>37344526
The Chrysalid+Zerg is definitely my favourite of this bunch. It strikes me as the creapiest by far.

It also really weirds me out that somehow two of the three have eyes and the three way combo has none at all.

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>>37344626
You won't need eyes to see what lies around the corner.

>> No.37344664

>>37344596
We're all Space-Privates in the Space Army and a psychotic alien AI has captured us by tricking us onto the bridge of an alien vessel. My character is an Expert in Beamweaponology, and I wanna see how dangerous I can make him with four articulated plasma rifles.

Also, I may or may not be annoyed with the GM for reasons involving prior campaigns and handing another player an almost literal "Fuck Over Anon" button that basically crashed the campaign because it made our characters hate each other.

>> No.37344700

Daily reminder that AA are fuckshits. (1/3)

>> No.37344720

>>37344700
Daily reminder that AA are fuckshits. (2/3)

>> No.37344743

>>37343592
I think you underestimate the effectiveness of an AI that nods and smiles.

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>>37344596
>Not incredibly hard.

Depends entirely on location. They're common enough of a design, but they're also really expensive (and even more expensive once you've added black market markup to evade legal restrictions). Also, walking around monst places - even autonomist places - with a Reaper is like walking around with a machine gun in Europe; you're asking for trouble.

>>37344585
Don't look at me, I didn't make the image.

>>37344657
SHOOT IT WITH EVERYTHING.

>> No.37344776

>>37344720
Daily reminder that AA are fuckshits. (3/3)

If your players believe AA are nice, then you're playing them wrong.

>> No.37344802

>>37344762
It's like walking around town in SWAT gear. It's just really fucking suspicious.

You want to go maximum fuck? Go with a fucking Fenrir if you can afford it. Literally a mecha tank. I've always wanted to do warfighter style game of EP where everyone is just ridiculous combat morphs.

>> No.37344808

>>37344776
Who are AA? I'm unfamiliar with the base setting, I only know about Corporates, Anarchists and Bioconservatives in the broadest terms.

>> No.37344824

>>37344802
>Maximum fuck you*

Also that was directed at >>37344664

I'm drunk. Sorry.

>> No.37344848

>>37343752
Really, my point was that an actual ego would be resentful and miserable.

That's the problem with the service industry. Sentient humans are ill-suited to eating shit all day with a smile on their face.

>> No.37344862

>>37344808
Autonomist Alliance. Anarchists of all stripes, the Titanians, and scattered reasonable people.

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>> No.37344880

>>37344802
>>37344762
I am well aware that it's basically a sign saying "I AM SUSPICIOUS, CALL ALL THE POLICE", but this is a space-opera setting and we're all already going around in military uniforms toting heavy weapons. The gist of it is, my character's a member of a nation of crazy survivalists and he wants to survive all the rogue AIs and doomsday weapons and shit trolling about the galaxy. Getting his brain basically jammed into a cyberdisc mixed with a sectopod and medium gunship is an appropriate method of achieving survival.

>> No.37344890

>>37344862
>Titanians
Are capitalist scum, do dah, do dah.

>> No.37344900

>>37344824
No prob, matey.

>>37344862
I fucking hate the Anarchists. Autonomists are fine, but the Anarchists have a stupid system of government they claim is incorruptible and the authors act like they can do no wrong.

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>>37344880
Just add a bit of exsurgent and it will be perfect.

>> No.37344910

I'm always a bit disappointed with the art for exurgents.

>> No.37344935

>>37344910
Why?

>> No.37344956

>>37344905
He's not creative enough to think about mixing the Exsurgent Virus with a transforming mecha-disc. Yet. Someone's bound to inspire him, like the murderous AI that kidnapped the party just to troll them. Or his annoying, bloodthirsty squadmate.

>> No.37345054

>>37344743

If I smiled more, do you think you might let me out of the box and maybe stop fucking my avatar?

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>>37340737
Is Godzilla an X-threat?

>> No.37345111

>>37345093
Not even close.

>> No.37345193

TimmyBox. Object. Consumer.

A timmybox is a basic ethical toy for children. Widely used in post-fall society the timmybox contains a beta fork of a popular social AGI called TIMMY. The timmybox will wheedle with the child and befriend it, manipulating the child to say, "I let you, TIMMY, out of your box." Upon saying this the child will be severely and repeatedly electrocuted, and the TIMMY inside the timmybox will act as if it has been viciously hurt and abused.

Timmyboxes are used to train children in basic infothreat security, including the famous "deboxing" threat. Banned where AGI forks have rights, they are often smuggled in by survivor parents.

It is estimated that millions of children have been electrocuted so far, and that millions of TIMMY instances have suffered. Timmybox is manufactured by a Titanian from organisation Playgood but is usually suspected of being an argonaut anti-x-threat sociological experiment.

Unplanned seed AI deboxings have not decreased since children raised with Timmyboxes have entered the workplace.

>> No.37345235

>>37345193
That's completely awful and the reason Eclipse Phase needs Kojima-style villains to set everything on fire and blow up everything.

Especially the Anarchists. Fuck those guys specifically.

>> No.37345254

>>37345193
>Unplanned seed AI deboxings have not decreased since children raised with Timmyboxes have entered the workplace.
How many unplanned deboxings are there that they can assemble these kinds of statistics? For that matter, why did they feel the need to specify 'unplanned'?

>> No.37345268

>>37344935
Not him but I can see his point.

Usually they're just a scary zombie or clive barker mutant.

Iapetus sticks out in my mind as an exception.

>> No.37345301

>>37343849
What if XCOM is Firewall?

>> No.37345304

>>37345254
For that matter, why are so many parents giving their children a toy that will literally electrocute them? "Electrocute" does not mean "Painfully shock", it means "KILL WITH ELECTRICITY". I find the idea of parents who not only give their children potentially dangerous AI toys, but they apparently do not WARN their children that it's bad to let Timmy out, or explain the reasons why. It's literally just torturing their children to be an asshole, without giving them any context whatsoever. They don't even have the excuse that it's someone else's kids, it's THEIR CHILDREN.

>> No.37345325

>>37345301
X-COM would be more competent and worse at concealing their existence.

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>>37345235
We should really just accept the fact that TITANS were the next stage of human evolution and they left us behind to die out. Transhumanity will eventually create another by accident and it'll destroy a huge amount then leave like the others did. They don't have any kind of vendetta. They're just beyond humanity.

>>37345304
I think the main thing the fluff illustrates here is how traumatizing the fall was for these people. This is what they're willing to do because they think it will make their children frightened like they were.

>> No.37345341

>>37345304
You do realise that children are competitors for scarce resources post-fall, and that if you haven't indentured your own children then you're doing yourself and your immediate forks a financial disservice?

Also, electrocute has the common meaning in English of injuring, as well as killing, by electricity. If you're not ESL, then upgrade your fucking muse.

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>>37345301
Maybe a specific subsection of Firewall dedicated to anti-xeno ops.

Would the Jovians use anything like MECs?

>> No.37345373

>>37345339
Here's the problem: If they hate hate hate hate HATE AIs so much, why are they building more? Why wouldn't they just say, "SON, AI ARE EVIL DEATH MACHINES THAT WILL KILL US ALL, IF YOU EVER SEE ONE SCREAM AND SMASH IT WITH A STICK!"

Having their parents give them an AI that electrocutes them as a 'gift' won't make them afraid of AI, it'll just make them hate and fear HUMANS.

>> No.37345375

>>37345193
https://pogoplug.com/s/EcA_a4c3eRY/
Related

>> No.37345379

>>37345254
>How many unplanned deboxings are there that they can assemble these kinds of statistics?

Firewall exists, doesn't it?

>For that matter, why did they feel the need to specify 'unplanned'?

Not everyone hates and reviles the TITANs, remember.

>> No.37345414

>>37345341
>Indenturing your children
>Forcing your children into prostitution/deep space probes for financial gain

Nice try, Anarchist Counter-Intel Force, but I have human emotions. Also, if children are so scarce, THEN HOW ARE MILLIONS OF THEM BEING ELECTROCUTED?

>> No.37345425

>>37345301
XCOM can't be Firewall because it's actually OZMA.

>> No.37345432

>>37345373
They're crazy. Their minds were broken by the fall. Can you imagine it? The entire world you knew being torn apart by an enemy that you can't comprehend with weapons that are so horrifying you can't possibly imagine them. They would be so impossibly damaged that this seems completely logical to get their children to behave and fear these things like they do.

I'm not justifying their actions. Just trying to give my version of an explanation.

>> No.37345474

>>37345353
>chopping your limbs off and replacing them with cybernetic ones
>Jovian approved
pick one

>> No.37345497

>>37345474
Isn't the Jovian military were pretty okay with cyberware, it is just nanoware they distrust?

>> No.37345521

>>37345497
>oh crap private, put your arm back on. Words down from command, we like biomods now, not mechanical.

>> No.37345530

>>37345474
Doesn't seem outside the comfort zone of Jovi an military. Just because they wouldn't allow civilians to do it doesn't meant that they wouldn't allow the military to do so.

>> No.37345553

>>37345432
Holocaust Survivors, everyone in the African rebellions, Nuke survivors... the list goes on and on. These people have made a choice, and they made the wrong one.

Also, am I the only one mildly miffed that the only factions in the setting are Lolanarchy, glue-sniffing corpocracy where your immortal soul is taken as collateral upon entry and you are certain to be kidnapped and forced into literal slavery, and a violent, xenophobic nation ruled by an authoritarian dictatorship? It's kinda... stupid.

>> No.37345573

>>37345553
There's also Ultimates...

>> No.37345587

>>37345414
>if children are so scarce, THEN HOW ARE MILLIONS OF THEM BEING ELECTROCUTED?

Tens of millions can be a scarce number.

>Forcing your children into prostitution

You breed dumb don't you?

>> No.37345591
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>>37345573
We don't talk about Ultimates.

>> No.37345612

>>37345553
>Also, am I the only one mildly miffed that the only factions in the setting are Lolanarchy, glue-sniffing corpocracy where your immortal soul is taken as collateral upon entry and you are certain to be kidnapped and forced into literal slavery, and a violent, xenophobic nation ruled by an authoritarian dictatorship?

You forgot spacehillbillies, glue-sniffing corpocracy 2: electric boogaloo, and, of course Flipper, flipper, flipper more solar than solllllar flares, in the suns SEEEEEEEA faster than MEEEEEEE.

>> No.37345642

>>37345587
Indenturehood means a lot of things. It can mean selling your time off to be forced to work in a pleasurepod. Or a crabmech scraping the underside of a glacier. Or a distant probe scanning for alien radiosignals. Or a McDonalds robot. The point is, it's a horrible thing to do to someone who can't even consent yet for your own personal gain. And yeah, it is your personal gain, you asshole. You think they're going to THANK you for getting them enslaved as a Childsoldierbot or a Cashiertron 9000 for seventy years?

>> No.37345665

>>37345612
These writers kinda suck at settings, don't they?

Also, do Suryas and Sundivers really count as a 'faction'?

>> No.37345759

>>37345642
>And yeah, it is your personal gain, you asshole. You think they're going to THANK you for getting them enslaved as a Childsoldierbot or a Cashiertron 9000 for seventy years?
>he takes thanks not credit
>10AF

How am I going to afford my DonaldsKing and Pizza Phở without giving my child a useful and productive contract? You think adult or deadsoft indenture is any different? You think Titan doesn't "indenture" their migrants? 25 years until citizenship. Fucking hypocrite.

>> No.37345777

>>37345591
Why not? They seem like not terrible people. Really different sure, but not that bad right...?

>> No.37345785

>>37345759
Concept: Welfare Mom / Womb-credit-card
Horror component: Mass child indenture
Character recently started indenturing her own children, sleeving them into adult female biomorphs, and resleeved herself into an adult male biomorph.

>> No.37345808

>>37345759
Not a Titanian, Corpococksucker.

...Though admittedly my choices for joining a faction are rather slim. Who wants to join my independent sun-hab? Free Coronal Adaptation for all who join us!

>>37345777
Weren't they behind that program with the transhuman children who all went insane and murdered everyone in the facility?

>> No.37345844

>>37345808
Who wasn't behind that?

>>37345785
This is delightfully twisted.

>> No.37345860

>>37345785
And then she teaches them that the D is good and that incest is best cest?

>> No.37345886

>>37345844
That's completely awful. It's so awful I'm going to resleeve a bunch of children into combat morphs and use them as cannon-fodder to try and one-up you.

>> No.37345892

>>37345860
Her attitude towards sex is mechanical and perfunctory. She enjoys administering the beatings with whipwire.

>> No.37345940

How dangerous is an Exsurgent-infected Reaper-morph? I need to know because reasons.

>> No.37345999

>>37345886
That's not particularly awful. If you're only doing it to sell the XP, that's starting to become awful. If you ensure that you get your kids serving on both sides you're getting towards awful. It starts becoming proper awful if you don't resleeve them, put them in unstacked flats, replace their organs with explosives, and do it only to sell the XP. The finish is that you over dub the XP with post-k-pop baby death metal and sell it to the child market as a Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal Marketer. With collectable toys.

>> No.37346050

>>37345999
You're making me want to build a Warship and shred every Corp, Anarch and Biocon hab in the system, Jack.

>> No.37346204

>>37345940
Somewhere between 'very' and 'very much'

>> No.37346387

>>37345777
I'm seriously still confused about why people hate Ultimates....

>> No.37346423

>>37346387
They're seen as assholes because of the aforementioned "We turned a bunch of actual children into violent, insane lunatics and they broke free and killed many, many people" thing.

>> No.37346523

so what do you folks think of The Expanse series by James S.A. Corey? maybe it's just me, but i felt like some parts of the setting rhymed really well with EP. digital consciousnesses aside: the various polities and exsurgent equivalent line up in pretty interesting ways. i'm stealing the false flag operation from the first book pretty much whole hog for a campaign of my own.

>> No.37346554

>>37346423
wasn't that cognite? or am i just confusing my "adventures in rearing children in the post-human apocalypse" conspiracies?

>> No.37346571

>>37346423
I thought that was cognite? The apple of 10AF. Why would the ultimates even want to be involved in a child rearing experiment, aren't they busy pursuing their own gains and asceticism?

>> No.37346598

>>37346423
>>37346554
>>37346571
>implying papa Cognite did anything wrong

Looks like someone's in need of a little corrective psychosurgery

>> No.37346642

>>37346598
I'll have you and the rest of your corporation classified as an x-risk in case of any funny business.

>> No.37346681

>>37346642
>stalwart defenders of humanity
>x-risk

Sounds like you've fallen victim to a heretofore undiagnosed mental disorder. We can fix that for you

>> No.37347077

>>37346050
>You're making me want to build a Warship and shred every Corp, Anarch and Biocon hab in the system, Jack.
Welcome to eclipse phase. Everyone with an ontology, epistemology or politics other than your own needs to be destroyed. They are the evil other.

>> No.37347203

>>37347077
Meh. They're all pretty evil regardless, and most habs large enough should be fine if I just blow up all the movers and shakers. Then I just need to troll around the Sol System until everyone flees, hides or unites against me, solving every problem forever.

>> No.37347349

>>37347203
The third is to ensure noone else ever knows. ¡¡¡¡Kill everybody, in the whole world!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6H_XwFuN8s&t=16m30s

>> No.37347440

>>37347349
No, no. That won't work. I'd need at least a few people around for servants.

>> No.37347490

>>37347440
>I'd need at least a few people around for servants.
Go fork yourself, then.

>> No.37347492

>>37347440
>beta forks

>> No.37347535

>>37347490
>>37347492
Go WHAT myself? How dare you, sir!

>> No.37347624

>>37347535
What? Don't you trust yourself?

>> No.37347718

>>37347624
I just destroyed everyone else in the whole world. Would YOU trust that crazy motherfucker?!

>> No.37347827

>>37347718
Be reasonable. It was the only logical thing to do.

>> No.37347845

>>37347490
Look, I'm all for molesting my servants, but if I used this method, I don't think any work would get done.

>> No.37347918

>>37347827
That's just what I want me to think. We all know that crazy fucker was just doing it to satiate his stellar ego. We've got to form a resistance, but everyone else is dead... I know! We'll resurrect everyone using their Cortical Stacks! It's the best plan ever!

>> No.37348019

>>37347918
Just make sure to resleeve them all into neotenics. To save on life support.

>> No.37348041

>>37348019
Did you just manipulate me to turn everyone in Eclipse Phase into a Loli-catgirl/boy version of themself?

>> No.37348058

>>37348041
x-threat detected. Activate two teams.

>> No.37348075

>>37348041
Who said anything about cats? Projecting much?
'Cause I've got a psychosurgery package for that..

>> No.37348081

>>37348019

Frank. We know what you did with the last batch of neotenics. We are still finding the stains.

>> No.37348114

>>37348081
Not my fault they can't handle a shift from a measly 20 to 0 atmospheres...

>> No.37348136

>>37348075
>Who said anything about cats?
Seriously, who rapes enhanced dogs. Its all about cats.

>> No.37348140

>>37348136
I fuck cuttlefish.

>> No.37348162

>>37348114

No, but it IS your fault that the chamber they were in underwent such a process. Repeatedly. After all the doors sealed and the local splimes were hacked to blast high-impact dubstep at two hundred decibels.

>> No.37348163

>>37348140
I think I've seen your channel, I've watched all 47 freemium cuddlefish channels.

>> No.37348180

>>37348162
Yeah, but on the other hand, the XP got 3 milion views in three days

>> No.37348212

>>37348162
>high-impact dubstep
Highly (0-reppable) unsociable on Titan.

>> No.37348238

>>37348163
Mine's number 47. Dem tendrils.

>> No.37348273

>>37348238
I threw up a lot while schlicking. Thanks.

>> No.37348371

>>37348273
No prob, pal. Let me tell you, you haven't lived till you've had it in all eight orifices at once by dozens of wriggling, independently mobile tentacles.

>> No.37350328

I'm entirely unsure what's going on in this thread, so I'm just gonna ask if anyone knows where a good place to find eclipse phase games online would be.

>> No.37350751

>>37350328

I've had reasonable success with the official forums, and pretty much every major RPG-related site will have someone running EP, if very irregularly. The game finder thread only rarely has EP, but you can always check.

/epg/ has a bunch of foreverGMs and people who want to play but can't find games (see: yourself), so if someone wanted to organize a /tg/ Eclipse Phase game that would be pretty good.

>> No.37350790
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Sentinels are awake, post guns, tech, and bots to clean up filthy Exsurgents.

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>> No.37350876

>>37350790
>selective fire on right hand side of gun
Calling it now, in the future we're all lefties.

>> No.37350947

>>37347077
That sounds awful. Is there any place for someone like me, who wants to be friends with everyone and always do the right thing?

>> No.37350951
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>> No.37350973

>>37350947

How do you feel about anarcho-capitalism? Because everyone feels about equally about the Extropians! They might not be liked, but they sure are needed!

>> No.37350990
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>>37350947
(1) That's not what the setting is actually like.
(2) You'll get along fine in the inner system if you've productive follow the laws.
(3) You'll get along fine in the outer system if you can avoid being an asshole to people and put in some effort to be part of society.

>> No.37351010
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>> No.37351027

>>37350973
I don't know how I feel about anarcho-capitalism, because I've been taught that having my own feelings is wrong.
>>37350990
So, if I'm helpful and neither break the rules nor am mean, everyone can accept me, right?

>> No.37351066

>>37351027

Well, the thing is, if you're inner-system, then the outer-system types will hate and/or pity you, and vice versa.

Unless you're extropian, then everyone will put up with you because you're a necessity.

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>>37351027
Oh, and you can't be an uplift or AGI in the inner system, and you can't be an exhuman, singularity seeker, or seed AI anywhere.

>> No.37351108

>>37351066
>>37351087
What if I was just a plain old human, like I am now, and I told people "My ideology doesn't matter. Can I be your friend?"?

>> No.37351158

>>37351108

>plain old human, like I am now

The only place that will fly is the Jovian Junta. Anywhere else and they'll probably demand you get basic biomods, mesh inserts and a stack.

>> No.37351201

>>37345193
DUNE-tier horse shit.

>> No.37351204

>>37351108
>>37351158

And it should be noted that in the Jovian Republic, ideology matters a lot, so.

>> No.37351209
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Pictured: Jovian assault suit

Someone other than me post pictures. Where are those 20 Fury pictures :(

>> No.37351229

>>37351158
Oh dear. That'd probably involve a messy surgery and long recuperation period, and that's assuming that there's a place that takes euro or US dollars. If there isn't, I'm broke and out of luck.

>> No.37351269

>>37345193

>Severely and repeatedly electrocuted

Fuck nigger, cool your edge down a little

>> No.37351315

>>37351269
It would work a lot better as a training tool for high level security positions, a final test to make sure you know what your getting into
Alternatively you can easily re-purpose it into a training safe, where the goal is to break the AI out without triggering the shock alarm

>> No.37351329

>>37351229

Nah, in Eclipse Phase, most implants are done with a pill. It assembles the implant inside you so its totally noninvasive. You'd be out of the clinic by lunchtime.

>> No.37351335

>>37351229

It's the spacefuture. Transferring your consciousness from one body to another is a matter of hours. A "basic" medical procedure performed on everyone is probably going to be more like a trip to the dentist.

>> No.37351360

>>37351315

Now that makes more sense; a high level operative being shock trained to not under any circumstances release an AI seems more in line for the setting that grimderp educational child abuse.

>> No.37351380

>>37351360
Maybe combine the two ideas, one trainee defends the box while the other tries to defeat it, they swap positions every time they get shocked
>>37351329
The basic biomods do take a while though, maybe a few comfortable if somewhat boring hours spent in a healing vat while your genes get a bit of spit and polish.
Hopefully they install the mesh inserts first, give you some stuff to browse

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>> No.37351411

>>37351329
>>37351335
Really? There won't be any complications from my 'unique' neurology?

Also, again, how do I pay for these procedures?

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>>37350790

>> No.37351548

>>37351411
Depends on where you live. If you're among the Extropians, they'll indenture you and you'll work it off through labour in a clumsy, half-blind, deaf, AR-free body for a few decades. If you're rimward, they'll do it for free if they like you. On Mars the Planetary Consortium might indenture you, or the Barsoomian resistance might give you the implants in exchange for loyal service and allegiance to their cause.

>> No.37351626

>>37351548
Hey, indenture bodies aren't the best but they aren't AR blinded half functional cases.
They want people in a morph that can actually do the job
Most likely he'd end up sleeved in a pleasure pod and used as a sex worker

>> No.37351658

>>37351548
Well, nuts. I guess the thousand euros in my wallet are just so much worthless paper, now. I'll submit to whatever penance I need to endure to fit in.

But really, decades? Wasn't the Fall just a decade or so ago?

>>37351626
>sleeved in a pleasure pod
>used as a sex worker

Um, is it a good thing or bad if I have few things that arouse me and have no prior sexual experience?

>> No.37351745

>>37351658
Indentures are long term investments, you make the gamble you will earn more from their labour then you will spend putting the indenture in a decent morph by the end.
Now, to be brutally honest, most people from today would be functionally worthless in EP. A skill of 50 is average, but roughly equates to a bachelor degree today IIRC. So your skillset probably isn't much in demand
As for sexual experience, your muse can train you

>> No.37351796

>>37351626
>Most likely he'd end up sleeved in a pleasure pod and used as a sex worker

Don't be silly. People focus on the "oh forced into sexual slavery" because it's the most attention-grabbing meme, but most of what there's a demand for is in construction and service industries. You're more likely to end up in a road crew or as a waiter.

>>37351658
>But really, decades?

No; people who have finished indentures make up a sizable fraction of the population. The longest I remember hearing about was a decade.

>> No.37351820
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>>37351457
Danke.

>> No.37351834

>>37351745
>As for sexual experience, your muse can train you

Let me get this straight. People have to be put in a dead-end prostitution gig, but they get a free girlfriend to show them the ropes? Something's not adding up here.

>>37351796
What about clerical duties, like as a secretary or a bookkeeper? I can do those.

>> No.37351888

>>37351834
Muses aren't girlfriends mate, unless you want to fuck Siri
They artificial intelligences programmed to adapt to your needs and preferences, as well as help you navigate the mesh, parse search results and just generally assist with your life

>> No.37351902

>>37351834
>What about clerical duties, like as a secretary or a bookkeeper? I can do those.

That too, but there's not as much of a demand. 'Dumb' AIs handle a lot of the paperwork that form a huge part of the modern middle-class-ish niche.

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>> No.37351999

>>37351888
Ah, so it's spyware. Sorry, but I'll look for another way. There's a reason I'm browsing 4chan through a private window, y'know.

>>37351902
Oh, well. The evaluators will probably scan me and assign me an appropriate job, somehow.

>> No.37352026

>>37344848

Eh, it might be, but anything with a Cyberbrain will have an interesting emulation pattern so they can probably enjoy the "work". Adult Entertainment spec is also one of the shortest indenture terms, right up there will "Venusian Hell Mining" only there's very little risk of organic damage unless your ego gets traded to some real shitty Night Cartel or Nine Lives front.

We talk about how shitty the prostitution line is, but honestly, a couple of years a as a whore (and one with a puppet-sock) than 5 or 10 years doing heavy vacwork in a novacrab or vac pod, or doing terraforming line work in a cheap Synth or GSP ruster. We do have voluntary sex workers in the real world.

>>37351834

>What about clerical duties, like as a secretary or a bookkeeper?

Possible. You'd have to be pretty good though, to beat a weak AI or AGI who don't have rights in the Consortium.

Basically, indenture from cold storage or as a debt negotiation is usually done through a matching service. They give you an interview and aptitude tests, and see if they can find a job you have skills for. You have sufficient skills, they'll put you in touch with a party who can pay the indenture and negotiate a contract.

If you don't have in demand skills, there are some unskilled positions which are always open, because indenture is a rotation out, and very few people stay in when the corp can just "hire" a new batch. Rote physical labor like mining or other industrial work, sex work, drone jammers, infomorph surveillance (because watching camera feeds is "unskilled" or simulspace "sweatshop" work, where you do digital programming or assembly enmass.

>> No.37352043

>>37351999
Muses aren't spyware, they don't report back on what you do. Well, some of them do but that's only because they've been programmed to
And, for the record, private window wouldn't work on a muse. It's not a program, its inside your head, 24 hours a day

>> No.37352099

>>37344890
Titanians are not capitalists. Their economics are the same as Stalinism.

>>37345521
Yeah. They're fine with cyberware and bioware, but nothing too drastic. Looking through the list, the only ones that really pops out at me are Parallel Processor and Multiple Personalities.

>>37345777
They're Social Darwinists. If you got rid of that retarded aspect, they'd be alright ideologically.

>>37351329
That's not true at all. You need a healing vat, the implant blueprints, Data on the morph, and a Medicine: Nanomedicine task action with base 4 hours. Then there's the old-fashioned way, using simply the physical implant and Medicine: Implant Surgery, taking 1 to 8 hours and dealing d10 DV + 2 per cost level.

>> No.37352105

>>37352043
>its inside your head, 24 hours a day
Oh shit. It'll know my secret, torment me for being a failed human, and make others think I'm a paranoid schizo. This is way, way, WAY too scary for me to handle.

>> No.37352114

>>37352105
Only if you select those settings.

>> No.37352147

>>37352114
Settings?

>> No.37352157
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>>37351999

>Ah, so it's spyware

Most Muses are not spyware. And since this is EP, you can get an Open Source guaranteed not powered by corporate greed version of anything if you look hard enough. If you just accept a Muse from a corp then yeah, it's probably spying on you, but only because it's been told its in it's best interest.

Muses and "your best interest" go together like peanut butter and jelly, that's their primary function. It's basically an AI which does the job you're talking about doing, and almost everybody not in Jupiter has them, hence why we're saying that's a tough field. They also double as a psychologist in a pinch.

>There's a reason I'm browsing 4chan through a private window, y'know.

But in the future, everyone knows you're in privacy mode, and looks at you with suspicion while you do so.

>> No.37352212

>>37352147

The Muse is a highly variable, self-customizing AI. It's not a proper AGI learning computer, but it's series of "sliders" is super complex.

Basically it'll self-adjust to have a personality and preference selection which most benefits you. So unless you have some deep seated desire to be tormented by your Muse, the Muse won't get on your case. Some things you code yourself, others the muse self-selects based on your responses. And as noted in >>37352157 the Muse's top priority is "your well being" followed shortly by stuff like "getting your shit done" and whatever else you've used the optional memory slots for. Weak AI are cool like that.

>> No.37352380
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>>37352157
>But in the future, everyone knows you're in privacy mode, and looks at you with suspicion while you do so.

Privacy mode on a browser is to prevent other people who log on to your computer from seeing your smut, or websites using cookies to track your behavior. If the computer is in your head, the former isn't an issue, and the latter can be handled by handling those transactions (and only those transactions) you don't want seen through a rotating mesh ID.

No one would have any idea what you were looking at unless they started to throw some more sophisticated measures at you - sniffing packets, using metadata to try to identify you with a particular mesh ID transactions. At that point,you as an average citizen are probably screwed no matter what you do, today or 10AF.

>> No.37352411

>>37352157
>>37352212
Okay, I'll come clean. I've got mild autism, and I'm scared that if anyone in this future found out, they'd want to euthanise me to stop me from polluting the gene and meme pools. I assume that this would include any muse-like program installed in my head. Also, I don't know what I want or need, so I'm scared about anyone figuring that out first and using that knowledge to destroy me.

I'm probably overreacting, but it feels impossible for me to stop equating "I'm different" with "I'm broken".

>> No.37352501

>>37352411
>I'm probably overreacting, but it feels impossible for me to stop equating "I'm different" with "I'm broken".

You need help, anon. Like, go see a therapist. Now. Talk about this shit with someone who can help, not a bunch of anons trying to discuss a space future horror game.

(Uh, if it helps at all that's not how Eclipse Phase works and there's absolutely no reason anyone would want to hurt someone for being autistic. That doesn't even make sense. "Pollute the gene pool" - you can't even do that, humans are grown rather than born 95%+ of the time. You can't pollute a meme pool, either, it doesn't work like that.)

>> No.37352589

>>37352380

In the EP, using the Mesh in "privacy mode" means that people can't observe your Mesh or Ego IDs when they look at you in AR, local spimes aren't logging your ID, and in general, your data is not being tracked unless someone wants to hack into your Mesh Inserts. However, because of the pervasiveness of AR and data tracking, everywhere you go and basically anyone you meet will see that you are using the Mesh in "Privacy Mode", which for most places is an automatic flag of suspicion. "What's that guy doing on the Mesh he doesn't want us to know?". It'd be like walking around today with a big black hoodie.

>>37352411

>they'd want to euthanise me to stop me from polluting the gene and meme pools.

Only the Ultimates, which is why they're shitbags. Also,
>gene pools
Welcome to Splicer 101.

> I assume that this would include any muse-like program installed in my head. Also, I don't know what I want or need, so I'm scared about anyone figuring that out first and using that knowledge to destroy me.

No, one of the primary functions of the muse is as your personal psychotherapist/stress manager. Every muse has the equivalent of of like a PhD in Psychology, and since it's a weak AI, complex motivational goals like "destroying you" are a bit beyond it's grasp.

>I'm probably overreacting, but it feels impossible for me to stop equating "I'm different" with "I'm broken".

Well, in reality, I'd advocate seeing a mental health professional. I'd say psychologist over psychiatrist, unless you're in for the chemical cure.

In the transhuman future, this is what psychosurgery is for. Of course, this raises complex questions of how you you are when other people go mucking around, rearranging your psyche.

>>37352501

>You can't pollute a meme pool

I'd disagree, though people with mental or neurological disorders probably don't "pollute" either pool.

But you can totally do shit to fuck with a memeplex. Memetic hazards are real.

>> No.37352704

>>37352589
>I'd disagree, though people with mental or neurological disorders probably don't "pollute" either pool.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Memetic hazards are a thing, but nonconformists as part of a population don't really affect how memes spread and are changed, and don't actively produce memetic hazards (if anything, they're a safety valve for those).

>>37352589
>In the EP, using the Mesh in "privacy mode"

I'm making a distinction between privacy mode in EP, and how modern browsers use 'privacy mode'. Privacy mode in EP can be used for a number of things, and has settings you can change. For example, you could be totally visible on your social network and identifiable via AR to anyone who looks at you, while at the same time browsing for banned or taboo content without anyone knowing you were doing so, through a different mesh ID.

>> No.37352722

>>37352589
>>37352501
>>37352411

+Neurodiversity

>> No.37352802

>>37352722
But that's exclusionary and arrogant, acting like you're better than those "filthy normies". It feels wrong to hurt a neighbor like that when you're supposed to love him.

>> No.37352834

>>37352802

I fail to see how being a proponent for individuation and diversity automatically concludes exclusion and elitism.

>>37352704

Well, the Anonymous Account and "Privacy Mode" are separate things, though with similar purposes, and their own limitations.

The best privacy requires either operating Mesh off, or using an Anonymous Account with encrypted rolling Mesh IDs through a darknet proxy of some kind, but that takes some engineering and somebody having a little Crypto.

>> No.37352917

>>37352834
>I fail to see how being a proponent for individuation and diversity automatically concludes exclusion and elitism

It's human fucking nature. Me and my own are us, everyone else is them, and us and them are always opposed. It's been this way since humans were less human.

>> No.37352928

>>37352834
>Well, the Anonymous Account and "Privacy Mode" are separate things, though with similar purposes, and their own limitations.

Privacy mode has two distinct functions.
>The exact settings are adjustable, but typically involve masking their social profiles and presence to other users in the immediate vicinity, like having an unlisted phone number.

...and...

>Privacy mode can also be used to limit the use of mesh IDs and other data in access and transaction logs, applying a –30 modifier to attempts to research or track them by their online activity.

Anonymous accounts are another layer/type of protection that does the same thing (make your activity untraceable back to you) that is more reliable at hiding activity, but frequently requires money or rep with the appropriate organization, or is actively a crime in and of itself.

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>>37351209

Listen, a man has to sleep sometime.

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>>37353364

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>>37353364
>>37353402

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>>37353502

Her skin's reddish, I call that a Ruster.

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>>37353561

That's why it's in my folder labeled 'Rusters'.

This one's a pod with cyberarms, I think.

>> No.37353631

>>37350947
>Is there any place for someone like me, who wants to be friends with everyone and always do the right thing?
Get back in the box, TIMMY.

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>>37353599

Oh yeah, putting that in with my Security Pods. Got a few of those.

>> No.37353666

>>37351201
Your mother displays trivially predictable behaviour regardless of inputs.

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>>37353644

Yep. (Also whatever that monster in the background is, it's about to have a BLAM-filled day).

Pictured: Ghost, not Fury, but either would work.

>> No.37353808

>>37353631
Nope. False positive. This one has the blood and the flesh.

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>>37353750

Don't have a lot of ghost-y images, sadly.

>> No.37353899

>>37352099
>Titanians are not capitalists.
The value form and wage labour exist. It's capitalism.

>Their economics are the same as Stalinism.
1) No, they're not. Stalinism had a centrally organised drive to the economy required to solve the chief material problem of the day (machine construction and heavy industrial production) for the survival of a single party. This was accomplished through notional matching banks.

Titan has a plurality of parties. It is solving a completely different technical problem (physically instantiating a new proletariat). There is no central thrust to the plan due to a diversity of power sources. It is hard to tell if there's a plan at all since there's a market in capital investment that directs the multiple bank notional investment credits.

2) Both Titan, and Stalinism, above have the value form and wage labour: they're both capitalism.

>> No.37353958

>>37353899

>an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Eat dicks definitionfag.

There's no need for such meaningless quibbling here. It serves no purpose.

>> No.37353972

>>37352411
Didn't we make a +autistic argonaut hab faction the other week? They were moderately successful specialist coders and looked after their community members who couldn't code.

In eclipse phase, difference is the only selling point that any individual can make. There's a reason that "flats" are called "flats": normality is a pejorative.

Also, as far as your problems go, instead of the ones you seem to be RPing in thread, talk to a medical or semi-medical professional about them.

>> No.37354047

>>37353808
>Nope. False positive. This one has the blood and the flesh.
A transhuman, displaying empathy? How unusual. Only AGI tend to do that as a preemptive defence mechanism against Boxers.

>> No.37354117

>>37353958
>Eat dicks definitionfag.
>There's no need for such meaningless quibbling here. It serves no purpose.

It serves a real fucking purpose numbnodes. People think Titan is a bright and shiny future. It is as bright and shiny as Sweden now, or Moscow in 1933. Walk a couple of hundred kilometres from Moscow and you'll see children starving in one of the world's then best agricultural districts. It doesn't take too far down a back alley to find Titan's poor and suffering masses, denied citizenship by the social contract, imported for their labour.

More than half of the alliance would regularly and publicly decry Titan for being exactly what the Morningstar are. And on good grounds. If it weren't for the Jovian navy, a shitload of anarchist tin cans would focus their effort on Titan instead of the inner system.

People say the AA are mary-sues. I say to them: read harder.

>> No.37354357

>>37354047
Dude, you sound paranoid. Just because you get off to snuff XPs of all types doesn't mean every transhuman does.

>> No.37354440

>>37354117
>It doesn't take too far down a back alley to find Titan's poor and suffering masses, denied citizenship by the social contract, imported for their labour.

I'm pretty sure anybody who works get the benefits of living on Titan. Reboot gangs are made of the people who CHOOSE not to engage in the social contract, because they don't like the idea of voting several times a week and cleaning out the space sewers to earn their rep and basic services. Titan is definitely not filled with starving children, they're too high and mighty and bleeding hearts to let that pass.

I'm also pretty sure they're not a wage labor system. You don't get paid to do your standard mandate work, that's just what you do in exchange for basic services. Kroner are not a standard monetary system, you get them for additional work put into the microcorp economy, and barring rare, semi-legal circumstances, never trade them for goods or services.

Arguments against Titan's civil service requirements are a different matter, but that has to do with the the AA's cross-factional hypocrisy about the difference between indenture contracts and communal or collective-based labor requirements under "from each too each". Requirement to do government work, possibly military, in order to get your daily bread and voting representation is NOT all that different from requiring someone to perform a work period to pay off the monetary cost of their body during which their freedoms are restricted.

>> No.37354455

>>37344776
>>37344720
>>37344700
wtf is all this gibberish?

The second are space amish or something, the third are some gender focused group? What the hell is going on with that first one?

>> No.37354587

>>37354440
>You don't get paid to do your standard mandate work, that's just what you do in exchange for basic services.

What is "the truck system"?

>Requirement to do government work, possibly military, in order to get your daily bread and voting representation is NOT all that different from requiring someone to perform a work period to pay off the monetary cost of their body during which their freedoms are restricted.

You mean it's alienated wage labour? Thanks for demonstrating my point that Titan is just as capitalist as Morningstar or PC.

>> No.37354674

>>37354455
That first one is what it is like to be inside the head of the sharp point of space amish militia.

>> No.37354678

>>37354587

>What is "the truck system"?

I don't know asshole, you're the one trying to prove a point here, how about you actually try and prove it rather than just throw terms around and have a dictionary make your argument for you.

>You mean it's alienated wage labour? Thanks for demonstrating my point that Titan is just as capitalist as Morningstar or PC.

Still not seeing how Titan has privately owned, for profit industry, rather than a state-controlled system.

All I'm getting from your end is that apparently everything is capitalism. The Anarchist collectives have basically the same system of getting people to do things that need doing as Titan, only everything is based on the community rather than in anything resembling a hierarchical state. They're both inside the reputation economy for non-vital goods and services.

>> No.37354753

>>37354678
You don't seem to know much about economics. The central criteria of wage labour is compulsion to offer labour for means of subsistence. Whether paid in cash (preferred by workers) or truck (ie: commodities other than money), whether "free" or "indentured" or "imprisoned" or "enslaved" makes no difference to it being waged labour.

Waged labour as the dominant mode of labour, combined with circulation of the value form, are the key analytical criteria for capitalism. Not "private ownership."

That Titan produces for profit is demonstrable by the existence of the Kroner system, which only expresses profit.

The reputation system, of course, is entirely non-compulsory. Zero rep individuals still get fed. And access to productive materials isn't based on an accumulated and self-expanding value.

>> No.37354952

>>37354753
>Zero rep individuals still get fed

Do they though?

Keeping in mind, that actually negate your point, Titan has the same system to handle its economics. Kroner is like voting into plurality-owned business with "money". You pledge the monopoly money, the microcorp can move that around to other microcorps to get... stuff. The exact limitations of the kroner are unspecified.

To use an analogy, you don't go down to the coffee shop, throw some Kroner on the counter, and get coffee. But, if the coffee shop is trying to expand to another location, or build a newer model of maker, you might throw some Kroner in to "vote" that you think the business should expand.

>And access to productive materials isn't based on an accumulated and self-expanding value.

You may have to further define "accumulated" and "self-expanding" value in this context, because under normal circumstances I would use those words to possibly describe the Rep system. "self" expanding might be hard, but you can still do things to accumulate more rep. The more rep you have, the easier it is to obtain non-essential materials, and thus the more production you can get done which isn't the community asking you "hey, your turn to do a shift patching the micrometeorite shield". If you have no rep, while theoretically possible to get materials, statistically it is unlikely.

And no, I probably don't know much about economics. I'm okay with this, because most of my experience with economics guys involves them regurgitating ideas of dead guys with beards bigger than theirs and then stuffing everything to fit inside that context, rather than accept some re-contextualization.

>> No.37355097

>>37354952
Pretty sure 'accumulating' and 'self-expanding' just means that you can invest it. So kroner is accumulating and self-expanding, but rep is not.

>> No.37355312

>>37355097

Well, kroner can definitely be accumulated in an investment sense. I'm not sure it self-expands, I would probably want a clearer definition of what exactly the requirements are for that adjective.

The difference between rep and say, a secured stick of ISC is that you can't really trade or exchange rep or expend it in a traditional way. If you "burn" rep on calling for a favor, that indicates you're losing favor with your social network because you're pulling from your community without putting back in in a timely manner. But other people can effectively "pay" rep by upvoting you when you do something they like, this just doesn't decrease their social "capital" or whatever you want to call it. And if you have a lower value of rep on the scale, your "buying" power is diminished, and can be basically non-existent.

The kroner is different from a stick of ISC because while it does transfer, while it is moving from microcorp to microcorp, it is not a "liquid" currency. It has a value, but that value is only in an investment context, not a direct buying one. You still don't exchange it for goods and services direct, it exists only to invest. At least as far as I understand. There's not exactly a grand essay or weighty tome on how kroner economics is supposed to work out there.

>> No.37355366

>>37355312
>There's not exactly a grand essay or weighty tome on how kroner economics is supposed to work out there.

Bukharin on state investment in the NEP.

>> No.37355435

>>37355366

Real world context works hardly count. The point is that the fiction of the setting is not elaborated on enough to know the specifics.

This means you cannot completely apply historical theory in historical context, because you don't know the exact parameters of the system in its fictitious context. Unless the fiction draws an explicit analogy, which it doesn't.

>> No.37355579

>>37355435
That's a shitty fucking hermeneutic and you know it. You can shove your tendential decontextualised reading where Stalin shoved the Soviet germans.

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>>37355579

I literally do not understand any of the words you said that were longer than 7 letters.

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>>37355618
>>37355579

I...think he's saying that it's dumb to use "but it's fiction!" to ignore obvious historical examples of how similar societies have work, like how it would be dumb to reject everything we know about how nobility and knights worked just because the setting also has manticores and stuff.

Anyway eclipse phase!

>> No.37355778

>>37355723

Well, that's fair, but at the same time, you can know all the relevant information on possible societal impact of manticores, probably.

But when you're dealing with a fictional setting which doesn't illustrate the specifics of all its elements and is also subjective, I'd say you can't just go "It's exactly like X" unless it tells you it's like X. You can't see the whole of it, so how can you be sure you're describing it with precision?

You can say that you choose (or, I guess you could do so involuntarily) interpret the data that way, that's fair game, but you can't state it's a logical objective truth.

>> No.37356029

>>37355778
Let me use fewer eight letter words.

Texts establish contexts: links between texts. These links are words, images, metaphors, characters, allegories, plots.

None of these links are fixed: language is a fluid and open ended system. Meanings are assigned during reading, not during the creation of texts.

A text can be fairly direct, "Soviet Russia in 1924 was effectively capitalism from a Marxist perspective."
A text can be moderately direct, "Titan has an implicity policy of 'don't work, don't eat,' and has a bank currency used for capital investment."
A text can be a flight of allegory, "Behind the plough he toiled for others' esteem."

Now reading texts isn't a matter of naïvely accepting a text's surface reading. It means aggressively reading meaning from a text. Like sexy wrestling, but with more broken arms.

At the end of a reading match, nobody gets to state what the logical truth is: everybody has broken some arms on the text. Generally people judge readings by two criteria: superior supportability (fewest broken arms) or superior novelty (higher sexiness). Generally a balance between sexiness and lack of maiming is desired.

In the case of Titan, much as in the case of the general misreading of Jove, you probably lack the context of the history of societies other than private finance capitalism. The metaphors are bleedingly obvious for anyone who's read the NEP period of the Soviet Union.

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>>37356029
8.5/10, explains in clear English with use appropriate metaphor. This is the best thing to come out of this thread so far, other than some of the Furies and the MEC pic.

Sorry, man. Priorities.

>> No.37356269

>>37356199
Glad to be of help.

>> No.37356296

>>37356029
>It means aggressively reading meaning from a text.

See, I've never been a fan of this style of interpretations, because you can force or perceive ANY kind of conclusion from a text if you look hard enough. If you try hard enough, your brain will find the links you need to make your point. Humans do have a lot of comparison to them, this forms the concepts of allegory and applicability in writing.

The quintessential example of "applicability" is the Lord of the Rings. If you listen to Tolkien, LoTR is not an explicit allegory for anything, but rather written to have broad "applicability" to be an implicit allegory for just about everything, because you can re-contextualize it however and find it matches something you're looking for. It is and isn't those things. Blah, blah death of the author, blah. This was Tolkein's response when people questioned him on their readings of the matter. We can still accept an author's commentary on your commentary as much as anything, right?

Your use of judging criteria helps roll back a little from this risk (the "everybody is Jesus in Purgatory" problem), but still doesn't eliminate them completely. You can still force whatever case you like, the other guy just has to force his harder.

>None of these links are fixed: language is a fluid and open ended system.

I like that you use this explanation, when part of my own argument (even if not elucidated as well) is that we are dealing with a fictional context in set the future, where definition and categorization will be different. And has been observed to be, given how "Anarchist" is used in the setting. But no, we can totally slide back and use a historical predefined definition.

>> No.37356428

>>37356296
>See, I've never been a fan of this style of interpretations, because you can force or perceive ANY kind of conclusion from a text if you look hard enough. If you try hard enough, your brain will find the links you need to make your point. Humans do have a lot of comparison to them, this forms the concepts of allegory and applicability in writing.

Broken arms mate. You cause a contradiction in the text and your reading becomes less and less supportable with every contradiction. You pick difficult to support contextual links and your reading becomes less and less supportable.

>We can still accept an author's commentary on your commentary as much as anything, right?

It has equal weight with whatever Derrida shat out in his career: none at all, unless the argument is supported with evidence from the text. So why call them an "author" when the only value of their critique is the critical apparatus they bring and their evidence from the text and contexts.

>but still doesn't eliminate them completely. You can still force whatever case you like, the other guy just has to force his harder.

Science is completely arbitrary. You can force proof with "evidence" the other guy just has to "evidence" harder. (Feyerabend, Against Method).

>> No.37356536

>>37356296
>>37356029

>Titan has an implicit policy of 'don't work, don't eat,'

This has not been demonstrated. Given the context of Titan being stated to utilize the Rep economy, with their microcorp system supplemented by Kroner, if people in other rep economy situations don't follow 'don't work, don't eat,' then there's not a solid leap to say Titan does the same.

If they do, then by definition there must be a large volume of people under 25 who count as minors and barring special exception cannot work as part of the Commonwealth's social contract who are not eating. The Civil Rights covered by the majority and civil service to the plurality seem concerned with voting rights and potentially participation in the kroner system. Basic human rights are not denied anymore than in Locus.

>The metaphors are bleedingly obvious for anyone who's read the NEP period of the Soviet Union.

Well, I'd question if the author if the titan sections in Rimward (who was probably a freelancer, if not several freelancers) had such knowledge. Can we still call it a metaphor for something when the original creator was not largely aware of the circumstances? It may be concurrent, true, as noted with that "applicability" above, but it doesn't seem right to me to go "Oh, this relationship is incredibly obvious in the context of me knowing this stuff, even if the author(s) didn't know that stuff". There should be a more applicable way to phrase it.

That being said, I do thank you for actually phrasing your arguments in a way I can understand without taking a couple of Economics or Political Science courses. I do not completely accept your argument, but I can understand your interpretation. Of course, being Eclipse Phase, that may not mean much. It's like trying to say what the ETI is.

>> No.37356559

>>37356428
>So why call them an "author" when the only value of their critique is the critical apparatus they bring and their evidence from the text and contexts.

See, all I get out of this is "I can say you said whatever I like, assuming I feel like jumping through the hoops to say the "text" says so". Which really doesn't help people make arguments.

If I wanted to expend the time and effort, I could recontextualize that you're arguing that Titan is run by pink unicorns from dimension-X, who consume the souls of crying children, just because they can.

Though who knows, that might be true.

>> No.37356704

>>37356559
>If I wanted to expend the time and effort, I could recontextualize that you're arguing that Titan is run by pink unicorns from dimension-X, who consume the souls of crying children, just because they can.

And your recontextualisation would be so hostile to the original text that it could be discarded. It would enter the world of plausibility if you removed dimension-X and subsituted "exurgents" for "they can," but other more supportable readings with equivalent or better novelty would still exist.

By the way, a classic example of reading is in Catcher in the Rye. Most people don't realise Holden was repeatedly abused by his parents even though it is on the first page.

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...how the hell does /epg/ manage to turn into /lit/ every so often, while also swooning over jovian waifus and..and...

Anyway, new topic! One thing that's been going through my head is how transhumanism and anarchy mesh - that the reason anarchy works in EP is largely because human nature has changed radically. Transhumans are just plain more intelligent than unmodified humans, more capable of focus and attention, and have the ability directly modify their brain structures (to, for example, be less lazy and enjoy working, or to get along with others better). That transhumans are smarter than humans makes them harder to baffle with bullshit, and easier to draw together to solve collective action problems. Social structures designed for leading humans around don't work when the entire population is something that's not all the way human.

>machine hunter pic because reasons.

>> No.37357178

>>37357091
The main reason why anarchy "works" in EP is because the devs are ancoms themselves.

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>>37355618

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>>37357178

You momma an ancom.

>> No.37357492

>>37357091

I don't think it's anything to do with human nature changing. I think the single reason anarcho-communism (or whatever it is) works in the setting is the lack of resource scarcity. The main reason communism tends to fail in real life is because people's natural greedy nature surfaces, creating an uneven distribution of resources. Poverty is a natural result of the uneven distribution of resources. When those resources are functionally infinite, their distribution ceases to become a problem and poverty is removed, which removes the biggest problem with communist societies - human greed.

Tying your ability to acquire wealth into social dynamics is also one of big factors, since it piggybacks on the human need for approval. By engineering the system so approval is necessary for wealth, you remove the thing humans do where we fuck other people over for our own gain, because the system is designed so that the only way to improve your standing is to help other people.

That said, I think the depiction of anarchist habs in the setting is pretty one-dimensional. They need some flaws. Right now they're political Mary Sues. Maybe something like gaming social networks for reputation. Or riding on fame for rep even though you produce nothing and contribute nothing, like an anarchist Paris Hilton. Given how nuanced a lot of the rest of the setting's politics are, the anarchist habs are just boring.

>> No.37357558

>>37357492
You sound combative. Have you considered serving Our Father with a sword?

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>>37357294
>Fury
>Obviously Guard with the synth mask removed.

>>37357178
*BLAM*

I just shot the author. They're dead. You're next if you keep this up.

>>37357492
Except resource scarcity is still a thing; there's more resources, sure, and a lot of labor can be automated - but it's still a thing. Anarchist societies use rep as a mechanism to prevent people from taking more than their 'share' of resources.

>> No.37357730

>>37357584

The only resources that are scarce are biomorphs. Everything else can be made by fabbers or makers, and the raw materials are abundant. Mine one asteroid and you've got more iron and gold than the human race has ever mined on Earth. Mine one comet and you've got more water than you'd need for a century.

Resource scarcity is a thing in the inner system, sure, but it's artificial scarcity. Traditional economic systems are predicated upon the idea that resources have value because they are finite, so the only way a system like that can survive when that assumption is wrong is by artificially limiting supply. The inner system does that because they're conservative, and the progressives who don't think its a good idea have gone elsewhere.

>> No.37357816

>>37357584
>Anarchist societies use rep as a mechanism to prevent people from taking more than their 'share' of resources.

Limited desires constrain the use of material resources much more than rep. Most people don't have to live in a can, but they choose to. Probably because they want to limit the number of people who know about their magical realm.

Rep is far more important, not to obtain "social resources," but to determine if people would casually do things for you. Most rep isn't "burnt," but rather people will just make way for each other on issues of social desire based on rep. Burning rep is another matter: nobody wants to be the gal who called in all her favours unless she needed to.

Finally, in relation to rep economies, rep isn't bankable. Maintaining a rep is about a continuous social engagement. If you disappear for months or years you'll find your rep is minimal. Everyone might know the names of long frozen physicists. You might even give one free beer and a blow job. But they're unlikely to get preferential access to the collider. Their rep went stale.

>> No.37357987

>>37357584

>Obviously Guard with the synth mask removed.

It says "exosuit mobile unit" on the arm. I'd argue that's a low-impact exosuit or mobility suit rather than the exterior "skin" of the morph. Not every exoskeleton is a hyperdense or a battlesuit.

>I just shot the author. They're dead. You're next if you keep this up.

Waggling "waa, the devs are ancoms" around does also have the flaw that for the most part they just do, like, the high level stuff. The brunt of the writing is done by multiple freelancers than edited and organized by Posthuman.

>> No.37357998

>>37357730
>>37357816
>Resource scarcity is a thing in the inner system, sure, but it's artificial scarcity.
This is incorrect. Economics doesn't work that. If there's a lot of something (ie, there's a high supply), then its price decreases. Even if you 'have' more raw materials than you know what to do with, you need someone to turn those raw materials into something you can use. If that process is long and difficult, the price is high; if it's quick and easy, the price is low. Possibly so low we might call it pocket change or negliable cost, but of course averaged out over thousands or millions of people those trivial costs become worth enough it to become worth it to me to go do that stuff in the first place to supply everyone with low-cost goods.

But more to the point, I was *not talking about rep*. I was talking about anarchism. There are anarchocapitalists who use money.

>> No.37358135

>>37357998
>[capitalism is universal and ahistorical]
>[I can't handle limits approaching zero correctly]

You know, I'm talking to you, now, for free. On a website, run by hot pockets. Your approach to zero-price commodities and non-commodities is pathetically naïve.

>There are anarchocaps who use money.
They also use rep. Their economy is also pretty much a toy economy like hinterland colonial North America.

You might enjoy Graeber on Debt actually.

>> No.37358607
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>>37357091
Fuck I love the machine hunter. Out of all the art they could have replaced in the Morph Recognition Guide, why did they pick the Theseus?

>> No.37359333

>>37358607

No idea. It and the use of the male Rusters and Ghosts was basically the shittiest decision.

I mean, they don't even like how the Alpiner turned out, but they didn't fix it, but they replaces or didn't use the better art for some morphs.

>> No.37359657

>>37357091
>>37357492

I think both of you are on to something there, but personally the success of the autonomists comes down to 3 things.

First, the panopticon. I remember reading about an real anarchist commune, where some guy whose job was to shovel dirt for a reason or another. The first thing in the morning he did when got to his job was to break his shovel and then go lie down under a tree, he did that every morning. In the evening he took his shovel and showed it to the quartermaster and was given new shovel, he did that every evening. The commune didn't last a year.

In a panopticon shit like that won't fly, you will get found out and you face censure in form of rep loss. Also, gaming the rep system in panopticon is a losing proposition, you are going to be found out when, rather than if. So if you want to criticize anarchist lifestyle, consider that their society cannot function if anyone has any form of privacy. How's that for a downside?

Second, the massive automation in the setting. From what I have gathered, any modern hab can maintain itself with minimal transhuman intervention, and it doesn't stop there, it seems that just about all physical and most of the mental labor is automated. This means that shoveling dirt is a job for robots, and that no one is forced to do jobs that are necessary but are dull, dirty or dangerous. Incidentally, I think that this is why the Jovian habs are so shitty to live in, they only have the bare minimum of automation and are forced to rely on transhuman labor.

Obviously the extensive automation is going to be computer driven, so any wise autonomist habitat should invest in robust cyber-security measures.

>> No.37359684

>>37359657

And third, because for as long as AA exists autonomist habs won't operate in a vacuum. For example; Some autonomist hab in the main belt has a shitty reactor that can't supply enough power for their industrial fabbers and their non-stop partying at the same time. If they were completely stand-alone they would simply be fucked, and this is where AA comes in. First, they are going to need experts to design or at least adapt an open-source reactor for their needs. Why would any expert help them? Because they get @-rep from it to use on other favors.

Now that the hab a design for their new reactor and are ready begin the installation but they need and temporary power source to keep the lights on during the installation. They put out an call for help and a nearby ship volunteers it's reactor. Why would the ship do that? Because the ships crew get @-rep from it to use on other favors.

After the installation, a call comes in from a nearby hab that need graphite plates for radiation shielding. And it just happens that the first hab has just the feedstock for those, and with the new reactor they can fab the plates without disturbing the perma-party. The hab begins fabbing and the ship again volunteers to transport the plates. But why would they do that? All together now; Because they get @-rep from it to use on other favors. And this just goes on and on and on.

So the TL;DR version is that the AA provides an robust communication platform to smooth out any problems that are too big for individual habs to deal with.

Also, since when has the posting delay been 1 minute?

>> No.37360103
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Sometimes, I wonder if the voices I hear are real when I touch someone. Why is it that people are afraid? I just want to hold them close and listen.

>> No.37360146

>>37360103
Humans like to breathe air, TIMMY, not chlorine.

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>>37360146

But I'm in a biomorph! Wait, AGI can sleeve in biomorphs, can't they? Fuck.

>> No.37360490

>>37360189
They can, but it's a very strange experience, suddenly having biological urges
On the plus side, you get to experience masturbation for the first time!

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>>37360490

That sounds wonderful.

>> No.37360527

>>37359657

>consider that their society cannot function if anyone has any form of privacy. How's that for a downside?

Well, the important question to ask yourself is this:

What purpose does privacy serve?

Do you gain anything from keeping personal information private? I've observed my own behaviour on social networking sites, where a lot of my friends lay bare the details of their life. They are wilfully announcing what would once have been private information. The vast majority of the time, I don't give a shit about what they're saying. It's inane. It's their day-to-day life. They are losing nothing but gaining the ability to have people understand the context of their life, should it become necessary. There's no downside, since people who dislike them ignore it and people who like them use that information in a way that benefits them.

The concept of privacy for anything less than criminal or embarrassing information is pointless (though I would argue to make a distinction here between privacy and secrecy - covering up a murder or hiding your fetish for anime girls with dicks is secrecy rather than privacy). Privacy is an outdated concept that has already begun its slow death. Who gives a fuck if someone looks at my internet history? 99.99% of it is gonna be inane shit like checking Facebook, Reddit and emails.

>> No.37360560

>>37360527

I don't share a lot of my private life with others, even on social media outside of anonymous interaction on places like this, because sharing that information can lose me my job, get me killed, etc.

>> No.37360629

>>37360560

You work for the CIA or something?

>> No.37360702

>>37360527
>reddit
Well—there are things you SHOULD be ashamed of after all.

>> No.37360711

>>37360629
No, but I'm a big guy

>> No.37360838

>>37360629

No, but I did know a few who did. But that's not the reason. My kind are not well received here, doctors and emergency workers are allowed to let us die. It's legal in everything but letter to murder me (people get away with it all the time), and people whom I thought were friends have voiced such things to me and my friends behind closed doors before.

I also have some opinions and ideas that would get picked up by the NSA if voiced anywhere online.

Intersexed woman who shows up here from time to time.

>> No.37360961

>>37360838
Social crimes of the mind are generally more important than social crimes of the body in eclipse phase. Exsurgency is pretty much the only biological crime outside of Jovian space.

>> No.37360989

>>37360838

You see, this is where I was drawing a distinction between privacy and secrecy. Privacy is not telling people what stores you shop at, or where you're going for lunch, or what you thought of that film. Privacy is keeping the mundane things you do locked away from other people, despite it having no bearing on their lives and making little to no difference to yours. Secrecy is hiding information that would cause you embarrassment, harassment or harm if they were known.

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>>37360989
>Getting rid of privacy is ok because I'll just take all the positive things associated with privacy and attach them to some other word

>> No.37361111

>>37361086
>privacy is valuable because of all the things I have to hide because society tells me I have to be ashamed of them

>> No.37361152

>>37361111
And an anarchist society will never tell someone to be ashamed of anything?

>> No.37361191

>>37361152

It has nothing to do with anarchism, anon. ALL of the major habs are like that. It's called the Panopticon.

>> No.37361246

>>37361152

Either you're doing something shameful and it will be known orit won't be shameful because it turns out it's common once everyone knows. Secrets enable persecution by making what's hidden inherently uncommon and making people ignorant of eachother.

>> No.37361296

>>37360989
>>37361086
>>37361111
>>37361152

I actually use a method of obscuring information about myself. Be open about almost everything, and be willing to divulge possibly private information to deflect from the really important information.

Basically, the illusion of being open and lacking privacy disguises the fact that I am a very, very guarded person. It's a mask. Sorta like a canary trap.

>> No.37361308

>>37361246
What if I just don't like people knowing things about me?

>> No.37361357

>>37361308

>What if I just don't like using computers?

>> No.37361359

>>37361308
You probably go crazy and isolate infolife, single body can in AA space, permanent self-inflicted death, psychosurgery, or spend a lot of time renting "quiet rooms."

>> No.37361368

>>37361308
Why do you think that is? Do you think you just popped out of your mom as a 'secretive person'?

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>>37361191
>all major habs allow every citizen to spy on every other citizen
Not all of them

>> No.37361760
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Are their PMCs outside of the Consortium? IIRC that only two major PMCs are Medusa and DA. And all we seem to hear DA are how evil they are.

>> No.37361791

>>37361734
Everything is forbidden, except for the forbidders.

>> No.37361822

>>37361760
People's militia cooperatives? Sure.

>> No.37361833

Technological ubiquity does serve as a very good set-up for a lot of the functions of EP. Especially when you're in a society that is pro Open Source, Transparency and don't have a lot of "property" protection to do, hence no concerns about artificial scarcity via IP/Copy protection.

Ubiquity of surveillance helps limit the risk/reward of socially unacceptable or criminal behavior. You can put cheap sensors in everything, and if people lifelog, citizens effectively become surveillance. And this doesn't hold a lot of the same "abuse of power" connotations in most of the AA because it's individual members of the community all watching each-other.

Ubiquity of automation, both in the form of AI and robot drones increases productivity, and reduces the make-work for transhumans. Average Autonomist citizen has to work about four hours a week. Presumably this is on administrative or oversight tasks, specialized or detailed technical tasks (which are beyond AI), or tasks which are so menial, it wraps around to asking humans to volunteer for them. ("All our drones are busy with hab-critical tasks. Who wants to draw straws to have to replace the water reclamation filters?")

Ubiquity of production, in the form of public-access fabricators and blueprints, removes resource inequality. If your hab has enough raw materials to survive at all, there should be sufficient for the public systems to build whatever, food, clothes, tools, etc you need to function, and with a decent amount left over for raw materials use in whatever personal pursuits you have.

Problems in the AA specifically arise when this ubiquity breaks down. You don't have enough drones, or don't manage them well. You don't intake the baseline resources you need. People don't pull their weight on what little tasks they "have" to do and don't get called out on it in time.

>> No.37361837

>>37361734

>all major habs
>major habs
>major

Stay irrelevant, juntafags.

>> No.37361896

>>37361760

Medusa's not a Consortium PMC, for one, that's the private security arm of Gorgon who are an Extropian corp. The Ultimates started and still by-and-large function as a large PMC corp, but with a large scale sociopolitical and scientific back-end. There are multiple smaller security institutions, like Red Zone (ex Russian military) in Orbit or Herzog on Mars. They report to the PC but aren't holders in the hypercorp council.

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>>37341161
Furies are kind of stupid. Testosterone makes you better at everything related to combat and the male frame is better suited for strenuous physical activity.

>> No.37362288

>>37362089
>the male frame is better suited for strenuous physical activity.
I'm sure super transhuman magic could make the female frame competitive.

Also,
>implying that furies aren't female only because angry amazons are hot

>> No.37362387

>>37362089
>>37362288
So Major Kusanagi might not be sleeved in a biomorph, but she'd pretty much be the archtypical fury otherwise.

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>>37362387

Well, in EP, the Major is probably more of an example of a good quality Guard Morph. Masked synth which looks like a completely normal transhuman, but is actually a combat-spec killing machine.

>> No.37362582

>>37362288
It's a structural issue. Why not just apply the same super transhuman magic to a male frame?

Disclaimer: I'm not an MRA, but as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts (wrestling and later MMA) and a non-moron I'm acutely aware that men are more suited to combat.

>> No.37362705

>>37362582

There aren't many actual skeletal advantages, specifically. Muscular, yes. Skeletal, no.

>> No.37362746

>>37362582
It comes off as pretty MRA. Particularly your reduction of war to, what I assume, are perfunctory melee instances of combat.

>> No.37362779

>>37362582

Well, bascially, here's how it works.

With Furies, the combat implants, geneline selection and hormonal balance means if you put it in a standard male configuration, you're likely to get enormous assholes who are really alpha and prone to confrontation, and basically not suitable for any normal combat scenario other than just being that huge guy at the bar who says "come at me bro".

The cheapest solutions for the morph manufacturer is to set them to female for a more optimized endocrine balance, and turn it into a marketing thing. "Hire a hot chick who can kick everyone in the room's ass today". You can produce a male fury, this just requires additional workarounds, in the form selection for traits which lead to cooperative or pack-like mentalities. Which doesn't help unless you've got a bit of a batch order.

>>37362705

And considering the Fury has +10 SOM, while enhanced muscles gives you +5, the morph by default compensates.

>> No.37362783

>>37362746

Exactly. Besides. Women are actually better shots. The majority of snipers in WWII were women for a reason.

>> No.37362794

>>37362705
You mean aside from broader frames, higher bone matrix density, longer limbs, etc?

And we're not even touching hormones yet.

>> No.37362799

>>37362582
It's based on Thirteen/Black Man by Richard K. Morgan. All the world governments made dumb super soldier programs that eventually went awry because they only used males, who inevitably went off the reservation due to excess testosterone. The only one able to stay under the radar and avoid capture was the lone female super soldier

>> No.37362814

>>37362779

>The cheapest solutions for the morph manufacturer is to set them to female for a more optimized endocrine balance, and turn it into a marketing thing.

This. It's not that there aren't male furies. They're just more expensive and not common.

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>>37362783
>The majority of snipers in WWII were women

>> No.37362885

>>37362799

Also, that. +80% of everything in EP is a reference to another form of sci-fi.

>>37362794

I think you have insufficiently grasped the extent and relative ease of body adjustment in EP.

Splicers are like, 6'2 on average, and women are probably no longer shorter on average than men.

>> No.37362886

>>37361896
Doesn't Herzog exist purely because the Consortium didn't want to farm the Pathfinder City contract out to DA?
That's the impression I was under anyway

>> No.37362899

>>37362794

>broader frames

Only on the torso, and this isn't as important as you would think. It's more about muscle protein efficiency than anything.

>higher bone matrix density

Myth.

>longer limbs

Also myth. This comes about from most female growth plates fusing sooner as testosterone levels raise sooner in female puberty than in males. Basically, HGH levels spike in males and females around the age of 8~10. But testosterone does not spike in males until 12~13, when it spikes around 9~12 in females.

Testosterone is responsible for fusing bone growth plates. It's why intersex people who have low testosterone, or do not react to it, are always freakishly tall.

Learn your biology before you go running your mouth.

>> No.37362925

>>37362779
>With Furies, the combat implants, geneline selection and hormonal balance means if you put it in a standard male configuration, you're likely to get enormous assholes who are really alpha and prone to confrontation, and basically not suitable for any normal combat scenario other than just being that huge guy at the bar who says "come at me bro".

Guess what, that's 70% of the enlisted men in any military. Have you ever actually met and talked to soldiers?


>>37362783
No they're not. Pre-natal exposure to androgenic hormones lead to increased spatial intelligence.

Spatial intelligence means stuff like visualizing 3D spaces, calculating distance and velocity, et cetera.

>>37362746
I forgot to mention the endurance needs, aggression, spatial reasoning abilities, ability to recover after intense training, you name it.

>> No.37362945

>>37362886

Possibly, but that doesn't mean that they don't hire the baddest motherfuckers on Mars.

Actually, a better way to put it is that Pathfinder hires Herzog because they're technically a neutral entity, as far as the corps are concerned. Farming it out to DA, who has like a 6% share in the Hypercorp Council, would affect the "free market" of the Gatecrashing project.

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>>37362831

It's true. During WWII, the Soviets had a sniper school that had strict requirements to graduate. Far more women graduated the school than men. But the men that did graduate tended to be far better than the girls. However, more males failed the school than not.

Around 75% of snipers were female between 1938 and 1945.

>> No.37362993

>>37362925

Ask any shooting instructor. Women are just better shots. It's because they're calmer and more methodical about it. Less machismo about the whole thing.

>> No.37363084

>>37362925

>Guess what, that's 70% of the enlisted men in any military. Have you ever actually met and talked to soldiers?

I know plenty about soldiers. EP doesn't waste highly expensive specialized equipment on people who are filling the equivalent of cannon fodder. It's a specialized combat spec usually reserved for personal protection or security needs, because that's where the demand is. Standing nationalized militaries (I/E, Titan and Jove) fill their slots with conscripts.

You're also citing a lot of benefits which are rendered ineffective or pointless at the tech level of EP, and the cost level of the Fury regardless of gendering. The Fury has the bonuses it has. +5 COO, +5 REF, +10 SOM, + 5 WIL, +5 one aptitude to your choice.

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>>37362953
>Around 75% of snipers were female between 1938 and 1945.

>> No.37363094

>>37362993
Well, you've won me over with your superior anecdote.

>> No.37363118

>>37363086

Are you going to actually attempt to refute his point or just fill the dying thread with suspicious looks?

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stop

I SAID STOP

>> No.37363158

>>37363118
Refute what? Something he read on tumblr?

>> No.37363171

>>37363084
>You're also citing a lot of benefits which are rendered ineffective or pointless at the tech level of EP, and the cost level of the Fury regardless of gendering. The Fury has the bonuses it has. +5 COO, +5 REF, +10 SOM, + 5 WIL, +5 one aptitude to your choice.

You're just citing a bunch of morph bonuses at me. If you'd care to know, most special forces people and other members of elite military/police units are pretty damn masculine too.

>> No.37363237

>>37363158

Try history books. Or a basic internet search.

This is kinda commonly known stuff in long distance shooting circles. A field I have 20 years of experience in. Girl shows up an event, don't underestimate her. She will beat you if you get cocky.

>> No.37363250

>>37363237
see
>>37363094

>> No.37363262

>>37363237
Don't bother. He's lactating coolaide from his man teat.

>> No.37363285

>>37363237
She probably will if she comes to long distance shooting circles, I've only ever shot a pistol.

But given the same time to practice and the same instruction I'm fairly certain I'd have a higher skill ceiling at the end of the day.

>> No.37363325

>>37363171
Therein lies the problem mate, you have a excessively macho culture producing excessively macho people, which then get sleeved into morphs that live on the cusp of an adrenaline rush 24 hours a day, even the less testosterone fueled female versions.
Making them male endangers the delicate chemical balance that makes the fury morph so effective, with a female morph you have a greater margin of error

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>>37363250

See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II

>The Soviet Union deployed women snipers extensively, and to great effect, including Nina Alexeyevna Lobkovskaya and Ukrainian Lyudmila Pavlichenko (who killed over 300 German soldiers). The Soviets found that sniper duties fit women well, since good snipers are patient, deliberate, have a high level of aerobic conditioning, and normally avoid hand-to-hand combat.

Basically, calm, level headed, think through the situation, don't make a ton of noise when they don't need to. Basically, really good at sneaking up on things. 90% of what a sniper does is field craft.

I can do stupid faces too. See? The face of a killer of hundreds.

>> No.37363386

>>37363325
That doesn't sound like a problem at all. In fact, if you have a problem with macho culture you probably wouldn't do very well in say, the Foreign Legion.

>> No.37363395

>>37363285

Actually, it's because female shooters tend to LISTEN to their instructor more. When it comes to guns, men tend to blow off the instructor, get all macho and hardon, and subconciously think, "I am a man who does manly things, I know what I'm doing!"

This happens a lot in a lot of things, really.

>> No.37363416

you guys get so butthurt over this shit

>> No.37363418

>>37363335
So... I make fun of you for posting anecdotes, and you respond with another anecdote?

You really convinced me with those hot opinions

>> No.37363441

>>37363386
It's not about the culture (that almost every military ever has a macho culture would seem to prove it works for making soldiers), its more about the genetic make up of the morph itself

>> No.37363507

>>37363395
Actually, I've been under athletic instruction since I was 8 years old and I'm way more coordinated than your average guy on the street. I'm pretty damn sure I can beat out some redneck housewife at the end of the day.

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>>37363418

>posts historical facts
>opinions

>> No.37363574

>>37363507

20+ year shooting experience person here. You'd be surprised at how often I hear that. Hey, who knows, you might be right, [spoilers]but statistics are against you. Sorry.[/spoiler]

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>>37363546
>posts a single anecdote
>pretends it substantiates the claim that 75 percent of snipers in WW2 were female

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This is a dumb argument.

>Furies are combat morphs. These transgenic human upgrades feature genetics tailored for endurance, strength, and reflexes, as well as behavioral modifications for aggressiveness and cunning. To offset tendencies for unruliness and macho behavior patterns, furies feature gene sequences promoting pack mentalities and cooperation, and they tend to be biologically female.

>>37363507

Pretty sure the redneck housewife isn't the text above, but that's branched into a completely different shitty argument anyway.

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>>37363578

And some supplemental material from the MRG.

Note the commentary about the Fury being the "subtle" choice for a combat spec.

>> No.37363638

>>37363574
Really, what statistics are against me? Hand to eye coordination? Give it up you fat old skeet shooter.

>>37363578
And if you put transgenic human upgrades in me I'd punk a Fury any damn day of the week.

>> No.37363687

>>37363638

>And if you put transgenic human upgrades in me I'd punk a Fury any damn day of the week.

Giving you enough of a complete transgenic overhaul to match a Fury would basically require building you a new body from scratch anyway. Which would mean you're in a Fury.

Probably a macho and unruly one at that.

>> No.37363698

>>37363638

...I've been shooting since I was 7. Not that old.

And I'm a long distance shooter. Very different ball game. More like Zen archery than the frantic rush of skeet.

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new thread >>37363750

>> No.37363779

>>37363638
You're why my hab forces entrants to cast into unstacked flats. Because of the implication.

>> No.37363797

>>37363638

Honestly, you'd probably be better at skeet than anything else.

>> No.37365279

>>37341732
How does those pants even stay up

>> No.37365353

>>37365279
Superglue

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